From pl at eskimo.com  Mon May 12 00:45:37 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 00:45:37 -0400
Subject: removing and copying files with wildcards on free bsd
Message-ID: <00bd01c31841$60c57500$122c0242@default>

Is there a way in free bsd to rename or copy a whole group of files using
wildcards. For instance, i've been trying

mv *.htm *.php

or

mv sld???.htm sld???.php

but have been unable to do it in free bsd. I know it works in dos.

Peter Lehrer





From lists at redibishosting.com  Thu May  1 10:41:30 2003
From: lists at redibishosting.com (Deidra McIntyre)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 10:41:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Open Source's 'Affirmative Action' Battle
Message-ID: <1949.172.131.208.245.1051800090.squirrel@www.myhostingadmin.com>

Oregon and Texas state legislatures have bills that may support the
Pro-Open Source cause. California's proposal is really anti-proprietary.
New York had a public hearing on the issue this week.

Here's the debate.

For government IT bids...

Pro-Open Source proponents argue that public institutions should be forced
to look at all bid options (open source and proprietary) and explain their
decisions because they are run off public dollars and for that reason a
different standard should be held for public versus private IT contracts.

Pro-Private proponents argue this is an issue of competition that should
be the same as it is in the private sector and that, at least according to
Microsoft, the total cost of ownership of open source implementation is
not necessarily less expensive than proprietary implementation.

Oregon, Texas, California:
http://newsforge.com/newsforge/03/04/04/2231254.shtml?tid=4

New York:
http://linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2003043002026NWSWPB


*******
Deidra McIntyre
redIbis
http://www.redibis.com





From hans at nyphp.org  Thu May  1 15:49:49 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 12:49:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam
Message-ID: <20030501194949.20601.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>


I was sent the below today at work and thought I'd pass it on.

> To prevent the harvesting of your or your organization's email address
> from your web pages, we recommend that you implement one of the
> two solutions offered below to replace your "mailto" links on html pages.
> 
> 1) JavaScript Replacement
> 
> For example, if your email address is webmaster at nyphp.edu, you would insert
> the following code, replacing "user" with the information to the left of
> the @ sign and replacing "site" with your host name.
> 
> <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
> <!-- Begin
> user = "webmaster";
> site = "nyphp.edu";
> 
> document.write('<a href=\\"mailto:' + user + '@' + site + '\\">');
> document.write(user + '@' + site + '</a>');
> // End -->
> </SCRIPT>
> 
> 
> 2) ASCII Code Replacement
> You can replace the "@" sign in your mailto links with the ASCII code
> equivalent "@".
> 
> For example, if your email address is webmaster at nyphp.edu, you would do the
> following:
> 
> <a href="mailto:webmaster at nyphp.edu">webmaster at nyphp.edu</a>
> 
> This will produce a link that says webmaster at nyphp.edu.
> 
> 
> Please see the following web page for more information on protecting your
> email address from spam:
> 
>    http://www.cdt.org/speech/spam/030319spamreport.shtml



=====
Hans Zaunere
President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org
hans at nyphp.org


From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Thu May  1 17:39:54 2003
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:39:54 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam
In-Reply-To: <200305011950.h41Jnqot027712@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHCEGHFBAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

Um, (unless I'm missing something) the methods below both produce
machine-readable email addresses.  SpamBots are as capable as browsers
at executing JavaScript and then interpreting the results.

The neatest trick I've heard about had to do with a mouseover handler
that changed the href of an <a> tag on the fly.  I haven't tried it,
and am wondering if the same can be done for a screenshot image
depicting the address.

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From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Thu May  1 17:59:52 2003
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:59:52 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
In-Reply-To: <200305012140.h41Ldmot030948@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHKEGIFBAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

> ... the methods below both produce ...

I think I trimmed too much.  I was referring to the following:

> 1) JavaScript Replacement
> 
> For example, if your email address is webmaster at nyphp.edu, you would insert
> the following code, replacing "user" with the information to the left of
> the @ sign and replacing "site" with your host name.
> 
> <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
> <!-- Begin
> user = "webmaster";
> site = "nyphp.edu";
> 
> document.write('<a href=\\"mailto:' + user + '@' + site + '\\">');
> document.write(user + '@' + site + '</a>');
> // End -->
> </SCRIPT>
> 
> 
> 2) ASCII Code Replacement
> You can replace the "@" sign in your mailto links with the ASCII code
> equivalent "@".
> 
> For example, if your email address is webmaster at nyphp.edu, you would do the
> following:
> 
> <a href="mailto:webmaster at nyphp.edu">webmaster at nyphp.edu</a>
> 
> This will produce a link that says webmaster at nyphp.edu.

Sorry 'bout that.

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From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Thu May  1 18:18:20 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:18:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
Message-ID: <269620-22003541221820997@M2W066.mail2web.com>

I am not sure of a good client-side solution to masking emails; what I had
to do for my site (http://valsignalandet.com) is to build an entire
server-side feedback solution; something becoming popular now with many
sites.  That way my email address is neither listed nor generated; it only
exists within server-side code.

Perhaps a bit heavy-handed but it has significantly cut down on spam that
way.

Phil

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Ed McCarroll Ed at ComSimplicity.com
Date: Thu,  1 May 2003 17:59:44 -0400
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS


> ... the methods below both produce ...

I think I trimmed too much.  I was referring to the following:

> 1) JavaScript Replacement
> 
> For example, if your email address is webmaster at nyphp.edu, you would
insert
> the following code, replacing "user" with the information to the left of
> the @ sign and replacing "site" with your host name.
> 
> <SCRIPT LANGUAGE="JavaScript">
> <!-- Begin
> user = "webmaster";
> site = "nyphp.edu";
> 
> document.write('<a href=\\"mailto:' + user + '@' + site + '\\">');
> document.write(user + '@' + site + '</a>');
> // End -->
> </SCRIPT>
> 
> 
> 2) ASCII Code Replacement
> You can replace the "@" sign in your mailto links with the ASCII code
> equivalent "@".
> 
> For example, if your email address is webmaster at nyphp.edu, you would do
the
> following:
> 
> <a href="mailto:webmaster at nyphp.edu">webmaster at nyphp.edu</a>
> 
> This will produce a link that says webmaster at nyphp.edu.

Sorry 'bout that.

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From dkrook at hotmail.com  Thu May  1 19:11:21 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 19:11:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
Message-ID: <BAY2-F146ZS2TRqf69a000097c9@hotmail.com>

I'm a fan of the form, with server-side email, myself.

But should the need arise (having one's email address on an on-line resume 
being the only justified reason I can think of), I would recommend 
Hiveware's (free) Enkoder:

http://www.hiveware.com/enkoder_form.php

There is also a Mac OS X desktop app for the job as well:

http://www.hiveware.com/products.php



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http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail



From wfan at encogent.com  Thu May  1 19:22:58 2003
From: wfan at encogent.com (Wellington Fan)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 19:22:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam
In-Reply-To: <200305011950.h41Jnqq3027712@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEIEHCDNAA.wfan@encogent.com>

Hello Listfolk,

This is going to be a bit of a ramble...

Firstly, here's a pretty simple obfuscator:

/////////////////////////////////////////////
// See it at: http://www.jenniferdalton.com/encoder.php
function obfuscate($s,$type="html") {
	for($i=0; $i < strlen($s); $i++) {
		$encoded  = sprintf("%02s",dechex(ord($s{$i})));
		$hexscii .= '%'.$encoded;
		$hexents .= '&#x'.$encoded.';';
	}
	return ($type=="html"?$hexents:$hexscii);
}
/////////////////////////////////////////////




Now, here's another technique with a little problem; maybe someone has a
suggestion for fixing it....

Contents of z.html:
/////////////////////////////////////////////
<html>
<head><title>Mailer</title></head>
<body>
<a href="z.php">Mail me!</a>
</body>
</html>
/////////////////////////////////////////////

contents of z.php:
/////////////////////////////////////////////
<?php
header("Location: mailto:bogo at netscape.com");
?>
/////////////////////////////////////////////

See this pair at: http://www.jenniferdalton.com/z.html

The problem being that the window in which mailme.html was residing (the
opener) gets kinda fubar ("fubar", tech. jargon - See RFC - 3032 :
http://www.zvon.org/tmRFC/RFC3092/Output/index.html )

I tried a target="_blank" but you now get an intermediate fubar window.

Suggestions?


/////////////////////////////////////////////
The cdt.org report that Hans points to
(http://www.cdt.org/speech/spam/030319spamreport.shtml) seems to suggest
that this character entity encoding is actually quite effective against
spambots. Can this be true? I would think that this html entity strategy
would be pretty easy to identify and defeat... Has anyone on the list
written a smart spambot? C'mon, 'fess up!

/////////////////////////////////////////////
Ok, one more ramble: spamgourmet kicks a**! nice disposable email addys,
that one can create on the fly... http://www.spamgourmet.com


--
spamme.8.beef23 at spamgourmet.com




From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu May  1 19:52:15 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 19:52:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
In-Reply-To: <200305012312.h41NBSuf034737@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000201c3103c$b1771740$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

This is slightly off-topic but...in light of the discussion...I thought
I'd raise the issue. I'm interested in hearing other peoples views.

This morning I received a phone call from one of my clients who "might"
be considered a spammer. He's a headhunter who sends out job offers to a
very select group of people (about 10,000 people worldwide). All his job
offers are legitimate (he's been doing this since the early days of
email and has placed people in some very high-paying positions around
the globe). He does *not* hide who he is; he does *not* use a
non-existent email account; he does *not* use a non-existent web
address. Since his is *not* an opt-in list...as soon as someone says
"Remove Me" he removes them from his list. However...now he's getting
worried. When he sends emails to potential candidates that have an MSN
address...the emails get bounced back.

Again, let me emphasize that all his job offers are legitimate. They can
be viewed at his website (he hides the name of the employer and salary
range since...as a headhunter...he doesn't want anyone doing an end run
around him. However...he also has "entry-level" jobs for students and
does not make any money on those...he offers them as a "service" to the
industry).

The point is that my client is panicking. He's worried he'll be put out
of business now that AOL, MSN, et al., are talking about ways to deal
with spam.

I'm interested to hear what others may think about this particular
situation.

Jeff



From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Thu May  1 20:03:08 2003
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:03:08 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
In-Reply-To: <200305012352.h41NqMot036792@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHAEGNFBAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

Jeff,

My definition of "spam" is unsolicited commercial email.  Thus, I
would consider your friend to be a spammer.  (I'm sure he's a very
nice spammer, but a spammer nonetheless.)

The tactics that you mention in your "he does not ..." list are not
a part of my definition of "spamming"; they are part of my definition
of "dishonest, obnoxious, stupid, arrogant spamming."

Regards,

  Ed

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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Thu May  1 20:11:31 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:11:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
References: <200305012352.h41NqMoV036792@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <049f01c3103f$62e78530$6501a8c0@Notebook>

As cold and uncaring as it sounds, if stopping someone from sending
unsolicited e-mail is going to kill their business than they need to find
another way to do their business, or lose their business.

Spam is unsolicited e-mail.  It doesn't matter weather you think you have a
legitimate reason to send Spam, it's still spam.  I'm against Spam,
unsolicited sales calls on the phone, unsolicited faxes, junk mail and all
such things.  We get commercials on TV which I have never minded, because
it's how TV gets it's money while I get TV for free.  There are adverts in
newspapers and magazines because this either pays for the rag, or helps to
keep the subscription price down to a reasonable price.  Mail is not free,
the price of mail continues to go up as the post office is struggling under
the increased load of mail where mail routes need to be made shorter and
more delivery people added.  Fax is not free, I have to pay for the paper
and ink and if its a business line I have to pay for the message units used
to receive the fax.  E-mail is not free, I have to pay a provider for it, or
buy the equipment and pay a provider to hook up to the net.

What's even worse about spam is how it's in your face.  I have kids who are
receiving spam for all kinds of perverse crap.  I don't get perverse crap in
the mail ( and even if i did, it would be in an envelop where I can choose
to throw it out before I even see the perversity ), I don't get calls from
phone sex people trying to get my business, but yet I get totally offensive
garbage in my e-mail.

I have no sympathy for anyone who uses unsolicited means to sell their
product or service.  There are enough places to advertise right now in TV,
Radio, Newspapers, Magazines, and Internet web sites.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:52 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS


> This is slightly off-topic but...in light of the discussion...I thought
> I'd raise the issue. I'm interested in hearing other peoples views.
>
> This morning I received a phone call from one of my clients who "might"
> be considered a spammer. He's a headhunter who sends out job offers to a
> very select group of people (about 10,000 people worldwide). All his job
> offers are legitimate (he's been doing this since the early days of
> email and has placed people in some very high-paying positions around
> the globe). He does *not* hide who he is; he does *not* use a
> non-existent email account; he does *not* use a non-existent web
> address. Since his is *not* an opt-in list...as soon as someone says
> "Remove Me" he removes them from his list. However...now he's getting
> worried. When he sends emails to potential candidates that have an MSN
> address...the emails get bounced back.
>
> Again, let me emphasize that all his job offers are legitimate. They can
> be viewed at his website (he hides the name of the employer and salary
> range since...as a headhunter...he doesn't want anyone doing an end run
> around him. However...he also has "entry-level" jobs for students and
> does not make any money on those...he offers them as a "service" to the
> industry).
>
> The point is that my client is panicking. He's worried he'll be put out
> of business now that AOL, MSN, et al., are talking about ways to deal
> with spam.
>
> I'm interested to hear what others may think about this particular
> situation.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu May  1 20:12:44 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:12:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
In-Reply-To: <200305020003.h42030uf037859@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000401c3103f$8ea88a20$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Ed,

I agree with you but up to a point. Is all unsolicited commercial email
necessarily spam?

Nearly all the spam I've received has come from spammers who go to great
lengths to hide their true identity. You go to the website referred to
in their email and there is nothing there. When there *is* a website,
they offer no contact information other than a form-to-mail page.

So is there a difference between the spammer who hides who he is and the
spammer who is upfront and honest about who he is? I, for one, am not
sure what the right answer is to this question. (And believe me...I am
as plagued by spam as everyone else...I average 100 UCEs per day.)

Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed McCarroll [mailto:Ed at ComSimplicity.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:03 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS


Jeff,

My definition of "spam" is unsolicited commercial email.  Thus, I would
consider your friend to be a spammer.  (I'm sure he's a very nice
spammer, but a spammer nonetheless.)

The tactics that you mention in your "he does not ..." list are not a
part of my definition of "spamming"; they are part of my definition of
"dishonest, obnoxious, stupid, arrogant spamming."

Regards,

  Ed

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From jsiegel at ezdatasolutions.com  Thu May  1 20:19:11 2003
From: jsiegel at ezdatasolutions.com (Jeffrey Siegel)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:19:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
In-Reply-To: <200305020012.h420Bcuf038698@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000501c31040$75220120$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Jim,

It's my kids that I worry most about...at least where spam is
concerned...so we are definitely in agreement there.

One part of me agrees that spam is spam no matter what level of
"honesty" may be behind it (in the case of my client). The other part of
me is concerned about my client. 

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hendricks [mailto:jim at bizcomputinginc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:12 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS


As cold and uncaring as it sounds, if stopping someone from sending
unsolicited e-mail is going to kill their business than they need to
find another way to do their business, or lose their business.

Spam is unsolicited e-mail.  It doesn't matter weather you think you
have a legitimate reason to send Spam, it's still spam.  I'm against
Spam, unsolicited sales calls on the phone, unsolicited faxes, junk mail
and all such things.  We get commercials on TV which I have never
minded, because it's how TV gets it's money while I get TV for free.
There are adverts in newspapers and magazines because this either pays
for the rag, or helps to keep the subscription price down to a
reasonable price.  Mail is not free, the price of mail continues to go
up as the post office is struggling under the increased load of mail
where mail routes need to be made shorter and more delivery people
added.  Fax is not free, I have to pay for the paper and ink and if its
a business line I have to pay for the message units used to receive the
fax.  E-mail is not free, I have to pay a provider for it, or buy the
equipment and pay a provider to hook up to the net.

What's even worse about spam is how it's in your face.  I have kids who
are receiving spam for all kinds of perverse crap.  I don't get perverse
crap in the mail ( and even if i did, it would be in an envelop where I
can choose to throw it out before I even see the perversity ), I don't
get calls from phone sex people trying to get my business, but yet I get
totally offensive garbage in my e-mail.

I have no sympathy for anyone who uses unsolicited means to sell their
product or service.  There are enough places to advertise right now in
TV, Radio, Newspapers, Magazines, and Internet web sites.

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:52 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS


> This is slightly off-topic but...in light of the discussion...I 
> thought I'd raise the issue. I'm interested in hearing other peoples 
> views.
>
> This morning I received a phone call from one of my clients who 
> "might" be considered a spammer. He's a headhunter who sends out job 
> offers to a very select group of people (about 10,000 people 
> worldwide). All his job offers are legitimate (he's been doing this 
> since the early days of email and has placed people in some very 
> high-paying positions around the globe). He does *not* hide who he is;

> he does *not* use a non-existent email account; he does *not* use a 
> non-existent web address. Since his is *not* an opt-in list...as soon 
> as someone says "Remove Me" he removes them from his list. 
> However...now he's getting worried. When he sends emails to potential 
> candidates that have an MSN address...the emails get bounced back.
>
> Again, let me emphasize that all his job offers are legitimate. They 
> can be viewed at his website (he hides the name of the employer and 
> salary range since...as a headhunter...he doesn't want anyone doing an

> end run around him. However...he also has "entry-level" jobs for 
> students and does not make any money on those...he offers them as a 
> "service" to the industry).
>
> The point is that my client is panicking. He's worried he'll be put 
> out of business now that AOL, MSN, et al., are talking about ways to 
> deal with spam.
>
> I'm interested to hear what others may think about this particular 
> situation.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>



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From jim at bizcomputinginc.com  Thu May  1 20:31:41 2003
From: jim at bizcomputinginc.com (Jim Hendricks)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:31:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
References: <200305020019.h420JGoV040278@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <04b301c31042$33fed310$6501a8c0@Notebook>

Jeff,

I'm not totally uncaring about your client, just pointing out that we live
in a changing world, and as a business owner myself I understand if I am not
able to change with the times, I don't deserve to be in business.  What your
client is doing may have been acceptable when spam was at the level of junk
mail where every now and then I receive an e-mail about legitimate business
that is sensitive enough to recognize that there are moral limits as to the
content of the e-mail because there may be minors viewing the e-mail.  But
if we make exceptions as to what e-mails are acceptable spam then the
spammers will figure out how to justify that their crap meets the
exceptions.

Your client needs to spend time investigating the other options available to
him rather than bewail the fact that the spammers have ruined for him a good
means of rapping out some business.  He needs to look at the job services
like dice where he can register as a head hunter and receive information
about people looking for jobs that are soliciting his type of e-mails.  He
needs to look at getting his own site advertised well enough that job
applicants would come to his site and enroll for his e-mails.  To act as if
the world is over because a means of marketing is going away is like crying
the sky is falling!

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Siegel" <jsiegel at ezdatasolutions.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 8:19 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS


> Jim,
>
> It's my kids that I worry most about...at least where spam is
> concerned...so we are definitely in agreement there.
>
> One part of me agrees that spam is spam no matter what level of
> "honesty" may be behind it (in the case of my client). The other part of
> me is concerned about my client.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Hendricks [mailto:jim at bizcomputinginc.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:12 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
>
>
> As cold and uncaring as it sounds, if stopping someone from sending
> unsolicited e-mail is going to kill their business than they need to
> find another way to do their business, or lose their business.
>
> Spam is unsolicited e-mail.  It doesn't matter weather you think you
> have a legitimate reason to send Spam, it's still spam.  I'm against
> Spam, unsolicited sales calls on the phone, unsolicited faxes, junk mail
> and all such things.  We get commercials on TV which I have never
> minded, because it's how TV gets it's money while I get TV for free.
> There are adverts in newspapers and magazines because this either pays
> for the rag, or helps to keep the subscription price down to a
> reasonable price.  Mail is not free, the price of mail continues to go
> up as the post office is struggling under the increased load of mail
> where mail routes need to be made shorter and more delivery people
> added.  Fax is not free, I have to pay for the paper and ink and if its
> a business line I have to pay for the message units used to receive the
> fax.  E-mail is not free, I have to pay a provider for it, or buy the
> equipment and pay a provider to hook up to the net.
>
> What's even worse about spam is how it's in your face.  I have kids who
> are receiving spam for all kinds of perverse crap.  I don't get perverse
> crap in the mail ( and even if i did, it would be in an envelop where I
> can choose to throw it out before I even see the perversity ), I don't
> get calls from phone sex people trying to get my business, but yet I get
> totally offensive garbage in my e-mail.
>
> I have no sympathy for anyone who uses unsolicited means to sell their
> product or service.  There are enough places to advertise right now in
> TV, Radio, Newspapers, Magazines, and Internet web sites.
>
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:52 PM
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
>
>
> > This is slightly off-topic but...in light of the discussion...I
> > thought I'd raise the issue. I'm interested in hearing other peoples
> > views.
> >
> > This morning I received a phone call from one of my clients who
> > "might" be considered a spammer. He's a headhunter who sends out job
> > offers to a very select group of people (about 10,000 people
> > worldwide). All his job offers are legitimate (he's been doing this
> > since the early days of email and has placed people in some very
> > high-paying positions around the globe). He does *not* hide who he is;
>
> > he does *not* use a non-existent email account; he does *not* use a
> > non-existent web address. Since his is *not* an opt-in list...as soon
> > as someone says "Remove Me" he removes them from his list.
> > However...now he's getting worried. When he sends emails to potential
> > candidates that have an MSN address...the emails get bounced back.
> >
> > Again, let me emphasize that all his job offers are legitimate. They
> > can be viewed at his website (he hides the name of the employer and
> > salary range since...as a headhunter...he doesn't want anyone doing an
>
> > end run around him. However...he also has "entry-level" jobs for
> > students and does not make any money on those...he offers them as a
> > "service" to the industry).
> >
> > The point is that my client is panicking. He's worried he'll be put
> > out of business now that AOL, MSN, et al., are talking about ways to
> > deal with spam.
> >
> > I'm interested to hear what others may think about this particular
> > situation.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>



From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Thu May  1 20:35:47 2003
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:35:47 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
In-Reply-To: <200305020012.h420Crot039454@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHGEGOFBAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

Jeff,

> I agree with you but up to a point. Is all unsolicited commercial
> email necessarily spam?

Yes, it's spam.  Spam is unsolicited commercial email.  That's the plain,
simple definition.

You seem to think that calling it "spam" means that it's dirty, rotten,
and evil.  Perhaps we'd do better trying to discuss whether there is or
is not an acceptable form of spam.

I think any unsolicited commercial email is offensive.  I also think
it should be illegal for spammers to use the dishonest tactics to
which you refer.  But these are two separate issues.  And many good
people would disagree with my position on either.

Regards,

  Ed

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu May  1 20:48:40 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:48:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
In-Reply-To: <200305020032.h420Vmuf041177@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000101c31044$95969480$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Jim,

Very, very well stated. I've been preparing a "speech" similar to your
second paragraph in anticipation of my client's follow-up phone call. 

I also think that you are correct to point out about the "moral limits"
of the email content and that is the bigger issue.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Hendricks [mailto:jim at bizcomputinginc.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:32 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS


Jeff,

I'm not totally uncaring about your client, just pointing out that we
live in a changing world, and as a business owner myself I understand if
I am not able to change with the times, I don't deserve to be in
business.  What your client is doing may have been acceptable when spam
was at the level of junk mail where every now and then I receive an
e-mail about legitimate business that is sensitive enough to recognize
that there are moral limits as to the content of the e-mail because
there may be minors viewing the e-mail.  But if we make exceptions as to
what e-mails are acceptable spam then the spammers will figure out how
to justify that their crap meets the exceptions.

Your client needs to spend time investigating the other options
available to him rather than bewail the fact that the spammers have
ruined for him a good means of rapping out some business.  He needs to
look at the job services like dice where he can register as a head
hunter and receive information about people looking for jobs that are
soliciting his type of e-mails.  He needs to look at getting his own
site advertised well enough that job applicants would come to his site
and enroll for his e-mails.  To act as if the world is over because a
means of marketing is going away is like crying the sky is falling!

Jim




From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu May  1 20:48:40 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:48:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
In-Reply-To: <200305020036.h420Zduf041966@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000001c31044$936b01f0$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Ed,

I think Jim raised an important point in his email concerning the "moral
limits" of email content. I don't consider unsolicited catalogs via
snail mail to be offensive though, when the Frederick's of Hollywood
catalog shows up (I swear! I NEVER ORDERED ANYTHING FROM THEM!) that's
when I get angry.

And so while I get annoyed when I'm asked, for the umpteenth time, to
get Gevalia coffee, I get very angry when I receive pornographic
material.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed McCarroll [mailto:Ed at ComSimplicity.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:36 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS


Jeff,

> I agree with you but up to a point. Is all unsolicited commercial 
> email necessarily spam?

Yes, it's spam.  Spam is unsolicited commercial email.  That's the
plain, simple definition.

You seem to think that calling it "spam" means that it's dirty, rotten,
and evil.  Perhaps we'd do better trying to discuss whether there is or
is not an acceptable form of spam.

I think any unsolicited commercial email is offensive.  I also think it
should be illegal for spammers to use the dishonest tactics to which you
refer.  But these are two separate issues.  And many good people would
disagree with my position on either.

Regards,

  Ed

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From chris at psydeshow.org  Thu May  1 20:51:48 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 20:51:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam
In-Reply-To: <200305011950.h41JnqvF027712@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305011950.h41JnqvF027712@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EB1C124.5020309@psydeshow.org>

Hans Zaunere wrote:

>I was sent the below today at work and thought I'd pass it on.
>
>>To prevent the harvesting of your or your organization's email address
>>from your web pages, we recommend that you implement one of the
>>two solutions offered below to replace your "mailto" links on html pages.
>>
I'm gonna get flamed by the text-only and accessibility camps for this, 
but another very effective way to advertise your email address without 
having it picked up by spambots is to use an image instead. I have a PHP 
label generator at http://chxo.com/labelgen/ that makes creating them a 
snap. There's a show source link on the page as well.

    chris.



From smanes at magpie.com  Thu May  1 21:10:57 2003
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 21:10:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
In-Reply-To: <200305012352.h41NqMst036792@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20030501204639.015f0468@192.168.111.6>

At 07:52 PM 5/1/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>The point is that my client is panicking. He's worried he'll be put out
>of business now that AOL, MSN, et al., are talking about ways to deal
>with spam.
>
>I'm interested to hear what others may think about this particular
>situation.

He has every right to panic because they're not just talking.  In the case 
of AOL, they're already doing.  I've forgotten the formula I saw a couple 
of weeks ago but if you send X emails to non-existent/expired AOL accounts 
in X days, you're automatically blackholed.  Worse, your mail will just 
disappear into the bit bucket without a bounce.

I know what the "official" definition is, but I don't think spam is 
unsolicited commercial email.  It's unsolicited, unwanted bulk email.  It's 
a lot like pornography: you know it when you see it.  If I was out of work, 
living on ramen and water, and I landed a job because I was on that 
headhunter's list, I'd have a very different opinion of those mailings than 
someone who was happily employed at 3x the salary offered.

I've gotten lots of spam that wasn't commercial, like chain letters 
demanding that I send a bunch of copies to my annoyed friends, political 
demands that I Bitch To Bush and the "prayer for the day" crap I used to 
get a couple of years ago.  Virus email is probably the most evil form of 
spam even though there's rarely a commercial purpose to it.  By the same 
token, the service advisories that Watchguard sends its customers and which 
I never opted into are both bulk and commercial, yet they contain 
information that I want.

Your friend is probably going to have to make some adjustments.  Sending a 
single job description out to 10,000 people is excessive.  I think he might 
want to trickle out some "re-opt" emails to his subscribers and in the 
future send email only to those who respond affirmatively.





From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu May  1 21:23:42 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 21:23:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS
In-Reply-To: <200305020111.h421Aguf045526@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000001c31049$78858860$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Steve,

"I think he might want to trickle out some "re-opt" emails to his
subscribers and in the 
future send email only to those who respond affirmatively."

I believe this is the way to go. 

And I should clarify one small point. He doesn't send the same job
description to 10,000 people. He sends different job descriptions to
different people based on their "specialty" areas.

As was noted in another email...my client is going to have to rethink
how he does business.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Manes [mailto:smanes at magpie.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 8:11 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam - OOPS


At 07:52 PM 5/1/2003 -0400, Jeff wrote:
>The point is that my client is panicking. He's worried he'll be put out

>of business now that AOL, MSN, et al., are talking about ways to deal 
>with spam.
>
>I'm interested to hear what others may think about this particular 
>situation.

He has every right to panic because they're not just talking.  In the
case 
of AOL, they're already doing.  I've forgotten the formula I saw a
couple 
of weeks ago but if you send X emails to non-existent/expired AOL
accounts 
in X days, you're automatically blackholed.  Worse, your mail will just 
disappear into the bit bucket without a bounce.

I know what the "official" definition is, but I don't think spam is 
unsolicited commercial email.  It's unsolicited, unwanted bulk email.
It's 
a lot like pornography: you know it when you see it.  If I was out of
work, 
living on ramen and water, and I landed a job because I was on that 
headhunter's list, I'd have a very different opinion of those mailings
than 
someone who was happily employed at 3x the salary offered.

I've gotten lots of spam that wasn't commercial, like chain letters 
demanding that I send a bunch of copies to my annoyed friends, political

demands that I Bitch To Bush and the "prayer for the day" crap I used to

get a couple of years ago.  Virus email is probably the most evil form
of 
spam even though there's rarely a commercial purpose to it.  By the same

token, the service advisories that Watchguard sends its customers and
which 
I never opted into are both bulk and commercial, yet they contain 
information that I want.

Your friend is probably going to have to make some adjustments.  Sending
a 
single job description out to 10,000 people is excessive.  I think he
might 
want to trickle out some "re-opt" emails to his subscribers and in the 
future send email only to those who respond affirmatively.





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From jfreeman at amnh.org  Thu May  1 22:21:31 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 22:21:31 -0400
Subject: gnubie questions regarding working with form contents...
In-Reply-To: <200305020051.h420ponl044415@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAD74E6B.B146%jfreeman@amnh.org>

I have a page with PHP doing the following things so far:

1) if NOT submitting, then display a form.

2) if submitting, echo the contents of the submission and insert into the
values into a database.

The insert statement is working just fine.

I'm having some problems with the echoing of the contents to the page.


Here is the echo statement I'm using to echo the inserted values:

----------snip------------

while (list($name, $value) = each($HTTP_POST_VARS)) {

    echo "$name = $value<br>.\
";

----------snip------------


problem number one is:  I forgot how to do that using 'foreach' instead of
while()  each()...

problem number two is: because of contents of $HTTP_POST_VARS, "submit =
submit " is coming up as a result of the

echo "$name = $value<br>.\
"

statement.

In other words, in addition to showing the submitter the values of his/her
submission, s/he's also seeing that 'submit=submit' is a value too...


The next problem is that I need to take the submitted name/value pairs and
format and send an email with them to one email address... I have no idea
how do that though I know it involves $HTTP_POST_VARS again...

I want to do this all on one page.

Any help/pointers appreciated!

Thanks!

Joshua



From greg at mbwpartners.net  Thu May  1 22:38:08 2003
From: greg at mbwpartners.net (Greg Wilson)
Date: 01 May 2003 22:38:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] gnubie questions regarding working with form
	contents...
In-Reply-To: <200305020222.h422LZt3048134@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305020222.h422LZt3048134@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1051843087.27932.8.camel@banner>

On Thu, 2003-05-01 at 22:21, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> I have a page with PHP doing the following things so far:
> 
> 1) if NOT submitting, then display a form.
> 
> 2) if submitting, echo the contents of the submission and insert into the
> values into a database.
> 
> The insert statement is working just fine.
> 
> I'm having some problems with the echoing of the contents to the page.
> 
> 
> Here is the echo statement I'm using to echo the inserted values:
> 
> ----------snip------------
> 
> while (list($name, $value) = each($HTTP_POST_VARS)) {
> 
>     echo "$name = $value<br>.\
";
> 
> ----------snip------------
> 
> 
> problem number one is:  I forgot how to do that using 'foreach' instead of
> while()  each()...

try:
foreach ($arr as $key => $value) {
    echo "Key: $key; Value: $value<br>\
";
}


> 
> problem number two is: because of contents of $HTTP_POST_VARS, "submit =
> submit " is coming up as a result of the
> 
> echo "$name = $value<br>.\
"
> 
> statement.
> 
> In other words, in addition to showing the submitter the values of his/her
> submission, s/he's also seeing that 'submit=submit' is a value too...
> 

before your foreach:
unset ($HTTP_POST_VARS['submit']);
this will pull it out of the array

> 
> The next problem is that I need to take the submitted name/value pairs and
> format and send an email with them to one email address... I have no idea
> how do that though I know it involves $HTTP_POST_VARS again...
> 

change the foreach statement above to:
foreach ($arr as $key => $value) {
    echo "Key: $key; Value: $value<br>\
";
    $message .= "Key: $key; Value: $value<br>\
";
}

and then use the mail function, something like:
mail($contactemail, $subject, $message, $headers);
to send the values.


> I want to do this all on one page.
> 
> Any help/pointers appreciated!
> 

hope that helps!

greg


> Thanks!
> 
> Joshua
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 



From jfreeman at amnh.org  Thu May  1 22:39:59 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 22:39:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] gnubie questions regarding working with form
	contents...
In-Reply-To: <200305020238.h422cFnl049108@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAD752BF.B14E%jfreeman@amnh.org>

brilliant Greg..

I'll try it all out tomorrow and let everyone know how it worked out.

Thanks!

g'night!

J.

On 5/1/03 10:38 PM, "Greg Wilson" <greg at mbwpartners.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 2003-05-01 at 22:21, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
>> I have a page with PHP doing the following things so far:
>> 
>> 1) if NOT submitting, then display a form.
>> 
>> 2) if submitting, echo the contents of the submission and insert into the
>> values into a database.
>> 
>> The insert statement is working just fine.
>> 
>> I'm having some problems with the echoing of the contents to the page.
>> 
>> 
>> Here is the echo statement I'm using to echo the inserted values:
>> 
>> ----------snip------------
>> 
>> while (list($name, $value) = each($HTTP_POST_VARS)) {
>> 
>>     echo "$name = $value<br>.\
";
>> 
>> ----------snip------------
>> 
>> 
>> problem number one is:  I forgot how to do that using 'foreach' instead of
>> while()  each()...
> 
> try:
> foreach ($arr as $key => $value) {
>   echo "Key: $key; Value: $value<br>\
";
> }
> 
> 
>> 
>> problem number two is: because of contents of $HTTP_POST_VARS, "submit =
>> submit " is coming up as a result of the
>> 
>> echo "$name = $value<br>.\
"
>> 
>> statement.
>> 
>> In other words, in addition to showing the submitter the values of his/her
>> submission, s/he's also seeing that 'submit=submit' is a value too...
>> 
> 
> before your foreach:
> unset ($HTTP_POST_VARS['submit']);
> this will pull it out of the array
> 
>> 
>> The next problem is that I need to take the submitted name/value pairs and
>> format and send an email with them to one email address... I have no idea
>> how do that though I know it involves $HTTP_POST_VARS again...
>> 
> 
> change the foreach statement above to:
> foreach ($arr as $key => $value) {
>   echo "Key: $key; Value: $value<br>\
";
>   $message .= "Key: $key; Value: $value<br>\
";
> }
> 
> and then use the mail function, something like:
> mail($contactemail, $subject, $message, $headers);
> to send the values.
> 
> 
>> I want to do this all on one page.
>> 
>> Any help/pointers appreciated!
>> 
> 
> hope that helps!
> 
> greg
> 
> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Joshua
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 



From pinyo at nyc.rr.com  Thu May  1 22:58:08 2003
From: pinyo at nyc.rr.com (Pinyo Bhulipongsanon)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 22:58:08 -0400
Subject: Pass by reference has been deprecated?
References: <200305020238.h422cFtx049108@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <007901c31056$a8da3350$10c8a8c0@hewlettlydtpep>

Hello,

I need your expert help please. Can someone tell me more information about
this warning?  If the pass-by-reference is going away, then how do I change
the value of multiple variables through a function?

Thank you so much for your help.

Pinyo

Warning: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated - argument passed
by value; If you would like to pass it by reference, modify the declaration
of [runtime function name](). If you would like to enable call-time
pass-by-reference, you can set allow_call_time_pass_reference to true in
your INI file. However, future versions may not support this any longer. in
/usr/www/users/markzill/marktaw/commenter/commenter.php on line 22



From greg at mbwpartners.net  Thu May  1 23:00:41 2003
From: greg at mbwpartners.net (Greg Wilson)
Date: 01 May 2003 23:00:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] gnubie questions regarding working with form
	contents...
In-Reply-To: <200305020240.h422e4t3049870@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305020240.h422e4t3049870@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1051844441.27932.24.camel@banner>

Joshua

You'll probably want to dump the POST variables into a different array
before you unset. Try:

$arr = array();
$arr = $HTTP_POST_VARS;       // or is it $arr[] = $HTTP_POST_VARS;
unset($arr['submit']);
foreach ($arr as $key => $value) {
 echo "Key: $key; Value: $value<br>\
";
 $message .= $key ." = ". $value ."<br>\
";
}

Good luck!

greg


On Thu, 2003-05-01 at 22:40, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> brilliant Greg..
> 
> I'll try it all out tomorrow and let everyone know how it worked out.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> g'night!
> 
> J.
> 
> On 5/1/03 10:38 PM, "Greg Wilson" <greg at mbwpartners.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2003-05-01 at 22:21, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:

<SNIP>



From nyphp at websapp.com  Thu May  1 23:12:26 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:12:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] gnubie questions regarding working with form contents...
In-Reply-To: <200305020301.h4230lxt051658@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJOEICJMAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

> $arr = array();
> $arr = $HTTP_POST_VARS;       // or is it $arr[] = $HTTP_POST_VARS;


Please note that there is no reason to declare $arr as an array (and create
new array). $arr = $_POST  copies the $_POST array to the new variable $arr.

--Daniel




From gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com  Thu May  1 23:11:52 2003
From: gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com (George Webb)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:11:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] gnubie questions regarding working with form contents...
Message-ID: <200305020311.h423Brop010876@gw00.com>

J.,

	Don't forget that if you're outputting your results
to a web (HTML) page, you need to run htmlspecialchars() on
them so that any HTML entities will appear properly:

foreach ( $arr as $key => $value ) {
	$key = htmlspecialchars ( $key );
	$value = htmlspecialchars ( $value );
	echo "Key: $key; Value: $value<BR>\
";
}


	As a shortcut, if you know your "keys" are all already
safe for HTML, you can skip the htmlspecialchars() for each $key,
and just escape the "values."  (But often you never *really* know;
someone could easily spoof your form and repost their own key/value
pairs.)

	A lot of web applications neglect this HTML escaping
issue, which causes problems, including security risks!  Example:
the user could type a <SCRIPT> block into one of the input fields,
which, when you echo it back un-escaped, would cause it to execute
under the authority of *your* webserver's domain!

	In general, unless you know that your text data is valid
(and safe!) HTML, you almost (?) always should run htmlspecialchars()
on it before sending it to a web browser.  In addition, you might
also want to use nl2br() to add appropriate line breaks.

	Regarding Greg's post:

$arr = $HTTP_POST_VARS;    // or is it $arr[] = $HTTP_POST_VARS;

the comment is not correct.  $array = $other_array is correct.
Plus, with PHP > 4.1.0, $_POST works better than $HTTP_POST_VARS,
which is deprecated.  Also, you can modify the built-in $_POST
array just fine, in my experience; no need to copy it to modify it.


Best, George.	

George Webb
gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com


From gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com  Thu May  1 23:13:45 2003
From: gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com (George Webb)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:13:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pass by reference has been deprecated?
Message-ID: <200305020313.h423Dju3010900@gw00.com>

Pinyo,

	What version of PHP are you using?


George Webb
gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com


From nyphp at websapp.com  Thu May  1 23:43:09 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:43:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pass by reference has been deprecated?
In-Reply-To: <200305020259.h422wAxt050819@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJMEIDJMAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Hi Pinyo,

You would want to have your '&' in the function definition and not the
function call.
Example:
function foo(&$var) {
    ++$var;
}
$bar=1;
foo ($bar);

($bar is now 2)


--Daniel





> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pinyo Bhulipongsanon [mailto:pinyo at nyc.rr.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 10:58 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pass by reference has been deprecated?
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I need your expert help please. Can someone tell me more information about
> this warning?  If the pass-by-reference is going away, then how
> do I change
> the value of multiple variables through a function?
>
> Thank you so much for your help.
>
> Pinyo
>
> Warning: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated - argument passed
> by value; If you would like to pass it by reference, modify the
> declaration
> of [runtime function name](). If you would like to enable call-time
> pass-by-reference, you can set allow_call_time_pass_reference to true in
> your INI file. However, future versions may not support this any
> longer. in
> /usr/www/users/markzill/marktaw/commenter/commenter.php on line 22
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>




From pinyo at nyc.rr.com  Fri May  2 06:00:17 2003
From: pinyo at nyc.rr.com (Pinyo Bhulipongsanon)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 06:00:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pass by reference has been deprecated?
References: <200305020314.h423Dltx054124@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001b01c31091$a27d2a40$10c8a8c0@hewlettlydtpep>

Thank you George.  I do not know the version.  This is someone else server
and he did not get back to me yet.

Pinyo

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Webb" <gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Pass by reference has been deprecated?


> Pinyo,
>
> What version of PHP are you using?
>
>
> George Webb
> gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From pinyo at nyc.rr.com  Fri May  2 06:01:06 2003
From: pinyo at nyc.rr.com (Pinyo Bhulipongsanon)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 06:01:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pass by reference has been deprecated?
References: <200305020338.h423cLtx055130@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002101c31091$bfc77c90$10c8a8c0@hewlettlydtpep>

Thank you Daniel.  This could be the problem.  I will ask him to try and
remove & from all the function calls.

Pinyo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Kushner" <nyphp at websapp.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 11:38 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Pass by reference has been deprecated?


> Hi Pinyo,
>
> You would want to have your '&' in the function definition and not the
> function call.
> Example:
> function foo(&$var) {
>     ++$var;
> }
> $bar=1;
> foo ($bar);
>
> ($bar is now 2)
>
>
> --Daniel
>
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pinyo Bhulipongsanon [mailto:pinyo at nyc.rr.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 10:58 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] Pass by reference has been deprecated?
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I need your expert help please. Can someone tell me more information
about
> > this warning?  If the pass-by-reference is going away, then how
> > do I change
> > the value of multiple variables through a function?
> >
> > Thank you so much for your help.
> >
> > Pinyo
> >
> > Warning: Call-time pass-by-reference has been deprecated - argument
passed
> > by value; If you would like to pass it by reference, modify the
> > declaration
> > of [runtime function name](). If you would like to enable call-time
> > pass-by-reference, you can set allow_call_time_pass_reference to true in
> > your INI file. However, future versions may not support this any
> > longer. in
> > /usr/www/users/markzill/marktaw/commenter/commenter.php on line 22
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
>



From pinyo at nyc.rr.com  Fri May  2 06:24:10 2003
From: pinyo at nyc.rr.com (Pinyo Bhulipongsanon)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 06:24:10 -0400
Subject: PeterSaw, how about a tutorial on RSS feed?
References: <200305021001.h42A17tx062868@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <005f01c31094$f89cb690$10c8a8c0@hewlettlydtpep>

Hi Peter,

How do I turn something like this 
http://www.marktaw.com/rss.xml

To show up in my web site?

Thanks,

Pinyo


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  2 08:34:23 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 08:34:23 -0400
Subject: Newbie question - multi-select list box
Message-ID: <001a01c310a7$29e59340$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I have a multi-select list on a form that posts to itself. However,
while other items, such as text boxes retain their values (I'm using
something like <?php echo $_POST['DL_sAddr2'] ?> ) I'm scratchin' my
head on how to do the same with the multi-select list.

TIA,

Jeff



From nyphp at websapp.com  Fri May  2 08:46:21 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 08:46:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box
In-Reply-To: <200305021235.h42CYVxt067979@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <KHEIIHMNNIFIGCMGGFDJCEIKJMAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Jeff,

Can you send a snippet of the HTML. 

--Daniel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:35 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box
> 
> 
> I have a multi-select list on a form that posts to itself. However,
> while other items, such as text boxes retain their values (I'm using
> something like <?php echo $_POST['DL_sAddr2'] ?> ) I'm scratchin' my
> head on how to do the same with the multi-select list.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  2 09:00:05 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:00:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box
In-Reply-To: <200305021242.h42CfXuf069309@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001e01c310aa$c09bda30$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Daniel, 


Here's the code that generates the multi-select box. What I'm wondering
is how to get the 'selected' to show up when the user has posted (the
form posts to itself and I want to retain the values in the form). I'm
assuming I have to do something like looping through the array for
DL_mCategories since the user can select multiple items.

<td><select name="DL_mCategories[]" size="6" multiple
id="DL_mCategories">
 <?php
	do {  
	?>
	<option value="<?php echo $row_Search_Cats['DS_ID']?>"><?php
echo $row_Search_Cats['DS_sCatDescrip']?></option>
		<?php
			} while ($row_Search_Cats =
mysql_fetch_assoc($Search_Cats));
			$rows = mysql_num_rows($Search_Cats);
			if($rows > 0) {
			mysql_data_seek($Search_Cats, 0);
			$row_Search_Cats =
mysql_fetch_assoc($Search_Cats);
			}
		?>
	</select></td>



-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Kushner [mailto:nyphp at websapp.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 7:42 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box


Jeff,

Can you send a snippet of the HTML. 

--Daniel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:35 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box
> 
> 
> I have a multi-select list on a form that posts to itself. However, 
> while other items, such as text boxes retain their values (I'm using 
> something like <?php echo $_POST['DL_sAddr2'] ?> ) I'm scratchin' my 
> head on how to do the same with the multi-select list.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From brent at landover.com  Fri May  2 09:38:16 2003
From: brent at landover.com (Brent Baisley)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:38:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box
In-Reply-To: <200305021234.h42CYVsZ067979@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5430A700-7CA3-11D7-B5CD-0050E4C5CF70@landover.com>

Since a multi-select can contain multiple values, you need to use a 
variable that can hold multiple values. If you add brakcets [] to your 
field name for the multi-select, then the values will be contained in 
an array by that name.

<select name="varName[]" multiple size=5>

On Friday, May 2, 2003, at 08:34 AM, Jeff wrote:

> I have a multi-select list on a form that posts to itself. However,
> while other items, such as text boxes retain their values (I'm using
> something like <?php echo $_POST['DL_sAddr2'] ?> ) I'm scratchin' my
> head on how to do the same with the multi-select list.
>
-- 
Brent Baisley
Systems Architect
Landover Associates, Inc.
Search & Advisory Services for Advanced Technology Environments
p: 212.759.6400/800.759.0577



From dsexton at ubspw.com  Fri May  2 09:39:40 2003
From: dsexton at ubspw.com (Sexton, David)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:39:40 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam
Message-ID: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789DD2@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>

I've found that the best solution is to use an HTML form w/ a server-side
script to send a message.
Unless it's absolutely necessary for you to distribute your e-mail address,
then why not direct them to your site's contact form?

The other thing you could do is publish it as an image, although you may
have to use a stenciled, wavy style to prevent OCR bots from interpreting
it.
When they click the image, have it open an HTML mail form, rather than using
mailto: to instantiate a mail client.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed McCarroll [mailto:Ed at ComSimplicity.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 5:40 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam


Um, (unless I'm missing something) the methods below both produce
machine-readable email addresses.  SpamBots are as capable as browsers
at executing JavaScript and then interpreting the results.

The neatest trick I've heard about had to do with a mouseover handler
that changed the href of an <a> tag on the fly.  I haven't tried it,
and am wondering if the same can be done for a screenshot image
depicting the address.

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ComSimplicity                                      (310) 838-4330
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From chris at psydeshow.org  Fri May  2 09:51:36 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:51:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PeterSaw, how about a tutorial on RSS feed?
In-Reply-To: <200305021024.h42AOCvF064188@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305021024.h42AOCvF064188@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EB277E8.9040502@psydeshow.org>

Pinyo Bhulipongsanon wrote:

>How do I turn something like this 
>http://www.marktaw.com/rss.xml
>
>To show up in my web site?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Pinyo
>
>  
>
There are a number of solutions out there for parsing and displaying RSS 
data using PHP -- look in the PEAR classes, there's also Fase 4's 
excellent RDF class at http://www.fase4.com/rdf/

If you want more of a turn-key, right-now solution, take a look at 
Feedsplitter -- a project of mine that parses the RSS and renders it 
using any number of server-side templates-- including javascript 
templates so that you can include the output in a static webpage using a 
<script> tag. It may need a little work, please feel free to email me if 
want to install it on your own server:
http://chxo.com/feedsplitter/index.php

Happy parsing!

    chris.



From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Fri May  2 09:58:10 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:58:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PeterSaw, how about a tutorial on RSS feed?
In-Reply-To: <200305021024.h42AOCvj064188@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305021024.h42AOCvj064188@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <24125-05096@sneakemail.com>

Hi Pinyo,

I can recommend very highly the PEAR RSS parser at 
http://pear.php.net/package-info.php?pacid=22.  It's a snap to use and 
I've had great results.

I use it on my website, http://www.gadhra.com, to get RSS feeds from 
some sites I like.  Here's how I use it:

<?php
   /*  Here's a little function to iterate through the channel array  */
    function parse_feed($arr,$num) {
      $str = "<ul>";
      for ($i=0;$i<$num;$i++) {
        $str .= "<li><a href=\\"".$arr[$i]['link']."\\" 
target=\\"".$arr[$i]['title']."\\">".$arr[$i]['title']."</a></li>";
      }
      $str .= "</ul>";
      return $str;
    }

    /*  create a new object from the XML_RSS class and parse that sucker */
    $rss =& new XML_RSS("http://enter_rss_feed_here");
    $rss->parse();
   $channels = $rss->getChannelInfo();

  /*  Now, display the feed using the parse_feed function */
?>
<html>
<body>
<a href="<?=$channels['link']; ?>" target="<?=$channels['title']; 
?>"><?=$channels['title']; ?></a>
<?= parse_feed($rss->getItems(),3); ?>
</body>
</html>


That's all there is to it!
+gadhra+ (Stefan)



Pinyo Bhulipongsanon pinyo-at-nyc.rr.com |NY PHP| wrote:

>Hi Peter,
>
>How do I turn something like this 
>http://www.marktaw.com/rss.xml
>
>To show up in my web site?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Pinyo
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

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From chris at psydeshow.org  Fri May  2 09:59:14 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:59:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam
In-Reply-To: <200305021340.h42DdhvF072913@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305021340.h42DdhvF072913@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EB279B2.3020507@psydeshow.org>

Sexton, David wrote:

>The other thing you could do is publish it as an image, although you may
>have to use a stenciled, wavy style to prevent OCR bots from interpreting
>it.
>  
>
True, but unless you call it email.gif a spammer would have to OCR every 
image on your site.

>I've found that the best solution is to use an HTML form w/ a server-side
>script to send a message.
>
I like the combination approach-- email as image, but links to contact 
form. At least then people who can't read images can still contact you, 
and people who hate webforms can email you.

As a side note if you've never done this, keep the email address that 
the form responds to strictly server-side. There are a lot of old 
form-to-mail scripts out there that accept the email address as a post 
variable, which makes them an excellent outgoing mail server for spammers.

    chris.



From chris at psydeshow.org  Fri May  2 10:05:51 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:05:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] gnubie questions regarding working with form contents...
In-Reply-To: <200305020240.h422e4vF049870@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305020240.h422e4vF049870@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EB27B3F.5070604@psydeshow.org>

Joshua S. Freeman wrote:

>I'll try it all out tomorrow and let everyone know how it worked out.
>
>
>On 5/1/03 10:38 PM, "Greg Wilson" <greg at mbwpartners.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>before your foreach:
>>unset ($HTTP_POST_VARS['submit']);
>>this will pull it out of the array
>>
A another solution might be to just continue the foreach if you 
encounter a variable you don't want to display:

foreach ($_POST as $key=>$value) {
    if ($key=="submit") *continue*;
    print "$key => $value<br />/r/n";
}






From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  2 10:07:05 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:07:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box
In-Reply-To: <200305021338.h42Dbouf072146@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002501c310b4$1de12d40$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Correct. However, if the form posts to itself and I want to retain on
the form the selection(s) made by the user...how would I do that?

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Baisley [mailto:brent at landover.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 8:38 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box


Since a multi-select can contain multiple values, you need to use a 
variable that can hold multiple values. If you add brakcets [] to your 
field name for the multi-select, then the values will be contained in 
an array by that name.

<select name="varName[]" multiple size=5>

On Friday, May 2, 2003, at 08:34 AM, Jeff wrote:

> I have a multi-select list on a form that posts to itself. However, 
> while other items, such as text boxes retain their values (I'm using 
> something like <?php echo $_POST['DL_sAddr2'] ?> ) I'm scratchin' my 
> head on how to do the same with the multi-select list.
>
-- 
Brent Baisley
Systems Architect
Landover Associates, Inc.
Search & Advisory Services for Advanced Technology Environments
p: 212.759.6400/800.759.0577



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From neerajrattu at consultant.com  Fri May  2 10:09:29 2003
From: neerajrattu at consultant.com (Neeraj Rattu)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 09:09:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box
Message-ID: <20030502140929.48041.qmail@mail.com>

Get data from database. You should get it in a Array if you have stored every thing in one field which i hope you have done it.

Now simply explode it and display it.

I could not get any help from the web. So i did it my way. Hope this will help you


<?php
$Parking = explode("," ,$PropertyDetails[Parking_Garaging]);
//$count = count($Parking);
//echo $Parking[$i];
//while($count < 4)
//for($i=0;$i<=5;$i++)
foreach ($Parking as $value)
{
if($value =="Carport")
{
$value1 = $value;
}
if($value =="Single Garage")
{
$value2 = $value;
}
?>
<select name="Parking_Garaging[]"  multiple size="6">
<option value="Carport"
<?php
//if($PropertyDetails[Parking_Garaging]=="Carport")
if($value1 =="Carport")
{											 echo "Selected";
}
?>
>Carport</option>
<option value="Single Garage"
<?php
//if($PropertyDetails[Parking_Garaging]=="Single Garage")
if($value2 =="Single Garage")
{
echo "Selected";
}
?>
>Single Garage</option>

Regards,
Neeraj Rattu
Project Manager(PHP/MYSQL/APACHE/LINUX)
InterLink Marketing Systems
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
Date: Fri,  2 May 2003 08:34:31 -0400
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box

I have a multi-select list on a form that posts to itself. However,
while other items, such as text boxes retain their values (I'm using
something like <?php echo $_POST['DL_sAddr2'] ?> ) I'm scratchin' my
head on how to do the same with the multi-select list.

TIA,

Jeff



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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  2 10:28:59 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:28:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box
In-Reply-To: <200305021410.h42E9muf078828@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002d01c310b7$2c37f470$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Actually, I wasn't going to store it in a single field. Each item needed
to be stored in a separate field. But I'll hang on to this code since it
will help me with some other problems I'm working on.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Neeraj Rattu [mailto:neerajrattu at consultant.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:10 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box


Get data from database. You should get it in a Array if you have stored
every thing in one field which i hope you have done it.

Now simply explode it and display it.

I could not get any help from the web. So i did it my way. Hope this
will help you


<?php
$Parking = explode("," ,$PropertyDetails[Parking_Garaging]);
//$count = count($Parking);
//echo $Parking[$i];
//while($count < 4)
//for($i=0;$i<=5;$i++)
foreach ($Parking as $value)
{
if($value =="Carport")
{
$value1 = $value;
}
if($value =="Single Garage")
{
$value2 = $value;
}
?>
<select name="Parking_Garaging[]"  multiple size="6">
<option value="Carport"
<?php
//if($PropertyDetails[Parking_Garaging]=="Carport")
if($value1 =="Carport")
{
echo "Selected";
}
?>
>Carport</option>
<option value="Single Garage"
<?php
//if($PropertyDetails[Parking_Garaging]=="Single Garage") if($value2
=="Single Garage") { echo "Selected"; } ?>
>Single Garage</option>

Regards,
Neeraj Rattu
Project Manager(PHP/MYSQL/APACHE/LINUX)
InterLink Marketing Systems
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
Date: Fri,  2 May 2003 08:34:31 -0400
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box

I have a multi-select list on a form that posts to itself. However,
while other items, such as text boxes retain their values (I'm using
something like <?php echo $_POST['DL_sAddr2'] ?> ) I'm scratchin' my
head on how to do the same with the multi-select list.

TIA,

Jeff







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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  2 10:32:27 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:32:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box
In-Reply-To: <200305021410.h42E9muf078828@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <003401c310b7$a866b9f0$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Small clarification.

Here is the post variable from the multi-select box (I used
print_r($_post) to get this). DL_mCategories is the name of the select
box. 

 [DL_mCategories] => Array ( [0] => 2 [1] => 11 [2] => 3 ) 

The question is, how do I manipulate that array so that the multi-select
box is "preselected" with the user's selections. That is, when the form
posts to itself I don't want the user's selections to disappear.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Neeraj Rattu [mailto:neerajrattu at consultant.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:10 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box


Get data from database. You should get it in a Array if you have stored
every thing in one field which i hope you have done it.

Now simply explode it and display it.

I could not get any help from the web. So i did it my way. Hope this
will help you


<?php
$Parking = explode("," ,$PropertyDetails[Parking_Garaging]);
//$count = count($Parking);
//echo $Parking[$i];
//while($count < 4)
//for($i=0;$i<=5;$i++)
foreach ($Parking as $value)
{
if($value =="Carport")
{
$value1 = $value;
}
if($value =="Single Garage")
{
$value2 = $value;
}
?>
<select name="Parking_Garaging[]"  multiple size="6">
<option value="Carport"
<?php
//if($PropertyDetails[Parking_Garaging]=="Carport")
if($value1 =="Carport")
{
echo "Selected";
}
?>
>Carport</option>
<option value="Single Garage"
<?php
//if($PropertyDetails[Parking_Garaging]=="Single Garage") if($value2
=="Single Garage") { echo "Selected"; } ?>
>Single Garage</option>

Regards,
Neeraj Rattu
Project Manager(PHP/MYSQL/APACHE/LINUX)
InterLink Marketing Systems
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
Date: Fri,  2 May 2003 08:34:31 -0400
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box

I have a multi-select list on a form that posts to itself. However,
while other items, such as text boxes retain their values (I'm using
something like <?php echo $_POST['DL_sAddr2'] ?> ) I'm scratchin' my
head on how to do the same with the multi-select list.

