".

-- 
				- Adam

-----
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Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Sun Dec 22 11:56:25 2002
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:56:25 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Please review this: Simple localization with PHP
In-Reply-To: <200212221615.gBMGFVSt089431@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200212221615.gBMGFVSt089431@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

? (At) 11:15 -0500 22/12/02, Adam Fields ?crivait (wrote) :
>On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 09:40:19AM -0500, Emmanuel. M. Decarie wrote:
>>  ? (At) 16:03 -0500 20/12/02, Adam Fields ?crivait (wrote) :
>>  >Just another note - the source listings are completely unreadable
>>  >using Opera.
>>
>>  Hello Adam,
>>
>>  I'm not sure if you are using Opera on Windows. But the source
>>  listing at 
>>  display correctly with Win/Opera 7. What I noticed though is that
>
>I'm using Opera 6.05 on Windows, on a 1024x768 laptop screen.
>
>>  when saved to disk, the end of line of the file are jammed when
>>  viewed with Notepad and the source listing display as one very long
>>  line. I tested also with Explorer 5 which do the right thing. All my
>>  testing are done in Virtual PC running Windows 98.
>
>They're formatted correctly, just very small, and very light grey. If
>you care about this, you might want to use something other than
>"".
>
>--
>				- Adam

I'm using "" as a workaround of a CSS bug in Explorer 5 that 
doesn't recognize some font properties, but I don't remember exactly 
which ones. Also, the listing is not suppose to be grey. The listing 
is in dark blue and on  Win/Opera 7, its not small. Your the first 
one to complain about this.

The class that I use for  is this one:

.code1
{
   color: #00008B;
   font-family: monospace;
   font-size: smaller;
}

Can you set in your prefs in Opera the minimum size of the fonts. Are 
other seeing what Adam is seeing.

I'm not a designer by profession and just recently learned CSS.

Cheers
-Emmanuel

-- 
______________________________________________________________________
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Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript - XML  

From amiller at hollywood101.com  Sun Dec 22 12:27:06 2002
From: amiller at hollywood101.com (Alan T. Miller)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 09:27:06 -0800
Subject: PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
References: <200212221615.gBMGFVSt089431@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001701c2a9df$59f16a70$6e01a8c0@webdev>

I have always used PHP with either RedHat or FreeBSD. However, I am working
on a site now that is equipped with windows 2000 and IIS. I am considering
using PHP on this site and was curious to hear from anyone who has any
expereince using PHP on a reletively high traffic site on IIS.

The current site gets over 100,000 hits a day. For my own internal
development I use PHP as a CGI module and I know that eats up a lot of
resources, I don't think this would be a good option for our production
server. I know that you can run PHP on IIs as an ISAPI module but the last
time I looked into this it seemed it was still buggy and not really ready
for production.

So if you were me, what would you do and why? Of course at this point,
ditching windows is not an option. It is in the long term plan however.

Thanks in advance,
Alan

From bradley at bestweb.net  Sun Dec 22 12:48:25 2002
From: bradley at bestweb.net (Bradley Baumann)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 12:48:25 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
References: <200212221726.gBMHQmSt089778@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000601c2a9e2$54087a60$0300a8c0@prophxp>

Alan,
    Just out of pure curiosity, and utter hatred for IIS...why, may I ask,
are you using it? What can a Microsoft product do that FreeBSD / RedHat
can't?

  I understand if it's a client that is just picky about what is used, but I
think that it would be better in the long run to not waste time with Windows
2000 / IIS and just use something you're familiar with.

    However, I do have experience with IIS and high-load websites, there
isn't too much you can do to tweak the speed, or anything like that... It's
pretty..."bland". PHP works under Windows, and IIS just fine (not as well as
*nix, I, personally think -- but that's me)

    As for the ISAPI modules, why even use them? Why not write it all in
PHP? Personally, I think that PHP is better then perl/cgi. Let us know what
this module does, and perhaps we can help you to port it over to a PHP
script.

    What bugs are you encountering? Give us the errors, and the code -- I'll
try and help you.

Good luck.
-Bradley Baumann

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan T. Miller" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:26 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs

> I have always used PHP with either RedHat or FreeBSD. However, I am
working
> on a site now that is equipped with windows 2000 and IIS. I am considering
> using PHP on this site and was curious to hear from anyone who has any
> expereince using PHP on a reletively high traffic site on IIS.
>
> The current site gets over 100,000 hits a day. For my own internal
> development I use PHP as a CGI module and I know that eats up a lot of
> resources, I don't think this would be a good option for our production
> server. I know that you can run PHP on IIs as an ISAPI module but the last
> time I looked into this it seemed it was still buggy and not really ready
> for production.
>
> So if you were me, what would you do and why? Of course at this point,
> ditching windows is not an option. It is in the long term plan however.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Alan
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>

From amiller at hollywood101.com  Sun Dec 22 14:37:59 2002
From: amiller at hollywood101.com (Alan T. Miller)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:37:59 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
References: <200212221745.gBMHjqSt089879@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001a01c2a9f1$a2787150$6e01a8c0@webdev>

>     Just out of pure curiosity, and utter hatred for IIS...why, may I ask,
> are you using it? What can a Microsoft product do that FreeBSD / RedHat
> can't?

Believe me, I am no fan of IIS but in this particular case, the site was
written in Cold Fusion, which in turn needs to run on IIs (for licensing
reasons). The real reason I am stuck with IIs for the moment is that the
site I am working on just has too much to rewrite in PHP right now. I plan
to make a transition slowly to PHP on a RedHat machine once we have all the
major site functionality rebuilt in PHP. Until then however, I want to
implement some important features on the site and begin rewriting other apps
in PHP to work alongside the Cold Fusion stuff until we are ready to make
that final move. So technically there is nothing that Windows IIs can do
that FreeBSD or Redhat can do right now except run our only licensed copy of
Cold Fusion (sucks. I know) :(

>     As for the ISAPI modules, why even use them? Why not write it all in
> PHP? Personally, I think that PHP is better then perl/cgi. Let us know
what
> this module does, and perhaps we can help you to port it over to a PHP
> script.

What I am referring to here is that it is my understanding there are two
ways to install PHP on windows with IIs. You can run it as a CGI, that is to
map the .php files to execute the php.exe file, or map the .php files to
execute the /sapi/php4isapi.dll file. With the former, you load the whole
php.exe executable on every invocation on PHP, with the other PHP runs as a
module in the server memory. I remeber a while ago, the module was not all
that stable and was not reccomended for production systems. I was hoping to
find out if that is still the case, and if anyone had any luck doing so on a
busy server (100,000 hits a day).

Thanks,
Alan

>
>     What bugs are you encountering? Give us the errors, and the code --
I'll
> try and help you.
>
> Good luck.
> -Bradley Baumann
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan T. Miller" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:26 PM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> > I have always used PHP with either RedHat or FreeBSD. However, I am
> working
> > on a site now that is equipped with windows 2000 and IIS. I am
considering
> > using PHP on this site and was curious to hear from anyone who has any
> > expereince using PHP on a reletively high traffic site on IIS.
> >
> > The current site gets over 100,000 hits a day. For my own internal
> > development I use PHP as a CGI module and I know that eats up a lot of
> > resources, I don't think this would be a good option for our production
> > server. I know that you can run PHP on IIs as an ISAPI module but the
last
> > time I looked into this it seemed it was still buggy and not really
ready
> > for production.
> >
> > So if you were me, what would you do and why? Of course at this point,
> > ditching windows is not an option. It is in the long term plan however.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>

From amiller at hollywood101.com  Sun Dec 22 14:38:03 2002
From: amiller at hollywood101.com (Alan T. Miller)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:38:03 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
References: <200212221745.gBMHjqSt089879@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001b01c2a9f1$a4a7ad60$6e01a8c0@webdev>

>     Just out of pure curiosity, and utter hatred for IIS...why, may I ask,
> are you using it? What can a Microsoft product do that FreeBSD / RedHat
> can't?

Believe me, I am no fan of IIS but in this particular case, the site was
written in Cold Fusion, which in turn needs to run on IIs (for licensing
reasons). The real reason I am stuck with IIs for the moment is that the
site I am working on just has too much to rewrite in PHP right now. I plan
to make a transition slowly to PHP on a RedHat machine once we have all the
major site functionality rebuilt in PHP. Until then however, I want to
implement some important features on the site and begin rewriting other apps
in PHP to work alongside the Cold Fusion stuff until we are ready to make
that final move. So technically there is nothing that Windows IIs can do
that FreeBSD or Redhat can do right now except run our only licensed copy of
Cold Fusion (sucks. I know) :(

>     As for the ISAPI modules, why even use them? Why not write it all in
> PHP? Personally, I think that PHP is better then perl/cgi. Let us know
what
> this module does, and perhaps we can help you to port it over to a PHP
> script.

What I am referring to here is that it is my understanding there are two
ways to install PHP on windows with IIs. You can run it as a CGI, that is to
map the .php files to execute the php.exe file, or map the .php files to
execute the /sapi/php4isapi.dll file. With the former, you load the whole
php.exe executable on every invocation on PHP, with the other PHP runs as a
module in the server memory. I remeber a while ago, the module was not all
that stable and was not reccomended for production systems. I was hoping to
find out if that is still the case, and if anyone had any luck doing so on a
busy server (100,000 hits a day).

Thanks,
Alan

>
>     What bugs are you encountering? Give us the errors, and the code --
I'll
> try and help you.
>
> Good luck.
> -Bradley Baumann
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan T. Miller" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:26 PM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> > I have always used PHP with either RedHat or FreeBSD. However, I am
> working
> > on a site now that is equipped with windows 2000 and IIS. I am
considering
> > using PHP on this site and was curious to hear from anyone who has any
> > expereince using PHP on a reletively high traffic site on IIS.
> >
> > The current site gets over 100,000 hits a day. For my own internal
> > development I use PHP as a CGI module and I know that eats up a lot of
> > resources, I don't think this would be a good option for our production
> > server. I know that you can run PHP on IIs as an ISAPI module but the
last
> > time I looked into this it seemed it was still buggy and not really
ready
> > for production.
> >
> > So if you were me, what would you do and why? Of course at this point,
> > ditching windows is not an option. It is in the long term plan however.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>

From chun_lam at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 22 22:51:19 2002
From: chun_lam at hotmail.com (CHUN-YIU LAM)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:51:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
Message-ID: 

I tried recently install PHP, Apache 2.0.43, and Oracle client on a Window 
2000.  The site is really fast, but I still don't know how many hits it can 
support.  Maybe you can do a load testing on it and find out.

Matthew

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on a site now that is equipped with windows 2000 and IIS. I am considering
using PHP on this site and was curious to hear from anyone who has any
expereince using PHP on a reletively high traffic site on IIS.

The current site gets over 100,000 hits a day. For my own internal
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resources, I don't think this would be a good option for our production
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From chun_lam at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 22 22:56:58 2002
From: chun_lam at hotmail.com (CHUN-YIU LAM)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:56:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
Message-ID: 

Just wondering why can't you point or redirect to the resulting page on a 
system running php and redhat and versa.  This will can make the transition 
a little more smooth.

Matthew

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 >     Just out of pure curiosity, and utter hatred for IIS...why, may I 
ask,
 > are you using it? What can a Microsoft product do that FreeBSD / RedHat
 > can't?

Believe me, I am no fan of IIS but in this particular case, the site was
written in Cold Fusion, which in turn needs to run on IIs (for licensing
reasons). The real reason I am stuck with IIs for the moment is that the
site I am working on just has too much to rewrite in PHP right now. I plan
to make a transition slowly to PHP on a RedHat machine once we have all the
major site functionality rebuilt in PHP. Until then however, I want to
implement some important features on the site and begin rewriting other apps
in PHP to work alongside the Cold Fusion stuff until we are ready to make
that final move. So technically there is nothing that Windows IIs can do
that FreeBSD or Redhat can do right now except run our only licensed copy of
Cold Fusion (sucks. I know) :(

 >     As for the ISAPI modules, why even use them? Why not write it all in
 > PHP? Personally, I think that PHP is better then perl/cgi. Let us know
what
 > this module does, and perhaps we can help you to port it over to a PHP
 > script.

What I am referring to here is that it is my understanding there are two
ways to install PHP on windows with IIs. You can run it as a CGI, that is to
map the .php files to execute the php.exe file, or map the .php files to
execute the /sapi/php4isapi.dll file. With the former, you load the whole
php.exe executable on every invocation on PHP, with the other PHP runs as a
module in the server memory. I remeber a while ago, the module was not all
that stable and was not reccomended for production systems. I was hoping to
find out if that is still the case, and if anyone had any luck doing so on a
busy server (100,000 hits a day).

Thanks,
Alan

 >
 >     What bugs are you encountering? Give us the errors, and the code --
I'll
 > try and help you.
 >
 > Good luck.
 > -Bradley Baumann
 >
 > ----- Original Message -----
 > From: "Alan T. Miller" 
 > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
 > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:26 PM
 > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
 >
 >
 > > I have always used PHP with either RedHat or FreeBSD. However, I am
 > working
 > > on a site now that is equipped with windows 2000 and IIS. I am
considering
 > > using PHP on this site and was curious to hear from anyone who has any
 > > expereince using PHP on a reletively high traffic site on IIS.
 > >
 > > The current site gets over 100,000 hits a day. For my own internal
 > > development I use PHP as a CGI module and I know that eats up a lot of
 > > resources, I don't think this would be a good option for our production
 > > server. I know that you can run PHP on IIs as an ISAPI module but the
last
 > > time I looked into this it seemed it was still buggy and not really
ready
 > > for production.
 > >
 > > So if you were me, what would you do and why? Of course at this point,
 > > ditching windows is not an option. It is in the long term plan however.
 > >
 > > Thanks in advance,
 > > Alan
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 > >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >

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From amiller at hollywood101.com  Sun Dec 22 23:38:38 2002
From: amiller at hollywood101.com (Alan T. Miller)
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 20:38:38 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
References: <200212230357.gBN3v9St093001@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <005601c2aa3d$29bbb690$6e01a8c0@webdev>

Everything is so tighty itegrated with Cold Fusion now, Sessions and more
that make integrating the two all at once unlikely, as I am only one guy and
there is simply too much code to rewrite, yet I need to fix some things now,
which I can do faster in PHP.

The way this site is currently written, to do as you suggest would force me
to write a bunch of hokey code that I will eventually just have to toss. I
am trying to keep some of the Cold Fusion in Place that is working
relatively well, and until we are ready to make the swap alltogether to a
new server, make my additions and fixes in PHP with anticipation for that
switch.

Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to work
around some of it for now and we only have one production server at the
moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the phpisapi.dll
is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone has actually used it
in a production environment.

Thanks,
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "CHUN-YIU LAM" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs

> Just wondering why can't you point or redirect to the resulting page on a
> system running php and redhat and versa.  This will can make the
transition
> a little more smooth.
>
> Matthew
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Alan T. Miller" 
> Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> To: NYPHP Talk 
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
> Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:37:44 -0500
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>  >     Just out of pure curiosity, and utter hatred for IIS...why, may I
> ask,
>  > are you using it? What can a Microsoft product do that FreeBSD / RedHat
>  > can't?
>
> Believe me, I am no fan of IIS but in this particular case, the site was
> written in Cold Fusion, which in turn needs to run on IIs (for licensing
> reasons). The real reason I am stuck with IIs for the moment is that the
> site I am working on just has too much to rewrite in PHP right now. I plan
> to make a transition slowly to PHP on a RedHat machine once we have all
the
> major site functionality rebuilt in PHP. Until then however, I want to
> implement some important features on the site and begin rewriting other
apps
> in PHP to work alongside the Cold Fusion stuff until we are ready to make
> that final move. So technically there is nothing that Windows IIs can do
> that FreeBSD or Redhat can do right now except run our only licensed copy
of
> Cold Fusion (sucks. I know) :(
>
>
>  >     As for the ISAPI modules, why even use them? Why not write it all
in
>  > PHP? Personally, I think that PHP is better then perl/cgi. Let us know
> what
>  > this module does, and perhaps we can help you to port it over to a PHP
>  > script.
>
> What I am referring to here is that it is my understanding there are two
> ways to install PHP on windows with IIs. You can run it as a CGI, that is
to
> map the .php files to execute the php.exe file, or map the .php files to
> execute the /sapi/php4isapi.dll file. With the former, you load the whole
> php.exe executable on every invocation on PHP, with the other PHP runs as
a
> module in the server memory. I remeber a while ago, the module was not all
> that stable and was not reccomended for production systems. I was hoping
to
> find out if that is still the case, and if anyone had any luck doing so on
a
> busy server (100,000 hits a day).
>
> Thanks,
> Alan
>
>
>
>  >
>  >     What bugs are you encountering? Give us the errors, and the code --
> I'll
>  > try and help you.
>  >
>  > Good luck.
>  > -Bradley Baumann
>  >
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Alan T. Miller" 
>  > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
>  > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:26 PM
>  > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>  >
>  >
>  > > I have always used PHP with either RedHat or FreeBSD. However, I am
>  > working
>  > > on a site now that is equipped with windows 2000 and IIS. I am
> considering
>  > > using PHP on this site and was curious to hear from anyone who has
any
>  > > expereince using PHP on a reletively high traffic site on IIS.
>  > >
>  > > The current site gets over 100,000 hits a day. For my own internal
>  > > development I use PHP as a CGI module and I know that eats up a lot
of
>  > > resources, I don't think this would be a good option for our
production
>  > > server. I know that you can run PHP on IIs as an ISAPI module but the
> last
>  > > time I looked into this it seemed it was still buggy and not really
> ready
>  > > for production.
>  > >
>  > > So if you were me, what would you do and why? Of course at this
point,
>  > > ditching windows is not an option. It is in the long term plan
however.
>  > >
>  > > Thanks in advance,
>  > > Alan
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  >
>  >
>  >
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From bradley at bestweb.net  Mon Dec 23 01:52:05 2002
From: bradley at bestweb.net (Bradley Baumann)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:52:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
References: <200212230438.gBN4cbSt093239@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001c01c2aa4f$cde52500$0300a8c0@prophxp>

It's understandable that you are hesitant to rewriting this CF code in PHP,
due to time restrictions, or what have you. But I can only foresee problems
along the line, if you try to "combine" the two, as you are now.
Especially, since "both IIS and CF will be gone", eventually. Save yourself
the trouble, and the stress. Do it the right way, the first time around.

Personal opinion.
-Brad.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan T. Miller" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs

> Everything is so tighty itegrated with Cold Fusion now, Sessions and more
> that make integrating the two all at once unlikely, as I am only one guy
and
> there is simply too much code to rewrite, yet I need to fix some things
now,
> which I can do faster in PHP.
>
> The way this site is currently written, to do as you suggest would force
me
> to write a bunch of hokey code that I will eventually just have to toss. I
> am trying to keep some of the Cold Fusion in Place that is working
> relatively well, and until we are ready to make the swap alltogether to a
> new server, make my additions and fixes in PHP with anticipation for that
> switch.
>
> Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to work
> around some of it for now and we only have one production server at the
> moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
phpisapi.dll
> is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone has actually used
it
> in a production environment.
>
> Thanks,
> Alan
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "CHUN-YIU LAM" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 7:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> > Just wondering why can't you point or redirect to the resulting page on
a
> > system running php and redhat and versa.  This will can make the
> transition
> > a little more smooth.
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "Alan T. Miller" 
> > Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> > To: NYPHP Talk 
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
> > Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:37:44 -0500
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> >  >     Just out of pure curiosity, and utter hatred for IIS...why, may I
> > ask,
> >  > are you using it? What can a Microsoft product do that FreeBSD /
RedHat
> >  > can't?
> >
> > Believe me, I am no fan of IIS but in this particular case, the site was
> > written in Cold Fusion, which in turn needs to run on IIs (for licensing
> > reasons). The real reason I am stuck with IIs for the moment is that the
> > site I am working on just has too much to rewrite in PHP right now. I
plan
> > to make a transition slowly to PHP on a RedHat machine once we have all
> the
> > major site functionality rebuilt in PHP. Until then however, I want to
> > implement some important features on the site and begin rewriting other
> apps
> > in PHP to work alongside the Cold Fusion stuff until we are ready to
make
> > that final move. So technically there is nothing that Windows IIs can do
> > that FreeBSD or Redhat can do right now except run our only licensed
copy
> of
> > Cold Fusion (sucks. I know) :(
> >
> >
> >  >     As for the ISAPI modules, why even use them? Why not write it all
> in
> >  > PHP? Personally, I think that PHP is better then perl/cgi. Let us
know
> > what
> >  > this module does, and perhaps we can help you to port it over to a
PHP
> >  > script.
> >
> > What I am referring to here is that it is my understanding there are two
> > ways to install PHP on windows with IIs. You can run it as a CGI, that
is
> to
> > map the .php files to execute the php.exe file, or map the .php files to
> > execute the /sapi/php4isapi.dll file. With the former, you load the
whole
> > php.exe executable on every invocation on PHP, with the other PHP runs
as
> a
> > module in the server memory. I remeber a while ago, the module was not
all
> > that stable and was not reccomended for production systems. I was hoping
> to
> > find out if that is still the case, and if anyone had any luck doing so
on
> a
> > busy server (100,000 hits a day).
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >  >
> >  >     What bugs are you encountering? Give us the errors, and the
code --
> > I'll
> >  > try and help you.
> >  >
> >  > Good luck.
> >  > -Bradley Baumann
> >  >
> >  > ----- Original Message -----
> >  > From: "Alan T. Miller" 
> >  > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> >  > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:26 PM
> >  > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > > I have always used PHP with either RedHat or FreeBSD. However, I am
> >  > working
> >  > > on a site now that is equipped with windows 2000 and IIS. I am
> > considering
> >  > > using PHP on this site and was curious to hear from anyone who has
> any
> >  > > expereince using PHP on a reletively high traffic site on IIS.
> >  > >
> >  > > The current site gets over 100,000 hits a day. For my own internal
> >  > > development I use PHP as a CGI module and I know that eats up a lot
> of
> >  > > resources, I don't think this would be a good option for our
> production
> >  > > server. I know that you can run PHP on IIs as an ISAPI module but
the
> > last
> >  > > time I looked into this it seemed it was still buggy and not really
> > ready
> >  > > for production.
> >  > >
> >  > > So if you were me, what would you do and why? Of course at this
> point,
> >  > > ditching windows is not an option. It is in the long term plan
> however.
> >  > >
> >  > > Thanks in advance,
> >  > > Alan
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
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From amiller at hollywood101.com  Mon Dec 23 04:13:05 2002
From: amiller at hollywood101.com (Alan T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 01:13:05 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
References: <200212230649.gBN6nSSt093923@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000c01c2aa63$8106b5a0$6e01a8c0@webdev>

No one has as much contempt for Cold Fusion and IIs than I do, but at this
point I simply do not have an option but to deal with it. I am working on a
production site that I simply cannot deconstruct overnight. There are some
pressing matters that need to be addressed, and I am working to rewrite
those parts of the site now in PHP, rewriting the rest will follow suit, and
in a few weeks, we will be moving everything over. But I was just hoping fo
some pointers to reduce the amount of problems that may come up when running
PHP on a high volume IIS server and perhaps prevent any known issues.

