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[Donna Marie Vincent]

Sean,

Well said!  Thank you for your $.02. 

Donna




----- Original Message ----
From: Sean Fulton <sean at gcnpublishing.com>
To: Andrew Wint <wint at socketnet.com>
Cc: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
Sent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 12:25:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+ yrs ofexp & good client references

I disagree. This wasn't a former employer complaining about a
consultant's work, this was another consultant, a competitor if you
will, stating as fact something that no one can possibly double-check.
I think it's unfair, and am surprised that, on a list dedicated to
helping consultants find jobs, you folks would not be more concerned
about it. I think this is the first time I have seen someone in a
public forum accuse someone of something and not be called to provide
proof of their claims. Very puzzling.

No one knows what the job requirements were, what the client's
expectations were, or what the budget was. Did the client provide
enough time and budget to have the job done right, or did they just
say, "Get it done for next to nothing," and then when they realized the
short-sidedness of their approach, hire Ben to clean up the mess rather
than go back to the developer they low-balled and admit that they
didn't give him enough time and $$ to do the job correctly. We don't
know. Ben won't even tell the list who the client was or produce
evidence of the inferior work. So to my mind, this whole thread is
quite unfair to the developer who originally posted his availability
and should be dropped.

Finally, as you read this, please keep in mind that we are a company
that  employs people on this list, that's why I subscribe. I have
employed developers here in the US and in six other countries. I find
*no* geo-political differences in coding skills. We evaluate developers
based on samples, client references and their ability to follow
directions. I have had more than a few developers who are so focused on
developing "great code" that they completely ignore the project specs,
budget and time-lines. Those people don't last long, but people who
follow directions do.

Again, without knowing the original assignment that Sundar was given
and what went on between he and the client at that time, facts which I
doubt even Ben knows, we really can't draw any useful conclusions nor
should we try.

Just my $.02.

sean




Andrew Wint wrote: 
All he did was to provide transparency, now we are discussing
the issues. Kristina gave very valid points about the 'delivery of
crappy code' and not being able to take action because they are in
another country.  

Another point is that this why we have standards of development
practices, these standards shouldn't be compromised they can bend a bit
but not break. Sundar needs to seek them out and adhere to them.

I know it may seem harsh but it may help Sundar down the line in
his growth.  As well as protect a small struggling company, thinking
they are saving money but  falling into a trap.

Ben did a good thing.  





On Aug 9, 2008, at 10:50 AM, RDP wrote:

I'm sorry Donna, but I
disagree.
 
It's perfectly fine to
express a view about someone's work.
 
Of course we make errors
in our code, everybody does.  But you can't evaluate experience without
examining ones work.
 
And employers DO give out
this information.  Especially if an individual was let go because of
inability.
 
Finally, I'm having a
problem imagining rows of unemployed PHP coders down and out on
skid-row in cardboard boxes, homeless, because their work was
criticized.
 
Bye,
 
Rob
 
 
-----
Original Message -----
From: Donna Marie Vincent
To: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance
Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+ yrs ofexp & good client
references

It's not only unethical to publicly
disparage an individual's ability to perform a job, you could be
subject to legal action.

Have you ever made an error while performing your job duties?

Even a former employer would not give out this type of information.  Do
you want to be responsible for someone not getting work, and ending up
homeless on the street, because of your personal opinion about their
work, which may or may not be valid?  

This is not the same as publicly criticizing a particular product, or a
company's business practice.





--- On Sat, 8/9/08, Ben
Sgro <ben at projectskyline.com> wrote:

From:
Ben Sgro <ben at projectskyline.com>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-jobs] Freelance Remote PHP/MySQL gig with about 5+
yrs of exp & good client references
To: 
Cc: jobs at lists.nyphp.org
Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 2:17 AM


Hey,

I audited a site this guy built - it was full of holes - SQL injection, 
XSS, default passwords on CMS admin accounts, etc.

Also, the code was PHP4 w/HTML sprinkled all over it, cut and paste, no 
functions. No layouts, templates or
 smarty.
Basically, impossible and very time consuming to make updates.

Be sure to request some source before you work with him.

- Ben

sundar rajan wrote:
>
> Hi
 ,
>
>
> I'm a Freelance Telecommuting PHP/MySQL Programmer with about 5+ yrs 
> of experience in building web applications .
>
>
> Following are the type of small / contract jobs that I take:
> /Creating Custom scripts
> Member signup with email verification & login with session
authentication
> Dynamic PDF File generation from the database information using FPDF 
> libraries
> Command line processing of PHP scripts
> Installing CAPTCHA security code for the forms
> Google Maps <http://maps.google.com/> API to display a location with

> pop-up
 info
> XML parsing to database
> CSV parsing to database
> RSS feeds using Carp
> Handling File uploads
> Generating statistics reports from the database values
> Generating Graphical reports from the database values
> Generating Excel download from the database
 values
> Working with complex queries in Mysql console
> Building application with SEO friendly URLs
> Installing MySQL , Apache , PHP , SVN , AWStats & software apps in 
> linux boxes
> /
> I can also take up bigger projects with proper specification documents 
> along with the UI/HTML prototypes.
>
>
> Checkout my online portfolio at http://www.sundarrajan.com 
> <http://www.sundarrajan.com/> to know more about my skill-set , 
> experiences , projects as
 well as client references.
>
> As a verified premier paypal member since 2005  with over 70 seller 
> reputation , I can accept paypal / credit card payments.
>
> Please do contact me for further details , if you have any jobs.
>
>
>
> -- 
> With regards,
> Sundar
> Phone: (+1) 510.455.4387
>
>
>
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