TIA,

Jeff







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From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Fri May  2 10:37:14 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 10:37:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box
In-Reply-To: <200305021433.h42EWZvj080676@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305021433.h42EWZvj080676@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <2877-66057@sneakemail.com>

I think you need to generate your select box via a function, and not 
straight in HTML. A little bit less efficient, I know, but maybe one of 
the only ways to get the result you want.

Here's a quick function that I think will work (I didn't test it, but 
there you go):

function select_box($name,$option,$post='') {
  if ( empty ($post) ) {
    $post = array();
  }
 
  $str = "\
<select name=\\"$name[]\\" size=\\"10\\" multiple>";
  foreach ($option as $key=>$val) {
    if ( in_array($val,$post) ) {
      $str .="<option value=\\"$val\\" selected>$key</option>\
";
    } else {
      $str .= "<option value=\\"$val\\">$key</option>\
";
    }
  }
  $str .= "</select>\
";
  return $str;
}

So, let's say your option string, that you get from your database or 
whatever, looks like this:
$option = array (
        'Select text 1'=>1,
        'Select text 2'=>2,
        'Select text 3'=>3
      )
     

Put the result of this function in a variable, and echo it out on your 
webpage:
$displaySelect = select_box('MultipleSelect',$option);
echo $displaySelect;

If you error out, and want to redisplay the multiple selects, you only 
need to run something like:

if (isset ($error) ) {
  $displaySelect = 
select_box('MultipleSelect',$option,$_POST['MultipleSelect']);
}


echo out the $displaySelect, and you should be set.

I can't speak the veracity of this particular code (I didn't test it), 
but I know the principle behind it works quite well.

+gadhra+(Stefan)

Jeff jsiegel1-at-optonline.net |NY PHP| wrote:

>Small clarification.
>
>Here is the post variable from the multi-select box (I used
>print_r($_post) to get this). DL_mCategories is the name of the select
>box. 
>
> [DL_mCategories] => Array ( [0] => 2 [1] => 11 [2] => 3 ) 
>
>The question is, how do I manipulate that array so that the multi-select
>box is "preselected" with the user's selections. That is, when the form
>posts to itself I don't want the user's selections to disappear.
>
>Jeff
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Neeraj Rattu [mailto:neerajrattu at consultant.com] 
>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:10 AM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box
>
>  
>



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  2 11:20:44 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 11:20:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box
In-Reply-To: <200305021438.h42EbXuf081495@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <004b01c310be$6744d220$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Thank you so much for this code. Now I have a direction to go in.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: gadhra [mailto:bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:38 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box


I think you need to generate your select box via a function, and not 
straight in HTML. A little bit less efficient, I know, but maybe one of 
the only ways to get the result you want.

Here's a quick function that I think will work (I didn't test it, but 
there you go):

function select_box($name,$option,$post='') {
  if ( empty ($post) ) {
    $post = array();
  }
 
  $str = "\
<select name=\\"$name[]\\" size=\\"10\\" multiple>";
  foreach ($option as $key=>$val) {
    if ( in_array($val,$post) ) {
      $str .="<option value=\\"$val\\" selected>$key</option>\
";
    } else {
      $str .= "<option value=\\"$val\\">$key</option>\
";
    }
  }
  $str .= "</select>\
";
  return $str;
}

So, let's say your option string, that you get from your database or 
whatever, looks like this:
$option = array (
        'Select text 1'=>1,
        'Select text 2'=>2,
        'Select text 3'=>3
      )
     

Put the result of this function in a variable, and echo it out on your 
webpage:
$displaySelect = select_box('MultipleSelect',$option);
echo $displaySelect;

If you error out, and want to redisplay the multiple selects, you only 
need to run something like:

if (isset ($error) ) {
  $displaySelect = 
select_box('MultipleSelect',$option,$_POST['MultipleSelect']);
}


echo out the $displaySelect, and you should be set.

I can't speak the veracity of this particular code (I didn't test it), 
but I know the principle behind it works quite well.

+gadhra+(Stefan)

Jeff jsiegel1-at-optonline.net |NY PHP| wrote:

>Small clarification.
>
>Here is the post variable from the multi-select box (I used
>print_r($_post) to get this). DL_mCategories is the name of the select 
>box.
>
> [DL_mCategories] => Array ( [0] => 2 [1] => 11 [2] => 3 )
>
>The question is, how do I manipulate that array so that the 
>multi-select box is "preselected" with the user's selections. That is, 
>when the form posts to itself I don't want the user's selections to 
>disappear.
>
>Jeff
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Neeraj Rattu [mailto:neerajrattu at consultant.com]
>Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 9:10 AM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Newbie question - multi-select list box
>
>  
>



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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri May  2 16:24:38 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:24:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam
In-Reply-To: <200305011949.h41Jnqnn027712@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305011949.h41Jnqnn027712@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030502202438.GA16565@panix.com>

Hi Folks:

On Thu, May 01, 2003 at 03:49:52PM -0400, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> 
> > To prevent the harvesting of your or your organization's email address
> > from your web pages, we recommend that you implement one of the
> > two solutions...

Here's a very interesting study about where spammers get their email 
addresses from:

http://www.cdt.org/speech/spam/030319spamreport.pdf

As we all suspected, the main one is web page spiders.  They found that, 
for now, hiding addresses using HTML Character Entities is enough to foil 
the spammers.

I strongly advise against JavaScript solutions, since not all people have 
JavaScript on, let alone, available.

I tend to use a server side form, as others have suggested.  There's an
easy to use, secure, one in my Form Solution class.  All it takes is two
lines to instantiate the class and one line to call the method.  Can't
beat it.  It's available via the link in my signature, below.

By the way, I've overhauled my website and programs.  The site is easier
to navigate, plus the scripts are now open sourced, so go check 'em out!  
I'm polishing off the revisions to the Java version of the Credit Card
Validation Solution at this moment.

Enjoy,

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From dmintz at panix.com  Sat May  3 23:00:27 2003
From: dmintz at panix.com (David Mintz)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 23:00:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Masking Emails and Avoiding Spam
In-Reply-To: <200305021400.h42DxGut075974@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305021400.h42DxGut075974@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.53.0305032207050.2368@panix5.panix.com>

On Fri, 2 May 2003, Chris Snyder wrote:

> I like the combination approach-- email as image, but links to contact
> form. At least then people who can't read images can still contact you,
> and people who hate webforms can email you.

I recently rolled my own whitelist script (in Perl) that consults a DB
file to see if the return-path of incoming mail matches an address or
domain found in my database. If it's not, it sends back a note saying gee
I'm so sorry, your email has been rejected by my antispam system bla bla
bla, please go to http://dmintzweb.com/whitelist.php to submit a request
to have your email added to my whitelist and sorry for the inconvenience.
I manually evaluate every such request. Usually, of course, my canned
counter-messages bounce because the address is bogus, and I route them
into the trash. But here's the funny part:  I got a whitelist request from
one of the Nigerian oil ministry scammers, you know, the URGENT BUSINESS
PROPOSAL dudes. The guy apparently had taken the trouble to fill in the
form manually and submit it, putting his spiel in the Comments textarea.
Woa.

It's working good. Occasionally someone legit get inconvenienced, but I'm
beating fully 100% of the penis enlargement crap (and cheerfully muddling
along just fine with my little one, thanks).


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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Sun May  4 21:52:10 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 21:52:10 -0400
Subject: Survey results
Message-ID: <001201c312a8$f200f2e0$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Has anyone analyzed the results of the questionnaires from PHP CON?

Jeff



From ophir at prusak.com  Mon May  5 10:04:04 2003
From: ophir at prusak.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:04:04 -0400
Subject: Using cURL to login to a page
References: <200304301432.h3UEVYvB085054@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000d01c3130f$2fd19f50$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

I'm trying to write a script that will login to a username password
restricted page so I can grep the page for some info.

I'm trying to do this with cURL, but for some reason, I always get
redirected back to the login page (with an error=1 in the URL).

The site is using cold fusion.

The login page is http://www.audienceextras.com/extrasapp/login/login.cfm
though if you go to their homepage at http://www.audienceextras.com/ and
click on member login, you get extra data in the URL as such
http://www.audienceextras.com/extrasapp/login/login.cfm?CFID=423367&CFTOKEN=5daa9ea-b5ba6910-7e3a-11d7-85fd-00508bc99e4f

Here's the code I'm currently using:

<?
$ch = curl_init();

curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_COOKIEJAR, "/tmp/curl_cookies");
curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_COOKIEFILE, "/tmp/curl_cookies");

curl_setopt($ch,
CURLOPT_URL,"http://www.audienceextras.com/extrasapp/login/loginchk.cfm?requ
esttimeout=120");
curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_POST, 1);
curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_POSTFIELDS, "memid=<my member id>&pin=<my
password>");
curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_FOLLOWLOCATION, 1);
curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_RETURNTRANSFER, 1);
curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_USERAGENT, "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01;
Windows NT 5.0)");

curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_VERBOSE, 1);
curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_HEADER, 1);

$data = curl_exec($ch);
curl_close ($ch);

print "Data is<br>\
";
print $data

?>

and here's the header I'm getting back:
HTTP/1.1 100 Continue Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003
13:45:23 GMT HTTP/1.1 302 Object Moved Location:
login.cfm?error=1&CFID=423385&CFTOKEN=5619600-b5ba6922-7e3a-11d7-85fd-00508b
c99e4f Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Length: 198
HTTP/1.1 200 OK Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 13:45:24
GMT Connection: close Content-type: text/html Page-Completion-Status: Normal
Page-Completion-Status: Normal Set-Cookie: CFID=; expires=Sat, 05-Apr-2003
08:45:24 GMT; path=/; Set-Cookie: CFTOKEN=; expires=Sat, 05-Apr-2003
08:45:24 GMT; path=/;

Any suggestions ??

thanx
ophir




From keremtuzemen at hotmail.com  Mon May  5 10:36:03 2003
From: keremtuzemen at hotmail.com (Kerem Tuzemen)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:36:03 -0400
Subject: php and COM server...
Message-ID: <Law14-OE70ZLFjwscTE000060e1@hotmail.com>

Hi all, 

I'm trying to implement a very primitive COM server which has an object with only one method, returning an integer when called. As you can imagine, I'm kinda playing around before beginning a new project. I'm using Delphi to implement the COM server and in the lights of the limited php documentation on this issue, I've found that the only COM interface php can support is the IDispatch one, and implemented the server according to these findings. Anyways, I tried running it using ASP (keep your crosses inside, just testing the COM :) )  and it worked as it should. When I tried to run it using php, the COM object initiated without any problems, but when I call the method I get the following error:
---------------------------
php.exe - Application Error
---------------------------
The instruction at "0x00000001" referenced memory at "0x00000001". The memory could not be "read".


Click on OK to terminate the program
Click on CANCEL to debug the program
---------------------------
OK   Cancel   
---------------------------


Did anyone in this list try to implement something similar? Any pointers, docs, etc. greatly appreciated.
BTW, I'm currently running PHP Version 4.3.2-dev

Kerem
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From psaw at pswebcode.com  Mon May  5 17:04:00 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:04:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php and COM server...
In-Reply-To: <200305051448.h45EdCvF063131@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000201c31349$da9983a0$4cbdfea9@bronco>

Did you write the COM object yourself? 

Just playing the percentages, I'd say most likely there is a subtle
oversight in the COM object. The Microsoft product family tends to let
stuff slide. An outside product tends to play with all the documented
rules, in terms of number of parameters expected, data type of the
return value, and especially scope of variables. 

Always watch for and remember: null <> numeric zero <> zero-length
string.

Also, have you checked the threading model of the object. Doesn't VB
often use some kind of hybrid threading model called "apartment"? ASP
will deal with it, of course. It is possible that PHP doesn't support
that?

Sorry I couldn't go much deeper.

If you cut n paste the whole object code I could look at it.

PSaw

----Original Message-----
From: Kerem Tuzemen [mailto:keremtuzemen at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:39 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php and COM server...


Hi all, 

I'm trying to implement a very primitive COM server which has an object
with only one method, returning an integer when called. As you can
imagine, I'm kinda playing around before beginning a new project. I'm
using Delphi to implement the COM server and in the lights of the
limited php documentation on this issue, I've found that the only COM
interface php can support is the IDispatch one, and implemented the
server according to these findings. Anyways, I tried running it using
ASP (keep your crosses inside, just testing the COM :) )  and it worked
as it should. When I tried to run it using php, the COM object initiated
without any problems, but when I call the method I get the following
error:
---------------------------
php.exe - Application Error
---------------------------
The instruction at "0x00000001" referenced memory at "0x00000001". The
memory could not be "read".


Click on OK to terminate the program
Click on CANCEL to debug the program
---------------------------
OK   Cancel   
---------------------------


Did anyone in this list try to implement something similar? Any
pointers, docs, etc. greatly appreciated. BTW, I'm currently running PHP
Version 4.3.2-dev

Kerem



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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Mon May  5 17:45:44 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 17:45:44 -0400
Subject: Looking for a PHP equivalent to Perl Text::Template
Message-ID: <p0521021fbadc88285e13@[192.168.0.2]>

Hello,

I'm looking to a PHP equivalent to the Perl module Text::Template.

I was perusing the Smarty documentation, but, maybe I missed 
something, but it doesn't look that I can use  it the in same way.

What I want to do is to assign the result of parsing the template to 
a variable. This is very convenient for example when you need to send 
email.

---------------------------------------------
Perl example:
---------------------------------------------

Dear {$title} {$lastname},
It has come to our attention that you are delinquent in your
         {$monthname[$last_paid_month]} payment.  Please remit
         ${sprintf("%.2f", $amount)} immediately, or your patellae may
         be needlessly endangered.
Love,
Mark "Vizopteryx" Dominus

---------------------------------------------
Perl code:
---------------------------------------------

use Text::Template;
my $template = Text::Template->new(SOURCE => 'formletter.tmpl');
my @monthname = qw(January February March April May June
                            July August September October November December);
         my %vars = (title => 'Mr.',
                     firstname => 'Bill',
                     lastname => 'Gates',
                     last_paid_month => 1,   # February
                     amount => 392.12,
                     monthname => \\@monthname,
                    );
my $result = $template->fill_in(HASH => \\%vars);
<http://perl.plover.com/Template/Manual.html#example>
---------------------------------------------

Now, I know that I could write my own parser based on regex, but if 
something exists like this in PHP, I rather use it.

I know that I can use an include like this (or built on this and use 
a "here document"):

<?php

$var = 'PHP';

return $var;

?>
<http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.include.php>

But its just not convenient for non programmers because they will 
need to escape the quotes that hold the string.

So, is there like a beast like the Perl Text::Template in the PHP world?

TIA
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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Mon May  5 18:00:55 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:00:55 -0400
Subject: Why Smarty?
Message-ID: <p05210220badc8c2e4f73@[192.168.0.2]>

Beside caching, why use Smarty? I'm a little bit puzzled by this.
<http://smarty.php.net/whyuse.php>

I'm already using a MVC model to do all my PHP development.

It look to me that Smarty is recreating its own mini language ? la EmbedPerl.
<http://perl.apache.org/embperl/pod/intro/Intro.-page-4-.htm>

Is there an advantage in that? Am I missing something here?

Please, don't see this as flames bait. I just want to hear about the 
pro and con.

TIA

Cheers
-Emmanuel
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From shiflett at php.net  Mon May  5 18:07:53 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:07:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
In-Reply-To: <200305052201.h45M15vn074209@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030505220753.22057.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Emmanuel. M. Decarie" <emm at scriptdigital.com> wrote:
> why use Smarty?
...
> I'm already using a MVC model to do all my PHP development.

Smarty's main feature, as I understand it, is to help developers separate
presentation from logic.

I think what you will find is that Smarty is less beneficial to developers who
are already very organized in terms of the software architecture they use
(whether you subscribe to the MVC school of thought or not).

Of course, the same argument can be said for OOP. You can nearly achieve the
same level of organization with an intelligent software design. However, OOP is
very popular due to the way it encourages or aids in such organization, and for
similar reasons, Smarty is also very popular due to the way it can aid in
separating presentation from logic.

My guess is that you will find fewer benefits (since you use an MVC model
already) than someone whose software design can be summarized as "every page is
a single PHP script".

Hope that helps.

Chris 


From bpang at bpang.com  Mon May  5 18:13:25 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:13:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
Message-ID: <E19CoD7-0005lw-00@rslrs1-server.com>

help me out.. I'm drawing a blank on "MVC"

I probably know what it is and do it,,, just can't figure out the acronym...

thanks

> --- "Emmanuel. M. Decarie" <emm at scriptdigital.com> wrote:
> > why use Smarty?
> ..
> > I'm already using a MVC model to do all my PHP development.
> 
> Smarty's main feature, as I understand it, is to help developers separate
> presentation from logic.
> 
> I think what you will find is that Smarty is less beneficial to
developers who
> are already very organized in terms of the software architecture they use
> (whether you subscribe to the MVC school of thought or not).
> 
> Of course, the same argument can be said for OOP. You can nearly
achieve the
> same level of organization with an intelligent software design.
However, OOP is
> very popular due to the way it encourages or aids in such
organization, and for
> similar reasons, Smarty is also very popular due to the way it can aid in
> separating presentation from logic.
> 
> My guess is that you will find fewer benefits (since you use an MVC model
> already) than someone whose software design can be summarized as
"every page is
> a single PHP script".
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Chris 
> 
> 
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Mon May  5 18:13:41 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:13:41 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453CF4@pcsnet>

Emmanuel,

	Smarty is pure MVC...

	The business logic model is completely in the programmers hands (me)
and  can be passed off design to people who like to make pretty pictures...
with the caveat that they get the Smarty template logic to make repetative
stuff like tables easy without diving into the complexity of a full blown
language. 

	Smarty is the go-between Controller with a built in debugger.

	I can support thousands more pages now that I don't have to think
about layout or coach designers through script code.

	If you maintain a small site and enjoy layout detail yourself then
this tool is still cool but probably unnecessary... 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emmanuel. M. Decarie [mailto:emm at scriptdigital.com]
> Sent: Monday, 05 May, 2003 3:01 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
> 
> 
> Beside caching, why use Smarty? I'm a little bit puzzled by this.
> <http://smarty.php.net/whyuse.php>
> 
> I'm already using a MVC model to do all my PHP development.
> 
> It look to me that Smarty is recreating its own mini language 
> ? la EmbedPerl.
> <http://perl.apache.org/embperl/pod/intro/Intro.-page-4-.htm>
> 
> Is there an advantage in that? Am I missing something here?
> 
> Please, don't see this as flames bait. I just want to hear about the 
> pro and con.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Cheers
> -Emmanuel
> -- 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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> Radio UserLand/Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript  
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From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Mon May  5 18:19:46 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:19:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
Message-ID: <269620-22003515221946495@M2W060.mail2web.com>

I might be having a brain freeze but I believe it stands for "Multilevel
Versioning Control", as in the process of versioning templates.  Am I
either right or has the caffeine wore off already?

Phil

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Malcolm, Gary gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com
Date: Mon,  5 May 2003 18:14:09 -0400
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?


Emmanuel,

	Smarty is pure MVC...

	The business logic model is completely in the programmers hands (me)
and  can be passed off design to people who like to make pretty pictures...
with the caveat that they get the Smarty template logic to make repetative
stuff like tables easy without diving into the complexity of a full blown
language. 

	Smarty is the go-between Controller with a built in debugger.

	I can support thousands more pages now that I don't have to think
about layout or coach designers through script code.

	If you maintain a small site and enjoy layout detail yourself then
this tool is still cool but probably unnecessary... 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emmanuel. M. Decarie [mailto:emm at scriptdigital.com]
> Sent: Monday, 05 May, 2003 3:01 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
> 
> 
> Beside caching, why use Smarty? I'm a little bit puzzled by this.
> <http://smarty.php.net/whyuse.php>
> 
> I'm already using a MVC model to do all my PHP development.
> 
> It look to me that Smarty is recreating its own mini language 
> ? la EmbedPerl.
> <http://perl.apache.org/embperl/pod/intro/Intro.-page-4-.htm>
> 
> Is there an advantage in that? Am I missing something here?
> 
> Please, don't see this as flames bait. I just want to hear about the 
> pro and con.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Cheers
> -Emmanuel
> -- 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Emmanuel D?carie / Programmation pour le Web - Programming for the Web
> Radio UserLand/Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript  
> <http://scriptdigital.com/>
> Blog: <http://blog.scriptdigital.com> - AIM: scriptdigital
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Mon May  5 18:23:09 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:23:09 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453CF5@pcsnet>

model-view-controller

seperate logic from display 
then have a controller decide how to handle requests...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
> Sent: Monday, 05 May, 2003 3:20 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
> 
> 
> I might be having a brain freeze but I believe it stands for 
> "Multilevel
> Versioning Control", as in the process of versioning templates.  Am I
> either right or has the caffeine wore off already?
> 
> Phil
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Malcolm, Gary gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com
> Date: Mon,  5 May 2003 18:14:09 -0400
> To: talk at nyphp.org
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
> 
> 
> Emmanuel,
> 
> 	Smarty is pure MVC...
> 
> 	The business logic model is completely in the 
> programmers hands (me)
> and  can be passed off design to people who like to make 
> pretty pictures...
> with the caveat that they get the Smarty template logic to 
> make repetative
> stuff like tables easy without diving into the complexity of 
> a full blown
> language. 
> 
> 	Smarty is the go-between Controller with a built in debugger.
> 
> 	I can support thousands more pages now that I don't 
> have to think
> about layout or coach designers through script code.
> 
> 	If you maintain a small site and enjoy layout detail 
> yourself then
> this tool is still cool but probably unnecessary... 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Emmanuel. M. Decarie [mailto:emm at scriptdigital.com]
> > Sent: Monday, 05 May, 2003 3:01 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
> > 
> > 
> > Beside caching, why use Smarty? I'm a little bit puzzled by this.
> > <http://smarty.php.net/whyuse.php>
> > 
> > I'm already using a MVC model to do all my PHP development.
> > 
> > It look to me that Smarty is recreating its own mini language 
> > ? la EmbedPerl.
> > <http://perl.apache.org/embperl/pod/intro/Intro.-page-4-.htm>
> > 
> > Is there an advantage in that? Am I missing something here?
> > 
> > Please, don't see this as flames bait. I just want to hear 
> about the 
> > pro and con.
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > Cheers
> > -Emmanuel
> > -- 
> > 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> > Emmanuel D?carie / Programmation pour le Web - Programming 
> for the Web
> > Radio UserLand/Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript  
> > <http://scriptdigital.com/>
> > Blog: <http://blog.scriptdigital.com> - AIM: scriptdigital
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ian at plusfour.org  Mon May  5 18:24:39 2003
From: ian at plusfour.org (Ian Forsyth)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:24:39 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
In-Reply-To: <200305052221.h45MKHvB077507@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5C49EB12-7F48-11D7-96C1-003065778656@plusfour.org>

http://ootips.org/mvc-pattern.html

On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 03:20 PM, soazine at pop.erols.com wrote:

> I might be having a brain freeze but I believe it stands for 
> "Multilevel
> Versioning Control", as in the process of versioning templates.  Am I
> either right or has the caffeine wore off already?
>
> Phil
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Malcolm, Gary gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com
> Date: Mon,  5 May 2003 18:14:09 -0400
> To: talk at nyphp.org
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
>
>
> Emmanuel,
>
> 	Smarty is pure MVC...
>
> 	The business logic model is completely in the programmers hands (me)
> and  can be passed off design to people who like to make pretty 
> pictures...
> with the caveat that they get the Smarty template logic to make 
> repetative
> stuff like tables easy without diving into the complexity of a full 
> blown
> language.
>
> 	Smarty is the go-between Controller with a built in debugger.
>
> 	I can support thousands more pages now that I don't have to think
> about layout or coach designers through script code.
>
> 	If you maintain a small site and enjoy layout detail yourself then
> this tool is still cool but probably unnecessary...
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Emmanuel. M. Decarie [mailto:emm at scriptdigital.com]
>> Sent: Monday, 05 May, 2003 3:01 PM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
>>
>>
>> Beside caching, why use Smarty? I'm a little bit puzzled by this.
>> <http://smarty.php.net/whyuse.php>
>>
>> I'm already using a MVC model to do all my PHP development.
>>
>> It look to me that Smarty is recreating its own mini language
>> ? la EmbedPerl.
>> <http://perl.apache.org/embperl/pod/intro/Intro.-page-4-.htm>
>>
>> Is there an advantage in that? Am I missing something here?
>>
>> Please, don't see this as flames bait. I just want to hear about the
>> pro and con.
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Cheers
>> -Emmanuel
>> -- 
>> ______________________________________________________________________
>> Emmanuel D?carie / Programmation pour le Web - Programming for the Web
>> Radio UserLand/Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript
>> <http://scriptdigital.com/>
>> Blog: <http://blog.scriptdigital.com> - AIM: scriptdigital
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Mon May  5 18:24:11 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:24:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
In-Reply-To: <200305052208.h45M7uvj075089@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305052208.h45M7uvj075089@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p05210221badc91f2a944@[192.168.0.2]>

Hello Chris,

>I think what you will find is that Smarty is less beneficial to developers who
>are already very organized in terms of the software architecture they use
>(whether you subscribe to the MVC school of thought or not).
>
>Of course, the same argument can be said for OOP. You can nearly achieve the
>same level of organization with an intelligent software design. 
>However, OOP is
>very popular due to the way it encourages or aids in such 
>organization, and for
>similar reasons, Smarty is also very popular due to the way it can aid in
>separating presentation from logic.

Interesting, are you opposing MVC to OOP?  Am I reading too much in 
your statement?

For my part I use OOP in MVC.

Usually, my model is in OOP (class files) and the controler is done 
with procedural functions (a file with the switch control structure 
that control the views) and the view is a file with small snippet of 
PHP code.

Cheers
-Emmanuel

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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Mon May  5 18:31:25 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:31:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
In-Reply-To: <200305052215.h45ME9vj076238@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305052215.h45ME9vj076238@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p05210222badc959683e8@[192.168.0.2]>

>Emmanuel,
>
>	Smarty is pure MVC...
>
>	The business logic model is completely in the programmers hands (me)
>and  can be passed off design to people who like to make pretty pictures...
>with the caveat that they get the Smarty template logic to make repetative
>stuff like tables easy without diving into the complexity of a full blown
>language.
>
>	Smarty is the go-between Controller with a built in debugger.
>
>	I can support thousands more pages now that I don't have to think
>about layout or coach designers through script code.
>
>	If you maintain a small site and enjoy layout detail yourself then
>this tool is still cool but probably unnecessary...

But as I said, I implement the MVC model without Smarty for clients 
that will tell  their designers to modify the design of the view. In 
this case, beside using {} instead of <?php ?>, I really don't see 
the advantage.

I don't have Dreamweaver, but I know that <?php ?> is flagged as a 
tag, and I'm not sure if this is the case with {}.

Cheers
-Emmanuel
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From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Mon May  5 18:32:22 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 18:32:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
Message-ID: <114390-22003515223222685@M2W028.mail2web.com>

Sorry, WAY over my head! :(

Phil

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Malcolm, Gary gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com
Date: Mon,  5 May 2003 18:23:38 -0400
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?


model-view-controller

seperate logic from display 
then have a controller decide how to handle requests...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
> Sent: Monday, 05 May, 2003 3:20 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
> 
> 
> I might be having a brain freeze but I believe it stands for 
> "Multilevel
> Versioning Control", as in the process of versioning templates.  Am I
> either right or has the caffeine wore off already?
> 
> Phil
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Malcolm, Gary gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com
> Date: Mon,  5 May 2003 18:14:09 -0400
> To: talk at nyphp.org
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
> 
> 
> Emmanuel,
> 
> 	Smarty is pure MVC...
> 
> 	The business logic model is completely in the 
> programmers hands (me)
> and  can be passed off design to people who like to make 
> pretty pictures...
> with the caveat that they get the Smarty template logic to 
> make repetative
> stuff like tables easy without diving into the complexity of 
> a full blown
> language. 
> 
> 	Smarty is the go-between Controller with a built in debugger.
> 
> 	I can support thousands more pages now that I don't 
> have to think
> about layout or coach designers through script code.
> 
> 	If you maintain a small site and enjoy layout detail 
> yourself then
> this tool is still cool but probably unnecessary... 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Emmanuel. M. Decarie [mailto:emm at scriptdigital.com]
> > Sent: Monday, 05 May, 2003 3:01 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
> > 
> > 
> > Beside caching, why use Smarty? I'm a little bit puzzled by this.
> > <http://smarty.php.net/whyuse.php>
> > 
> > I'm already using a MVC model to do all my PHP development.
> > 
> > It look to me that Smarty is recreating its own mini language 
> > ? la EmbedPerl.
> > <http://perl.apache.org/embperl/pod/intro/Intro.-page-4-.htm>
> > 
> > Is there an advantage in that? Am I missing something here?
> > 
> > Please, don't see this as flames bait. I just want to hear 
> about the 
> > pro and con.
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > Cheers
> > -Emmanuel
> > -- 
> > 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> > Emmanuel D?carie / Programmation pour le Web - Programming 
> for the Web
> > Radio UserLand/Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript  
> > <http://scriptdigital.com/>
> > Blog: <http://blog.scriptdigital.com> - AIM: scriptdigital
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From chris at psydeshow.org  Mon May  5 18:40:38 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:40:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Looking for a PHP equivalent to Perl Text::Template
In-Reply-To: <200305052146.h45LjrvL072716@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305052146.h45LjrvL072716@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EB6E866.3000605@psydeshow.org>

Emmanuel. M. Decarie wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I'm looking to a PHP equivalent to the Perl module Text::Template.
>
>I was perusing the Smarty documentation, but, maybe I missed 
>something, but it doesn't look that I can use  it the in same way.
>
>What I want to do is to assign the result of parsing the template to 
>a variable. This is very convenient for example when you need to send 
>email.
>
>---------------------------------------------
>Perl example:
>---------------------------------------------
>
>Dear {$title} {$lastname},
>It has come to our attention that you are delinquent in your
>         {$monthname[$last_paid_month]} payment.  Please remit
>         ${sprintf("%.2f", $amount)} immediately, or your patellae may
>         be needlessly endangered.
>Love,
>Mark "Vizopteryx" Dominus
>
>  
>
You could do essentially this by bringing the template into your 
controlling script and eval()'ing it -- something like:

$template= file_get_contents("/path/to/template.html");
$command= "\\$output= \\"$template\\";";
eval($command);
print $output;


You couldn't pull off the sprintf() call in the middle of that, but 
everything else will work. You don't even need the curly brackets.

    chris.



From emm at scriptdigital.com  Mon May  5 19:34:26 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 19:34:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Looking for a PHP equivalent to Perl Text::Template
In-Reply-To: <200305052240.h45MeBvl082245@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305052240.h45MeBvl082245@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p05210224badca5332cb8@[192.168.0.2]>

Thanks Chris, I will test your solution and try to build a wrapper around it.

Cheers
-Emmanuel

>You could do essentially this by bringing the template into your
>controlling script and eval()'ing it -- something like:
>
>$template= file_get_contents("/path/to/template.html");
>$command= "\\$output= \\"$template\\";";
>eval($command);
>print $output;
>
>
>You couldn't pull off the sprintf() call in the middle of that, but
>everything else will work. You don't even need the curly brackets.
>
>     chris.

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From shiflett at php.net  Mon May  5 22:32:18 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 19:32:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
In-Reply-To: <200305052226.h45MPbvn079735@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030506023218.83258.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Emmanuel. M. Decarie" <emm at scriptdigital.com> wrote: 
> Interesting, are you opposing MVC to OOP?  Am I reading too much in 
> your statement?

I only meant to draw a comparison between OOP and Smarty as things that can
help people organize their code more clearly, but things that aren't
necessarily required to do so. I'm not sure if that made any more sense. :-)

My only point was to say that someone using an MVC architecture is going to
benefit less from Smarty than those with no real software design.

Chris


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Tue May  6 10:17:59 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 10:17:59 -0400
Subject: Chat Software
Message-ID: <002701c313da$4c8bbb50$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Can anyone suggest some "chat" software I can use on a site? (Site is
LAMP - Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP).


Jeff



From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Tue May  6 10:23:54 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 10:23:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Chat Software
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D15@USA1370MS1>

In order for Chat to work, the site has to be pretty high in traffic.  Chat
requires much higher critical mass.  I do not have chat on my personal
site...not enough traffic.  But if you are looking, this is a good place to
start: http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/Chat_Scripts/

Most author's site has demo that you can look at.

Pinyo

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:18 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Chat Software


Can anyone suggest some "chat" software I can use on a site? (Site is
LAMP - Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP).


Jeff



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From keremtuzemen at hotmail.com  Tue May  6 10:39:18 2003
From: keremtuzemen at hotmail.com (Kerem Tuzemen)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 10:39:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] php and COM server...
References: <200305052100.h45L0MrF071265@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Law14-OE69qRWt6aIFE00007478@hotmail.com>

Thanks for suggestions PSaw, you were right, I've tried to implement the COM
Server using VB and everything works fine now. I'm really wondering what
kind of incompatibility was causing the problem though, Hope the COM
interface in PHP will get mature soon since they're talking about supporting
.NET which are -most of the time- wrapped with COM servers.

Kerem

----- Original Message -----
From: "pswebcode, nyc" <psaw at pswebcode.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] php and COM server...


> Did you write the COM object yourself?
>
> Just playing the percentages, I'd say most likely there is a subtle
> oversight in the COM object. The Microsoft product family tends to let
> stuff slide. An outside product tends to play with all the documented
> rules, in terms of number of parameters expected, data type of the
> return value, and especially scope of variables.
>
> Always watch for and remember: null <> numeric zero <> zero-length
> string.
>
> Also, have you checked the threading model of the object. Doesn't VB
> often use some kind of hybrid threading model called "apartment"? ASP
> will deal with it, of course. It is possible that PHP doesn't support
> that?
>
> Sorry I couldn't go much deeper.
>
> If you cut n paste the whole object code I could look at it.
>
> PSaw
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: Kerem Tuzemen [mailto:keremtuzemen at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:39 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] php and COM server...
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm trying to implement a very primitive COM server which has an object
> with only one method, returning an integer when called. As you can
> imagine, I'm kinda playing around before beginning a new project. I'm
> using Delphi to implement the COM server and in the lights of the
> limited php documentation on this issue, I've found that the only COM
> interface php can support is the IDispatch one, and implemented the
> server according to these findings. Anyways, I tried running it using
> ASP (keep your crosses inside, just testing the COM :) )  and it worked
> as it should. When I tried to run it using php, the COM object initiated
> without any problems, but when I call the method I get the following
> error:
> ---------------------------
> php.exe - Application Error
> ---------------------------
> The instruction at "0x00000001" referenced memory at "0x00000001". The
> memory could not be "read".
>
>
> Click on OK to terminate the program
> Click on CANCEL to debug the program
> ---------------------------
> OK   Cancel
> ---------------------------
>
>
> Did anyone in this list try to implement something similar? Any
> pointers, docs, etc. greatly appreciated. BTW, I'm currently running PHP
> Version 4.3.2-dev
>
> Kerem
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Tue May  6 11:07:17 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 11:07:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Chat Software
In-Reply-To: <200305061431.h46EUMuf004102@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <003701c313e1$2fa44550$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Thanks!

-----Original Message-----
From: Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo [mailto:Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:30 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Chat Software


In order for Chat to work, the site has to be pretty high in traffic.
Chat requires much higher critical mass.  I do not have chat on my
personal site...not enough traffic.  But if you are looking, this is a
good place to
start: http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/Chat_Scripts/

Most author's site has demo that you can look at.

Pinyo

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:18 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Chat Software


Can anyone suggest some "chat" software I can use on a site? (Site is
LAMP - Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP).


Jeff







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From webapprentice at onemain.com  Tue May  6 08:09:22 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Stephen Tang)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:09:22 -0400 (GMT)
Subject: NYPHP List: Digest Available?
Message-ID: <4335587.1052233763153.JavaMail.nobody@waldorf.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Hi,
Is there a digest version of this list available?

--Stephen


From emm at scriptdigital.com  Tue May  6 11:57:36 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 11:57:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
In-Reply-To: <200305060233.h462WKvl089237@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305060233.h462WKvl089237@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p05210228badd8b3b16e3@[192.168.0.2]>

? (At) 22:32 -0400 05/05/03, Chris Shiflett ?crivait (wrote) :
>My only point was to say that someone using an MVC architecture is going to
>benefit less from Smarty than those with no real software design.

What a coincidence!

? (At) 11:13 -0500 06/05/03, php|architect ?crivait (wrote) :
>AN INTRODUCTION TO THE MODEL-VIEW-CONTROLLER PATTERN IN PHP
>===========================================================
>
>Jason Sweat writes an in-depth introduction to the Model-View-
>Controller paradigm, a software design pattern that makes it
>easy to abstract the presentation layer from the business logic.
http://www.phparch.com

The site seems down now (well, from my part of the world).

Cheers
-Emmanuel
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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Tue May  6 12:00:19 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 12:00:19 -0400
Subject: Accented chars
Message-ID: <p05210229badd8bff44f9@[192.168.0.2]>

Hello,

Just a short note to say that accented characters are not handled 
correctly by this list.

I'm writing this from OS X  in Eudora.

Cheers
-Emmanuel
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From nyphp at websapp.com  Tue May  6 12:01:43 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:01:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
In-Reply-To: <200305061601.h46FxE01008710@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPOEFMEHAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

> http://www.phparch.com
>
> The site seems down now (well, from my part of the world).

Yes, I think that they DoS'ed themselves when announcing the latest edition.

--Daniel




From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May  6 12:04:11 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:04:11 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453CFA@pcsnet>

the meta-point of tools like smarty is to remove busy work from our work
queues... any time we can use a good third party tool that promotes decent
architecture and separation of duties its just one more thing we don't to
worry about.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emmanuel. M. Decarie [mailto:emm at scriptdigital.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 8:59 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
> 
> 
> ? (At) 22:32 -0400 05/05/03, Chris Shiflett ?crivait (wrote) :
> >My only point was to say that someone using an MVC 
> architecture is going to
> >benefit less from Smarty than those with no real software design.
> 
> What a coincidence!
> 
> ? (At) 11:13 -0500 06/05/03, php|architect ?crivait (wrote) :
> >AN INTRODUCTION TO THE MODEL-VIEW-CONTROLLER PATTERN IN PHP
> >===========================================================
> >
> >Jason Sweat writes an in-depth introduction to the Model-View-
> >Controller paradigm, a software design pattern that makes it
> >easy to abstract the presentation layer from the business logic.
> http://www.phparch.com
> 
> The site seems down now (well, from my part of the world).
> 
> Cheers
> -Emmanuel
> -- 
> ______________________________________________________________________
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> Radio UserLand/Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript  
> <http://scriptdigital.com/>
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From cahoyos at us.ibm.com  Tue May  6 12:07:08 2003
From: cahoyos at us.ibm.com (Carlos A Hoyos)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:07:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Looking for a PHP equivalent to Perl Text::Template
In-Reply-To: <200305052241.h45MeBxT082245@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OFEE9E6A8B.A6AFB379-ON85256D1E.00584DE2-85256D1E.0059049C@us.ibm.com>








You can use the output buffer functions. Easier than eval, and you can use
all of the php functions to build the output.
Look at ob_start() and ob_get_contents()....

this are one of the overlooked treassures in php ; )

Carlos


                                                                                                                                      
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Emmanuel. M. Decarie wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I'm looking to a PHP equivalent to the Perl module Text::Template.
>
>I was perusing the Smarty documentation, but, maybe I missed
>something, but it doesn't look that I can use  it the in same way.
>
>What I want to do is to assign the result of parsing the template to
>a variable. This is very convenient for example when you need to send
>email.
>
>---------------------------------------------
>Perl example:
>---------------------------------------------
>
>Dear {$title} {$lastname},
>It has come to our attention that you are delinquent in your
>         {$monthname[$last_paid_month]} payment.  Please remit
>         ${sprintf("%.2f", $amount)} immediately, or your patellae may
>         be needlessly endangered.
>Love,
>Mark "Vizopteryx" Dominus
>
>
>
You could do essentially this by bringing the template into your
controlling script and eval()'ing it -- something like:

$template= file_get_contents("/path/to/template.html");
$command= "\\$output= \\"$template\\";";
eval($command);
print $output;


You couldn't pull off the sprintf() call in the middle of that, but
everything else will work. You don't even need the curly brackets.

    chris.



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From chris at psydeshow.org  Tue May  6 12:14:44 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 12:14:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Looking for a PHP equivalent to Perl Text::Template
In-Reply-To: <200305061608.h46G7DvH011978@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305061608.h46G7DvH011978@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EB7DF74.9060509@psydeshow.org>

Wouldn't you still need to eval() the template in order to substitute 
runtime values for the placeholders?
Output buffering would clean up the code I suggested, but I'm not sure 
how it would solve the problem of separating logic and design...


Carlos A Hoyos wrote:

>You can use the output buffer functions. Easier than eval, and you can use
>all of the php functions to build the output.
>Look at ob_start() and ob_get_contents()....
>
>this are one of the overlooked treassures in php ; )
>
>Carlos
>
>
>                                                                                                                                             
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I'm looking to a PHP equivalent to the Perl module Text::Template.
>>
>>I was perusing the Smarty documentation, but, maybe I missed
>>something, but it doesn't look that I can use  it the in same way.
>>
>>What I want to do is to assign the result of parsing the template to
>>a variable. This is very convenient for example when you need to send
>>email.
>>
>>---------------------------------------------
>>Perl example:
>>---------------------------------------------
>>
>>Dear {$title} {$lastname},
>>It has come to our attention that you are delinquent in your
>>        {$monthname[$last_paid_month]} payment.  Please remit
>>        ${sprintf("%.2f", $amount)} immediately, or your patellae may
>>        be needlessly endangered.
>>Love,
>>Mark "Vizopteryx" Dominus
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>You could do essentially this by bringing the template into your
>controlling script and eval()'ing it -- something like:
>
>$template= file_get_contents("/path/to/template.html");
>$command= "\\$output= \\"$template\\";";
>eval($command);
>print $output;
>
>
>You couldn't pull off the sprintf() call in the middle of that, but
>everything else will work. You don't even need the curly brackets.
>
>    chris.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>  
>


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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May  6 12:17:52 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:17:52 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Looking for a PHP equivalent to Perl Text::Templ
	ate
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453CFB@pcsnet>

does this strike anyone as a little dangerous? hiding executable code that
operates at the same level of permissions amongst text files could get
confusing in large batches... especially if the replacement gets complex.

maybe build a simple template function  lib based on str_replace... that way
all your logic can stay in one file and allow someone else to upkeep the
documents.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carlos A Hoyos [mailto:cahoyos at us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 9:07 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Looking for a PHP equivalent to Perl
> Text::Template
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You can use the output buffer functions. Easier than eval, 
> and you can use
> all of the php functions to build the output.
> Look at ob_start() and ob_get_contents()....
> 
> this are one of the overlooked treassures in php ; )
> 
> Carlos
> 
> 
>                                                               
>                                                               
>           
>                       Chris Snyder                            
>                                                               
>           
>                       <chris at psydeshow.        To:       
> NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>                                   
>                
>                       org>                     cc:            
>                                                               
>           
>                                                Subject:  Re: 
> [nycphp-talk] Looking for a PHP equivalent to Perl 
> Text::Template         
>                       05/05/2003 06:40                        
>                                                               
>           
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> 
> 
> 
> Emmanuel. M. Decarie wrote:
> 
> >Hello,
> >
> >I'm looking to a PHP equivalent to the Perl module Text::Template.
> >
> >I was perusing the Smarty documentation, but, maybe I missed
> >something, but it doesn't look that I can use  it the in same way.
> >
> >What I want to do is to assign the result of parsing the template to
> >a variable. This is very convenient for example when you need to send
> >email.
> >
> >---------------------------------------------
> >Perl example:
> >---------------------------------------------
> >
> >Dear {$title} {$lastname},
> >It has come to our attention that you are delinquent in your
> >         {$monthname[$last_paid_month]} payment.  Please remit
> >         ${sprintf("%.2f", $amount)} immediately, or your 
> patellae may
> >         be needlessly endangered.
> >Love,
> >Mark "Vizopteryx" Dominus
> >
> >
> >
> You could do essentially this by bringing the template into your
> controlling script and eval()'ing it -- something like:
> 
> $template= file_get_contents("/path/to/template.html");
> $command= "\\$output= \\"$template\\";";
> eval($command);
> print $output;
> 
> 
> You couldn't pull off the sprintf() call in the middle of that, but
> everything else will work. You don't even need the curly brackets.
> 
>     chris.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From sailer at bnl.gov  Tue May  6 12:28:24 2003
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Sailer, Timothy)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:28:24 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?
Message-ID: <1655641A03CED411BDCB0002B30945245D4D5F@exchange02.bnl.gov>

Hmm. DNS is not responding.

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Kushner [mailto:nyphp at websapp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 12:03 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Why Smarty?


> http://www.phparch.com
>
> The site seems down now (well, from my part of the world).

Yes, I think that they DoS'ed themselves when announcing the latest edition.

--Daniel




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From chris at psydeshow.org  Tue May  6 12:40:33 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 12:40:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Looking for a PHP equivalent to Perl Text::Templ
 ate
In-Reply-To: <200305061619.h46GINvH013620@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305061619.h46GINvH013620@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EB7E581.7090901@psydeshow.org>

Malcolm, Gary wrote:

>does this strike anyone as a little dangerous? hiding executable code that
>operates at the same level of permissions amongst text files could get
>confusing in large batches... especially if the replacement gets complex.
>  
>
TRUE-- you should add slashes to $template before eval()ing it in order 
to escape any quotes that would allow executable statements.

>>$template= file_get_contents("/path/to/template.html");
>>
 >> $template= addslashes($template);  // important!

>>$command= "\\$output= \\"$template\\";";
>>eval($command);
>>print $output;
>>
Given that correction I don't think this is so risky. A malicious 
template author could still reveal the contents of any global variable, 
so I wouldn't let just anyone define the contents of $template.

 If you have a fixed set of values to be replaced then it might indeed 
be easier/safer to build something using the array feature of str_replace.

    chris.



From cahoyos at us.ibm.com  Tue May  6 12:42:10 2003
From: cahoyos at us.ibm.com (Carlos A Hoyos)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 12:42:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Looking for a PHP equivalent to Perl Text::Template
In-Reply-To: <200305061615.h46GEkxP012824@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OFA1A083C3.37AE3E1D-ON85256D1E.005B7404-85256D1E.005C39BE@us.ibm.com>







Lets see.
Suppose you have a page like this:

<?php
 ... set variables


?>

Dear <? echo $title.' '.$lastname ?>
It has come to our attention that you are delinquent in your
        <? echo $monthname[$last_paid_month]?> payment.  Please remit
        <? sprintf("%.2f", $amount) ?> immediately, or your patellae may
        be needlessly endangered.
Love,
Mark "Vizopteryx" Dominus

-------------

Add a ob_start(); at the start of the page, and this at the end
<?
$buffer = ob_get_contents();
ob_end_clean();
?>

now, nothing gets output to the screen and buffer has your content.
This of course is a simple example, should be enough for an idea.

Carlos

Intranet: http://w3.ibm.com/sales/ibmcom
.: PTT tool under the projects menu :.


                                                                                                                                      
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Wouldn't you still need to eval() the template in order to substitute
runtime values for the placeholders?
Output buffering would clean up the code I suggested, but I'm not sure
how it would solve the problem of separating logic and design...


Carlos A Hoyos wrote:

>You can use the output buffer functions. Easier than eval, and you can use
>all of the php functions to build the output.
>Look at ob_start() and ob_get_contents()....
>
>this are one of the overlooked treassures in php ; )
>
>Carlos
>
>
>

>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I'm looking to a PHP equivalent to the Perl module Text::Template.
>>
>>I was perusing the Smarty documentation, but, maybe I missed
>>something, but it doesn't look that I can use  it the in same way.
>>
>>What I want to do is to assign the result of parsing the template to
>>a variable. This is very convenient for example when you need to send
>>email.
>>
>>---------------------------------------------
>>Perl example:
>>---------------------------------------------
>>
>>Dear {$title} {$lastname},
>>It has come to our attention that you are delinquent in your
>>        {$monthname[$last_paid_month]} payment.  Please remit
>>        ${sprintf("%.2f", $amount)} immediately, or your patellae may
>>        be needlessly endangered.
>>Love,
>>Mark "Vizopteryx" Dominus
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>You could do essentially this by bringing the template into your
>controlling script and eval()'ing it -- something like:
>
>$template= file_get_contents("/path/to/template.html");
>$command= "\\$output= \\"$template\\";";
>eval($command);
>print $output;
>
>
>You couldn't pull off the sprintf() call in the middle of that, but
>everything else will work. You don't even need the curly brackets.
>
>    chris.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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From LarryC at indexstock.com  Tue May  6 16:41:25 2003
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:41:25 -0400 
Subject: XML files
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C91AEC08E@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

I have nearly a million XML files generated from the database for products
in my OSSuite application.  What is the best way to handle so many tiny
files?  Windows crawl to its knees when I try to open up the directory where
the files locate at.  Is there a way to optimize disk I/O?
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue May  6 16:45:45 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:45:45 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
References: <200305062042.h46KfSsN020941@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001901c31410$77d3d730$6400a8c0@INTEL17>

What are you looking to do with the files? (ie, display, query, export, etc)
... when in doubt, go SAX :-)

- Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Chuon" <LarryC at indexstock.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:41 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files


> I have nearly a million XML files generated from the database for products
> in my OSSuite application.  What is the best way to handle so many tiny
> files?  Windows crawl to its knees when I try to open up the directory
where
> the files locate at.  Is there a way to optimize disk I/O?
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May  6 16:46:55 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:46:55 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453CFC@pcsnet>

first of all: wow.

second, is it necessary to have the info outside of the database as files? 
can you create an XML document on the fly by request? 

I do this out of a 10 year old proprietary db with 2000+ requests an hour
and it seems to work fine. IF you can, let the db handle your storage 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Chuon [mailto:LarryC at indexstock.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 1:41 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> 
> 
> I have nearly a million XML files generated from the database 
> for products
> in my OSSuite application.  What is the best way to handle so 
> many tiny
> files?  Windows crawl to its knees when I try to open up the 
> directory where
> the files locate at.  Is there a way to optimize disk I/O?
> 
> 
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From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Tue May  6 16:47:22 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 16:47:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
In-Reply-To: <200305062042.h46KfSvn020941@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305062042.h46KfSvn020941@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <26936-62900@sneakemail.com>

Hi Larry,

What are you trying to do with the files?

+gadhra+(/s)



Larry Chuon LarryC-at-indexstock.com |NY PHP| wrote:

>I have nearly a million XML files generated from the database for products
>in my OSSuite application.  What is the best way to handle so many tiny
>files?  Windows crawl to its knees when I try to open up the directory where
>the files locate at.  Is there a way to optimize disk I/O?
>
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
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>  
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From LarryC at indexstock.com  Tue May  6 16:49:18 2003
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:49:18 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C91AEC08F@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

I'm doing everything that you mention below.  Each file associates with a
product.  It also has an image as well.  The image will have IPTC header
that describe the product, price, model, make and etc.  Let me know if you
need more info.  Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:46 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files

What are you looking to do with the files? (ie, display, query, export, etc)
.. when in doubt, go SAX :-)

- Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Chuon" <LarryC at indexstock.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:41 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files


> I have nearly a million XML files generated from the database for products
> in my OSSuite application.  What is the best way to handle so many tiny
> files?  Windows crawl to its knees when I try to open up the directory
where
> the files locate at.  Is there a way to optimize disk I/O?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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From LarryC at indexstock.com  Tue May  6 16:51:27 2003
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:51:27 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C91AEC090@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

I've thought of that.  I'm still in the learning mode.  Any advice is
greatly appreciated.  By the way, my team is thinking about implementing
webservices for our product OSSuite after we saw the demo at NYPHP several
months ago.

-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:47 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files

first of all: wow.

second, is it necessary to have the info outside of the database as files?
can you create an XML document on the fly by request?

I do this out of a 10 year old proprietary db with 2000+ requests an hour
and it seems to work fine. IF you can, let the db handle your storage

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Chuon [mailto:LarryC at indexstock.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 1:41 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>
>
> I have nearly a million XML files generated from the database
> for products
> in my OSSuite application.  What is the best way to handle so
> many tiny
> files?  Windows crawl to its knees when I try to open up the
> directory where
> the files locate at.  Is there a way to optimize disk I/O?
>
>
>
>
>
>



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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May  6 16:56:02 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:56:02 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453CFD@pcsnet>

db's were MADE to do exactly what you want... associate, index and retrieve
vast quantites of data quickly. it's really pretty easy to fill out xml
templates with db calls and mysql can do thousands if not millions an hour.

check this simple example out:
http://www.ccp4.ac.uk/paw/dlwork/phpwithmysql/tsld002.htm

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Chuon [mailto:LarryC at indexstock.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 1:51 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> 
> 
> I've thought of that.  I'm still in the learning mode.  Any advice is
> greatly appreciated.  By the way, my team is thinking about 
> implementing
> webservices for our product OSSuite after we saw the demo at 
> NYPHP several
> months ago.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:47 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> 
> first of all: wow.
> 
> second, is it necessary to have the info outside of the 
> database as files?
> can you create an XML document on the fly by request?
> 
> I do this out of a 10 year old proprietary db with 2000+ 
> requests an hour
> and it seems to work fine. IF you can, let the db handle your storage
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Larry Chuon [mailto:LarryC at indexstock.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 1:41 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> >
> >
> > I have nearly a million XML files generated from the database
> > for products
> > in my OSSuite application.  What is the best way to handle so
> > many tiny
> > files?  Windows crawl to its knees when I try to open up the
> > directory where
> > the files locate at.  Is there a way to optimize disk I/O?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue May  6 16:57:07 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 13:57:07 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
References: <200305062049.h46KnLsN024043@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c31412$0e85c340$6400a8c0@INTEL17>

Well normally its suffice to say that if you have even > 1000 XML files that
you shouldn't even be using XML @ all ... if you need to query out an XML to
someone (say a client or web service client) then you'd build a layer
between a database and the client to format the results to XML and use the
same tool to suck in the data.

Client/XML <-> [My PHP Layer] <-> Database

Do you know if your current method is sucking up all the XML into
DOM/Memory?  This would cause the box to crawl to a halt.

- Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Chuon" <LarryC at indexstock.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files


> I'm doing everything that you mention below.  Each file associates with a
> product.  It also has an image as well.  The image will have IPTC header
> that describe the product, price, model, make and etc.  Let me know if you
> need more info.  Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:46 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>
> What are you looking to do with the files? (ie, display, query, export,
etc)
> . when in doubt, go SAX :-)
>
> - Jon
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Chuon" <LarryC at indexstock.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:41 PM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>
>
> > I have nearly a million XML files generated from the database for
products
> > in my OSSuite application.  What is the best way to handle so many tiny
> > files?  Windows crawl to its knees when I try to open up the directory
> where
> > the files locate at.  Is there a way to optimize disk I/O?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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From rick at nettheory.com  Tue May  6 16:58:35 2003
From: rick at nettheory.com (Rick Seeger)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:58:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
In-Reply-To: <200305062049.h46KnLtZ024043@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <HKEPLMBPEGFGAKDKKAEDIEDIDOAA.rick@nettheory.com>


How about creating a tiered directory structure [0-9a-z]/[0-9a-z] so the
file "xmlfiles/myfile.xml" would be stored as xmlfiles/m/y/myfile.xml. On
average you'd end up with (1 million / (36*36)) = 771 files per directory
which even windows can handle.

- Rick


-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Chuon [mailto:LarryC at indexstock.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:49 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files


I'm doing everything that you mention below.  Each file associates with a
product.  It also has an image as well.  The image will have IPTC header
that describe the product, price, model, make and etc.  Let me know if you
need more info.  Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:46 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files

What are you looking to do with the files? (ie, display, query, export, etc)
. when in doubt, go SAX :-)

- Jon

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Chuon" <LarryC at indexstock.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:41 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files


> I have nearly a million XML files generated from the database for products
> in my OSSuite application.  What is the best way to handle so many tiny
> files?  Windows crawl to its knees when I try to open up the directory
where
> the files locate at.  Is there a way to optimize disk I/O?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>






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From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Tue May  6 17:00:50 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 17:00:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
In-Reply-To: <200305062052.h46KpTvn024819@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305062052.h46KpTvn024819@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <4634-71117@sneakemail.com>

I would have to agree with Gary on this one.  As far as I can tell, if 
you're processing a million xml files, you're going to be limited by 
hardware requirements on your Windows box; if you want to speed the i/o 
up, get a Cheetah or more processor power/RAM.  If you do the coding for 
the xml dump on the fly, you're going to cut down your access time 
signficantly (I would imagine).  As it is, even just reading the file 
directory of a million files is going to hang (or crash!) your PC. 

+gadhra+

Larry Chuon LarryC-at-indexstock.com |NY PHP| wrote:

>I've thought of that.  I'm still in the learning mode.  Any advice is
>greatly appreciated.  By the way, my team is thinking about implementing
>webservices for our product OSSuite after we saw the demo at NYPHP several
>months ago.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:47 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>
>first of all: wow.
>
>second, is it necessary to have the info outside of the database as files?
>can you create an XML document on the fly by request?
>
>I do this out of a 10 year old proprietary db with 2000+ requests an hour
>and it seems to work fine. IF you can, let the db handle your storage
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Larry Chuon [mailto:LarryC at indexstock.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 1:41 PM
>>To: NYPHP Talk
>>Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>>
>>
>>I have nearly a million XML files generated from the database
>>for products
>>in my OSSuite application.  What is the best way to handle so
>>many tiny
>>files?  Windows crawl to its knees when I try to open up the
>>directory where
>>the files locate at.  Is there a way to optimize disk I/O?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>  
>

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It's you it's built on




From hans at nyphp.org  Tue May  6 17:28:13 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:28:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List: Digest Available?
In-Reply-To: <200305061510.h46F9Pu5006969@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030506212813.26925.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi Stephen,

--- Stephen Tang <webapprentice at onemain.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there a digest version of this list available?

Unfortunately not at this time.  We're going to start development on a much
improved mailing list system, which will include digests.

Best,




From hans at nyphp.org  Tue May  6 17:30:00 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:30:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accented chars
In-Reply-To: <200305061602.h46G1cu5009569@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030506213000.27293.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Emmanuel. M. Decarie" <emm at scriptdigital.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Just a short note to say that accented characters are not handled 
> correctly by this list.