Believe me, I fully understand. It is not that I am hesitant to rewrite the
site, as I am doing that, I just have too much to do, and cannot wait until
I have rewritten the site before I impliment some PHP code into it.

Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bradley Baumann" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs

> It's understandable that you are hesitant to rewriting this CF code in
PHP,
> due to time restrictions, or what have you. But I can only foresee
problems
> along the line, if you try to "combine" the two, as you are now.
> Especially, since "both IIS and CF will be gone", eventually. Save
yourself
> the trouble, and the stress. Do it the right way, the first time around.
>
> Personal opinion.
> -Brad.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan T. Miller" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 11:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> > Everything is so tighty itegrated with Cold Fusion now, Sessions and
more
> > that make integrating the two all at once unlikely, as I am only one guy
> and
> > there is simply too much code to rewrite, yet I need to fix some things
> now,
> > which I can do faster in PHP.
> >
> > The way this site is currently written, to do as you suggest would force
> me
> > to write a bunch of hokey code that I will eventually just have to toss.
I
> > am trying to keep some of the Cold Fusion in Place that is working
> > relatively well, and until we are ready to make the swap alltogether to
a
> > new server, make my additions and fixes in PHP with anticipation for
that
> > switch.
> >
> > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to work
> > around some of it for now and we only have one production server at the
> > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
> phpisapi.dll
> > is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone has actually used
> it
> > in a production environment.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "CHUN-YIU LAM" 
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 7:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
> >
> >
> > > Just wondering why can't you point or redirect to the resulting page
on
> a
> > > system running php and redhat and versa.  This will can make the
> > transition
> > > a little more smooth.
> > >
> > > Matthew
> > >
> > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > From: "Alan T. Miller" 
> > > Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> > > To: NYPHP Talk 
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
> > > Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:37:44 -0500
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> > >  >     Just out of pure curiosity, and utter hatred for IIS...why, may
I
> > > ask,
> > >  > are you using it? What can a Microsoft product do that FreeBSD /
> RedHat
> > >  > can't?
> > >
> > > Believe me, I am no fan of IIS but in this particular case, the site
was
> > > written in Cold Fusion, which in turn needs to run on IIs (for
licensing
> > > reasons). The real reason I am stuck with IIs for the moment is that
the
> > > site I am working on just has too much to rewrite in PHP right now. I
> plan
> > > to make a transition slowly to PHP on a RedHat machine once we have
all
> > the
> > > major site functionality rebuilt in PHP. Until then however, I want to
> > > implement some important features on the site and begin rewriting
other
> > apps
> > > in PHP to work alongside the Cold Fusion stuff until we are ready to
> make
> > > that final move. So technically there is nothing that Windows IIs can
do
> > > that FreeBSD or Redhat can do right now except run our only licensed
> copy
> > of
> > > Cold Fusion (sucks. I know) :(
> > >
> > >
> > >  >     As for the ISAPI modules, why even use them? Why not write it
all
> > in
> > >  > PHP? Personally, I think that PHP is better then perl/cgi. Let us
> know
> > > what
> > >  > this module does, and perhaps we can help you to port it over to a
> PHP
> > >  > script.
> > >
> > > What I am referring to here is that it is my understanding there are
two
> > > ways to install PHP on windows with IIs. You can run it as a CGI, that
> is
> > to
> > > map the .php files to execute the php.exe file, or map the .php files
to
> > > execute the /sapi/php4isapi.dll file. With the former, you load the
> whole
> > > php.exe executable on every invocation on PHP, with the other PHP runs
> as
> > a
> > > module in the server memory. I remeber a while ago, the module was not
> all
> > > that stable and was not reccomended for production systems. I was
hoping
> > to
> > > find out if that is still the case, and if anyone had any luck doing
so
> on
> > a
> > > busy server (100,000 hits a day).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Alan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  >
> > >  >     What bugs are you encountering? Give us the errors, and the
> code --
> > > I'll
> > >  > try and help you.
> > >  >
> > >  > Good luck.
> > >  > -Bradley Baumann
> > >  >
> > >  > ----- Original Message -----
> > >  > From: "Alan T. Miller" 
> > >  > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> > >  > Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 12:26 PM
> > >  > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > > I have always used PHP with either RedHat or FreeBSD. However, I
am
> > >  > working
> > >  > > on a site now that is equipped with windows 2000 and IIS. I am
> > > considering
> > >  > > using PHP on this site and was curious to hear from anyone who
has
> > any
> > >  > > expereince using PHP on a reletively high traffic site on IIS.
> > >  > >
> > >  > > The current site gets over 100,000 hits a day. For my own
internal
> > >  > > development I use PHP as a CGI module and I know that eats up a
lot
> > of
> > >  > > resources, I don't think this would be a good option for our
> > production
> > >  > > server. I know that you can run PHP on IIs as an ISAPI module but
> the
> > > last
> > >  > > time I looked into this it seemed it was still buggy and not
really
> > > ready
> > >  > > for production.
> > >  > >
> > >  > > So if you were me, what would you do and why? Of course at this
> > point,
> > >  > > ditching windows is not an option. It is in the long term plan
> > however.
> > >  > >
> > >  > > Thanks in advance,
> > >  > > Alan
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  >
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From jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us  Mon Dec 23 10:09:36 2002
From: jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us (jessica kelly)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:09:36 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
Message-ID: 

> Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to work
> around some of it for now and we only have one production server at the
> moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
>phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone has actually used
>it in a production environment.

Alan,

I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win Advanced Server 2000 and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The site does not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you need to enter info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but about once a week and is frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!). 

I have been told to avoid using the module from persons on this list (Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying to get it to work as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over. 

Jessica

>

From bradley at bestweb.net  Mon Dec 23 10:42:18 2002
From: bradley at bestweb.net (Bradley Baumann)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:42:18 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
References: <200212231510.gBNFAWSt096625@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002301c2aa99$e056fa70$0300a8c0@prophxp>

I suggest running IIS and PHP on Windows 2000 Server, or Advanced Server.
There may be a couple configuration things you might want to look into...
(how many users at a time? etc, etc)
Also, you're going to want to look into MySQL's (or whatever other database
you're using) configuration, too... (again, amount of users at the same
time)...
Those are the only real obvious things I can think of, if I can come up with
anything else, I'll be sure to let you know.

Good luck.
-Brad.
----- Original Message -----
From: "jessica kelly" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs

> > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to work
> > around some of it for now and we only have one production server at the
> > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
> >phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone has
actually used
> >it in a production environment.
>
> Alan,
>
> I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win Advanced Server 2000
and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The site does
not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you need to enter
info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but about once a week and is
frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!).
>
> I have been told to avoid using the module from persons on this list
(Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying to get it to work
as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over.
>
> Jessica
>
> >
>
>
>
>
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From zala007 at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 23 10:43:59 2002
From: zala007 at hotmail.com (Anirudh Zala)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:43:59 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
Message-ID: 

Miss/Mrs. Jessiaca Kelly,

Better to use PHP and related softwares on Linux machine rather than on 
Microsoft based OSs :) ? This is like running your Ferrari car on Diesel 
rather than on Gas.

I really wonder. Hard to change everything, once set up on Window's 
environment but "Better" to move on Linux.

Thanks,

Anirudh Zala

>From: "jessica kelly" 
>Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
>To: NYPHP Talk 
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:10:32 -0500
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> > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to work
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> > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
> >phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone has 
>actually used
> >it in a production environment.
>
>Alan,
>
>I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win Advanced Server 2000 
>and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The site 
>does not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you need to 
>enter info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but about once a week 
>and is frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!).
>
>I have been told to avoid using the module from persons on this list 
>(Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying to get it to work 
>as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over.
>
>Jessica
>
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From bradley at bestweb.net  Mon Dec 23 11:07:59 2002
From: bradley at bestweb.net (Bradley Baumann)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:07:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
References: <200212231544.gBNFi9St096791@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002b01c2aa9d$768ee9a0$0300a8c0@prophxp>

Anirudh,

    That's the point we're all trying to make, but -- there _are_ situations
in which immediate attention is required, and tedious code translation
simply takes too long for it's environment.
I'm sure he's making the choice appropriate for his situation.

-Brad.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anirudh Zala" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs

> Miss/Mrs. Jessiaca Kelly,
>
> Better to use PHP and related softwares on Linux machine rather than on
> Microsoft based OSs :) ? This is like running your Ferrari car on Diesel
> rather than on Gas.
>
> I really wonder. Hard to change everything, once set up on Window's
> environment but "Better" to move on Linux.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anirudh Zala
>
> >From: "jessica kelly" 
> >Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> >To: NYPHP Talk 
> >Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
> >Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 10:10:32 -0500
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> > > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to work
> > > around some of it for now and we only have one production server at
the
> > > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
> > >phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone has
> >actually used
> > >it in a production environment.
> >
> >Alan,
> >
> >I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win Advanced Server 2000
> >and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The site
> >does not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you need to
> >enter info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but about once a
week
> >and is frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!).
> >
> >I have been told to avoid using the module from persons on this list
> >(Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying to get it to
work
> >as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over.
> >
> >Jessica
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us  Mon Dec 23 11:41:01 2002
From: jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us (jessica kelly)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:41:01 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
Message-ID: 

IIS is a four letter word as far as I'm concerned. Also everyone needs to realize that as web/PHP developers we are often stuck with what we have, not what we would rather have. If IIS didn't have such a sordid security past we would be running it here and I would have absolutely no say in the matter. I wanted to put Linux on the server and they put Advanced Server 2000 on it. I scream, yet no one hears...

The site is for a very small community college and it gets very few, if any, concurrent hits on the PHP/MySQL portion of it and I have plenty of room for multiple users config wise.

I still think that Alan should use CGI instead of the module. It is flaky.

Thank's Guys
Jessica

>>> zala007 at hotmail.com 12/23/02 10:44:09 AM >>>
Miss/Mrs. Jessiaca Kelly,

Better to use PHP and related softwares on Linux machine rather than on 
Microsoft based OSs :) ? This is like running your Ferrari car on Diesel 
rather than on Gas.I really wonder. Hard to change everything, once set up on Window's 
environment but "Better" to move on Linux.
Thanks,
Anirudh Zala
>>>
I suggest running IIS and PHP on Windows 2000 Server, or Advanced Server.
There may be a couple configuration things you might want to look into...
(how many users at a time? etc, etc)
Also, you're going to want to look into MySQL's (or whatever other database
you're using) configuration, too... (again, amount of users at the same
time)...
Those are the only real obvious things I can think of, if I can come up with
anything else, I'll be sure to let you know.
Good luck.
-Brad.

>From: "jessica kelly" 
>Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org 

>
> > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to work
> > around some of it for now and we only have one production server at the
> > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
> >phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone has 
>actually used
> >it in a production environment.
>
>Alan,
>
>I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win Advanced Server 2000 
>and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The site 
>does not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you need to 
>enter info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but about once a week 
>and is frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!).
>
>I have been told to avoid using the module from persons on this list 
>(Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying to get it to work 
>as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over.
>
>Jessica

From amiller at hollywood101.com  Mon Dec 23 11:50:17 2002
From: amiller at hollywood101.com (Alan T. Miller)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:50:17 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
References: <200212231642.gBNGg2St097099@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001501c2aaa3$5f53e500$6e01a8c0@webdev>

Thanks Jessica,

I'll be sweatin it either way :)

Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "jessica kelly" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs

> IIS is a four letter word as far as I'm concerned. Also everyone needs to
realize that as web/PHP developers we are often stuck with what we have, not
what we would rather have. If IIS didn't have such a sordid security past we
would be running it here and I would have absolutely no say in the matter. I
wanted to put Linux on the server and they put Advanced Server 2000 on it. I
scream, yet no one hears...
>
> The site is for a very small community college and it gets very few, if
any, concurrent hits on the PHP/MySQL portion of it and I have plenty of
room for multiple users config wise.
>
> I still think that Alan should use CGI instead of the module. It is flaky.
>
> Thank's Guys
> Jessica
>
> >>> zala007 at hotmail.com 12/23/02 10:44:09 AM >>>
> Miss/Mrs. Jessiaca Kelly,
>
> Better to use PHP and related softwares on Linux machine rather than on
> Microsoft based OSs :) ? This is like running your Ferrari car on Diesel
> rather than on Gas.I really wonder. Hard to change everything, once set up
on Window's
> environment but "Better" to move on Linux.
> Thanks,
> Anirudh Zala
> >>>
> I suggest running IIS and PHP on Windows 2000 Server, or Advanced Server.
> There may be a couple configuration things you might want to look into...
> (how many users at a time? etc, etc)
> Also, you're going to want to look into MySQL's (or whatever other
database
> you're using) configuration, too... (again, amount of users at the same
> time)...
> Those are the only real obvious things I can think of, if I can come up
with
> anything else, I'll be sure to let you know.
> Good luck.
> -Brad.
>
> >From: "jessica kelly" 
> >Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
>
> >
> > > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to work
> > > around some of it for now and we only have one production server at
the
> > > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
> > >phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone has
> >actually used
> > >it in a production environment.
> >
> >Alan,
> >
> >I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win Advanced Server 2000
> >and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The site
> >does not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you need to
> >enter info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but about once a
week
> >and is frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!).
> >
> >I have been told to avoid using the module from persons on this list
> >(Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying to get it to
work
> >as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over.
> >
> >Jessica
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>

From bradley at bestweb.net  Mon Dec 23 14:32:40 2002
From: bradley at bestweb.net (Bradley Baumann)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:32:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
References: <200212231650.gBNGoCSt097144@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001901c2aaba$0ef0b450$0300a8c0@prophxp>

Good luck, buddy.
Perhaps if you told us what exactly this ColdFusion code did, some of us (in
our free time) could help you write some code... I'm always willing to help
in my spare time.
Let me know,
-Bradley

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan T. Miller" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs

> Thanks Jessica,
>
> I'll be sweatin it either way :)
>
> Alan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jessica kelly" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> > IIS is a four letter word as far as I'm concerned. Also everyone needs
to
> realize that as web/PHP developers we are often stuck with what we have,
not
> what we would rather have. If IIS didn't have such a sordid security past
we
> would be running it here and I would have absolutely no say in the matter.
I
> wanted to put Linux on the server and they put Advanced Server 2000 on it.
I
> scream, yet no one hears...
> >
> > The site is for a very small community college and it gets very few, if
> any, concurrent hits on the PHP/MySQL portion of it and I have plenty of
> room for multiple users config wise.
> >
> > I still think that Alan should use CGI instead of the module. It is
flaky.
> >
> > Thank's Guys
> > Jessica
> >
> > >>> zala007 at hotmail.com 12/23/02 10:44:09 AM >>>
> > Miss/Mrs. Jessiaca Kelly,
> >
> > Better to use PHP and related softwares on Linux machine rather than on
> > Microsoft based OSs :) ? This is like running your Ferrari car on Diesel
> > rather than on Gas.I really wonder. Hard to change everything, once set
up
> on Window's
> > environment but "Better" to move on Linux.
> > Thanks,
> > Anirudh Zala
> > >>>
> > I suggest running IIS and PHP on Windows 2000 Server, or Advanced
Server.
> > There may be a couple configuration things you might want to look
into...
> > (how many users at a time? etc, etc)
> > Also, you're going to want to look into MySQL's (or whatever other
> database
> > you're using) configuration, too... (again, amount of users at the same
> > time)...
> > Those are the only real obvious things I can think of, if I can come up
> with
> > anything else, I'll be sure to let you know.
> > Good luck.
> > -Brad.
> >
> > >From: "jessica kelly" 
> > >Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> >
> > >
> > > > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to
work
> > > > around some of it for now and we only have one production server at
> the
> > > > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
> > > >phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone
has
> > >actually used
> > > >it in a production environment.
> > >
> > >Alan,
> > >
> > >I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win Advanced Server
2000
> > >and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The site
> > >does not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you need
to
> > >enter info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but about once a
> week
> > >and is frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!).
> > >
> > >I have been told to avoid using the module from persons on this list
> > >(Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying to get it to
> work
> > >as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over.
> > >
> > >Jessica
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>

From mike at hilliardfarber.com  Mon Dec 23 15:37:50 2002
From: mike at hilliardfarber.com (Michael J Lee)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:37:50 -0500
Subject: photo album
In-Reply-To: <200212231930.gBNJU6St097948@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

Hey All,
I've got a mySQL/php question here . .

I want to create a photo album using a php script that will call a sql query
to help populate the page now the first question is:

What would be the best way to store the images in the database?  Links to
the images?  Can you store the actual images? (I'm guessing that would not
be recommended . . )

I figure I would run a for loop that runs the total number of items returned
and echo the path into the img tag.
ie:  border=0> or
something to this effect.

Anyone do anything like this?  Suggestions?

Thanks!

Mike Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradley Baumann [mailto:bradley at bestweb.net]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:30 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs

Good luck, buddy.
Perhaps if you told us what exactly this ColdFusion code did, some of us (in
our free time) could help you write some code... I'm always willing to help
in my spare time.
Let me know,
-Bradley

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan T. Miller" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs

> Thanks Jessica,
>
> I'll be sweatin it either way :)
>
> Alan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jessica kelly" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> > IIS is a four letter word as far as I'm concerned. Also everyone needs
to
> realize that as web/PHP developers we are often stuck with what we have,
not
> what we would rather have. If IIS didn't have such a sordid security past
we
> would be running it here and I would have absolutely no say in the matter.
I
> wanted to put Linux on the server and they put Advanced Server 2000 on it.
I
> scream, yet no one hears...
> >
> > The site is for a very small community college and it gets very few, if
> any, concurrent hits on the PHP/MySQL portion of it and I have plenty of
> room for multiple users config wise.
> >
> > I still think that Alan should use CGI instead of the module. It is
flaky.
> >
> > Thank's Guys
> > Jessica
> >
> > >>> zala007 at hotmail.com 12/23/02 10:44:09 AM >>>
> > Miss/Mrs. Jessiaca Kelly,
> >
> > Better to use PHP and related softwares on Linux machine rather than on
> > Microsoft based OSs :) ? This is like running your Ferrari car on Diesel
> > rather than on Gas.I really wonder. Hard to change everything, once set
up
> on Window's
> > environment but "Better" to move on Linux.
> > Thanks,
> > Anirudh Zala
> > >>>
> > I suggest running IIS and PHP on Windows 2000 Server, or Advanced
Server.
> > There may be a couple configuration things you might want to look
into...
> > (how many users at a time? etc, etc)
> > Also, you're going to want to look into MySQL's (or whatever other
> database
> > you're using) configuration, too... (again, amount of users at the same
> > time)...
> > Those are the only real obvious things I can think of, if I can come up
> with
> > anything else, I'll be sure to let you know.
> > Good luck.
> > -Brad.
> >
> > >From: "jessica kelly" 
> > >Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> >
> > >
> > > > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to
work
> > > > around some of it for now and we only have one production server at
> the
> > > > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
> > > >phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone
has
> > >actually used
> > > >it in a production environment.
> > >
> > >Alan,
> > >
> > >I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win Advanced Server
2000
> > >and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The site
> > >does not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you need
to
> > >enter info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but about once a
> week
> > >and is frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!).
> > >
> > >I have been told to avoid using the module from persons on this list
> > >(Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying to get it to
> work
> > >as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over.
> > >
> > >Jessica
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From bradley at bestweb.net  Mon Dec 23 15:57:03 2002
From: bradley at bestweb.net (Bradley Baumann)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:57:03 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
References: <200212232039.gBNKd7St098335@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001f01c2aac5$d86f5790$0300a8c0@prophxp>

I've made quite a few of these... you've got a number of options:
I find this to be the best:
Using a simple HTML form, upload the file -- and add the filename / filetype
into a database. NOT THE FILE _ITSELF_. Just the info... also, in the table,
have an ID (auto incr.) field, so that each file / photo is assigned an
individual, exclusive, ID number... then, upload the file, or move it,
rather... with the "move_uploaded_file()" or "copy()" function.
see:
http://www.php.net/manual/en/features.file-upload.php
Name the file itself, with the ID given to the record in the database,
"mysql_insert_id()".
Now, every time you do an SQL search, you can have the "real" name of the
file, it's type, and the ID of the filename handy.... this way you don't
need to worry about files with the same filename, or anything like that...

It really depends on what you want, but this way (with some other features,
too) seems to be good, tried and true.

I hope this method makes some sort of sense. If it doesn't, let me know.
I'll re-explain.