Among many, many other things :)

This mailing list system is in dire need of a upgrade (or actually, rewrite)
which we'll be starting shortly.

Hans

> I'm writing this from OS X  in Eudora.
> 
> Cheers
> -Emmanuel
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue May  6 17:35:14 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:35:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
In-Reply-To: <200305062049.h46KnLnn024043@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305062049.h46KnLnn024043@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030506213514.GA12468@panix.com>

On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:49:21PM -0400, Larry Chuon wrote:
> I'm doing everything that you mention below.

So, import the files into a database and get rid of the XML files.

Here's a quick tutorial on how to parse XML in PHP:
   http:www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/phpxml.htm

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Tue May  6 17:40:46 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 17:40:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
Message-ID: <63340-22003526214046562@M2W073.mail2web.com>

Importing the XML files into a database is an ideal solution,
unfortunately, not always an available one, such as in my case.  I have
space on a remote server where database access is very expensive (it's my
own site and out of my price range to afford db access), so I have to
resort to XML as well.  PHP parses XML extremely fast and efficiently; I
highly recommend it.

I'd use PHP's available XML parsers along with grouping them into
directories sorted by a date or some other delimiter to allow for smaller
amount of files per directory.

Phil

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Analysis & Solutions danielc at analysisandsolutions.com
Date: Tue,  6 May 2003 17:35:16 -0400
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files


On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:49:21PM -0400, Larry Chuon wrote:
> I'm doing everything that you mention below.

So, import the files into a database and get rid of the XML files.

Here's a quick tutorial on how to parse XML in PHP:
   http:www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/phpxml.htm

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Tue May  6 17:52:38 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:52:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Using cURL to login to a page
In-Reply-To: <200305051404.h45E3Qu7061800@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030506215238.31337.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Ophir Prusak <ophir at prusak.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to write a script that will login to a username password
> restricted page so I can grep the page for some info.
> 
> I'm trying to do this with cURL, but for some reason, I always get
> redirected back to the login page (with an error=1 in the URL).
> 
> The site is using cold fusion.

Well there's your problem :)

> The login page is http://www.audienceextras.com/extrasapp/login/login.cfm
> though if you go to their homepage at http://www.audienceextras.com/ and
> click on member login, you get extra data in the URL as such
>
http://www.audienceextras.com/extrasapp/login/login.cfm?CFID=423367&CFTOKEN=5daa9ea-b5ba6910-7e3a-11d7-85fd-00508bc99e4f
> 
> Here's the code I'm currently using:
> 
> <?
> $ch = curl_init();
> 
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_COOKIEJAR, "/tmp/curl_cookies");
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_COOKIEFILE, "/tmp/curl_cookies");
> 
> curl_setopt($ch,
>
CURLOPT_URL,"http://www.audienceextras.com/extrasapp/login/loginchk.cfm?requ
> esttimeout=120");
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_POST, 1);
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_POSTFIELDS, "memid=<my member id>&pin=<my
> password>");
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_FOLLOWLOCATION, 1);
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_RETURNTRANSFER, 1);
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_USERAGENT, "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01;
> Windows NT 5.0)");
> 
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_VERBOSE, 1);
> curl_setopt($ch, CURLOPT_HEADER, 1);
> 
> $data = curl_exec($ch);
> curl_close ($ch);
> 
> print "Data is<br>\
";
> print $data
> 
> ?>

Do you have to specify the CFID and CFTOKEN somehow?  Perhaps in the POST URL
or as a referrer?

H


> 
> and here's the header I'm getting back:
> HTTP/1.1 100 Continue Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003
> 13:45:23 GMT HTTP/1.1 302 Object Moved Location:
>
login.cfm?error=1&CFID=423385&CFTOKEN=5619600-b5ba6922-7e3a-11d7-85fd-00508b
> c99e4f Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0 Content-Type: text/html Content-Length:
> 198
> HTTP/1.1 200 OK Server: Microsoft-IIS/4.0 Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 13:45:24
> GMT Connection: close Content-type: text/html Page-Completion-Status:
> Normal
> Page-Completion-Status: Normal Set-Cookie: CFID=; expires=Sat, 05-Apr-2003
> 08:45:24 GMT; path=/; Set-Cookie: CFTOKEN=; expires=Sat, 05-Apr-2003
> 08:45:24 GMT; path=/;
> 
> Any suggestions ??
> 
> thanx
> ophir
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May  6 17:52:33 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 14:52:33 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453CFE@pcsnet>

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http://www.oinko.net/freephp
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 2:41 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> 
> 
> Importing the XML files into a database is an ideal solution,
> unfortunately, not always an available one, such as in my 
> case.  I have
> space on a remote server where database access is very 
> expensive (it's my
> own site and out of my price range to afford db access), so I have to
> resort to XML as well.  PHP parses XML extremely fast and 
> efficiently; I
> highly recommend it.
> 
> I'd use PHP's available XML parsers along with grouping them into
> directories sorted by a date or some other delimiter to allow 
> for smaller
> amount of files per directory.
> 
> Phil
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Analysis & Solutions danielc at analysisandsolutions.com
> Date: Tue,  6 May 2003 17:35:16 -0400
> To: talk at nyphp.org
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:49:21PM -0400, Larry Chuon wrote:
> > I'm doing everything that you mention below.
> 
> So, import the files into a database and get rid of the XML files.
> 
> Here's a quick tutorial on how to parse XML in PHP:
>    http:www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/phpxml.htm
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> --Dan
> 
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From LarryC at indexstock.com  Tue May  6 18:31:02 2003
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 18:31:02 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C91AEC092@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

Thank you all for your quick responses.  I'll consider generating XML on the
fly (still new at this).  Here's another question.  Besides importing the
files to dB, is there another way to index and query large volumes of
documents.  I'm going out of tangent a bit here.  Let say, I'm archiving
tons of document for a public library.  They want to scan and digitize
millions of articles.  What is the best way to index and search for articles
say by keywords or captions?



-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:53 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files

http://www.phpwebhosting.com/
http://phphosts.codewalkers.com
http://www.oinko.net/freephp
www.free-php-hosting.com

cheap hosting... cheap db access... i love (hearts in eyes) mysql


> -----Original Message-----
> From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 2:41 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>
>
> Importing the XML files into a database is an ideal solution,
> unfortunately, not always an available one, such as in my
> case.  I have
> space on a remote server where database access is very
> expensive (it's my
> own site and out of my price range to afford db access), so I have to
> resort to XML as well.  PHP parses XML extremely fast and
> efficiently; I
> highly recommend it.
>
> I'd use PHP's available XML parsers along with grouping them into
> directories sorted by a date or some other delimiter to allow
> for smaller
> amount of files per directory.
>
> Phil
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Analysis & Solutions danielc at analysisandsolutions.com
> Date: Tue,  6 May 2003 17:35:16 -0400
> To: talk at nyphp.org
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>
>
> On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:49:21PM -0400, Larry Chuon wrote:
> > I'm doing everything that you mention below.
>
> So, import the files into a database and get rid of the XML files.
>
> Here's a quick tutorial on how to parse XML in PHP:
>    http:www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/phpxml.htm
>
> Enjoy,
>
> --Dan
>
> --
>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue May  6 18:42:25 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 15:42:25 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
References: <200305062231.h46MV5sN034855@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001801c31420$c3d570c0$6400a8c0@INTEL17>

Either XQuery or XPath (http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpxpath/) ...

But even then to build up the doc in DOM will never work ... when your
definition of "large volumes" gets over a certain point I don't think you
have any other options except a DB.  If you have many small (say ~< 100kb)
XML then Id run a query over the docs and cache the results.

- Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Chuon" <LarryC at indexstock.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:31 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files


> Thank you all for your quick responses.  I'll consider generating XML on
the
> fly (still new at this).  Here's another question.  Besides importing the
> files to dB, is there another way to index and query large volumes of
> documents.  I'm going out of tangent a bit here.  Let say, I'm archiving
> tons of document for a public library.  They want to scan and digitize
> millions of articles.  What is the best way to index and search for
articles
> say by keywords or captions?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:53 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>
> http://www.phpwebhosting.com/
> http://phphosts.codewalkers.com
> http://www.oinko.net/freephp
> www.free-php-hosting.com
>
> cheap hosting... cheap db access... i love (hearts in eyes) mysql
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 2:41 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> >
> >
> > Importing the XML files into a database is an ideal solution,
> > unfortunately, not always an available one, such as in my
> > case.  I have
> > space on a remote server where database access is very
> > expensive (it's my
> > own site and out of my price range to afford db access), so I have to
> > resort to XML as well.  PHP parses XML extremely fast and
> > efficiently; I
> > highly recommend it.
> >
> > I'd use PHP's available XML parsers along with grouping them into
> > directories sorted by a date or some other delimiter to allow
> > for smaller
> > amount of files per directory.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Analysis & Solutions danielc at analysisandsolutions.com
> > Date: Tue,  6 May 2003 17:35:16 -0400
> > To: talk at nyphp.org
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:49:21PM -0400, Larry Chuon wrote:
> > > I'm doing everything that you mention below.
> >
> > So, import the files into a database and get rid of the XML files.
> >
> > Here's a quick tutorial on how to parse XML in PHP:
> >    http:www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/phpxml.htm
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
> > --Dan
> >
> > --
> >      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> >  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
> >
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From Gutsguth at aol.com  Tue May  6 19:05:41 2003
From: Gutsguth at aol.com (Gutsguth at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:05:41 EDT
Subject: Delete
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue May  6 19:16:44 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:16:44 -0700
Subject: XML Query story
Message-ID: <002c01c31425$8ffe9ec0$6400a8c0@INTEL17>

http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-1000086.html?tag=fd_top

-snip-
"How do you make traditional database languages like SQL (Structured Query
Language) work with XML?" asked W3C spokeswoman Janet Daly in an interview
with CNET News.com. "The XML Query working group has been putting together a
framework of documents that provide the technical answer to that question,
so that XML documents can start to look like parts of one massive database."

-snip-

What I kinda find a little dumb is if SQL is already a standard why does it
have to work w/ XML?  If a database was open to the web what is wrong with
just querying it in the first place ...

- Jon



From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May  6 19:27:22 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 16:27:22 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML Query story
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453CFF@pcsnet>

there is great benefit to xml because the mark-up can give the data
*meaningful and relational labels*

if I give a schema or DTD(the xml rules im playing with) to a business
partner s/he can write an XSLT(translator) to use the information in a
variety of formats
independent of connectivity or output source
ie.,
<pre>
<sender>
	<name> gary</name>
	<job>hacker</job>
</sender>

parsed to

<div>name:gary<p /> job:hacker</div>

or

Gary is a hacker

or *spoken*
</pre>

once your backend is up the parsing and verifying of good data is TOTALLY
left to our silicon friends.

besides... quite a few db's now store xml natively (Apache Xindice)
http://xml.apache.org/xindice/

pretty cool

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 4:17 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML Query story
> 
> 
> http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-1000086.html?tag=fd_top
> 
> -snip-
> "How do you make traditional database languages like SQL 
> (Structured Query
> Language) work with XML?" asked W3C spokeswoman Janet Daly in 
> an interview
> with CNET News.com. "The XML Query working group has been 
> putting together a
> framework of documents that provide the technical answer to 
> that question,
> so that XML documents can start to look like parts of one 
> massive database."
> 
> -snip-
> 
> What I kinda find a little dumb is if SQL is already a 
> standard why does it
> have to work w/ XML?  If a database was open to the web what 
> is wrong with
> just querying it in the first place ...
> 
> - Jon
> 
> 
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From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Tue May  6 21:09:38 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 21:09:38 -0400
Subject: mbox
Message-ID: <000f01c31435$55665d60$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

Does anyone know of any existing code for working directly with mbox files bypassing POP or IMAP?

Thanks,
Jerry

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From webapprentice at onemain.com  Tue May  6 22:02:42 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Webapprentice)
Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 22:02:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List: Digest Available?
In-Reply-To: <200305062128.h46LSFuN029312@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305062128.h46LSFuN029312@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EB86942.8070105@onemain.com>

Hi Hans,
Thanks for the information.
Just a lot of emails to skim through. ^_^

--Stephen


Hans Zaunere wrote:
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> --- Stephen Tang <webapprentice at onemain.com> wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>Is there a digest version of this list available?
> 
> 
> Unfortunately not at this time.  We're going to start development on a much
> improved mailing list system, which will include digests.
> 
> Best,



From chun_lam at hotmail.com  Tue May  6 23:19:34 2003
From: chun_lam at hotmail.com (Matthew Lam)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:19:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mbox
References: <200305070109.h4718orV040990@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAY2-DAV53SDx1kLwxT000009ea@hotmail.com>

sure you can use emacs or vi or whatever your flavor or editor.

Matthew
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Kapron" <nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:08 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mbox


> Does anyone know of any existing code for working directly with mbox files
bypassing POP or IMAP?
>
> Thanks,
> Jerry
>
> --
> 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
>
>
>
>
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From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Wed May  7 00:59:25 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 00:59:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mbox
Message-ID: <003101c31455$6f224b40$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

Matthew,
I don't know if you're serious but in case you are I'd like to make it clear that I'm looking for PHP code (preferably a class) for managing the contents (e-mail messages) of an mbox file.

Jerry

--
42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Lam <chun_lam at hotmail.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Date: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mbox


>sure you can use emacs or vi or whatever your flavor or editor.
>
>Matthew
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jerry Kapron" <nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com>
>To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:08 PM
>Subject: [nycphp-talk] mbox
>
>
>> Does anyone know of any existing code for working directly with mbox files
>bypassing POP or IMAP?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jerry
>>
>> --
>> 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
>>
>>
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From chalu at egenius.com  Wed May  7 00:02:24 2003
From: chalu at egenius.com (chalu at egenius.com)
Date: Wed,  7 May 2003 00:02:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
Message-ID: <20030507040224.2EF62E0386@virtual.domain.tld>


Try to use Btree as in binary tree. In a folder with many files like more than 50,000, it will crawl. Any would.

That is why in Zope, there is a binary tree by Andy Mckay (is that Andy's work?) to deal with this type of stuff.
 
Or you can create many folders (simulating btree with folders). Create hashes (indices) to store where XML files are at. 

However, the fact you have that many files is like a need to re-think your solution. Perhaps, you can use Sleepycat DB. 

All the best

Larry Chuon <LarryC at indexstock.com> wrote ..
> I'm doing everything that you mention below.  Each file associates with
> a
> product.  It also has an image as well.  The image will have IPTC header
> that describe the product, price, model, make and etc.  Let me know if
> you
> need more info.  Thanks.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:46 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> 
> What are you looking to do with the files? (ie, display, query, export,
> etc)
> . when in doubt, go SAX :-)
> 
> - Jon
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Chuon" <LarryC at indexstock.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:41 PM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> 
> 
> > I have nearly a million XML files generated from the database for products
> > in my OSSuite application.  What is the best way to handle so many tiny
> > files?  Windows crawl to its knees when I try to open up the directory
> where
> > the files locate at.  Is there a way to optimize disk I/O?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed May  7 09:13:14 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 06:13:14 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mbox
References: <200305070109.h4718osN040990@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002701c3149a$6aed94e0$6400a8c0@INTEL17>

PEAR has a package for it ... seems just a tad out of date ...

http://pear.php.net/package-info.php?pacid=150

- Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Kapron" <nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 6:08 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mbox


> Does anyone know of any existing code for working directly with mbox files
bypassing POP or IMAP?
>
> Thanks,
> Jerry
>
> --
> 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
>
>
>
>
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From jackson at identitymap.com  Wed May  7 10:06:25 2003
From: jackson at identitymap.com (Jackson Maio)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 10:06:25 -0400
Subject: needed web programming tutor for 10 year old
Message-ID: <BADE8B20.99D%jackson@identitymap.com>

This is definitely an unusual request.

A friend's friend has a 10 year old who would like to learn web
programming for this summer.

If someone who would like to take up this challenge. Tutoring would probably
take 2-3 hours per session, 2-3 times a week during weekdays.
Teaching time is flexible and tutoring fee is open for discussion.  If
interested, please contact Randy at projectconsultants at yahoo.com or I can
forward it to him.

About the potential student:
He has been in the States for 3 months in Long Island City, NY, and
is just beginning to adjust to the language.  He had
extensive English and computer tutoring at the Pagan
school in Harbin, China but his English is not advanced
enough to be taught in standard classroom level.  He
currently attends UNIS United Nations school but has
problems because his computer skills are at a higher
level than his peers but the language is a barrier.

 
Jackson Maio



From ophir at prusak.com  Wed May  7 10:13:22 2003
From: ophir at prusak.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:13:22 -0400
Subject: looking for php based php source browser
References: <200305071314.h47DDVvD057593@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c314a2$d1d105e0$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

Here's the deal,

We have few hundred php files and a few hundred include files for our site.
When viewing a php file I find myself constantly opening more and more
files.
File A has an include of file B which has an include of file C etc ...

What I'd like to do is when viewing a file (in my browser via a php script):
All function calls will be a link to view the file and line where the
function is defined.
All includes / requires will be a link to view the file.
All local href links and form actions will be a link to view the file.

1. Before I go and re-invent the wheel, does anything like this already
exist ? (in php of course).
I'm guessing that the better PHP IDEs (like zend studio) probably have
something like this built in, but I want a total server side solution.

2. If nothing like this already exists, would anyone be interested in
writing this with me as an open source project ?

Thanx
Ophir





From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed May  7 10:42:44 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:42:44 -0700
Subject: Throwing CLI content directly to clipboard ... (Win32)
Message-ID: <007601c314a6$eb742550$6400a8c0@INTEL17>

Im doing some small quick utils in CLI and want to know if there is a
function that would let me throw the results directly into the clipboard ...
any ideas?  Anything in the W32API?

Thanks.

- Jon



From hans at nyphp.org  Wed May  7 10:50:29 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:50:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] looking for php based php source browser
In-Reply-To: <200305071413.h47ECpu7060153@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030507145029.89567.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Ophir Prusak <ophir at prusak.com> wrote:
> Here's the deal,
> 
> We have few hundred php files and a few hundred include files for our site.
> When viewing a php file I find myself constantly opening more and more
> files.
> File A has an include of file B which has an include of file C etc ...
> 
> What I'd like to do is when viewing a file (in my browser via a php
> script):
> All function calls will be a link to view the file and line where the
> function is defined.
> All includes / requires will be a link to view the file.
> All local href links and form actions will be a link to view the file.
> 
> 1. Before I go and re-invent the wheel, does anything like this already
> exist ? (in php of course).
> I'm guessing that the better PHP IDEs (like zend studio) probably have
> something like this built in, but I want a total server side solution.

Something like:  http://lxr.php.net

There are loads of commercial packages as well, although I'm not familiar
with them.

> 2. If nothing like this already exists, would anyone be interested in
> writing this with me as an open source project ?

Sure; I'm not sure how close lxr is to what you need, but kick some specs
around and I'd be happy to write some code.

H

> 
> Thanx
> Ophir
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 10:51:21 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:51:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Throwing CLI content directly to clipboard ...
In-Reply-To: <200305071444.h47Eh4u7061310@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030507145121.39631.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.net> wrote:
> Im doing some small quick utils in CLI and want to know if there is a
> function that would let me throw the results directly into the clipboard
> ...
> any ideas?  Anything in the W32API?

I'm in uncharted terroritory here, but perhaps some of the COM stuff?

H

> 
> Thanks.
> 
> - Jon
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 10:53:14 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:53:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List: Digest Available?
In-Reply-To: <200305070159.h471xDu7042314@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030507145314.40775.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Webapprentice <webapprentice at onemain.com> wrote:
> Hi Hans,
> Thanks for the information.
> Just a lot of emails to skim through. ^_^

Yeah, I hear ya.  We'll be getting something going soon to address these, and
other issues.

In the meantime, consider just visiting the archives on a regular basis, or
better yet, your mail client/provider must support filtering of some sort (I
filter everything to talk at nyphp.org to a seperate folder).

H

> 
> --Stephen
> 
> 
> Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > Hi Stephen,
> > 
> > --- Stephen Tang <webapprentice at onemain.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>Hi,
> >>Is there a digest version of this list available?
> > 
> > 
> > Unfortunately not at this time.  We're going to start development on a
> much
> > improved mailing list system, which will include digests.
> > 
> > Best,
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From ophir at prusak.com  Wed May  7 11:01:10 2003
From: ophir at prusak.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:01:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] looking for php based php source browser
References: <200305071451.h47EoWvD062157@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00b901c314a9$7f1ea850$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

I looked at lxr, but it doesn't seem to be doing what I want.

I'll write up a more detailed specs of the functionality :)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.org>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] looking for php based php source browser


>
> --- Ophir Prusak <ophir at prusak.com> wrote:
> > Here's the deal,
> >
> > We have few hundred php files and a few hundred include files for our
site.
> > When viewing a php file I find myself constantly opening more and more
> > files.
> > File A has an include of file B which has an include of file C etc ...
> >
> > What I'd like to do is when viewing a file (in my browser via a php
> > script):
> > All function calls will be a link to view the file and line where the
> > function is defined.
> > All includes / requires will be a link to view the file.
> > All local href links and form actions will be a link to view the file.
> >
> > 1. Before I go and re-invent the wheel, does anything like this already
> > exist ? (in php of course).
> > I'm guessing that the better PHP IDEs (like zend studio) probably have
> > something like this built in, but I want a total server side solution.
>
> Something like:  http://lxr.php.net
>
> There are loads of commercial packages as well, although I'm not familiar
> with them.
>
> > 2. If nothing like this already exists, would anyone be interested in
> > writing this with me as an open source project ?
>
> Sure; I'm not sure how close lxr is to what you need, but kick some specs
> around and I'd be happy to write some code.
>
> H
>
> >
> > Thanx
> > Ophir
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>




From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Wed May  7 11:09:41 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:09:41 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D01@pcsnet>

an aside...

	a binary tree is a specific example of a btree... one that can have
up to 2 branches from each node. A generalized btree can have N branches
from a given node. The search depth of an N branch btree (how may nodes to
check b4 you get your info) can give definite advantages if an application
can suck up big bunches of information at any given iteration (example:
reading from disk).  

I agree that a btree is a pretty good solution to the big bunches of files
problem but the very best implementations are already done for us (in db's)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: chalu at egenius.com [mailto:chalu at egenius.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 10:12 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> 
> 
> 
> Try to use Btree as in binary tree. In a folder with many 
> files like more than 50,000, it will crawl. Any would.
> 
> That is why in Zope, there is a binary tree by Andy Mckay (is 
> that Andy's work?) to deal with this type of stuff.
>  
> Or you can create many folders (simulating btree with 
> folders). Create hashes (indices) to store where XML files are at. 
> 
> However, the fact you have that many files is like a need to 
> re-think your solution. Perhaps, you can use Sleepycat DB. 
> 
> All the best
> 
> Larry Chuon <LarryC at indexstock.com> wrote ..
> > I'm doing everything that you mention below.  Each file 
> associates with
> > a
> > product.  It also has an image as well.  The image will 
> have IPTC header
> > that describe the product, price, model, make and etc.  Let 
> me know if
> > you
> > need more info.  Thanks.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:46 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> > 
> > What are you looking to do with the files? (ie, display, 
> query, export,
> > etc)
> > . when in doubt, go SAX :-)
> > 
> > - Jon
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Chuon" <LarryC at indexstock.com>
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:41 PM
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> > 
> > 
> > > I have nearly a million XML files generated from the 
> database for products
> > > in my OSSuite application.  What is the best way to 
> handle so many tiny
> > > files?  Windows crawl to its knees when I try to open up 
> the directory
> > where
> > > the files locate at.  Is there a way to optimize disk I/O?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From sklar at sklar.com  Wed May  7 11:20:29 2003
From: sklar at sklar.com (David Sklar)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:20:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] looking for php based php source browser
In-Reply-To: <200305071501.h47F0cvl064554@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NFBBJNKBNKCIKGKJIFPJOEPKFPAA.sklar@sklar.com>

PHPDocumentor (http://phpdocu.sourceforge.net/) may do what you want (or be
easy to patch to do what you want).

David

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ophir Prusak [mailto:ophir at prusak.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:01 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] looking for php based php source browser
>
>
> I looked at lxr, but it doesn't seem to be doing what I want.
>
> I'll write up a more detailed specs of the functionality :)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hans Zaunere" <hans at nyphp.org>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] looking for php based php source browser
>
>
> >
> > --- Ophir Prusak <ophir at prusak.com> wrote:
> > > Here's the deal,
> > >
> > > We have few hundred php files and a few hundred include files for our
> site.
> > > When viewing a php file I find myself constantly opening more and more
> > > files.
> > > File A has an include of file B which has an include of file C etc ...
> > >
> > > What I'd like to do is when viewing a file (in my browser via a php
> > > script):
> > > All function calls will be a link to view the file and line where the
> > > function is defined.
> > > All includes / requires will be a link to view the file.
> > > All local href links and form actions will be a link to view the file.
> > >
> > > 1. Before I go and re-invent the wheel, does anything like
> this already
> > > exist ? (in php of course).
> > > I'm guessing that the better PHP IDEs (like zend studio) probably have
> > > something like this built in, but I want a total server side solution.
> >
> > Something like:  http://lxr.php.net
> >
> > There are loads of commercial packages as well, although I'm
> not familiar
> > with them.
> >
> > > 2. If nothing like this already exists, would anyone be interested in
> > > writing this with me as an open source project ?
> >
> > Sure; I'm not sure how close lxr is to what you need, but kick
> some specs
> > around and I'd be happy to write some code.
> >
> > H
> >
> > >
> > > Thanx
> > > Ophir
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>





From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed May  7 11:53:18 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 08:53:18 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Throwing CLI content directly to clipboard ...
References: <200305071452.h47EpSsN062686@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00ae01c314b0$c7729240$6400a8c0@INTEL17>

>
> I'm in uncharted terroritory here, but perhaps some of the COM stuff?
>

Thanks, yeah I thought that too ... any ideas on how anyone?  I ended up
throwing it all over to Perl (which I didn't want to do):

shell_exec("perl clipboard.pl $value")

use Win32::Clipboard;
$CLIP = Win32::Clipboard();
$CLIP->Set($ARGV[0]);

- Jon



From heli_travel at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 12:02:37 2003
From: heli_travel at yahoo.com (LY)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:02:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
In-Reply-To: <200302261723.h1QHLRKF059751@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030507160237.21401.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Folks,

I got a very interesting question. When I try to use PHP to
produce a dowload file, I usually use header, like this:


header("Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel;
charset=$dest_charset");
print(" " . $content); 

I print the very long string out with a specfic header
information.

This code works fine on windows, linux machines, but it doesn't
work for Mac. Mac will download an url instead of a excel file.
the above code, will give me aa abc.xls file on windows and
linux, but will give me an url, like
this"http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212" on Mac, and
I can't open it!

This things bother me a lot, Could some one help me out:

1)Do I need to configure browser on that Mac to plug in some
applications?

2)How to change the header to let Mac to download an excel file
with a specified name and extension instaead of a
url(http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212)

Thanks for your help!





__________________________________
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The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Wed May  7 12:10:24 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:10:24 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D05@pcsnet>

this worked for me...

    header("Pragma: ");
    header("Cache-Control: ");
    header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT");
    header("Last-Modified: " . gmdate("D, d M Y H:i:s") . " GMT");
    header("Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache, must-revalidate");
    header("Cache-Control: post-check=0, pre-check=0", false);
    header("Content-type: application/csv-tab-delimited-table;");
    header("Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=downloaded.csv");


> -----Original Message-----
> From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 9:03 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
> 
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I got a very interesting question. When I try to use PHP to
> produce a dowload file, I usually use header, like this:
> 
> 
> header("Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel;
> charset=$dest_charset");
> print(" " . $content); 
> 
> I print the very long string out with a specfic header
> information.
> 
> This code works fine on windows, linux machines, but it doesn't
> work for Mac. Mac will download an url instead of a excel file.
> the above code, will give me aa abc.xls file on windows and
> linux, but will give me an url, like
> this"http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212" on Mac, and
> I can't open it!
> 
> This things bother me a lot, Could some one help me out:
> 
> 1)Do I need to configure browser on that Mac to plug in some
> applications?
> 
> 2)How to change the header to let Mac to download an excel file
> with a specified name and extension instaead of a
> url(http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212)
> 
> Thanks for your help!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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From webapprentice at onemain.com  Wed May  7 09:28:42 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Stephen Tang)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:28:42 -0400 (GMT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List: Digest Available?
Message-ID: <7151196.1052324922483.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Hello, 
Filtering incoming NYPHP mail to a separate directory is an alternative or unsubscribing and viewing the archive, but I at least want to say something to the list when I have something that's on my mind (like now. heh).

No biggie.  I'll work around this for now.    Everybody is nice on this list anyway. =)



-------Original Message-------
From: Hans Zaunere <zaunere at yahoo.com>
Sent: 05/07/03 10:53 AM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List: Digest Available?

> 
> 
--- Webapprentice <webapprentice at onemain.com> wrote:
> Hi Hans,
> Thanks for the information.
> Just a lot of emails to skim through. ^_^

Yeah, I hear ya.  We'll be getting something going soon to address these,
and
other issues.

In the meantime, consider just visiting the archives on a regular basis,
or
better yet, your mail client/provider must support filtering of some sort
(I
filter everything to talk at nyphp.org to a seperate folder).

H

> 
> --Stephen
> 
> 
> Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > Hi Stephen,
> > 
> > --- Stephen Tang <webapprentice at onemain.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>Hi,
> >>Is there a digest version of this list available?
> > 
> > 
> > Unfortunately not at this time.  We're going to start development on a
> much
> > improved mailing list system, which will include digests.
> > 
> > Best,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Wed May  7 12:37:50 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:37:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List: Digest Available?
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D3B@USA1370MS1>

The easiest way to make a digest is to have the system email the archive
page as HTML formatted email.  For instance, this page here:
http://www.nyphp.org/content/mailinglist/marchive.php?list=YToyOntpOjA7czoxO
iIyIjtpOjE7aTowO30=

If you get this to work, then just give subscriber option to subscribe to
each message, or to digest.

That's my 2 cents :-)

Pinyo

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Tang [mailto:webapprentice at onemain.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:29 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: Re: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List: Digest Available?


Hello, 
Filtering incoming NYPHP mail to a separate directory is an alternative or
unsubscribing and viewing the archive, but I at least want to say something
to the list when I have something that's on my mind (like now. heh).

No biggie.  I'll work around this for now.    Everybody is nice on this list
anyway. =)



-------Original Message-------
From: Hans Zaunere <zaunere at yahoo.com>
Sent: 05/07/03 10:53 AM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] NYPHP List: Digest Available?

> 
> 
--- Webapprentice <webapprentice at onemain.com> wrote:
> Hi Hans,
> Thanks for the information.
> Just a lot of emails to skim through. ^_^

Yeah, I hear ya.  We'll be getting something going soon to address these,
and
other issues.

In the meantime, consider just visiting the archives on a regular basis,
or
better yet, your mail client/provider must support filtering of some sort
(I
filter everything to talk at nyphp.org to a seperate folder).

H

> 
> --Stephen
> 
> 
> Hans Zaunere wrote:
> > Hi Stephen,
> > 
> > --- Stephen Tang <webapprentice at onemain.com> wrote:
> > 
> >>Hi,
> >>Is there a digest version of this list available?
> > 
> > 
> > Unfortunately not at this time.  We're going to start development on a
> much
> > improved mailing list system, which will include digests.
> > 
> > Best,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From heli_travel at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 13:59:02 2003
From: heli_travel at yahoo.com (LY)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:59:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
In-Reply-To: <200305071612.h47GAv0Z069587@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030507175902.84790.qmail@web12205.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Gary,

I still can't open it on the Mac. I can open this in windows
with no problem. It still gives me a url in eMac, it doesn't
give me the "downloaded.csv".
Please advise!

Thanks!

--- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> this worked for me...
> 
>     header("Pragma: ");
>     header("Cache-Control: ");
>     header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT");
>     header("Last-Modified: " . gmdate("D, d M Y H:i:s") . "
> GMT");
>     header("Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache,
> must-revalidate");
>     header("Cache-Control: post-check=0, pre-check=0", false);
>     header("Content-type:
> application/csv-tab-delimited-table;");
>     header("Content-Disposition: attachment;
> filename=downloaded.csv");
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 9:03 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Folks,
> > 
> > I got a very interesting question. When I try to use PHP to
> > produce a dowload file, I usually use header, like this:
> > 
> > 
> > header("Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel;
> > charset=$dest_charset");
> > print(" " . $content); 
> > 
> > I print the very long string out with a specfic header
> > information.
> > 
> > This code works fine on windows, linux machines, but it
> doesn't
> > work for Mac. Mac will download an url instead of a excel
> file.
> > the above code, will give me aa abc.xls file on windows and
> > linux, but will give me an url, like
> > this"http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212" on Mac,
> and
> > I can't open it!
> > 
> > This things bother me a lot, Could some one help me out:
> > 
> > 1)Do I need to configure browser on that Mac to plug in some
> > applications?
> > 
> > 2)How to change the header to let Mac to download an excel
> file
> > with a specified name and extension instaead of a
> > url(http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212)
> > 
> > Thanks for your help!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > http://search.yahoo.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 


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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Wed May  7 14:09:31 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:09:31 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D09@pcsnet>

what browser (name and version) are you using... please don't say NS4 :) 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 10:59 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
> 
> 
> Hi Gary,
> 
> I still can't open it on the Mac. I can open this in windows
> with no problem. It still gives me a url in eMac, it doesn't
> give me the "downloaded.csv".
> Please advise!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> > this worked for me...
> > 
> >     header("Pragma: ");
> >     header("Cache-Control: ");
> >     header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT");
> >     header("Last-Modified: " . gmdate("D, d M Y H:i:s") . "
> > GMT");
> >     header("Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache,
> > must-revalidate");
> >     header("Cache-Control: post-check=0, pre-check=0", false);
> >     header("Content-type:
> > application/csv-tab-delimited-table;");
> >     header("Content-Disposition: attachment;
> > filename=downloaded.csv");
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 9:03 AM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Folks,
> > > 
> > > I got a very interesting question. When I try to use PHP to
> > > produce a dowload file, I usually use header, like this:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > header("Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel;
> > > charset=$dest_charset");
> > > print(" " . $content); 
> > > 
> > > I print the very long string out with a specfic header
> > > information.
> > > 
> > > This code works fine on windows, linux machines, but it
> > doesn't
> > > work for Mac. Mac will download an url instead of a excel
> > file.
> > > the above code, will give me aa abc.xls file on windows and
> > > linux, but will give me an url, like
> > > this"http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212" on Mac,
> > and
> > > I can't open it!
> > > 
> > > This things bother me a lot, Could some one help me out:
> > > 
> > > 1)Do I need to configure browser on that Mac to plug in some
> > > applications?
> > > 
> > > 2)How to change the header to let Mac to download an excel
> > file
> > > with a specified name and extension instaead of a
> > > url(http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212)
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your help!
> > > 
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From mxw65 at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 14:17:10 2003
From: mxw65 at yahoo.com (Mike West)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:17:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Job Posting/ Recruitment Package
Message-ID: <20030507181710.53388.qmail@web13507.mail.yahoo.com>

Suggestion on AMP based Job/ Resume Posting / Recruitment type package? Hoping
to post resumes, collect personal info and match jobs to jobs available.

Thanks all,
M West

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From LarryC at indexstock.com  Wed May  7 14:17:47 2003
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:17:47 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C91AEC09C@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

Hi Anirudh,
 
Long time no hear.  Thank you and everyone at NYPHP <mailto:everyone at NYPHP>
for the solution.  I learn a great deal in the last day and half.  As Chalu
had noted, I need to rethink through the solution again.  Pumping out nearly
a million XML files is not the best practice.  Last night, I accepted Gary
Malcolm's invitation to look at Xindice.  Xindice uses Xpath and Xupdate, it
addresses some of my concerns (not certain how many records it can support
though, but I can categorize).  Unfortunately, Xindice does not have a PHP
client for their API.  I need to figure out something for this.  
 
Your sample codes resolve my large volume of files should I ever need to
spit out more XML files.
 
Now, I have a whole new set of problems.  Lets say, I need to share data
with some companies.  The XML files get changed and must be updated on my
system or their system depending on who is/are the recipient(s) of the
changes.  Since I have nearly a million records, how do I keep track of
changes?  Importing everything back into Xindice or whatever repository in a
multiple of X times will generate a lot unnecessary traffic.  On the other
hand, updating only the changes will require a lot of tracking (timestamp)
as well.  Finally, giving appropriate hook to the partners will require an
extensive predefined business rules (I don't know it all and I don't assume
to know my partners/users business workflow either) and some sort of version
control for rollback and approval process similarly to CMS.  Thought
anybody?
 
Thanks for all the suggestions guys.
Larry
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Anirudh Zala [mailto:anirudh at aumcomputers.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:17 AM
To: talk at nyphp.org
Cc: LarryC at indexstock.com
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
 
Larry
 
Let's have look about your problems 1 by 1
 
1: Problem of storing and accessing large volume of files in 1 container
directory.
 
A: In such cases splitted directory structure solution is best like what
"Rick Seeger" has suggested. Hence you can design a special directory
structure that can generate new directory as and when total amout of files
execeeds the limit say... 100 files per directory. Below sample function
does that (it generate new directory as soon as "id" exceeds value 100)
 
// CRATES A DIRECTORY ACCORDING TO GIVEN ID AND PARENT DIR PATH
function createDir($id,$parent)
{
    $nd_dirlimit = 100;

    $mod = ceil($id/$nd_dirlimit) - 1;
 
    $dirs = $mod * $nd_dirlimit + 1;
    $dire = $dirs + $nd_dirlimit - 1;
 
    $tempDir = $dirs."_".$dire;
 
    if(! file_exists("$parent/$tempDir"))
          mkdir("$parent/$tempDir",0777);
 
    return "$tempDir";
}
By above method dirctory structure will be like ../1_100/, ../101_200/,
../201_300/ and in each directory file name with id say "1.xml" to "100.xml"
(or with any name) will reside. Once above directory structure is
implemented no script will crawl like now :D.
 
2: Importing Data into DB by parsing XML files
 
A: Use php's file "XPath.class.php" this is very nice OO file to parse XML
documents at greater speed. It has lot of easy to use method and properties
like $xml->evaluate, $xml->setAttributes, $xml->appendChild,
$xml->removeAttribute, $xml->exportToFile etc...by which you can parse lot
of XML documents like playing Zigsaw puzzles. It is very handy, class based
php file. Check example at
http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~sa386/php/XPath_V2/testBench/useCases/
<http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~sa386/php/XPath_V2/testBench/useCases/> 
 
Some times it is useful to use Utilities of Perl and executing your perl/cgi
scripts from console level. This very fastest and reliable method IF such
doucmens are to be generated, read or write in batch mode. Perl's XML::DOM
package helps here. Other advantage of such mechanism is that you can run
such scripts seperately from other servers that has connection with your DB
server, hence reduction of overhaed on your main server that has php scripts
running.
 
Another method is XSQL that is powerful but still new to us and PHP, where
your DB SQL is written directly into XML file that syncronises (update your
XML document from DB by executing XSQL) your XML and DB from 2 ways. (Can't
tell much here :( )
 
3: Is there another way to index and query large volumes of documents?
 
A: I am not getting here exactly your problem, But if you need faster
document access from directory or file system (serching 1 file from million
files) then answer of 1 st question can help here where you just need to
search particular document from 100 files from documnet diretory, already
given from DB.
 
And if question is related to Data then use of indexes (Indexing commonly
used fields in Db like primary keys and foreigh keys) in mysql can make
"Access of record" faster.
 
Thanks,
 
Anirudh Zala ( azala at lechuon.com <mailto:azala at lechuon.com> )
 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Chuon" <  <mailto:LarryC at indexstock.com> LarryC at indexstock.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <  <mailto:talk at nyphp.org> talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 4:01 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
 
> Thank you all for your quick responses.  I'll consider generating XML on
the
> fly (still new at this).  Here's another question.  Besides importing the
> files to dB, is there another way to index and query large volumes of
> documents.  I'm going out of tangent a bit here.  Let say, I'm archiving
> tons of document for a public library.  They want to scan and digitize
> millions of articles.  What is the best way to index and search for
articles
> say by keywords or captions?
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:53 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> 
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> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:  <mailto:soazine at pop.erols.com> soazine at pop.erols.com
[mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 2:41 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> >
> >
> > Importing the XML files into a database is an ideal solution,
> > unfortunately, not always an available one, such as in my
> > case.  I have
> > space on a remote server where database access is very
> > expensive (it's my
> > own site and out of my price range to afford db access), so I have to
> > resort to XML as well.  PHP parses XML extremely fast and
> > efficiently; I
> > highly recommend it.
> >
> > I'd use PHP's available XML parsers along with grouping them into
> > directories sorted by a date or some other delimiter to allow
> > for smaller
> > amount of files per directory.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Analysis & Solutions  <mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
danielc at analysisandsolutions.com
> > Date: Tue,  6 May 2003 17:35:16 -0400
> > To:  <mailto:talk at nyphp.org> talk at nyphp.org
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:49:21PM -0400, Larry Chuon wrote:
> > > I'm doing everything that you mention below.
> >
> > So, import the files into a database and get rid of the XML files.
> >
> > Here's a quick tutorial on how to parse XML in PHP:
> >    http:www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/phpxml.htm
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
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From heli_travel at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 14:38:39 2003
From: heli_travel at yahoo.com (LY)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:38:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
In-Reply-To: <200305071810.h47IA40Z074431@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030507183839.21780.qmail@web12201.mail.yahoo.com>

That is:

Explorer Version 5.2.1 (4717) for Mac
Encryption:128 bit
User Agent: Mozillor/4.0 (compatible: MSIE 5.21; Mac_PowerPc)

is it ok?

thanks!


--- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> what browser (name and version) are you using... please don't
> say NS4 :) 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 10:59 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine
> Downloads
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Gary,
> > 
> > I still can't open it on the Mac. I can open this in windows
> > with no problem. It still gives me a url in eMac, it doesn't
> > give me the "downloaded.csv".
> > Please advise!
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> > > this worked for me...
> > > 
> > >     header("Pragma: ");
> > >     header("Cache-Control: ");
> > >     header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT");
> > >     header("Last-Modified: " . gmdate("D, d M Y H:i:s") .
> "
> > > GMT");
> > >     header("Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache,
> > > must-revalidate");
> > >     header("Cache-Control: post-check=0, pre-check=0",
> false);
> > >     header("Content-type:
> > > application/csv-tab-delimited-table;");
> > >     header("Content-Disposition: attachment;
> > > filename=downloaded.csv");
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 9:03 AM
> > > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine
> Downloads
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > 
> > > > I got a very interesting question. When I try to use PHP
> to
> > > > produce a dowload file, I usually use header, like this:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > header("Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel;
> > > > charset=$dest_charset");
> > > > print(" " . $content); 
> > > > 
> > > > I print the very long string out with a specfic header
> > > > information.
> > > > 
> > > > This code works fine on windows, linux machines, but it
> > > doesn't
> > > > work for Mac. Mac will download an url instead of a
> excel
> > > file.
> > > > the above code, will give me aa abc.xls file on windows
> and
> > > > linux, but will give me an url, like
> > > > this"http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212" on
> Mac,
> > > and
> > > > I can't open it!
> > > > 
> > > > This things bother me a lot, Could some one help me out:
> > > > 
> > > > 1)Do I need to configure browser on that Mac to plug in
> some
> > > > applications?
> > > > 
> > > > 2)How to change the header to let Mac to download an
> excel
> > > file
> > > > with a specified name and extension instaead of a
> > > > url(http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212)
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > __________________________________
> > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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> > 
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed May  7 14:41:17 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:41:17 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
References: <200305071818.h47IHrsN075858@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001f01c314c8$3f6b30b0$6400a8c0@INTEL17>

Another suggestion is to look or wait for ADODB
(http://php.weblogs.com/ADOdb) to support XML out of the box, there seems to
be an ongoing discussion here:

http://phplens.com/lens/lensforum/msgs.php?id=3430

- Jon

> though, but I can categorize).  Unfortunately, Xindice does not have a PHP
> client for their API.  I need to figure out something for this.
>



From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Wed May  7 14:13:01 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 14:13:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D3D@USA1370MS1>

My workload as a webmaster droped by 50% the day I decided to forget about
NS4 :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:10 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads


what browser (name and version) are you using... please don't say NS4 :) 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 10:59 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
> 
> 
> Hi Gary,
> 
> I still can't open it on the Mac. I can open this in windows
> with no problem. It still gives me a url in eMac, it doesn't
> give me the "downloaded.csv".
> Please advise!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> > this worked for me...
> > 
> >     header("Pragma: ");
> >     header("Cache-Control: ");
> >     header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT");
> >     header("Last-Modified: " . gmdate("D, d M Y H:i:s") . "
> > GMT");
> >     header("Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache,
> > must-revalidate");
> >     header("Cache-Control: post-check=0, pre-check=0", false);
> >     header("Content-type:
> > application/csv-tab-delimited-table;");
> >     header("Content-Disposition: attachment;
> > filename=downloaded.csv");
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 9:03 AM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Folks,
> > > 
> > > I got a very interesting question. When I try to use PHP to
> > > produce a dowload file, I usually use header, like this:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > header("Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel;
> > > charset=$dest_charset");
> > > print(" " . $content); 
> > > 
> > > I print the very long string out with a specfic header
> > > information.
> > > 
> > > This code works fine on windows, linux machines, but it
> > doesn't
> > > work for Mac. Mac will download an url instead of a excel
> > file.
> > > the above code, will give me aa abc.xls file on windows and
> > > linux, but will give me an url, like
> > > this"http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212" on Mac,
> > and
> > > I can't open it!
> > > 
> > > This things bother me a lot, Could some one help me out:
> > > 
> > > 1)Do I need to configure browser on that Mac to plug in some
> > > applications?
> > > 
> > > 2)How to change the header to let Mac to download an excel
> > file
> > > with a specified name and extension instaead of a
> > > url(http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212)
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your help!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > __________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > > http://search.yahoo.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> __________________________________
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> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Wed May  7 14:46:36 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:46:36 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D0A@pcsnet>

ly,

after a bit of googling around "ie for mac" i find that this problem
(dynamic file download) seems to be pervasive. 

phpbuilder.com suggests exhorting mac end-users to switch to netscape 6+...
or emailing a fix/bug suggestion to the m$ ie for mac team (talk about
swimming upstream!).

i'll keep an eye out for work arounds.

gary 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 11:39 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
> 
> 
> That is:
> 
> Explorer Version 5.2.1 (4717) for Mac
> Encryption:128 bit
> User Agent: Mozillor/4.0 (compatible: MSIE 5.21; Mac_PowerPc)
> 
> is it ok?
> 
> thanks!
> 
> 
> --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> > what browser (name and version) are you using... please don't
> > say NS4 :) 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 10:59 AM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine
> > Downloads
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hi Gary,
> > > 
> > > I still can't open it on the Mac. I can open this in windows
> > > with no problem. It still gives me a url in eMac, it doesn't
> > > give me the "downloaded.csv".
> > > Please advise!
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > 
> > > --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> > > > this worked for me...
> > > > 
> > > >     header("Pragma: ");
> > > >     header("Cache-Control: ");
> > > >     header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT");
> > > >     header("Last-Modified: " . gmdate("D, d M Y H:i:s") .
> > "
> > > > GMT");
> > > >     header("Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache,
> > > > must-revalidate");
> > > >     header("Cache-Control: post-check=0, pre-check=0",
> > false);
> > > >     header("Content-type:
> > > > application/csv-tab-delimited-table;");
> > > >     header("Content-Disposition: attachment;
> > > > filename=downloaded.csv");
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 9:03 AM
> > > > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > > > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine
> > Downloads
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I got a very interesting question. When I try to use PHP
> > to
> > > > > produce a dowload file, I usually use header, like this:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > header("Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel;
> > > > > charset=$dest_charset");
> > > > > print(" " . $content); 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I print the very long string out with a specfic header
> > > > > information.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This code works fine on windows, linux machines, but it
> > > > doesn't
> > > > > work for Mac. Mac will download an url instead of a
> > excel
> > > > file.
> > > > > the above code, will give me aa abc.xls file on windows
> > and
> > > > > linux, but will give me an url, like
> > > > > this"http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212" on
> > Mac,
> > > > and
> > > > > I can't open it!
> > > > > 
> > > > > This things bother me a lot, Could some one help me out:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 1)Do I need to configure browser on that Mac to plug in
> > some
> > > > > applications?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 2)How to change the header to let Mac to download an
> > excel
> > > > file
> > > > > with a specified name and extension instaead of a
> > > > > url(http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > __________________________________
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From chalu at egenius.com  Wed May  7 14:45:47 2003
From: chalu at egenius.com (Chalu Kim)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:45:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
In-Reply-To: <200305071818.h47IHrpl075858@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305071818.h47IHrpl075858@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <200305071445.47761.chalu@egenius.com>


This is the kind of stuff you need the workflow for.

I am speaking in pseudo.

For example, XML files are published. Then, somebody comes along and changes 
it. That pushes the state to say "retracted" or "changed". This event in a 
workflow system can trigger an action.

Before the state change, you could have an opportunity to execute rules.

This is not a simple arena as you need a way to define rules. There have been 
several attempts such as ZPatterns (available in Zope or Java). 

This enables you to define at the interface level as in receiving data to 
trigger actions. In ZPatterns, you can use ZPatterns language (declarative) 
to define behaviors of data reception. Unfortunately, this approach is not 
for average for it is difficult to work with. Just get into this rarefied 
Pattern language and all. 

None of XML related stuff will address workflow or aspect-oriented programming 
because XML files themselves need to remember what state they are in. 

If it is a possibility to mix and match, you can publish XML files into Zope. 
That gets you workflow. XML files will be available through web or FTP. When 
it gets changed, it can do some processing.

Good luck


On Wednesday 07 May 2003 02:17 pm, Larry Chuon wrote:
> Hi Anirudh,
>
> Long time no hear.  Thank you and everyone at NYPHP <mailto:everyone at NYPHP>
> for the solution.  I learn a great deal in the last day and half.  As Chalu
> had noted, I need to rethink through the solution again.  Pumping out
> nearly a million XML files is not the best practice.  Last night, I
> accepted Gary Malcolm's invitation to look at Xindice.  Xindice uses Xpath
> and Xupdate, it addresses some of my concerns (not certain how many records
> it can support though, but I can categorize).  Unfortunately, Xindice does
> not have a PHP client for their API.  I need to figure out something for
> this.
>
> Your sample codes resolve my large volume of files should I ever need to
> spit out more XML files.
>
> Now, I have a whole new set of problems.  Lets say, I need to share data
> with some companies.  The XML files get changed and must be updated on my
> system or their system depending on who is/are the recipient(s) of the
> changes.  Since I have nearly a million records, how do I keep track of
> changes?  Importing everything back into Xindice or whatever repository in
> a multiple of X times will generate a lot unnecessary traffic.  On the
> other hand, updating only the changes will require a lot of tracking
> (timestamp) as well.  Finally, giving appropriate hook to the partners will
> require an extensive predefined business rules (I don't know it all and I
> don't assume to know my partners/users business workflow either) and some
> sort of version control for rollback and approval process similarly to CMS.
>  Thought anybody?
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions guys.
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anirudh Zala [mailto:anirudh at aumcomputers.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:17 AM
> To: talk at nyphp.org
> Cc: LarryC at indexstock.com
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>
> Larry
>
> Let's have look about your problems 1 by 1
>
> 1: Problem of storing and accessing large volume of files in 1 container
> directory.
>
> A: In such cases splitted directory structure solution is best like what
> "Rick Seeger" has suggested. Hence you can design a special directory
> structure that can generate new directory as and when total amout of files
> execeeds the limit say... 100 files per directory. Below sample function
> does that (it generate new directory as soon as "id" exceeds value 100)
>
> // CRATES A DIRECTORY ACCORDING TO GIVEN ID AND PARENT DIR PATH
> function createDir($id,$parent)
> {
>     $nd_dirlimit = 100;
>
>     $mod = ceil($id/$nd_dirlimit) - 1;
>
>     $dirs = $mod * $nd_dirlimit + 1;
>     $dire = $dirs + $nd_dirlimit - 1;
>
>     $tempDir = $dirs."_".$dire;
>
>     if(! file_exists("$parent/$tempDir"))
>           mkdir("$parent/$tempDir",0777);
>
>     return "$tempDir";
> }
> By above method dirctory structure will be like ../1_100/, ../101_200/,
> ./201_300/ and in each directory file name with id say "1.xml" to "100.xml"
> (or with any name) will reside. Once above directory structure is
> implemented no script will crawl like now :D.
>
> 2: Importing Data into DB by parsing XML files
>
> A: Use php's file "XPath.class.php" this is very nice OO file to parse XML
> documents at greater speed. It has lot of easy to use method and properties
> like $xml->evaluate, $xml->setAttributes, $xml->appendChild,
> $xml->removeAttribute, $xml->exportToFile etc...by which you can parse lot
> of XML documents like playing Zigsaw puzzles. It is very handy, class based
> php file. Check example at
> http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~sa386/php/XPath_V2/testBench/useCases/
> <http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~sa386/php/XPath_V2/testBench/useCases/>
>
> Some times it is useful to use Utilities of Perl and executing your
> perl/cgi scripts from console level. This very fastest and reliable method
> IF such doucmens are to be generated, read or write in batch mode. Perl's
> XML::DOM package helps here. Other advantage of such mechanism is that you
> can run such scripts seperately from other servers that has connection with
> your DB server, hence reduction of overhaed on your main server that has
> php scripts running.
>
> Another method is XSQL that is powerful but still new to us and PHP, where
> your DB SQL is written directly into XML file that syncronises (update your
> XML document from DB by executing XSQL) your XML and DB from 2 ways. (Can't
> tell much here :( )
>
> 3: Is there another way to index and query large volumes of documents?
>
> A: I am not getting here exactly your problem, But if you need faster
> document access from directory or file system (serching 1 file from million
> files) then answer of 1 st question can help here where you just need to
> search particular document from 100 files from documnet diretory, already
> given from DB.
>
> And if question is related to Data then use of indexes (Indexing commonly
> used fields in Db like primary keys and foreigh keys) in mysql can make
> "Access of record" faster.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anirudh Zala ( azala at lechuon.com <mailto:azala at lechuon.com> )
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>- --------------------------
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Chuon" <  <mailto:LarryC at indexstock.com>
> LarryC at indexstock.com> To: "NYPHP Talk" <  <mailto:talk at nyphp.org>
> talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 4:01 AM
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>
> > Thank you all for your quick responses.  I'll consider generating XML on
>
> the
>
> > fly (still new at this).  Here's another question.  Besides importing the
> > files to dB, is there another way to index and query large volumes of
> > documents.  I'm going out of tangent a bit here.  Let say, I'm archiving
> > tons of document for a public library.  They want to scan and digitize
> > millions of articles.  What is the best way to index and search for
>
> articles
>
> > say by keywords or captions?
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:53 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> >
> >  <http://www.phpwebhosting.com/> http://www.phpwebhosting.com/
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> >
> > cheap hosting... cheap db access... i love (hearts in eyes) mysql
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:  <mailto:soazine at pop.erols.com> soazine at pop.erols.com
>
> [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 2:41 PM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> > >
> > >
> > > Importing the XML files into a database is an ideal solution,
> > > unfortunately, not always an available one, such as in my
> > > case.  I have
> > > space on a remote server where database access is very
> > > expensive (it's my
> > > own site and out of my price range to afford db access), so I have to
> > > resort to XML as well.  PHP parses XML extremely fast and
> > > efficiently; I
> > > highly recommend it.
> > >
> > > I'd use PHP's available XML parsers along with grouping them into
> > > directories sorted by a date or some other delimiter to allow
> > > for smaller
> > > amount of files per directory.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > Original Message:
> > > -----------------
> > > From: Analysis & Solutions  <mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
>
> danielc at analysisandsolutions.com
>
> > > Date: Tue,  6 May 2003 17:35:16 -0400
> > > To:  <mailto:talk at nyphp.org> talk at nyphp.org
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:49:21PM -0400, Larry Chuon wrote:
> > > > I'm doing everything that you mention below.
> > >
> > > So, import the files into a database and get rid of the XML files.
> > >
> > > Here's a quick tutorial on how to parse XML in PHP:
> > >    http:www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/phpxml.htm
> > >
> > > Enjoy,
> > >
> > > --Dan
> > >
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From alexander_chan at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 14:51:04 2003
From: alexander_chan at yahoo.com (Alexander Chan)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:51:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: session warnings
Message-ID: <20030507185104.80830.qmail@web11601.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everybody,

I am trying to write a small web application with
sessions.  I get a warnings when i try to reload a
page.
the warnings are the following.
-----
Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]:
read returned less bytes than requested in
/home/httpd/htdocs/blog/admin/index.php on line 1

Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]:
Cannot send session cache limiter - headers already
sent (output started at
/home/httpd/htdocs/blog/admin/index.php:1) in
/home/httpd/htdocs/blog/admin/index.php on line 1
------

what would be giving this warning?

Thanks for the help,
Alexander Chan


From agfische at email.smith.edu  Wed May  7 14:52:43 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:52:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
In-Reply-To: <200305071846.h47IkPpx078630@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <162D0CCE-80BD-11D7-A2FC-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

Cheers to that, same here!

Aaron

On Wednesday, May 7, 2003, at 14:46 US/Eastern, Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo 
wrote:

> My workload as a webmaster droped by 50% the day I decided to forget 
> about
> NS4 :-)



From heli_travel at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 14:57:42 2003
From: heli_travel at yahoo.com (LY)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 11:57:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine Downloads
In-Reply-To: <200305071848.h47Il90Z079205@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030507185742.66411.qmail@web12202.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for your help! but it can't be opened by TextEdit after
save, If there is no way to open it by Spredsheet, I will
suggest them to open those reports by TextEdit, or windows PC.
Thanks again!!!

--- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> ly,
> 
> after a bit of googling around "ie for mac" i find that this
> problem
> (dynamic file download) seems to be pervasive. 
> 
> phpbuilder.com suggests exhorting mac end-users to switch to
> netscape 6+...
> or emailing a fix/bug suggestion to the m$ ie for mac team
> (talk about
> swimming upstream!).
> 
> i'll keep an eye out for work arounds.
> 
> gary 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 11:39 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine
> Downloads
> > 
> > 
> > That is:
> > 
> > Explorer Version 5.2.1 (4717) for Mac
> > Encryption:128 bit
> > User Agent: Mozillor/4.0 (compatible: MSIE 5.21;
> Mac_PowerPc)
> > 
> > is it ok?
> > 
> > thanks!
> > 
> > 
> > --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> > > what browser (name and version) are you using... please
> don't
> > > say NS4 :) 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 10:59 AM
> > > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine
> > > Downloads
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Gary,
> > > > 
> > > > I still can't open it on the Mac. I can open this in
> windows
> > > > with no problem. It still gives me a url in eMac, it
> doesn't
> > > > give me the "downloaded.csv".
> > > > Please advise!
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > this worked for me...
> > > > > 
> > > > >     header("Pragma: ");
> > > > >     header("Cache-Control: ");
> > > > >     header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT");
> > > > >     header("Last-Modified: " . gmdate("D, d M Y
> H:i:s") .
> > > "
> > > > > GMT");
> > > > >     header("Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache,
> > > > > must-revalidate");
> > > > >     header("Cache-Control: post-check=0, pre-check=0",
> > > false);
> > > > >     header("Content-type:
> > > > > application/csv-tab-delimited-table;");
> > > > >     header("Content-Disposition: attachment;
> > > > > filename=downloaded.csv");
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 9:03 AM
> > > > > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > > > > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine
> > > Downloads
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I got a very interesting question. When I try to use
> PHP
> > > to
> > > > > > produce a dowload file, I usually use header, like
> this:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > header("Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel;
> > > > > > charset=$dest_charset");
> > > > > > print(" " . $content); 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I print the very long string out with a specfic
> header
> > > > > > information.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This code works fine on windows, linux machines, but
> it
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > work for Mac. Mac will download an url instead of a
> > > excel
> > > > > file.
> > > > > > the above code, will give me aa abc.xls file on
> windows
> > > and
> > > > > > linux, but will give me an url, like
> > > > > > this"http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212"
> on
> > > Mac,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > I can't open it!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This things bother me a lot, Could some one help me
> out:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 1)Do I need to configure browser on that Mac to plug
> in
> > > some
> > > > > > applications?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 2)How to change the header to let Mac to download an
> > > excel
> > > > > file
> > > > > > with a specified name and extension instaead of a
> > > > > > url(http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > __________________________________
> > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > > > > > http://search.yahoo.com
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > __________________________________
> > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > > > http://search.yahoo.com
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > http://search.yahoo.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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From LarryC at indexstock.com  Wed May  7 14:59:45 2003
From: LarryC at indexstock.com (Larry Chuon)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:59:45 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
Message-ID: <86713EAB93BD5F40B94A0C8E604C7C91AEC0A4@index-exchange.indexstock.com>

Chalu,
Unfortunately OSSuite is a LAMP based product, not Python.  It is missing
CMS/workflow engine.  You and I have worked with Zope for a while.  We
understand the importance behind workflow.  Hopefully, my team can
re-architect a framework that will incorporate a workflow engine for
OSSuite.  We are writing a spec for that as we speak. I just want to add XML
into the mix.  Anirudh and I chatted about this awhile back.  I think it is
time to take a closer look at XML and other best of breed technology.
Whatever we come up with, resource is still an issue.  Hopefully, some of
you can help us out.  Anybody?


-----Original Message-----
From: Chalu Kim [mailto:chalu at egenius.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:46 PM
To: talk at nyphp.org; Larry Chuon
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files


This is the kind of stuff you need the workflow for.

I am speaking in pseudo.

For example, XML files are published. Then, somebody comes along and changes
it. That pushes the state to say "retracted" or "changed". This event in a
workflow system can trigger an action.

Before the state change, you could have an opportunity to execute rules.

This is not a simple arena as you need a way to define rules. There have
been
several attempts such as ZPatterns (available in Zope or Java).

This enables you to define at the interface level as in receiving data to
trigger actions. In ZPatterns, you can use ZPatterns language (declarative)
to define behaviors of data reception. Unfortunately, this approach is not
for average for it is difficult to work with. Just get into this rarefied
Pattern language and all.

None of XML related stuff will address workflow or aspect-oriented
programming
because XML files themselves need to remember what state they are in.

If it is a possibility to mix and match, you can publish XML files into
Zope.
That gets you workflow. XML files will be available through web or FTP. When
it gets changed, it can do some processing.

Good luck


On Wednesday 07 May 2003 02:17 pm, Larry Chuon wrote:
> Hi Anirudh,
>
> Long time no hear.  Thank you and everyone at NYPHP <mailto:everyone at NYPHP>
> for the solution.  I learn a great deal in the last day and half.  As
Chalu
> had noted, I need to rethink through the solution again.  Pumping out
> nearly a million XML files is not the best practice.  Last night, I
> accepted Gary Malcolm's invitation to look at Xindice.  Xindice uses Xpath
> and Xupdate, it addresses some of my concerns (not certain how many
records
> it can support though, but I can categorize).  Unfortunately, Xindice does
> not have a PHP client for their API.  I need to figure out something for
> this.
>
> Your sample codes resolve my large volume of files should I ever need to
> spit out more XML files.
>
> Now, I have a whole new set of problems.  Lets say, I need to share data
> with some companies.  The XML files get changed and must be updated on my
> system or their system depending on who is/are the recipient(s) of the
> changes.  Since I have nearly a million records, how do I keep track of
> changes?  Importing everything back into Xindice or whatever repository in
> a multiple of X times will generate a lot unnecessary traffic.  On the
> other hand, updating only the changes will require a lot of tracking
> (timestamp) as well.  Finally, giving appropriate hook to the partners
will
> require an extensive predefined business rules (I don't know it all and I
> don't assume to know my partners/users business workflow either) and some
> sort of version control for rollback and approval process similarly to
CMS.
>  Thought anybody?
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions guys.
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anirudh Zala [mailto:anirudh at aumcomputers.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:17 AM
> To: talk at nyphp.org
> Cc: LarryC at indexstock.com
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>
> Larry
>
> Let's have look about your problems 1 by 1
>
> 1: Problem of storing and accessing large volume of files in 1 container
> directory.
>
> A: In such cases splitted directory structure solution is best like what
> "Rick Seeger" has suggested. Hence you can design a special directory
> structure that can generate new directory as and when total amout of files
> execeeds the limit say... 100 files per directory. Below sample function
> does that (it generate new directory as soon as "id" exceeds value 100)
>
> // CRATES A DIRECTORY ACCORDING TO GIVEN ID AND PARENT DIR PATH
> function createDir($id,$parent)
> {
>     $nd_dirlimit = 100;
>
>     $mod = ceil($id/$nd_dirlimit) - 1;
>
>     $dirs = $mod * $nd_dirlimit + 1;
>     $dire = $dirs + $nd_dirlimit - 1;
>
>     $tempDir = $dirs."_".$dire;
>
>     if(! file_exists("$parent/$tempDir"))
>           mkdir("$parent/$tempDir",0777);
>
>     return "$tempDir";
> }
> By above method dirctory structure will be like ../1_100/, ../101_200/,
> ./201_300/ and in each directory file name with id say "1.xml" to
"100.xml"
> (or with any name) will reside. Once above directory structure is
> implemented no script will crawl like now :D.
>
> 2: Importing Data into DB by parsing XML files
>
> A: Use php's file "XPath.class.php" this is very nice OO file to parse XML
> documents at greater speed. It has lot of easy to use method and
properties
> like $xml->evaluate, $xml->setAttributes, $xml->appendChild,
> $xml->removeAttribute, $xml->exportToFile etc...by which you can parse lot
> of XML documents like playing Zigsaw puzzles. It is very handy, class
based
> php file. Check example at
> http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~sa386/php/XPath_V2/testBench/useCases/
> <http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~sa386/php/XPath_V2/testBench/useCases/>
>
> Some times it is useful to use Utilities of Perl and executing your
> perl/cgi scripts from console level. This very fastest and reliable method
> IF such doucmens are to be generated, read or write in batch mode. Perl's
> XML::DOM package helps here. Other advantage of such mechanism is that you
> can run such scripts seperately from other servers that has connection
with
> your DB server, hence reduction of overhaed on your main server that has
> php scripts running.
>
> Another method is XSQL that is powerful but still new to us and PHP, where
> your DB SQL is written directly into XML file that syncronises (update
your
> XML document from DB by executing XSQL) your XML and DB from 2 ways.
(Can't
> tell much here :( )
>
> 3: Is there another way to index and query large volumes of documents?
>
> A: I am not getting here exactly your problem, But if you need faster
> document access from directory or file system (serching 1 file from
million
> files) then answer of 1 st question can help here where you just need to
> search particular document from 100 files from documnet diretory, already
> given from DB.
>
> And if question is related to Data then use of indexes (Indexing commonly
> used fields in Db like primary keys and foreigh keys) in mysql can make
> "Access of record" faster.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anirudh Zala ( azala at lechuon.com <mailto:azala at lechuon.com> )
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Chuon" <  <mailto:LarryC at indexstock.com>
> LarryC at indexstock.com> To: "NYPHP Talk" <  <mailto:talk at nyphp.org>
> talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 4:01 AM
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>
> > Thank you all for your quick responses.  I'll consider generating XML on
>
> the
>
> > fly (still new at this).  Here's another question.  Besides importing
the
> > files to dB, is there another way to index and query large volumes of
> > documents.  I'm going out of tangent a bit here.  Let say, I'm archiving
> > tons of document for a public library.  They want to scan and digitize
> > millions of articles.  What is the best way to index and search for
>
> articles
>
> > say by keywords or captions?
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:53 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> >
> >  <http://www.phpwebhosting.com/> http://www.phpwebhosting.com/
> >  <http://phphosts.codewalkers.com> http://phphosts.codewalkers.com
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> >  <http://www.free-php-hosting.com> www.free-php-hosting.com
> >
> > cheap hosting... cheap db access... i love (hearts in eyes) mysql
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:  <mailto:soazine at pop.erols.com> soazine at pop.erols.com
>
> [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 2:41 PM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> > >
> > >
> > > Importing the XML files into a database is an ideal solution,
> > > unfortunately, not always an available one, such as in my
> > > case.  I have
> > > space on a remote server where database access is very
> > > expensive (it's my
> > > own site and out of my price range to afford db access), so I have to
> > > resort to XML as well.  PHP parses XML extremely fast and
> > > efficiently; I
> > > highly recommend it.
> > >
> > > I'd use PHP's available XML parsers along with grouping them into
> > > directories sorted by a date or some other delimiter to allow
> > > for smaller
> > > amount of files per directory.
> > >
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > Original Message:
> > > -----------------
> > > From: Analysis & Solutions  <mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
>
> danielc at analysisandsolutions.com
>
> > > Date: Tue,  6 May 2003 17:35:16 -0400
> > > To:  <mailto:talk at nyphp.org> talk at nyphp.org
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:49:21PM -0400, Larry Chuon wrote:
> > > > I'm doing everything that you mention below.
> > >
> > > So, import the files into a database and get rid of the XML files.
> > >
> > > Here's a quick tutorial on how to parse XML in PHP:
> > >    http:www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/phpxml.htm
> > >
> > > Enjoy,
> > >
> > > --Dan
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Wed May  7 15:04:35 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:04:35 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] session warnings
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D0B@pcsnet>

my guess w/o the code is that there is a blank space in you script b4 the
<?php tag (this starts browser output so and session_start needs to be b4
any output)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Chan [mailto:alexander_chan at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 11:51 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] session warnings
> 
> 
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I am trying to write a small web application with
> sessions.  I get a warnings when i try to reload a
> page.
> the warnings are the following.
> -----
> Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]:
> read returned less bytes than requested in
> /home/httpd/htdocs/blog/admin/index.php on line 1
> 
> Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]:
> Cannot send session cache limiter - headers already
> sent (output started at
> /home/httpd/htdocs/blog/admin/index.php:1) in
> /home/httpd/htdocs/blog/admin/index.php on line 1
> ------
> 
> what would be giving this warning?
> 
> Thanks for the help,
> Alexander Chan
> 
> 
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From alexander_chan at yahoo.com  Wed May  7 15:28:03 2003
From: alexander_chan at yahoo.com (Alexander Chan)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:28:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] session warnings
In-Reply-To: <200305071905.h47J560X084300@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030507192803.43061.qmail@web11603.mail.yahoo.com>

my first line was 
<?php session_start();?>

--- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com>
wrote:
> my guess w/o the code is that there is a blank space
> in you script b4 the
> <?php tag (this starts browser output so and
> session_start needs to be b4
> any output)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alexander Chan
> [mailto:alexander_chan at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 11:51 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] session warnings
> > 
> > 
> > Hi everybody,
> > 
> > I am trying to write a small web application with
> > sessions.  I get a warnings when i try to reload a
> > page.
> > the warnings are the following.
> > -----
> > Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]:
> > read returned less bytes than requested in
> > /home/httpd/htdocs/blog/admin/index.php on line 1
> > 
> > Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]:
> > Cannot send session cache limiter - headers
> already
> > sent (output started at
> > /home/httpd/htdocs/blog/admin/index.php:1) in
> > /home/httpd/htdocs/blog/admin/index.php on line 1
> > ------
> > 
> > what would be giving this warning?
> > 
> > Thanks for the help,
> > Alexander Chan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From anthony at emr.net  Wed May  7 15:32:00 2003
From: anthony at emr.net (Anthony Tanzola)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 12:32:00 -0700
Subject: Global settings in PHP
Message-ID: <FOEEICMBOEKAAJBJHNMIKEPDDJAA.anthony@emr.net>

Hey List!

I am somewhat new to php, though not to web development.  I am attempting to
send information from a web form to a php document.  I then want to create
session variables and have the ability to manipulate the session variables
as needed.

The book I have use examples throughout that require the following setting
in the php.ini file:

register_globals = On

This elevates the need for $_POST["my_posted_data"] when retrieving posted
data.

Also it allows me to register session variables as such:

session_register("variable_1", "variable_2", "variable_3", "variable_4",
"variable_5", "variable_6")

as well as do other things with sessions.

I am wondering what the pros and cons are of setting globals to "on".  It
seams to be a convenience, but are there any downsides or security issues?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Anthony Tanzola
EMR Data Services
Phone: 623.581.2875
Fax: 623.582.5499
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From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Wed May  7 15:45:49 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 15:45:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Global settings in PHP
In-Reply-To: <200305071930.h47JTZvn086088@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305071930.h47JTZvn086088@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <25964-34928@sneakemail.com>

Hi Anthony,

Though convenient, global vars are more or less a no-no; security is the 
major reason.
If you have code that's something like:
    if (check_login($session)) {
        $logged_in = 1;
    }
I could simply set a url like page.php?logged_in=1 and have it override 
your check.

There are usually 3 solutions to this:  initialize all your variables 
(and set error_reporting to E_ALL to be sure), turn off the ability of 
GET, POST, and cookie values to create variables, or disable 
register_globals.

The big one for me, however, is that register_globals defaults to Off in 
php as of 4.2 which means that, if you rely on them, your code will not 
be portable to other servers who have a different configurations (and 
might not be willing to bend on modifying php.ini for the reasons stated 
above).

+gadhra+



Anthony Tanzola anthony-at-emr.net |NY PHP| wrote:

>Hey List!
>
>I am somewhat new to php, though not to web development.  I am attempting to
>send information from a web form to a php document.  I then want to create
>session variables and have the ability to manipulate the session variables
>as needed.
>
>The book I have use examples throughout that require the following setting
>in the php.ini file:
>
>register_globals = On
>
>This elevates the need for $_POST["my_posted_data"] when retrieving posted
>data.
>
>Also it allows me to register session variables as such:
>
>session_register("variable_1", "variable_2", "variable_3", "variable_4",
>"variable_5", "variable_6")
>
>as well as do other things with sessions.
>
>I am wondering what the pros and cons are of setting globals to "on".  It
>seams to be a convenience, but are there any downsides or security issues?
>
>Any input would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Anthony Tanzola
>EMR Data Services
>Phone: 623.581.2875
>Fax: 623.582.5499
>anthony at emr.net
>
>
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>           A Serious Internet Experience
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

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From max at idsociety.com  Wed May  7 17:17:38 2003
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 17:17:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] session warnings
In-Reply-To: <200305071851.h47Ip6rr080957@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305071851.h47Ip6rr080957@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EB977F2.7060009@idsociety.com>

http://bugs.php.net/?id=22630

-Max


Alexander Chan wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>
> I am trying to write a small web application with
> sessions.  I get a warnings when i try to reload a
> page.
> the warnings are the following.
> -----
> Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]:
> read returned less bytes than requested in
> /home/httpd/htdocs/blog/admin/index.php on line 1
>
> Warning: session_start() [function.session-start]:
> Cannot send session cache limiter - headers already
> sent (output started at
> /home/httpd/htdocs/blog/admin/index.php:1) in
> /home/httpd/htdocs/blog/admin/index.php on line 1
> ------
>
> what would be giving this warning?
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Alexander Chan
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From hans at nyphp.org  Wed May  7 17:29:43 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:29:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Global settings in PHP
In-Reply-To: <200305071930.h47JTZu7086088@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030507212943.50469.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi Anthony,

--- Anthony Tanzola <anthony at emr.net> wrote:
> Hey List!
> 
> I am somewhat new to php, though not to web development.  I am attempting
> to
> send information from a web form to a php document.  I then want to create
> session variables and have the ability to manipulate the session variables
> as needed.
> 
> The book I have use examples throughout that require the following setting
> in the php.ini file:
> 
> register_globals = On

Hark!  Burn that book!

Seriously though, I would not use that book to learn from.  register_globals
= On is a curse from the early days of PHP and needs to be eliminated, for
several reasons.

1) Security - a user can override variables in your script and cause absolute
havoc very easily.

2) Style - As I've said, register_globals has probably been the one setting
that has hurt PHP's reputation as an 'Enterprise Solution.'  Granted, I don't
know what that means either, but it's not good programming style to use it.

3) Compatibility - Modern version of PHP (since about 4.2.x I think) default
to register_globals = Off.  As such, your scripts won't work with modern
servers and any convienence you've found in using it now will be dwarfed by
future dealings with your server administrator, other developers, users and
the public in general.

4) People will laugh at you!

Sorry to be so harsh, but I feel very strongly about this one  :)

> This elevates the need for $_POST["my_posted_data"] when retrieving posted
> data.

Absolutely, and the superglobals (ie $_POST, $_GET) make it a breeze.  Just a
tip, though, unless there's a dollar sign (variable) inside the braces, use
single quotes.  $_POST['my_posted_data'] is much faster.

> Also it allows me to register session variables as such:
> 
> session_register("variable_1", "variable_2", "variable_3", "variable_4",
> "variable_5", "variable_6")
> 
> as well as do other things with sessions.
> 
> I am wondering what the pros and cons are of setting globals to "on".  It
> seams to be a convenience, but are there any downsides or security issues?

Yeah, basically all cons.  The only pro could be considered short-term
convenience, but as I mentioned, you'll end up paying for it.

H



From hans at nyphp.org  Wed May  7 17:34:12 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:34:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Job Posting/ Recruitment Package
In-Reply-To: <200305071817.h47IHCu7075277@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030507213412.226.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Mike West <mxw65 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Suggestion on AMP based Job/ Resume Posting / Recruitment type package?
> Hoping
> to post resumes, collect personal info and match jobs to jobs available.

We (NYPHP) are looking for one, too :)

So far I haven't been able to find anything nice.  Our current job board,
despite steadfast efforts by Sklar, can't offer what we'd like.  I believe
Chris is working on a better system, and this will be a continuing Open
Source project of NYPHP.

Best,

H





From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Wed May  7 17:39:40 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 14:39:40 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Global settings in PHP
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D0D@pcsnet>

plus using php's myriad and fantastic array manipulation functions directly
on $_SESSION and $_POST ends up making
code very consistent and clear.

hint: extract()ing the SESSION or POST makes for less typing :)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 2:30 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Global settings in PHP
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Anthony,
> 
> --- Anthony Tanzola <anthony at emr.net> wrote:
> > Hey List!
> > 
> > I am somewhat new to php, though not to web development.  I 
> am attempting
> > to
> > send information from a web form to a php document.  I then 
> want to create
> > session variables and have the ability to manipulate the 
> session variables
> > as needed.
> > 
> > The book I have use examples throughout that require the 
> following setting
> > in the php.ini file:
> > 
> > register_globals = On
> 
> Hark!  Burn that book!
> 
> Seriously though, I would not use that book to learn from.  
> register_globals
> = On is a curse from the early days of PHP and needs to be 
> eliminated, for
> several reasons.
> 
> 1) Security - a user can override variables in your script 
> and cause absolute
> havoc very easily.
> 
> 2) Style - As I've said, register_globals has probably been 
> the one setting
> that has hurt PHP's reputation as an 'Enterprise Solution.'  
> Granted, I don't
> know what that means either, but it's not good programming 
> style to use it.
> 
> 3) Compatibility - Modern version of PHP (since about 4.2.x I 
> think) default
> to register_globals = Off.  As such, your scripts won't work 
> with modern
> servers and any convienence you've found in using it now will 
> be dwarfed by
> future dealings with your server administrator, other 
> developers, users and
> the public in general.
> 
> 4) People will laugh at you!
> 
> Sorry to be so harsh, but I feel very strongly about this one  :)
> 
> > This elevates the need for $_POST["my_posted_data"] when 
> retrieving posted
> > data.
> 
> Absolutely, and the superglobals (ie $_POST, $_GET) make it a 
> breeze.  Just a
> tip, though, unless there's a dollar sign (variable) inside 
> the braces, use
> single quotes.  $_POST['my_posted_data'] is much faster.
> 
> > Also it allows me to register session variables as such:
> > 
> > session_register("variable_1", "variable_2", "variable_3", 
> "variable_4",
> > "variable_5", "variable_6")
> > 
> > as well as do other things with sessions.
> > 
> > I am wondering what the pros and cons are of setting 
> globals to "on".  It
> > seams to be a convenience, but are there any downsides or 
> security issues?
> 
> Yeah, basically all cons.  The only pro could be considered short-term
> convenience, but as I mentioned, you'll end up paying for it.
> 
> H
> 
> 
> 
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From danielk at us.ibm.com  Wed May  7 17:40:37 2003
From: danielk at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 17:40:37 -0400
Subject: PHP to local Lotus Notes database.
Message-ID: <OF5B3DB792.981F4798-ON85256D1F.00743FA5-85256D1F.0076E892@us.ibm.com>





Greetings,

Have any of you had any success using the Lotus Notes functions that have
been in PHP since version 4.0.5 (http://php.net/manual/en/ref.notes.php)?

They're still classified as experimental - probably because the sockets
interface is also experimental - and have little to no documentation in
either the manual or the web in general.   In particular I'd like to know
if there are any compile time flags or platform specific gotchas to be
aware of.

My immediate goal is to connect from an AMP installation on Windows 2000 to
an unencrypted local Notes database, and would eventually like to connect
from a LAMP installation to Domino if possible.

Thanks in advance for any help,
-Dan







Daniel Krook
Web Developer, Creative Services, ibm.com
Tel: (212) 745-7817  Tieline: 243-7817
E-Mail: danielk at us.ibm.com



From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Wed May  7 18:55:32 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 18:55:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Global settings in PHP
In-Reply-To: <200305072131.h47LTkx3090246@parsec.nyphp.org>; from hans@nyphp.org on Wed, May 07, 2003 at 05:29:46PM -0400
References: <200305072131.h47LTkx3090246@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030507185532.D21253@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

On 2003-05-07 17:29 -0400, Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org> wrote:

> > This elevates the need for $_POST["my_posted_data"] when retrieving posted
> > data.
> 
> Absolutely, and the superglobals (ie $_POST, $_GET) make it a breeze.  Just a
> tip, though, unless there's a dollar sign (variable) inside the braces, use
> single quotes.  $_POST['my_posted_data'] is much faster.

Never heard that before.  Why is that?
-c

-- 
cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo

Some men are discovered; others are found out.


From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Wed May  7 18:57:32 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 15:57:32 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Global settings in PHP
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D0F@pcsnet>

php doesn't parse for vars inside single quotes... but the speed gain is
SUPER minimal unless your parsing a big string...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher R. Merlo [mailto:cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 3:56 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Global settings in PHP
> 
> 
> On 2003-05-07 17:29 -0400, Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org> wrote:
> 
> > > This elevates the need for $_POST["my_posted_data"] when 
> retrieving posted
> > > data.
> > 
> > Absolutely, and the superglobals (ie $_POST, $_GET) make it 
> a breeze.  Just a
> > tip, though, unless there's a dollar sign (variable) inside 
> the braces, use
> > single quotes.  $_POST['my_posted_data'] is much faster.
> 
> Never heard that before.  Why is that?
> -c
> 
> -- 
> cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        
> http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo
> 
> Some men are discovered; others are found out.
> 
> 
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From psaw at pswebcode.com  Wed May  7 23:27:23 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 23:27:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] needed web programming tutor for 10 year old
In-Reply-To: <200305071407.h47E6TvF059345@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000401c31511$be6938a0$4cbdfea9@bronco>

If you are still looking, I could help out here.

Briefly, I have been a webmaster, senior developer and 
a desktop graphics specialist. I have tutored new users 
on software such as Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark, 
and PowerPoint.

I have been told I am an excellent teacher. I prepare a 
learning plan, provide tip sheets and teach shortcuts 
and optimized techniques right up front.

I have 7 years of web programming and design experience.

Today, I actively program PHP, SQL, XML, JavaScript, CSS 
and XHTML.

I maintain a website that has tutorials, research and 
links on web topics. Contact me, if you would like to 
discuss this further.

Warmest regards,

Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
PSWebcode -- opensource programming 
for the interactive web
psaw at pswebcode.com
www.pswebcode.com
718.543.3240  

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackson Maio [mailto:jackson at identitymap.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:06 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] needed web programming tutor for 10 year old


This is definitely an unusual request.

A friend's friend has a 10 year old who would like to learn web
programming for this summer.

If someone who would like to take up this challenge. Tutoring would
probably take 2-3 hours per session, 2-3 times a week during weekdays.
Teaching time is flexible and tutoring fee is open for discussion.  If
interested, please contact Randy at projectconsultants at yahoo.com or I
can forward it to him.

About the potential student:
He has been in the States for 3 months in Long Island City, NY, and is
just beginning to adjust to the language.  He had extensive English and
computer tutoring at the Pagan school in Harbin, China but his English
is not advanced enough to be taught in standard classroom level.  He
currently attends UNIS United Nations school but has problems because
his computer skills are at a higher level than his peers but the
language is a barrier.

 
Jackson Maio



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From webapprentice at onemain.com  Wed May  7 23:47:57 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Webapprentice)
Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 23:47:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] needed web programming tutor for 10 year old
In-Reply-To: <200305080324.h483NSuL001542@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305080324.h483NSuL001542@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EB9D36D.5070802@onemain.com>

How does a candidate propose to overcome the language barrier?

pswebcode, nyc wrote:
> If you are still looking, I could help out here.
> 
> Briefly, I have been a webmaster, senior developer and 
> a desktop graphics specialist. I have tutored new users 
> on software such as Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark, 
> and PowerPoint.
> 
> I have been told I am an excellent teacher. I prepare a 
> learning plan, provide tip sheets and teach shortcuts 
> and optimized techniques right up front.
> 
> I have 7 years of web programming and design experience.
> 
> Today, I actively program PHP, SQL, XML, JavaScript, CSS 
> and XHTML.
> 
> I maintain a website that has tutorials, research and 
> links on web topics. Contact me, if you would like to 
> discuss this further.
> 
> Warmest regards,
> 
> Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
> PSWebcode -- opensource programming 
> for the interactive web
> psaw at pswebcode.com
> www.pswebcode.com
> 718.543.3240  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jackson Maio [mailto:jackson at identitymap.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:06 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] needed web programming tutor for 10 year old
> 
> 
> This is definitely an unusual request.
> 
> A friend's friend has a 10 year old who would like to learn web
> programming for this summer.
> 
> If someone who would like to take up this challenge. Tutoring would
> probably take 2-3 hours per session, 2-3 times a week during weekdays.
> Teaching time is flexible and tutoring fee is open for discussion.  If
> interested, please contact Randy at projectconsultants at yahoo.com or I
> can forward it to him.
> 
> About the potential student:
> He has been in the States for 3 months in Long Island City, NY, and is
> just beginning to adjust to the language.  He had extensive English and
> computer tutoring at the Pagan school in Harbin, China but his English
> is not advanced enough to be taught in standard classroom level.  He
> currently attends UNIS United Nations school but has problems because
> his computer skills are at a higher level than his peers but the
> language is a barrier.
> 
>  
> Jackson Maio
> 



From jackson at identitymap.com  Thu May  8 00:42:46 2003
From: jackson at identitymap.com (Jackson Maio)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 00:42:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] needed web programming tutor for 10 year old
In-Reply-To: <200305080344.h483iQrl002496@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BADF5885.9CB%jackson@identitymap.com>

on 5/7/03 11:44 PM, Webapprentice at webapprentice at onemain.com wrote:

> How does a candidate propose to overcome the language barrier?
>
 
Teaching a 10 year to do programming does test the limit of programming as a
language.  I believe the magic of programming is in action (writing a code)
and result (getting an actual response).  Common language, English, helps
but how to demonstrate that magic and have a child remember it for life is
the challenge.

If you are interested, I can refer you for further discussion.

Jackson

> pswebcode, nyc wrote:
>> If you are still looking, I could help out here.
>> 
>> Briefly, I have been a webmaster, senior developer and
>> a desktop graphics specialist. I have tutored new users
>> on software such as Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark,
>> and PowerPoint.
>> 
>> I have been told I am an excellent teacher. I prepare a
>> learning plan, provide tip sheets and teach shortcuts
>> and optimized techniques right up front.
>> 
>> I have 7 years of web programming and design experience.
>> 
>> Today, I actively program PHP, SQL, XML, JavaScript, CSS
>> and XHTML.
>> 
>> I maintain a website that has tutorials, research and
>> links on web topics. Contact me, if you would like to
>> discuss this further.
>> 
>> Warmest regards,
>> 
>> Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
>> PSWebcode -- opensource programming
>> for the interactive web
>> psaw at pswebcode.com
>> www.pswebcode.com
>> 718.543.3240  
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jackson Maio [mailto:jackson at identitymap.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:06 AM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] needed web programming tutor for 10 year old
>> 
>> 
>> This is definitely an unusual request.
>> 
>> A friend's friend has a 10 year old who would like to learn web
>> programming for this summer.
>> 
>> If someone who would like to take up this challenge. Tutoring would
>> probably take 2-3 hours per session, 2-3 times a week during weekdays.
>> Teaching time is flexible and tutoring fee is open for discussion.  If
>> interested, please contact Randy at projectconsultants at yahoo.com or I
>> can forward it to him.
>> 
>> About the potential student:
>> He has been in the States for 3 months in Long Island City, NY, and is
>> just beginning to adjust to the language.  He had extensive English and
>> computer tutoring at the Pagan school in Harbin, China but his English
>> is not advanced enough to be taught in standard classroom level.  He
>> currently attends UNIS United Nations school but has problems because
>> his computer skills are at a higher level than his peers but the
>> language is a barrier.
>> 
>> 
>> Jackson Maio
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From chris at psydeshow.org  Thu May  8 09:02:42 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:02:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Job Posting/ Recruitment Package
In-Reply-To: <200305072134.h47LYGvH091048@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305072134.h47LYGvH091048@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EBA5572.10603@psydeshow.org>

Hans Zaunere wrote:

>--- Mike West <mxw65 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Suggestion on AMP based Job/ Resume Posting / Recruitment type package?
>>Hoping
>>to post resumes, collect personal info and match jobs to jobs available.
>>    
>>
>
>We (NYPHP) are looking for one, too :)
>
>So far I haven't been able to find anything nice.  Our current job board,
>despite steadfast efforts by Sklar, can't offer what we'd like.  I believe
>Chris is working on a better system, and this will be a continuing Open
>Source project of NYPHP.
>
>Best,
>
>H
>  
>
It's true -- there is a new, extensible jobs board on the way.
I've been unexpectedly stuck in a theater running video projections for 
the last week. They let me out for food but not coding. :-(

We wrap tomorrow.

    chris.



From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Thu May  8 09:43:35 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:43:35 -0400
Subject: PHP Certification
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D4C@USA1370MS1>

Hi List,

Just wondering if there's any form of cert for PHP or AMP.  What do you
think in term or good/bad about the idea of cert in general?

Pinyo


From webapprentice at onemain.com  Thu May  8 06:57:32 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Stephen Tang)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 06:57:32 -0400 (GMT)
Subject: teaching a programming language without a spoken language
Message-ID: <3394074.1052402252545.JavaMail.nobody@statler.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

I'm the skeptic.  Please provide me with some references about how people can teach a programming language (or concept) without any other communcative medium other than the programming language itself.


-------Original Message-------
From: Jackson Maio <jackson at identitymap.com>
Sent: 05/08/03 12:42 AM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] needed web programming tutor for 10 year old

> 
> on 5/7/03 11:44 PM, Webapprentice at webapprentice at onemain.com wrote:

> How does a candidate propose to overcome the language barrier?
>
 
Teaching a 10 year to do programming does test the limit of programming as 
a
language.  I believe the magic of programming is in action (writing a
code)
and result (getting an actual response).  Common language, English, helps
but how to demonstrate that magic and have a child remember it for life is
the challenge.

If you are interested, I can refer you for further discussion.

Jackson

> pswebcode, nyc wrote:
>> If you are still looking, I could help out here.
>> 
>> Briefly, I have been a webmaster, senior developer and
>> a desktop graphics specialist. I have tutored new users
>> on software such as Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark,
>> and PowerPoint.
>> 
>> I have been told I am an excellent teacher. I prepare a
>> learning plan, provide tip sheets and teach shortcuts
>> and optimized techniques right up front.
>> 
>> I have 7 years of web programming and design experience.
>> 
>> Today, I actively program PHP, SQL, XML, JavaScript, CSS
>> and XHTML.
>> 
>> I maintain a website that has tutorials, research and
>> links on web topics. Contact me, if you would like to
>> discuss this further.
>> 
>> Warmest regards,
>> 
>> Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
>> PSWebcode -- opensource programming
>> for the interactive web
>> psaw at pswebcode.com
>> <a target=_blank href="http://www.pswebcode.com">www.pswebcode.com</a>
>> 718.543.3240  
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jackson Maio [mailto:jackson at identitymap.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:06 AM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] needed web programming tutor for 10 year old
>> 
>> 
>> This is definitely an unusual request.
>> 
>> A friend's friend has a 10 year old who would like to learn web
>> programming for this summer.
>> 
>> If someone who would like to take up this challenge. Tutoring would
>> probably take 2-3 hours per session, 2-3 times a week during weekdays.
>> Teaching time is flexible and tutoring fee is open for discussion.  If
>> interested, please contact Randy at projectconsultants at yahoo.com or I
>> can forward it to him.
>> 
>> About the potential student:
>> He has been in the States for 3 months in Long Island City, NY, and is
>> just beginning to adjust to the language.  He had extensive English and
>> computer tutoring at the Pagan school in Harbin, China but his English
>> is not advanced enough to be taught in standard classroom level.  He
>> currently attends UNIS United Nations school but has problems because
>> his computer skills are at a higher level than his peers but the
>> language is a barrier.
>> 
>> 
>> Jackson Maio
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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> 


From psaw at pswebcode.com  Thu May  8 10:05:00 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:05:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] needed web programming tutor for 10 year old
In-Reply-To: <200305080344.h483iQvD002496@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000001c3156a$d2932080$4cbdfea9@bronco>

I thought the student had basic English? 
To solve this...

My first thought is for a bilingual friend or family member 
to sit in on the sessions and translate.

Alternatively, if I prepare documentation in good simple 
clear English and save in text only format, we can 
run it through a free translation web site and probably 
get good results. 

Also, I believe that entry-level coded concepts 
in CSS, XHTML and JavaScript presented in English, can be 
made clear regardless of student native language.

Other entry-level concepts such as: 
what is the internet, 
what is a web server, 
what is an HTTP header, 
how does dynamic server-side processing work,
what is a database,
how does a browser work, 
how to insert client-side code...

...all these are made most clear with schematic-style 
illustrations, rather than lengthy descriptions.

I believe this could work out using one of the 
scenarios I have described. 

Feel free to email me at psaw at pswebcode.com if you'd 
like to discuss more.

Warmest regards,

Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
PSWebcode -- opensource programming 
for the interactive web
psaw at pswebcode.com
www.pswebcode.com
718.543.3240









-----Original Message-----
From: Webapprentice [mailto:webapprentice at onemain.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 11:44 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] needed web programming tutor for 10 year old


How does a candidate propose to overcome the language barrier?

pswebcode, nyc wrote:
> If you are still looking, I could help out here.
> 
> Briefly, I have been a webmaster, senior developer and
> a desktop graphics specialist. I have tutored new users 
> on software such as Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark, 
> and PowerPoint.
> 
> I have been told I am an excellent teacher. I prepare a
> learning plan, provide tip sheets and teach shortcuts 
> and optimized techniques right up front.
> 
> I have 7 years of web programming and design experience.
> 
> Today, I actively program PHP, SQL, XML, JavaScript, CSS
> and XHTML.
> 
> I maintain a website that has tutorials, research and
> links on web topics. Contact me, if you would like to 
> discuss this further.
> 
> Warmest regards,
> 
> Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
> PSWebcode -- opensource programming
> for the interactive web
> psaw at pswebcode.com
> www.pswebcode.com
> 718.543.3240  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jackson Maio [mailto:jackson at identitymap.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:06 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] needed web programming tutor for 10 year old
> 
> 
> This is definitely an unusual request.
> 
> A friend's friend has a 10 year old who would like to learn web 
> programming for this summer.
> 
> If someone who would like to take up this challenge. Tutoring would 
> probably take 2-3 hours per session, 2-3 times a week during weekdays.

> Teaching time is flexible and tutoring fee is open for discussion.  If

> interested, please contact Randy at projectconsultants at yahoo.com or I 
> can forward it to him.
> 
> About the potential student:
> He has been in the States for 3 months in Long Island City, NY, and is

> just beginning to adjust to the language.  He had extensive English 
> and computer tutoring at the Pagan school in Harbin, China but his 
> English is not advanced enough to be taught in standard classroom 
> level.  He currently attends UNIS United Nations school but has 
> problems because his computer skills are at a higher level than his 
> peers but the language is a barrier.
> 
>  
> Jackson Maio
> 



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From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Thu May  8 10:04:37 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:04:37 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Certification
References: <200305081344.h48DhisD014346@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000801c3156a$c405d8a0$0200000a@Pentium700>

Hi,

There is an organization based here in Colorado by the name of NACSE -
www.nacse.com

NACSE is non-profit, vendor-neutral and provides certification in many
areas such as networking, telephony, project management to name a few.
Although the name "national" appears in the name, there are NACSE
chapters in several countries including Japan, China, Singapore,
Australia, Canada... etc,

btw, NACSE did *not* pay me to say this  :)

This past year I've managed to get a LAMP training program started at a
division of a local community college here in Denver, with the
opportunity to earn a credential in Open Source venues such as [L]AMP.
We have scheduled a PHP and MySQL course for June 23 (see www.php.net).

You might shoot a quick email to Bob Kile, (cc'd) who's the Executive
Director of NACSE.

Regards,
John



----- Original Message -----
From: "Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo" <Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:43 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Certification


Hi List,

Just wondering if there's any form of cert for PHP or AMP.  What do you
think in term or good/bad about the idea of cert in general?

Pinyo


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From jemaxwell at jaymax.com  Thu May  8 11:08:49 2003
From: jemaxwell at jaymax.com (Joseph Maxwell)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 08:08:49 -0700
Subject: mod_php4, where can I find it?
Message-ID: <3EBA7300.AC0C25EA@jaymax.com>

Hello,
Platform - i386 Architecture, O/S - FreeBSD 4.x  & Server - Apache
httpd-2.0.45. Can someone direct me to an appropriate downloadable
source for the mod_php4.c module. Does not seem to be part of the Apache
dist., php.org makes copious references to it but none seems to say
where it is available from.
Thanks.
--  Joe  --



From brent at landover.com  Thu May  8 10:49:57 2003
From: brent at landover.com (Brent Baisley)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:49:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Job Posting/ Recruitment Package
In-Reply-To: <200305071817.h47IHCsX075277@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5618741E-8164-11D7-9153-0050E4C5CF70@landover.com>

I couldn't find one so I started writing one myself about two months 
ago to replace out current custom one (FileMaker). Although it is 
turning out to be quite an endeavor for one person. Kind of a groupware 
plus specialized additions. I would be interested in helping out with 
any projects out there in this arena.


On Wednesday, May 7, 2003, at 02:17 PM, Mike West wrote:

> Suggestion on AMP based Job/ Resume Posting / Recruitment type 
> package? Hoping
> to post resumes, collect personal info and match jobs to jobs 
> available.
>
> Thanks all,
> M West
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> http://search.yahoo.com
>
>
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>
>
>
-- 
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Systems Architect
Landover Associates, Inc.
Search & Advisory Services for Advanced Technology Environments
p: 212.759.6400/800.759.0577



From lush22 at winstarmail.com  Thu May  8 11:10:05 2003
From: lush22 at winstarmail.com (Jeff Knight)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:10:05 -0400
Subject: multipart mime emails
Message-ID: <2679898E-8167-11D7-80ED-000393B9FB36@winstarmail.com>

There used to be a good tutorial on zend, but I can't find it...

I HATE phpbuilder.com, but here's the skinny:
http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/kartic20000807.php3


Jeff Knight
jeff at lushmedia.com
212/213-6558 x 203
888/852-8508
LUSH media
110 W 40th St #1502
New York, NY 10018



From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Thu May  8 11:16:04 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:16:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] multipart mime emails
In-Reply-To: <200305081511.h48FA8vn019454@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305081511.h48FA8vn019454@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3872-05584@sneakemail.com>

Here's the Zend one:
http://www.zend.com/zend/spotlight/sendmimeemailpart1.php

And a class at:
http://www.zend.com/codex.php?id=103&single=1

+gadhra+(/s)



Jeff Knight lush22-at-winstarmail.com |NY PHP| wrote:

>There used to be a good tutorial on zend, but I can't find it...
>
>I HATE phpbuilder.com, but here's the skinny:
>http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/kartic20000807.php3
>
>
>Jeff Knight
>jeff at lushmedia.com
>212/213-6558 x 203
>888/852-8508
>LUSH media
>110 W 40th St #1502
>New York, NY 10018
>
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

-- 
+gadhra+(/s)
*********************
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
And seize the metropolis;
It's you it's built on




From anthony at tanzola.com  Thu May  8 11:39:27 2003
From: anthony at tanzola.com (Anthony Tanzola)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:39:27 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Global settings in PHP
In-Reply-To: <200305072131.h47LTkwR090246@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <FOEEICMBOEKAAJBJHNMIOEAKDKAA.anthony@tanzola.com>

Fortunately I am not out any money, as this book was given to me by a
coworker. (Probably after my job!)

Thanks for all the input.

Anthony

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org]
>Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:30 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Global settings in PHP
>
>
>
>Hi Anthony,
>
>--- Anthony Tanzola <anthony at emr.net> wrote:
>> Hey List!
>>
>> I am somewhat new to php, though not to web development.  I am attempting
>> to
>> send information from a web form to a php document.  I then want
>to create
>> session variables and have the ability to manipulate the session
>variables
>> as needed.
>>
>> The book I have use examples throughout that require the
>following setting
>> in the php.ini file:
>>
>> register_globals = On
>
>Hark!  Burn that book!
>
>Seriously though, I would not use that book to learn from.
>register_globals
>= On is a curse from the early days of PHP and needs to be eliminated, for
>several reasons.
>
>1) Security - a user can override variables in your script and
>cause absolute
>havoc very easily.
>
>2) Style - As I've said, register_globals has probably been the one setting
>that has hurt PHP's reputation as an 'Enterprise Solution.'
>Granted, I don't
>know what that means either, but it's not good programming style to use it.
>
>3) Compatibility - Modern version of PHP (since about 4.2.x I
>think) default
>to register_globals = Off.  As such, your scripts won't work with modern
>servers and any convienence you've found in using it now will be dwarfed by
>future dealings with your server administrator, other developers, users and
>the public in general.
>
>4) People will laugh at you!
>
>Sorry to be so harsh, but I feel very strongly about this one  :)
>
>> This elevates the need for $_POST["my_posted_data"] when
>retrieving posted
>> data.
>
>Absolutely, and the superglobals (ie $_POST, $_GET) make it a
>breeze.  Just a
>tip, though, unless there's a dollar sign (variable) inside the braces, use
>single quotes.  $_POST['my_posted_data'] is much faster.
>
>> Also it allows me to register session variables as such:
>>
>> session_register("variable_1", "variable_2", "variable_3", "variable_4",
>> "variable_5", "variable_6")
>>
>> as well as do other things with sessions.
>>
>> I am wondering what the pros and cons are of setting globals to "on".  It
>> seams to be a convenience, but are there any downsides or
>security issues?
>
>Yeah, basically all cons.  The only pro could be considered short-term
>convenience, but as I mentioned, you'll end up paying for it.
>
>H
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>



From cal at calevans.com  Thu May  8 11:42:02 2003
From: cal at calevans.com (Cal Evans)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:42:02 -0500
Subject: [PHP] mod_php4, where can I find it?
References: <3EBA7300.AC0C25EA@jaymax.com>
Message-ID: <0a0001c31578$5e8b9290$5a00a8c0@celaptop>

Joe,

go to the downloads section of php.net.  grab the tarball for your
distribution.

unpack, install.

this among other things mod_php4.c.

if you do it right, it will also install it into your apache dir so when you
rebuild apache it's there. (or you can build it for dynamic modules...but I
never do that.)

=C=

* Cal Evans
* http://www.christianperformer.com
* Stay plugged into your audience
* The measure of a programmer is not the number of lines of code he writes
but the number of lines he does not have to write.
*

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Maxwell" <jemaxwell at jaymax.com>
To: <php-general at lists.php.net>; <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:08 AM
Subject: [PHP] mod_php4, where can I find it?


> Hello,
> Platform - i386 Architecture, O/S - FreeBSD 4.x  & Server - Apache
> httpd-2.0.45. Can someone direct me to an appropriate downloadable
> source for the mod_php4.c module. Does not seem to be part of the Apache
> dist., php.org makes copious references to it but none seems to say
> where it is available from.
> Thanks.
> --  Joe  --
>
>
> --
> PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
>
>



From jemaxwell at jaymax.com  Thu May  8 12:15:08 2003
From: jemaxwell at jaymax.com (Joseph Maxwell)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 09:15:08 -0700
Subject: [PHP] mod_php4, where can I find it?
References: <3EBA7300.AC0C25EA@jaymax.com> <0a0001c31578$5e8b9290$5a00a8c0@celaptop>
Message-ID: <3EBA828B.836CE7AB@jaymax.com>

Thanks Cal,
I downloaded PHP 4.3.2RC2 from the php.net site and it is apparently not in
there. From the http://www.php.net/downloads.php site only php-4.3.1.tar.gz is
available, could it be that the latest release is incomplete, I'll go back to an
earlier release and see.
Thanks
--  Joe  --

Cal Evans wrote:

> Joe,
>
> go to the downloads section of php.net.  grab the tarball for your
> distribution.
>
> unpack, install.
>
> this among other things mod_php4.c.
>
> if you do it right, it will also install it into your apache dir so when you
> rebuild apache it's there. (or you can build it for dynamic modules...but I
> never do that.)
>
> =C=
>
> * Cal Evans
> * http://www.christianperformer.com
> * Stay plugged into your audience
> * The measure of a programmer is not the number of lines of code he writes
> but the number of lines he does not have to write.
> *
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Maxwell" <jemaxwell at jaymax.com>
> To: <php-general at lists.php.net>; <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:08 AM
> Subject: [PHP] mod_php4, where can I find it?
>
> > Hello,
> > Platform - i386 Architecture, O/S - FreeBSD 4.x  & Server - Apache
> > httpd-2.0.45. Can someone direct me to an appropriate downloadable
> > source for the mod_php4.c module. Does not seem to be part of the Apache
> > dist., php.org makes copious references to it but none seems to say
> > where it is available from.
> > Thanks.
> > --  Joe  --
> >
> >
> > --
> > PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/)
> > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
> >
> >



From ian at plusfour.org  Thu May  8 14:29:45 2003
From: ian at plusfour.org (Ian Forsyth)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 11:29:45 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
In-Reply-To: <200305071900.h47Ixnv7083296@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <0AB10EB8-8183-11D7-A904-003065778656@plusfour.org>

SOAP SERVER.

set up a class to handle the specific db requests. set up the soap  
server.. (there is a soap server available via pear). the client can  
make request to your server via http, or https using a soap api for  
their language.

http://developer.apple.com/internet/webservices/soapphp.html

On Wednesday, May 7, 2003, at 11:59 AM, Larry Chuon wrote:

> Chalu,
> Unfortunately OSSuite is a LAMP based product, not Python.  It is  
> missing
> CMS/workflow engine.  You and I have worked with Zope for a while.  We
> understand the importance behind workflow.  Hopefully, my team can
> re-architect a framework that will incorporate a workflow engine for
> OSSuite.  We are writing a spec for that as we speak. I just want to  
> add XML
> into the mix.  Anirudh and I chatted about this awhile back.  I think  
> it is
> time to take a closer look at XML and other best of breed technology.
> Whatever we come up with, resource is still an issue.  Hopefully, some  
> of
> you can help us out.  Anybody?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chalu Kim [mailto:chalu at egenius.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:46 PM
> To: talk at nyphp.org; Larry Chuon
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>
>
> This is the kind of stuff you need the workflow for.
>
> I am speaking in pseudo.
>
> For example, XML files are published. Then, somebody comes along and  
> changes
> it. That pushes the state to say "retracted" or "changed". This event  
> in a
> workflow system can trigger an action.
>
> Before the state change, you could have an opportunity to execute  
> rules.
>
> This is not a simple arena as you need a way to define rules. There  
> have
> been
> several attempts such as ZPatterns (available in Zope or Java).
>
> This enables you to define at the interface level as in receiving data  
> to
> trigger actions. In ZPatterns, you can use ZPatterns language  
> (declarative)
> to define behaviors of data reception. Unfortunately, this approach is  
> not
> for average for it is difficult to work with. Just get into this  
> rarefied
> Pattern language and all.
>
> None of XML related stuff will address workflow or aspect-oriented
> programming
> because XML files themselves need to remember what state they are in.
>
> If it is a possibility to mix and match, you can publish XML files into
> Zope.
> That gets you workflow. XML files will be available through web or  
> FTP. When
> it gets changed, it can do some processing.
>
> Good luck
>
>
> On Wednesday 07 May 2003 02:17 pm, Larry Chuon wrote:
>> Hi Anirudh,
>>
>> Long time no hear.  Thank you and everyone at NYPHP  
>> <mailto:everyone at NYPHP>
>> for the solution.  I learn a great deal in the last day and half.  As
> Chalu
>> had noted, I need to rethink through the solution again.  Pumping out
>> nearly a million XML files is not the best practice.  Last night, I
>> accepted Gary Malcolm's invitation to look at Xindice.  Xindice uses  
>> Xpath
>> and Xupdate, it addresses some of my concerns (not certain how many
> records
>> it can support though, but I can categorize).  Unfortunately, Xindice  
>> does
>> not have a PHP client for their API.  I need to figure out something  
>> for
>> this.
>>
>> Your sample codes resolve my large volume of files should I ever need  
>> to
>> spit out more XML files.
>>
>> Now, I have a whole new set of problems.  Lets say, I need to share  
>> data
>> with some companies.  The XML files get changed and must be updated  
>> on my
>> system or their system depending on who is/are the recipient(s) of the
>> changes.  Since I have nearly a million records, how do I keep track  
>> of
>> changes?  Importing everything back into Xindice or whatever  
>> repository in
>> a multiple of X times will generate a lot unnecessary traffic.  On the
>> other hand, updating only the changes will require a lot of tracking
>> (timestamp) as well.  Finally, giving appropriate hook to the partners
> will
>> require an extensive predefined business rules (I don't know it all  
>> and I
>> don't assume to know my partners/users business workflow either) and  
>> some
>> sort of version control for rollback and approval process similarly to
> CMS.
>>  Thought anybody?
>>
>> Thanks for all the suggestions guys.
>> Larry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anirudh Zala [mailto:anirudh at aumcomputers.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 2:17 AM
>> To: talk at nyphp.org
>> Cc: LarryC at indexstock.com
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> Let's have look about your problems 1 by 1
>>
>> 1: Problem of storing and accessing large volume of files in 1  
>> container
>> directory.
>>
>> A: In such cases splitted directory structure solution is best like  
>> what
>> "Rick Seeger" has suggested. Hence you can design a special directory
>> structure that can generate new directory as and when total amout of  
>> files
>> execeeds the limit say... 100 files per directory. Below sample  
>> function
>> does that (it generate new directory as soon as "id" exceeds value  
>> 100)
>>
>> // CRATES A DIRECTORY ACCORDING TO GIVEN ID AND PARENT DIR PATH
>> function createDir($id,$parent)
>> {
>>     $nd_dirlimit = 100;
>>
>>     $mod = ceil($id/$nd_dirlimit) - 1;
>>
>>     $dirs = $mod * $nd_dirlimit + 1;
>>     $dire = $dirs + $nd_dirlimit - 1;
>>
>>     $tempDir = $dirs."_".$dire;
>>
>>     if(! file_exists("$parent/$tempDir"))
>>           mkdir("$parent/$tempDir",0777);
>>
>>     return "$tempDir";
>> }
>> By above method dirctory structure will be like ../1_100/,  
>> ../101_200/,
>> ./201_300/ and in each directory file name with id say "1.xml" to
> "100.xml"
>> (or with any name) will reside. Once above directory structure is
>> implemented no script will crawl like now :D.
>>
>> 2: Importing Data into DB by parsing XML files
>>
>> A: Use php's file "XPath.class.php" this is very nice OO file to  
>> parse XML
>> documents at greater speed. It has lot of easy to use method and
> properties
>> like $xml->evaluate, $xml->setAttributes, $xml->appendChild,
>> $xml->removeAttribute, $xml->exportToFile etc...by which you can  
>> parse lot
>> of XML documents like playing Zigsaw puzzles. It is very handy, class
> based
>> php file. Check example at
>> http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~sa386/php/XPath_V2/testBench/useCases/
>> <http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~sa386/php/XPath_V2/testBench/useCases/>
>>
>> Some times it is useful to use Utilities of Perl and executing your
>> perl/cgi scripts from console level. This very fastest and reliable  
>> method
>> IF such doucmens are to be generated, read or write in batch mode.  
>> Perl's
>> XML::DOM package helps here. Other advantage of such mechanism is  
>> that you
>> can run such scripts seperately from other servers that has connection
> with
>> your DB server, hence reduction of overhaed on your main server that  
>> has
>> php scripts running.
>>
>> Another method is XSQL that is powerful but still new to us and PHP,  
>> where
>> your DB SQL is written directly into XML file that syncronises (update
> your
>> XML document from DB by executing XSQL) your XML and DB from 2 ways.
> (Can't
>> tell much here :( )
>>
>> 3: Is there another way to index and query large volumes of documents?
>>
>> A: I am not getting here exactly your problem, But if you need faster
>> document access from directory or file system (serching 1 file from
> million
>> files) then answer of 1 st question can help here where you just need  
>> to
>> search particular document from 100 files from documnet diretory,  
>> already
>> given from DB.
>>
>> And if question is related to Data then use of indexes (Indexing  
>> commonly
>> used fields in Db like primary keys and foreigh keys) in mysql can  
>> make
>> "Access of record" faster.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Anirudh Zala ( azala at lechuon.com <mailto:azala at lechuon.com> )
>>
>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ----
>> - --------------------------
>> Anirudh Zala (Project Manager),           Tel: +91 281 2451894
>> AUM Computers,                                Gsm: +91 98981 37727
>> 317, Star Plaza,
>> <mailto:anirudh at aumcomputers.com> anirudh at aumcomputers.com
>> Rajkot-360001, Gujarat, INDIA,              
>> <http://www.aumcomputers.com>
>> http://www.aumcomputers.com
>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ----
>> - --------------------------
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Larry Chuon" <  <mailto:LarryC at indexstock.com>
>> LarryC at indexstock.com> To: "NYPHP Talk" <  <mailto:talk at nyphp.org>
>> talk at nyphp.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 4:01 AM
>> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>>
>>> Thank you all for your quick responses.  I'll consider generating  
>>> XML on
>>
>> the
>>
>>> fly (still new at this).  Here's another question.  Besides importing
> the
>>> files to dB, is there another way to index and query large volumes of
>>> documents.  I'm going out of tangent a bit here.  Let say, I'm  
>>> archiving
>>> tons of document for a public library.  They want to scan and  
>>> digitize
>>> millions of articles.  What is the best way to index and search for
>>
>> articles
>>
>>> say by keywords or captions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:53 PM
>>> To: NYPHP Talk
>>> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>>>
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>>>
>>> cheap hosting... cheap db access... i love (hearts in eyes) mysql
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From:  <mailto:soazine at pop.erols.com> soazine at pop.erols.com
>>
>> [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 2:41 PM
>>>> To: NYPHP Talk
>>>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Importing the XML files into a database is an ideal solution,
>>>> unfortunately, not always an available one, such as in my
>>>> case.  I have
>>>> space on a remote server where database access is very
>>>> expensive (it's my
>>>> own site and out of my price range to afford db access), so I have  
>>>> to
>>>> resort to XML as well.  PHP parses XML extremely fast and
>>>> efficiently; I
>>>> highly recommend it.
>>>>
>>>> I'd use PHP's available XML parsers along with grouping them into
>>>> directories sorted by a date or some other delimiter to allow
>>>> for smaller
>>>> amount of files per directory.
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>> Original Message:
>>>> -----------------
>>>> From: Analysis & Solutions   
>>>> <mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
>>
>> danielc at analysisandsolutions.com
>>
>>>> Date: Tue,  6 May 2003 17:35:16 -0400
>>>> To:  <mailto:talk at nyphp.org> talk at nyphp.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:49:21PM -0400, Larry Chuon wrote:
>>>>> I'm doing everything that you mention below.
>>>>
>>>> So, import the files into a database and get rid of the XML files.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a quick tutorial on how to parse XML in PHP:
>>>>    http:www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/phpxml.htm
>>>>
>>>> Enjoy,
>>>>
>>>> --Dan
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>
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>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Chalu Kim
> eGenius Inc
> Technology Partner
> chalu at egenius.com, (718) 858-0142
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
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>



From dsexton at ubspw.com  Thu May  8 16:07:40 2003
From: dsexton at ubspw.com (Sexton, David)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:07:40 -0400 
Subject: $_SESSION
Message-ID: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789DF2@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>

I'm hoping someone can help me with this... I am running PHP 4.1.2 on
WINNT4.0 in CGI mode.
 