Good luck,
-Bradley.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael J Lee" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:39 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album

> Hey All,
> I've got a mySQL/php question here . .
>
> I want to create a photo album using a php script that will call a sql
query
> to help populate the page now the first question is:
>
> What would be the best way to store the images in the database?  Links to
> the images?  Can you store the actual images? (I'm guessing that would not
> be recommended . . )
>
> I figure I would run a for loop that runs the total number of items
returned
> and echo the path into the img tag.
> ie:  border=0> or
> something to this effect.
>
> Anyone do anything like this?  Suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bradley Baumann [mailto:bradley at bestweb.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:30 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> Good luck, buddy.
> Perhaps if you told us what exactly this ColdFusion code did, some of us
(in
> our free time) could help you write some code... I'm always willing to
help
> in my spare time.
> Let me know,
> -Bradley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan T. Miller" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> > Thanks Jessica,
> >
> > I'll be sweatin it either way :)
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jessica kelly" 
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
> >
> >
> > > IIS is a four letter word as far as I'm concerned. Also everyone needs
> to
> > realize that as web/PHP developers we are often stuck with what we have,
> not
> > what we would rather have. If IIS didn't have such a sordid security
past
> we
> > would be running it here and I would have absolutely no say in the
matter.
> I
> > wanted to put Linux on the server and they put Advanced Server 2000 on
it.
> I
> > scream, yet no one hears...
> > >
> > > The site is for a very small community college and it gets very few,
if
> > any, concurrent hits on the PHP/MySQL portion of it and I have plenty of
> > room for multiple users config wise.
> > >
> > > I still think that Alan should use CGI instead of the module. It is
> flaky.
> > >
> > > Thank's Guys
> > > Jessica
> > >
> > > >>> zala007 at hotmail.com 12/23/02 10:44:09 AM >>>
> > > Miss/Mrs. Jessiaca Kelly,
> > >
> > > Better to use PHP and related softwares on Linux machine rather than
on
> > > Microsoft based OSs :) ? This is like running your Ferrari car on
Diesel
> > > rather than on Gas.I really wonder. Hard to change everything, once
set
> up
> > on Window's
> > > environment but "Better" to move on Linux.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anirudh Zala
> > > >>>
> > > I suggest running IIS and PHP on Windows 2000 Server, or Advanced
> Server.
> > > There may be a couple configuration things you might want to look
> into...
> > > (how many users at a time? etc, etc)
> > > Also, you're going to want to look into MySQL's (or whatever other
> > database
> > > you're using) configuration, too... (again, amount of users at the
same
> > > time)...
> > > Those are the only real obvious things I can think of, if I can come
up
> > with
> > > anything else, I'll be sure to let you know.
> > > Good luck.
> > > -Brad.
> > >
> > > >From: "jessica kelly" 
> > > >Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to
> work
> > > > > around some of it for now and we only have one production server
at
> > the
> > > > > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
> > > > >phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone
> has
> > > >actually used
> > > > >it in a production environment.
> > > >
> > > >Alan,
> > > >
> > > >I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win Advanced Server
> 2000
> > > >and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The
site
> > > >does not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you
need
> to
> > > >enter info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but about once
a
> > week
> > > >and is frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!).
> > > >
> > > >I have been told to avoid using the module from persons on this list
> > > >(Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying to get it
to
> > work
> > > >as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over.
> > > >
> > > >Jessica
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>

From patrick.fee at baesystems.com  Mon Dec 23 15:57:36 2002
From: patrick.fee at baesystems.com (Fee, Patrick J)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:57:36 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
Message-ID: 

You might want to check out a little open source item out there that does
all of this and more.
It also auto generates the thumbnail images, and uses a java desktop piece
to help upload multiple images.  I've used in about 4 websites, and I've
been very please with it so far...

I AM NOT affiliated with it in any way.... just happy with the results....

http://gallery.sourceforge.net/

Gallery is the name of the project.....

PJF

Patrick J. Fee
Web & Database Group Manager
BAE SYSTEMS
600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 600
Washington D.C. 20024
Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
Tel: (202) 548-3759
Fax: (202) 608-5970

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael J Lee [mailto:mike at hilliardfarber.com]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:39 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album

Hey All,
I've got a mySQL/php question here . .

I want to create a photo album using a php script that will call a sql query
to help populate the page now the first question is:

What would be the best way to store the images in the database?  Links to
the images?  Can you store the actual images? (I'm guessing that would not
be recommended . . )

I figure I would run a for loop that runs the total number of items returned
and echo the path into the img tag.
ie:  border=0> or
something to this effect.

Anyone do anything like this?  Suggestions?

Thanks!

Mike Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradley Baumann [mailto:bradley at bestweb.net]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:30 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs

Good luck, buddy.
Perhaps if you told us what exactly this ColdFusion code did, some of us (in
our free time) could help you write some code... I'm always willing to help
in my spare time.
Let me know,
-Bradley

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan T. Miller" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs

> Thanks Jessica,
>
> I'll be sweatin it either way :)
>
> Alan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jessica kelly" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> > IIS is a four letter word as far as I'm concerned. Also everyone needs
to
> realize that as web/PHP developers we are often stuck with what we have,
not
> what we would rather have. If IIS didn't have such a sordid security past
we
> would be running it here and I would have absolutely no say in the matter.
I
> wanted to put Linux on the server and they put Advanced Server 2000 on it.
I
> scream, yet no one hears...
> >
> > The site is for a very small community college and it gets very few, if
> any, concurrent hits on the PHP/MySQL portion of it and I have plenty of
> room for multiple users config wise.
> >
> > I still think that Alan should use CGI instead of the module. It is
flaky.
> >
> > Thank's Guys
> > Jessica
> >
> > >>> zala007 at hotmail.com 12/23/02 10:44:09 AM >>>
> > Miss/Mrs. Jessiaca Kelly,
> >
> > Better to use PHP and related softwares on Linux machine rather than on
> > Microsoft based OSs :) ? This is like running your Ferrari car on Diesel
> > rather than on Gas.I really wonder. Hard to change everything, once set
up
> on Window's
> > environment but "Better" to move on Linux.
> > Thanks,
> > Anirudh Zala
> > >>>
> > I suggest running IIS and PHP on Windows 2000 Server, or Advanced
Server.
> > There may be a couple configuration things you might want to look
into...
> > (how many users at a time? etc, etc)
> > Also, you're going to want to look into MySQL's (or whatever other
> database
> > you're using) configuration, too... (again, amount of users at the same
> > time)...
> > Those are the only real obvious things I can think of, if I can come up
> with
> > anything else, I'll be sure to let you know.
> > Good luck.
> > -Brad.
> >
> > >From: "jessica kelly" 
> > >Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> >
> > >
> > > > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to
work
> > > > around some of it for now and we only have one production server at
> the
> > > > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
> > > >phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone
has
> > >actually used
> > > >it in a production environment.
> > >
> > >Alan,
> > >
> > >I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win Advanced Server
2000
> > >and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The site
> > >does not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you need
to
> > >enter info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but about once a
> week
> > >and is frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!).
> > >
> > >I have been told to avoid using the module from persons on this list
> > >(Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying to get it to
> work
> > >as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over.
> > >
> > >Jessica
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---

From bradley at bestweb.net  Mon Dec 23 16:05:12 2002
From: bradley at bestweb.net (Bradley Baumann)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:05:12 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
References: <200212232057.gBNKvgSt098442@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002901c2aac6$fc487a10$0300a8c0@prophxp>

Looks interesting due to the fact that it doesn't use GD or ImageMagick... I
might actually look into NetBPM (image manipulation libs) that they are
using, because it can handle GIF files again, which GD can't do, due to
UniSys legal stuff.

Thanks for the link, Patrick.
-Bradley.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fee, Patrick J" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] photo album

> You might want to check out a little open source item out there that does
> all of this and more.
> It also auto generates the thumbnail images, and uses a java desktop piece
> to help upload multiple images.  I've used in about 4 websites, and I've
> been very please with it so far...
>
> I AM NOT affiliated with it in any way.... just happy with the results....
>
> http://gallery.sourceforge.net/
>
> Gallery is the name of the project.....
>
> PJF
>
>
> Patrick J. Fee
> Web & Database Group Manager
> BAE SYSTEMS
> 600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 600
> Washington D.C. 20024
> Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
> Tel: (202) 548-3759
> Fax: (202) 608-5970
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael J Lee [mailto:mike at hilliardfarber.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:39 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
>
>
> Hey All,
> I've got a mySQL/php question here . .
>
> I want to create a photo album using a php script that will call a sql
query
> to help populate the page now the first question is:
>
> What would be the best way to store the images in the database?  Links to
> the images?  Can you store the actual images? (I'm guessing that would not
> be recommended . . )
>
> I figure I would run a for loop that runs the total number of items
returned
> and echo the path into the img tag.
> ie:  border=0> or
> something to this effect.
>
> Anyone do anything like this?  Suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bradley Baumann [mailto:bradley at bestweb.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:30 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> Good luck, buddy.
> Perhaps if you told us what exactly this ColdFusion code did, some of us
(in
> our free time) could help you write some code... I'm always willing to
help
> in my spare time.
> Let me know,
> -Bradley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan T. Miller" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> > Thanks Jessica,
> >
> > I'll be sweatin it either way :)
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jessica kelly" 
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
> >
> >
> > > IIS is a four letter word as far as I'm concerned. Also everyone needs
> to
> > realize that as web/PHP developers we are often stuck with what we have,
> not
> > what we would rather have. If IIS didn't have such a sordid security
past
> we
> > would be running it here and I would have absolutely no say in the
matter.
> I
> > wanted to put Linux on the server and they put Advanced Server 2000 on
it.
> I
> > scream, yet no one hears...
> > >
> > > The site is for a very small community college and it gets very few,
if
> > any, concurrent hits on the PHP/MySQL portion of it and I have plenty of
> > room for multiple users config wise.
> > >
> > > I still think that Alan should use CGI instead of the module. It is
> flaky.
> > >
> > > Thank's Guys
> > > Jessica
> > >
> > > >>> zala007 at hotmail.com 12/23/02 10:44:09 AM >>>
> > > Miss/Mrs. Jessiaca Kelly,
> > >
> > > Better to use PHP and related softwares on Linux machine rather than
on
> > > Microsoft based OSs :) ? This is like running your Ferrari car on
Diesel
> > > rather than on Gas.I really wonder. Hard to change everything, once
set
> up
> > on Window's
> > > environment but "Better" to move on Linux.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anirudh Zala
> > > >>>
> > > I suggest running IIS and PHP on Windows 2000 Server, or Advanced
> Server.
> > > There may be a couple configuration things you might want to look
> into...
> > > (how many users at a time? etc, etc)
> > > Also, you're going to want to look into MySQL's (or whatever other
> > database
> > > you're using) configuration, too... (again, amount of users at the
same
> > > time)...
> > > Those are the only real obvious things I can think of, if I can come
up
> > with
> > > anything else, I'll be sure to let you know.
> > > Good luck.
> > > -Brad.
> > >
> > > >From: "jessica kelly" 
> > > >Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to
> work
> > > > > around some of it for now and we only have one production server
at
> > the
> > > > > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
> > > > >phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone
> has
> > > >actually used
> > > > >it in a production environment.
> > > >
> > > >Alan,
> > > >
> > > >I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win Advanced Server
> 2000
> > > >and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The
site
> > > >does not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you
need
> to
> > > >enter info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but about once
a
> > week
> > > >and is frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!).
> > > >
> > > >I have been told to avoid using the module from persons on this list
> > > >(Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying to get it
to
> > work
> > > >as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over.
> > > >
> > > >Jessica
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>

From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Mon Dec 23 16:16:43 2002
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:16:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
In-Reply-To: <200212232102.gBNL2XSt098475@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

Hi Bradley or anyone.

Speaking of GD, ImageMagick and all that...I've got a situation where I want
to shrink an uploaded image to 50px max vertical and still maintain image
quality.  Unfortunately, it's on a hosted server, which only supports GD and
I'm not even sure in what form.  I've messed around with some of the code
from PEAR, but I can't get good image quality, and can only support jpegs
(I'd like to at least get gifs in there)...any thoughts or suggestions???
What does anyone know about the Gallery link
(http://gallery.sourceforge.net/)- are you saying it's using NetBPM ... is
this something I can install locally???

Thanks for any help.  And hello all.
Chris

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Bradley Baumann [mailto:bradley at bestweb.net]
-> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 4:03 PM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] photo album
->
->
-> Looks interesting due to the fact that it doesn't use GD or
-> ImageMagick... I
-> might actually look into NetBPM (image manipulation libs) that they are
-> using, because it can handle GIF files again, which GD can't do, due to
-> UniSys legal stuff.
->
-> Thanks for the link, Patrick.
-> -Bradley.
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Fee, Patrick J" 
-> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
-> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:57 PM
-> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] photo album
->
->
-> > You might want to check out a little open source item out
-> there that does
-> > all of this and more.
-> > It also auto generates the thumbnail images, and uses a java
-> desktop piece
-> > to help upload multiple images.  I've used in about 4
-> websites, and I've
-> > been very please with it so far...
-> >
-> > I AM NOT affiliated with it in any way.... just happy with the
-> results....
-> >
-> > http://gallery.sourceforge.net/
-> >
-> > Gallery is the name of the project.....
-> >
-> > PJF
-> >
-> >
-> > Patrick J. Fee
-> > Web & Database Group Manager
-> > BAE SYSTEMS
-> > 600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 600
-> > Washington D.C. 20024
-> > Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
-> > Tel: (202) 548-3759
-> > Fax: (202) 608-5970
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: Michael J Lee [mailto:mike at hilliardfarber.com]
-> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:39 PM
-> > To: NYPHP Talk
-> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
-> >
-> >
-> > Hey All,
-> > I've got a mySQL/php question here . .
-> >
-> > I want to create a photo album using a php script that will call a sql
-> query
-> > to help populate the page now the first question is:
-> >
-> > What would be the best way to store the images in the
-> database?  Links to
-> > the images?  Can you store the actual images? (I'm guessing
-> that would not
-> > be recommended . . )
-> >
-> > I figure I would run a for loop that runs the total number of items
-> returned
-> > and echo the path into the img tag.
-> > ie:  border=0> or
-> > something to this effect.
-> >
-> > Anyone do anything like this?  Suggestions?
-> >
-> > Thanks!
-> >
-> > Mike Lee
-> >
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: Bradley Baumann [mailto:bradley at bestweb.net]
-> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:30 PM
-> > To: NYPHP Talk
-> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
-> >
-> >
-> > Good luck, buddy.
-> > Perhaps if you told us what exactly this ColdFusion code did,
-> some of us
-> (in
-> > our free time) could help you write some code... I'm always willing to
-> help
-> > in my spare time.
-> > Let me know,
-> > -Bradley
-> >
-> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > From: "Alan T. Miller" 
-> > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
-> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:50 AM
-> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
-> >
-> >
-> > > Thanks Jessica,
-> > >
-> > > I'll be sweatin it either way :)
-> > >
-> > > Alan
-> > >
-> > > ----- Original Message -----
-> > > From: "jessica kelly" 
-> > > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
-> > > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:42 AM
-> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
-> > >
-> > >
-> > > > IIS is a four letter word as far as I'm concerned. Also
-> everyone needs
-> > to
-> > > realize that as web/PHP developers we are often stuck with
-> what we have,
-> > not
-> > > what we would rather have. If IIS didn't have such a sordid security
-> past
-> > we
-> > > would be running it here and I would have absolutely no say in the
-> matter.
-> > I
-> > > wanted to put Linux on the server and they put Advanced
-> Server 2000 on
-> it.
-> > I
-> > > scream, yet no one hears...
-> > > >
-> > > > The site is for a very small community college and it gets
-> very few,
-> if
-> > > any, concurrent hits on the PHP/MySQL portion of it and I
-> have plenty of
-> > > room for multiple users config wise.
-> > > >
-> > > > I still think that Alan should use CGI instead of the module. It is
-> > flaky.
-> > > >
-> > > > Thank's Guys
-> > > > Jessica
-> > > >
-> > > > >>> zala007 at hotmail.com 12/23/02 10:44:09 AM >>>
-> > > > Miss/Mrs. Jessiaca Kelly,
-> > > >
-> > > > Better to use PHP and related softwares on Linux machine
-> rather than
-> on
-> > > > Microsoft based OSs :) ? This is like running your Ferrari car on
-> Diesel
-> > > > rather than on Gas.I really wonder. Hard to change everything, once
-> set
-> > up
-> > > on Window's
-> > > > environment but "Better" to move on Linux.
-> > > > Thanks,
-> > > > Anirudh Zala
-> > > > >>>
-> > > > I suggest running IIS and PHP on Windows 2000 Server, or Advanced
-> > Server.
-> > > > There may be a couple configuration things you might want to look
-> > into...
-> > > > (how many users at a time? etc, etc)
-> > > > Also, you're going to want to look into MySQL's (or whatever other
-> > > database
-> > > > you're using) configuration, too... (again, amount of users at the
-> same
-> > > > time)...
-> > > > Those are the only real obvious things I can think of, if
-> I can come
-> up
-> > > with
-> > > > anything else, I'll be sure to let you know.
-> > > > Good luck.
-> > > > -Brad.
-> > > >
-> > > > >From: "jessica kelly" 
-> > > > >Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
-> > > >
-> > > > >
-> > > > > > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I
-> just need to
-> > work
-> > > > > > around some of it for now and we only have one
-> production server
-> at
-> > > the
-> > > > > > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
-> > > > > >phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to
-> hear if anyone
-> > has
-> > > > >actually used
-> > > > > >it in a production environment.
-> > > > >
-> > > > >Alan,
-> > > > >
-> > > > >I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win
-> Advanced Server
-> > 2000
-> > > > >and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The
-> site
-> > > > >does not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you
-> need
-> > to
-> > > > >enter info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but
-> about once
-> a
-> > > week
-> > > > >and is frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!).
-> > > > >
-> > > > >I have been told to avoid using the module from persons
-> on this list
-> > > > >(Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying
-> to get it
-> to
-> > > work
-> > > > >as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over.
-> > > > >
-> > > > >Jessica
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
->
->
->
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->
->

From nyphp at websapp.com  Mon Dec 23 16:21:35 2002
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:21:35 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
In-Reply-To: <200212232102.gBNL2XSt098475@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

I have use this application quite a few times and I must say
that it is very complete.

Regards,
Daniel Kushner
_________________________________________
Need hosting? http://thehostingcompany.us

-----Original Message-----
From: Bradley Baumann [mailto:bradley at bestweb.net]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 4:03 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] photo album

Looks interesting due to the fact that it doesn't use GD or ImageMagick... I
might actually look into NetBPM (image manipulation libs) that they are
using, because it can handle GIF files again, which GD can't do, due to
UniSys legal stuff.

Thanks for the link, Patrick.
-Bradley.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fee, Patrick J" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:57 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] photo album

> You might want to check out a little open source item out there that does
> all of this and more.
> It also auto generates the thumbnail images, and uses a java desktop piece
> to help upload multiple images.  I've used in about 4 websites, and I've
> been very please with it so far...
>
> I AM NOT affiliated with it in any way.... just happy with the results....
>
> http://gallery.sourceforge.net/
>
> Gallery is the name of the project.....
>
> PJF
>
>
> Patrick J. Fee
> Web & Database Group Manager
> BAE SYSTEMS
> 600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 600
> Washington D.C. 20024
> Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
> Tel: (202) 548-3759
> Fax: (202) 608-5970
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael J Lee [mailto:mike at hilliardfarber.com]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:39 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
>
>
> Hey All,
> I've got a mySQL/php question here . .
>
> I want to create a photo album using a php script that will call a sql
query
> to help populate the page now the first question is:
>
> What would be the best way to store the images in the database?  Links to
> the images?  Can you store the actual images? (I'm guessing that would not
> be recommended . . )
>
> I figure I would run a for loop that runs the total number of items
returned
> and echo the path into the img tag.
> ie:  border=0> or
> something to this effect.
>
> Anyone do anything like this?  Suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike Lee
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bradley Baumann [mailto:bradley at bestweb.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:30 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> Good luck, buddy.
> Perhaps if you told us what exactly this ColdFusion code did, some of us
(in
> our free time) could help you write some code... I'm always willing to
help
> in my spare time.
> Let me know,
> -Bradley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan T. Miller" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> > Thanks Jessica,
> >
> > I'll be sweatin it either way :)
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jessica kelly" 
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
> >
> >
> > > IIS is a four letter word as far as I'm concerned. Also everyone needs
> to
> > realize that as web/PHP developers we are often stuck with what we have,
> not
> > what we would rather have. If IIS didn't have such a sordid security
past
> we
> > would be running it here and I would have absolutely no say in the
matter.
> I
> > wanted to put Linux on the server and they put Advanced Server 2000 on
it.
> I
> > scream, yet no one hears...
> > >
> > > The site is for a very small community college and it gets very few,
if
> > any, concurrent hits on the PHP/MySQL portion of it and I have plenty of
> > room for multiple users config wise.
> > >
> > > I still think that Alan should use CGI instead of the module. It is
> flaky.
> > >
> > > Thank's Guys
> > > Jessica
> > >
> > > >>> zala007 at hotmail.com 12/23/02 10:44:09 AM >>>
> > > Miss/Mrs. Jessiaca Kelly,
> > >
> > > Better to use PHP and related softwares on Linux machine rather than
on
> > > Microsoft based OSs :) ? This is like running your Ferrari car on
Diesel
> > > rather than on Gas.I really wonder. Hard to change everything, once
set
> up
> > on Window's
> > > environment but "Better" to move on Linux.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anirudh Zala
> > > >>>
> > > I suggest running IIS and PHP on Windows 2000 Server, or Advanced
> Server.
> > > There may be a couple configuration things you might want to look
> into...
> > > (how many users at a time? etc, etc)
> > > Also, you're going to want to look into MySQL's (or whatever other
> > database
> > > you're using) configuration, too... (again, amount of users at the
same
> > > time)...
> > > Those are the only real obvious things I can think of, if I can come
up
> > with
> > > anything else, I'll be sure to let you know.
> > > Good luck.
> > > -Brad.
> > >
> > > >From: "jessica kelly" 
> > > >Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to
> work
> > > > > around some of it for now and we only have one production server
at
> > the
> > > > > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
> > > > >phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone
> has
> > > >actually used
> > > > >it in a production environment.
> > > >
> > > >Alan,
> > > >
> > > >I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win Advanced Server
> 2000
> > > >and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The
site
> > > >does not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you
need
> to
> > > >enter info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but about once
a
> > week
> > > >and is frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!).
> > > >
> > > >I have been told to avoid using the module from persons on this list
> > > >(Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying to get it
to
> > work
> > > >as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over.
> > > >
> > > >Jessica
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From nyphp at websapp.com  Mon Dec 23 16:54:30 2002
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:54:30 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
In-Reply-To: <200212232117.gBNLH2St098568@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

Hi Christopher,

You can find pre-compiled NetBPM binaries here:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=7130

There is no installation process what so ever. Just upload the files, make
sure they are executable and off you go! Take a look at the PHP Gallery
application for example use.

Regards,
Daniel Kushner
_________________________________________
Need hosting? http://thehostingcompany.us

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Hendry [mailto:chendry at nyc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 4:17 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] photo album

Hi Bradley or anyone.

Speaking of GD, ImageMagick and all that...I've got a situation where I want
to shrink an uploaded image to 50px max vertical and still maintain image
quality.  Unfortunately, it's on a hosted server, which only supports GD and
I'm not even sure in what form.  I've messed around with some of the code
from PEAR, but I can't get good image quality, and can only support jpegs
(I'd like to at least get gifs in there)...any thoughts or suggestions???
What does anyone know about the Gallery link
(http://gallery.sourceforge.net/)- are you saying it's using NetBPM ... is
this something I can install locally???