All I'm trying to do (as a test), is write data to a session object using
the $_SESSION superglobal, like so:
 
<?php
session_register('test_var');
$_SESSION['test_var'] = "Hello World";
PRINT $_SESSION['test_var'];
?>
 
The variable 'test_var' registers, but the value 'Hello World' does not get
written. What's even more confusing is that the script prints 'Hello World'
to the screen. It seems like PHP is interpreting $_SESSION['test_var'] as a
custom built associative array, since it is printing the value but not
storing it in the session file.
 
Some folks suggested it may be a compatibility issue between $_SESSION and
register_globals = On - So I turned them off and it still doesn't work.
 
The session files are writable if I use the registered globals, but that is
both insecure and a pain because I have to pay attention to scope within
functions.
 
Anybody have any suggestions on what the problem could be?
 
Thanks.


From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Thu May  8 16:13:25 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:13:25 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SESSION
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D15@pcsnet>

i suggest not using regiser...
just change the $_SESSION array directly asmixing and matching the session
functions and the direct access can really blow things up...

from the manual:
 With $_SESSION, there is no need to use the session_register(),
session_unregister(), session_is_registered() functions. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sexton, David [mailto:dsexton at ubspw.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 08 May, 2003 1:08 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SESSION
> 
> 
> I'm hoping someone can help me with this... I am running PHP 4.1.2 on
> WINNT4.0 in CGI mode.
>  
> All I'm trying to do (as a test), is write data to a session 
> object using
> the $_SESSION superglobal, like so:
>  
> <?php
> session_register('test_var');
> $_SESSION['test_var'] = "Hello World";
> PRINT $_SESSION['test_var'];
> ?>
>  
> The variable 'test_var' registers, but the value 'Hello 
> World' does not get
> written. What's even more confusing is that the script prints 
> 'Hello World'
> to the screen. It seems like PHP is interpreting 
> $_SESSION['test_var'] as a
> custom built associative array, since it is printing the value but not
> storing it in the session file.
>  
> Some folks suggested it may be a compatibility issue between 
> $_SESSION and
> register_globals = On - So I turned them off and it still 
> doesn't work.
>  
> The session files are writable if I use the registered 
> globals, but that is
> both insecure and a pain because I have to pay attention to 
> scope within
> functions.
>  
> Anybody have any suggestions on what the problem could be?
>  
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Thu May  8 16:15:16 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:15:16 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SESSION
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D16@pcsnet>

more from the manual:
There is a defect in PHP 4.2.3 and earlier. If you register a new session
variable by using session_register(), the entry in the global scope and the
$_SESSION entry will not reference the same value until the next
session_start(). I.e. a modification to the newly registered global variable
will not be reflected by the $_SESSION entry. This has been corrected in PHP
4.3. 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sexton, David [mailto:dsexton at ubspw.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 08 May, 2003 1:08 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SESSION
> 
> 
> I'm hoping someone can help me with this... I am running PHP 4.1.2 on
> WINNT4.0 in CGI mode.
>  
> All I'm trying to do (as a test), is write data to a session 
> object using
> the $_SESSION superglobal, like so:
>  
> <?php
> session_register('test_var');
> $_SESSION['test_var'] = "Hello World";
> PRINT $_SESSION['test_var'];
> ?>
>  
> The variable 'test_var' registers, but the value 'Hello 
> World' does not get
> written. What's even more confusing is that the script prints 
> 'Hello World'
> to the screen. It seems like PHP is interpreting 
> $_SESSION['test_var'] as a
> custom built associative array, since it is printing the value but not
> storing it in the session file.
>  
> Some folks suggested it may be a compatibility issue between 
> $_SESSION and
> register_globals = On - So I turned them off and it still 
> doesn't work.
>  
> The session files are writable if I use the registered 
> globals, but that is
> both insecure and a pain because I have to pay attention to 
> scope within
> functions.
>  
> Anybody have any suggestions on what the problem could be?
>  
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
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From dsexton at ubspw.com  Thu May  8 16:19:11 2003
From: dsexton at ubspw.com (Sexton, David)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:19:11 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SESSION
Message-ID: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789DF3@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>

I think this may be it... I'll try the upgrade... thanks a lot!

-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 4:16 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] $_SESSION


more from the manual:
There is a defect in PHP 4.2.3 and earlier. If you register a new session
variable by using session_register(), the entry in the global scope and the
$_SESSION entry will not reference the same value until the next
session_start(). I.e. a modification to the newly registered global variable
will not be reflected by the $_SESSION entry. This has been corrected in PHP
4.3. 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sexton, David [mailto:dsexton at ubspw.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 08 May, 2003 1:08 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SESSION
> 
> 
> I'm hoping someone can help me with this... I am running PHP 4.1.2 on
> WINNT4.0 in CGI mode.
>  
> All I'm trying to do (as a test), is write data to a session 
> object using
> the $_SESSION superglobal, like so:
>  
> <?php
> session_register('test_var');
> $_SESSION['test_var'] = "Hello World";
> PRINT $_SESSION['test_var'];
> ?>
>  
> The variable 'test_var' registers, but the value 'Hello 
> World' does not get
> written. What's even more confusing is that the script prints 
> 'Hello World'
> to the screen. It seems like PHP is interpreting 
> $_SESSION['test_var'] as a
> custom built associative array, since it is printing the value but not
> storing it in the session file.
>  
> Some folks suggested it may be a compatibility issue between 
> $_SESSION and
> register_globals = On - So I turned them off and it still 
> doesn't work.
>  
> The session files are writable if I use the registered 
> globals, but that is
> both insecure and a pain because I have to pay attention to 
> scope within
> functions.
>  
> Anybody have any suggestions on what the problem could be?
>  
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From ssmith at tomega.com  Thu May  8 16:22:38 2003
From: ssmith at tomega.com (Sean Smith)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 16:22:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SESSION
References: <200305082008.h48K7owh028961@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EBABC8E.1070805@tomega.com>

The only thing I can think of is that you have to populate the variable 
first then register it.

<?php
$test_var = "Hello World";
session_register('test_var');
PRINT $_SESSION['test_var'];
?>

Hope I'm thinking correctly.
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From heli_travel at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 16:35:34 2003
From: heli_travel at yahoo.com (LY)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:35:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: one more question on "ie on Mac" 
In-Reply-To: <200305071848.h47Il90Z079205@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030508203534.67151.qmail@web12202.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Gary,
Did you use Microsoft Office's Excel for Mac to open CSV files,
or you use Mac's default application AppleWork 6's SpreadSheet
to open it? If you used SpreadSheet, how did you configure it?

Thanks for your Help!


--- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> ly,
> 
> after a bit of googling around "ie for mac" i find that this
> problem
> (dynamic file download) seems to be pervasive. 
> 
> phpbuilder.com suggests exhorting mac end-users to switch to
> netscape 6+...
> or emailing a fix/bug suggestion to the m$ ie for mac team
> (talk about
> swimming upstream!).
> 
> i'll keep an eye out for work arounds.
> 
> gary 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 11:39 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine
> Downloads
> > 
> > 
> > That is:
> > 
> > Explorer Version 5.2.1 (4717) for Mac
> > Encryption:128 bit
> > User Agent: Mozillor/4.0 (compatible: MSIE 5.21;
> Mac_PowerPc)
> > 
> > is it ok?
> > 
> > thanks!
> > 
> > 
> > --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> > > what browser (name and version) are you using... please
> don't
> > > say NS4 :) 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 10:59 AM
> > > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine
> > > Downloads
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Gary,
> > > > 
> > > > I still can't open it on the Mac. I can open this in
> windows
> > > > with no problem. It still gives me a url in eMac, it
> doesn't
> > > > give me the "downloaded.csv".
> > > > Please advise!
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > this worked for me...
> > > > > 
> > > > >     header("Pragma: ");
> > > > >     header("Cache-Control: ");
> > > > >     header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT");
> > > > >     header("Last-Modified: " . gmdate("D, d M Y
> H:i:s") .
> > > "
> > > > > GMT");
> > > > >     header("Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache,
> > > > > must-revalidate");
> > > > >     header("Cache-Control: post-check=0, pre-check=0",
> > > false);
> > > > >     header("Content-type:
> > > > > application/csv-tab-delimited-table;");
> > > > >     header("Content-Disposition: attachment;
> > > > > filename=downloaded.csv");
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 9:03 AM
> > > > > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > > > > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine
> > > Downloads
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I got a very interesting question. When I try to use
> PHP
> > > to
> > > > > > produce a dowload file, I usually use header, like
> this:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > header("Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel;
> > > > > > charset=$dest_charset");
> > > > > > print(" " . $content); 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I print the very long string out with a specfic
> header
> > > > > > information.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This code works fine on windows, linux machines, but
> it
> > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > work for Mac. Mac will download an url instead of a
> > > excel
> > > > > file.
> > > > > > the above code, will give me aa abc.xls file on
> windows
> > > and
> > > > > > linux, but will give me an url, like
> > > > > > this"http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212"
> on
> > > Mac,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > I can't open it!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This things bother me a lot, Could some one help me
> out:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 1)Do I need to configure browser on that Mac to plug
> in
> > > some
> > > > > > applications?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 2)How to change the header to let Mac to download an
> > > excel
> > > > > file
> > > > > > with a specified name and extension instaead of a
> > > > > > url(http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > __________________________________
> > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > > > > > http://search.yahoo.com
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > __________________________________
> > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > > > http://search.yahoo.com
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > http://search.yahoo.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Thu May  8 16:42:22 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:42:22 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] one more question on "ie on Mac"
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D17@pcsnet>

excel... sad to say

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 08 May, 2003 1:36 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] one more question on "ie on Mac"
> 
> 
> Hi Gary,
> Did you use Microsoft Office's Excel for Mac to open CSV files,
> or you use Mac's default application AppleWork 6's SpreadSheet
> to open it? If you used SpreadSheet, how did you configure it?
> 
> Thanks for your Help!
> 
> 
> --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> > ly,
> > 
> > after a bit of googling around "ie for mac" i find that this
> > problem
> > (dynamic file download) seems to be pervasive. 
> > 
> > phpbuilder.com suggests exhorting mac end-users to switch to
> > netscape 6+...
> > or emailing a fix/bug suggestion to the m$ ie for mac team
> > (talk about
> > swimming upstream!).
> > 
> > i'll keep an eye out for work arounds.
> > 
> > gary 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 11:39 AM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine
> > Downloads
> > > 
> > > 
> > > That is:
> > > 
> > > Explorer Version 5.2.1 (4717) for Mac
> > > Encryption:128 bit
> > > User Agent: Mozillor/4.0 (compatible: MSIE 5.21;
> > Mac_PowerPc)
> > > 
> > > is it ok?
> > > 
> > > thanks!
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> > > > what browser (name and version) are you using... please
> > don't
> > > > say NS4 :) 
> > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 10:59 AM
> > > > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > > > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine
> > > > Downloads
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Hi Gary,
> > > > > 
> > > > > I still can't open it on the Mac. I can open this in
> > windows
> > > > > with no problem. It still gives me a url in eMac, it
> > doesn't
> > > > > give me the "downloaded.csv".
> > > > > Please advise!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > 
> > > > > --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > this worked for me...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >     header("Pragma: ");
> > > > > >     header("Cache-Control: ");
> > > > > >     header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00 GMT");
> > > > > >     header("Last-Modified: " . gmdate("D, d M Y
> > H:i:s") .
> > > > "
> > > > > > GMT");
> > > > > >     header("Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache,
> > > > > > must-revalidate");
> > > > > >     header("Cache-Control: post-check=0, pre-check=0",
> > > > false);
> > > > > >     header("Content-type:
> > > > > > application/csv-tab-delimited-table;");
> > > > > >     header("Content-Disposition: attachment;
> > > > > > filename=downloaded.csv");
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 9:03 AM
> > > > > > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > > > > > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine
> > > > Downloads
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I got a very interesting question. When I try to use
> > PHP
> > > > to
> > > > > > > produce a dowload file, I usually use header, like
> > this:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > header("Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel;
> > > > > > > charset=$dest_charset");
> > > > > > > print(" " . $content); 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I print the very long string out with a specfic
> > header
> > > > > > > information.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This code works fine on windows, linux machines, but
> > it
> > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > work for Mac. Mac will download an url instead of a
> > > > excel
> > > > > > file.
> > > > > > > the above code, will give me aa abc.xls file on
> > windows
> > > > and
> > > > > > > linux, but will give me an url, like
> > > > > > > this"http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212"
> > on
> > > > Mac,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > I can't open it!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > This things bother me a lot, Could some one help me
> > out:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 1)Do I need to configure browser on that Mac to plug
> > in
> > > > some
> > > > > > > applications?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 2)How to change the header to let Mac to download an
> > > > excel
> > > > > > file
> > > > > > > with a specified name and extension instaead of a
> > > > > > > url(http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > __________________________________
> > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > > > > > > http://search.yahoo.com
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > __________________________________
> > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > > > > http://search.yahoo.com
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > __________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > > http://search.yahoo.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
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> 
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From heli_travel at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 16:49:20 2003
From: heli_travel at yahoo.com (LY)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:49:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] one more question on "ie on Mac"
In-Reply-To: <200305082043.h48Kgv0V033914@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030508204920.75946.qmail@web12208.mail.yahoo.com>

thanks!

--- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> excel... sad to say
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, 08 May, 2003 1:36 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] one more question on "ie on Mac"
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Gary,
> > Did you use Microsoft Office's Excel for Mac to open CSV
> files,
> > or you use Mac's default application AppleWork 6's
> SpreadSheet
> > to open it? If you used SpreadSheet, how did you configure
> it?
> > 
> > Thanks for your Help!
> > 
> > 
> > --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> > > ly,
> > > 
> > > after a bit of googling around "ie for mac" i find that
> this
> > > problem
> > > (dynamic file download) seems to be pervasive. 
> > > 
> > > phpbuilder.com suggests exhorting mac end-users to switch
> to
> > > netscape 6+...
> > > or emailing a fix/bug suggestion to the m$ ie for mac team
> > > (talk about
> > > swimming upstream!).
> > > 
> > > i'll keep an eye out for work arounds.
> > > 
> > > gary 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 11:39 AM
> > > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac Machine
> > > Downloads
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > That is:
> > > > 
> > > > Explorer Version 5.2.1 (4717) for Mac
> > > > Encryption:128 bit
> > > > User Agent: Mozillor/4.0 (compatible: MSIE 5.21;
> > > Mac_PowerPc)
> > > > 
> > > > is it ok?
> > > > 
> > > > thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > what browser (name and version) are you using...
> please
> > > don't
> > > > > say NS4 :) 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 10:59 AM
> > > > > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac
> Machine
> > > > > Downloads
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Hi Gary,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I still can't open it on the Mac. I can open this in
> > > windows
> > > > > > with no problem. It still gives me a url in eMac, it
> > > doesn't
> > > > > > give me the "downloaded.csv".
> > > > > > Please advise!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > --- "Malcolm, Gary"
> <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > this worked for me...
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > >     header("Pragma: ");
> > > > > > >     header("Cache-Control: ");
> > > > > > >     header("Expires: Mon, 26 Jul 1997 05:00:00
> GMT");
> > > > > > >     header("Last-Modified: " . gmdate("D, d M Y
> > > H:i:s") .
> > > > > "
> > > > > > > GMT");
> > > > > > >     header("Cache-Control: no-store, no-cache,
> > > > > > > must-revalidate");
> > > > > > >     header("Cache-Control: post-check=0,
> pre-check=0",
> > > > > false);
> > > > > > >     header("Content-type:
> > > > > > > application/csv-tab-delimited-table;");
> > > > > > >     header("Content-Disposition: attachment;
> > > > > > > filename=downloaded.csv");
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: LY [mailto:heli_travel at yahoo.com]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 9:03 AM
> > > > > > > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > > > > > > Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP headers and Mac
> Machine
> > > > > Downloads
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Hi Folks,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I got a very interesting question. When I try to
> use
> > > PHP
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > produce a dowload file, I usually use header,
> like
> > > this:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > header("Content-Type: application/vnd.ms-excel;
> > > > > > > > charset=$dest_charset");
> > > > > > > > print(" " . $content); 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I print the very long string out with a specfic
> > > header
> > > > > > > > information.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This code works fine on windows, linux machines,
> but
> > > it
> > > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > > work for Mac. Mac will download an url instead
> of a
> > > > > excel
> > > > > > > file.
> > > > > > > > the above code, will give me aa abc.xls file on
> > > windows
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > linux, but will give me an url, like
> > > > > > > >
> this"http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212"
> > > on
> > > > > Mac,
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > I can't open it!
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > This things bother me a lot, Could some one help
> me
> > > out:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 1)Do I need to configure browser on that Mac to
> plug
> > > in
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > > applications?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 2)How to change the header to let Mac to
> download an
> > > > > excel
> > > > > > > file
> > > > > > > > with a specified name and extension instaead of
> a
> > > > > > > >
> url(http://www.abc.com/app.shtml?nam=a&execid=1212)
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks for your help!
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > __________________________________
> > > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > > > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > > > > > > > http://search.yahoo.com
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > __________________________________
> > > > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> 
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu May  8 17:46:41 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 17:46:41 -0400
Subject: Zend Studio questions - newbie
Message-ID: <000701c315ab$52eb5050$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Keep in mind that I'm coming from a Windows/DreamWeaver environment...so
here goes.

In DreamWeaver, files are automatically "FTP'ed" up to the server when
you preview them and, when you're done editing a file you tell it to
upload the file. I keep my files on local hard drive and upload when
editing is done.

So the question is, what's the equivalent in Zend Studio? I don't want
to edit the files directly on the server (then my local hard drive will
be out of sync with the files). So...if I edit my files locally, what's
the easiest way to get them up to the server? (I believe I had tried a
sort of drag-and-drop between the Project & Filesystem tab. However, a
file named about_us.php became about_us2.php when I did it this
way...maybe I'm overlooking something?)

Jeff

 



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Thu May  8 22:58:40 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 22:58:40 -0400
Subject: MySQL WHERE clause question
Message-ID: <000601c315d6$e58243d0$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

This question concerns how to format a "WHERE" clause so that it only
finds those records that have a particular word buried within the text.
For example, if my WHERE clause has "DE_sDescription LIKE "%ford%" it
will return records that have the word "affordable" in the description
field. But if I remove the wild cards, then it doesn't find those
records that may have the word "ford" buried within a text (the text
runs 500 characters at the max).

Any pointers would be *greatly* appreciated.

Jeff






From pinyo at nyc.rr.com  Thu May  8 23:20:23 2003
From: pinyo at nyc.rr.com (Pinyo Bhulipongsanon)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 23:20:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
References: <200305090302.h4931Att042022@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <009101c315d9$ed7f8630$01c8a8c0@hewlettlydtpep>

Please clarify. You want be able to find this: "Meet me at the ford
dealership"

but not this: "This car is affordable"

Right?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question


> This question concerns how to format a "WHERE" clause so that it only
> finds those records that have a particular word buried within the text.
> For example, if my WHERE clause has "DE_sDescription LIKE "%ford%" it
> will return records that have the word "affordable" in the description
> field. But if I remove the wild cards, then it doesn't find those
> records that may have the word "ford" buried within a text (the text
> runs 500 characters at the max).
>
> Any pointers would be *greatly* appreciated.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>



From jadair at adairservices.net  Thu May  8 23:29:19 2003
From: jadair at adairservices.net (John Adair)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 23:29:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
In-Reply-To: <200305090301.h4931AnT042022@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <PPECJLNMBDAGCKPLDCFMIEBFDAAA.jadair@adairservices.net>

"Select * Where Description Like 'ford %' or like '% ford' or like '% ford
%'"

the first like finds 'ford ' at the beginning of the description.
the second like finds ' ford' at the end of the description.
and the last like finds the word 'ford' within the body that is surrounded
by spaces.

I'm not the best at SQL though.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:01 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question


This question concerns how to format a "WHERE" clause so that it only
finds those records that have a particular word buried within the text.
For example, if my WHERE clause has "DE_sDescription LIKE "%ford%" it
will return records that have the word "affordable" in the description
field. But if I remove the wild cards, then it doesn't find those
records that may have the word "ford" buried within a text (the text
runs 500 characters at the max).

Any pointers would be *greatly* appreciated.

Jeff






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From lists at ny-tech.net  Fri May  9 00:11:38 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 00:11:38 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
References: <200305090329.h493THtd043811@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EBB2A7A.000001.00796@MAIN>

Simplified version would be:
 
SELECT * FROM `table` WHERE `column` REGEXP "[[:blank:]]ford[[:blank:]]"
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: talk at nyphp.org
Date: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:29:32 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
 
"Select * Where Description Like 'ford %' or like '% ford' or like '% ford
%'"
 
the first like finds 'ford ' at the beginning of the description.
the second like finds ' ford' at the end of the description.
and the last like finds the word 'ford' within the body that is surrounded
by spaces.
 
I'm not the best at SQL though.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:01 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
 
 
This question concerns how to format a "WHERE" clause so that it only
finds those records that have a particular word buried within the text.
For example, if my WHERE clause has "DE_sDescription LIKE "%ford%" it
will return records that have the word "affordable" in the description
field. But if I remove the wild cards, then it doesn't find those
records that may have the word "ford" buried within a text (the text
runs 500 characters at the max).
 
Any pointers would be *greatly* appreciated.
 
Jeff
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Fri May  9 00:12:40 2003
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 21:12:40 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
In-Reply-To: <200305090329.h493THor043811@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHGEACFCAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

> "Select * Where Description Like 'ford %' or like '% ford' or
> like '% ford %'"

This won't find "Buy a ford."

I'm not an SQL expert, but I'm constantly dealing with similar issues
in a "search and replace" context.

Could you first pass the Description through a regexp that translates
all punctuation into spaces?  It could also put a space before and
after the Description, so that you could skip the "Like 'ford %'"
and "Like '% ford'" parts.

Regards,

  Ed

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  9 07:14:24 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 07:14:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
In-Reply-To: <200305090329.h493THuZ043811@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c3161c$268e9640$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

This seems to have worked!!!!

Here's the full query:

SELECT * FROM tblDealerSearchList WHERE (DE_bMakeLive = 1) AND
DE_sCategories LIKE '%,2,%' AND ( ( DE_sDescription LIKE "ford %"OR
DE_sDescription LIKE "% ford"OR DE_sDescription LIKE "% ford %") ) ORDER
BY DE_sTargetLevel DESC, DE_sCompanyName ASC 

Here are some of the results:
======
Bobs Ford Parts

90 and newer ford car parts. All years mustangs.
=======
Saved Auto Parts, Inc.

We specialize in factory takeoff Dodge and Ford parts.
======
Ace Antique Automotive

Ford Parts 1932-1953


=============================

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: John Adair [mailto:jadair at adairservices.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:29 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question


"Select * Where Description Like 'ford %' or like '% ford' or like '%
ford %'"

the first like finds 'ford ' at the beginning of the description. the
second like finds ' ford' at the end of the description. and the last
like finds the word 'ford' within the body that is surrounded by spaces.

I'm not the best at SQL though.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:01 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question


This question concerns how to format a "WHERE" clause so that it only
finds those records that have a particular word buried within the text.
For example, if my WHERE clause has "DE_sDescription LIKE "%ford%" it
will return records that have the word "affordable" in the description
field. But if I remove the wild cards, then it doesn't find those
records that may have the word "ford" buried within a text (the text
runs 500 characters at the max).

Any pointers would be *greatly* appreciated.

Jeff












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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  9 07:14:24 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 07:14:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
In-Reply-To: <200305090320.h493KQuZ043008@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000d01c3161c$28b08be0$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

That's the issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: Pinyo Bhulipongsanon [mailto:pinyo at nyc.rr.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 10:20 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question


Please clarify. You want be able to find this: "Meet me at the ford
dealership"

but not this: "This car is affordable"

Right?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question


> This question concerns how to format a "WHERE" clause so that it only 
> finds those records that have a particular word buried within the 
> text. For example, if my WHERE clause has "DE_sDescription LIKE 
> "%ford%" it will return records that have the word "affordable" in the

> description field. But if I remove the wild cards, then it doesn't 
> find those records that may have the word "ford" buried within a text 
> (the text runs 500 characters at the max).
>
> Any pointers would be *greatly* appreciated.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>



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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  9 08:45:15 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 08:45:15 -0400
Subject: Help for Newbie
Message-ID: <001001c31628$d75ac960$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Anyone interested in helping a newbie with some programming issues?
Support would be by phone and email. And, of course, I'd compensate the
"lucky" person.

Jeff



From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Fri May  9 09:08:16 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:08:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help for Newbie
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D60@USA1370MS1>

Why not just ask the list?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:45 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help for Newbie


Anyone interested in helping a newbie with some programming issues?
Support would be by phone and email. And, of course, I'd compensate the
"lucky" person.

Jeff



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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Fri May  9 09:09:21 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:09:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D61@USA1370MS1>

Good point

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed McCarroll [mailto:Ed at ComSimplicity.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:13 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question


> "Select * Where Description Like 'ford %' or like '% ford' or
> like '% ford %'"

This won't find "Buy a ford."

I'm not an SQL expert, but I'm constantly dealing with similar issues
in a "search and replace" context.

Could you first pass the Description through a regexp that translates
all punctuation into spaces?  It could also put a space before and
after the Description, so that you could skip the "Like 'ford %'"
and "Like '% ford'" parts.

Regards,

  Ed

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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  9 09:15:29 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:15:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help for Newbie
In-Reply-To: <200305091308.h49D8MuZ056807@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001201c3162d$11432ba0$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Sometimes there are things that are easier to explain over the phone.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo [mailto:Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:08 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Help for Newbie


Why not just ask the list?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:45 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help for Newbie


Anyone interested in helping a newbie with some programming issues?
Support would be by phone and email. And, of course, I'd compensate the
"lucky" person.

Jeff







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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  9 09:21:10 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:21:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
In-Reply-To: <200305090413.h494CWuZ045212@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001301c3162d$dbfe2070$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

What's the difference between "SELECT * FROM `table` WHERE `column`
REGEXP "[[:blank:]]ford[[:blank:]]"
and using this - "DE_sDescription LIKE  'ford %' OR DE_sDescription LIKE
'% ford' OR DE_sDescription LIKE  '% ford %'"

In this case of the former (the REGEXP) it would seem that if "ford" is
the first word in the text it would not pick it up since there is no
blank/space before "ford" at the beginning of the text.

Is this correct?
Or...in terms of speed, would it be better to use the REGEXP expression
in the same way I'm using the "%" wildcard? (that is...with the
different variations of blanks).

Jeff

 



From mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com  Fri May  9 09:28:38 2003
From: mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com (DeWitt, Michael)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:28:38 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
Message-ID: <BCF799A6B63DD411985D00805F9F903390B425@mail.alexcommgrp.com>

Another approach to this issue is to use MySQL's full text ability.  Details
can be found at http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Fulltext_Search.html

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Adair [SMTP:jadair at adairservices.net]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:29 PM
> To:	NYPHP Talk
> Subject:	RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
> 
> "Select * Where Description Like 'ford %' or like '% ford' or like '% ford
> %'"
> 
> the first like finds 'ford ' at the beginning of the description.
> the second like finds ' ford' at the end of the description.
> and the last like finds the word 'ford' within the body that is surrounded
> by spaces.
> 
> I'm not the best at SQL though.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:01 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
> 
> 
> This question concerns how to format a "WHERE" clause so that it only
> finds those records that have a particular word buried within the text.
> For example, if my WHERE clause has "DE_sDescription LIKE "%ford%" it
> will return records that have the word "affordable" in the description
> field. But if I remove the wild cards, then it doesn't find those
> records that may have the word "ford" buried within a text (the text
> runs 500 characters at the max).
> 
> Any pointers would be *greatly* appreciated.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 


From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Fri May  9 09:34:12 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:34:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D62@USA1370MS1>

You may want to try making it cleaner, like this:

SELECT "column_name" 
FROM "table_name" 
WHERE "column_name" IN ('value1', 'value2', ...) 

http://www.1keydata.com/sql/sqlin.html

As far as speed go, I would not worry too much with modern DBMS.  If you do
get a lot of hits then you can try making a separate result table within the
DBMS that gets updated automatically, i.e., once a day.  At this point, all
your code has to do is just grab everyting from the result table without
making a lot of comparisons in the main table.

Pinyo

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:21 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question


What's the difference between "SELECT * FROM `table` WHERE `column`
REGEXP "[[:blank:]]ford[[:blank:]]"
and using this - "DE_sDescription LIKE  'ford %' OR DE_sDescription LIKE
'% ford' OR DE_sDescription LIKE  '% ford %'"

In this case of the former (the REGEXP) it would seem that if "ford" is
the first word in the text it would not pick it up since there is no
blank/space before "ford" at the beginning of the text.

Is this correct?
Or...in terms of speed, would it be better to use the REGEXP expression
in the same way I'm using the "%" wildcard? (that is...with the
different variations of blanks).

Jeff

 



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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Fri May  9 09:34:57 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:34:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D63@USA1370MS1>

Hi Mike,

I thought full-text search is considerably slower.

Pinyo

-----Original Message-----
From: DeWitt, Michael [mailto:mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:29 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question


Another approach to this issue is to use MySQL's full text ability.  Details
can be found at http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Fulltext_Search.html

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	John Adair [SMTP:jadair at adairservices.net]
> Sent:	Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:29 PM
> To:	NYPHP Talk
> Subject:	RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
> 
> "Select * Where Description Like 'ford %' or like '% ford' or like '% ford
> %'"
> 
> the first like finds 'ford ' at the beginning of the description.
> the second like finds ' ford' at the end of the description.
> and the last like finds the word 'ford' within the body that is surrounded
> by spaces.
> 
> I'm not the best at SQL though.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:01 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
> 
> 
> This question concerns how to format a "WHERE" clause so that it only
> finds those records that have a particular word buried within the text.
> For example, if my WHERE clause has "DE_sDescription LIKE "%ford%" it
> will return records that have the word "affordable" in the description
> field. But if I remove the wild cards, then it doesn't find those
> records that may have the word "ford" buried within a text (the text
> runs 500 characters at the max).
> 
> Any pointers would be *greatly* appreciated.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Fri May  9 09:40:09 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:40:09 -0400
Subject: Differences btw include() and require() ?
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D64@USA1370MS1>

What are the differences?  Personally, I always use include_once().

Thank you.


From ophir at prusak.com  Fri May  9 09:42:22 2003
From: ophir at prusak.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:42:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
References: <200305091321.h49DLIv7059214@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001201c31630$d1e4cd20$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

Just a side note,

If you're gonna be searching for a word within a column using LIKE, you
should consider using MySQLs full text engine.
http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Fulltext_Search.html

If performance is not an issue and you're only doing this once in a while,
then using LIKE shouldn't be to bad.

Regarding your REGEXP, this probably isn't the best solution, but I'd use:
REGEXP "^ford | ford |ford$".

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:21 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question


> What's the difference between "SELECT * FROM `table` WHERE `column`
> REGEXP "[[:blank:]]ford[[:blank:]]"
> and using this - "DE_sDescription LIKE  'ford %' OR DE_sDescription LIKE
> '% ford' OR DE_sDescription LIKE  '% ford %'"
>
> In this case of the former (the REGEXP) it would seem that if "ford" is
> the first word in the text it would not pick it up since there is no
> blank/space before "ford" at the beginning of the text.
>
> Is this correct?
> Or...in terms of speed, would it be better to use the REGEXP expression
> in the same way I'm using the "%" wildcard? (that is...with the
> different variations of blanks).
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>




From JMKing at ipro.org  Fri May  9 09:50:25 2003
From: JMKing at ipro.org (Jaz-Michael King)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:50:25 -0400
Subject: Short Term Job - Lake Success, NY
Message-ID: <sebb79df.012@mail.ipro.org>

Hi all, I'll be needing some PHP help for a couple of months starting late May.

I need someone who can hack up the Sitellite SAF, http://www.simian.ca/saf.html 

I have a few sites running this, and I'll be redesigning all of them, hacking in some extra features and customising some of the fucntionality, plus rewriting most of the content. The site is http://www.ipro.org 

This will be pretty intensive and should last about 8 weeks. The office is in Lake Success, NY, which is near New Hyde Park, Long Island. It's just outside Queens. A lift may be available if you don't have your own transport or public transport isn't viable.

I don't care about qualifications etc., but 3 examples of work, personal or commercial, are required.  Please review the SAF and feel comfortable digging around in it. Previous content management experience is essential, whether it's using other packages, hacking up Nuke, whatever - you'll need some CMS experience.

I'm not privy to the Finance department's policies, but I imagine the rate will be around $40 to $50 / hour. I anticipate four eight-hour days a week for six to eight weeks. Needless to say, this could lead to future opportunities.

Please download the SAF and view the IPRO site before responding. This is onsite work, business casual.

If you have any questions you can call me on 516.326.7767 x 407

Cheers,

Jaz



--
Jaz-Michael King
Online Services Manager
IPRO - http://www.ipro.org





From bpang at bpang.com  Fri May  9 10:20:51 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:20:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
Message-ID: <E19E8jz-0007R3-00@rslrs1-server.com>

I use require when I'm just calling in function libraries and includes
like a server-side include.

But otherwise, they do seem to behave similarily, don't they..


> What are the differences?  Personally, I always use include_once().
> 
> Thank you.
> 
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From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Fri May  9 10:24:18 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:24:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
In-Reply-To: <200305091341.h49Derwt062412@parsec.nyphp.org>; from Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon@usa.xerox.com on Fri, May 09, 2003 at 09:40:53AM -0400
References: <200305091341.h49Derwt062412@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030509102418.F25977@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

On 2003-05-09 09:40 -0400, Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo <Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com> wrote:

> What are the differences?  Personally, I always use include_once().

Basically, if you try to include a file that doesn't exist, you get a
warning, but the PHP file keeps getting processed.  If you try to
require a file that doesn't exist, processing stops.

-- 
cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo

Computers are useless.  They can only give you answers.
 -- Picasso


From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Fri May  9 10:25:24 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:25:24 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D18@pcsnet>

include_once... solves 2 scripts calling the same include
	plus you can keep processing on a fail for a cleaner error 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Pang [mailto:bpang at bpang.com]
> Sent: Friday, 09 May, 2003 7:21 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
> 
> 
> I use require when I'm just calling in function libraries and includes
> like a server-side include.
> 
> But otherwise, they do seem to behave similarily, don't they..
> 
> 
> > What are the differences?  Personally, I always use include_once().
> > 
> > Thank you.
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From bpang at bpang.com  Fri May  9 10:29:48 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:29:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
Message-ID: <E19E8se-0008Ed-00@rslrs1-server.com>

I would always use _once unless I specifically need to repeat something...

good point about continuing processing on a not found error.. but why
would I try to include/require a file that doesn't exist? :)


> include_once... solves 2 scripts calling the same include
> 	plus you can keep processing on a fail for a cleaner error 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Pang [mailto:bpang at bpang.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 09 May, 2003 7:21 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
> > 
> > 
> > I use require when I'm just calling in function libraries and includes
> > like a server-side include.
> > 
> > But otherwise, they do seem to behave similarily, don't they..
> > 
> > 
> > > What are the differences?  Personally, I always use include_once().
> > > 
> > > Thank you.
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Fri May  9 10:33:37 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:33:37 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D19@pcsnet>

*LOL* ever worked in a big ill-defined multi programmer project? or worse...
multiple designers?

really though getting my designers to keep up a naming scheme on their
templates is like trying to keep a dozen puppies in a cardboard box.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Pang [mailto:bpang at bpang.com]
> Sent: Friday, 09 May, 2003 7:30 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
> 
> 
> I would always use _once unless I specifically need to repeat 
> something...
> 
> good point about continuing processing on a not found error.. but why
> would I try to include/require a file that doesn't exist? :)
> 
> 
> > include_once... solves 2 scripts calling the same include
> > 	plus you can keep processing on a fail for a cleaner error 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brian Pang [mailto:bpang at bpang.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, 09 May, 2003 7:21 AM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I use require when I'm just calling in function libraries 
> and includes
> > > like a server-side include.
> > > 
> > > But otherwise, they do seem to behave similarily, don't they..
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > What are the differences?  Personally, I always use 
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From mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com  Fri May  9 10:38:45 2003
From: mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com (DeWitt, Michael)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:38:45 -0400 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
Message-ID: <BCF799A6B63DD411985D00805F9F903390B426@mail.alexcommgrp.com>

Pinyo,

Yes, I believe it is slower, but it's harder to say if it matters. For me,
on my sites, I don't notice it just as it hard to notice the difference, for
example, between 0.1 sec and 0.3 seconds.  

The value it brings in handling string searches sanely is worth it.  It
seems that the SQL language was never constructed for these kinds of queries
and the LIKE operator can only do so much. 

The "hairy" aspect of this issue is writing the parser that constructs the
query to do the searching. Which columns, noise words, phrases, word rooting
and logical combinations of words and phrases are some of the aspects that
have to be addressed (or not, you can always punt).  

Mike 

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo [SMTP:Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com]
> Sent:	Friday, May 09, 2003 9:36 AM
> To:	NYPHP Talk
> Subject:	RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I thought full-text search is considerably slower.
> 
> Pinyo
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DeWitt, Michael [mailto:mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:29 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
> 
> 
> Another approach to this issue is to use MySQL's full text ability.
> Details
> can be found at http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Fulltext_Search.html
> 
> Mike
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	John Adair [SMTP:jadair at adairservices.net]
> > Sent:	Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:29 PM
> > To:	NYPHP Talk
> > Subject:	RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
> > 
> > "Select * Where Description Like 'ford %' or like '% ford' or like '%
> ford
> > %'"
> > 
> > the first like finds 'ford ' at the beginning of the description.
> > the second like finds ' ford' at the end of the description.
> > and the last like finds the word 'ford' within the body that is
> surrounded
> > by spaces.
> > 
> > I'm not the best at SQL though.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:01 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
> > 
> > 
> > This question concerns how to format a "WHERE" clause so that it only
> > finds those records that have a particular word buried within the text.
> > For example, if my WHERE clause has "DE_sDescription LIKE "%ford%" it
> > will return records that have the word "affordable" in the description
> > field. But if I remove the wild cards, then it doesn't find those
> > records that may have the word "ford" buried within a text (the text
> > runs 500 characters at the max).
> > 
> > Any pointers would be *greatly* appreciated.
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
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From ophir at prusak.com  Fri May  9 10:44:44 2003
From: ophir at prusak.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:44:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
References: <200305091439.h49Ecmv7069405@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00d501c31639$87f47e00$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

actually, if you really need it, it should be faster, not slower.

doing a search for a single word on 1,000,000 rows on a text column (not
varchar) will be much faster with a text search index.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DeWitt, Michael" <mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:38 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question


> Pinyo,
>
> Yes, I believe it is slower, but it's harder to say if it matters. For me,
> on my sites, I don't notice it just as it hard to notice the difference,
for
> example, between 0.1 sec and 0.3 seconds.
>
> The value it brings in handling string searches sanely is worth it.  It
> seems that the SQL language was never constructed for these kinds of
queries
> and the LIKE operator can only do so much.
>
> The "hairy" aspect of this issue is writing the parser that constructs the
> query to do the searching. Which columns, noise words, phrases, word
rooting
> and logical combinations of words and phrases are some of the aspects that
> have to be addressed (or not, you can always punt).
>
> Mike
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo [SMTP:Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:36 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > I thought full-text search is considerably slower.
> >
> > Pinyo
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: DeWitt, Michael [mailto:mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com]
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:29 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
> >
> >
> > Another approach to this issue is to use MySQL's full text ability.
> > Details
> > can be found at http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Fulltext_Search.html
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: John Adair [SMTP:jadair at adairservices.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:29 PM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
> > >
> > > "Select * Where Description Like 'ford %' or like '% ford' or like '%
> > ford
> > > %'"
> > >
> > > the first like finds 'ford ' at the beginning of the description.
> > > the second like finds ' ford' at the end of the description.
> > > and the last like finds the word 'ford' within the body that is
> > surrounded
> > > by spaces.
> > >
> > > I'm not the best at SQL though.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jeff [mailto:jsiegel1 at optonline.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:01 PM
> > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
> > >
> > >
> > > This question concerns how to format a "WHERE" clause so that it only
> > > finds those records that have a particular word buried within the
text.
> > > For example, if my WHERE clause has "DE_sDescription LIKE "%ford%" it
> > > will return records that have the word "affordable" in the description
> > > field. But if I remove the wild cards, then it doesn't find those
> > > records that may have the word "ford" buried within a text (the text
> > > runs 500 characters at the max).
> > >
> > > Any pointers would be *greatly* appreciated.
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com  Fri May  9 10:54:15 2003
From: Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com (Vanmosel, Arno)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:54:15 -0400
Subject: how do i login?
Message-ID: <833553ACC7BFCC4E990FFD9679482A16016AA0@hqstfmbx2.wwecorp.net>


I need to change my personal info like email address on teh nyphp.org website.
But I can't seem to find out how and where to do this.

Anyone? URL?

Thank you.

Arno
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From bpang at bpang.com  Fri May  9 10:57:32 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:57:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
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sure, then I decided I don't like working with other people so much...
;)

point well taken...

only a big, meanie would try to keep a dozen puppies in one cardboard box.


> *LOL* ever worked in a big ill-defined multi programmer project? or
worse...
> multiple designers?
> 
> really though getting my designers to keep up a naming scheme on their
> templates is like trying to keep a dozen puppies in a cardboard box.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Pang [mailto:bpang at bpang.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 09 May, 2003 7:30 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
> > 
> > 
> > I would always use _once unless I specifically need to repeat 
> > something...
> > 
> > good point about continuing processing on a not found error.. but why
> > would I try to include/require a file that doesn't exist? :)
> > 
> > 
> > > include_once... solves 2 scripts calling the same include
> > > 	plus you can keep processing on a fail for a cleaner error 
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Brian Pang [mailto:bpang at bpang.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, 09 May, 2003 7:21 AM
> > > > To: NYPHP Talk
> > > > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I use require when I'm just calling in function libraries 
> > and includes
> > > > like a server-side include.
> > > > 
> > > > But otherwise, they do seem to behave similarily, don't they..
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > What are the differences?  Personally, I always use 
> > include_once().
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thank you.
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From shiflett at php.net  Fri May  9 11:00:19 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:00:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how do i login?
In-Reply-To: <200305091454.h49EsIvd071104@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030509150019.95463.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Vanmosel, Arno" <Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com> wrote:
> I need to change my personal info like email address on teh nyphp.org
> website.
> But I can't seem to find out how and where to do this.
> 
> Anyone? URL?

http://www.nyphp.org/content/mailinglist/mlist.php#mlist


From Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com  Fri May  9 11:07:55 2003
From: Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com (Vanmosel, Arno)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:07:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] how do i login?
Message-ID: <833553ACC7BFCC4E990FFD9679482A16016AA3@hqstfmbx2.wwecorp.net>

Thank you...

Guess i didn't read the text above it ...
lol


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:shiflett at php.net]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:59 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] how do i login?


--- "Vanmosel, Arno" <Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com> wrote:
> I need to change my personal info like email address on teh nyphp.org
> website.
> But I can't seem to find out how and where to do this.
> 
> Anyone? URL?

http://www.nyphp.org/content/mailinglist/mlist.php#mlist


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From hans at nyphp.org  Fri May  9 11:32:20 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:32:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: The PHP Framework?
Message-ID: <20030509153220.75748.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>


I'm falling behind; this is the first I've heard of the PHP 4.0 Framework:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/html/phpvsaspnet.asp

Very cute.

H




From nyphp at enobrev.com  Fri May  9 11:49:34 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:49:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
In-Reply-To: <200305091532.h49FWOpx074800@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <012401c31642$969d9c30$e1951d18@enobrev>

Haha.. Read it late last night.

Thought it was adorable.  Like comparing bread to a toaster.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:32 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?



I'm falling behind; this is the first I've heard of the PHP 4.0
Framework:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/
html/phpvsaspnet.asp

Very cute.

H




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From bpang at bpang.com  Fri May  9 11:57:52 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 11:57:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
Message-ID: <E19EAFs-0002vm-00@rslrs1-server.com>

I like how they tried to present it as an objective viewpoint, yet don't
provide a link for more info about PHP in the summary as they do with
ASP.NET.

Otherwise, the corollaries come across as desperation.

In the end, there are times to one or the other. In the case of ASP.NET,
that time is when you are forced to.


> Haha.. Read it late last night.
> 
> Thought it was adorable.  Like comparing bread to a toaster.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org] 
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:32 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
> 
> 
> 
> I'm falling behind; this is the first I've heard of the PHP 4.0
> Framework:
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/
> html/phpvsaspnet.asp
> 
> Very cute.
> 
> H
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> 
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Fri May  9 12:06:16 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:06:16 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D1A@pcsnet>

is this article a joke...?

I especially like:

<quote>
Out of the box, ASP.NET v1.0 supports the following languages: 

C# 
Visual Basic .NET 
Managed C++ 
JScript 
</quote>


C#!? JScript!!??!  you've got to pulling my leg.

also
<quote>
the PHP language is not strongly typed (that is, if you compare the string
"4" to the integer 4, the result is true), which causes problems when
building larger applications
</quote>

heard of === ? int_val? is_int?  Web work with strongly typed languages is a
pain in the ass. There's a reason ML
(http://www.dcs.napier.ac.uk/course-notes/sml/manual.html) is used only by
university faculty... 

M$ smells bad.

gary


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Armendariz [mailto:nyphp at enobrev.com]
> Sent: Friday, 09 May, 2003 8:50 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
> 
> 
> Haha.. Read it late last night.
> 
> Thought it was adorable.  Like comparing bread to a toaster.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org] 
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:32 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
> 
> 
> 
> I'm falling behind; this is the first I've heard of the PHP 4.0
> Framework:
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-
us/dnaspp/
html/phpvsaspnet.asp

Very cute.

H













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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  9 12:15:54 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:15:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
In-Reply-To: <200305091533.h49FWOuZ074800@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002501c31646$4561b960$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I wonder why there is no comparison in terms of 
licensing costs and on-going upgrades? ;)


-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:32 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?



I'm falling behind; this is the first I've heard of the PHP 4.0
Framework:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/
html/phpvsaspnet.asp

Very cute.

H




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From Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com  Fri May  9 12:18:33 2003
From: Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com (Vanmosel, Arno)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:18:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
Message-ID: <833553ACC7BFCC4E990FFD9679482A167AA1@hqstfmbx2.wwecorp.net>

Hehehehe ....
This is just to funny!)

"JScript" ... didn't even see that one! 
Client side scripting is supported by .NET ... no shit Sherlock!

And it better support your own languages too ... Wouldn't it be funny
is .NET did not support VB .NET? It's like PHP not supporting ... 
well ... mod-php. 

Wonder why they didn't include the lines:
O/S supported: 

What is next?  hehehehe

Thanks Hans ... I need a good laugh. 

Arno


-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:05 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?


is this article a joke...?

I especially like:

<quote>
Out of the box, ASP.NET v1.0 supports the following languages: 

C# 
Visual Basic .NET 
Managed C++ 
JScript 
</quote>


C#!? JScript!!??!  you've got to pulling my leg.

also
<quote>
the PHP language is not strongly typed (that is, if you compare the string
"4" to the integer 4, the result is true), which causes problems when
building larger applications
</quote>

heard of === ? int_val? is_int?  Web work with strongly typed languages is a
pain in the ass. There's a reason ML
(http://www.dcs.napier.ac.uk/course-notes/sml/manual.html) is used only by
university faculty... 

M$ smells bad.

gary


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Armendariz [mailto:nyphp at enobrev.com]
> Sent: Friday, 09 May, 2003 8:50 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
> 
> 
> Haha.. Read it late last night.
> 
> Thought it was adorable.  Like comparing bread to a toaster.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org] 
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:32 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
> 
> 
> 
> I'm falling behind; this is the first I've heard of the PHP 4.0
> Framework:
> 
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-
us/dnaspp/
html/phpvsaspnet.asp

Very cute.

H


















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From Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com  Fri May  9 12:31:10 2003
From: Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com (Vanmosel, Arno)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:31:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
Message-ID: <833553ACC7BFCC4E990FFD9679482A16016AA9@hqstfmbx2.wwecorp.net>

Hehehehe ....
This is just to funny!

"JScript" ... didn't even see that one! 
Client side scripting is supported by .NET ... no shit Sherlock!

And it better support your own languages too ... Wouldn't it be funny
is .NET did not support VB .NET? It's like PHP not supporting ... 
well ... mod-php. 

What is next?  hehehehe

Thanks Hans ... I need a good laugh. 

Arno
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From jmusil at villagevoice.com  Fri May  9 12:33:51 2003
From: jmusil at villagevoice.com (Jim Musil)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:33:51 -0400
Subject: Setting Constants Globally?
Message-ID: <BAE150AF.10A3A%jmusil@villagevoice.com>


Hi,

Pardon me if the answer to this question is obvious, but is there a way to
define my own constants that are global for all php scripts?

I see that I could auto_prepend a file to every script, but I'm more
interested in being able to set my own constant.

Something like PATH_TO_DEVTOOLS ...

Maybe there is a better way to do something like this?



Jim




From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Fri May  9 12:39:26 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:39:26 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting Constants Globally?
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D1C@pcsnet>

I have a file with my system wide defines ( define( "THING", defintion); )
as an include on another file where i put my most common includes (like my
db classes).
I then will include the second file to avoid tons of includes in each
script.

defines are global within individual scripts.

works well for me...

I'm curious how others handle this seemingly common issue.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Musil [mailto:jmusil at villagevoice.com]
> Sent: Friday, 09 May, 2003 9:34 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting Constants Globally?
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Pardon me if the answer to this question is obvious, but is 
> there a way to
> define my own constants that are global for all php scripts?
> 
> I see that I could auto_prepend a file to every script, but I'm more
> interested in being able to set my own constant.
> 
> Something like PATH_TO_DEVTOOLS ...
> 
> Maybe there is a better way to do something like this?
> 
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
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From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Fri May  9 12:40:20 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:40:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
In-Reply-To: <200305091607.h49G6qvh077736@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305091607.h49G6qvh077736@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <16017-27198@sneakemail.com>

This whole concept seems slashdot worthy - I added the article for 
review; let's see if they bite.  From the outside looking in, they 
attempt to make their case, but the examples are specious at best (as 
Gary so eloquently put below).  I'd have loved to see a PHP developer 
write one half of this article and an ASP.NET developer write the other 
half.  C'est la vie.

+gadhra+

Malcolm, Gary gmalcolm-at-professionalcredit.com |NY PHP| wrote:

>is this article a joke...?
>
>I especially like:
>
><quote>
>Out of the box, ASP.NET v1.0 supports the following languages: 
>
>C# 
>Visual Basic .NET 
>Managed C++ 
>JScript 
></quote>
>
>
>C#!? JScript!!??!  you've got to pulling my leg.
>
>also
><quote>
>the PHP language is not strongly typed (that is, if you compare the string
>"4" to the integer 4, the result is true), which causes problems when
>building larger applications
></quote>
>
>heard of === ? int_val? is_int?  Web work with strongly typed languages is a
>pain in the ass. There's a reason ML
>(http://www.dcs.napier.ac.uk/course-notes/sml/manual.html) is used only by
>university faculty... 
>
>M$ smells bad.
>
>gary
>
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Mark Armendariz [mailto:nyphp at enobrev.com]
>>Sent: Friday, 09 May, 2003 8:50 AM
>>To: NYPHP Talk
>>Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
>>
>>
>>Haha.. Read it late last night.
>>
>>Thought it was adorable.  Like comparing bread to a toaster.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org] 
>>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:32 AM
>>To: NYPHP Talk
>>Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm falling behind; this is the first I've heard of the PHP 4.0
>>Framework:
>>
>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-
>>    
>>
>us/dnaspp/
>html/phpvsaspnet.asp
>
>Very cute.
>
>H
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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From Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com  Fri May  9 12:43:35 2003
From: Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com (Vanmosel, Arno)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:43:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
Message-ID: <833553ACC7BFCC4E990FFD9679482A16016AAA@hqstfmbx2.wwecorp.net>

Sorry ... I replied to the wrong subject in the mailing.

You see ... that's how funny this article by Microsoft actualy is.... I lost total control over myself! lmao

--- Original sent ---


Hehehehe ....
This is just to funny!

"JScript" ... didn't even see that one! 
Client side scripting is supported by .NET ... no shit Sherlock!

And it better support your own languages too ... Wouldn't it be funny
is .NET did not support VB .NET? It's like PHP not supporting ... 
well ... mod-php. 

What is next?  hehehehe

Thanks Hans ... I needed a good laugh. 

Arno



From psaw at pswebcode.com  Fri May  9 12:48:23 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:48:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
In-Reply-To: <200305091533.h49FWOv9074800@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000001c3164a$cfbeba00$4cbdfea9@bronco>

It was a smooth lo-calorie tidbit. 

For me, though, the article most fully amplifies that, at last, 
after so much time Microsoft has finally engaged enough gears and 
can even attempt such a slim and daring head to head.

It does not change that ASP.NET, far from being a radical and innovative
rewrite 
is an infusion of tasty XML, Java and C strategies monumentally hoisted
on top of the 
hardcore Windows Server environment and the "out from leftfield"
introduction of 
more kludge like the Microsoft Intermediate Language (MSIL) code and 
common language runtime (CLR) will be contributing to overall
performance hits 
on IIS web server environments everywhere.

Everyone please take a moment and commiserate with them now, those 
glassy-eyed programmers, who are in some way remain sisters and
brothers, 
who have to hoist that heavy, heavy .NET chain and keep on keepin on. 
Frankly, I think .NET experience will make all of them stronger 
opensource programmers when they are ready.

Warmest regards,

Peter Sawczynec, Technology Director
PSWebcode -- opensource programming 
for the interactive web
psaw at pswebcode.com
www.pswebcode.com
718.543.3240



-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:32 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?



I'm falling behind; this is the first I've heard of the PHP 4.0
Framework:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/
html/phpvsaspnet.asp

Very cute.

H




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From bpang at bpang.com  Fri May  9 12:44:00 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:44:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting Constants Globally?
Message-ID: <E19EAyW-0003PK-00@rslrs1-server.com>

something that I do is put this at the top of every page

require_once($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'] . "/LIB.php");

with the contents of LIB.php including:

$ROOT = "/path/to/home/dir";
$HTROOT = $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'];
$FUNCTIONS = "$HTROOT/FUNCTIONS";
$INCLUDES = "$HTROOT/INCLUDES";

$IMAGES = "$WEBROOT/images";


which I use as global vars...

I also do things like session_start() and other similar global
activities in this file (or files included/required from LIB.php), i.e.
db connections, 


note: make sure that these files don't produce any output or they will
interfere with session/cookie setting



> 
> Hi,
> 
> Pardon me if the answer to this question is obvious, but is there a way to
> define my own constants that are global for all php scripts?
> 
> I see that I could auto_prepend a file to every script, but I'm more
> interested in being able to set my own constant.
> 
> Something like PATH_TO_DEVTOOLS ...
> 
> Maybe there is a better way to do something like this?
> 
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 
> 





From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Fri May  9 12:46:30 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:46:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting Constants Globally?
In-Reply-To: <200305091640.h49Ge2wr081270@parsec.nyphp.org>; from gmalcolm@professionalcredit.com on Fri, May 09, 2003 at 12:40:02PM -0400
References: <200305091640.h49Ge2wr081270@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030509124630.A28493@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

On 2003-05-09 12:40 -0400, Malcolm, Gary <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:

> I'm curious how others handle this seemingly common issue.

That's what I do.  I have a file called _header.inc, which has all the
functions and definitions I need most of the time.  It also draws the
top of each page, so that I have the same layout on each page.  Then,
in every .php file, I just include( './_header.inc' );, and start
writing the body of the page.

-- 
cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo

"Nuclear war would really set back cable."
  -- Ted Turner


From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Fri May  9 12:49:14 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:49:14 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D1D@pcsnet>


> Everyone please take a moment and commiserate with them now, those 
> glassy-eyed programmers, who are in some way remain sisters and
> brothers, 
> who have to hoist that heavy, heavy .NET chain and keep on keepin on. 
> Frankly, I think .NET experience will make all of them stronger 
> opensource programmers when they are ready.


hallelujah brother








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From jmusil at villagevoice.com  Fri May  9 13:15:48 2003
From: jmusil at villagevoice.com (Jim Musil)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 13:15:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting Constants Globally?
In-Reply-To: <200305091640.h49Ge2xV081270@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAE15A84.10A4A%jmusil@villagevoice.com>


This seems to be the best solution, but the problem I have with this is that
you still have a path definition in every file. If for some reason that
location changes, you have to change it in all your scripts.

I'm sure I could search and replace the whole lot of them, but it just
strikes me as messy.

The situation in which it arises the most is when I have a shared set of
development tools that I use on various pages across several different
virtual hosts.

I don't want to do this:

    include("/usr/blah/blah/blah/blah/devtools.php");

I'd rather do this:

    include(DEVTOOLS);  //  DEVTOOLS is defined in one place server wide


Jim



On 5/9/03 12:40 PM, "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:

> I have a file with my system wide defines ( define( "THING", defintion); )
> as an include on another file where i put my most common includes (like my
> db classes).
> I then will include the second file to avoid tons of includes in each
> script.
> 
> defines are global within individual scripts.
> 
> works well for me...
> 
> I'm curious how others handle this seemingly common issue.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Musil [mailto:jmusil at villagevoice.com]
>> Sent: Friday, 09 May, 2003 9:34 AM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting Constants Globally?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Pardon me if the answer to this question is obvious, but is
>> there a way to
>> define my own constants that are global for all php scripts?
>> 
>> I see that I could auto_prepend a file to every script, but I'm more
>> interested in being able to set my own constant.
>> 
>> Something like PATH_TO_DEVTOOLS ...
>> 
>> Maybe there is a better way to do something like this?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Fri May  9 13:20:30 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:20:30 -0700 
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting Constants Globally?
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D1E@pcsnet>

do you define the default include directory in your php.ini? It can have a
list of paths... 
(I put the path to PEAR, and the path to my typical includes there) AND it's
outside of my docroot

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Musil [mailto:jmusil at villagevoice.com]
> Sent: Friday, 09 May, 2003 10:16 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Setting Constants Globally?
> 
> 
> 
> This seems to be the best solution, but the problem I have 
> with this is that
> you still have a path definition in every file. If for some 
> reason that
> location changes, you have to change it in all your scripts.
> 
> I'm sure I could search and replace the whole lot of them, but it just
> strikes me as messy.
> 
> The situation in which it arises the most is when I have a 
> shared set of
> development tools that I use on various pages across several different
> virtual hosts.
> 
> I don't want to do this:
> 
>     include("/usr/blah/blah/blah/blah/devtools.php");
> 
> I'd rather do this:
> 
>     include(DEVTOOLS);  //  DEVTOOLS is defined in one place 
> server wide
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/9/03 12:40 PM, "Malcolm, Gary" 
> <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> 
> > I have a file with my system wide defines ( define( 
> "THING", defintion); )
> > as an include on another file where i put my most common 
> includes (like my
> > db classes).
> > I then will include the second file to avoid tons of 
> includes in each
> > script.
> > 
> > defines are global within individual scripts.
> > 
> > works well for me...
> > 
> > I'm curious how others handle this seemingly common issue.
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jim Musil [mailto:jmusil at villagevoice.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, 09 May, 2003 9:34 AM
> >> To: NYPHP Talk
> >> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting Constants Globally?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> Pardon me if the answer to this question is obvious, but is
> >> there a way to
> >> define my own constants that are global for all php scripts?
> >> 
> >> I see that I could auto_prepend a file to every script, 
> but I'm more
> >> interested in being able to set my own constant.
> >> 
> >> Something like PATH_TO_DEVTOOLS ...
> >> 
> >> Maybe there is a better way to do something like this?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Jim
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From lance.listserv at optimost.com  Fri May  9 13:42:38 2003
From: lance.listserv at optimost.com (Lance Lovette)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:42:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting Constants Globally?
In-Reply-To: <200305091634.h49GXwuN080416@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002101c31652$626b62c0$0a11010a@lance>

If you have the ability to compile extensions into PHP and you're not
running under Windows you may find useful an extension I wrote that
addresses this problem and more.

http://pwee.sourceforge.net/

Lance

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Musil [mailto:jmusil at villagevoice.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 12:34 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting Constants Globally?