Thanks for any help.  And hello all.
Chris

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Bradley Baumann [mailto:bradley at bestweb.net]
-> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 4:03 PM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] photo album
->
->
-> Looks interesting due to the fact that it doesn't use GD or
-> ImageMagick... I
-> might actually look into NetBPM (image manipulation libs) that they are
-> using, because it can handle GIF files again, which GD can't do, due to
-> UniSys legal stuff.
->
-> Thanks for the link, Patrick.
-> -Bradley.
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Fee, Patrick J" 
-> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
-> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:57 PM
-> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] photo album
->
->
-> > You might want to check out a little open source item out
-> there that does
-> > all of this and more.
-> > It also auto generates the thumbnail images, and uses a java
-> desktop piece
-> > to help upload multiple images.  I've used in about 4
-> websites, and I've
-> > been very please with it so far...
-> >
-> > I AM NOT affiliated with it in any way.... just happy with the
-> results....
-> >
-> > http://gallery.sourceforge.net/
-> >
-> > Gallery is the name of the project.....
-> >
-> > PJF
-> >
-> >
-> > Patrick J. Fee
-> > Web & Database Group Manager
-> > BAE SYSTEMS
-> > 600 Maryland Ave. SW  Suite 600
-> > Washington D.C. 20024
-> > Patrick.Fee at BAESYSTEMS.com
-> > Tel: (202) 548-3759
-> > Fax: (202) 608-5970
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: Michael J Lee [mailto:mike at hilliardfarber.com]
-> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:39 PM
-> > To: NYPHP Talk
-> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
-> >
-> >
-> > Hey All,
-> > I've got a mySQL/php question here . .
-> >
-> > I want to create a photo album using a php script that will call a sql
-> query
-> > to help populate the page now the first question is:
-> >
-> > What would be the best way to store the images in the
-> database?  Links to
-> > the images?  Can you store the actual images? (I'm guessing
-> that would not
-> > be recommended . . )
-> >
-> > I figure I would run a for loop that runs the total number of items
-> returned
-> > and echo the path into the img tag.
-> > ie:  border=0> or
-> > something to this effect.
-> >
-> > Anyone do anything like this?  Suggestions?
-> >
-> > Thanks!
-> >
-> > Mike Lee
-> >
-> > -----Original Message-----
-> > From: Bradley Baumann [mailto:bradley at bestweb.net]
-> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:30 PM
-> > To: NYPHP Talk
-> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
-> >
-> >
-> > Good luck, buddy.
-> > Perhaps if you told us what exactly this ColdFusion code did,
-> some of us
-> (in
-> > our free time) could help you write some code... I'm always willing to
-> help
-> > in my spare time.
-> > Let me know,
-> > -Bradley
-> >
-> > ----- Original Message -----
-> > From: "Alan T. Miller" 
-> > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
-> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:50 AM
-> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
-> >
-> >
-> > > Thanks Jessica,
-> > >
-> > > I'll be sweatin it either way :)
-> > >
-> > > Alan
-> > >
-> > > ----- Original Message -----
-> > > From: "jessica kelly" 
-> > > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
-> > > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:42 AM
-> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
-> > >
-> > >
-> > > > IIS is a four letter word as far as I'm concerned. Also
-> everyone needs
-> > to
-> > > realize that as web/PHP developers we are often stuck with
-> what we have,
-> > not
-> > > what we would rather have. If IIS didn't have such a sordid security
-> past
-> > we
-> > > would be running it here and I would have absolutely no say in the
-> matter.
-> > I
-> > > wanted to put Linux on the server and they put Advanced
-> Server 2000 on
-> it.
-> > I
-> > > scream, yet no one hears...
-> > > >
-> > > > The site is for a very small community college and it gets
-> very few,
-> if
-> > > any, concurrent hits on the PHP/MySQL portion of it and I
-> have plenty of
-> > > room for multiple users config wise.
-> > > >
-> > > > I still think that Alan should use CGI instead of the module. It is
-> > flaky.
-> > > >
-> > > > Thank's Guys
-> > > > Jessica
-> > > >
-> > > > >>> zala007 at hotmail.com 12/23/02 10:44:09 AM >>>
-> > > > Miss/Mrs. Jessiaca Kelly,
-> > > >
-> > > > Better to use PHP and related softwares on Linux machine
-> rather than
-> on
-> > > > Microsoft based OSs :) ? This is like running your Ferrari car on
-> Diesel
-> > > > rather than on Gas.I really wonder. Hard to change everything, once
-> set
-> > up
-> > > on Window's
-> > > > environment but "Better" to move on Linux.
-> > > > Thanks,
-> > > > Anirudh Zala
-> > > > >>>
-> > > > I suggest running IIS and PHP on Windows 2000 Server, or Advanced
-> > Server.
-> > > > There may be a couple configuration things you might want to look
-> > into...
-> > > > (how many users at a time? etc, etc)
-> > > > Also, you're going to want to look into MySQL's (or whatever other
-> > > database
-> > > > you're using) configuration, too... (again, amount of users at the
-> same
-> > > > time)...
-> > > > Those are the only real obvious things I can think of, if
-> I can come
-> up
-> > > with
-> > > > anything else, I'll be sure to let you know.
-> > > > Good luck.
-> > > > -Brad.
-> > > >
-> > > > >From: "jessica kelly" 
-> > > > >Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
-> > > >
-> > > > >
-> > > > > > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I
-> just need to
-> > work
-> > > > > > around some of it for now and we only have one
-> production server
-> at
-> > > the
-> > > > > > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
-> > > > > >phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to
-> hear if anyone
-> > has
-> > > > >actually used
-> > > > > >it in a production environment.
-> > > > >
-> > > > >Alan,
-> > > > >
-> > > > >I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win
-> Advanced Server
-> > 2000
-> > > > >and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The
-> site
-> > > > >does not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you
-> need
-> > to
-> > > > >enter info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but
-> about once
-> a
-> > > week
-> > > > >and is frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!).
-> > > > >
-> > > > >I have been told to avoid using the module from persons
-> on this list
-> > > > >(Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying
-> to get it
-> to
-> > > work
-> > > > >as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over.
-> > > > >
-> > > > >Jessica
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> > >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
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From smanes at magpie.com  Mon Dec 23 20:39:48 2002
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:39:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
In-Reply-To: <200212232039.gBNKd7St098335@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20021223200921.02574240@192.168.111.6>

At 03:39 PM 12/23/2002 -0500, Michael J Lee wrote:
>What would be the best way to store the images in the database?  Links to
>the images?  Can you store the actual images? (I'm guessing that would not
>be recommended . . )

I would never store images in a database.  For one thing, they can't be 
locally cached.  For another it precludes the use of a dedicated image 
server, or at least complicates it.  For another, it takes a lot more 
bandwidth to pull something from a database than it does from a 
filesystem.  And if the application should ever grow to the scale where 
edge delivery is desirable...

You could store the paths in the database but if you have a lot of images 
you have to be careful about overloading directories.  Typically, 
hand-rolled photo archives are based on a bunch of categorized 
directories.  For instance, you might have thousands of photos in the "NYC" 
category and only a handful of snapshots of Boise.  As those directories 
grow, search times slow and maintenance becomes more problematic.

A better solution which tends to balance out a directory tree better is 
create a two or three tiered directory structure based on an MD5 hash of 
the image's name or image id:

     $IMAGE_DIR = "/images";
     $hash  = md5($image_name);
     $relative_path = sprintf("%s/%s/%s/%s", $IMAGE_DIR,
         substr($hash, 0, 2), substr($hash, 2, 2), $image_name);

This creates a pseudo-random distribution of directories.  Run through this 
function, the image "slobbering_dog.jpg" would produce this directory 
hierarchy:

/images/fe/24/slobbering_dog.jpg

Then you only need to store the image's name, or numeric id, in the 
database (along with a category id probably).  If you have millions of 
images, I'd probably increase those node names to three characters.  We 
use  this at CCI too, BTW.

From southwell at dneba.com  Mon Dec 23 21:22:21 2002
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 21:22:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
In-Reply-To: <200212232039.gBNKd7St098335@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021223211803.00b232a0@mail.optonline.net>

at the risk of repeating what others have already said:

1.  don't store the images in the database; store them in an image 
directory and store the name of each image plus any commentary in the database.
2.  store your search results in a temporary table
3.  loop through that temporary table echoing each result (as you say) with 
previous/next posting a direction to go, backwards or forwards, for the 
next one

At 03:39 PM 12/23/2002, you wrote:
>Hey All,
>I've got a mySQL/php question here . .
>
>I want to create a photo album using a php script that will call a sql query
>to help populate the page now the first question is:
>
>What would be the best way to store the images in the database?  Links to
>the images?  Can you store the actual images? (I'm guessing that would not
>be recommended . . )
>
>I figure I would run a for loop that runs the total number of items returned
>and echo the path into the img tag.
>ie:  border=0> or
>something to this effect.
>
>Anyone do anything like this?  Suggestions?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Mike Lee
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bradley Baumann [mailto:bradley at bestweb.net]
>Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:30 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
>Good luck, buddy.
>Perhaps if you told us what exactly this ColdFusion code did, some of us (in
>our free time) could help you write some code... I'm always willing to help
>in my spare time.
>Let me know,
>-Bradley
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alan T. Miller" 
>To: "NYPHP Talk" 
>Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:50 AM
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
>
>
> > Thanks Jessica,
> >
> > I'll be sweatin it either way :)
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jessica kelly" 
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP in production on Microsoft IIs
> >
> >
> > > IIS is a four letter word as far as I'm concerned. Also everyone needs
>to
> > realize that as web/PHP developers we are often stuck with what we have,
>not
> > what we would rather have. If IIS didn't have such a sordid security past
>we
> > would be running it here and I would have absolutely no say in the matter.
>I
> > wanted to put Linux on the server and they put Advanced Server 2000 on it.
>I
> > scream, yet no one hears...
> > >
> > > The site is for a very small community college and it gets very few, if
> > any, concurrent hits on the PHP/MySQL portion of it and I have plenty of
> > room for multiple users config wise.
> > >
> > > I still think that Alan should use CGI instead of the module. It is
>flaky.
> > >
> > > Thank's Guys
> > > Jessica
> > >
> > > >>> zala007 at hotmail.com 12/23/02 10:44:09 AM >>>
> > > Miss/Mrs. Jessiaca Kelly,
> > >
> > > Better to use PHP and related softwares on Linux machine rather than on
> > > Microsoft based OSs :) ? This is like running your Ferrari car on Diesel
> > > rather than on Gas.I really wonder. Hard to change everything, once set
>up
> > on Window's
> > > environment but "Better" to move on Linux.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Anirudh Zala
> > > >>>
> > > I suggest running IIS and PHP on Windows 2000 Server, or Advanced
>Server.
> > > There may be a couple configuration things you might want to look
>into...
> > > (how many users at a time? etc, etc)
> > > Also, you're going to want to look into MySQL's (or whatever other
> > database
> > > you're using) configuration, too... (again, amount of users at the same
> > > time)...
> > > Those are the only real obvious things I can think of, if I can come up
> > with
> > > anything else, I'll be sure to let you know.
> > > Good luck.
> > > -Brad.
> > >
> > > >From: "jessica kelly" 
> > > >Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Eventually, both IIS and Cold Fusion will be gone, I just need to
>work
> > > > > around some of it for now and we only have one production server at
> > the
> > > > > moment to mess around with. I would really like to know if the
> > > > >phpisapi.dll is relatively stable, and would like to hear if anyone
>has
> > > >actually used
> > > > >it in a production environment.
> > > >
> > > >Alan,
> > > >
> > > >I use the module on a apache server 1.3.xx on a Win Advanced Server
>2000
> > > >and it is a bit flaky at times. It seems to just stop working. The site
> > > >does not get a lot of hits and the PHP seems to crap out when you need
>to
> > > >enter info into a MySQL DB. This doesn't happen often but about once a
> > week
> > > >and is frustrating the person entering the data (myself also!).
> > > >
> > > >I have been told to avoid using the module from persons on this list
> > > >(Thank's Daniel!) because of this and am currently trying to get it to
> > work
> > > >as CGI on my test server then I'll switch the other server over.
> > > >
> > > >Jessica
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From dan at dwc.to  Mon Dec 23 22:09:45 2002
From: dan at dwc.to (Dan Horning)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:09:45 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
In-Reply-To: <200212240222.gBO2MUSt000149@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000101c2aaf9$e9ec95d0$8ec484d0@dwchome>

On the note of a photo gallery .. 
The gallery mentioned back a few messages ago .. It really does take
care of everything.. Including controlling permissions if you need to do
so... 
If you want to see a site that's using the software (integrated within a
postnuke - a feature of the gallery) check out 
http://www.conwayentertainment.com/
And I just added a small addition of being able to send an ecard of any
of the pictures with ecards (again a postnuke module set)

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 Dsoundmn's Web Creations
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From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Mon Dec 23 23:07:47 2002
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 23:07:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
In-Reply-To: <200212240309.gBO39SSt000394@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

site looks good, and the gallery looks great, nice and clean and good
navigation.  However, I'm still just looking for the ability to manipulate
images - my latest (and greatest) problem is that the host that my site is
sitting on is on (get this) PHP4.0.3 - which does not allow the previously
mentioned gallery program to run (or configure) - so I'm trying to get the
netPBM library set up and just to use that to manipulate images, but so far
no luck - I know I'm on apache, and I think the software I'm on is Tomcat
(is that right???) - or maybe Sparc - can someone let me know how to find
out what software is running on my server.  I'm not very good with Unix, so
I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be doing with the netPBM library ... can
anyone out there help?

Thanks all.  C

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Dan Horning [mailto:dan at dwc.to]
-> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:09 PM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] photo album
->
->
-> On the note of a photo gallery ..
-> The gallery mentioned back a few messages ago .. It really does take
-> care of everything.. Including controlling permissions if you need to do
-> so...
-> If you want to see a site that's using the software (integrated within a
-> postnuke - a feature of the gallery) check out
-> http://www.conwayentertainment.com/
-> And I just added a small addition of being able to send an ecard of any
-> of the pictures with ecards (again a postnuke module set)
->
-> From the Desk of:
-> Dan Horning     Owner
->  Dsoundmn's Web Creations
-> Dsoundmn's Web Creations
-> PO Box 109 Clifton Park, NY 12065-0109
-> Email: info at dwc.to
-> ------
-> Online on
-> AIM - dsoundmn (or dsoundmn1 for emergencies)
-> ICQ - 14308614
-> MSN - dan at dwc.to
-> YIM - dsoundmn
->
->
->
->
->
->
-> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
->
->
->

From winston at xylophage.com  Tue Dec 24 01:13:04 2002
From: winston at xylophage.com (Winston Churchill-Joell)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 01:13:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
In-Reply-To: <200212240408.gBO486St000701@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

phpinfo();

Will give you a full breakdown of the version and configuration of PHP
you're running, you're machine's OS and version as well as a multitude of
other useful information.

On 12/23/02 11:08 PM, "Christopher Hendry"  wrote:

> site looks good, and the gallery looks great, nice and clean and good
> navigation.  However, I'm still just looking for the ability to manipulate
> images - my latest (and greatest) problem is that the host that my site is
> sitting on is on (get this) PHP4.0.3 - which does not allow the previously
> mentioned gallery program to run (or configure) - so I'm trying to get the
> netPBM library set up and just to use that to manipulate images, but so far
> no luck - I know I'm on apache, and I think the software I'm on is Tomcat
> (is that right???) - or maybe Sparc - can someone let me know how to find
> out what software is running on my server.  I'm not very good with Unix, so
> I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be doing with the netPBM library ... can
> anyone out there help?
> 
> Thanks all.  C
> 
> -> -----Original Message-----
> -> From: Dan Horning [mailto:dan at dwc.to]
> -> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:09 PM
> -> To: NYPHP Talk
> -> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] photo album
> ->
> ->
> -> On the note of a photo gallery ..
> -> The gallery mentioned back a few messages ago .. It really does take
> -> care of everything.. Including controlling permissions if you need to do
> -> so...
> -> If you want to see a site that's using the software (integrated within a
> -> postnuke - a feature of the gallery) check out
> -> http://www.conwayentertainment.com/
> -> And I just added a small addition of being able to send an ecard of any
> -> of the pictures with ecards (again a postnuke module set)
> ->
> -> From the Desk of:
> -> Dan Horning     Owner
> ->  Dsoundmn's Web Creations
> -> Dsoundmn's Web Creations
> -> PO Box 109 Clifton Park, NY 12065-0109
> -> Email: info at dwc.to
> -> ------
> -> Online on
> -> AIM - dsoundmn (or dsoundmn1 for emergencies)
> -> ICQ - 14308614
> -> MSN - dan at dwc.to
> -> YIM - dsoundmn
> ->
> ->
> ->
> ->
> ->
> ->
> -> 
> ->
> ->
> ->
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Tue Dec 24 07:47:32 2002
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 07:47:32 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
In-Reply-To: <200212240613.gBO6DESt001441@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

yeah - call me a fool - but I'm not quite sure how to read phpinfo(), is it
in this line (ie, sparc?):

SunOS no10 5.7 Generic_106541-08 sun4u sparc SUNW,UltraSPARC-IIi-Engine

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Winston Churchill-Joell [mailto:winston at xylophage.com]
-> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:13 AM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] photo album
->
->
-> phpinfo();
->
-> Will give you a full breakdown of the version and configuration of PHP
-> you're running, you're machine's OS and version as well as a multitude of
-> other useful information.
->
-> On 12/23/02 11:08 PM, "Christopher Hendry"  wrote:
->
-> > site looks good, and the gallery looks great, nice and clean and good
-> > navigation.  However, I'm still just looking for the ability
-> to manipulate
-> > images - my latest (and greatest) problem is that the host
-> that my site is
-> > sitting on is on (get this) PHP4.0.3 - which does not allow
-> the previously
-> > mentioned gallery program to run (or configure) - so I'm
-> trying to get the
-> > netPBM library set up and just to use that to manipulate
-> images, but so far
-> > no luck - I know I'm on apache, and I think the software I'm
-> on is Tomcat
-> > (is that right???) - or maybe Sparc - can someone let me know
-> how to find
-> > out what software is running on my server.  I'm not very good
-> with Unix, so
-> > I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be doing with the netPBM
-> library ... can
-> > anyone out there help?
-> >
-> > Thanks all.  C
-> >
-> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> > -> From: Dan Horning [mailto:dan at dwc.to]
-> > -> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:09 PM
-> > -> To: NYPHP Talk
-> > -> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] photo album
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> On the note of a photo gallery ..
-> > -> The gallery mentioned back a few messages ago .. It really does take
-> > -> care of everything.. Including controlling permissions if
-> you need to do
-> > -> so...
-> > -> If you want to see a site that's using the software
-> (integrated within a
-> > -> postnuke - a feature of the gallery) check out
-> > -> http://www.conwayentertainment.com/
-> > -> And I just added a small addition of being able to send an
-> ecard of any
-> > -> of the pictures with ecards (again a postnuke module set)
-> > ->
-> > -> From the Desk of:
-> > -> Dan Horning     Owner
-> > ->  Dsoundmn's Web Creations
-> > -> Dsoundmn's Web Creations
-> > -> PO Box 109 Clifton Park, NY 12065-0109
-> > -> Email: info at dwc.to
-> > -> ------
-> > -> Online on
-> > -> AIM - dsoundmn (or dsoundmn1 for emergencies)
-> > -> ICQ - 14308614
-> > -> MSN - dan at dwc.to
-> > -> YIM - dsoundmn
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
->
->
->
-> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
->
->

From dg_francisco at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 24 09:19:46 2002
From: dg_francisco at hotmail.com (Francisco Marin)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:19:46 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
References: <200212241248.gBOCm2St003689@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

One More Way to Handle Images which we used at my previous job:

The form will upload the file and rename it as a random generated number ( I
believe it was 8 digits long). There was a folder called images and then
inside this folder there were 10 folders named 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and 9. Once
the image is renamed, the program looks at the last digit of the name and
puts it in that directory. Obviously the name of the image was entered in
the DB. It may sound a little bit complicated but once we set it up it was
very easy to handle images since we had about 10000 images of Artists and CD
covers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Hendry" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 7:48 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] photo album

> yeah - call me a fool - but I'm not quite sure how to read phpinfo(), is
it
> in this line (ie, sparc?):
>
> SunOS no10 5.7 Generic_106541-08 sun4u sparc SUNW,UltraSPARC-IIi-Engine
>
> -> -----Original Message-----
> -> From: Winston Churchill-Joell [mailto:winston at xylophage.com]
> -> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:13 AM
> -> To: NYPHP Talk
> -> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] photo album
> ->
> ->
> -> phpinfo();
> ->
> -> Will give you a full breakdown of the version and configuration of PHP
> -> you're running, you're machine's OS and version as well as a multitude
of
> -> other useful information.
> ->
> -> On 12/23/02 11:08 PM, "Christopher Hendry"  wrote:
> ->
> -> > site looks good, and the gallery looks great, nice and clean and good
> -> > navigation.  However, I'm still just looking for the ability
> -> to manipulate
> -> > images - my latest (and greatest) problem is that the host
> -> that my site is
> -> > sitting on is on (get this) PHP4.0.3 - which does not allow
> -> the previously
> -> > mentioned gallery program to run (or configure) - so I'm
> -> trying to get the
> -> > netPBM library set up and just to use that to manipulate
> -> images, but so far
> -> > no luck - I know I'm on apache, and I think the software I'm
> -> on is Tomcat
> -> > (is that right???) - or maybe Sparc - can someone let me know
> -> how to find
> -> > out what software is running on my server.  I'm not very good
> -> with Unix, so
> -> > I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be doing with the netPBM
> -> library ... can
> -> > anyone out there help?
> -> >
> -> > Thanks all.  C
> -> >
> -> > -> -----Original Message-----
> -> > -> From: Dan Horning [mailto:dan at dwc.to]
> -> > -> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:09 PM
> -> > -> To: NYPHP Talk
> -> > -> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] photo album
> -> > ->
> -> > ->
> -> > -> On the note of a photo gallery ..
> -> > -> The gallery mentioned back a few messages ago .. It really does
take
> -> > -> care of everything.. Including controlling permissions if
> -> you need to do
> -> > -> so...
> -> > -> If you want to see a site that's using the software
> -> (integrated within a
> -> > -> postnuke - a feature of the gallery) check out
> -> > -> http://www.conwayentertainment.com/
> -> > -> And I just added a small addition of being able to send an
> -> ecard of any
> -> > -> of the pictures with ecards (again a postnuke module set)
> -> > ->
> -> > -> From the Desk of:
> -> > -> Dan Horning     Owner
> -> > ->  Dsoundmn's Web Creations
> -> > -> Dsoundmn's Web Creations
> -> > -> PO Box 109 Clifton Park, NY 12065-0109
> -> > -> Email: info at dwc.to
> -> > -> ------
> -> > -> Online on
> -> > -> AIM - dsoundmn (or dsoundmn1 for emergencies)
> -> > -> ICQ - 14308614
> -> > -> MSN - dan at dwc.to
> -> > -> YIM - dsoundmn
> -> > ->
> -> > ->
> -> > ->
> -> > ->
> -> > ->
> -> > ->
> -> > ->
> -> > ->
> -> > ->
> -> > ->
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >
> ->
> ->
> ->
> ->
> ->
> ->
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>

From chun_lam at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 24 09:58:28 2002
From: chun_lam at hotmail.com (CHUN-YIU LAM)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:58:28 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
Message-ID: 

If you are reading it by eye, you make a page like below:

and you save it.  Call it from a browser.  The setting and version with show 
up there.  If you are reading the info from a PHP script.  You have to use 
ini_get() function, because all these info are in php.ini file.