Hi,

Pardon me if the answer to this question is obvious, but is there a way to
define my own constants that are global for all php scripts?

I see that I could auto_prepend a file to every script, but I'm more
interested in being able to set my own constant.

Something like PATH_TO_DEVTOOLS ...

Maybe there is a better way to do something like this?



Jim




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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Fri May  9 13:49:04 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:49:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
In-Reply-To: <200305091559.h49FwHu1076713@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030509174904.77604.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Brian Pang <bpang at bpang.com> wrote:
> I like how they tried to present it as an objective viewpoint, yet don't
> provide a link for more info about PHP in the summary as they do with
> ASP.NET.

Haha, yes, that's what struck me, too.  As if they were taking a long hard
look at the issues.

As if,

H

> 
> Otherwise, the corollaries come across as desperation.
> 
> In the end, there are times to one or the other. In the case of ASP.NET,
> that time is when you are forced to.
> 
> 
> > Haha.. Read it late last night.
> > 
> > Thought it was adorable.  Like comparing bread to a toaster.
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org] 
> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:32 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I'm falling behind; this is the first I've heard of the PHP 4.0
> > Framework:
> > 
> > http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnaspp/
> > html/phpvsaspnet.asp
> > 
> > Very cute.
> > 
> > H
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Fri May  9 12:07:39 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:07:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D68@USA1370MS1>

Thanks all.  That cleared it up.

-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 10:26 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?


include_once... solves 2 scripts calling the same include
	plus you can keep processing on a fail for a cleaner error 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Pang [mailto:bpang at bpang.com]
> Sent: Friday, 09 May, 2003 7:21 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Differences btw include and require ?
> 
> 
> I use require when I'm just calling in function libraries and includes
> like a server-side include.
> 
> But otherwise, they do seem to behave similarily, don't they..
> 
> 
> > What are the differences?  Personally, I always use include_once().
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From hans at nyphp.org  Fri May  9 13:57:28 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:57:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Setting Constants Globally?
In-Reply-To: <200305091634.h49GXwu1080416@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030509175728.5468.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jim Musil <jmusil at villagevoice.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Pardon me if the answer to this question is obvious, but is there a way to
> define my own constants that are global for all php scripts?
> 
> I see that I could auto_prepend a file to every script, but I'm more
> interested in being able to set my own constant.
> 
> Something like PATH_TO_DEVTOOLS ...
> 
> Maybe there is a better way to do something like this?

There are several options.

If you need constants, then the only way is to:

define('SOMETHING','SOMEVALUE');

in an include-type of file.  I'm a big fan of auto_prepend.

If you don't need it to be a constant (heck, if someone changes the value,
it's their lose) and you're using mod_php, I very much like something like
this in httpd.conf:

SetEnv SOMETHING 'SOMEVALUE'

which will be accesible via $_SERVER['SOMETHING'];  This is very handy and I
use it alot.  Also note that you can SetEnv in .htaccess, <Directory> or even
<Files> directives, so it's a real flexible way of setting things up.

Lastly, you can use shared memory.  Once set, they are available until reboot
(or they are released).  This is also extremely handy, and the most flexible,
but is a bit more involved to get started with.

And, I seem to remember there was a way to actually make a constant
definition in Apache's httpd.conf but I can't recall it now.  Oh well, maybe
I'll think of it.

H



From emm at scriptdigital.com  Fri May  9 16:03:09 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 16:03:09 -0400
Subject: Named parameters
Message-ID: <p05210209bae1b8c6bbf5@[192.168.0.2]>

I miss named parameters for function in PHP.

Is there a better way to do it than that:

function namedParams ( $ar ) {
	echo $ar['param1'] . " " . $ar['param2'];
}

namedParams ( array ('param1' => "Hello", 'param2' => "World!") );

--> Hello World!

I could have done something like:

$params = array (
	'param1' => "Hello",
	'param2' => "World!");
namedParams ($params);

But my feeling is that in both case, it look ugly.

Usually, named parameters are there for readability, which, in my 
example, is not really the case.

Is there any technique that I'm missing here?

Cheers
-Emmanuel
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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Fri May  9 18:32:30 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:32:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Named parameters
In-Reply-To: <200305092005.h49K4lwf094880@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305091824370.6326-100000@miranda.org>

On Fri, 9 May 2003, Emmanuel. M. Decarie wrote:

> I miss named parameters for function in PHP.

[snip]

> Is there any technique that I'm missing here?

Not really, AFAIK you need to use an associative array to fake named
params in PHP.

However, if you use extract() at the top of your function, it makes
referencing the variables much easier (and better looking) inside the
function:

function namedParams ( $ar ) {
    extract ( $ar ); 

    echo "$param1 $param2";
}

extract() will import variables from an array into the current symbol
table. You can optionally decide whether they should overwrite
existing variables and also prefix their name with a constant.

See http://www.php.net/extract

-adam

PS: I notice this hint is missing from Recipe 6.4 (Using Named
Parameters) of the Cookbook. Oops. More material for the second
edition. :)

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From brent at landover.com  Fri May  9 16:48:59 2003
From: brent at landover.com (Brent Baisley)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:48:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Named parameters
In-Reply-To: <200305092005.h49K4lsT094880@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <A87118B8-825F-11D7-904A-0050E4C5CF70@landover.com>

Not quite sure what you are asking, but you may want to look into the 
extract() function. It converts an array into variables using the array 
keys for the name of the variables.

On Friday, May 9, 2003, at 04:04 PM, Emmanuel. M. Decarie wrote:

> I miss named parameters for function in PHP.
>
> Is there a better way to do it than that:
>
> function namedParams ( $ar ) {
> 	echo $ar['param1'] . " " . $ar['param2'];
> }
>
> namedParams ( array ('param1' => "Hello", 'param2' => "World!") );
>
> --> Hello World!
>
> I could have done something like:
>
> $params = array (
> 	'param1' => "Hello",
> 	'param2' => "World!");
> namedParams ($params);
>
> But my feeling is that in both case, it look ugly.
>
> Usually, named parameters are there for readability, which, in my
> example, is not really the case.
>
> Is there any technique that I'm missing here?
>
> Cheers
> -Emmanuel
>
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Landover Associates, Inc.
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  9 19:02:36 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 19:02:36 -0400
Subject: Losing data on post (sorta)
Message-ID: <000a01c3167f$16464ef0$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I have a form that has a multi-select dropdown. When the user clicks
'submit' the data is posted to a "confirmation" form. The confirmation
form checks the data. If there is an error, the user goes back to the
form. 1 out of 3 times when you go back and forth between the form and
the confirmation page, the posted data from the dropdown is "lost." Yes,
in the form everything is still selected but it doesn't post.

Any clues?

I'm using IE 6 in case that's the issue. Further, I'm using sessions.
Some sample code is below. (It's quite possible I'm doing something
wrong here.)

Jeff
=============================

Code from the very top of the form the user fills out.

	session_start();
	header("Cache-control: private");  //IE 6 Fix
	session_register('srDE_sCompanyName', 'srDE_sFname',
'srDE_sLname', 'srDE_sAddr1',
	
'srDE_sAddr2','srDE_sCity','srDE_sState','srDE_sZipcode','srDE_sCountry'
,'srDE_sAreaCode',
	
'srDE_sPhone','srDE_sTollFree','srDE_sFax','srDE_sEmail','srDE_sURL','sr
DE_sDescription',
		'srDE_sCategories');

Code from the very top of the user confirmation form


	session_start();
	header("Cache-control: private"); // IE 6.0 Fix
	$root = getenv('DOCUMENT_ROOT');
	include_once($root . '/include/global.inc.php');
	include_once($root .
'/include/dealer_search_submission.inc.php');


I get an error message (sometimes...as noted earlier) when I check the
value of this var: $_SESSION['srDE_sCategories'] . This is the variable
that stores the multiple categories. 
Sometimes it has a value...sometimes it does not.



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  9 19:44:29 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 19:44:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
In-Reply-To: <200305091342.h49DfxuZ063168@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000b01c31684$ef7f3010$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I thought about full text but even if the user manages to find all 5000
records (we're not talking millions here) I only display the first 200
matches...kinda forces the user to come up with better search criteria
to narrow their own search.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Ophir Prusak [mailto:ophir at prusak.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 8:42 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question


Just a side note,

If you're gonna be searching for a word within a column using LIKE, you
should consider using MySQLs full text engine.
http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Fulltext_Search.html

If performance is not an issue and you're only doing this once in a
while, then using LIKE shouldn't be to bad.

Regarding your REGEXP, this probably isn't the best solution, but I'd
use: REGEXP "^ford | ford |ford$".

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:21 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question


> What's the difference between "SELECT * FROM `table` WHERE `column` 
> REGEXP "[[:blank:]]ford[[:blank:]]" and using this - "DE_sDescription 
> LIKE  'ford %' OR DE_sDescription LIKE '% ford' OR DE_sDescription 
> LIKE  '% ford %'"
>
> In this case of the former (the REGEXP) it would seem that if "ford" 
> is the first word in the text it would not pick it up since there is 
> no blank/space before "ford" at the beginning of the text.
>
> Is this correct?
> Or...in terms of speed, would it be better to use the REGEXP 
> expression in the same way I'm using the "%" wildcard? (that is...with

> the different variations of blanks).
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>




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From shiflett at php.net  Fri May  9 20:40:12 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:40:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Losing data on post
In-Reply-To: <200305092303.h49N2jvd000295@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030510004012.30791.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> I have a form that has a multi-select dropdown. When the user clicks
> 'submit' the data is posted to a "confirmation" form. The confirmation
> form checks the data. If there is an error, the user goes back to the
> form.

That sounds like a design problem. Why should the user go back?

You can avoid the problem you describe entirely by re-displaying the form if
there is an error (highlighting and/or describing the errors, of course). Then
you can prefill the form howver you like. This is much more reliable, but more
importantly, it's much more user-friendly.

Hope that helps.

Chris


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May  9 23:16:04 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 23:16:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Losing data on post
In-Reply-To: <200305100040.h4A0eFuZ003085@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001301c316a2$7de57a90$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

You're correct. It *was* a design problem.

I simply moved the session_register stuff to the confirmation page
and...after cleaning my glasses <g> I realized that I looped through the
array ($_SESSION['srDE_sCategories'] is an array from the multi-select
box) BEFORE I had "officially" set the value of this session variable.
Then everything worked fine. (Sometimes the act of writing an email
"clears the mind" and makes the solution apparent.)

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:shiflett at php.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:40 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Losing data on post


--- Jeff <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> I have a form that has a multi-select dropdown. When the user clicks 
> 'submit' the data is posted to a "confirmation" form. The confirmation

> form checks the data. If there is an error, the user goes back to the 
> form.

That sounds like a design problem. Why should the user go back?

You can avoid the problem you describe entirely by re-displaying the
form if there is an error (highlighting and/or describing the errors, of
course). Then you can prefill the form howver you like. This is much
more reliable, but more importantly, it's much more user-friendly.

Hope that helps.

Chris


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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Sat May 10 14:33:49 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:33:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Named parameters
In-Reply-To: <200305092233.h49MWWvZ098239@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305092233.h49MWWvZ098239@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p0521020bbae2e13235c4@[192.168.0.2]>

Thanks Adam and Brent,

The pointer to extract is a good one. And Adam, I feel a shame that I 
didn't check the Recipe 6.4 in the PHP Cookbook, especially when your 
book sit on my desk all day long. (for the others that don't  have 
the book, you can6 download the recipies here: 
<http://examples.oreilly.com/phpckbk/>)

I came up with my own version combining extract () and the spirit of 
Adam's recipe (clearly identified parameters).

function formatItem ( $args ) {
   $argsDefault = array (
           'title' => date ('r'),
           'link' => "http://blog.scriptdigital.com",
           'description' => "Whatever...",
           'category' =>  "Out of the box");

     extract ($argsDefault, EXTR_PREFIX_ALL, 'arg');
     extract ($args, EXTR_PREFIX_ALL, 'arg');

     $item = "";
     $item .= "<title>$arg_title</title>\
";
     $item .= "<link>$arg_link</link>\
";
     $item .= "<description>$arg_description</description>\
";
     $item .= "<category>$arg_category</category>\
";

     return $item;

}

$rssItem = array (
       'link' => "http://apple.com",
       'description' => "Apple web site.");

$rssItem = formatItem ( $rssItem );
echo $rssItem;

-->
<title>Sat, 10 May 2003 14:19:42 -0400</title>
<link>http://apple.com</link>
<description>Apple web site.</description>
<category>Out of the box</category>


Look nice?

Cheers
-Emmanuel


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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Sat May 10 15:02:32 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 15:02:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Named parameters
In-Reply-To: <200305101840.h4AIdovX030131@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305101840.h4AIdovX030131@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p0521020cbae2fb6158ae@[192.168.0.2]>

A cleaner way might be to use array_merge instead of extract because 
you can more easily return an arrray.

function sanitize ( $args ) {
   $argsDefault = array (
           'title' => date ('r'),
           'link' => "http://blog.scriptdigital.com",
           'description' => "Whatever...",
           'category' =>  "Out of the box");

     $args = array_merge ($argsDefault, $args);
     return $args;
}

$item = array (
       'link' => "http://apple.com",
       'description' => "Apple web site.");

$cleanItem = sanitize ( $item );

$xmlItem = "";
foreach ($cleanItem as $xmltag => $val) {
   $xmlItem .= "<$xmltag>$val</$xmltag>\
";
}

echo $xmlItem;

-->
<title>Sat, 10 May 2003 15:02:39 -0400</title>
<link>http://apple.com</link>
<description>Apple web site.</description>
<category>Out of the box</category>


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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Sun May 11 02:12:40 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 02:12:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Named parameters
In-Reply-To: <200305101903.h4AJ2fwd031311@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305110210110.16271-100000@miranda.org>

On Sat, 10 May 2003, Emmanuel. M. Decarie wrote:

> $cleanItem = sanitize ( $item );
> 
> $xmlItem = "";
> foreach ($cleanItem as $xmltag => $val) {
>    $xmlItem .= "<$xmltag>$val</$xmltag>\
";
> }

Yes, I was going to suggest something like this instead because it
allows you to alter the array of items and without needing to update
the rest of the code.

-adam

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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Sun May 11 13:29:04 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:29:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Named parameters
In-Reply-To: <200305110613.h4B6CivX042116@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305110613.h4B6CivX042116@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p0521020fbae4388fb039@[192.168.0.2]>

Hello,

I posted a mini howto on the question on named paremeters on my blog 
inspired by this thread.

<http://blog.scriptdigital.com/index.php?entry=/PHP/namedparams.html>

Cheers
-Emmanuel
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From jfreeman at amnh.org  Sun May 11 21:29:15 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 21:29:15 -0400
Subject: next challenge
Message-ID: <BAE4712B.B982%jfreeman@amnh.org>

I have built a database with about 12 tables

I have a <form></form> which is long-ish but not so long that it HAS to be
broken up into multiple pages.

The problem is, on submit, I need different form values to be submitted to
different tables in the database.  How do I build an insert statement like
that?

Also... people are supposed to be able to upload an image with this project.
I think best practices call for storing the image in a file and using php to
create a link to that image which gets stored as a text 'url' in the
database associated with the record it needs to show up in...

How is *this* accomplished?  *this* being... asking for someone to somehow
insert the local image path and then, on submit, moving the image to the
right place on the server and creating the 'url' that goes into the database
and putting it in the database?

Thanks for any pointers...

Cheers,

J.




From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Sun May 11 21:52:24 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 21:52:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next challenge
In-Reply-To: <200305120130.h4C1TJvf060778@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305120130.h4C1TJvf060778@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <12675-46010@sneakemail.com>

Hi Joshua,

The inserts can be broken apart into different tables by using different 
sql queries.  For example:
$sql[0] = "insert into table1 values ($_POST[1],$_POST[2])";
$sql[1] = "insert into table2 values ($_POST[3],$_POST[4])";

$res[0] = mysql_query($sql[0]);
$res[1] = mysql_query($sql[1]);

As for file upload - I would recommend checking out 
http://www.php.net/manual/en/features.file-upload.php for some great, 
secure examples.  As a caveat, nota bene that you need to use the <input 
type="file"> form field and make sure the form type is set to 
enctype="multipart/form-data".

+gadhra+


Joshua S. Freeman jfreeman-at-amnh.org |NY PHP| wrote:

>I have built a database with about 12 tables
>
>I have a <form></form> which is long-ish but not so long that it HAS to be
>broken up into multiple pages.
>
>The problem is, on submit, I need different form values to be submitted to
>different tables in the database.  How do I build an insert statement like
>that?
>
>Also... people are supposed to be able to upload an image with this project.
>I think best practices call for storing the image in a file and using php to
>create a link to that image which gets stored as a text 'url' in the
>database associated with the record it needs to show up in...
>
>How is *this* accomplished?  *this* being... asking for someone to somehow
>insert the local image path and then, on submit, moving the image to the
>right place on the server and creating the 'url' that goes into the database
>and putting it in the database?
>
>Thanks for any pointers...
>
>Cheers,
>
>J.
>
>
>
>
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>
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From shiflett at php.net  Sun May 11 22:00:04 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 19:00:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next challenge
In-Reply-To: <200305120130.h4C1TJvb060778@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030512020004.12159.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at amnh.org> wrote:
> The problem is, on submit, I need different form values to be
> submitted to different tables in the database. How do I build
> an insert statement like that?

You use more than one insert statement.

> Also... people are supposed to be able to upload an image with
> this project. I think best practices call for storing the image
> in a file and using php to create a link to that image which gets
> stored as a text 'url' in the database associated with the record
> it needs to show up in...

Just write the images to the filesystem somewhere under document root (in an
images directory perhaps), then you can store either the relative or absolute
URL in the database. That makes it very convenient to display the images,
because you simply use the value in the database as the value of the href
attribute of your anchor tag.

> How is *this* accomplished?  *this* being... asking for someone
> to somehow insert the local image path and then, on submit, moving
> the image to the right place on the server and creating the 'url'
> that goes into the database and putting it in the database?

Well, you don't really "create" a URL. When you write a file within document
root, it is available via HTTP. For example, if your document root is
/usr/local/apache/htdocs, and you write a file in
/usr/local/apache/htdocs/images/foo.png, that image is available, and your
relative URL would be /images/foo.png.

As far as the form field you want to use, just try <input type="file">. Then,
check the $_FILE[] array upon submission, and you'll get an idea about what you
need to do. If you need help writing the file, just search the online manual.

Hope that helps.

Chris


> 
> Thanks for any pointers...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> J.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 



From shiflett at php.net  Sun May 11 22:05:52 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 19:05:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next challenge
In-Reply-To: <200305120200.h4C207vb062752@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030512020552.89799.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>

> That makes it very convenient to display the images, because you
> simply use the value in the database as the value of the href
> attribute of your anchor tag.

In case it wasn't obvious, I meant image tag here, not anchor tag.

Chris


From smanes at magpie.com  Sun May 11 22:09:32 2003
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:09:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next challenge
In-Reply-To: <200305120130.h4C1TJsn060778@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305120130.h4C1TJsn060778@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EBF025C.8090307@magpie.com>

Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
  > The problem is, on submit, I need different form values to be 
submitted to
> different tables in the database.  How do I build an insert statement like
> that?

You can't.  You need to build lots of insert statements, ideally wrapped 
in a transaction so you can roll back in case one of them fails.

> How is *this* accomplished?  *this* being... asking for someone to somehow
> insert the local image path and then, on submit, moving the image to the
> right place on the server and creating the 'url' that goes into the database
> and putting it in the database?

You definitely don't want to write to user-provided directories.  There 
are a number of solutions, one of them something I've done for years and 
what we do at CCI as well.  Assign a unique id to the image, convert 
that id to an MD5 hash, breaking it out into two or three nodes like 
957/ae1.  Then you would write the image to 
IMAGE_DIR/957/ae1/IMAGE_ID.gif (or whatever extension).

To play it back to the user's browser:

<?php
     $hash_string  = md5($image_id);
     $node1 = substr($hash_string, 0, 3);
     $node2 = substr($hash_string, 3, 3)
     $image_ref = IMAGE_DIR . "/$node1/$node2/${image_id}.gif";
?>

     <IMG SRC="<?= $image_ref ?>" BORDER="0">;

An added advantage to this approach is that it balances out the image 
directory tree naturally so you don't have ten zillion files in the 
"Jan" directory and only a few in the "Feb" directory.






From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Mon May 12 08:03:48 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:03:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next challenge
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D71@USA1370MS1>

Make sure you use relative path to image, as opposed to server path or URL.
This way you will have greater flexibility later on, also you don't have to
store so much redundant informaiton.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org]
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 9:29 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next challenge


I have built a database with about 12 tables

I have a <form></form> which is long-ish but not so long that it HAS to be
broken up into multiple pages.

The problem is, on submit, I need different form values to be submitted to
different tables in the database.  How do I build an insert statement like
that?

Also... people are supposed to be able to upload an image with this project.
I think best practices call for storing the image in a file and using php to
create a link to that image which gets stored as a text 'url' in the
database associated with the record it needs to show up in...

How is *this* accomplished?  *this* being... asking for someone to somehow
insert the local image path and then, on submit, moving the image to the
right place on the server and creating the 'url' that goes into the database
and putting it in the database?

Thanks for any pointers...

Cheers,

J.




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From webmaster at localnotion.com  Mon May 12 08:23:02 2003
From: webmaster at localnotion.com (webmaster at localnotion.com)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:23:02 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
In-Reply-To: <200305091643.h49Ghbsb082808@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305091643.h49Ghbsb082808@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1052742182.b69dc9b260a2b@webmail.localnotion.com>

I have never used ASP.net, but for the record, the programmer would write the 
application in Jscript and it would be compiled into the CLR which would run on 
the server, not the client.
Why? is another story. I guess the MS market research department did a study 
and found out there were a bunch of javascripters who refused to learn a server-
side language.
But really, the concept of writing in any language and having it work with 
other programmer's code written in a different language is at least interesting.







Quoting "Vanmosel, Arno" <Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com>:

> Sorry ... I replied to the wrong subject in the mailing.
> 
> You see ... that's how funny this article by Microsoft actualy is.... I lost
> total control over myself! lmao
> 
> --- Original sent ---
> 
> 
> Hehehehe ....
> This is just to funny!
> 
> "JScript" ... didn't even see that one!
> Client side scripting is supported by .NET ... no shit Sherlock!
> 
> And it better support your own languages too ... Wouldn't it be funny
> is .NET did not support VB .NET? It's like PHP not supporting ...
> well ... mod-php.
> 
> What is next?  hehehehe
> 
> Thanks Hans ... I needed a good laugh.
> 
> Arno
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 





From dkrook at hotmail.com  Mon May 12 09:47:14 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:47:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
Message-ID: <BAY2-F83UTOS8vu6N580000b070@hotmail.com>

JScript/JavaScript has actually been a server-side language for sometime, in 
various servers.

The old Netscape servers used to support it, and it's always been an option 
- along with the default VBScript - in ASP.  There was even an option to use 
PerlScript in IIS, I believe.


>
>I have never used ASP.net, but for the record, the programmer would write 
>the
>application in Jscript and it would be compiled into the CLR which would 
>run on
>the server, not the client.
>Why? is another story. I guess the MS market research department did a 
>study
>and found out there were a bunch of javascripters who refused to learn a 
>server-
>side language.

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From dsexton at ubspw.com  Mon May 12 09:56:12 2003
From: dsexton at ubspw.com (Sexton, David)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:56:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next challenge
Message-ID: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789DFF@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>

Another thing you may want to consider is renaming the uploaded file to a
unique value, like the value of time(). This will prevent multiple images
uploaded with the same name from overwriting each other. You should also
make sure you build some kind of check on the filetype to stop users from
uploading unsupported of malicious types.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:shiflett at php.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:06 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] next challenge


> That makes it very convenient to display the images, because you
> simply use the value in the database as the value of the href
> attribute of your anchor tag.

In case it wasn't obvious, I meant image tag here, not anchor tag.

Chris


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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Mon May 12 13:07:20 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:07:20 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework? JS/Perl
References: <200305121347.h4CDlIsJ077551@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <008301c318a8$f38248c0$6600a8c0@Townsend>

Maybe a dumb question but wouldn't it be true that any open language could
really be integrated with PHP (either via module or otherwise) ... I mean
there is open Spidermonkey for JS and Perl dll (perl58.dll) could be
integrated correct?  I personally find the word "support" to be the most
broadest term in technology and if someone were to ask Gates what .Net
supports you know he would come out with a Bill Clinton tounge saying "Well
that depends on what your definition of "support" is" ...

Id find it true that if you could shell_exec in any language, everything
under the sun is supported until your favorite .dll or .so comes along :-)
Which would probably make "framework" the 2nd broadest term in technology
...

- Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "D C Krook" <dkrook at hotmail.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 6:47 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?


> JScript/JavaScript has actually been a server-side language for sometime,
in
> various servers.
>
> The old Netscape servers used to support it, and it's always been an
option
> - along with the default VBScript - in ASP.  There was even an option to
use
> PerlScript in IIS, I believe.
>
>
> >
> >I have never used ASP.net, but for the record, the programmer would write
> >the
> >application in Jscript and it would be compiled into the CLR which would
> >run on
> >the server, not the client.
> >Why? is another story. I guess the MS market research department did a
> >study
> >and found out there were a bunch of javascripters who refused to learn a
> >server-
> >side language.
>
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From rob at nyc.yamaha.com  Mon May 12 11:46:24 2003
From: rob at nyc.yamaha.com (rob at nyc.yamaha.com)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:46:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next challenge
In-Reply-To: <200305120200.h4C207tx062752@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EBF8990.2542.18C85A4C@localhost>

On 11 May 2003 at 22:00, Chris Shiflett wrote:

> --- "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at amnh.org> wrote:
> As far as the form field you want to use, just try <input type="file">. Then,
> check the $_FILE[] array upon submission, and you'll get an idea about what you
> need to do. If you need help writing the file, just search the online manual.

Don't forget that if you're uploading files through a form, you must include enctype or 
encoding as an attribute of the form tag.  This can be a big "gotcha" for file uploads.

-Rob



From ivan.nyphp at tumanov.com  Mon May 12 12:17:24 2003
From: ivan.nyphp at tumanov.com (Ivan Tumanov)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:17:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
In-Reply-To: <200305121223.h4CCNGwp075649@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <CAEAJCODAHLAGNMJOLDHEEDJEMAA.ivan.nyphp@tumanov.com>

Well, lets not get carried away over flaming ASP.NET here, the platform
definitely has some advantages and it doesn't hurt to know what it has to
offer.  Microsoft propaganda obviously isn't the best source for learning
about the platform :)

ASP.NET has a collection of controls that automate what they've dubbed
"post-back".  Basically a form can make round-trips to the server by posting
itself using Javascript (or the subset MS has decided to call JScript) when
values change, when things are clicked, etc.  Also, these web controls can
be set to automatically generate JScript code to verify values, do a popup
to alert the user to invalid value range, etc.  So that's what I believe
they're referring to - the ability to generate client JScript code to do
perform some pretty complicated client-side behavior.

I think what we can learn from that as PHP programmers is that there is a
place for doing a "post-back" to the server, and that we can develop similar
"controls" that will make it easier for us to write client-side validation
(among other things) code.  In fact, I'm sure there is tons of code already
available to do this - so the MS article is definitely off-center in its
"objective" comparison of the two platforms.

-----Original Message-----
From: webmaster at localnotion.com [mailto:webmaster at localnotion.com]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:23 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?


I have never used ASP.net, but for the record, the programmer would write
the
application in Jscript and it would be compiled into the CLR which would run
on
the server, not the client.
Why? is another story. I guess the MS market research department did a study
and found out there were a bunch of javascripters who refused to learn a
server-
side language.
But really, the concept of writing in any language and having it work with
other programmer's code written in a different language is at least
interesting.







Quoting "Vanmosel, Arno" <Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com>:

> Sorry ... I replied to the wrong subject in the mailing.
>
> You see ... that's how funny this article by Microsoft actualy is.... I
lost
> total control over myself! lmao
>
> --- Original sent ---
>
>
> Hehehehe ....
> This is just to funny!
>
> "JScript" ... didn't even see that one!
> Client side scripting is supported by .NET ... no shit Sherlock!
>
> And it better support your own languages too ... Wouldn't it be funny
> is .NET did not support VB .NET? It's like PHP not supporting ...
> well ... mod-php.
>
> What is next?  hehehehe
>
> Thanks Hans ... I needed a good laugh.
>
> Arno
>
>
>
>
>
>
>





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From chris at psydeshow.org  Mon May 12 12:31:09 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:31:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
In-Reply-To: <200305121617.h4CGGMv9084330@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305121617.h4CGGMv9084330@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EBFCC4D.8080003@psydeshow.org>

Ivan Tumanov wrote:

>ASP.NET has a collection of controls that automate what they've dubbed
>"post-back".  Basically a form can make round-trips to the server by posting
>itself using Javascript (or the subset MS has decided to call JScript) when
>values change, when things are clicked, etc.  Also, these web controls can
>be set to automatically generate JScript code to verify values, do a popup
>to alert the user to invalid value range, etc.  So that's what I believe
>they're referring to - the ability to generate client JScript code to do
>perform some pretty complicated client-side behavior.
>
Is this how they do that wicked file upload thing where you can actually 
view the progress of a multipart form submission? Or is it something 
internal to IIS?

I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out some way of showing 
file upload progress that isn't just the browser's status bar.

    chris.



From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Mon May 12 10:35:20 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:35:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D77@USA1370MS1>

"But really, the concept of writing in any language and having it work with 
other programmer's code written in a different language is at least
interesting."

This is nothing new.  It is a rehash of ideas (surprise) that has been
around for decades, i.e., CORBA, and now Web Services.  As a person who has
used both technologies, I can say, save yourself 50% of your time by
switching from ASP to PHP, and save another 50% by stop writing code for
NS4.  :-P


-----Original Message-----
From: webmaster at localnotion.com [mailto:webmaster at localnotion.com]
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:23 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?


I have never used ASP.net, but for the record, the programmer would write
the 
application in Jscript and it would be compiled into the CLR which would run
on 
the server, not the client.
Why? is another story. I guess the MS market research department did a study

and found out there were a bunch of javascripters who refused to learn a
server-
side language.
But really, the concept of writing in any language and having it work with 
other programmer's code written in a different language is at least
interesting.







Quoting "Vanmosel, Arno" <Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com>:

> Sorry ... I replied to the wrong subject in the mailing.
> 
> You see ... that's how funny this article by Microsoft actualy is.... I
lost
> total control over myself! lmao
> 
> --- Original sent ---
> 
> 
> Hehehehe ....
> This is just to funny!
> 
> "JScript" ... didn't even see that one!
> Client side scripting is supported by .NET ... no shit Sherlock!
> 
> And it better support your own languages too ... Wouldn't it be funny
> is .NET did not support VB .NET? It's like PHP not supporting ...
> well ... mod-php.
> 
> What is next?  hehehehe
> 
> Thanks Hans ... I needed a good laugh.
> 
> Arno
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





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From max at idsociety.com  Mon May 12 13:39:51 2003
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:39:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
In-Reply-To: <200305090301.h4931Arl042022@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305090301.h4931Arl042022@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EBFDC67.8060402@idsociety.com>

From: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Regexp.html


[[:<:]]
[[:>:]]
These match the null string at the beginning and end of a word
respectively. A word is defined as a sequence of word characters which
is neither preceded nor followed by word characters. A word character is
an alnum character (as defined by ctype(3)) or an underscore (_).
mysql> SELECT "a word a" REGEXP "[[:<:]]word[[:>:]]";      -> 1
mysql> SELECT "a xword a" REGEXP "[[:<:]]word[[:>:]]";     -> 0

You can do SELECT * WHERE DE_sDescription REGEX "[[:<:]]ford[[:>:]]";

Not sure how the speed would compare, but it may be faster.

-Max

Jeff wrote:
> This question concerns how to format a "WHERE" clause so that it only
> finds those records that have a particular word buried within the text.
> For example, if my WHERE clause has "DE_sDescription LIKE "%ford%" it
> will return records that have the word "affordable" in the description
> field. But if I remove the wild cards, then it doesn't find those
> records that may have the word "ford" buried within a text (the text
> runs 500 characters at the max).
>
> Any pointers would be *greatly* appreciated.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Mon May 12 16:19:46 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:19:46 -0400
Subject: IIS: $_SERVER & referer
Message-ID: <p05210206bae5aa8e9d33@[192.168.0.2]>

PHP Version 4.2.2
Windows NT 5.0

Hello,

I'm working for a client that have the configuration above.

It seems that the $_SERVER global is not created and so I can't use 
for example $_SERVER['PHP_SELF ']. No big deal since I can get the 
same info with getenv('SCRIPT_NAME').

I can ask the client to make modifications to the server php.ini and 
I was wondering if there is something to do there.

I had a look here, but don't see any answers.
<http://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.php#reserved.variables.server>

Also, I'd like to find a way to get the referer. $_ENV is not 
available (variables_order doesn't contains 'E' in php.ini) but I 
doubt its a solution since I did some test with Perl listing all the 
environment variable and there is no referer variable that I can see.

I tried that in Perl:

#! perl -w

use CGI ':standard';

print header ('text/plain');
foreach $k (keys %ENV) {
	print "$k = $ENV{$k}\
";
}

and this (with CGI.pm): referer ().

without results.

The CGI Environment Variables defined on the following page doesn't 
seems to list a way to get the referer so I don't see how I could use 
getenv for that.
<http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/cgi/env.html>


TIA

Cheers
-Emmanuel
-- 
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Blog: <http://blog.scriptdigital.com> - AIM: scriptdigital



From nyphp at websapp.com  Mon May 12 16:43:00 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:43:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
In-Reply-To: <200305122021.h4CKKMxl093288@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPCELPEHAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Hi Emmanuel,

> for example $_SERVER['PHP_SELF ']. No big deal since I can get the

Is that a cut-and-paste from your code? There is an extra white space after
the F!
 $_SERVER['PHP_SELF '] should be  $_SERVER['PHP_SELF']


--Daniel




From emm at scriptdigital.com  Mon May 12 17:12:07 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:12:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
In-Reply-To: <200305122045.h4CKiLvX094320@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305122045.h4CKiLvX094320@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p05210207bae5bdd421e2@[192.168.0.2]>

Hello Daniel,

>  > for example $_SERVER['PHP_SELF ']. No big deal since I can get the
>
>Is that a cut-and-paste from your code? There is an extra white space after
>the F!
>  $_SERVER['PHP_SELF '] should be  $_SERVER['PHP_SELF']

Thanks for the sharp eyes, but in my code it was definitely 
$_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] with no space. I just did another test and still 
get this:

>Notice :  Undefined index:  PHP_SELF in...

I think I pasted $_SERVER['PHP_SELF '] from php.net, and somehow, 
Safari added a white space.

Cheers
-Emmanuel
-- 
______________________________________________________________________
Emmanuel D?carie / Programmation pour le Web - Programming for the Web
Radio UserLand/Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript  <http://scriptdigital.com/>
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From nyphp at websapp.com  Mon May 12 17:18:14 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:18:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
In-Reply-To: <200305122115.h4CLElxl095684@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPCEMDEHAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Emmanuel,

Have you got a public phpinfo() you could share?

--Daniel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emmanuel. M. Decarie [mailto:emm at scriptdigital.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 5:15 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
>
>
> Hello Daniel,
>
> >  > for example $_SERVER['PHP_SELF ']. No big deal since I can get the
> >
> >Is that a cut-and-paste from your code? There is an extra white
> space after
> >the F!
> >  $_SERVER['PHP_SELF '] should be  $_SERVER['PHP_SELF']
>
> Thanks for the sharp eyes, but in my code it was definitely
> $_SERVER['PHP_SELF'] with no space. I just did another test and still
> get this:
>
> >Notice :  Undefined index:  PHP_SELF in...
>
> I think I pasted $_SERVER['PHP_SELF '] from php.net, and somehow,
> Safari added a white space.
>
> Cheers
> -Emmanuel
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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Mon May 12 17:36:38 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:36:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
In-Reply-To: <200305122121.h4CLKZvX096514@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305122121.h4CLKZvX096514@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p05210208bae5c3e78e49@[192.168.0.2]>

>Emmanuel,
>
>Have you got a public phpinfo() you could share?
>
>--Daniel

Sure, thanks for taking the time to have a look at my client php.ini.

<http://scriptdigital.com/test/phpinfowin.html>

I copied the file from the client server, deleted some sensitive 
stuff and uploaded it to my server.

Cheers
-Emmanuel
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Mon May 12 18:21:24 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:21:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
In-Reply-To: <200305122021.h4CKKMu1093288@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030512222124.45125.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Emmanuel. M. Decarie" <emm at scriptdigital.com> wrote:
> PHP Version 4.2.2
> Windows NT 5.0
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I'm working for a client that have the configuration above.
> 
> It seems that the $_SERVER global is not created and so I can't use 
> for example $_SERVER['PHP_SELF ']. No big deal since I can get the 
> same info with getenv('SCRIPT_NAME').

What about getenv('PHP_SELF');  or print_r($_SERVER); or var_dump($_SERVER); 
any sign of PHP_SELF?

> I can ask the client to make modifications to the server php.ini and 
> I was wondering if there is something to do there.
> 
> I had a look here, but don't see any answers.
>
<http://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.php#reserved.variables.server>

Perhaps a variables_order issue?

> Also, I'd like to find a way to get the referer. $_ENV is not 
> available (variables_order doesn't contains 'E' in php.ini) but I 
> doubt its a solution since I did some test with Perl listing all the 
> environment variable and there is no referer variable that I can see.
> 
> I tried that in Perl:
> 
> #! perl -w
> 
> use CGI ':standard';
> 
> print header ('text/plain');
> foreach $k (keys %ENV) {
> 	print "$k = $ENV{$k}\
";
> }
> 
> and this (with CGI.pm): referer ().
> 
> without results.
> 
> The CGI Environment Variables defined on the following page doesn't 
> seems to list a way to get the referer so I don't see how I could use 
> getenv for that.
> <http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/cgi/env.html>

The referer should be set; that is if the browser sent it previously.  I'm on
shakey ground here with IIS, but perhaps an upgrade of PHP (especially
concerning IIS, as I think there's been a lot of improvements in the
multithreaded environments).  A check that IIS isn't configured strangely,
too?

H




From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Mon May 12 18:23:10 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 18:23:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
In-Reply-To: <200305122139.h4CLchvf097469@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305122139.h4CLchvf097469@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <22549-60912@sneakemail.com>

I see you have your variables_order as GPC.  I think you need to add an 
"E" (ie. EGPC) to the php.ini file to read in the environment variables 
(look for the variables_order flag).

+gadhra+(/s)

Emmanuel. M. Decarie emm-at-scriptdigital.com |NY PHP| wrote:

>>Emmanuel,
>>
>>Have you got a public phpinfo() you could share?
>>
>>--Daniel
>>    
>>
>
>Sure, thanks for taking the time to have a look at my client php.ini.
>
><http://scriptdigital.com/test/phpinfowin.html>
>
>I copied the file from the client server, deleted some sensitive 
>stuff and uploaded it to my server.
>
>Cheers
>-Emmanuel
>  
>



From emm at scriptdigital.com  Mon May 12 18:52:22 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 18:52:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
In-Reply-To: <200305122222.h4CMLQvX098948@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305122222.h4CMLQvX098948@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p0521020abae5d4ba7fc5@[192.168.0.2]>


Hello Hans,

>What about getenv('PHP_SELF');

Didn't think of this, but its not working too.

>  or print_r($_SERVER); or var_dump($_SERVER);
>any sign of PHP_SELF?

Nope, I have tried all that, and it always return an empty array.

>  > I can ask the client to make modifications to the server php.ini and
>>  I was wondering if there is something to do there.
>>
>>  I had a look here, but don't see any answers.
>>
><http://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.php#reserved.variables.server>
>
>Perhaps a variables_order issue?

Hmm, not sure I understand what you are saying here.  Do you mean 
that I have to add 'E' to the variables_order. Is the environment is 
somehow related? The PHP says that its better not to set 'E' for 
optimal performance.

>  > The CGI Environment Variables defined on the following page doesn't
>>  seems to list a way to get the referer so I don't see how I could use
>>  getenv for that.
>>  <http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/cgi/env.html>
>
>The referer should be set; that is if the browser sent it previously.  I'm on
>shakey ground here with IIS, but perhaps an upgrade of PHP (especially
>concerning IIS, as I think there's been a lot of improvements in the
>multithreaded environments).  A check that IIS isn't configured strangely,
>too?

Well, I think an upgrade of PHP is out of the question. I don't have 
any control on the server, and the sysop is extra cautious. And for 
IIS, I don't know what to say because my knowledge of this beast is 
almost zero. I wish they ran PHP on Linux or FreeBSD.

Thanks anyway for your help.

Cheers
-Emmanuel
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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Mon May 12 18:54:03 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 18:54:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
In-Reply-To: <200305122224.h4CMNVvX099695@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305122224.h4CMNVvX099695@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p0521020bbae5d62bd64f@[192.168.0.2]>

>I see you have your variables_order as GPC.  I think you need to add an
>"E" (ie. EGPC) to the php.ini file to read in the environment variables
>(look for the variables_order flag).
>
>+gadhra+(/s)

Yes, thanks gadhra, but as I said in a previous post, even Perl can 
list an environment variable for the referer, and my understanding is 
that the $_SERVER global is not related to $_ENV.

Cheers
-Emmanuel
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From gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com  Mon May 12 20:06:40 2003
From: gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com (George Webb)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:06:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
Message-ID: <200305130006.h4D06e4u010006@gw00.com>

Hi Emmanuel.

	It sounds like your server config is not showing you all
the useful variables, but I just wanted to make sure you already
checked the following general HTTP issue:

	Web pages only have "referers" when a previous document
hyperlinked to them.  If you just type the URL of your web page
into a web browser, there won't actually be a referer, because no 
other (previous) page referred to it.  In this case the referer
variable is either unset, blank, or perhaps just a hyphen (this
is what the Apache logs seem to use).

	For testing purposes, you can create a short HTML page
which just hyperlinks to your web (PHP or Perl) page.  Then, your
PHP or Perl script will show the URL of the short HTML page as
the "referer."

	So make sure your PHP/Perl page really does have a "referer" 
before you start blaming PHP or IIS for not showing it to you!


Best, George.

George Webb
gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com


From zaunere at yahoo.com  Mon May 12 20:08:39 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 17:08:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
In-Reply-To: <200305122257.h4CMtqu1011061@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030513000839.4797.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Emmanuel. M. Decarie" <emm at scriptdigital.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Hans,
> 
> >What about getenv('PHP_SELF');
> 
> Didn't think of this, but its not working too.
> 
> >  or print_r($_SERVER); or var_dump($_SERVER);
> >any sign of PHP_SELF?
> 
> Nope, I have tried all that, and it always return an empty array.
> 
> >  > I can ask the client to make modifications to the server php.ini and
> >>  I was wondering if there is something to do there.
> >>
> >>  I had a look here, but don't see any answers.
> >>
>
><http://www.php.net/manual/en/reserved.variables.php#reserved.variables.server>
> >
> >Perhaps a variables_order issue?
> 
> Hmm, not sure I understand what you are saying here.  Do you mean 
> that I have to add 'E' to the variables_order. Is the environment is 
> somehow related? The PHP says that its better not to set 'E' for 
> optimal performance.

Ahh, my mistake; I was leaning towards 'S'

If I remember correctly from your phpinfo output, variables_order was set
only to GPC.  Give GPCS a shot, which may at least get a bit closer to
resolving why $_SERVER is empty.

> >  > The CGI Environment Variables defined on the following page doesn't
> >>  seems to list a way to get the referer so I don't see how I could use
> >>  getenv for that.
> >>  <http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/cgi/env.html>
> >
> >The referer should be set; that is if the browser sent it previously.  I'm
> on
> >shakey ground here with IIS, but perhaps an upgrade of PHP (especially
> >concerning IIS, as I think there's been a lot of improvements in the
> >multithreaded environments).  A check that IIS isn't configured strangely,
> >too?
> 
> Well, I think an upgrade of PHP is out of the question. I don't have 
> any control on the server, and the sysop is extra cautious. And for 
> IIS, I don't know what to say because my knowledge of this beast is 
> almost zero. I wish they ran PHP on Linux or FreeBSD.

Don't we all  :)

But it may be worth pushing for it a bit; older PHP on Windows (especially
under IIS) is typically a Bad Thing from what I hear, but as you mentioned,
IIS is uncharted terroritory for me as well.

Best of luck,

H



From gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com  Mon May 12 20:25:10 2003
From: gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com (George Webb)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:25:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
Message-ID: <200305130025.h4D0PAan010034@gw00.com>

... also, note that there are two ways to spell "referrer"
(referer and referrer).  Probably only one of them is correct
in any given situation.


George Webb
gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com


From emm at scriptdigital.com  Mon May 12 20:47:29 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 20:47:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
In-Reply-To: <200305130007.h4D06hvX022319@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305130007.h4D06hvX022319@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p0521020dbae5ee908e0d@[192.168.0.2]>

Hello George,

I did this test also before posting but from apple.com and other 
website. Then I thought that the staging server is behind a firewall. 
So I did exactly what you suggested and now its working with 
getenv('HTTP_REFERER').

So, to make a story short, I can get the referer/referrer :) when I'm 
in the firewall, but from outside the firewall, I get nothing which 
is a bummer.

Thanks for your help.

>	It sounds like your server config is not showing you all
>the useful variables, but I just wanted to make sure you already
>checked the following general HTTP issue:
>
>	Web pages only have "referers" when a previous document
>hyperlinked to them.  If you just type the URL of your web page
>into a web browser, there won't actually be a referer, because no
>other (previous) page referred to it.  In this case the referer
>variable is either unset, blank, or perhaps just a hyphen (this
>is what the Apache logs seem to use).
>
>	For testing purposes, you can create a short HTML page
>which just hyperlinks to your web (PHP or Perl) page.  Then, your
>PHP or Perl script will show the URL of the short HTML page as
>the "referer."
>
>	So make sure your PHP/Perl page really does have a "referer"
>before you start blaming PHP or IIS for not showing it to you!
>
>Best, George.

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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Mon May 12 21:06:47 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 21:06:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
In-Reply-To: <200305130009.h4D08hvX023062@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305130009.h4D08hvX023062@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p0521020ebae5f1362cae@[192.168.0.2]>

Hi again Hans,

>  > >Perhaps a variables_order issue?
>>
>>  Hmm, not sure I understand what you are saying here.  Do you mean
>>  that I have to add 'E' to the variables_order. Is the environment is
>>  somehow related? The PHP says that its better not to set 'E' for
>>  optimal performance.
>
>Ahh, my mistake; I was leaning towards 'S'
>
>If I remember correctly from your phpinfo output, variables_order was set
>only to GPC.  Give GPCS a shot, which may at least get a bit closer to
>resolving why $_SERVER is empty.

Off course. I feel such like a fool! Well, in fact, I was not sure 
where to look.

>variables_order string
>
>Set the order of the EGPCS (Environment, GET, POST, Cookie, 
>Server) variable parsing. The default setting of this 
>directive is "EGPCS". Setting this to "GP", for example, 
>will cause PHP to completely ignore environment variables, 
>cookies and server variables, and to overwrite any GET 
>method variables with POST-method variables of the same name.
<http://www.php.net/manual/en/configuration.directives.php#AEN2484>

>But it may be worth pushing for it a bit; older PHP on Windows (especially
>under IIS) is typically a Bad Thing from what I hear, but as you mentioned,
>IIS is uncharted terroritory for me as well.

Well, I will ask first the sysop to make a modification to the 
variables_order in the php.ini and put 'GPCS', then, well, as they 
say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it :).

Thanks for your help and suggestions.

Cheers
-Emmanuel
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From agfische at email.smith.edu  Mon May 12 22:00:37 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:00:37 -0400
Subject: install recommendations
Message-ID: <sec0199d.099@EMAIL.SMITH.EDU>

Hi all,

I am setting up a machine with AMP.  From what I have read I am thinking
that the following is the setup that I should install:

Apache 2.0.45
MySQL 4.0
PHP 4.3.1

I'd like some feedback to know if I am on the right track.

Thx!

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Aaron Fischer
Web & Systems Specialist

Office of Admission
Smith College
Phone:  (413) 585-4899
E-mail:   agfischer at smith.edu



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May 12 22:06:19 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:06:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install recommendations
In-Reply-To: <200305130201.h4D213nn027678@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305130201.h4D213nn027678@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030513020619.GA7982@panix.com>

Hi Aaron:

> Apache 2.0.45

I'd go with 1.3.27.  Very solid.

--Dan

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From shiflett at php.net  Mon May 12 22:06:22 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:06:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] install recommendations
In-Reply-To: <200305130201.h4D213vb027678@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030513020622.54826.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Aaron Fischer <agfische at email.smith.edu> wrote:
> I am setting up a machine with AMP.
...
> Apache 2.0.45
...
> I'd like some feedback to know if I am on the right track.

I would recommend the latest Apache 1.3.x instead, especially since you plan on
building it with PHP.

Chris


From agfische at email.smith.edu  Mon May 12 22:40:22 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:40:22 -0400
Subject: apache 1.3.27 install
Message-ID: <sec022f2.023@EMAIL.SMITH.EDU>

Hhmm, on an XP machine I am unable to open the install file.  It doesn't
recognize the file type.  To top it off I am unable to see the file
extension on the install and a number of the other files.  (I do have my
setting in Windows Explorer to show all file types/extensions).

Any recommendations on how to proceed?

Thx,

Aaron


From mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com  Mon May 12 22:49:07 2003
From: mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com (DeWitt, Michael)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:49:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] apache 1.3.27 install
Message-ID: <BCF799A6B63DD411985D00805F9F903390B437@mail.alexcommgrp.com>

Aaron,

Which file are you trying to download and install?

I just tried the link for the apache 1.3.27 binary (MSI installer) and   
<<apache_1.3.27-win32-x86-no_src.msi.url>>  it worked for me.

off of this page

http://httpd.apache.org/download.cgi

Mike  

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Aaron Fischer [SMTP:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent:	Monday, May 12, 2003 10:41 PM
> To:	NYPHP Talk
> Subject:	[nycphp-talk] apache 1.3.27 install
> 
> Hhmm, on an XP machine I am unable to open the install file.  It doesn't
> recognize the file type.  To top it off I am unable to see the file
> extension on the install and a number of the other files.  (I do have my
> setting in Windows Explorer to show all file types/extensions).
> 
> Any recommendations on how to proceed?
> 
> Thx,
> 
> Aaron
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
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From agfische at email.smith.edu  Mon May 12 23:15:04 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:15:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] apache 1.3.27 install
Message-ID: <sec02b0f.030@EMAIL.SMITH.EDU>

Ugh, I was downloading the wrong file.  I was downloading the Source
file <<apache_1.3.27-win32-src.zip [PGP] [MD5]>>.  I would imagine
downloading the MSI installer file will help things a bit.

Thanks for your help!

Aaron

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Aaron Fischer
Web & Systems Specialist

Office of Admission
Smith College
Phone:  (413) 585-4899
E-mail:   agfischer at smith.edu

>>> mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com 05/12/03 22:49 PM >>>
<paralist>This message contained 1 file(s) and is available at
http://nyphp.org/list/paralist_archive.php?L_mid=5218</paralist>

Aaron,

Which file are you trying to download and install?

I just tried the link for the apache 1.3.27 binary (MSI installer) and  

<<apache_1.3.27-win32-x86-no_src.msi.url>>  it worked for me.

off of this page

http://httpd.apache.org/download.cgi

Mike  

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Aaron Fischer [SMTP:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent:	Monday, May 12, 2003 10:41 PM
> To:	NYPHP Talk
> Subject:	[nycphp-talk] apache 1.3.27 install
> 
> Hhmm, on an XP machine I am unable to open the install file.  It
doesn't
> recognize the file type.  To top it off I am unable to see the file
> extension on the install and a number of the other files.  (I do have
my
> setting in Windows Explorer to show all file types/extensions).
> 
> Any recommendations on how to proceed?
> 
> Thx,
> 
> Aaron
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From nyphp at enobrev.com  Tue May 13 00:35:22 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 00:35:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
In-Reply-To: <200305121631.h4CGVApx085231@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <00d601c31909$11718c00$e1951d18@enobrev>

Rebuttal:

http://blogs.phparch.com/index.php?m=200305#128

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Snyder [mailto:chris at psydeshow.org] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 12:31 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?


Ivan Tumanov wrote:

>ASP.NET has a collection of controls that automate what they've dubbed 
>"post-back".  Basically a form can make round-trips to the server by 
>posting itself using Javascript (or the subset MS has decided to call 
>JScript) when values change, when things are clicked, etc.  Also, these

>web controls can be set to automatically generate JScript code to 
>verify values, do a popup to alert the user to invalid value range, 
>etc.  So that's what I believe they're referring to - the ability to 
>generate client JScript code to do perform some pretty complicated 
>client-side behavior.
>
Is this how they do that wicked file upload thing where you can actually

view the progress of a multipart form submission? Or is it something 
internal to IIS?

I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out some way of showing 
file upload progress that isn't just the browser's status bar.

    chris.



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From webmaster at localnotion.com  Tue May 13 08:53:57 2003
From: webmaster at localnotion.com (webmaster at localnotion.com)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:53:57 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
In-Reply-To: <200305121719.h4CHIosb086680@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305121719.h4CHIosb086680@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1052830437.1dd7e40e318c5@webmail.localnotion.com>

> This is nothing new.  It is a rehash of ideas (surprise) that has been
> around for decades, i.e., CORBA, and now Web Services.  

True, but it is a different concept than web services. Rather than making 
distributed systems communicate, it is more like PHP, Javascript and Perl all 
being compiled and running together on a JVM.


Quoting "Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo" <Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com>:

> "But really, the concept of writing in any language and having it work with
> other programmer's code written in a different language is at least
> interesting."
> 
> This is nothing new.  It is a rehash of ideas (surprise) that has been
> around for decades, i.e., CORBA, and now Web Services.  As a person who has
> used both technologies, I can say, save yourself 50% of your time by
> switching from ASP to PHP, and save another 50% by stop writing code for
> NS4.  :-P
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: webmaster at localnotion.com [mailto:webmaster at localnotion.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:23 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] The PHP Framework?
> 
> 
> I have never used ASP.net, but for the record, the programmer would write
> the
> application in Jscript and it would be compiled into the CLR which would run
> on
> the server, not the client.
> Why? is another story. I guess the MS market research department did a study
> 
> and found out there were a bunch of javascripters who refused to learn a
> server-
> side language.
> But really, the concept of writing in any language and having it work with
> other programmer's code written in a different language is at least
> interesting.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting "Vanmosel, Arno" <Arno.Vanmosel at wwecorp.com>:
> 
> > Sorry ... I replied to the wrong subject in the mailing.
> >
> > You see ... that's how funny this article by Microsoft actualy is.... I
> lost
> > total control over myself! lmao
> >
> > --- Original sent ---
> >
> >
> > Hehehehe ....
> > This is just to funny!
> >
> > "JScript" ... didn't even see that one!
> > Client side scripting is supported by .NET ... no shit Sherlock!
> >
> > And it better support your own languages too ... Wouldn't it be funny
> > is .NET did not support VB .NET? It's like PHP not supporting ...
> > well ... mod-php.
> >
> > What is next?  hehehehe
> >
> > Thanks Hans ... I needed a good laugh.
> >
> > Arno
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Tue May 13 09:12:00 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:12:00 -0400
Subject: Java Chat Software
Message-ID: <000b01c31951$3d643a90$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Okay...so this ain't a PHP question. In discussions I've had with some
others I was told to stay away from PHP/MySQL based-chat (they'll be
enough going on with the site vis-a-vis PHP/MySQL that there is no
compelling reason to add chat to the list) and that I'd be better off
with something Java-based. I've briefly examined Volano Chat and Real
Chat. Just wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these
software items.

Jeff

See: http://www.volano.com
See: http://www.realchat.com



From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Tue May 13 09:38:47 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:38:47 -0400
Subject: Help displaying "funky" characters using PHP
Message-ID: <293580-220035213133847552@M2W081.mail2web.com>

<?= $vals[$index][attributes][QUESTION] ?>

The value of this 3-dim array displays just fine within my document,
unless, of course, the value contains "funky" (or foreign) characters, then
it comes across horribly scrambled.  

What do you recommend I do to ensure that the value comes across just fine?
For example:

if $vals[$index][attributes][QUESTION] = "What is your favorite part of
V&#228;lsignalandet?"  Then it comes across rather nastily onscreen when I
want to see "a-umlaut" with the rest of the lettering intact.  