Matthew

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yeah - call me a fool - but I'm not quite sure how to read phpinfo(), is it
in this line (ie, sparc?):

SunOS no10 5.7 Generic_106541-08 sun4u sparc SUNW,UltraSPARC-IIi-Engine

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Winston Churchill-Joell [mailto:winston at xylophage.com]
-> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:13 AM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] photo album
->
->
-> phpinfo();
->
-> Will give you a full breakdown of the version and configuration of PHP
-> you're running, you're machine's OS and version as well as a multitude of
-> other useful information.
->
-> On 12/23/02 11:08 PM, "Christopher Hendry"  wrote:
->
-> > site looks good, and the gallery looks great, nice and clean and good
-> > navigation.  However, I'm still just looking for the ability
-> to manipulate
-> > images - my latest (and greatest) problem is that the host
-> that my site is
-> > sitting on is on (get this) PHP4.0.3 - which does not allow
-> the previously
-> > mentioned gallery program to run (or configure) - so I'm
-> trying to get the
-> > netPBM library set up and just to use that to manipulate
-> images, but so far
-> > no luck - I know I'm on apache, and I think the software I'm
-> on is Tomcat
-> > (is that right???) - or maybe Sparc - can someone let me know
-> how to find
-> > out what software is running on my server.  I'm not very good
-> with Unix, so
-> > I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be doing with the netPBM
-> library ... can
-> > anyone out there help?
-> >
-> > Thanks all.  C
-> >
-> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> > -> From: Dan Horning [mailto:dan at dwc.to]
-> > -> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:09 PM
-> > -> To: NYPHP Talk
-> > -> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] photo album
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> On the note of a photo gallery ..
-> > -> The gallery mentioned back a few messages ago .. It really does take
-> > -> care of everything.. Including controlling permissions if
-> you need to do
-> > -> so...
-> > -> If you want to see a site that's using the software
-> (integrated within a
-> > -> postnuke - a feature of the gallery) check out
-> > -> http://www.conwayentertainment.com/
-> > -> And I just added a small addition of being able to send an
-> ecard of any
-> > -> of the pictures with ecards (again a postnuke module set)
-> > ->
-> > -> From the Desk of:
-> > -> Dan Horning     Owner
-> > ->  Dsoundmn's Web Creations
-> > -> Dsoundmn's Web Creations
-> > -> PO Box 109 Clifton Park, NY 12065-0109
-> > -> Email: info at dwc.to
-> > -> ------
-> > -> Online on
-> > -> AIM - dsoundmn (or dsoundmn1 for emergencies)
-> > -> ICQ - 14308614
-> > -> MSN - dan at dwc.to
-> > -> YIM - dsoundmn
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
->
->
->
->
->
->

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From mike at hilliardfarber.com  Tue Dec 24 11:26:38 2002
From: mike at hilliardfarber.com (Michael J Lee)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:26:38 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
In-Reply-To: <200212241458.gBOEwYSt004301@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

Hey All,
Thanks for all the replies and the help - I decided to go with the gallery
option but I'm running into a problem.  Anyone running gallery on dreamhost?
Their my hosting comp. and there is some info on how to get gallery working
on it but it's not working for me.  They apparently cut off access to
certain functions like exec() and stuff for sec. reasons so there is a
workaround using pcgi file formats (basically running the php as a cgi
script).  I'm still working with the techs on trying to figure out other
problems I'm having (locks and so on).  Could just be that I royally screwed
up the install  . . who knows =)  Any suggestions are welcome thanks!

Mike

From LarryC at indexstock.com  Tue Dec 24 12:46:56 2002
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 12:46:56 -0500
Subject: Digital Asset Management
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C91AEB9C1@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

Does any know of any digital asset management software, preferably an
open-source?  The one based on PHP would be great.  Heck, we can't expect to
have everything our way. :)

Thanks and happy holidays!

Larry 

From mike at hilliardfarber.com  Tue Dec 24 13:59:28 2002
From: mike at hilliardfarber.com (Michael J Lee)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 13:59:28 -0500
Subject: Calender App
In-Reply-To: <200212241458.gBOEwYSt004301@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

Hi Again,
I've got another request of the group.  I'm wondering if anyone has
used/recommends a php/mysql based calender app that shows events - enter
events, edit, etc.  I setting up my church youthgroups site and I need a
calender to help keep track of various events and stuff.  Thanks for all the
help - still working with dreamhost about gallery.

Mike

From billpatterson48 at netscape.net  Wed Dec 25 01:26:13 2002
From: billpatterson48 at netscape.net (please reply to "patterson@computer.org")
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 01:26:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
Message-ID: <4BDFDE3E.72633187.C9B8F45B@netscape.net>

It would be better to keep a max-id in a central location.  Keep max-id in its own 1-row table and bump max-id everytime a new request comes in for a new-unique-file-name, then incorporate it in the file name returned.  The problem with an 8 digit random number is that at a very short time you will end up with a collision (the odds are not 1 in 10^8 that your system will experience a collision but are much less because each file id is competing with each other one).

Bill

"Francisco Marin"  wrote:

>One More Way to Handle Images which we used at my previous job:
>
>The form will upload the file and rename it as a random generated number ( I
>believe it was 8 digits long). There was a folder called images and then
>inside this folder there were 10 folders named 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and 9. Once
>the image is renamed, the program looks at the last digit of the name and
>puts it in that directory. Obviously the name of the image was entered in
>the DB. It may sound a little bit complicated but once we set it up it was
>very easy to handle images since we had about 10000 images of Artists and CD
>covers.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Christopher Hendry" 
>To: "NYPHP Talk" 
>Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 7:48 AM
>Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] photo album
>
>
>> yeah - call me a fool - but I'm not quite sure how to read phpinfo(), is
>it
>> in this line (ie, sparc?):
>>
>> SunOS no10 5.7 Generic_106541-08 sun4u sparc SUNW,UltraSPARC-IIi-Engine
>>
>> -> -----Original Message-----
>> -> From: Winston Churchill-Joell [mailto:winston at xylophage.com]
>> -> Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 1:13 AM
>> -> To: NYPHP Talk
>> -> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] photo album
>> ->
>> ->
>> -> phpinfo();
>> ->
>> -> Will give you a full breakdown of the version and configuration of PHP
>> -> you're running, you're machine's OS and version as well as a multitude
>of
>> -> other useful information.
>> ->
>> -> On 12/23/02 11:08 PM, "Christopher Hendry"  wrote:
>> ->
>> -> > site looks good, and the gallery looks great, nice and clean and good
>> -> > navigation. ?However, I'm still just looking for the ability
>> -> to manipulate
>> -> > images - my latest (and greatest) problem is that the host
>> -> that my site is
>> -> > sitting on is on (get this) PHP4.0.3 - which does not allow
>> -> the previously
>> -> > mentioned gallery program to run (or configure) - so I'm
>> -> trying to get the
>> -> > netPBM library set up and just to use that to manipulate
>> -> images, but so far
>> -> > no luck - I know I'm on apache, and I think the software I'm
>> -> on is Tomcat
>> -> > (is that right???) - or maybe Sparc - can someone let me know
>> -> how to find
>> -> > out what software is running on my server. ?I'm not very good
>> -> with Unix, so
>> -> > I'm not sure what I'm supposed to be doing with the netPBM
>> -> library ... can
>> -> > anyone out there help?
>> -> >
>> -> > Thanks all. ?C
>> -> >
>> -> > -> -----Original Message-----
>> -> > -> From: Dan Horning [mailto:dan at dwc.to]
>> -> > -> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:09 PM
>> -> > -> To: NYPHP Talk
>> -> > -> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] photo album
>> -> > ->
>> -> > ->
>> -> > -> On the note of a photo gallery ..
>> -> > -> The gallery mentioned back a few messages ago .. It really does
>take
>> -> > -> care of everything.. Including controlling permissions if
>> -> you need to do
>> -> > -> so...
>> -> > -> If you want to see a site that's using the software
>> -> (integrated within a
>> -> > -> postnuke - a feature of the gallery) check out
>> -> > -> http://www.conwayentertainment.com/
>> -> > -> And I just added a small addition of being able to send an
>> -> ecard of any
>> -> > -> of the pictures with ecards (again a postnuke module set)
>> -> > ->
>> -> > -> From the Desk of:
>> -> > -> Dan Horning ? ? Owner
>> -> > -> ?Dsoundmn's Web Creations
>> -> > -> Dsoundmn's Web Creations
>> -> > -> PO Box 109 Clifton Park, NY 12065-0109
>> -> > -> Email: info at dwc.to
>> -> > -> ------
>> -> > -> Online on
>> -> > -> AIM - dsoundmn (or dsoundmn1 for emergencies)
>> -> > -> ICQ - 14308614
>> -> > -> MSN - dan at dwc.to
>> -> > -> YIM - dsoundmn
>> -> > ->
>> -> > ->
>> -> > ->
>> -> > ->
>> -> > ->
>> -> > ->
>> -> > ->
>> -> > ->
>> -> > ->
>> -> > ->
>> -> >
>> -> >
>> -> >
>> -> >
>> -> >
>> -> >
>> -> >
>> -> >
>> ->
>> ->
>> ->
>> ->
>> ->
>> ->
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>
>
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From chun_lam at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 25 12:26:12 2002
From: chun_lam at hotmail.com (CHUN-YIU LAM)
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 12:26:12 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Calender App
Message-ID: 

check on www.zend.com There is a tutorial of how to set up a calendar site.  
You can take that as your sample.

Matthew

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Hi Again,
I've got another request of the group.  I'm wondering if anyone has
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From fields at surgam.net  Thu Dec 26 11:07:06 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:07:06 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] photo album
In-Reply-To: <200212250626.gBP6QNSt008792@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200212250626.gBP6QNSt008792@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021226160706.GB7015@eye.surgam.net>

On Wed, Dec 25, 2002 at 01:26:23AM -0500, billpatterson48 at netscape.net wrote:
> It would be better to keep a max-id in a central location.  Keep
> max-id in its own 1-row table and bump max-id everytime a new
> request comes in for a new-unique-file-name, then incorporate it in
> the file name returned.  The problem with an 8 digit random number
> is that at a very short time you will end up with a collision (the
> odds are not 1 in 10^8 that your system will experience a collision
> but are much less because each file id is competing with each other
> one).

Generated random numbers should be fine if you append them to some
string that corresponds to what the image in.

>From experience, it is not a good idea to take a bunch of images and
rename them to random or sequential numbers - it makes it impossible
for a human to look at a file listing and see what you've got.

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com

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From soazine at erols.com  Sat Dec 28 14:24:09 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:24:09 -0500
Subject: Sorry, really stupid question...
Message-ID: <016001c2aea6$b2e4f9f0$2aaf6244@scandinawa1bo6>

Honestly, what does this do:

$fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", "a") or die("Could not open " . $path . "/nicknames.txt");
   chmod("nicknames.txt", 0755);
   fputs($fileID, $nickname . "\
"); fflush($fileID); fclose($fileID);

What does it EXACTLY do?  What I'm trying to do is very very simple:  I have the nickname of "phil" and I add it to nicknames.txt as "phil" + "\
".  The next person adds his name as "bob" + "\
".  However, this happens:

phil
philbob

Is it due to the way I'm adding to the file?  Can someone show me how to append to a file properly without carrying over persistent existing data like what you see above, instead having it like this:

phil
bob

Thanx, I'm lost here.

Phil
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sat Dec 28 14:56:45 2002
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:56:45 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
In-Reply-To: <200212281926.gBSJQTSt036236@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200212281926.gBSJQTSt036236@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021228195645.GA25739@panix.com>

On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 02:26:29PM -0500, Phil Powell wrote:

> $fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", "a") or die("Could not open " . $path . "/nicknames.txt");
>    chmod("nicknames.txt", 0755);
>    fputs($fileID, $nickname . "\
"); fflush($fileID); fclose($fileID);

Let's rewrite this in more efficient, readable code...
   $File = '/path/to/nicknames.txt';
   $fileID = fopen($File, 'a') or die("Could not open $File");
   fputs($fileID, "$nickname\
");

Key changes...
   * Have the file chmoded in the first place, not every time you open it 
     up, nor while you have it open already.
   * Changed double quotes to single quotes in fopen statement.  Double 
     quotes only needed when strings are evaluated (have variables in 
     them).
   * fflush() isn't needed at all.
   * fclose() happens automatically when the script ends, so is 
     only helpful when you have a long script.

--Dan

-- 
               PHP classes that make web design easier
    SqlSolution.info  | LayoutSolution.info |  FormSolution.info
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
 4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409

From fields at surgam.net  Sat Dec 28 15:18:17 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:18:17 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
In-Reply-To: <200212281956.gBSJupSt036404@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200212281956.gBSJupSt036404@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021228201817.GJ17012@eye.surgam.net>

On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 02:56:51PM -0500, Analysis & Solutions wrote:
>    * fclose() happens automatically when the script ends, so is 
>      only helpful when you have a long script.

Still, it's a good habit to close resources you open.

But you still didn't answer the original question.

Phil, what is the rest of the code doing?

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com

From soazine at erols.com  Sat Dec 28 15:29:50 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:29:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
References: <200212281956.gBSJupSt036404@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <017401c2aeaf$df416570$2aaf6244@scandinawa1bo6>

Why is fflush() not needed?

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Analysis & Solutions" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...

> On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 02:26:29PM -0500, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> > $fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", "a") or die("Could not open " . $path .
"/nicknames.txt");
> >    chmod("nicknames.txt", 0755);
> >    fputs($fileID, $nickname . "\
"); fflush($fileID); fclose($fileID);
>
> Let's rewrite this in more efficient, readable code...
>    $File = '/path/to/nicknames.txt';
>    $fileID = fopen($File, 'a') or die("Could not open $File");
>    fputs($fileID, "$nickname\
");
>
> Key changes...
>    * Have the file chmoded in the first place, not every time you open it
>      up, nor while you have it open already.
>    * Changed double quotes to single quotes in fopen statement.  Double
>      quotes only needed when strings are evaluated (have variables in
>      them).
>    * fflush() isn't needed at all.
>    * fclose() happens automatically when the script ends, so is
>      only helpful when you have a long script.
>
> --Dan
>
> --
>                PHP classes that make web design easier
>     SqlSolution.info  | LayoutSolution.info |  FormSolution.info
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>

From soazine at erols.com  Sat Dec 28 15:30:41 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:30:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
References: <200212282018.gBSKIVSt036519@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <017a01c2aeaf$fdb0fde0$2aaf6244@scandinawa1bo6>

Adam, it's a lot more complicated than I thought.  Basically, it involves 3
PHP files and 4 TCL files, along with 2 flat text files.  I will have to
tackle this on my own unless you want to view about 11 files including HTML.

Sorry

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Fields" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...

> On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 02:56:51PM -0500, Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> >    * fclose() happens automatically when the script ends, so is
> >      only helpful when you have a long script.
>
> Still, it's a good habit to close resources you open.
>
> But you still didn't answer the original question.
>
> Phil, what is the rest of the code doing?
>
> --
> - Adam
>
> -----
> Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
> Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
> delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
> http://www.adamfields.com
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>

From soazine at erols.com  Sat Dec 28 15:32:21 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:32:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
References: <200212281956.gBSJupSt036404@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <018401c2aeb0$396f7c80$2aaf6244@scandinawa1bo6>

"Have the file chmoded"...

You completely lost me.  How can I chmod a file I have not yet opened?

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Analysis & Solutions" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...

> On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 02:26:29PM -0500, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> > $fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", "a") or die("Could not open " . $path .
"/nicknames.txt");
> >    chmod("nicknames.txt", 0755);
> >    fputs($fileID, $nickname . "\
"); fflush($fileID); fclose($fileID);
>
> Let's rewrite this in more efficient, readable code...
>    $File = '/path/to/nicknames.txt';
>    $fileID = fopen($File, 'a') or die("Could not open $File");
>    fputs($fileID, "$nickname\
");
>
> Key changes...
>    * Have the file chmoded in the first place, not every time you open it
>      up, nor while you have it open already.
>    * Changed double quotes to single quotes in fopen statement.  Double
>      quotes only needed when strings are evaluated (have variables in
>      them).
>    * fflush() isn't needed at all.
>    * fclose() happens automatically when the script ends, so is
>      only helpful when you have a long script.
>
> --Dan
>
> --
>                PHP classes that make web design easier
>     SqlSolution.info  | LayoutSolution.info |  FormSolution.info
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>

From sterling at bumblebury.com  Sat Dec 28 15:50:51 2002
From: sterling at bumblebury.com (Sterling Hughes)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:50:51 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
In-Reply-To: <200212282034.gBSKYeSt036621@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200212282034.gBSKYeSt036621@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021228205051.GG78185@bumblebury.com>

> "Have the file chmoded"...
> 
>You completely lost me.  How can I chmod a file I have not yet opened?
>

You can chmod a file at anytime, whether it is open or not.  at the command
line you use the chmod command.

In response to the various fclose() message:
    fclose() is *never* necessary.  not even in long scripts, short scripts
    or medium sized scripts. PHP 4 is reference counted, meaning when 
    the file pointer variable is no longer referenced in the script it is
    automatically cleaned up.

-Sterling

> Phil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Analysis & Solutions" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
> 
> 
> > On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 02:26:29PM -0500, Phil Powell wrote:
> >
> > > $fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", "a") or die("Could not open " . $path .
> "/nicknames.txt");
> > >    chmod("nicknames.txt", 0755);
> > >    fputs($fileID, $nickname . "\
"); fflush($fileID); fclose($fileID);
> >
> > Let's rewrite this in more efficient, readable code...
> >    $File = '/path/to/nicknames.txt';
> >    $fileID = fopen($File, 'a') or die("Could not open $File");
> >    fputs($fileID, "$nickname\
");
> >
> > Key changes...
> >    * Have the file chmoded in the first place, not every time you open it
> >      up, nor while you have it open already.
> >    * Changed double quotes to single quotes in fopen statement.  Double
> >      quotes only needed when strings are evaluated (have variables in
> >      them).
> >    * fflush() isn't needed at all.
> >    * fclose() happens automatically when the script ends, so is
> >      only helpful when you have a long script.
> >
> > --Dan
> >
> > --
> >                PHP classes that make web design easier
> >     SqlSolution.info  | LayoutSolution.info |  FormSolution.info
> >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> >  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 

From fields at surgam.net  Sat Dec 28 15:55:43 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:55:43 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
In-Reply-To: <200212282033.gBSKX0St036604@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200212282033.gBSKX0St036604@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021228205543.GN17012@eye.surgam.net>

On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:33:00PM -0500, Phil Powell wrote:
> Adam, it's a lot more complicated than I thought.  Basically, it involves 3
> PHP files and 4 TCL files, along with 2 flat text files.  I will have to
> tackle this on my own unless you want to view about 11 files including HTML.

Well, you could always hire me to consult on it. Contact me offlist if
you're interested in that.

But it sounds like the problem is that the variable isn't getting
correctly reset between instances.

> Sorry
> 
> Phil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adam Fields" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 3:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
> 
> 
> > On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 02:56:51PM -0500, Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> > >    * fclose() happens automatically when the script ends, so is
> > >      only helpful when you have a long script.
> >
> > Still, it's a good habit to close resources you open.
> >
> > But you still didn't answer the original question.
> >
> > Phil, what is the rest of the code doing?
> >
> > --
> > - Adam
> >
> > -----
> > Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
> > Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
> > delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
> > http://www.adamfields.com
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com

From bit5hift at ethernet.tk  Sat Dec 28 15:57:19 2002
From: bit5hift at ethernet.tk (bit5hift at ethernet.tk)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:57:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
In-Reply-To: <200212282034.gBSKYeSt036621@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200212282034.gBSKYeSt036621@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021228205719.GA17936@burnt.ethernet.tk>

On Sat, 2002-12-28, Phil Powell wrote:
> "Have the file chmoded"...
> 
> You completely lost me.  How can I chmod a file I have not yet opened?

chmod the file in your *nix shell.
not in the php script.

> 
> Phil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Analysis & Solutions" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
> 
> 
> > On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 02:26:29PM -0500, Phil Powell wrote:
> >
> > > $fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", "a") or die("Could not open " . $path .
> "/nicknames.txt");
> > >    chmod("nicknames.txt", 0755);
> > >    fputs($fileID, $nickname . "\
"); fflush($fileID); fclose($fileID);
> >
> > Let's rewrite this in more efficient, readable code...
> >    $File = '/path/to/nicknames.txt';
> >    $fileID = fopen($File, 'a') or die("Could not open $File");
> >    fputs($fileID, "$nickname\
");
> >
> > Key changes...
> >    * Have the file chmoded in the first place, not every time you open it
> >      up, nor while you have it open already.
> >    * Changed double quotes to single quotes in fopen statement.  Double
> >      quotes only needed when strings are evaluated (have variables in
> >      them).
> >    * fflush() isn't needed at all.
> >    * fclose() happens automatically when the script ends, so is
> >      only helpful when you have a long script.
> >
> > --Dan
> >
> > --
> >                PHP classes that make web design easier
> >     SqlSolution.info  | LayoutSolution.info |  FormSolution.info
> >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> >  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 

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From fields at surgam.net  Sat Dec 28 16:01:10 2002
From: fields at surgam.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:01:10 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
In-Reply-To: <200212282034.gBSKYeSt036621@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200212282034.gBSKYeSt036621@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021228210110.GO17012@eye.surgam.net>

On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:34:40PM -0500, Phil Powell wrote:
> "Have the file chmoded"...
> 
> You completely lost me.  How can I chmod a file I have not yet opened?

chmod() is a standalone function, and not part of the stream
read/write set. You don't have to have the file open to use it. It's
as if you called chmod directly from the shell.

You do, however, need to supply it a full path.

You may need to use fflush, if you run into buffering issues. Under
normal conditions, you shouldn't have to. You can explicitly use
stream_set_write_buffer to configure your stream for no buffering, but
again, unless you have a good reason to do so, you shouldn't.

> Phil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Analysis & Solutions" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 2:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
> 
> 
> > On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 02:26:29PM -0500, Phil Powell wrote:
> >
> > > $fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", "a") or die("Could not open " . $path .
> "/nicknames.txt");
> > >    chmod("nicknames.txt", 0755);
> > >    fputs($fileID, $nickname . "\
"); fflush($fileID); fclose($fileID);
> >
> > Let's rewrite this in more efficient, readable code...
> >    $File = '/path/to/nicknames.txt';
> >    $fileID = fopen($File, 'a') or die("Could not open $File");
> >    fputs($fileID, "$nickname\
");
> >
> > Key changes...
> >    * Have the file chmoded in the first place, not every time you open it
> >      up, nor while you have it open already.
> >    * Changed double quotes to single quotes in fopen statement.  Double
> >      quotes only needed when strings are evaluated (have variables in
> >      them).
> >    * fflush() isn't needed at all.
> >    * fclose() happens automatically when the script ends, so is
> >      only helpful when you have a long script.
> >
> > --Dan
> >
> > --
> >                PHP classes that make web design easier
> >     SqlSolution.info  | LayoutSolution.info |  FormSolution.info
> >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> >  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 

-- 
				- Adam

-----
Adam Fields, Managing Partner, fields at surgam.net
Surgam, Inc. is a technology consulting firm with strong background in
delivering scalable and robust enterprise web and IT applications.
http://www.adamfields.com

From bradley at bestweb.net  Sat Dec 28 16:49:25 2002
From: bradley at bestweb.net (Bradley Baumann)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 16:49:25 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
References: <200212282057.gBSKvPSt036842@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <005101c2aeba$fd9118d0$0300a8c0@prophxp>

Just to clear up what may seem to be a very universal statement,
I think that for this script chmod the *nix shell would be a better idea...

But also know that sometimes it IS appropriate to chmod with a PHP script.
For example, sometimes while making directories, or uploading files.

Good luck.
-Bradley

----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...

> On Sat, 2002-12-28, Phil Powell wrote:
> > "Have the file chmoded"...
> >
> > You completely lost me.  How can I chmod a file I have not yet opened?
>
> chmod the file in your *nix shell.
> not in the php script.
>
> >
> > Phil
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Analysis & Solutions" 
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 2:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
> >
> >
> > > On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 02:26:29PM -0500, Phil Powell wrote:
> > >
> > > > $fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", "a") or die("Could not open " .
$path .
> > "/nicknames.txt");
> > > >    chmod("nicknames.txt", 0755);
> > > >    fputs($fileID, $nickname . "\
"); fflush($fileID);
fclose($fileID);
> > >
> > > Let's rewrite this in more efficient, readable code...
> > >    $File = '/path/to/nicknames.txt';
> > >    $fileID = fopen($File, 'a') or die("Could not open $File");
> > >    fputs($fileID, "$nickname\
");
> > >
> > > Key changes...
> > >    * Have the file chmoded in the first place, not every time you open
it
> > >      up, nor while you have it open already.
> > >    * Changed double quotes to single quotes in fopen statement.
Double
> > >      quotes only needed when strings are evaluated (have variables in
> > >      them).
> > >    * fflush() isn't needed at all.
> > >    * fclose() happens automatically when the script ends, so is
> > >      only helpful when you have a long script.
> > >
> > > --Dan
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From chun_lam at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 28 19:10:10 2002
From: chun_lam at hotmail.com (CHUN-YIU LAM)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:10:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
Message-ID: 

$fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", "a") or
   die("Could not open " . $path . "/nicknames.txt");
chmod("nicknames.txt", 0755);
fputs($fileID, $nickname . "\
");
fflush($fileID);
fclose($fileID);

Get this.  This may not be your fault.  If you are looking at it from the 
web brower, you forget to put 
.

Matthew

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From brian at preston-campbell.com  Sat Dec 28 19:40:46 2002
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Brian)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:40:46 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
In-Reply-To: <200212290010.gBT0AJSt037836@parsec.nyphp.org>
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Why chmod 755?  Wouldn't 666 suffice since you are not executing the text 
file?

Brian

On Saturday 28 December 2002 07:10 pm, CHUN-YIU LAM wrote:
> $fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", "a") or
>    die("Could not open " . $path . "/nicknames.txt");
> chmod("nicknames.txt", 0755);
> fputs($fileID, $nickname . "\
");
> fflush($fileID);
> fclose($fileID);
>
> Get this.  This may not be your fault.  If you are looking at it from the
> web brower, you forget to put 
.
>
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From chun_lam at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 28 20:36:05 2002
From: chun_lam at hotmail.com (CHUN-YIU LAM)
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:36:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
Message-ID: 

Another question is why chmod in php script?  Unless you are trying to 
simulate semaphore, you don't need to do chmod in the script. If you are 
trying to simulate semaphore, this is a bad practice. You can do that on the 
shell if we are talking about *nix.  If we are talking about windows, then 
you can forget about it.

Matthew

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Why chmod 755?  Wouldn't 666 suffice since you are not executing the text
file?

Brian

On Saturday 28 December 2002 07:10 pm, CHUN-YIU LAM wrote:
 > $fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", "a") or
 >    die("Could not open " . $path . "/nicknames.txt");
 > chmod("nicknames.txt", 0755);
 > fputs($fileID, $nickname . "\
");
 > fflush($fileID);
 > fclose($fileID);
 >
 > Get this.  This may not be your fault.  If you are looking at it from the
 > web brower, you forget to put 
.
 >
 > Matthew
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From soazine at erols.com  Sun Dec 29 02:07:36 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:07:36 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
References: <200212282055.gBSKtqSt036781@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <01b901c2af08$f79ce910$2aaf6244@scandinawa1bo6>

I'm at -$300.00 in my bank account and maxed out two credit cards.  I can't
hire anything on earth right now. :(

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Fields" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...

> On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:33:00PM -0500, Phil Powell wrote:
> > Adam, it's a lot more complicated than I thought.  Basically, it
involves 3
> > PHP files and 4 TCL files, along with 2 flat text files.  I will have to
> > tackle this on my own unless you want to view about 11 files including
HTML.
>
> Well, you could always hire me to consult on it. Contact me offlist if
> you're interested in that.
>
> But it sounds like the problem is that the variable isn't getting
> correctly reset between instances.
>
> > Sorry
> >
> > Phil
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Adam Fields" 
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 3:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
> >
> >
> > > On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 02:56:51PM -0500, Analysis & Solutions wrote:
> > > >    * fclose() happens automatically when the script ends, so is
> > > >      only helpful when you have a long script.
> > >
> > > Still, it's a good habit to close resources you open.
> > >
> > > But you still didn't answer the original question.
> > >
> > > Phil, what is the rest of the code doing?
> > >
> > > --
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From soazine at erols.com  Sun Dec 29 02:07:58 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:07:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
References: <200212282057.gBSKvPSt036842@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <01bf01c2af09$04d57660$2aaf6244@scandinawa1bo6>

I can't do that, it's a remote server, sorry.

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...

> On Sat, 2002-12-28, Phil Powell wrote:
> > "Have the file chmoded"...
> >
> > You completely lost me.  How can I chmod a file I have not yet opened?
>
> chmod the file in your *nix shell.
> not in the php script.
>
> >
> > Phil
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Analysis & Solutions" 
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 2:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
> >
> >
> > > On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 02:26:29PM -0500, Phil Powell wrote:
> > >
> > > > $fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", "a") or die("Could not open " .
$path .
> > "/nicknames.txt");
> > > >    chmod("nicknames.txt", 0755);
> > > >    fputs($fileID, $nickname . "\
"); fflush($fileID);
fclose($fileID);
> > >
> > > Let's rewrite this in more efficient, readable code...
> > >    $File = '/path/to/nicknames.txt';
> > >    $fileID = fopen($File, 'a') or die("Could not open $File");
> > >    fputs($fileID, "$nickname\
");
> > >
> > > Key changes...
> > >    * Have the file chmoded in the first place, not every time you open
it
> > >      up, nor while you have it open already.
> > >    * Changed double quotes to single quotes in fopen statement.
Double
> > >      quotes only needed when strings are evaluated (have variables in
> > >      them).
> > >    * fflush() isn't needed at all.
> > >    * fclose() happens automatically when the script ends, so is
> > >      only helpful when you have a long script.
> > >
> > > --Dan
> > >
> > > --
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From soazine at erols.com  Sun Dec 29 02:09:40 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:09:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
References: <200212290136.gBT1aLSt038278@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <01d101c2af09$41b1c110$2aaf6244@scandinawa1bo6>

Again, I can't do that.  The file must be set to 0755 and I can only do it
remotely because the chatroom is on a remote server, and I am legally not
allowed to have a webserver running here in Northern Virginia.

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "CHUN-YIU LAM" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...

> Another question is why chmod in php script?  Unless you are trying to
> simulate semaphore, you don't need to do chmod in the script. If you are
> trying to simulate semaphore, this is a bad practice. You can do that on
the
> shell if we are talking about *nix.  If we are talking about windows, then
> you can forget about it.
>
> Matthew
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Brian 
> Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> To: NYPHP Talk 
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
> Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:40:59 -0500
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> Why chmod 755?  Wouldn't 666 suffice since you are not executing the text
> file?
>
> Brian
>
> On Saturday 28 December 2002 07:10 pm, CHUN-YIU LAM wrote:
>  > $fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", "a") or
>  >    die("Could not open " . $path . "/nicknames.txt");
>  > chmod("nicknames.txt", 0755);
>  > fputs($fileID, $nickname . "\
");
>  > fflush($fileID);
>  > fclose($fileID);
>  >
>  > Get this.  This may not be your fault.  If you are looking at it from
the
>  > web brower, you forget to put 
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From soazine at erols.com  Sun Dec 29 04:08:38 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:08:38 -0500
Subject: Warning: 1 is not a valid File-Handle resource - HELP!
Message-ID: <021801c2af19$e05909d0$2aaf6244@scandinawa1bo6>

Ok, I am a bad coder. :(  I can't figure this out at all:

   $fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", 'r');
    $stuff = fread($fileID, filesize("nicknames.txt")); fclose($fileID);
    if (strlen($stuff) > 0) $priorNickNewLine = "\
"; 
    $nicks = explode("\
", $stuff);

The last line produces the Warning.. why?  I am trying to read contents from nicknames.txt and split according to the newline character so that each nickname is an array element.

What did I do wrong? :(

Phil
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From brian at preston-campbell.com  Sun Dec 29 09:21:44 2002
From: brian at preston-campbell.com (Brian)
Date: 29 Dec 2002 09:21:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Warning: 1 is not a valid File-Handle resource -
	HELP!
In-Reply-To: <200212290910.gBT9AxSt040850@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200212290910.gBT9AxSt040850@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1041171710.1767.12.camel@localhost>

Not to add any further confusion if you are simply wish to fix what you
have, but you could read the contents of your textfile into an array
with file()

$nicks = file("nicknames.txt");

// You then use rtrim() to remove any unwanted whitespace,newlines, or
carriage returns at the end of each item.

foreach ($nicks as $nick) {
$trimmed_nick = rtrim($nick);
echo "$trimmed_nick
";
}

On Sun, 2002-12-29 at 04:10, Phil Powell wrote:
> Ok, I am a bad coder. :(  I can't figure this out at all:
> 
>    $fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", 'r');
>     $stuff = fread($fileID, filesize("nicknames.txt")); fclose($fileID);
>     if (strlen($stuff) > 0) $priorNickNewLine = "\
"; 
>     $nicks = explode("\
", $stuff);
> 
> The last line produces the Warning.. why?  I am trying to read contents from nicknames.txt and split according to the newline character so that each nickname is an array element.
> 
> What did I do wrong? :(
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sun Dec 29 11:46:38 2002
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:46:38 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sorry, really stupid question...
In-Reply-To: <200212290710.gBT7AISt039966@parsec.nyphp.org> <200212282055.gBSKtqSt036781@parsec.nyphp.org> <200212282034.gBSKYeSt036621@parsec.nyphp.org> <200212282032.gBSKW8St036598@parsec.nyphp.org> <200212282018.gBSKIVSt036519@parsec.nyphp.org>
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Hey Folks:

On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:18:31PM -0500, Adam Fields wrote:
> 
> Still, it's a good habit to close resources you open.

At the same time, it's good habit to only do things that need to be done.

On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:32:08PM -0500, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> Why is fflush() not needed?

To be honest, I haven't ever had a use for this function and it's 
documentation is sparse, so I may be talking out my, uh, ___, but here 
goes anyway.  It looks like this function is for writing whatever you've 
put into memory via PHP's output buffering commands.

On Sat, Dec 28, 2002 at 03:55:52PM -0500, Adam Fields wrote:
> 
> But it sounds like the problem is that the variable isn't getting
> correctly reset between instances.

Quite true.  I started writing something along these lines, but cut it out 
because from the code Phil supplied it wasn't clear where the variables 
value came from.

> On Sun, Dec 29, 2002 at 02:10:18AM -0500, Phil Powell wrote:
>
> From: 
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 3:57 PM
> >
> > chmod the file in your *nix shell.  not in the php script.
>
> I can't do that, it's a remote server, sorry.

You obviously have the capacity to upload your scripts.  I assume you're 
doing this via FTP.  FTP has the capacity to change file permissions.  So, 
upload a blank file and then change the file permissions.

I'm saying this out of pure programming efficiency.  If the file already
exists and has the right permissions, it is wastefull to reset its
permissions each time the script is called.  Of course, in the real world, 
it's not that big a deal.

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From soazine at erols.com  Sun Dec 29 14:42:44 2002
From: soazine at erols.com (Phil Powell)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:42:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Warning: 1 is not a valid File-Handle resource - HELP!
References: <200212291418.gBTEInSt042256@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <025801c2af72$753e39a0$2aaf6244@scandinawa1bo6>

I got it this time, for once.. apparently I had an extra fclose() in my
statement!

Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2002 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Warning: 1 is not a valid File-Handle resource -
HELP!

> Not to add any further confusion if you are simply wish to fix what you
> have, but you could read the contents of your textfile into an array
> with file()
>
> $nicks = file("nicknames.txt");
>
> // You then use rtrim() to remove any unwanted whitespace,newlines, or
> carriage returns at the end of each item.
>
> foreach ($nicks as $nick) {
> $trimmed_nick = rtrim($nick);
> echo "$trimmed_nick
";
> }
>
> On Sun, 2002-12-29 at 04:10, Phil Powell wrote:
> > Ok, I am a bad coder. :(  I can't figure this out at all:
> >
> >    $fileID = fopen("nicknames.txt", 'r');
> >     $stuff = fread($fileID, filesize("nicknames.txt")); fclose($fileID);
> >     if (strlen($stuff) > 0) $priorNickNewLine = "\
";
> >     $nicks = explode("\
", $stuff);
> >
> > The last line produces the Warning.. why?  I am trying to read contents
from nicknames.txt and split according to the newline character so that each
nickname is an array element.
> >
> > What did I do wrong? :(
> >
> > Phil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From evan.heller at alum.rpi.edu  Sun Dec 29 15:15:21 2002
From: evan.heller at alum.rpi.edu (evan heller)
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:15:21 -0500
Subject: Quest for a windows control panel
Message-ID: <3E0F57D9.238C3FE4@alum.rpi.edu>

Hi:

Does anyone know of a control panel for windows
that allows for easy web administration? I.E.
allowing customers to login to the control panel
and modify their domains, email accounts ect..?
Anyhow, if it doesn't exist, would anybody be
interested on working on a php driven project like
this? It could use use PHP 4.3 and Apache 2.0.43
along with Imail Webserver (or others) and
whatever ftp clients we can do. Anyone interested?

-Evan

-- 

Evan Heller     
evan.heller at alum.rpi.edu

From ophir at prusak.com  Mon Dec 30 11:04:15 2002
From: ophir at prusak.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:04:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
References: <200212301510.gBUFA7St049675@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00a201c2b01d$1a5ae5a0$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

Hi Shawn,

3 options.

1. Do a lot a reading / trial and error. Sounds like that's what you're
trying to get away from.
2. Download and install (and eventually buy) a package like ensim
(www.ensim.com) , plesk (www.plesk.com) , or cpanel (www.cpanel.net) . These
are packages that allow you do %99 of your web hosting sys admin needs via a
web browser interface. Most of them have a trial version as well.
3. Find a sys admin who will do the work for you in exchange for
access/usage of the machine.

I myself have been toying with the idea of a dedicated server myself for a
while.
I'm curious as to who you picked and why.

Thanx,
Ophir

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shawn Lawyer" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 10:10 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help

> i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've had access
to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now that's
not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it goes. i
got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that could be
handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make a few
minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a file in
the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a session
script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down and
got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to people
basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add users,
create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions, install
mysql, config ftp, etc...
> i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but it
jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's all
there and installed on freebsed 4.7
> thank you,
> shawn lawyer
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>

From bit5hift at ethernet.tk  Mon Dec 30 11:11:25 2002
From: bit5hift at ethernet.tk (bit5hift at ethernet.tk)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:11:25 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
In-Reply-To: <200212301510.gBUFA7St049675@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200212301510.gBUFA7St049675@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021230161125.GA27630@burnt.ethernet.tk>

For installing most of the stuff you can use the FreeBSD ports, that simplifies
installing and upgrading software quite a bit.

Setting up the users and stuff:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/users.html

Sendmail:
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sendmail.html

Apache virtual hosts:
http://httpd.apache.org/docs/vhosts/index.html

If you get stuck you can contact me off list and I can see if I can help you.
Though you'll probably find enough help in #freebsdhelp on EFnet or the
httpd.apache.org Documentation and FreeBSD handbook.

Hope that's been helpful. G'luck. :)

On Mon, 2002-12-30, Shawn Lawyer wrote:
> i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've had access to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now that's not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it goes. i got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that could be handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make a few minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a file in the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a session script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down and got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to people basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add users, create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions, install mysql, config ftp, etc...
> i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but it jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's all there and installed on freebsed 4.7
> thank you,
> shawn lawyer
> 
> 
> 
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From ophir at prusak.com  Mon Dec 30 11:13:46 2002
From: ophir at prusak.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:13:46 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
References: <200212301510.gBUFA7St049675@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00e901c2b01e$6ea43d40$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

Hi Shawn,

3 options.

1. Do a lot a reading / trial and error. Sounds like that's what you're
trying to get away from.
2. Download and install (and eventually buy) a package like ensim
(www.ensim.com) , plesk (www.plesk.com) , or cpanel (www.cpanel.net) . These
are packages that allow you do %99 of your web hosting sys admin needs via a
web browser interface. Most of them have a trial version as well.
3. Find a sys admin who will do the work for you in exchange for
access/usage of the machine.

I myself have been toying with the idea of a dedicated server myself for a
while.
I'm curious as to who you picked and why.

Thanx,
Ophir

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shawn Lawyer" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 10:10 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help

> i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've had access
to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now that's
not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it goes. i
got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that could be
handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make a few
minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a file in
the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a session
script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down and
got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to people
basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add users,
create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions, install
mysql, config ftp, etc...
> i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but it
jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's all
there and installed on freebsed 4.7
> thank you,
> shawn lawyer
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>

From chun_lam at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 30 11:13:54 2002
From: chun_lam at hotmail.com (CHUN-YIU LAM)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:13:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
Message-ID: 

Have you look into Redhat Linux?  FreeBSD's pthread are not easy to work 
with at this time. You might want to install instead.

Matthew

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i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've had access to 
dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now that's not 
the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it goes. i got 
tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that could be 
handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make a few 
minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a file in 
the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a session 
script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down and 
got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to people 
basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add users, 
create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions, install 
mysql, config ftp, etc...
i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but it jumps 
around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's all there 
and installed on freebsed 4.7
thank you,
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From bit5hift at ethernet.tk  Mon Dec 30 11:21:50 2002
From: bit5hift at ethernet.tk (bit5hift at ethernet.tk)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:21:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
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On Mon, 2002-12-30, CHUN-YIU LAM wrote:
> Have you look into Redhat Linux?  FreeBSD's pthread are not easy to work 
> with at this time. You might want to install instead.

You can install GNU Pth, or use the MIT pthreads, etc.

> 
> Matthew
> 
> ----Original Message Follows----
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> Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
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> i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've had access to 
> dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now that's not 
> the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it goes. i got 
> tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that could be 
> handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make a few 
> minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a file in 
> the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a session 
> script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down and 
> got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to people 
> basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add users, 
> create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions, install 
> mysql, config ftp, etc...
> i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but it jumps 
> around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's all there 
> and installed on freebsed 4.7
> thank you,
> shawn lawyer
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Mon Dec 30 12:07:12 2002
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:07:12 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
In-Reply-To: <200212301613.gBUGDVSt050000@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

I too have been toying with the idea of a dedicated server - I wonder if
anyone might be interested in a bit of a joint venture.  Perhaps even a PHP
community dedicated server???  At least then for a low cost all of our PHP
needs could be met.

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Ophir Prusak [mailto:ophir at prusak.com]
-> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:14 AM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
->
->
-> Hi Shawn,
->
-> 3 options.
->
-> 1. Do a lot a reading / trial and error. Sounds like that's what you're
-> trying to get away from.
-> 2. Download and install (and eventually buy) a package like ensim
-> (www.ensim.com) , plesk (www.plesk.com) , or cpanel
-> (www.cpanel.net) . These
-> are packages that allow you do %99 of your web hosting sys admin
-> needs via a
-> web browser interface. Most of them have a trial version as well.
-> 3. Find a sys admin who will do the work for you in exchange for
-> access/usage of the machine.
->
-> I myself have been toying with the idea of a dedicated server
-> myself for a
-> while.
-> I'm curious as to who you picked and why.
->
-> Thanx,
-> Ophir
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Shawn Lawyer" 
-> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
-> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 10:10 AM
-> Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
->
->
-> > i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've
-> had access
-> to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine,
-> now that's
-> not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here
-> it goes. i
-> got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site
-> that could be
-> handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just
-> make a few
-> minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not
-> a file in
-> the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a session
-> script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down and
-> got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to people
-> basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need
-> to add users,
-> create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php
-> extensions, install
-> mysql, config ftp, etc...
-> > i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but it
-> jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp,
-> sendmail, it's all
-> there and installed on freebsed 4.7
-> > thank you,
-> > shawn lawyer
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
-> >
->
->
->
->
-> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
->
->
->

From chalu at egenius.com  Mon Dec 30 12:19:45 2002
From: chalu at egenius.com (Chalu Kim)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:19:45 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
References: <200212301621.gBUGLwSt050065@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001f01c2b027$a64de0d0$5c00a8c0@mothergoose>

If it helps, I can supply all-in-one script to compile OpenSSL, PHP and
Apache with rewrite and proxy.