Thanx
Phil

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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Tue May 13 09:56:29 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:56:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IIS: $_SERVER & referer
In-Reply-To: <200305130108.h4D186vX026156@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305130108.h4D186vX026156@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p0521021abae6a9c36e3e@[192.168.0.2]>

? (At) 21:08 -0400 12/05/03, Hans ?crivait (wrote) :
>  >Ahh, my mistake; I was leaning towards 'S'
>>
>>If I remember correctly from your phpinfo output, variables_order was set
>>only to GPC.  Give GPCS a shot, which may at least get a bit closer to
>>resolving why $_SERVER is empty.

Ok, the sysop made the changes and now its working!

Thanks all for the help.

Cheers
-Emmanuel
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Tue May 13 10:00:19 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 10:00:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question
In-Reply-To: <200305121740.h4CHdhuZ087702@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001901c31957$fd842190$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Thanks for the tip. I'm going to play around with this and see if this
improves the search.

-----Original Message-----
From: max goldberg [mailto:max at idsociety.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 12:40 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL WHERE clause question


From: http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Regexp.html


[[:<:]]
[[:>:]]
These match the null string at the beginning and end of a word
respectively. A word is defined as a sequence of word characters which
is neither preceded nor followed by word characters. A word character is
an alnum character (as defined by ctype(3)) or an underscore (_).
mysql> SELECT "a word a" REGEXP "[[:<:]]word[[:>:]]";      -> 1
mysql> SELECT "a xword a" REGEXP "[[:<:]]word[[:>:]]";     -> 0

You can do SELECT * WHERE DE_sDescription REGEX "[[:<:]]ford[[:>:]]";

Not sure how the speed would compare, but it may be faster.

-Max

Jeff wrote:
> This question concerns how to format a "WHERE" clause so that it only 
> finds those records that have a particular word buried within the 
> text. For example, if my WHERE clause has "DE_sDescription LIKE 
> "%ford%" it will return records that have the word "affordable" in the

> description field. But if I remove the wild cards, then it doesn't 
> find those records that may have the word "ford" buried within a text 
> (the text runs 500 characters at the max).
>
> Any pointers would be *greatly* appreciated.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>



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From EBaker at 4KidsEnt.com  Tue May 13 11:16:09 2003
From: EBaker at 4KidsEnt.com (Erik Baker)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 11:16:09 -0400
Subject: Forms & Refresh Question & General Form Security
Message-ID: <F1A298B653966043A0B8114139C5A1E614529D@exchsvr1.4kidsent.com>

Hey All,

I wanted to start by saying how useful I find these mailing lists.  Although
this is the first time that I'm submitting a question, I have found
following the threads from other people's questions very valuable as I move
into becoming an intermediate PHPer.

That said, I have a question regarding forms and protecting them against
browser refreshes.  I have written a PHP program that emails a user's
password to their registered email address upon request.  The main program
looks like this:

	//HARVEST VARIABLES
	$query_msg = $_POST['query_msg'];
	$login = $_POST['login'];
	$email = $_POST['email'];
	
	//MAIN
	if (!empty($query_msg) && $query_msg != 'Password Found') { #Skip
MySQL query first time form is called & after password found
		GetData();
	}

	$query_msg != 'Password Found' # Leave form only when successful
		? ShowForm() # Display the form
		: ShowSuccess($login,$email); # Show Success

~GetData() goes to a MySQL database and sets the global variable $query_msg
equal to 'Password Found' if a query on their login name or email matches,
and then sends an email to their address with their password.
~ShowForm() sets up an HTML form with either login or email passed (user's
submission choice) and sends along $query_msg with it as a hidden input
type.
~ShowSuccess() is a general message that displays when the password is
found.

The problem is that someone could tinker around to find a valid user name,
then keep hitting refresh and send dozens (or more) emails to that user.
GetData() is not skipped because a refresh brings back $query_msg from
$_POST (which is the previous value of $query_msg) and not the global
variable value of 'Password Found'.

Is there a way to set the variable directly in $_POST so that it will pass
back the a newer value upon refresh?  Or is there a way to have the program
call itself again and pass new POSTed variables?

***I realized setting this form up that there are probably a dozen other
ways a malicious user could try to break any form.  Does there exist
anywhere a "Safest Form Practices" document?  I'm sure there are other
security issues that I'm not aware of that need to be guarded against.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Erik


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue May 13 12:59:57 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:59:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help displaying "funky" characters using PHP
In-Reply-To: <200305131338.h4DDcann045206@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305131338.h4DDcann045206@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030513165957.GA29979@panix.com>

Hi Phil:

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 09:38:36AM -0400, soazine at pop.erols.com wrote:
> <?= $vals[$index][attributes][QUESTION] ?>

First off, regardless of the value stored in this array, put single quotes
around the static key names -- I assume attributes and QUESTION aren't
contants.  Also, I tend to always use <?php tag syntax to ensure 
operability on various systems.

  <?php= $vals[$index]['attributes']['QUESTION'] ?>


> if $vals[$index][attributes][QUESTION] = "What is your favorite part of
> V&#228;lsignalandet?"  Then it comes across rather nastily onscreen when I
> want to see "a-umlaut" with the rest of the lettering intact.  

Well, that has nothing to do with PHP or arrays.  It probably has more to
do with your web browser and fonts on your machine.  What do you mean by
"comes across rather nastily onscreen?"

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From nyphp at enobrev.com  Tue May 13 23:35:27 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 23:35:27 -0400
Subject: Executing script variable.
Message-ID: <040e01c319c9$dd4b8220$e1951d18@enobrev>

Good evening all...
 
I run my own DB class, which has it's own error handler for MYSQL
errors.  My problem is that whenever it spits out an error, I just get
the mysql error, which does a great job of describing the actaul sql
error, BUT... my issue is that my method requires a few includes.
 
SO, whenever I get my DB error, I never actually know which script the
error is coming from.  So.. the QUESTION:  Is there a variable, or a way
of formulating a variable, aside from settine a scriptname var at the
top of every file, that displays the file that the current class,
function, error, etc was called from?
 
Thanks!!!
 
Mark
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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Wed May 14 08:57:44 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:57:44 -0400
Subject: Creating multidimensional arrays
Message-ID: <p05210221bae7e9675959@[192.168.0.2]>

Hello,

I have this little function that work well for me, but I was 
wondering if it could be optimized. I use it to set the default value 
of checked radio buttons. Also, while doing this function, I 
discovered that PHP can autoinstantiate associative arrays in depth. 
For ex.

$ar = array ();
$ar['one']['two']['three'] = 'hello world';

echo $ar['one']['two']['three'];

--> hello world

I must say that PHP's array are one of the nicest feature of the language.

--------------------------------------------------------
Here's what it look inserted in the HTML page:
--------------------------------------------------------

<hr>
<form>
Are you ugly?
Yes
<input type="radio" name="choice_1" value="1" <?php echo 
$radioGroup['1']['1'] ?>>
No
<input type="radio" name="choice_1" value="1" <?php echo 
$radioGroup['1']['2'] ?>>
<hr>
Are you tall?
Yes
<input type="radio" name="choice_2" value="1" <?php echo 
$radioGroup['2']['1'] ?>>
No
<input type="radio" name="choice_2" value="1" <?php echo 
$radioGroup['2']['2'] ?>>
<hr>
Are you funny?
Yes
<input type="radio" name="choice_3" value="1" <?php echo 
$radioGroup['3']['1'] ?>>
No
<input type="radio" name="choice_3" value="1" <?php echo 
$radioGroup['3']['2'] ?>>
</form>

--------------------------------------------------------
And here's the function:
--------------------------------------------------------

function assignValues ($maxOutArrays, $maxInArrays, $arSelection) {

   $counter1   = 1;
   while ( $counter1 <= $maxOutArrays ) {

     $counter2 = 1;
     while ( $counter2 <= $maxInArrays ) {
       if ( !isset ($arSelection[$counter1][$counter2]) ) {
         $arSelection[$counter1][$counter2] = '';
       }
       $counter2++;
     }
     $counter1++;
   }
   return $arSelection;
}

$radioGroupDefaultValues['1']['2'] = 'checked';
$radioGroupDefaultValues['2']['1'] = 'checked';
$radioGroupDefaultValues['3']['1'] = 'checked';

$radioGroup = assignValues (3, 2, $radioGroupDefaultValues);

--------------------------------------------------------
And the output show with var_dump ($radioGroup)
--------------------------------------------------------

array(3) {
   [1]=>
   array(2) {
     [2]=>
     string(7) "checked"
     [1]=>
     string(0) ""
   }
   [2]=>
   array(2) {
     [1]=>
     string(7) "checked"
     [2]=>
     string(0) ""
   }
   [3]=>
   array(2) {
     [1]=>
     string(7) "checked"
     [2]=>
     string(0) ""
   }
}

Now I have a big form with 50 radio buttons in 10 groups of 5 radio 
buttons. I didn't benchmark this function, it seems that it run well, 
but if there is a better way to do it, I'd like to hear it.

TIA

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From drydell at worldnet.att.net  Wed May 14 09:17:30 2003
From: drydell at worldnet.att.net (David Rydell)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:17:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Executing script variable.
In-Reply-To: <200305140338.h4E3ar03061936@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <CFEJLJCMCEBCFAMOFFFAKENGCLAA.drydell@worldnet.att.net>

__FILE__ contains the current file name, __LINE__ contains the current line
number, __FUNCTION__ contains the current function and __CLASS__ contains
the current class ... see

http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.constants.predefined.php


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Armendariz [mailto:nyphp at enobrev.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 11:37 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Executing script variable.


Good evening all...

I run my own DB class, which has it's own error handler for MYSQL
errors.  My problem is that whenever it spits out an error, I just get
the mysql error, which does a great job of describing the actaul sql
error, BUT... my issue is that my method requires a few includes.

SO, whenever I get my DB error, I never actually know which script the
error is coming from.  So.. the QUESTION:  Is there a variable, or a way
of formulating a variable, aside from settine a scriptname var at the
top of every file, that displays the file that the current class,
function, error, etc was called from?

Thanks!!!

Mark



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From mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com  Wed May 14 09:47:02 2003
From: mjdewitt at alexcommgrp.com (DeWitt, Michael)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:47:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating multidimensional arrays
Message-ID: <BCF799A6B63DD411985D00805F9F903390B443@mail.alexcommgrp.com>

Emmanuel,

Like yourself, I have been a big fan of multidimensional arrays (MDA) in
PHP. One of my favorite uses is in using an MDA to hold product information
or perhaps a special price which goes into effect if the correct "code" used
in "unlocking" the array.  For example,

consider an array like this

promo[product_code][promo_code][domestic_price][foreign_price][source_code]

and in PHP you build it like this

$promo['abc']['123']=array('pdprice'=>167,'pfprice'=>197,'src_cde'=>'abc123'
);

You can see that the promo_code, '123' works as a key to unlocking the
special pricing and source code that should be used on the order.  Any value
for the promo_cde other than '123' and the value of pdprice will be null.

Yes, you could do this via a database, but we didn't feel the effort in
building the additional needed table maintenace modules worth it when merely
adding and deleting entries to the $promo array was so easy.

I haven't noticed this being slow, but in one of the NYPHP monthly meetings
I remember that MDAs were to be avoided for performance reasons.  I think it
was Dan Cowgill of Community Connect, but I may be mistaken.  Does anyone
else remember this being discussed?

Mike

  

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Emmanuel. M. Decarie [SMTP:emm at scriptdigital.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:59 AM
> To:	NYPHP Talk
> Subject:	[nycphp-talk] Creating multidimensional arrays
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have this little function that work well for me, but I was 
> wondering if it could be optimized. I use it to set the default value 
> of checked radio buttons. Also, while doing this function, I 
> discovered that PHP can autoinstantiate associative arrays in depth. 
> For ex.
> 
> $ar = array ();
> $ar['one']['two']['three'] = 'hello world';
> 
> echo $ar['one']['two']['three'];
> 
> --> hello world
> 
> I must say that PHP's array are one of the nicest feature of the language.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Here's what it look inserted in the HTML page:
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> <hr>
> <form>
> Are you ugly?
> Yes
> <input type="radio" name="choice_1" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['1']['1'] ?>>
> No
> <input type="radio" name="choice_1" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['1']['2'] ?>>
> <hr>
> Are you tall?
> Yes
> <input type="radio" name="choice_2" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['2']['1'] ?>>
> No
> <input type="radio" name="choice_2" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['2']['2'] ?>>
> <hr>
> Are you funny?
> Yes
> <input type="radio" name="choice_3" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['3']['1'] ?>>
> No
> <input type="radio" name="choice_3" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['3']['2'] ?>>
> </form>
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> And here's the function:
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> function assignValues ($maxOutArrays, $maxInArrays, $arSelection) {
> 
>    $counter1   = 1;
>    while ( $counter1 <= $maxOutArrays ) {
> 
>      $counter2 = 1;
>      while ( $counter2 <= $maxInArrays ) {
>        if ( !isset ($arSelection[$counter1][$counter2]) ) {
>          $arSelection[$counter1][$counter2] = '';
>        }
>        $counter2++;
>      }
>      $counter1++;
>    }
>    return $arSelection;
> }
> 
> $radioGroupDefaultValues['1']['2'] = 'checked';
> $radioGroupDefaultValues['2']['1'] = 'checked';
> $radioGroupDefaultValues['3']['1'] = 'checked';
> 
> $radioGroup = assignValues (3, 2, $radioGroupDefaultValues);
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> And the output show with var_dump ($radioGroup)
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> array(3) {
>    [1]=>
>    array(2) {
>      [2]=>
>      string(7) "checked"
>      [1]=>
>      string(0) ""
>    }
>    [2]=>
>    array(2) {
>      [1]=>
>      string(7) "checked"
>      [2]=>
>      string(0) ""
>    }
>    [3]=>
>    array(2) {
>      [1]=>
>      string(7) "checked"
>      [2]=>
>      string(0) ""
>    }
> }
> 
> Now I have a big form with 50 radio buttons in 10 groups of 5 radio 
> buttons. I didn't benchmark this function, it seems that it run well, 
> but if there is a better way to do it, I'd like to hear it.
> 
> TIA
> 
> -- 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Emmanuel D?carie / Programmation pour le Web - Programming for the Web
> Radio UserLand/Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript
> <http://scriptdigital.com/>
> Blog: <http://blog.scriptdigital.com> - AIM: scriptdigital
> 
> 
> 
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From georgenatalino at yahoo.com  Wed May 14 09:57:14 2003
From: georgenatalino at yahoo.com (George Natalino)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:57:14 -0400
Subject: IBM developerWorks  >  Article | Generate dynamic bitmap graphics
 with PHP and gd
Message-ID: <3EC24B39.6030604@yahoo.com>


http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/wa-dw-wa-bitmaphp-i.html

-- 

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Regards
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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Wed May 14 10:28:05 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:28:05 -0400
Subject: When and where is the next general meeting?
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D8E@USA1370MS1>

Hello all,

Can someone help when and where is the next general meeting?  My friend and
I would like to participate.

Pinyo


From nyphp at websapp.com  Wed May 14 10:29:39 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:29:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] When and where is the next general meeting?
In-Reply-To: <200305141429.h4EESExr076469@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPAEAFEIAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

When: Tuesday, May 27th, at 6:30pm (4th Tuesday of every month)
Where: Digital Pulp, Inc.  220 East 23rd Street, Suite 900 (9th floor)
RSVP: rsvp at nyphp.org
http://nyphp.org/content/calendar/view_entry.php?id=23&date=20030527


Regards,
Daniel Kushner
Vice President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org/
daniel at nyphp.org

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo [mailto:Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:28 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] When and where is the next general meeting?
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Can someone help when and where is the next general meeting?  My
> friend and
> I would like to participate.
>
> Pinyo
>
>
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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Wed May 14 10:35:40 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:35:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] When and where is the next general meeting?
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D8F@USA1370MS1>

Thank you.

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Kushner [mailto:nyphp at websapp.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:31 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] When and where is the next general meeting?


When: Tuesday, May 27th, at 6:30pm (4th Tuesday of every month)
Where: Digital Pulp, Inc.  220 East 23rd Street, Suite 900 (9th floor)
RSVP: rsvp at nyphp.org
http://nyphp.org/content/calendar/view_entry.php?id=23&date=20030527


Regards,
Daniel Kushner
Vice President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org/
daniel at nyphp.org

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo [mailto:Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:28 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] When and where is the next general meeting?
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> Can someone help when and where is the next general meeting?  My
> friend and
> I would like to participate.
>
> Pinyo
>
>
> 
>




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From gypsyfella at earthlink.net  Wed May 14 08:37:08 2003
From: gypsyfella at earthlink.net (Erik Baker)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:37:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Forms & Refresh Question & General Form Security
Message-ID: <385398.1052926198269.JavaMail.nobody@misspiggy.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Hey All,

I wanted to start by saying how useful I find these mailing lists.  Although this is the first time that I'm submitting a question, I have found following the threads from other people's questions very valuable as I move into becoming an intermediate PHPer.

That said, I have a question regarding forms and protecting them against browser refreshes.  I have written a PHP program that emails a user's password to their registered email address upon request.  The main program looks like this:

	//HARVEST VARIABLES
	$query_msg = $_POST['query_msg'];
	$login = $_POST['login'];
	$email = $_POST['email'];
	
	//MAIN
	if (!empty($query_msg) && $query_msg != 'Password Found') { #Skip MySQL query first time form is called & after password found
		GetData();
	}

	$query_msg != 'Password Found' # Leave form only when successful
		? ShowForm() # Display the form
		: ShowSuccess($login,$email); # Show Success

~GetData() goes to a MySQL database and sets the global variable $query_msg equal to 'Password Found' if a query on their login name or email matches, and then sends an email to their address with their password.
~ShowForm() sets up an HTML form with either login or email passed (user's submission choice) and sends along $query_msg with it as a hidden input type.
~ShowSuccess() is a general message that displays when the password is found.

The problem is that someone could tinker around to find a valid user name, then keep hitting refresh and send dozens (or more) emails to that user.  GetData() is not skipped because a refresh brings back $query_msg from $_POST (which is the previous value of $query_msg) and not the global variable value of 'Password Found'.

Is there a way to set the variable directly in $_POST so that it will pass back the a newer value upon refresh?  Or is there a way to have the program call itself again and pass new POSTed variables?

***I realized setting this form up that there are probably a dozen other ways a malicious user could try to break any form.  Does there exist anywhere a "Safest Form Practices" document?  I'm sure there are other security issues that I'm not aware of that need to be guarded against.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Erik


From max at idsociety.com  Wed May 14 11:40:39 2003
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:40:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating multidimensional arrays
In-Reply-To: <200305141259.h4ECwprn071846@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305141259.h4ECwprn071846@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EC26377.5020807@idsociety.com>

I'm not sure how compliant this is to HTML specifications, but one
useful thing you can do is use arrays in form variables, for instance:

<input type="text" name="array[test]" value="">

When you post this, $_POST['array'] will be a populated array.
I have found this useful when you have some sort of multiple select.
You can have 15 check boxes with the name="option[<some unique id
here>]" and then you just get an array of all of the select options to
loop through.

I'm not sure if this would speed anything up (it may make it even make
it a bit slower) but it does provide a small amount of convenience.

-Max


Emmanuel. M. Decarie wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have this little function that work well for me, but I was 
> wondering if it could be optimized. I use it to set the default value 
> of checked radio buttons. Also, while doing this function, I 
> discovered that PHP can autoinstantiate associative arrays in depth. 
> For ex.
> 
> $ar = array ();
> $ar['one']['two']['three'] = 'hello world';
> 
> echo $ar['one']['two']['three'];
> 
> --> hello world
> 
> I must say that PHP's array are one of the nicest feature of the language.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Here's what it look inserted in the HTML page:
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> <hr>
> <form>
> Are you ugly?
> Yes
> <input type="radio" name="choice_1" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['1']['1'] ?>>
> No
> <input type="radio" name="choice_1" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['1']['2'] ?>>
> <hr>
> Are you tall?
> Yes
> <input type="radio" name="choice_2" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['2']['1'] ?>>
> No
> <input type="radio" name="choice_2" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['2']['2'] ?>>
> <hr>
> Are you funny?
> Yes
> <input type="radio" name="choice_3" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['3']['1'] ?>>
> No
> <input type="radio" name="choice_3" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['3']['2'] ?>>
> </form>
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> And here's the function:
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> function assignValues ($maxOutArrays, $maxInArrays, $arSelection) {
> 
>    $counter1   = 1;
>    while ( $counter1 <= $maxOutArrays ) {
> 
>      $counter2 = 1;
>      while ( $counter2 <= $maxInArrays ) {
>        if ( !isset ($arSelection[$counter1][$counter2]) ) {
>          $arSelection[$counter1][$counter2] = '';
>        }
>        $counter2++;
>      }
>      $counter1++;
>    }
>    return $arSelection;
> }
> 
> $radioGroupDefaultValues['1']['2'] = 'checked';
> $radioGroupDefaultValues['2']['1'] = 'checked';
> $radioGroupDefaultValues['3']['1'] = 'checked';
> 
> $radioGroup = assignValues (3, 2, $radioGroupDefaultValues);
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> And the output show with var_dump ($radioGroup)
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> array(3) {
>    [1]=>
>    array(2) {
>      [2]=>
>      string(7) "checked"
>      [1]=>
>      string(0) ""
>    }
>    [2]=>
>    array(2) {
>      [1]=>
>      string(7) "checked"
>      [2]=>
>      string(0) ""
>    }
>    [3]=>
>    array(2) {
>      [1]=>
>      string(7) "checked"
>      [2]=>
>      string(0) ""
>    }
> }
> 
> Now I have a big form with 50 radio buttons in 10 groups of 5 radio 
> buttons. I didn't benchmark this function, it seems that it run well, 
> but if there is a better way to do it, I'd like to hear it.
> 
> TIA
> 



From nyphp at enobrev.com  Wed May 14 11:43:51 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:43:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Forms & Refresh Question & General Form Security
In-Reply-To: <200305141530.h4EFU2q1079669@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <01b601c31a2f$a18b1e60$e1951d18@enobrev>

What if you set up your form processor to redirect to either the form or
success?  The browser would never actaully see the form processor
script, and therefore a refresh wouldn't do anything.

As far as limiting password emails, could you possibly put a pass_sent
(datetime) field in the user's table and only send if the pass_sent is a
half hour old or older?

Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Baker [mailto:gypsyfella at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:30 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Forms & Refresh Question & General Form Security


Hey All,

I wanted to start by saying how useful I find these mailing lists.
Although this is the first time that I'm submitting a question, I have
found following the threads from other people's questions very valuable
as I move into becoming an intermediate PHPer.

That said, I have a question regarding forms and protecting them against
browser refreshes.  I have written a PHP program that emails a user's
password to their registered email address upon request.  The main
program looks like this:

	//HARVEST VARIABLES
	$query_msg = $_POST['query_msg'];
	$login = $_POST['login'];
	$email = $_POST['email'];
	
	//MAIN
	if (!empty($query_msg) && $query_msg != 'Password Found') {
#Skip MySQL query first time form is called & after password found
		GetData();
	}

	$query_msg != 'Password Found' # Leave form only when successful
		? ShowForm() # Display the form
		: ShowSuccess($login,$email); # Show Success

~GetData() goes to a MySQL database and sets the global variable
$query_msg equal to 'Password Found' if a query on their login name or
email matches, and then sends an email to their address with their
password.
~ShowForm() sets up an HTML form with either login or email passed
(user's submission choice) and sends along $query_msg with it as a
hidden input type.
~ShowSuccess() is a general message that displays when the password is
found.

The problem is that someone could tinker around to find a valid user
name, then keep hitting refresh and send dozens (or more) emails to that
user.  GetData() is not skipped because a refresh brings back $query_msg
from $_POST (which is the previous value of $query_msg) and not the
global variable value of 'Password Found'.

Is there a way to set the variable directly in $_POST so that it will
pass back the a newer value upon refresh?  Or is there a way to have the
program call itself again and pass new POSTed variables?

***I realized setting this form up that there are probably a dozen other
ways a malicious user could try to break any form.  Does there exist
anywhere a "Safest Form Practices" document?  I'm sure there are other
security issues that I'm not aware of that need to be guarded against.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Erik


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From wfan at encogent.com  Wed May 14 12:07:29 2003
From: wfan at encogent.com (Wellington Fan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:07:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Forms & Refresh Question & General Form Security
In-Reply-To: <200305141530.h4EFU2px079669@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEAEBHDOAA.wfan@encogent.com>

All,
On the matter of form refresh problems, I've found that submitting to a
second script works well.
----------------------------
"page_with_form.php"

submits to

"form_processor.php"

which redirects to

"page_with_form.php?status=(success|failure)"
----------------------------

So form_processor.php is strictly for backend stuff, it never prints
anything. The last line would be a header("Location....").

This way a user only ever sees page_with_form.php in his/her browser, and
reloading does no harm and does not re-submit data.

Also, BTW, a kind of useful Javascript tip is to set the onClick() event of
the submit button to 'this.disabled=true' -- this way the user cannot click
the button twice, and they get nice visual feedback.


--
WF



From nyphp at enobrev.com  Wed May 14 12:12:35 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:12:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating multidimensional arrays
In-Reply-To: <200305141540.h4EFeRq1080544@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <01b801c31a33$a52cb250$e1951d18@enobrev>

How's this:

http://nt.enobrev.com/max.phps

Demo:

http://nt.enobrev.com/max.php

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: max goldberg [mailto:max at idsociety.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:40 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Creating multidimensional arrays


I'm not sure how compliant this is to HTML specifications, but one
useful thing you can do is use arrays in form variables, for instance:

<input type="text" name="array[test]" value="">

When you post this, $_POST['array'] will be a populated array. I have
found this useful when you have some sort of multiple select. You can
have 15 check boxes with the name="option[<some unique id
here>]" and then you just get an array of all of the select options to
loop through.

I'm not sure if this would speed anything up (it may make it even make
it a bit slower) but it does provide a small amount of convenience.

-Max


Emmanuel. M. Decarie wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have this little function that work well for me, but I was
> wondering if it could be optimized. I use it to set the default value 
> of checked radio buttons. Also, while doing this function, I 
> discovered that PHP can autoinstantiate associative arrays in depth. 
> For ex.
> 
> $ar = array ();
> $ar['one']['two']['three'] = 'hello world';
> 
> echo $ar['one']['two']['three'];
> 
> --> hello world
> 
> I must say that PHP's array are one of the nicest feature of the 
> language.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Here's what it look inserted in the HTML page:
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> <hr>
> <form>
> Are you ugly?
> Yes
> <input type="radio" name="choice_1" value="1" <?php echo
> $radioGroup['1']['1'] ?>>
> No
> <input type="radio" name="choice_1" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['1']['2'] ?>>
> <hr>
> Are you tall?
> Yes
> <input type="radio" name="choice_2" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['2']['1'] ?>>
> No
> <input type="radio" name="choice_2" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['2']['2'] ?>>
> <hr>
> Are you funny?
> Yes
> <input type="radio" name="choice_3" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['3']['1'] ?>>
> No
> <input type="radio" name="choice_3" value="1" <?php echo 
> $radioGroup['3']['2'] ?>>
> </form>
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> And here's the function:
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> function assignValues ($maxOutArrays, $maxInArrays, $arSelection) {
> 
>    $counter1   = 1;
>    while ( $counter1 <= $maxOutArrays ) {
> 
>      $counter2 = 1;
>      while ( $counter2 <= $maxInArrays ) {
>        if ( !isset ($arSelection[$counter1][$counter2]) ) {
>          $arSelection[$counter1][$counter2] = '';
>        }
>        $counter2++;
>      }
>      $counter1++;
>    }
>    return $arSelection;
> }
> 
> $radioGroupDefaultValues['1']['2'] = 'checked'; 
> $radioGroupDefaultValues['2']['1'] = 'checked'; 
> $radioGroupDefaultValues['3']['1'] = 'checked';
> 
> $radioGroup = assignValues (3, 2, $radioGroupDefaultValues);
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> And the output show with var_dump ($radioGroup)
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> array(3) {
>    [1]=>
>    array(2) {
>      [2]=>
>      string(7) "checked"
>      [1]=>
>      string(0) ""
>    }
>    [2]=>
>    array(2) {
>      [1]=>
>      string(7) "checked"
>      [2]=>
>      string(0) ""
>    }
>    [3]=>
>    array(2) {
>      [1]=>
>      string(7) "checked"
>      [2]=>
>      string(0) ""
>    }
> }
> 
> Now I have a big form with 50 radio buttons in 10 groups of 5 radio
> buttons. I didn't benchmark this function, it seems that it run well, 
> but if there is a better way to do it, I'd like to hear it.
> 
> TIA
> 



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From shiflett at php.net  Wed May 14 12:23:14 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:23:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Forms & Refresh Question & General Form Security
In-Reply-To: <200305141608.h4EG7vvf082555@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030514162314.63363.qmail@web14311.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Wellington Fan <wfan at encogent.com> wrote:
> "page_with_form.php"
> 
> submits to
> 
> "form_processor.php"
> 
> which redirects to
> 
> "page_with_form.php?status=(success|failure)"

You do realize you're basically trusting the user with the value of status,
right? I hope you're not using that for anything important.

Chris


From nyphp at enobrev.com  Wed May 14 12:25:40 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:25:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating multidimensional arrays
In-Reply-To: <200305141613.h4EGCwq1083385@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <01bb01c31a35$7dcdbd10$e1951d18@enobrev>

Here's the code (rebooting my server)

<form>
<?php
	$questions = array();
	$questions[] = array('question' => 'Are you ugly?',
						 'options'  =>
array('Yes', 'No'),
						 'default'  => 'Yes');
	
	$questions[] = array('question' => 'Are you tall?',
						 'options'  =>
array('Yes', 'No'),
						 'default'  => 'Yes');
	
	$questions[] = array('question' => 'Are you funny?',
						 'options'  =>
array('Yes', 'No'),
						 'default'  => 'No');
						 
	$questions[] = array('question' => 'Will This Work?',
						 'options'  =>
array('Yes', 'No', 'I Hope So'),
						 'default'  => 'I Hope
So');
	
	foreach ($questions as $question_id => $question) {
?>
		<b><?= $question['question'] ?></b><br />
		<?php
			foreach($question['options'] as $option) {
				$display_checked = ($option ==
$question['default']) ? 'checked="checked"' : '';
		?>
				<input type="radio"
					 name="question_<?= $question_id
?>"
					 value="<?= $option ?>"
					 <?= $display_checked ?> /> <?=
$option ?><br />
		<?php
			}
		?>
		<br /><br />
<?php
	}
?>
</form>




From emm at scriptdigital.com  Wed May 14 12:17:13 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:17:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating multidimensional arrays
In-Reply-To: <200305141541.h4EFeRvb080544@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305141541.h4EFeRvb080544@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p05210222bae81c6a4e15@[192.168.0.2]>

>I'm not sure how compliant this is to HTML specifications, but one
>useful thing you can do is use arrays in form variables, for instance:
>
><input type="text" name="array[test]" value="">
>
>When you post this, $_POST['array'] will be a populated array.
>I have found this useful when you have some sort of multiple select.
>You can have 15 check boxes with the name="option[<some unique id
>here>]" and then you just get an array of all of the select options to
>loop through.
>
>I'm not sure if this would speed anything up (it may make it even make
>it a bit slower) but it does provide a small amount of convenience.
>
>-Max

Hey, that's a nice tip. Thanks
-Emmanuel
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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Wed May 14 12:24:24 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:24:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating multidimensional arrays
In-Reply-To: <200305141613.h4EGCwvb083385@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305141613.h4EGCwvb083385@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p05210223bae81cdf6957@[192.168.0.2]>

>How's this:
>
>http://nt.enobrev.com/max.phps
>
>Demo:
>
>http://nt.enobrev.com/max.php
>
>Mark

Thanks, that's a good solution too. But in the way I'm using PHP for 
this project, its more work for me. The designers really need to 
access the HTML markup and the content. This is not to say that it 
could be done with what you are proposing, but, I'll need to add an 
interface to it so one could change the strings used for the 
questions, and an easy way for the designer to change the HTML markup.

Cheers
-Emmanuel
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Radio UserLand/Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript  <http://scriptdigital.com/>
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed May 14 12:33:46 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:33:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Executing script variable.
In-Reply-To: <200305140336.h4E3arnn061936@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305140336.h4E3arnn061936@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030514163346.GA24237@panix.com>

Hi Mark:

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 11:36:53PM -0400, Mark Armendariz wrote:
>  
> I run my own DB class, which has it's own error handler for MYSQL
> errors.
... snip ...
> SO, whenever I get my DB error, I never actually know which script the
> error is coming from.

As David mentioned, __FILE__ and __LINE__ are handy.  In my SQL class, the 
first two parameters to each method is $File and $Line.  So, when my 
scripts call one of the methods, I use __FILE__ and __LINE__.  Therefore, 
my class knows where in my scripts I called the method from, so I can go 
to the appropriate location and fix the problem.

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Wed May 14 12:36:33 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:36:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Forms & Refresh Question & General Form Security
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2D90@USA1370MS1>

>	//HARVEST VARIABLES
>	$query_msg = $_POST['query_msg'];
>	$login = $_POST['login'];
>	$email = $_POST['email'];

Perhaps a better treatment for this would be
	foreach (array_keys($_POST) as $key ) { $$key=$_POST[$key]; }

> "page_with_form.php"
> submits to
> "form_processor.php"
> which redirects to
> "page_with_form.php?status=(success|failure)"

I do this too, but instead of going back to the same page with status, I
send them to two different pages.

> You do realize you're basically trusting the user with the value of
status,
> right? I hope you're not using that for anything important.

First, can't we improve this with session variable instead of $_GET
variable?
Second, you can always check for a valid $HTTP_REFERRER, if the user change
the value in the address bar then $HTTP_REFERRER will not be set, then we
can do this:
	if ((!isset($HTTP_REFERER))) { exit("access denied"); }

Pinyo


From nyphp at enobrev.com  Wed May 14 12:55:54 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:55:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Executing script variable.
In-Reply-To: <200305141633.h4EGXmq1087549@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <01c101c31a39$af23c180$e1951d18@enobrev>

Fantastic!!

They think of everything :)

Thank you all!!!!

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Analysis & Solutions [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:34 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Executing script variable.


Hi Mark:

On Tue, May 13, 2003 at 11:36:53PM -0400, Mark Armendariz wrote:
>  
> I run my own DB class, which has it's own error handler for MYSQL 
> errors.
.. snip ...
> SO, whenever I get my DB error, I never actually know which script the

> error is coming from.

As David mentioned, __FILE__ and __LINE__ are handy.  In my SQL class,
the 
first two parameters to each method is $File and $Line.  So, when my 
scripts call one of the methods, I use __FILE__ and __LINE__.
Therefore, 
my class knows where in my scripts I called the method from, so I can go

to the appropriate location and fix the problem.

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From wfan at encogent.com  Wed May 14 13:47:58 2003
From: wfan at encogent.com (Wellington Fan)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:47:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Forms & Refresh Question & General Form Security
In-Reply-To: <200305141623.h4EGNGpx084396@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEIEBJDOAA.wfan@encogent.com>

absolutely. do this where it makes sense.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:shiflett at php.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:23 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Forms & Refresh Question & General Form
> Security
> 
> 
> --- Wellington Fan <wfan at encogent.com> wrote:
> > "page_with_form.php"
> > 
> > submits to
> > 
> > "form_processor.php"
> > 
> > which redirects to
> > 
> > "page_with_form.php?status=(success|failure)"
> 
> You do realize you're basically trusting the user with the value 
> of status,
> right? I hope you're not using that for anything important.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 


From emm at scriptdigital.com  Wed May 14 13:48:19 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:48:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating multidimensional arrays
In-Reply-To: <p05210224bae81e68c573@[192.168.0.2]>
References: <200305141347.h4EDl5vb074161@parsec.nyphp.org>
 <p05210224bae81e68c573@[192.168.0.2]>
Message-ID: <p05210227bae831d95414@[192.168.0.2]>

Hello Mike,

>Like yourself, I have been a big fan of multidimensional arrays (MDA) in
>PHP. One of my favorite uses is in using an MDA to hold product information
>or perhaps a special price which goes into effect if the correct "code" used
>in "unlocking" the array.  For example,
>
>consider an array like this
>
>promo[product_code][promo_code][domestic_price][foreign_price][source_code]
>
>and in PHP you build it like this
>
>$promo['abc']['123']=array('pdprice'=>167,'pfprice'=>197,'src_cde'=>'abc123'
>);
>
>You can see that the promo_code, '123' works as a key to unlocking the
>special pricing and source code that should be used on the order.  Any value
>for the promo_cde other than '123' and the value of pdprice will be null.

Ah that's nice. I used often this, but not in PHP, but with UserTalk, 
which is the scripting language for Frontier/Radio UserLand.

Cheers
-Emmanuel


______________________________________________________________________
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Radio UserLand/Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript  <http://scriptdigital.com/>
Blog: <http://blog.scriptdigital.com> - AIM: scriptdigital


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From emm at scriptdigital.com  Wed May 14 13:48:44 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:48:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Creating multidimensional arrays
In-Reply-To: <p05210225bae81ee9e3ad@[192.168.0.2]>
References: <200305141300.h4ECwpvb071846@parsec.nyphp.org>
 <p05210225bae81ee9e3ad@[192.168.0.2]>
Message-ID: <p05210228bae831f45a55@[192.168.0.2]>

Well, thinking more about it, I though that this might be more 
readable, and it might be faster too.

function assignValues2 ($groupID, $boutonID, $arSelection) {

	if ( isset ($arSelection[$groupID][$boutonID]) ) {
		return $arSelection[$groupID][$boutonID];
	} else {
		return '';
	}

}


$radioGroupDefaultValues = array ();
$radioGroupDefaultValues['1']['2'] = 'checked';
$radioGroupDefaultValues['2']['1'] = 'checked';
$radioGroupDefaultValues['3']['1'] = 'checked';

<hr>
<form>
Are you ugly?
Yes
<input type="radio" name="choice_1" value="1"
<?php echo assignValues2 (1, 1, $radioGroupDefaultValues) ?>>
No
<input type="radio" name="choice_1" value="1"
<?php echo assignValues2 (1, 2, $radioGroupDefaultValues) ?>>
<hr>
Are you tall?
Yes
<input type="radio" name="choice_2" value="1"
<?php echo assignValues2 (2, 1, $radioGroupDefaultValues) ?>>
No
<input type="radio" name="choice_2" value="1"
<?php echo assignValues2 (2, 2, $radioGroupDefaultValues) ?>>
<hr>
Are you funny?
Yes
<input type="radio" name="choice_3" value="1"
<?php echo assignValues2 (3, 1, $radioGroupDefaultValues) ?>>
No
<input type="radio" name="choice_3" value="1"
<?php echo assignValues2 (3, 2, $radioGroupDefaultValues) ?>>
</form>


Cheers
-Emmanuel
______________________________________________________________________
Emmanuel D?carie / Programmation pour le Web - Programming for the Web
Radio UserLand/Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript  <http://scriptdigital.com/>
Blog: <http://blog.scriptdigital.com> - AIM: scriptdigital


-- 
______________________________________________________________________
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Radio UserLand/Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript  <http://scriptdigital.com/>
Blog: <http://blog.scriptdigital.com> - AIM: scriptdigital



From keremtuzemen at hotmail.com  Wed May 14 14:26:38 2003
From: keremtuzemen at hotmail.com (Kerem Tuzemen)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:26:38 -0400
Subject: Weird problem with PHP and MYSQL on IIS
Message-ID: <Law14-OE60YZkxOjmfC0000d07d@hotmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm running into a weird problem with one of our clients' win2k servers. When I run php without doing any db calls or when I run mysql from the command line interface on a win2k server, they are working just fine. But when I run a php script connecting to mysql, it's like 20 times slower than my own win2k server box. The boxes are almost the same in terms of hardware. I got almost the same results when running php or mysql separetely but when I combine them, it just crawls. Any ideas?

Thanks

Kerem
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From shiflett at php.net  Wed May 14 14:33:53 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 11:33:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Wireless Hot Spots
Message-ID: <20030514183353.99639.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know where some good wireless hot spots are in Manhattan? I will be
all over looking at apartments and doing interviews, and I'd like to be able to
drop in a Starbucks or something and keep up with email, etc.

Thanks for your help.

Chris


From andrew at digitalpulp.com  Wed May 14 14:39:10 2003
From: andrew at digitalpulp.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:39:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Wireless Hot Spots
In-Reply-To: <200305141834.h4EIXtpD095959@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305141834.h4EIXtpD095959@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030514183910.GB1290@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>

For starbucks:
    http://locations.hotspot.t-mobile.com/page6.asp?state=ny
Other:
    http://www.nodedb.com/unitedstates/ny/newyork/?

On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:33:55PM -0400, Chris Shiflett wrote:
> Does anyone know where some good wireless hot spots are in Manhattan? I will be
> all over looking at apartments and doing interviews, and I'd like to be able to
> drop in a Starbucks or something and keep up with email, etc.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 

-- 
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Digital Pulp, Inc.
212.679.0676x255
andrew at digitalpulp.com


From andrew at digitalpulp.com  Wed May 14 14:47:01 2003
From: andrew at digitalpulp.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:47:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Wireless Hot Spots
In-Reply-To: <200305141838.h4EIbwpD096768@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305141838.h4EIbwpD096768@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030514184701.GD1290@thighmaster.digitalpulp.com>

Almost forgot... if your a Verizon customer, supposedly you can hop on their
WiFi points listed here for no charge:
    https://www33.verizon.com/wifi/login/locations/locations-remote.jsp

On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:37:58PM -0400, Andrew Yochum wrote:
> For starbucks:
>     http://locations.hotspot.t-mobile.com/page6.asp?state=ny
> Other:
>     http://www.nodedb.com/unitedstates/ny/newyork/?
> 
> On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:33:55PM -0400, Chris Shiflett wrote:
> > Does anyone know where some good wireless hot spots are in Manhattan? I will be
> > all over looking at apartments and doing interviews, and I'd like to be able to
> > drop in a Starbucks or something and keep up with email, etc.
> > 
> > Thanks for your help.
> > 
> > Chris
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Andrew Yochum
> Digital Pulp, Inc.
> 212.679.0676x255
> andrew at digitalpulp.com
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 

-- 
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212.679.0676x255
andrew at digitalpulp.com


From gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com  Wed May 14 14:51:15 2003
From: gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com (George Webb)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:51:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Weird problem with PHP and MySQL on IIS
Message-ID: <200305141851.h4EIpGjg011574@gw00.com>

... don't know exactly, but have what does your mysql_connect(...)
command look like?  are you using host names instead of IP address?
If so, maybe the DNS is taking a while to resolve, which is probably
because it is failing to resolve by one of your DNS servers.  If
this is it, you could try hard-coding the IP address into your
mysql_connect() command, OR hard-code the IP address and hostname
into your winnt\\system32\\drivers\\etc\\hosts file -- which should
supercede the DNS lookups.

	If you need use the default mysql_connect() call -- with
no arguments -- you can set the default DB hostname in your
PHP.INI file... wherever that may be.

	(...just a thought)


Best, George.

George Webb
gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com


From mz34 at nyu.edu  Wed May 14 14:53:23 2003
From: mz34 at nyu.edu (Matthew Zimmerman)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:53:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Wireless Hot Spots
In-Reply-To: <200305141846.h4EIjfu7097658@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <56A0E2BE-863D-11D7-8512-00039344DCA8@nyu.edu>

http://www.nycwireless.net/



From bob at nyc-broker.net  Wed May 14 15:00:09 2003
From: bob at nyc-broker.net (Bob Hanna)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:00:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Wireless Hot Spots
References: <200305141834.h4EIXttj095959@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000c01c31a4b$0a9ac390$4d0ca8c0@bhanna>

http://www.downtownny.com/wireless.asp

and they're free

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:33 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Wireless Hot Spots


> Does anyone know where some good wireless hot spots are in Manhattan? I
will be
> all over looking at apartments and doing interviews, and I'd like to be
able to
> drop in a Starbucks or something and keep up with email, etc.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Chris
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 14 15:12:56 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:12:56 -0400
Subject: form confusion...
Message-ID: <BAE80D78.BC64%jfreeman@amnh.org>

First off, thanks to the many people who helped me out with my previous
question about making it possible for people to upload images.  I'm not
there quite yet but when I get there I'm sure the answers I received will be
incredibly helpful.  Thanks again.

I'm working on the same project.. in brief, a scientist has about 1000
specimens of the same kind of thing and wants to make a database containing
a survey of these 1000 specimens.  The main table in the database is the
'specimen'table, but that table has lots of fields for the 'id' number of
records in related tables.

In most cases, it's clear from the form whether or not I need to build a
table to relate to the main 'specimen' table but in some cases, it's not so
clear.

Here's an example of what I mean:

in the form, there's an area called 'structural stability'.  Someone filling
out the form can select for a few radio button:

-----------snip-----------------

<input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="stable">stable

<input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="slightly
unstable">slightly unstable

etc...

---------------snip-------------

in addition to 4 possible radio buttons, there are also 2 checkboxes
associated with the idea of 'structural stability':

---------------snip-------------

<input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="inadequate storage
support"> inadequate storage support

<input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="current insect
activity">   current insect activity

---------------snip-------------

so, here's my question:

right now, i have the name of all the radio buttons and the checkboxes as
'structural stability'

i'm not sure, however, how to handle this on the database side of things.
Should I give the checkboxes different names and their own tables?

I'm a little confused at the moment and would love someone with more
experience to shine some light on the path...

Thanks in advance..

And rest assured that once I'm done with this project I should be in shape
to begin offering up some advice of my own to new newbies.

Thanks!

Joshua










From drodriguez1 at mac.com  Wed May 14 15:13:49 2003
From: drodriguez1 at mac.com (David Rodriguez)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:13:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Wireless Hot Spots
Message-ID: <1716207.1052939629652.JavaMail.drodriguez1@mac.com>

Bryant Park is suppose to be Wireless.

D.

On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 02:58PM, Bob Hanna <bob at nyc-broker.net> wrote:

>http://www.downtownny.com/wireless.asp
>
>and they're free
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
>To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:33 PM
>Subject: [nycphp-talk] Wireless Hot Spots
>
>
>> Does anyone know where some good wireless hot spots are in Manhattan? I
>will be
>> all over looking at apartments and doing interviews, and I'd like to be
>able to
>> drop in a Starbucks or something and keep up with email, etc.
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>
>
 

David "e.Dave" Rodriguez
http://www.digitalsilk.com/


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed May 14 15:20:52 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:20:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
In-Reply-To: <200305141913.h4EJCuud001511@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <006601c31a4d$efdba8a0$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

It would seem that if the structural stability choices are mutually
exclusive, then they would go into a single database column. The same
would apply to the checkboxes. 

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:13 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...


First off, thanks to the many people who helped me out with my previous
question about making it possible for people to upload images.  I'm not
there quite yet but when I get there I'm sure the answers I received
will be incredibly helpful.  Thanks again.

I'm working on the same project.. in brief, a scientist has about 1000
specimens of the same kind of thing and wants to make a database
containing a survey of these 1000 specimens.  The main table in the
database is the 'specimen'table, but that table has lots of fields for
the 'id' number of records in related tables.

In most cases, it's clear from the form whether or not I need to build a
table to relate to the main 'specimen' table but in some cases, it's not
so clear.

Here's an example of what I mean:

in the form, there's an area called 'structural stability'.  Someone
filling out the form can select for a few radio button:

-----------snip-----------------

<input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="stable">stable

<input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="slightly
unstable">slightly unstable

etc...

---------------snip-------------

in addition to 4 possible radio buttons, there are also 2 checkboxes
associated with the idea of 'structural stability':

---------------snip-------------

<input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="inadequate
storage support"> inadequate storage support

<input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="current insect
activity">   current insect activity

---------------snip-------------

so, here's my question:

right now, i have the name of all the radio buttons and the checkboxes
as 'structural stability'

i'm not sure, however, how to handle this on the database side of
things. Should I give the checkboxes different names and their own
tables?

I'm a little confused at the moment and would love someone with more
experience to shine some light on the path...

Thanks in advance..

And rest assured that once I'm done with this project I should be in
shape to begin offering up some advice of my own to new newbies.

Thanks!

Joshua










--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---





From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Wed May 14 15:23:10 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:23:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
In-Reply-To: <200305141913.h4EJCuvj001511@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305141913.h4EJCuvj001511@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <6275-46795@sneakemail.com>

Hi Joshua,

The structural stability field should hold a number (1-x).  For 
checkboxes, I usually just add yn columns.

So, as an example, your table might have the following fields:

id (mediumint 5)
txtImageName (tinytext)
intStability (tinyint 1)
ynStorageSupport (tinyint 1)
ynInsectActivity (tinyint 1)

The intStability field can hold numbers corresponding to the activity (1 
for "stable", 2 for "slightly stable", etc.). The yn fields hold either 
a 0 or a 1 - with checkboxes, either something is true (checked) or it's 
false (not checked).

I can very quickly query the table at this point to get the information 
I need (for image 2, what was the level of its stability?  was there 
insect activity? was there adequate storage support?)

Be careful in naming, of course - the word "inadequate" can create a 
double-negative connotation if you use ynInadequateSupport (which is why 
I chose ynStorageSupport instead of its negative).

Hope that helps,

+gadhra+



Joshua S. Freeman jfreeman-at-amnh.org |NY PHP| wrote:

>First off, thanks to the many people who helped me out with my previous
>question about making it possible for people to upload images.  I'm not
>there quite yet but when I get there I'm sure the answers I received will be
>incredibly helpful.  Thanks again.
>
>I'm working on the same project.. in brief, a scientist has about 1000
>specimens of the same kind of thing and wants to make a database containing
>a survey of these 1000 specimens.  The main table in the database is the
>'specimen'table, but that table has lots of fields for the 'id' number of
>records in related tables.
>
>In most cases, it's clear from the form whether or not I need to build a
>table to relate to the main 'specimen' table but in some cases, it's not so
>clear.
>
>Here's an example of what I mean:
>
>in the form, there's an area called 'structural stability'.  Someone filling
>out the form can select for a few radio button:
>
>-----------snip-----------------
>
><input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="stable">stable
>
><input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="slightly
>unstable">slightly unstable
>
>etc...
>
>---------------snip-------------
>
>in addition to 4 possible radio buttons, there are also 2 checkboxes
>associated with the idea of 'structural stability':
>
>---------------snip-------------
>
><input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="inadequate storage
>support"> inadequate storage support
>
><input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="current insect
>activity">   current insect activity
>
>---------------snip-------------
>
>so, here's my question:
>
>right now, i have the name of all the radio buttons and the checkboxes as
>'structural stability'
>
>i'm not sure, however, how to handle this on the database side of things.
>Should I give the checkboxes different names and their own tables?
>
>I'm a little confused at the moment and would love someone with more
>experience to shine some light on the path...
>
>Thanks in advance..
>
>And rest assured that once I'm done with this project I should be in shape
>to begin offering up some advice of my own to new newbies.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Joshua
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

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*********************
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
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It's you it's built on




From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 14 15:34:35 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:34:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
In-Reply-To: <200305141923.h4EJNpnl003911@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAE8128B.BC70%jfreeman@amnh.org>

Gadhra,

Thanks for the response.  Very helpful.  Please explain what the prefix yn
means... 'yes/no'? 

Thanks again.

J.

TOn 5/14/03 3:23 PM, "gadhra" <bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com> wrote:

> Hi Joshua,
> 
> The structural stability field should hold a number (1-x).  For
> checkboxes, I usually just add yn columns.
> 
> So, as an example, your table might have the following fields:
> 
> id (mediumint 5)
> txtImageName (tinytext)
> intStability (tinyint 1)
> ynStorageSupport (tinyint 1)
> ynInsectActivity (tinyint 1)
> 
> The intStability field can hold numbers corresponding to the activity (1
> for "stable", 2 for "slightly stable", etc.). The yn fields hold either
> a 0 or a 1 - with checkboxes, either something is true (checked) or it's
> false (not checked).
> 
> I can very quickly query the table at this point to get the information
> I need (for image 2, what was the level of its stability?  was there
> insect activity? was there adequate storage support?)
> 
> Be careful in naming, of course - the word "inadequate" can create a
> double-negative connotation if you use ynInadequateSupport (which is why
> I chose ynStorageSupport instead of its negative).
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> +gadhra+
> 
> 
> 
> Joshua S. Freeman jfreeman-at-amnh.org |NY PHP| wrote:
> 
>> First off, thanks to the many people who helped me out with my previous
>> question about making it possible for people to upload images.  I'm not
>> there quite yet but when I get there I'm sure the answers I received will be
>> incredibly helpful.  Thanks again.
>> 
>> I'm working on the same project.. in brief, a scientist has about 1000
>> specimens of the same kind of thing and wants to make a database containing
>> a survey of these 1000 specimens.  The main table in the database is the
>> 'specimen'table, but that table has lots of fields for the 'id' number of
>> records in related tables.
>> 
>> In most cases, it's clear from the form whether or not I need to build a
>> table to relate to the main 'specimen' table but in some cases, it's not so
>> clear.
>> 
>> Here's an example of what I mean:
>> 
>> in the form, there's an area called 'structural stability'.  Someone filling
>> out the form can select for a few radio button:
>> 
>> -----------snip-----------------
>> 
>> <input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="stable">stable
>> 
>> <input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="slightly
>> unstable">slightly unstable
>> 
>> etc...
>> 
>> ---------------snip-------------
>> 
>> in addition to 4 possible radio buttons, there are also 2 checkboxes
>> associated with the idea of 'structural stability':
>> 
>> ---------------snip-------------
>> 
>> <input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="inadequate storage
>> support"> inadequate storage support
>> 
>> <input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="current insect
>> activity">   current insect activity
>> 
>> ---------------snip-------------
>> 
>> so, here's my question:
>> 
>> right now, i have the name of all the radio buttons and the checkboxes as
>> 'structural stability'
>> 
>> i'm not sure, however, how to handle this on the database side of things.
>> Should I give the checkboxes different names and their own tables?
>> 
>> I'm a little confused at the moment and would love someone with more
>> experience to shine some light on the path...
>> 
>> Thanks in advance..
>> 
>> And rest assured that once I'm done with this project I should be in shape
>> to begin offering up some advice of my own to new newbies.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Joshua
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 



From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 14 15:35:08 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:35:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
In-Reply-To: <200305141921.h4EJL5nl003152@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAE812AC.BC71%jfreeman@amnh.org>

Thanks for the response Jeff..

On 5/14/03 3:21 PM, "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:

> It would seem that if the structural stability choices are mutually
> exclusive, then they would go into a single database column. The same
> would apply to the checkboxes.

in the same table though?



> 
> Jeff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:13 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
> 
> 
> First off, thanks to the many people who helped me out with my previous
> question about making it possible for people to upload images.  I'm not
> there quite yet but when I get there I'm sure the answers I received
> will be incredibly helpful.  Thanks again.
> 
> I'm working on the same project.. in brief, a scientist has about 1000
> specimens of the same kind of thing and wants to make a database
> containing a survey of these 1000 specimens.  The main table in the
> database is the 'specimen'table, but that table has lots of fields for
> the 'id' number of records in related tables.
> 
> In most cases, it's clear from the form whether or not I need to build a
> table to relate to the main 'specimen' table but in some cases, it's not
> so clear.
> 
> Here's an example of what I mean:
> 
> in the form, there's an area called 'structural stability'.  Someone
> filling out the form can select for a few radio button:
> 
> -----------snip-----------------
> 
> <input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="stable">stable
> 
> <input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="slightly
> unstable">slightly unstable
> 
> etc...
> 
> ---------------snip-------------
> 
> in addition to 4 possible radio buttons, there are also 2 checkboxes
> associated with the idea of 'structural stability':
> 
> ---------------snip-------------
> 
> <input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="inadequate
> storage support"> inadequate storage support
> 
> <input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="current insect
> activity">   current insect activity
> 
> ---------------snip-------------
> 
> so, here's my question:
> 
> right now, i have the name of all the radio buttons and the checkboxes
> as 'structural stability'
> 
> i'm not sure, however, how to handle this on the database side of
> things. Should I give the checkboxes different names and their own
> tables?
> 
> I'm a little confused at the moment and would love someone with more
> experience to shine some light on the path...
> 
> Thanks in advance..
> 
> And rest assured that once I'm done with this project I should be in
> shape to begin offering up some advice of my own to new newbies.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Joshua
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Wed May 14 15:43:49 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:43:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
In-Reply-To: <200305141935.h4EJYZvj004821@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305141935.h4EJYZvj004821@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <13930-47762@sneakemail.com>

You got it - "yn" is just an identifier I use to mean "yes/no".  I use 
them in forms and in database fields so I know what type of value to 
expect in the data field just by looking at the database structure.

So, if I have a table with an entry of:
ynOrderedPizza  

I can either expect a 0 ("No") or a 1 ("Yes")  in that column ie. either 
the person ordered a pizza, or they didn't.  To translate this to a 
checkbox, either they checked the box for "Did you order a pizza?", or 
they didn't.