Will this help?

Why pthread?
I don't think you need that.

----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help

> On Mon, 2002-12-30, CHUN-YIU LAM wrote:
> > Have you look into Redhat Linux?  FreeBSD's pthread are not easy to work
> > with at this time. You might want to install instead.
>
> You can install GNU Pth, or use the MIT pthreads, etc.
>
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: "Shawn Lawyer" 
> > Reply-To: talk at nyphp.org
> > To: NYPHP Talk 
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> > Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:10:07 -0500
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> > 2002 07:22:35 -0800
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access to
> > dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now that's
not
> > the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it goes. i
got
> > tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that could be
> > handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make a
few
> > minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a file
in
> > the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a
session
> > script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down
and
> > got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to people
> > basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add
users,
> > create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions,
install
> > mysql, config ftp, etc...
> > i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but it
jumps
> > around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's all
there
> > and installed on freebsed 4.7
> > thank you,
> > shawn lawyer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From chalu at egenius.com  Mon Dec 30 12:29:29 2002
From: chalu at egenius.com (Chalu Kim)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:29:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
References: <200212301707.gBUH7OSt050341@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <003501c2b029$022804c0$5c00a8c0@mothergoose>

If you figure this out, I can provide a hosting on BSD or Linux. You can
bring your server and I can help you set it up.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Hendry" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help

> I too have been toying with the idea of a dedicated server - I wonder if
> anyone might be interested in a bit of a joint venture.  Perhaps even a
PHP
> community dedicated server???  At least then for a low cost all of our PHP
> needs could be met.
>
> -> -----Original Message-----
> -> From: Ophir Prusak [mailto:ophir at prusak.com]
> -> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:14 AM
> -> To: NYPHP Talk
> -> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> ->
> ->
> -> Hi Shawn,
> ->
> -> 3 options.
> ->
> -> 1. Do a lot a reading / trial and error. Sounds like that's what you're
> -> trying to get away from.
> -> 2. Download and install (and eventually buy) a package like ensim
> -> (www.ensim.com) , plesk (www.plesk.com) , or cpanel
> -> (www.cpanel.net) . These
> -> are packages that allow you do %99 of your web hosting sys admin
> -> needs via a
> -> web browser interface. Most of them have a trial version as well.
> -> 3. Find a sys admin who will do the work for you in exchange for
> -> access/usage of the machine.
> ->
> -> I myself have been toying with the idea of a dedicated server
> -> myself for a
> -> while.
> -> I'm curious as to who you picked and why.
> ->
> -> Thanx,
> -> Ophir
> ->
> -> ----- Original Message -----
> -> From: "Shawn Lawyer" 
> -> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> -> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 10:10 AM
> -> Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> ->
> ->
> -> > i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've
> -> had access
> -> to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine,
> -> now that's
> -> not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here
> -> it goes. i
> -> got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site
> -> that could be
> -> handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just
> -> make a few
> -> minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not
> -> a file in
> -> the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a
session
> -> script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down
and
> -> got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to
people
> -> basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need
> -> to add users,
> -> create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php
> -> extensions, install
> -> mysql, config ftp, etc...
> -> > i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but
it
> -> jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp,
> -> sendmail, it's all
> -> there and installed on freebsed 4.7
> -> > thank you,
> -> > shawn lawyer
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >
> -> >
> ->
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From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Mon Dec 30 12:35:02 2002
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:35:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
In-Reply-To: <200212301720.gBUHKSSt050431@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

Are you saying you can provide the access if we come up with the server?  To
be honest, I'm not too strong on the server end and am not sure what would
be involved - can you fill in the gaps?  Access / Server / Software...

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Chalu Kim [mailto:chalu at egenius.com]
-> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 12:20 PM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
->
->
-> If you figure this out, I can provide a hosting on BSD or Linux. You can
-> bring your server and I can help you set it up.
->
-> ----- Original Message -----
-> From: "Christopher Hendry" 
-> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
-> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 12:07 PM
-> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
->
->
-> > I too have been toying with the idea of a dedicated server - I
-> wonder if
-> > anyone might be interested in a bit of a joint venture.  Perhaps even a
-> PHP
-> > community dedicated server???  At least then for a low cost
-> all of our PHP
-> > needs could be met.
-> >
-> > -> -----Original Message-----
-> > -> From: Ophir Prusak [mailto:ophir at prusak.com]
-> > -> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:14 AM
-> > -> To: NYPHP Talk
-> > -> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> Hi Shawn,
-> > ->
-> > -> 3 options.
-> > ->
-> > -> 1. Do a lot a reading / trial and error. Sounds like that's
-> what you're
-> > -> trying to get away from.
-> > -> 2. Download and install (and eventually buy) a package like ensim
-> > -> (www.ensim.com) , plesk (www.plesk.com) , or cpanel
-> > -> (www.cpanel.net) . These
-> > -> are packages that allow you do %99 of your web hosting sys admin
-> > -> needs via a
-> > -> web browser interface. Most of them have a trial version as well.
-> > -> 3. Find a sys admin who will do the work for you in exchange for
-> > -> access/usage of the machine.
-> > ->
-> > -> I myself have been toying with the idea of a dedicated server
-> > -> myself for a
-> > -> while.
-> > -> I'm curious as to who you picked and why.
-> > ->
-> > -> Thanx,
-> > -> Ophir
-> > ->
-> > -> ----- Original Message -----
-> > -> From: "Shawn Lawyer" 
-> > -> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
-> > -> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 10:10 AM
-> > -> Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
-> > ->
-> > ->
-> > -> > i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've
-> > -> had access
-> > -> to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine,
-> > -> now that's
-> > -> not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here
-> > -> it goes. i
-> > -> got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site
-> > -> that could be
-> > -> handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just
-> > -> make a few
-> > -> minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not
-> > -> a file in
-> > -> the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a
-> session
-> > -> script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i
-> broke down
-> and
-> > -> got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to
-> people
-> > -> basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need
-> > -> to add users,
-> > -> create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php
-> > -> extensions, install
-> > -> mysql, config ftp, etc...
-> > -> > i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book
-> i got, but
-> it
-> > -> jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp,
-> > -> sendmail, it's all
-> > -> there and installed on freebsed 4.7
-> > -> > thank you,
-> > -> > shawn lawyer
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From chun_lam at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 30 12:42:31 2002
From: chun_lam at hotmail.com (CHUN-YIU LAM)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:42:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
Message-ID: 

When you set up php from the source, you need to configure it.  Don't 
remember if Apache also ask for it, too.

Matthew

----Original Message Follows----
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If it helps, I can supply all-in-one script to compile OpenSSL, PHP and
Apache with rewrite and proxy.

Will this help?

Why pthread?
I don't think you need that.

----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help

 > On Mon, 2002-12-30, CHUN-YIU LAM wrote:
 > > Have you look into Redhat Linux?  FreeBSD's pthread are not easy to 
work
 > > with at this time. You might want to install instead.
 >
 > You can install GNU Pth, or use the MIT pthreads, etc.
 >
 > >
 > > Matthew
 > >
 > > ----Original Message Follows----
 > > From: "Shawn Lawyer" 
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not
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got
 > > tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that could be
 > > handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make a
few
 > > minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a file
in
 > > the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a
session
 > > script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down
and
 > > got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to 
people
 > > basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add
users,
 > > create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions,
install
 > > mysql, config ftp, etc...
 > > i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but it
jumps
 > > around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's all
there
 > > and installed on freebsed 4.7
 > > thank you,
 > > shawn lawyer
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From chalu at egenius.com  Mon Dec 30 13:56:34 2002
From: chalu at egenius.com (Chalu Kim)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:56:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
References: <200212301735.gBUHZDSt050535@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <006f01c2b035$2c570190$5c00a8c0@mothergoose>

Yes and no.

We do basic open-source related hosting. You need to pay for some expense
like electric bill and a part of access. Your server needs to either
Linux/BSD/Solaris. I can help you set it up. I don't do NT/2k because of too
many reasons.

Do you do any socially minded projects? Non-profit related?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Hendry" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help

> Are you saying you can provide the access if we come up with the server?
To
> be honest, I'm not too strong on the server end and am not sure what would
> be involved - can you fill in the gaps?  Access / Server / Software...
>
> -> -----Original Message-----
> -> From: Chalu Kim [mailto:chalu at egenius.com]
> -> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 12:20 PM
> -> To: NYPHP Talk
> -> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> ->
> ->
> -> If you figure this out, I can provide a hosting on BSD or Linux. You
can
> -> bring your server and I can help you set it up.
> ->
> -> ----- Original Message -----
> -> From: "Christopher Hendry" 
> -> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> -> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 12:07 PM
> -> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> ->
> ->
> -> > I too have been toying with the idea of a dedicated server - I
> -> wonder if
> -> > anyone might be interested in a bit of a joint venture.  Perhaps even
a
> -> PHP
> -> > community dedicated server???  At least then for a low cost
> -> all of our PHP
> -> > needs could be met.
> -> >
> -> > -> -----Original Message-----
> -> > -> From: Ophir Prusak [mailto:ophir at prusak.com]
> -> > -> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 11:14 AM
> -> > -> To: NYPHP Talk
> -> > -> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> -> > ->
> -> > ->
> -> > -> Hi Shawn,
> -> > ->
> -> > -> 3 options.
> -> > ->
> -> > -> 1. Do a lot a reading / trial and error. Sounds like that's
> -> what you're
> -> > -> trying to get away from.
> -> > -> 2. Download and install (and eventually buy) a package like ensim
> -> > -> (www.ensim.com) , plesk (www.plesk.com) , or cpanel
> -> > -> (www.cpanel.net) . These
> -> > -> are packages that allow you do %99 of your web hosting sys admin
> -> > -> needs via a
> -> > -> web browser interface. Most of them have a trial version as well.
> -> > -> 3. Find a sys admin who will do the work for you in exchange for
> -> > -> access/usage of the machine.
> -> > ->
> -> > -> I myself have been toying with the idea of a dedicated server
> -> > -> myself for a
> -> > -> while.
> -> > -> I'm curious as to who you picked and why.
> -> > ->
> -> > -> Thanx,
> -> > -> Ophir
> -> > ->
> -> > -> ----- Original Message -----
> -> > -> From: "Shawn Lawyer" 
> -> > -> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> -> > -> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 10:10 AM
> -> > -> Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> -> > ->
> -> > ->
> -> > -> > i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've
> -> > -> had access
> -> > -> to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine,
> -> > -> now that's
> -> > -> not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here
> -> > -> it goes. i
> -> > -> got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site
> -> > -> that could be
> -> > -> handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just
> -> > -> make a few
> -> > -> minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not
> -> > -> a file in
> -> > -> the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a
> -> session
> -> > -> script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i
> -> broke down
> -> and
> -> > -> got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to
> -> people
> -> > -> basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need
> -> > -> to add users,
> -> > -> create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php
> -> > -> extensions, install
> -> > -> mysql, config ftp, etc...
> -> > -> > i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book
> -> i got, but
> -> it
> -> > -> jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp,
> -> > -> sendmail, it's all
> -> > -> there and installed on freebsed 4.7
> -> > -> > thank you,
> -> > -> > shawn lawyer
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From nyphp at altunergil.com  Mon Dec 30 14:35:51 2002
From: nyphp at altunergil.com (Oktay Altunergil)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:35:51 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
In-Reply-To: <200212301510.gBUFA7St049675@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200212301510.gBUFA7St049675@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021230143551.185edf54.nyphp@altunergil.com>

The company I work for takes care of such requests (except for creating virtual hosts and adding users etc, which are day to day administration tasks). We will install php and apache the way you want it to be installed if you let us know up front. We also provide managed services where you pay us an additional fee and never have to touch your box. We will do absolutely anything you need.

I'm sure there are other companies like this out there and being the *cheapest* is not our *thing*. If you're interested, please contact me for more info.

oktay

On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:10:07 -0500
Shawn Lawyer  wrote:

> i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've had access to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now that's not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it goes. i got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that could be handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make a few minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a file in the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a session script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down and got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to people basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add users, create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions, install mysql, config ftp, etc...
> i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but it jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's all there and installed on freebsed 4.7
> thank you,
> shawn lawyer
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 

From nyphp at websapp.com  Mon Dec 30 14:58:08 2002
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 14:58:08 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
In-Reply-To: <200212301935.gBUJZxSt051236@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

Shawn,

I am sure that nyphp.org can supply you with a virtual server if you need it
for PHP development and non-profit use. Drop Hans (hans at nyphp.org) an email
for more info.

Regards,
Daniel Kushner
_________________________________________
Need hosting? http://thehostingcompany.us

-----Original Message-----
From: Oktay Altunergil [mailto:nyphp at altunergil.com]
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:36 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help

The company I work for takes care of such requests (except for creating
virtual hosts and adding users etc, which are day to day administration
tasks). We will install php and apache the way you want it to be installed
if you let us know up front. We also provide managed services where you pay
us an additional fee and never have to touch your box. We will do absolutely
anything you need.

I'm sure there are other companies like this out there and being the
*cheapest* is not our *thing*. If you're interested, please contact me for
more info.

oktay

On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:10:07 -0500
Shawn Lawyer  wrote:

> i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've had access
to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now that's
not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it goes. i
got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that could be
handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make a few
minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a file in
the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a session
script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down and
got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to people
basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add users,
create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions, install
mysql, config ftp, etc...
> i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but it
jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's all
there and installed on freebsed 4.7
> thank you,
> shawn lawyer
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From chun_lam at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 30 15:48:03 2002
From: chun_lam at hotmail.com (Matthew Lam)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:48:03 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
References: <200212302021.gBUKL9St051482@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

I suggest using Redhat Linux.  That way we both have a frame to work with.
Linux is good for a reason that alot of people who uses php know at least a
little bit.  This way I can walk you thru some basic stuff and you can
figure out the more advance stuff at your own time.  This will at least get
some stuff up an running quick while give you some time to learn...  What do
you think?

Matthew

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shawn Lawyer" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help

> my whole objective with my server was to not only have a for/non profit
> developement enviroment but also to gain the experience needed to
facilitate
> my/others needs. what do you mean nyphp could provide space? i wouldn' t
> mind also providing space for this group, since i do plan, when i have
more
> time, to become deeply involved in this local community. does nyphp.org
site
> need a mirror? oh and also i haven't been able to get on dal.net today
does
> any one know why and is there a dal.net server provided through anyone in
> this group. i used to spend a great deal of time in #php under the nick
> natural178.
>
> thanks
> shawn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Kushner" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:01 PM
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
>
>
> > Shawn,
> >
> > I am sure that nyphp.org can supply you with a virtual server if you
need
> it
> > for PHP development and non-profit use. Drop Hans (hans at nyphp.org) an
> email
> > for more info.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Daniel Kushner
> > _________________________________________
> > Need hosting? http://thehostingcompany.us
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Oktay Altunergil [mailto:nyphp at altunergil.com]
> > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:36 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> >
> >
> > The company I work for takes care of such requests (except for creating
> > virtual hosts and adding users etc, which are day to day administration
> > tasks). We will install php and apache the way you want it to be
installed
> > if you let us know up front. We also provide managed services where you
> pay
> > us an additional fee and never have to touch your box. We will do
> absolutely
> > anything you need.
> >
> > I'm sure there are other companies like this out there and being the
> > *cheapest* is not our *thing*. If you're interested, please contact me
for
> > more info.
> >
> > oktay
> >
> > On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:10:07 -0500
> > Shawn Lawyer  wrote:
> >
> > > i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've had
> access
> > to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now
that's
> > not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it goes.
i
> > got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that could
> be
> > handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make a
> few
> > minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a file
in
> > the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a
session
> > script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down
and
> > got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to people
> > basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add
> users,
> > create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions,
> install
> > mysql, config ftp, etc...
> > > i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but it
> > jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's
all
> > there and installed on freebsed 4.7
> > > thank you,
> > > shawn lawyer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>

From chalu at egenius.com  Mon Dec 30 17:15:23 2002
From: chalu at egenius.com (Chalu Kim)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:15:23 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
References: <200212302048.gBUKmISt051622@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00be01c2b050$f292e2a0$5c00a8c0@mothergoose>

Yes, on Linux is easier, getting things compiled or getting RPM or DEB (the
scale of compilers).

My only complaint is that there are lots of packages I need to maintain.
Just because of some OpenSSL vulnerability on Linux, there have been several
occasions to do quick upgrades which can take much time.

At times, I get the feeling Linux is less secure. This is way I track
Openwall if you are not familiar with it. Check it out.

BSD gives much higher stability and your programming investment will last
longer. If I were you, give BSD a good try. Once you set, you will be
cruising. You can use this board to have others help you debug...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Lam" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help

> I suggest using Redhat Linux.  That way we both have a frame to work with.
> Linux is good for a reason that alot of people who uses php know at least
a
> little bit.  This way I can walk you thru some basic stuff and you can
> figure out the more advance stuff at your own time.  This will at least
get
> some stuff up an running quick while give you some time to learn...  What
do
> you think?
>
> Matthew
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shawn Lawyer" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
>
>
> > my whole objective with my server was to not only have a for/non profit
> > developement enviroment but also to gain the experience needed to
> facilitate
> > my/others needs. what do you mean nyphp could provide space? i wouldn' t
> > mind also providing space for this group, since i do plan, when i have
> more
> > time, to become deeply involved in this local community. does nyphp.org
> site
> > need a mirror? oh and also i haven't been able to get on dal.net today
> does
> > any one know why and is there a dal.net server provided through anyone
in
> > this group. i used to spend a great deal of time in #php under the nick
> > natural178.
> >
> > thanks
> > shawn
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniel Kushner" 
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:01 PM
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> >
> >
> > > Shawn,
> > >
> > > I am sure that nyphp.org can supply you with a virtual server if you
> need
> > it
> > > for PHP development and non-profit use. Drop Hans (hans at nyphp.org) an
> > email
> > > for more info.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Daniel Kushner
> > > _________________________________________
> > > Need hosting? http://thehostingcompany.us
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Oktay Altunergil [mailto:nyphp at altunergil.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:36 PM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> > >
> > >
> > > The company I work for takes care of such requests (except for
creating
> > > virtual hosts and adding users etc, which are day to day
administration
> > > tasks). We will install php and apache the way you want it to be
> installed
> > > if you let us know up front. We also provide managed services where
you
> > pay
> > > us an additional fee and never have to touch your box. We will do
> > absolutely
> > > anything you need.
> > >
> > > I'm sure there are other companies like this out there and being the
> > > *cheapest* is not our *thing*. If you're interested, please contact me
> for
> > > more info.
> > >
> > > oktay
> > >
> > > On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:10:07 -0500
> > > Shawn Lawyer  wrote:
> > >
> > > > i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've had
> > access
> > > to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now
> that's
> > > not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it
goes.
> i
> > > got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that
could
> > be
> > > handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make
a
> > few
> > > minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a
file
> in
> > > the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a
> session
> > > script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down
> and
> > > got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to
people
> > > basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add
> > users,
> > > create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions,
> > install
> > > mysql, config ftp, etc...
> > > > i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but
it
> > > jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's
> all
> > > there and installed on freebsed 4.7
> > > > thank you,
> > > > shawn lawyer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
Yes, on Linux is easier, getting things compiled or getting RPM or DEB (the
scale of compilers).

My only complaint is that there are lots of packages I need to maintain.
Just because of some OpenSSL vulnerability on Linux, there have been several
occasions to do quick upgrades which can take much time.

At times, I get the feeling Linux is less secure. This is way I track
Openwall if you are not familiar with it. Check it out.

BSD gives much higher stability and your programming investment will last
longer. If I were you, give BSD a good try. Once you set, you will be
cruising. You can use this board to have others help you debug...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Lam" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help

> I suggest using Redhat Linux.  That way we both have a frame to work with.
> Linux is good for a reason that alot of people who uses php know at least
a
> little bit.  This way I can walk you thru some basic stuff and you can
> figure out the more advance stuff at your own time.  This will at least
get
> some stuff up an running quick while give you some time to learn...  What
do
> you think?
>
> Matthew
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shawn Lawyer" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
>
>
> > my whole objective with my server was to not only have a for/non profit
> > developement enviroment but also to gain the experience needed to
> facilitate
> > my/others needs. what do you mean nyphp could provide space? i wouldn' t
> > mind also providing space for this group, since i do plan, when i have
> more
> > time, to become deeply involved in this local community. does nyphp.org
> site
> > need a mirror? oh and also i haven't been able to get on dal.net today
> does
> > any one know why and is there a dal.net server provided through anyone
in
> > this group. i used to spend a great deal of time in #php under the nick
> > natural178.
> >
> > thanks
> > shawn
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniel Kushner" 
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:01 PM
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> >
> >
> > > Shawn,
> > >
> > > I am sure that nyphp.org can supply you with a virtual server if you
> need
> > it
> > > for PHP development and non-profit use. Drop Hans (hans at nyphp.org) an
> > email
> > > for more info.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Daniel Kushner
> > > _________________________________________
> > > Need hosting? http://thehostingcompany.us
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Oktay Altunergil [mailto:nyphp at altunergil.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:36 PM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> > >
> > >
> > > The company I work for takes care of such requests (except for
creating
> > > virtual hosts and adding users etc, which are day to day
administration
> > > tasks). We will install php and apache the way you want it to be
> installed
> > > if you let us know up front. We also provide managed services where
you
> > pay
> > > us an additional fee and never have to touch your box. We will do
> > absolutely
> > > anything you need.
> > >
> > > I'm sure there are other companies like this out there and being the
> > > *cheapest* is not our *thing*. If you're interested, please contact me
> for
> > > more info.
> > >
> > > oktay
> > >
> > > On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:10:07 -0500
> > > Shawn Lawyer  wrote:
> > >
> > > > i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've had
> > access
> > > to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now
> that's
> > > not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it
goes.
> i
> > > got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that
could
> > be
> > > handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make
a
> > few
> > > minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a
file
> in
> > > the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a
> session
> > > script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down
> and
> > > got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to
people
> > > basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add
> > users,
> > > create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions,
> > install
> > > mysql, config ftp, etc...
> > > > i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but
it
> > > jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's
> all
> > > there and installed on freebsed 4.7
> > > > thank you,
> > > > shawn lawyer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>

From rainman at deroo.net  Mon Dec 30 20:03:27 2002
From: rainman at deroo.net (Raymond DeRoo)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:03:27 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
In-Reply-To: <200212302206.gBUM6MSt052009@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200212302206.gBUM6MSt052009@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <200212310103.gBV13Xbi007142@base.deroo.net>

Chalu--

Any reason why you included the text of the original message twice?

Not to start a holy war, but more as an observation.

> My only complaint is that there are lots of packages I need to maintain.
> Just because of some OpenSSL vulnerability on Linux, there have been
> several occasions to do quick upgrades which can take much time.

Perhaps you have a valid point, but you have not demonstrated it here. All 
recent OpenSSL vulnerabilities have affected all platforms using OpenSSL, 
this includes *BSD.

> At times, I get the feeling Linux is less secure. This is way I track
> Openwall if you are not familiar with it. Check it out.

I think what you *really* meant to say was "...the feeling  is less secure." Linux is a *kenerl* nothing more. What various people 
do to package that kernel is left to that group and those who choose to use 
it. Also, you don't mention *which* flavor of BSD you are speaking of...

> BSD gives much higher stability and your programming investment will last
> longer. If I were you, give BSD a good try. Once you set, you will be
> cruising. You can use this board to have others help you debug...

I do find it very interesting that Yahoo! is moving more and more towards 
Linux based machines (For those who care, Linux rocks BSD for running MySQL) 
for many of the reasons you give for liking *BSD.

.r ( who runs both Debian and FreeBSD )

From hans at nyphp.org  Mon Dec 30 21:40:29 2002
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:40:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
In-Reply-To: <200212302021.gBUKL9St051482@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021231024029.53895.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Shawn et al,

--- Shawn Lawyer  wrote:
> my whole objective with my server was to not only have a for/non profit
> developement enviroment but also to gain the experience needed to
> facilitate my/others needs. what do you mean nyphp could provide space?

Since early August (when NYPHP.org was colocated as it's own server) we've
offered rooted FreeBSD jails for Open Source development
(http://xs.projects.nyphp.org for instance) projects.  These are full blown
virtual servers, where you can compile/configure/etc just about everything
you need, and play around with it.

Does this mean you can host non-computer-related-non-profit.org or
ebusiness.com with us?  No; for that, use one of the many great commercial
hosting solutions offered by list members (PLUG: I administer
http://thehostingcompany.us  :)

This is not a hosting service, but rather a SourceForge on steriods, with
access to the host's sysadmin (me) and root access, giving you maximum
flexibility and support for development and education.

Lastly, if there are people who are experienced with these types of things
(jails, sysadmin, scripting, etc) we'd be interested in forming an
admin/support staff group, allowing many projects to be hosted
(bandwidth/hardware resources are not at issue - just time).  And it looks
great on a resume  :)

> i wouldn' t mind also providing space for this group, since i do plan,
> when i have more time, to become deeply involved in this local community.

Excellent, it'll be good to work with you.

> does nyphp.org site need a mirror?

A website mirror per se, not really, but a system mirror wouldn't be turned
away  :)

> oh and also i haven't been able to get on dal.net today does any one know
> why and is there a dal.net server provided through anyone in this group. i
> used to spend a great deal of time in #php under the nick natural178.

Sorry, can't be much help - use freenode or efnet  :)

Best,

H

> 
> thanks
> shawn
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Kushner" 
> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:01 PM
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> 
> 
> > Shawn,
> >
> > I am sure that nyphp.org can supply you with a virtual server if you need
> it
> > for PHP development and non-profit use. Drop Hans (hans at nyphp.org) an
> email
> > for more info.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Daniel Kushner
> > _________________________________________
> > Need hosting? http://thehostingcompany.us
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Oktay Altunergil [mailto:nyphp at altunergil.com]
> > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:36 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> >
> >
> > The company I work for takes care of such requests (except for creating
> > virtual hosts and adding users etc, which are day to day administration
> > tasks). We will install php and apache the way you want it to be
> installed
> > if you let us know up front. We also provide managed services where you
> pay
> > us an additional fee and never have to touch your box. We will do
> absolutely
> > anything you need.
> >
> > I'm sure there are other companies like this out there and being the
> > *cheapest* is not our *thing*. If you're interested, please contact me
> for
> > more info.
> >
> > oktay
> >
> > On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:10:07 -0500
> > Shawn Lawyer  wrote:
> >
> > > i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've had
> access
> > to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now
> that's
> > not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it goes.
> i
> > got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that could
> be
> > handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make a
> few
> > minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a file
> in
> > the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a session
> > script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down and
> > got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to people
> > basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add
> users,
> > create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions,
> install
> > mysql, config ftp, etc...
> > > i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but it
> > jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's
> all
> > there and installed on freebsed 4.7
> > > thank you,
> > > shawn lawyer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 

=====
Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org

From hans at nyphp.org  Mon Dec 30 21:43:01 2002
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:43:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Year in Review
Message-ID: <20021231024301.79261.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com>

A fun and great look at 2002 - through the eyes of PHP:

http://www.derickrethans.nl/20021230.php

=====
Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org

From ucsu at anapraxis.com  Mon Dec 30 21:48:21 2002
From: ucsu at anapraxis.com (Weston Houghton)
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:48:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
In-Reply-To: <200212310240.gBV2eZSt053393@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <52CC732E-1C6A-11D7-8B51-003065760278@anapraxis.com>

I'd be very interested in helping out with all of this myself.

If I can wing it soon, and if there is any interest, I might be able to 
come up with a Mac OS X box. That would allow people to compile for 
multiple platforms, and test on the different platforms too. If there 
is interest I guess I could talk with Hans about putting it out there 
for people.

Or whatever.

Though I am probably the only *nix freak who loves OS X around here.

:)

Wes

On Monday, December 30, 2002, at 09:40  PM, Hans Zaunere wrote:

>
> Hi Shawn et al,
>
> --- Shawn Lawyer  wrote:
>> my whole objective with my server was to not only have a for/non 
>> profit
>> developement enviroment but also to gain the experience needed to
>> facilitate my/others needs. what do you mean nyphp could provide 
>> space?
>
> Since early August (when NYPHP.org was colocated as it's own server) 
> we've
> offered rooted FreeBSD jails for Open Source development
> (http://xs.projects.nyphp.org for instance) projects.  These are full 
> blown
> virtual servers, where you can compile/configure/etc just about 
> everything
> you need, and play around with it.
>
> Does this mean you can host non-computer-related-non-profit.org or
> ebusiness.com with us?  No; for that, use one of the many great 
> commercial
> hosting solutions offered by list members (PLUG: I administer
> http://thehostingcompany.us  :)
>
> This is not a hosting service, but rather a SourceForge on steriods, 
> with
> access to the host's sysadmin (me) and root access, giving you maximum
> flexibility and support for development and education.
>
> Lastly, if there are people who are experienced with these types of 
> things
> (jails, sysadmin, scripting, etc) we'd be interested in forming an
> admin/support staff group, allowing many projects to be hosted
> (bandwidth/hardware resources are not at issue - just time).  And it 
> looks
> great on a resume  :)
>
>> i wouldn' t mind also providing space for this group, since i do plan,
>> when i have more time, to become deeply involved in this local 
>> community.
>
> Excellent, it'll be good to work with you.
>
>> does nyphp.org site need a mirror?
>
> A website mirror per se, not really, but a system mirror wouldn't be 
> turned
> away  :)
>
>> oh and also i haven't been able to get on dal.net today does any one 
>> know
>> why and is there a dal.net server provided through anyone in this 
>> group. i
>> used to spend a great deal of time in #php under the nick natural178.
>
> Sorry, can't be much help - use freenode or efnet  :)
>
> Best,
>
> H
>
>
>
>>
>> thanks
>> shawn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Daniel Kushner" 
>> To: "NYPHP Talk" 
>> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:01 PM
>> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
>>
>>
>>> Shawn,
>>>
>>> I am sure that nyphp.org can supply you with a virtual server if you 
>>> need
>> it
>>> for PHP development and non-profit use. Drop Hans (hans at nyphp.org) an
>> email
>>> for more info.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Daniel Kushner
>>> _________________________________________
>>> Need hosting? http://thehostingcompany.us
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Oktay Altunergil [mailto:nyphp at altunergil.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:36 PM
>>> To: NYPHP Talk
>>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
>>>
>>>
>>> The company I work for takes care of such requests (except for 
>>> creating
>>> virtual hosts and adding users etc, which are day to day 
>>> administration
>>> tasks). We will install php and apache the way you want it to be
>> installed
>>> if you let us know up front. We also provide managed services where 
>>> you
>> pay
>>> us an additional fee and never have to touch your box. We will do
>> absolutely
>>> anything you need.
>>>
>>> I'm sure there are other companies like this out there and being the
>>> *cheapest* is not our *thing*. If you're interested, please contact 
>>> me
>> for
>>> more info.
>>>
>>> oktay
>>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:10:07 -0500
>>> Shawn Lawyer  wrote:
>>>
>>>> i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've had
>> access
>>> to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now
>> that's
>>> not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it 
>>> goes.
>> i
>>> got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that 
>>> could
>> be
>>> handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just 
>>> make a
>> few
>>> minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a 
>>> file
>> in
>>> the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a 
>>> session
>>> script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke 
>>> down and
>>> got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to 
>>> people
>>> basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add
>> users,
>>> create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions,
>> install
>>> mysql, config ftp, etc...
>>>> i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but 
>>>> it
>>> jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, 
>>> it's
>> all
>>> there and installed on freebsed 4.7
>>>> thank you,
>>>> shawn lawyer
>>>>
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> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> President, New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
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From felix at students.poly.edu  Tue Dec 31 00:03:30 2002
From: felix at students.poly.edu (Felix Zaslavskiy)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:03:30 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
References: <200212310240.gBV2eZSt053393@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00e701c2b089$f6aebc90$5e06fea9@brother>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Zaunere" 
> Hi Shawn et al,
>
> --- Shawn Lawyer  wrote:
> > my whole objective with my server was to not only have a for/non profit
> > developement enviroment but also to gain the experience needed to
> > facilitate my/others needs. what do you mean nyphp could provide space?
>
> Since early August (when NYPHP.org was colocated as it's own server) we've
> offered rooted FreeBSD jails for Open Source development
> (http://xs.projects.nyphp.org for instance) projects.  These are full
blown
> virtual servers, where you can compile/configure/etc just about everything
> you need, and play around with it.
>

I dont know how much of , php forget about it.
a benefit a rooted jail is in comparison to a regular user account if the
purpose is simplty to privide a user account.  The way i see it someone
either wants to learn to be a unix sysadmin or a developer.  To be a
sysadmin its better to get a real root access but to be a developer the
normal user account is fine i think.

But anyway i like the idea of setting up a server just for development.  I
myself setup a machine in my college just for that purpose for students of
my school.  I figured that the Unix servers school provides to students are
pretty useless for development.  The main student server still has the gcc
version is 2.95.2 , and to get cgi once has to fill out forms with the IS
depertment, php forget about it.  But even the servers that are set up for
specialized courses where the TA or the professor with have enough sence to
put the things the student need on it the general student dont get access
unless they are in the course.

Having said all that.
Most student are in general "unix morons"  the reason being that they never
used it.  The environment of choice these days is yes you guessed it
Microsoft Visual Studios. NET

Felix

From chalu at egenius.com  Tue Dec 31 13:45:45 2002
From: chalu at egenius.com (Chalu Kim)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:45:45 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
References: <200212310240.gBV2eZSt053393@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <003001c2b0fc$d4598940$5c00a8c0@mothergoose>

Cool deal.  Hans.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Zaunere" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help

>
> Hi Shawn et al,
>
> --- Shawn Lawyer  wrote:
> > my whole objective with my server was to not only have a for/non profit
> > developement enviroment but also to gain the experience needed to
> > facilitate my/others needs. what do you mean nyphp could provide space?
>
> Since early August (when NYPHP.org was colocated as it's own server) we've
> offered rooted FreeBSD jails for Open Source development
> (http://xs.projects.nyphp.org for instance) projects.  These are full
blown
> virtual servers, where you can compile/configure/etc just about everything
> you need, and play around with it.
>
> Does this mean you can host non-computer-related-non-profit.org or
> ebusiness.com with us?  No; for that, use one of the many great commercial
> hosting solutions offered by list members (PLUG: I administer
> http://thehostingcompany.us  :)
>
> This is not a hosting service, but rather a SourceForge on steriods, with
> access to the host's sysadmin (me) and root access, giving you maximum
> flexibility and support for development and education.
>
> Lastly, if there are people who are experienced with these types of things
> (jails, sysadmin, scripting, etc) we'd be interested in forming an
> admin/support staff group, allowing many projects to be hosted
> (bandwidth/hardware resources are not at issue - just time).  And it looks
> great on a resume  :)
>
> > i wouldn' t mind also providing space for this group, since i do plan,
> > when i have more time, to become deeply involved in this local
community.
>
> Excellent, it'll be good to work with you.
>
> > does nyphp.org site need a mirror?
>
> A website mirror per se, not really, but a system mirror wouldn't be
turned
> away  :)
>
> > oh and also i haven't been able to get on dal.net today does any one
know
> > why and is there a dal.net server provided through anyone in this group.
i
> > used to spend a great deal of time in #php under the nick natural178.
>
> Sorry, can't be much help - use freenode or efnet  :)
>
> Best,
>
> H
>
>
>
> >
> > thanks
> > shawn
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniel Kushner" 
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:01 PM
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> >
> >
> > > Shawn,
> > >
> > > I am sure that nyphp.org can supply you with a virtual server if you
need
> > it
> > > for PHP development and non-profit use. Drop Hans (hans at nyphp.org) an
> > email
> > > for more info.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Daniel Kushner
> > > _________________________________________
> > > Need hosting? http://thehostingcompany.us
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Oktay Altunergil [mailto:nyphp at altunergil.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:36 PM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> > >
> > >
> > > The company I work for takes care of such requests (except for
creating
> > > virtual hosts and adding users etc, which are day to day
administration
> > > tasks). We will install php and apache the way you want it to be
> > installed
> > > if you let us know up front. We also provide managed services where
you
> > pay
> > > us an additional fee and never have to touch your box. We will do
> > absolutely
> > > anything you need.
> > >
> > > I'm sure there are other companies like this out there and being the
> > > *cheapest* is not our *thing*. If you're interested, please contact me
> > for
> > > more info.
> > >
> > > oktay
> > >
> > > On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:10:07 -0500
> > > Shawn Lawyer  wrote:
> > >
> > > > i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've had
> > access
> > > to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now
> > that's
> > > not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it
goes.
> > i
> > > got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that
could
> > be
> > > handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make
a
> > few
> > > minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a
file
> > in
> > > the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a
session
> > > script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down
and
> > > got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to
people
> > > basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add
> > users,
> > > create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions,
> > install
> > > mysql, config ftp, etc...
> > > > i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but
it
> > > jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's
> > all
> > > there and installed on freebsed 4.7
> > > > thank you,
> > > > shawn lawyer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> President, New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
Cool deal.  Hans.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hans Zaunere" 
To: "NYPHP Talk" 
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help

>
> Hi Shawn et al,
>
> --- Shawn Lawyer  wrote:
> > my whole objective with my server was to not only have a for/non profit
> > developement enviroment but also to gain the experience needed to
> > facilitate my/others needs. what do you mean nyphp could provide space?
>
> Since early August (when NYPHP.org was colocated as it's own server) we've

> offered rooted FreeBSD jails for Open Source development
> (http://xs.projects.nyphp.org for instance) projects.  These are full
blown
> virtual servers, where you can compile/configure/etc just about everything
> you need, and play around with it.
>
> Does this mean you can host non-computer-related-non-profit.org or
> ebusiness.com with us?  No; for that, use one of the many great commercial
> hosting solutions offered by list members (PLUG: I administer
> http://thehostingcompany.us  :)
>
> This is not a hosting service, but rather a SourceForge on steriods, with
> access to the host's sysadmin (me) and root access, giving you maximum
> flexibility and support for development and education.
>
> Lastly, if there are people who are experienced with these types of things
> (jails, sysadmin, scripting, etc) we'd be interested in forming an
> admin/support staff group, allowing many projects to be hosted
> (bandwidth/hardware resources are not at issue - just time).  And it looks
> great on a resume  :)
>
> > i wouldn' t mind also providing space for this group, since i do plan,
> > when i have more time, to become deeply involved in this local
community.
>
> Excellent, it'll be good to work with you.
>
> > does nyphp.org site need a mirror?
>
> A website mirror per se, not really, but a system mirror wouldn't be
turned
> away  :)
>
> > oh and also i haven't been able to get on dal.net today does any one
know
> > why and is there a dal.net server provided through anyone in this group.
i
> > used to spend a great deal of time in #php under the nick natural178.
>
> Sorry, can't be much help - use freenode or efnet  :)
>
> Best,
>
> H
>
>
>
> >
> > thanks
> > shawn
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Daniel Kushner" 
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" 
> > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 3:01 PM
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> >
> >
> > > Shawn,
> > >
> > > I am sure that nyphp.org can supply you with a virtual server if you
need
> > it
> > > for PHP development and non-profit use. Drop Hans (hans at nyphp.org) an
> > email
> > > for more info.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Daniel Kushner
> > > _________________________________________
> > > Need hosting? http://thehostingcompany.us
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Oktay Altunergil [mailto:nyphp at altunergil.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 2:36 PM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
> > >
> > >
> > > The company I work for takes care of such requests (except for
creating
> > > virtual hosts and adding users etc, which are day to day
administration
> > > tasks). We will install php and apache the way you want it to be
> > installed
> > > if you let us know up front. We also provide managed services where
you
> > pay
> > > us an additional fee and never have to touch your box. We will do
> > absolutely
> > > anything you need.
> > >
> > > I'm sure there are other companies like this out there and being the
> > > *cheapest* is not our *thing*. If you're interested, please contact me
> > for
> > > more info.
> > >
> > > oktay
> > >
> > > On Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:10:07 -0500
> > > Shawn Lawyer  wrote:
> > >
> > > > i've been a php developer for years and at several points i've had
> > access
> > > to dedicated servers with sys admins that were friends of mine, now
> > that's
> > > not the case since i just moved to the new york area. okay here it
goes.
> > i
> > > got tired of having to build scripts to perform tasks on site that
could
> > be
> > > handled much much better if my hosting co. would just would just make
a
> > few
> > > minor changes to php.ini. example sessions in a database and not a
file
> > in
> > > the tmp dir . to work around this i had to spend hours creating a
session
> > > script myself not even touching php sessions. so finally i broke down
and
> > > got a dedicated server. now i just realized why i left this up to
people
> > > basck home. please help. i have no idea where to begin. i need to add
> > users,
> > > create virtual hot accounts, install ming and other php extensions,
> > install
> > > mysql, config ftp, etc...
> > > > i'm freaking out here, cause i'm trying to follow a book i got, but
it
> > > jumps around to much to be clear. oh, php, apache, ftp, sendmail, it's
> > all
> > > there and installed on freebsed 4.7
> > > > thank you,
> > > > shawn lawyer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
> Hans Zaunere
> President, New York PHP
> http://nyphp.org
> hans at nyphp.org
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>

From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Tue Dec 31 14:00:12 2002
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:00:12 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The Year in Review
In-Reply-To: <200212310243.gBV2h7St053408@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: 

Thanks all.  I look forward to becoming more involved in the new year and
wish you all glad tidings.

Peace.  Chris

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org]
-> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 9:43 PM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: [nycphp-talk] The Year in Review
->
->
->
-> A fun and great look at 2002 - through the eyes of PHP:
->
-> http://www.derickrethans.nl/20021230.php
->
->
->
-> =====
-> Hans Zaunere
-> President, New York PHP
-> http://nyphp.org
-> hans at nyphp.org
->
->
-> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
->
->
->

From hans at nyphp.org  Tue Dec 31 14:53:21 2002
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 11:53:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] bsd apache php mysql help
In-Reply-To: <200212311423.gBVENcSt056998@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20021231195321.46247.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Shawn Lawyer  wrote:
> Morning All,
> i agree with what was said below about being a developer or a sysadmin,
> it's the same comparison with being a graphics designer or a developer.
> what you may be over looking is the benefit of at least knowning the tools
> the designer(s) use, because you will then understand the needs of the
> designers, and how to comunicate with people who often have so idea what
> you are saying.

I agree, to an extent.  The two (dev/sysadmin) are related, and go
hand-in-hand, to a point.

> you see i'm not trying be as sysadmin because i am a programmer,

Right... and I'm not trying to be a design/layout person, but in most
circles, you're not lucky enough to have a perfectly balanced staff.

> i just need to be able to have more control over the enviroment then i have
> with a shared hosting account.

Exactly... and that means, to some extent, knowing a bit about sysadmin work
(for instance, in FreeBSD use adduser to add a user, if you're root).

> i care nothing about many sectors of being a sysadmin, security being the
> one issue i have no time to deal with. as i say do what you're good at and
> the rest will follow.

Sysadmin isn't my bread and butter either, but it is something that's always
needed, and as a result I've picked it up.  As a developer, you can depend on
someone else (if you're fortunate enough to have the resources) to setup
things to meet your needs, or you'll need to learn a bit about it.

NYPHP.org tries to offer the best of both worlds.  For one, giving the
support developers need to get a system up and running, and providing the
framework for letting them do what they're best at, code.  But at the same
time, having what so many wish they had; a "personal", knowledgable sysadmin
"on call" to learn from and work with.  Plus, with such a close-knit
community, often the sysadmins are developers as well, which is even more
valuable.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Felix Zaslavskiy" 
> > I dont know how much of , php forget about it.
> > a benefit a rooted jail is in comparison to a regular user account if the
> > purpose is simplty to privide a user account.  The way i see it someone
> > either wants to learn to be a unix sysadmin or a developer.  To be a
> > sysadmin its better to get a real root access but to be a developer the
> > normal user account is fine i think.

Maybe it's just because I've always had root (since I've also been the
sysadmin on the boxes I develop :) but a simple user account is rarely
enough, especially when developing from the ground up.

User accounts are a dime a dozen, and it may be a good way to get started. 
For instance, people who just want to develop can get a user account on a
shared, generic, system, and as their needs increase, be moved to a more
dedicated environment with the help of other developers and the sysadmin.

> > The main student server still has the gcc version is 2.95.2 , and to get
> > cgi once has to fill out forms with the IS depertment, php forget about
> > it.  But even the servers that are set up for specialized courses where
> > the TA or the professor with have enough sence to put the things the
> > student need on it the general student dont get access unless they are
> > in the course.

Well, hopefully we can work to alleviate this kind of trammel.

> > Having said all that. Most student are in general "unix morons"  the
> > reason being that they never used it.  The environment of choice these
> > days is yes you guessed it Microsoft Visual Studios. NET

That's a shame, but probably because it's just a chore to get a decent UNIX
environment, as alluded to above.

=====
Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org