+gadhra+


Joshua S. Freeman jfreeman-at-amnh.org |NY PHP| wrote:

>Gadhra,
>
>Thanks for the response.  Very helpful.  Please explain what the prefix yn
>means... 'yes/no'? 
>
>Thanks again.
>
>J.
>
>TOn 5/14/03 3:23 PM, "gadhra" <bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hi Joshua,
>>
>>The structural stability field should hold a number (1-x).  For
>>checkboxes, I usually just add yn columns.
>>
>>So, as an example, your table might have the following fields:
>>
>>id (mediumint 5)
>>txtImageName (tinytext)
>>intStability (tinyint 1)
>>ynStorageSupport (tinyint 1)
>>ynInsectActivity (tinyint 1)
>>
>>The intStability field can hold numbers corresponding to the activity (1
>>for "stable", 2 for "slightly stable", etc.). The yn fields hold either
>>a 0 or a 1 - with checkboxes, either something is true (checked) or it's
>>false (not checked).
>>
>>I can very quickly query the table at this point to get the information
>>I need (for image 2, what was the level of its stability?  was there
>>insect activity? was there adequate storage support?)
>>
>>Be careful in naming, of course - the word "inadequate" can create a
>>double-negative connotation if you use ynInadequateSupport (which is why
>>I chose ynStorageSupport instead of its negative).
>>
>>Hope that helps,
>>
>>+gadhra+
>>
>>
>>
>>Joshua S. Freeman jfreeman-at-amnh.org |NY PHP| wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>First off, thanks to the many people who helped me out with my previous
>>>question about making it possible for people to upload images.  I'm not
>>>there quite yet but when I get there I'm sure the answers I received will be
>>>incredibly helpful.  Thanks again.
>>>
>>>I'm working on the same project.. in brief, a scientist has about 1000
>>>specimens of the same kind of thing and wants to make a database containing
>>>a survey of these 1000 specimens.  The main table in the database is the
>>>'specimen'table, but that table has lots of fields for the 'id' number of
>>>records in related tables.
>>>
>>>In most cases, it's clear from the form whether or not I need to build a
>>>table to relate to the main 'specimen' table but in some cases, it's not so
>>>clear.
>>>
>>>Here's an example of what I mean:
>>>
>>>in the form, there's an area called 'structural stability'.  Someone filling
>>>out the form can select for a few radio button:
>>>
>>>-----------snip-----------------
>>>
>>><input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="stable">stable
>>>
>>><input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="slightly
>>>unstable">slightly unstable
>>>
>>>etc...
>>>
>>>---------------snip-------------
>>>
>>>in addition to 4 possible radio buttons, there are also 2 checkboxes
>>>associated with the idea of 'structural stability':
>>>
>>>---------------snip-------------
>>>
>>><input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="inadequate storage
>>>support"> inadequate storage support
>>>
>>><input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="current insect
>>>activity">   current insect activity
>>>
>>>---------------snip-------------
>>>
>>>so, here's my question:
>>>
>>>right now, i have the name of all the radio buttons and the checkboxes as
>>>'structural stability'
>>>
>>>i'm not sure, however, how to handle this on the database side of things.
>>>Should I give the checkboxes different names and their own tables?
>>>
>>>I'm a little confused at the moment and would love someone with more
>>>experience to shine some light on the path...
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance..
>>>
>>>And rest assured that once I'm done with this project I should be in shape
>>>to begin offering up some advice of my own to new newbies.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>Joshua
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

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From rolan at omnistep.com  Wed May 14 16:02:13 2003
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:02:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Wireless Hot Spots
In-Reply-To: <200305141838.h4EIbwuJ096768@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305141838.h4EIbwuJ096768@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EC2A0C5.7030301@omnistep.com>

Fittingly on the PHP list, here's a small php script I wrote
that plots wifi points on a aerial map.

http://www.omnistep.com/wifi/wifiplot/

Click to zoom in.
You might want to increase the map width
(controls at the bottom of the image)

Oh, also, I hate to say this, but use IE or Opera browser. It seems to 
be broken
when using the most recent version of Mozilla.

~Rolan

Andrew Yochum wrote:

>For starbucks:
>    http://locations.hotspot.t-mobile.com/page6.asp?state=ny
>Other:
>    http://www.nodedb.com/unitedstates/ny/newyork/?
>
>On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:33:55PM -0400, Chris Shiflett wrote:
>  
>
>>Does anyone know where some good wireless hot spots are in Manhattan? I will be
>>all over looking at apartments and doing interviews, and I'd like to be able to
>>drop in a Starbucks or something and keep up with email, etc.
>>
>>Thanks for your help.
>>
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>  
>



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed May 14 16:05:32 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:05:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
In-Reply-To: <200305141935.h4EJZ6ud005273@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <006d01c31a54$2dc8b850$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I got into the conversation a bit late and tried to read through the
thread so here's my basic understanding of the situation.

You've got a ton of specimens. Specimens are "classified" by structural
stability, etc. so that each of these "attributes" are specific to a
specimen. I would handle it as follows:

tblSpecimen (specimen table - the "parent" table)
SP_ID - autoincrement ID number
frkST_ID - int field - foreign key to tlkpStability SP_sSpecimenName
varchar field 
(Add'l fields as needed)

Things like stability, etc., should go in lookup tables...for example,

tlkpStability (each row has its own ID number and a description) 
ST_ID autoincrement 
ST_sStability 

Instead of radio buttons you use a dropdown. That way, if they have four
choices of structural stability at this point in time but...after
examining 100 specimens they realize they need a fifth choice, it can be
added to the table and it would automatically appear in the dropdown.
You wouldn't have to reprogram your form by adding an additional radio
button.

If you have only two possible choices for a particular specimen, that
could go into tblSpecimen. I use lookup tables when there are 3 choices
or more (not that they couldn't also be in tblSpecimen... however...if
the choices could change over time...using a separate lookup table makes
life easier).

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:35 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...


Thanks for the response Jeff..

On 5/14/03 3:21 PM, "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:

> It would seem that if the structural stability choices are mutually
> exclusive, then they would go into a single database column. The same 
> would apply to the checkboxes.

in the same table though?



> 
> Jeff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:13 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
> 
> 
> First off, thanks to the many people who helped me out with my
> previous question about making it possible for people to upload 
> images.  I'm not there quite yet but when I get there I'm sure the 
> answers I received will be incredibly helpful.  Thanks again.
> 
> I'm working on the same project.. in brief, a scientist has about 1000
> specimens of the same kind of thing and wants to make a database 
> containing a survey of these 1000 specimens.  The main table in the 
> database is the 'specimen'table, but that table has lots of fields for

> the 'id' number of records in related tables.
> 
> In most cases, it's clear from the form whether or not I need to build
> a table to relate to the main 'specimen' table but in some cases, it's

> not so clear.
> 
> Here's an example of what I mean:
> 
> in the form, there's an area called 'structural stability'.  Someone
> filling out the form can select for a few radio button:
> 
> -----------snip-----------------
> 
> <input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="stable">stable
> 
> <input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="slightly
> unstable">slightly unstable
> 
> etc...
> 
> ---------------snip-------------
> 
> in addition to 4 possible radio buttons, there are also 2 checkboxes
> associated with the idea of 'structural stability':
> 
> ---------------snip-------------
> 
> <input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="inadequate
> storage support"> inadequate storage support
> 
> <input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="current
insect
> activity">   current insect activity
> 
> ---------------snip-------------
> 
> so, here's my question:
> 
> right now, i have the name of all the radio buttons and the checkboxes
> as 'structural stability'
> 
> i'm not sure, however, how to handle this on the database side of
> things. Should I give the checkboxes different names and their own 
> tables?
> 
> I'm a little confused at the moment and would love someone with more
> experience to shine some light on the path...
> 
> Thanks in advance..
> 
> And rest assured that once I'm done with this project I should be in
> shape to begin offering up some advice of my own to new newbies.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Joshua
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From thegeek at thecolorgeek.com  Wed May 14 16:31:26 2003
From: thegeek at thecolorgeek.com (The Geek)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:31:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Wireless Hot Spots
In-Reply-To: <200305141846.h4EIjfwV097658@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <09224406-864B-11D7-9C22-003065489A1E@thecolorgeek.com>

Try here:   http://www.nodedb.com/unitedstates/ny/newyork/?   as well 
as here http://www.nycwireless.net/  ..   I am amazed how often I can 
connect to an open office wireless network.   No security.  I sat in a 
Starbucks on broadway and could connect to two different networks 
freely.  I was at a clients apartment who had just purchased  an 
airport he thought I set it up but I was using his neighbors system.  
So try you're often surprised.


On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 02:45 PM, Andrew Yochum wrote:

> Almost forgot... if your a Verizon customer, supposedly you can hop on 
> their
> WiFi points listed here for no charge:
>     https://www33.verizon.com/wifi/login/locations/locations-remote.jsp
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:37:58PM -0400, Andrew Yochum wrote:
>> For starbucks:
>>     http://locations.hotspot.t-mobile.com/page6.asp?state=ny
>> Other:
>>     http://www.nodedb.com/unitedstates/ny/newyork/?
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:33:55PM -0400, Chris Shiflett wrote:
>>> Does anyone know where some good wireless hot spots are in 
>>> Manhattan? I will be
>>> all over looking at apartments and doing interviews, and I'd like to 
>>> be able to
>>> drop in a Starbucks or something and keep up with email, etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Andrew Yochum
>> Digital Pulp, Inc.
>> 212.679.0676x255
>> andrew at digitalpulp.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Andrew Yochum
> Digital Pulp, Inc.
> 212.679.0676x255
> andrew at digitalpulp.com
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>



From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 14 16:33:55 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:33:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
In-Reply-To: <200305142005.h4EK5knl008448@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAE82073.BC7E%jfreeman@amnh.org>

Hi Jeff,

this area of 'structural stability' is one of several areas in the survey
form.

with this, and some other parts of the survey, you can select 1 of four or
five options (radio buttons) as a value but also, for any given row/specimen
there may also be one or two additional bits of information that should be
part of the value for that specimen (these are the checkboxes...)

does this change your thinking at all?

J.

On 5/14/03 4:05 PM, "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:

> I got into the conversation a bit late and tried to read through the
> thread so here's my basic understanding of the situation.
> 
> You've got a ton of specimens. Specimens are "classified" by structural
> stability, etc. so that each of these "attributes" are specific to a
> specimen. I would handle it as follows:
> 
> tblSpecimen (specimen table - the "parent" table)
> SP_ID - autoincrement ID number
> frkST_ID - int field - foreign key to tlkpStability SP_sSpecimenName
> varchar field 
> (Add'l fields as needed)
> 
> Things like stability, etc., should go in lookup tables...for example,
> 
> tlkpStability (each row has its own ID number and a description)
> ST_ID autoincrement
> ST_sStability 
> 
> Instead of radio buttons you use a dropdown. That way, if they have four
> choices of structural stability at this point in time but...after
> examining 100 specimens they realize they need a fifth choice, it can be
> added to the table and it would automatically appear in the dropdown.
> You wouldn't have to reprogram your form by adding an additional radio
> button.
> 
> If you have only two possible choices for a particular specimen, that
> could go into tblSpecimen. I use lookup tables when there are 3 choices
> or more (not that they couldn't also be in tblSpecimen... however...if
> the choices could change over time...using a separate lookup table makes
> life easier).
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:35 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
> 
> 
> Thanks for the response Jeff..
> 
> On 5/14/03 3:21 PM, "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
>> It would seem that if the structural stability choices are mutually
>> exclusive, then they would go into a single database column. The same
>> would apply to the checkboxes.
> 
> in the same table though?
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:13 PM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
>> 
>> 
>> First off, thanks to the many people who helped me out with my
>> previous question about making it possible for people to upload
>> images.  I'm not there quite yet but when I get there I'm sure the
>> answers I received will be incredibly helpful.  Thanks again.
>> 
>> I'm working on the same project.. in brief, a scientist has about 1000
>> specimens of the same kind of thing and wants to make a database
>> containing a survey of these 1000 specimens.  The main table in the
>> database is the 'specimen'table, but that table has lots of fields for
> 
>> the 'id' number of records in related tables.
>> 
>> In most cases, it's clear from the form whether or not I need to build
>> a table to relate to the main 'specimen' table but in some cases, it's
> 
>> not so clear.
>> 
>> Here's an example of what I mean:
>> 
>> in the form, there's an area called 'structural stability'.  Someone
>> filling out the form can select for a few radio button:
>> 
>> -----------snip-----------------
>> 
>> <input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="stable">stable
>> 
>> <input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="slightly
>> unstable">slightly unstable
>> 
>> etc...
>> 
>> ---------------snip-------------
>> 
>> in addition to 4 possible radio buttons, there are also 2 checkboxes
>> associated with the idea of 'structural stability':
>> 
>> ---------------snip-------------
>> 
>> <input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="inadequate
>> storage support"> inadequate storage support
>> 
>> <input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="current
> insect
>> activity">   current insect activity
>> 
>> ---------------snip-------------
>> 
>> so, here's my question:
>> 
>> right now, i have the name of all the radio buttons and the checkboxes
>> as 'structural stability'
>> 
>> i'm not sure, however, how to handle this on the database side of
>> things. Should I give the checkboxes different names and their own
>> tables?
>> 
>> I'm a little confused at the moment and would love someone with more
>> experience to shine some light on the path...
>> 
>> Thanks in advance..
>> 
>> And rest assured that once I'm done with this project I should be in
>> shape to begin offering up some advice of my own to new newbies.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Joshua
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
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From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 14 16:40:41 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:40:41 -0400
Subject: another interesting parameter of this survey
Message-ID: <BAE82209.BC84%jfreeman@amnh.org>

So.. there's an area on the form:

Surface clean:  [ ] brush  [ ] vacuum  ([ ] == checkbox)

so.. for any record/specimen, it will either be:

1) no brush no vacuum
2) yes brush no vacuum
3) yes brush yes vacuum
4) no brush yes vacuum

so, in the database, do i just make these two different yn field?  ynbrush
and ynvacuum, tinyint(1)... ?

even though they're both associated with the notion of 'surface clean' ?

J.



From dan at dwc.to  Wed May 14 16:42:41 2003
From: dan at dwc.to (Dan Horning)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:42:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] another interesting parameter of this survey
In-Reply-To: <200305142040.h4EKedpP011229@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001301c31a59$5ea578a0$2363ca42@dwchome>

Why don't you just use a prebuilt survey system
?

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 4:41 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] another interesting parameter of this survey
> 
> 
> So.. there's an area on the form:
> 
> Surface clean:  [ ] brush  [ ] vacuum  ([ ] == checkbox)
> 
> so.. for any record/specimen, it will either be:
> 
> 1) no brush no vacuum
> 2) yes brush no vacuum
> 3) yes brush yes vacuum
> 4) no brush yes vacuum
> 
> so, in the database, do i just make these two different yn 
> field?  ynbrush and ynvacuum, tinyint(1)... ?
> 
> even though they're both associated with the notion of 
> 'surface clean' ?
> 
> J.
> 
> 
> 
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From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Wed May 14 16:46:33 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:46:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] another interesting parameter of this survey
In-Reply-To: <200305142041.h4EKedvj011229@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305142041.h4EKedvj011229@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <9560-05566@sneakemail.com>

You got it - if they're checkboxes (like you have), they should be:
ynBrush
ynVacuum

If you're interested in doing whether or not something's surface is 
clean, I would do:
ynSurfaceClean

and in your code write:

if ($_POST['brush'] || $_POST['vacuum']) {
    $sql = "update tbl set ynSurfaceClean = 1";
} else {
   $sql = "update tbl set ynSurfaceClean = 0";
}

(commiting it to the database, of course)

+gadhra+




Joshua S. Freeman jfreeman-at-amnh.org |NY PHP| wrote:

>So.. there's an area on the form:
>
>Surface clean:  [ ] brush  [ ] vacuum  ([ ] == checkbox)
>
>so.. for any record/specimen, it will either be:
>
>1) no brush no vacuum
>2) yes brush no vacuum
>3) yes brush yes vacuum
>4) no brush yes vacuum
>
>so, in the database, do i just make these two different yn field?  ynbrush
>and ynvacuum, tinyint(1)... ?
>
>even though they're both associated with the notion of 'surface clean' ?
>
>J.
>
>
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From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 14 16:49:33 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:49:33 -0400
Subject: one more issue...
Message-ID: <BAE8241D.BC89%jfreeman@amnh.org>

so, the very next 'area' after 'surface clean: [ ] brush  [ ] vacuum' is

'Structural Treatment' which contains  4 different checkboxes plus a <input
type='text' name='other'> for something in addition to or different from the
4 checkboxes, any of which may or may not be checked...

how do I handle something like this in the main specimen table if these are
all under the heading 'structural treatment' ?  with some kind of table
devoted to 'structural treatment' right?

that would be something like this:

table structural treatment

st_id 
ynReattachElements
ynStablizeBreaksFractures
ynRemovePins
ynPointSmallerElements
other

and then I reference st_id in my main 'specimen' table, right?

but... ok..

in this case the only possibilites are:

y y y y other
y n n n other
y y n n other
y y y n other
n n n n other
n y y y other
n n y y other
n n n y other
y n n y other
n y y n other
y n y n other
n y n y other
y n y y other
y y n y other
n y n n other
n n y n other

so... should i break out the part of structural treatment that involves the
4 checkboxes which have a finite number of combinations from 'other' which
has an infinite number of combinations?

J.



From mz34 at nyu.edu  Wed May 14 16:50:08 2003
From: mz34 at nyu.edu (Matthew Zimmerman)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:50:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Wireless Hot Spots
In-Reply-To: <200305141914.h4EJDtu7002053@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <A5D9B41E-864D-11D7-8512-00039344DCA8@nyu.edu>

It is. I used it last week. Very good!!

On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 03:13  PM, David Rodriguez wrote:

> Bryant Park is suppose to be Wireless.
>
> D.
>
> On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 02:58PM, Bob Hanna <bob at nyc-broker.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> http://www.downtownny.com/wireless.asp
>>
>> and they're free
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
>> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:33 PM
>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Wireless Hot Spots
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone know where some good wireless hot spots are in 
>>> Manhattan? I
>> will be
>>> all over looking at apartments and doing interviews, and I'd like to 
>>> be
>> able to
>>> drop in a Starbucks or something and keep up with email, etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> David "e.Dave" Rodriguez
> http://www.digitalsilk.com/
>
>
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>
>
>
MZ
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Tel: 212.998.3038
Fax: 212.995.4120



From mz34 at nyu.edu  Wed May 14 16:53:14 2003
From: mz34 at nyu.edu (Matthew Zimmerman)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:53:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Wireless Hot Spots
In-Reply-To: <200305142003.h4EK2Ou7007638@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <14C3BDD0-864E-11D7-8512-00039344DCA8@nyu.edu>

cool!

what is your source of the wifi point ing? Are these all publicly 
accessible?


On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 04:02  PM, Rolan Yang wrote:

> Fittingly on the PHP list, here's a small php script I wrote
> that plots wifi points on a aerial map.
>
> http://www.omnistep.com/wifi/wifiplot/
>
> Click to zoom in.
> You might want to increase the map width
> (controls at the bottom of the image)
>
> Oh, also, I hate to say this, but use IE or Opera browser. It seems to
> be broken
> when using the most recent version of Mozilla.
>
> ~Rolan
>
> Andrew Yochum wrote:
>
>> For starbucks:
>>    http://locations.hotspot.t-mobile.com/page6.asp?state=ny
>> Other:
>>    http://www.nodedb.com/unitedstates/ny/newyork/?
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:33:55PM -0400, Chris Shiflett wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Does anyone know where some good wireless hot spots are in 
>>> Manhattan? I will be
>>> all over looking at apartments and doing interviews, and I'd like to 
>>> be able to
>>> drop in a Starbucks or something and keep up with email, etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
MZ
_________________
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Humanities Computing Group, NYU
Tel: 212.998.3038
Fax: 212.995.4120



From gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com  Wed May 14 16:56:19 2003
From: gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com (George Webb)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 16:56:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: form confusion
Message-ID: <200305142056.h4EKuKAP011761@gw00.com>

Joshua, here are some basic thoughts about FORMS and PHP
as they may relate to your examples:

	1/ Groups of radio buttons should have the same "NAME"
	attribute, because that's what links them together to be
	a one-of-many selector.  Also, in your PHP script, you want 
	to read the one single value result of the radio group --
	in your case "structural stability" is the name.
	These work very similarly to a <SELECT> list (*without*
	the MULTIPLE attribute) with <OPTIONS> for each option.

	2/ Space characters in form field names is sometimes
	problematic... better to stay with alphanumeric and
	underscore if possible.  This is especially true if
	you want your form field names to match up with names of
	your database columns.  Databases usually only allow
	A-Za-z0-9_ for column names.

	3/ Unlike radio buttons, checkboxes should each have
	*unique* names.  E.g.:

	<INPUT TYPE=CHECKBOX NAME="inadequate_storage" VALUE=1>...
	<INPUT TYPE=CHECKBOX NAME="insect_activity" VALUE=1>...

	The "VALUE" HTML attribute should probably just be "1",
	so that you can easily check whether an input element is
	checked or not, e.g:

	if ( @$_POST['inadequate_storage'] ) {
		/*** handle "checked" ***/
	}
	if ( @$_POST['insect_activity'] ) {
		/*** handle "checked" ***/
	}

	(The at-sign in front suppresses warnings when the checkbox
	is not set (and error_reporting is E_ALL).)

	4/ If you have a group of "related" checkboxes, for example
	a question like "Check all that apply...", you might want
	to use an input array as follows:  set the NAME attributes
	to all the same thing; put an empty square-brackets on the
	end of each name, to make it an array; set the VALUE attribute
	of each one to a unique value, e.g.:

	Bands I Like:
	<INPUT TYPE=CHECKBOX NAME="bands[]" VALUE="Santana">Santana
	<INPUT TYPE=CHECKBOX NAME="bands[]" VALUE="n'sync">n'Sync
	<INPUT TYPE=CHECKBOX NAME="bands[]" VALUE="John Tesh">John Tesh
	<INPUT TYPE=CHECKBOX NAME="bands[]" VALUE="Ween">Ween

	Then you would get the user's checked values very easily from
	PHP:

	$checked_values_array = $_POST['bands'];

	Or if you want to print them out:
	foreach ( $_POST['bands'] as $band ) {
		echo "He likes $band<BR>\
";
	}

	Related Checkboxes work very similarly to a <SELECT MULTIPLE>
	element with <OPTIONS> for each option you can check.

	It's FUN WITH FORMS, not FORM CONFUSION!!!


	5/ There are so many different ways to do the database
	side for radio buttons and checkboxes.  One main issue is,
	will one "entry cell" have exactly one value, or possibly
	multiple simultaneous values?  If it's exactly one, you
	can simply store the result as a text field, or if it's
	yes/no, maybe as an enumerated type or integer, e.g.:

		text
		enum('YES','NO') NOT NULL
		enum('Y')
		int NOT NULL
	
	If there might be multiple simultaneous choices, like the
	bands example above, then you might want to create a new
	table with the user ID (or specimen ID) in the first column,
	and the value in the second.  The results might come to look
	like this table:

		+-----+----------------+
		| ID  | band           |
		+-----+----------------+
		|  3  | John Tesh      |
		| 19  | John Tesh      |
		|  6  | Ween           |
		|  6  | John Tesh      |
		| 14  | Santana        |
		|  9  | n'Sync         |
		| 14  | John Tesh      |
		+-----+----------------+
	
	This way, each "ID" can have as many "bands" as it wants.

	A much cheesier, but somewhat simpler way is to hard-code
	each band name as a field into the main table, e.g.

	+----+----------+-------------------------------------------------------+
	| ID | stuff    | likes_santana | likes_nsync | likes_tesh | likes_ween |
	+----+----------+-------------------------------------------------------+
	|  3 | foo      | NO            | NO          | YES        | NO         |
	|  6 | bar      | NO            | NO          | YES        | YES        |
	|  9 | baz      | NO            | YES         | NO         | NO         |
	| 14 | quux     | YES           | NO          | YES        | NO         |
	| 19 | xyzzy    | NO            | NO          | YES        | NO         |
	+----+----------+-------------------------------------------------------+

	It's FUN WITH DATABASES.

	6/ One other database consideration is maybe some users want to
	download the entire database into a spreadsheet or MS Access or
	something.  E.g. the users there might rather see the results in the
	cheesier method above, if they're more into looking at single
	huge spreadsheets.  Or if they like Access, they might like the
	other way.  Or maybe you matter the most, because YOU have to
	write the PHP queries to display the results -- so do what's
	easiest for you to work with.

	7/ If you're not sure about what to do, don't worry you may
	likely want to change it later after you get it.  Just make it
	work and get it done fast.  PHP should very helpful with that.
	Even with advanced projects, the first version is usually not
	meant to be optimized; that usually comes later -- after you
	have thousands of users.


Best, George.
		
George Webb
gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com
x1384


From rolan at omnistep.com  Wed May 14 17:02:00 2003
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:02:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Wireless Hot Spots
In-Reply-To: <200305142053.h4EKrJXT015105@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305142053.h4EKrJXT015105@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EC2AEC8.4060000@omnistep.com>

They're all in my MySQL database.

I'm not sure where the points came from.
Some of them were mailed to me by contributors who
drove around running Netstubler or Kismet.

The Boston points are all from 2 individuals.

Around here in NJ, roughly 90% of the AP's are
wide open, simply because people have not enabled
any encryption when they plug it into their home networks.

~Rolan


Matthew Zimmerman wrote:

>cool!
>
>what is your source of the wifi point ing? Are these all publicly 
>accessible?
>
>
>On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 04:02  PM, Rolan Yang wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Fittingly on the PHP list, here's a small php script I wrote
>>that plots wifi points on a aerial map.
>>
>>http://www.omnistep.com/wifi/wifiplot/
>>
>>Click to zoom in.
>>You might want to increase the map width
>>(controls at the bottom of the image)
>>
>>Oh, also, I hate to say this, but use IE or Opera browser. It seems to
>>be broken
>>when using the most recent version of Mozilla.
>>
>>~Rolan
>>
>>Andrew Yochum wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>For starbucks:
>>>   http://locations.hotspot.t-mobile.com/page6.asp?state=ny
>>>Other:
>>>   http://www.nodedb.com/unitedstates/ny/newyork/?
>>>
>>>On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:33:55PM -0400, Chris Shiflett wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Does anyone know where some good wireless hot spots are in 
>>>>Manhattan? I will be
>>>>all over looking at apartments and doing interviews, and I'd like to 
>>>>be able to
>>>>drop in a Starbucks or something and keep up with email, etc.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your help.
>>>>
>>>>Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>MZ
>_________________
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>Humanities Computing Group, NYU
>Tel: 212.998.3038
>Fax: 212.995.4120
>
>
>
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>  
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Wed May 14 17:04:03 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:04:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
In-Reply-To: <200305142034.h4EKXrud010348@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <007d01c31a5c$5ab54b50$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Doesn't really change my thinking...however...the question is how
normalized should the data be (or even need to be). For example, a
lookup table as described below (tlkpStability) adds a fair amount of
flexibility but, depending on how far you go with normalizing data, it
can also make queries a bit more complex. 

The real questions concerning the approach to take come down to:

	a. Is this an application you've got to knock out real fast and
which will never be used again except in this particular instance? If
yes, you can go with a "fast and dirty" approach. However, applications
sometimes take on a life of their own and this "quicky" application may
blossom into something you have to maintain regularly...if that happens
you'll regret the "fast and dirty" approach.

	b. If there will be any reporting based on the data (I assume
there will be), will a single table allow you to partition the data as
needed? The answer may be yes.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 3:34 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...


Hi Jeff,

this area of 'structural stability' is one of several areas in the
survey form.

with this, and some other parts of the survey, you can select 1 of four
or five options (radio buttons) as a value but also, for any given
row/specimen there may also be one or two additional bits of information
that should be part of the value for that specimen (these are the
checkboxes...)

does this change your thinking at all?

J.

On 5/14/03 4:05 PM, "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:

> I got into the conversation a bit late and tried to read through the 
> thread so here's my basic understanding of the situation.
> 
> You've got a ton of specimens. Specimens are "classified" by 
> structural stability, etc. so that each of these "attributes" are 
> specific to a specimen. I would handle it as follows:
> 
> tblSpecimen (specimen table - the "parent" table)
> SP_ID - autoincrement ID number
> frkST_ID - int field - foreign key to tlkpStability SP_sSpecimenName 
> varchar field (Add'l fields as needed)
> 
> Things like stability, etc., should go in lookup tables...for example,
> 
> tlkpStability (each row has its own ID number and a description) ST_ID

> autoincrement ST_sStability
> 
> Instead of radio buttons you use a dropdown. That way, if they have 
> four choices of structural stability at this point in time but...after

> examining 100 specimens they realize they need a fifth choice, it can 
> be added to the table and it would automatically appear in the 
> dropdown. You wouldn't have to reprogram your form by adding an 
> additional radio button.
> 
> If you have only two possible choices for a particular specimen, that 
> could go into tblSpecimen. I use lookup tables when there are 3 
> choices or more (not that they couldn't also be in tblSpecimen... 
> however...if the choices could change over time...using a separate 
> lookup table makes life easier).
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:35 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
> 
> 
> Thanks for the response Jeff..
> 
> On 5/14/03 3:21 PM, "Jeff" <jsiegel1 at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
>> It would seem that if the structural stability choices are mutually 
>> exclusive, then they would go into a single database column. The same

>> would apply to the checkboxes.
> 
> in the same table though?
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:13 PM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
>> 
>> 
>> First off, thanks to the many people who helped me out with my 
>> previous question about making it possible for people to upload 
>> images.  I'm not there quite yet but when I get there I'm sure the 
>> answers I received will be incredibly helpful.  Thanks again.
>> 
>> I'm working on the same project.. in brief, a scientist has about 
>> 1000 specimens of the same kind of thing and wants to make a database

>> containing a survey of these 1000 specimens.  The main table in the 
>> database is the 'specimen'table, but that table has lots of fields 
>> for
> 
>> the 'id' number of records in related tables.
>> 
>> In most cases, it's clear from the form whether or not I need to 
>> build a table to relate to the main 'specimen' table but in some 
>> cases, it's
> 
>> not so clear.
>> 
>> Here's an example of what I mean:
>> 
>> in the form, there's an area called 'structural stability'.  Someone 
>> filling out the form can select for a few radio button:
>> 
>> -----------snip-----------------
>> 
>> <input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="stable">stable
>> 
>> <input type="radio" name="structural stability" value="slightly 
>> unstable">slightly unstable
>> 
>> etc...
>> 
>> ---------------snip-------------
>> 
>> in addition to 4 possible radio buttons, there are also 2 checkboxes 
>> associated with the idea of 'structural stability':
>> 
>> ---------------snip-------------
>> 
>> <input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="inadequate 
>> storage support"> inadequate storage support
>> 
>> <input type="checkbox" name="structural stability" value="current
> insect
>> activity">   current insect activity
>> 
>> ---------------snip-------------
>> 
>> so, here's my question:
>> 
>> right now, i have the name of all the radio buttons and the 
>> checkboxes as 'structural stability'
>> 
>> i'm not sure, however, how to handle this on the database side of 
>> things. Should I give the checkboxes different names and their own 
>> tables?
>> 
>> I'm a little confused at the moment and would love someone with more 
>> experience to shine some light on the path...
>> 
>> Thanks in advance..
>> 
>> And rest assured that once I'm done with this project I should be in 
>> shape to begin offering up some advice of my own to new newbies.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Joshua
>> 
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From dennis at webstew.com  Wed May 14 20:18:59 2003
From: dennis at webstew.com (Dennis Butler)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:18:59 -0400
Subject: Highlighting keywords 
Message-ID: <3EC2DCF3.8090701@webstew.com>

If I wanted to print just the keywords the user typed into a form, 
within the query results, say in a red font, but leave the rest of the 
data from the table cell in black, is there a way of inserting some 
logic inside the print statement within an SQL query to isolate only the 
matched word that was typed in.  

Let's say I typed in "dynamics" in the keyword field of the form and my 
results were lists of titles such as "Intensity dependence and transient 
dynamics of donor-- acceptor pair recombination in ZnO thin films grown 
on (001) silicon"  I want only the word "dynamics" to be red and the 
rest of the title to be black, is this possible with a MySQL query?

Dennis




From GypsyFella at eartlink.net  Wed May 14 23:23:55 2003
From: GypsyFella at eartlink.net (Erik Baker)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:23:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Forms & Refresh Question & General Form Security
In-Reply-To: <200305141748.h4EHmSpX092113@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000601c31a91$6ad01df0$6401a8c0@superfabulous>

Thanks everyone.  I used a combination of things suggested, some other
online suggestions,  and added to it my further tinkering.

Here's what I found (and all seems to be working well):
Just using another file on success doesn't solve the security problem.
A malicious user needs to merely hit the BACK button & then REFRESH to
get the form to resubmit.  Doing that combo rapidly and you can resubmit
the form (query database & send another success email) dozens of times
in a couple of seconds.  I added a session variable--turns out to be
very easy--to track a successful submission.  On success a plain HTML
page is loaded.

I hadn't found a full satisfactory solution online, so I've pasted all
of the code below for anyone interested.  If anyone has suggestions for
improvement, please send them along; especially if they improve the
security of the form.  (I know, I shouldn't have used global variables,
but they were convenient.)

P.S. I also ran across an interesting Javascript solution where you can
remove the previous page from the browser's cache history.  There may be
another PHP header() command that could accomplish the same thing.
Anyone know?

****CODE TO FOLLOW****

<?PHP
	//INCLUDES
	$doc_root = $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT']; //gets root folder of the
website
	include_once($doc_root . "/php_scripts/db_stuff.php"); //general
database connectivity commands

	//HARVEST VARIABLES
	$login = $_POST['login'];
	$email = $_POST['email'];

	session_start();

	global $query_msg;
	!empty($_SESSION['query_msg'])  //or use PHPSESSID
		? $query_msg = $_SESSION['query_msg']
		: $query_msg = 'First Pass';
	
	if ( $query_msg != 'First Pass' && $query_msg != 'Email Already
Sent') { #Skip MySQL query first time form is called & after password
found
		GetData('/html/success.html'); #root is assumed in
GetData($url)
	}
	
	ShowForm(); # Display the form
	$_SESSION['query_msg'] = $query_msg;	

	exit();
?>
<?PHP #FUNCTIONS
function GetData($success_url) {
	global $query_msg;
	global $login;
	global $email;
	$dbTable = 'tablename';
	
	if ( !($email == "" && $login == "") ) {//Guard against a blank
form
		//Connect to Database & Select Table
		$link = connect_to_db();  //function in db_stuff.php
file
						//also kills script on
error connecting
		empty($email) #set correct query based on user input
			? $query="SELECT emailaddr,loginname,password
FROM $dbTable WHERE loginname='$login' LIMIT 1"
			: $query="SELECT loginname,emailaddr,password
FROM $dbTable WHERE emailaddr='$email' LIMIT 1";
	
		$result = @mysql_query($query);
	
		if($result) { //Database connection was successful
			if (@mysql_num_rows($result) == 1) { //User
login or email exists
				$email =
mysql_result($result,0,"emailaddr");
				$login =
mysql_result($result,0,"loginname");
				$pwd =
mysql_result($result,0,"password");

				// send email with details
				$sendto = "$email";
				$subject = "YOUR LOGIN INFORMATION";   
				$message = "LOGIN NAME:
$login\
PASSWORD: $pwd\
EMAIL ADDRESS:$email";
				$from = "From: yoururl.com
<webmaster at yoururl.com>";

				if (mail($sendto, $subject, $message,
$from)) {
					$query_msg = 'Email Already
Sent';
					header('Location:
http://'.$_SERVER['HTTP_HOST'].$success_url);
					$_SESSION['query_msg'] =
$query_msg; #Setting this right away, command also in main level
				} else {
					$query_msg = 'Email was not
successful';
				}
			} else {
				$query_msg = 'No such account exists';
			}
			
		} else {
			$query_msg = 'A CONNECTION TO THE DATABASE COULD
NOT BE ESTABLISHED.  <BR>Please try again later.';
		}
	} else {#END Guard against a blank form
		$query_msg = 'Fill in your login name or registered
email address';
	}
	$_SESSION['query_msg'] = $query_msg; #Set session variable
}

function ShowForm() {
#Sets up form & will email result upon success
global $query_msg;
global $login;
global $email;
global $PHP_SELF; # The path and name of this file

# Add row with error message if a message exists #
if ($query_msg != 'First Pass') {
	$form_middle = "<tr><td align='center' valign='middle'
border='2' bordercolor='red'><font
color='#FF0000'>$query_msg</font></td></tr>";
} else {
	$query_msg = $SESSION['query_msg'] = 'Second Pass';
}

$form_top=<<<form_top
<html>
<HEAD>
<!-- Global site tag (gtag.js) - Google Analytics -->
<script async src="https://www.googletagmanager.com/gtag/js?id=UA-51353372-3"></script>
<script>
  window.dataLayer = window.dataLayer || [];
  function gtag(){dataLayer.push(arguments);}
  gtag('js', new Date());

  gtag('config', 'UA-51353372-3');
</script>
  <TITLE>WELCOME TO A GREAT SITE!</TITLE>
<meta name="description" content="PHP jobs stackware web application support and development forums for Mongo LAMP MySQL SQL Windows IIS Linux." />
<meta name="author" content="Stackware Web Development - http://stackware.com" />
<meta name="verify-v1" content="zWMoPwMn/dolscLkjLXTpRqgr9K8bzlzL1vM9WTjpHc=" />
<meta name="msvalidate.01" content="F85F81C1D0BAB5C349E8395628845E27" />
<meta name="y_key" content="265502be3db4fb6e" />
</HEAD>

<BODY marginwidth="0" marginheight="0" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0"
background="/images/bkgnd.gif">
	<BR>
	<TABLE width="500" border="1" align="center" cellpadding="1"
cellspacing="1" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
	<tr>
		<th align="center" valign="middle"
bordercolor="#330099"><font size="5" color="#330099">
			<h1>RETRIEVE YOUR LOGIN INFO</h1></font></th>
	</tr>
	<tr>
		<td valign="middle" align="center">You can get your
login information by entering either your login name or your email
address below.  Your password will be sent to the email address that we
currently have on file for you.</td>
	</tr>
form_top;

$form_bottom=<<<form_bottom
	<tr>
		<td>
			<TABLE border="0" align="center" cellpadding="0"
cellspacing="0">
			<tr>
				<FORM NAME="SubmitLogin" METHOD="post"
ACTION="$PHP_SELF">
				<td>Enter Your Login Name:</td>
				<td><INPUT NAME="login" TYPE="Text"
VALUE="" maxlength="20"></td>
				<td width="3%">&nbsp;</td>
				<td><INPUT TYPE="Submit" VALUE="Submit
Login"></td>
				</FORM>
			</tr>
			<tr align="center"><td
colspan="3"><b>-OR-</b></td>
			<td width="30%">&nbsp;</td>
			</tr>
			<tr>
				<FORM NAME="SubmitEmail" METHOD="post"
ACTION="$PHP_SELF">
				<td>Enter Your Email Address:</td>
				<td><INPUT NAME="email" TYPE="Text"
VALUE="" maxlength="40"></td>
				<td width="3%">&nbsp;</td>
				<td><INPUT TYPE="Submit" VALUE="Submit
Email"></td>
				</FORM>
			</tr>
			</TABLE>
		</td>
	</tr>
	</TABLE>
</BODY></HTML>
form_bottom;
	
echo "$form_top";
echo "$form_middle";
echo "$form_bottom";
} # End of function ShowForm

############ END OF FUNCTIONS ###############


-----Original Message-----
From: Wellington Fan [mailto:wfan at encogent.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:48 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Forms & Refresh Question & General Form
Security


absolutely. do this where it makes sense.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Shiflett [mailto:shiflett at php.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 12:23 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Forms & Refresh Question & General Form 
> Security
> 
> 
> --- Wellington Fan <wfan at encogent.com> wrote:
> > "page_with_form.php"
> > 
> > submits to
> > 
> > "form_processor.php"
> > 
> > which redirects to
> > 
> > "page_with_form.php?status=(success|failure)"
> 
> You do realize you're basically trusting the user with the value
> of status,
> right? I hope you're not using that for anything important.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From ejp at well.com  Thu May 15 08:34:43 2003
From: ejp at well.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:34:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Wireless Hot Spots
In-Reply-To: <200305142032.h4EKVUxx009588@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <9B0B22FE-86D1-11D7-9553-000393BF8A42@well.com>

We offer a free wireless hotspot, no login, no passwords, etc.  T1.
36th and 10th. And we also have free bicycles and a Cafe.

"What are you guys %&%**%*% crazy!"
"nah, we trust everyone, we're Utopians."

PS.. We are moving in 2 weeks, however.

:-)

- ed


> Try here:   http://www.nodedb.com/unitedstates/ny/newyork/?   as well
> as here http://www.nycwireless.net/  ..   I am amazed how often I can
> connect to an open office wireless network.   No security.  I sat in a
> Starbucks on broadway and could connect to two different networks
> freely.  I was at a clients apartment who had just purchased  an
> airport he thought I set it up but I was using his neighbors system.
> So try you're often surprised.
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 14, 2003, at 02:45 PM, Andrew Yochum wrote:
>
>> Almost forgot... if your a Verizon customer, supposedly you can hop on
>> their
>> WiFi points listed here for no charge:
>>     
>> https://www33.verizon.com/wifi/login/locations/locations-remote.jsp
>>
>> On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:37:58PM -0400, Andrew Yochum wrote:
>>> For starbucks:
>>>     http://locations.hotspot.t-mobile.com/page6.asp?state=ny
>>> Other:
>>>     http://www.nodedb.com/unitedstates/ny/newyork/?
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 14, 2003 at 02:33:55PM -0400, Chris Shiflett wrote:
>>>> Does anyone know where some good wireless hot spots are in
>>>> Manhattan? I will be
>>>> all over looking at apartments and doing interviews, and I'd like to
>>>> be able to
>>>> drop in a Starbucks or something and keep up with email, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Andrew Yochum
>>> Digital Pulp, Inc.
>>> 212.679.0676x255
>>> andrew at digitalpulp.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Andrew Yochum
>> Digital Pulp, Inc.
>> 212.679.0676x255
>> andrew at digitalpulp.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From jemaxwell at jaymax.com  Thu May 15 11:10:01 2003
From: jemaxwell at jaymax.com (Joseph Maxwell)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:10:01 -0700
Subject: Digest form for this list
Message-ID: <3EC3ADC8.60F8F91C@jaymax.com>

Hello,
Is there a Digest Form for this list?
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From webapprentice at onemain.com  Thu May 15 08:34:50 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Stephen Tang)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:34:50 -0400 (GMT)
Subject: They will need to work on it.  Re: [nycphp-talk] Digest form for this list
Message-ID: <1800179.1053012891097.JavaMail.nobody@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Hans Z. said it's something that needs to be done.
It's in his TODO list.

--Stephen

-------Original Message-------
From: Joseph Maxwell <jemaxwell at jaymax.com>
Sent: 05/15/03 11:09 AM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Digest form for this list

> 
> Hello,
Is there a Digest Form for this list?
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From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May 16 07:52:23 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:52:23 -0400
Subject: Java interpreter
Message-ID: <000c01c31ba1$9d453930$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I need to install a Java interpreter on a Linux box. I was at Sun's site
but honestly...it's not obvious what I need to download.

Can anyone offer any pointers?

Jeff



From andrew at digitalpulp.com  Fri May 16 08:33:47 2003
From: andrew at digitalpulp.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:33:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Java interpreter
In-Reply-To: <200305161154.h4GBsESP059488@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305161154.h4GBsESP059488@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030516123341.GA1645@localhost.localdomain>

>From this page:
    http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/download.html
... grab the JRE (if your just running java) or the SDK (if you need
development tools) from the "J2SE v 1.4.1_02" section.

That should do it.

On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 07:54:14AM -0400, Jeff wrote:
> I need to install a Java interpreter on a Linux box. I was at Sun's site
> but honestly...it's not obvious what I need to download.
> 
> Can anyone offer any pointers?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
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> 


From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Fri May 16 10:45:14 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:45:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Java interpreter
In-Reply-To: <200305161234.h4GCXoXr060821@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000101c31bb9$c352f780$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Thank you SO MUCH!! It wasn't obvious, at first, what to download (I was
at the site last night).

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Yochum [mailto:andrew at digitalpulp.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 7:34 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Java interpreter


>From this page:
    http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/download.html
.. grab the JRE (if your just running java) or the SDK (if you need
development tools) from the "J2SE v 1.4.1_02" section.

That should do it.

On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 07:54:14AM -0400, Jeff wrote:
> I need to install a Java interpreter on a Linux box. I was at Sun's 
> site but honestly...it's not obvious what I need to download.
> 
> Can anyone offer any pointers?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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From nestorflorez at earthlink.net  Fri May 16 11:26:26 2003
From: nestorflorez at earthlink.net (Nestor Florez)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:26:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Help with regex
Message-ID: <5694601.1053098841330.JavaMail.nobody@kermit.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Hi people,

I am having problems doing a regex using ereg_replace
I am reading a file and when I find a line with  white space and <td width=123>
I want to remove these characters up to an including the '>'.
This is what a typical line looks like:
-----------------------------------------
   <td width="49">205</td>
   <td width="155">Asaro, Doreen</td>
   <td width="197">G.I.S.</td>
   <td width="42">&nbsp;</td>
----------------------------------------------

I have tried the following but it does not work
------------------------------------------
foreach($content as $line)
{
 $line = ereg_replace(".*>", "", $line);
 print "$i = $line <br>";
 $i++;
}
------------------------------------------

I also tried :
$line = ereg_replace(".*?>", "", $line);
To make sure that it does not remove the entire line when it finds the '>' in  "</td>"
but I get this error:
*Warning*: ereg_replace() [function.ereg-replace <http://www.php.net/function.ereg-replace>]: REG_BADRPT: in *c:\\program files\\apache group\\apache\\htdocs\\php\\readphone.php* on line *35*

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Nestor


From neerajrattu at consultant.com  Fri May 16 11:41:43 2003
From: neerajrattu at consultant.com (Neeraj Rattu)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:41:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Job Posting/ Recruitment Package
Message-ID: <20030516154143.68719.qmail@mail.com>

Hello list,

Can i get involved in this. I have done good work for a reqruitment company. www.tannet.com

I have good experience in this. Can i be of any help.

Regards,
Neeraj
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org>
Date: Wed,  7 May 2003 17:34:16 -0400
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Job Posting/ Recruitment Package


--- Mike West <mxw65 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Suggestion on AMP based Job/ Resume Posting / Recruitment type package?
> Hoping
> to post resumes, collect personal info and match jobs to jobs available.

We (NYPHP) are looking for one, too :)

So far I haven't been able to find anything nice.  Our current job board,
despite steadfast efforts by Sklar, can't offer what we'd like.  I believe
Chris is working on a better system, and this will be a continuing Open
Source project of NYPHP.

Best,

H





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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Fri May 16 11:45:05 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:45:05 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help with regex
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D3A@pcsnet>

try  something like:

preg_replace("/\\w+<td width=\\d+>.*</td>/","",$line);

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nestor Florez [mailto:nestorflorez at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Friday, 16 May, 2003 8:27 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help with regex
> 
> 
> Hi people,
> 
> I am having problems doing a regex using ereg_replace
> I am reading a file and when I find a line with  white space 
> and <td width=123>
> I want to remove these characters up to an including the '>'.
> This is what a typical line looks like:
> -----------------------------------------
>    <td width="49">205</td>
>    <td width="155">Asaro, Doreen</td>
>    <td width="197">G.I.S.</td>
>    <td width="42">&nbsp;</td>
> ----------------------------------------------
> 
> I have tried the following but it does not work
> ------------------------------------------
> foreach($content as $line)
> {
>  $line = ereg_replace(".*>", "", $line);
>  print "$i = $line <br>";
>  $i++;
> }
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> I also tried :
> $line = ereg_replace(".*?>", "", $line);
> To make sure that it does not remove the entire line when it 
> finds the '>' in  "</td>"
> but I get this error:
> *Warning*: ereg_replace() [function.ereg-replace 
> <http://www.php.net/function.ereg-replace>]: REG_BADRPT: in 
> *c:\\program files\\apache 
> group\\apache\\htdocs\\php\\readphone.php* on line *35*
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nestor
> 
> 
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> 
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Fri May 16 12:01:27 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:01:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Job Posting/ Recruitment Package
In-Reply-To: <200305161542.h4GFfpXJ067303@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030516160127.8175.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi Neeraj,

--- Neeraj Rattu <neerajrattu at consultant.com> wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> Can i get involved in this. I have done good work for a reqruitment
> company. www.tannet.com
> 
> I have good experience in this. Can i be of any help.

Sure thing, thank you!  Chris S. has been making strides in getting the new
system online.  Subscribe to NYPHP-Dev to stay abreast of what's going on and
we'll see what needs to happen next.

Thanks again,

H

> 
> Regards,
> Neeraj
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org>
> Date: Wed,  7 May 2003 17:34:16 -0400
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Job Posting/ Recruitment Package
> 
> 
> --- Mike West <mxw65 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Suggestion on AMP based Job/ Resume Posting / Recruitment type package?
> > Hoping
> > to post resumes, collect personal info and match jobs to jobs available.
> 
> We (NYPHP) are looking for one, too :)
> 
> So far I haven't been able to find anything nice.  Our current job board,
> despite steadfast efforts by Sklar, can't offer what we'd like.  I believe
> Chris is working on a better system, and this will be a continuing Open
> Source project of NYPHP.
> 
> Best,
> 
> H
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From chris at psydeshow.org  Fri May 16 12:19:32 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:19:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Job Posting/ Recruitment Package
In-Reply-To: <200305161542.h4GFfpYR067303@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305161542.h4GFfpYR067303@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EC50F94.10005@psydeshow.org>

Take a look at http://dev.nyphp.org/content/jobs2 and feel free to 
contact me with suggestions and requests.

Neeraj Rattu wrote:

>Hello list,
>
>Can i get involved in this. I have done good work for a reqruitment company. www.tannet.com
>
>I have good experience in this. Can i be of any help.
>
>Regards,
>Neeraj
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org>
>Date: Wed,  7 May 2003 17:34:16 -0400
>To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Job Posting/ Recruitment Package
>
>
>--- Mike West <mxw65 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Suggestion on AMP based Job/ Resume Posting / Recruitment type package?
>>Hoping
>>to post resumes, collect personal info and match jobs to jobs available.
>>    
>>
>
>We (NYPHP) are looking for one, too :)
>
>So far I haven't been able to find anything nice.  Our current job board,
>despite steadfast efforts by Sklar, can't offer what we'd like.  I believe
>Chris is working on a better system, and this will be a continuing Open
>Source project of NYPHP.
>
>Best,
>
>H
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>


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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri May 16 12:28:09 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:28:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help with regex
In-Reply-To: <200305161527.h4GFRNQx065928@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305161527.h4GFRNQx065928@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030516162809.GA25280@panix.com>

Hi Nestor:

On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 11:27:23AM -0400, Nestor Florez wrote:

>    <td width="49">205</td>
>
>  $line = ereg_replace(".*>", "", $line);

As you probably realized, this is too greedy.  The reason is because ".*"
is matching ANY character, including ">" so it goes through the whole line
until it gets to the final ">"  This can be tweaked a tad so all
characters except ">" are 

    $line = ereg_replace('^[^>]+>', '', $line);

Also notice the anchoring of the expression to the start of the line to 
avoid the expression repeating it's actions on subsequent >'s, and the use 
of single quotes since no variables are in the expressions.


> $line = ereg_replace(".*?>", "", $line);

You're on the right track, but "?" is for preg expressions.  So, another 
option is converting it to a preg function:

   $line = preg_replace('/^.*?>/', '', $line);

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Fri May 16 12:33:13 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:33:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help with regex
Message-ID: <002101c31bc8$d8cc9080$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

"*?" is an bad combination. That's why you get the error.
Perhaps you are looking for something like "[[:space:]]?<[tT][dD][^>]*>"

Jerry

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-----Original Message-----
From: Nestor Florez <nestorflorez at earthlink.net>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Date: Friday, May 16, 2003 12:07 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help with regex


>Hi people,
>
>I am having problems doing a regex using ereg_replace
>I am reading a file and when I find a line with  white space and <td
width=123>
>I want to remove these characters up to an including the '>'.
>This is what a typical line looks like:
>-----------------------------------------
>   <td width="49">205</td>
>   <td width="155">Asaro, Doreen</td>
>   <td width="197">G.I.S.</td>
>   <td width="42">&nbsp;</td>
>----------------------------------------------
>
>I have tried the following but it does not work
>------------------------------------------
>foreach($content as $line)
>{
> $line = ereg_replace(".*>", "", $line);
> print "$i = $line <br>";
> $i++;
>}
>------------------------------------------
>
>I also tried :
>$line = ereg_replace(".*?>", "", $line);
>To make sure that it does not remove the entire line when it finds the '>'
in  "</td>"
>but I get this error:
>*Warning*: ereg_replace() [function.ereg-replace
<http://www.php.net/function.ereg-replace>]: REG_BADRPT: in *c:\\program
files\\apache group\\apache\\htdocs\\php\\readphone.php* on line *35*
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Nestor
>
>
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>
>



From shiflett at php.net  Fri May 16 14:30:55 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 11:30:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Forms & Refresh Question & General Form Security
In-Reply-To: <200305141637.h4EGacvf088360@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030516183055.95410.qmail@web14307.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo" <Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com> wrote:
> > You do realize you're basically trusting the user with the value of
> > status, right? I hope you're not using that for anything important.
> 
> First, can't we improve this with session variable instead of $_GET
> variable?

Yes, good suggestion.

> Second, you can always check for a valid $HTTP_REFERRER

The Referer header is not required by the HTTP specification, even in 1.1, so
relying on that is not necessarily a good idea. You will basically render your
application useless to any Web client that does not provide this *optional*
HTTP header. If you want to do that, it's fine, so long as you are taking that
caveat into consideration.

Chris


From pinyo at nyc.rr.com  Fri May 16 16:04:41 2003
From: pinyo at nyc.rr.com (Pinyo Bhulipongsanon)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:04:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Forms & Refresh Question & General Form Security
References: <200305161831.h4GIUxXD076413@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002f01c31be6$6378e040$01c8a8c0@hewlettlydtpep>

Chris,

Thank you for you comment. What are some of the browsers that do not support
http_referrer?

Pinyo


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Forms & Refresh Question & General Form Security


> --- "Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo" <Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com> wrote:
> > > You do realize you're basically trusting the user with the value of
> > > status, right? I hope you're not using that for anything important.
> >
> > First, can't we improve this with session variable instead of $_GET
> > variable?
>
> Yes, good suggestion.
>
> > Second, you can always check for a valid $HTTP_REFERRER
>
> The Referer header is not required by the HTTP specification, even in 1.1,
so
> relying on that is not necessarily a good idea. You will basically render
your
> application useless to any Web client that does not provide this
*optional*
> HTTP header. If you want to do that, it's fine, so long as you are taking
that
> caveat into consideration.
>
> Chris
>
>
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From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Fri May 16 16:15:39 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:15:39 -0400
Subject: Browser's local time?
Message-ID: <20030516161539.A19459@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

Folks:
I would like to display the time on my web server, along with the time
on the user's local machine, so that users can see any clock skew.  Is
this possible in straight PHP, or do I have to write JavaScript or
something similar?
-c

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Flon's Law: There is not now, and never will be, a language in which
it is the least bit difficult to write bad programs.


From ophir at prusak.com  Fri May 16 16:23:38 2003
From: ophir at prusak.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 16:23:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Forms & Refresh Question & General Form Security
References: <200305162005.h4GK4iYN078914@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <03a301c31be9$08dd5a00$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

To answer your question, all the major browsers support http referer, but
the real issue is that the browser sends the server this data, and there is
no way you can verify it. The cURL library even allows you to send any data
you want as the http refer string.

I wouldn't be to worried if you're using this for something like a
guestbook, but if %100 reliable security is needed, you need to use
something else.

What you can do is encode the current time stamp (with something strong) and
pass that as a variable.
That way you can tell if someone tries to use an old string.

> Chris,
>
> Thank you for you comment. What are some of the browsers that do not
support
> http_referrer?
>
> Pinyo
>




From webapprentice at onemain.com  Fri May 16 13:38:43 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Stephen Tang)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:38:43 -0400 (GMT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Browser's local time?
Message-ID: <5497682.1053117524083.JavaMail.nobody@dewey.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

My experience with that is to use Javascript to display the user machine's local time (the Javascript asks the browser to display what it sees as the local time as dictated by the Operating System...so if the OS has the wrong time, it will show the wrong time.

--Stephen

-------Original Message-------
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>
Sent: 05/16/03 04:15 PM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Browser's local time?

> 
> Folks:
I would like to display the time on my web server, along with the time
on the user's local machine, so that users can see any clock skew.  Is
this possible in straight PHP, or do I have to write JavaScript or
something similar?
-c

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href="http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo">http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo</a>

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From nestorflorez at earthlink.net  Fri May 16 16:54:25 2003
From: nestorflorez at earthlink.net (Nestor Florez)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:54:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help with regex
Message-ID: <7213432.1053118519689.JavaMail.nobody@beaker.psp.pas.earthlink.net>

Dan et all,

Thanks for your help, I was able to do what I wanted 
Using the following regex
 $_ =~ s/.*[^>]+>(.*[^<])<\\/td>/\\1/gi;

I decide to use perl instead PHP because it was a lot easier reading the files in perl with the "while(<FILE>)", but I prefer PHP for creating web pages.
When I tried using php
-----------------------
33 $content = file($myfile);                #readfile into array
34 foreach($content as $line_num => $line) 
35 {
36   $a = "/.*[^>]+>(.*[^<])<\\/td>/\\1/";    #reg expression
37   $line = preg_replace($a, '$1', $line); #replace
38 }
------------------------------
I still get an error:
Warning: Unknown modifier '
' in c:\\program files\\apache group\\apache\\htdocs\\php\\readphone.php on line 37

My problem is solved, but I wish what was causing the error message.

Thnaks again to all,

Nestor :-)


Is ther an easy way to read a file in PHP like there is in perl
-------Original Message-------
From: Analysis & Solutions <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
Sent: 05/16/03 09:28 AM
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Help with regex

> 
> Hi Nestor:

On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 11:27:23AM -0400, Nestor Florez wrote:

>    <td width="49">205</td>
>
>  $line = ereg_replace(".*>", "", $line);

As you probably realized, this is too greedy.  The reason is because ".*"
is matching ANY character, including ">" so it goes through the whole line
until it gets to the final ">"  This can be tweaked a tad so all
characters except ">" are 

    $line = ereg_replace('^[^>]+>', '', $line);

Also notice the anchoring of the expression to the start of the line to 
avoid the expression repeating it's actions on subsequent >'s, and the use 

of single quotes since no variables are in the expressions.


> $line = ereg_replace(".*?>", "", $line);

You're on the right track, but "?" is for preg expressions.  So, another 
option is converting it to a preg function:

   $line = preg_replace('/^.*?>/', '', $line);

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Fri May 16 16:58:04 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:58:04 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Help with regex
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D3B@pcsnet>

the error sounds like a file translation problem...

this may be crazy but erase and replace all the whitespace on line 37...

gary

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nestor Florez [mailto:nestorflorez at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Friday, 16 May, 2003 1:55 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Help with regex
> 
> 
> Dan et all,
> 
> Thanks for your help, I was able to do what I wanted 
> Using the following regex
>  $_ =~ s/.*[^>]+>(.*[^<])<\\/td>/\\1/gi;
> 
> I decide to use perl instead PHP because it was a lot easier 
> reading the files in perl with the "while(<FILE>)", but I 
> prefer PHP for creating web pages.
> When I tried using php
> -----------------------
> 33 $content = file($myfile);                #readfile into array
> 34 foreach($content as $line_num => $line) 
> 35 {
> 36   $a = "/.*[^>]+>(.*[^<])<\\/td>/\\1/";    #reg expression
> 37   $line = preg_replace($a, '$1', $line); #replace
> 38 }
> ------------------------------
> I still get an error:
> Warning: Unknown modifier '
' in c:\\program files\\apache 
> group\\apache\\htdocs\\php\\readphone.php on line 37
> 
> My problem is solved, but I wish what was causing the error message.
> 
> Thnaks again to all,
> 
> Nestor :-)
> 
> 
> Is ther an easy way to read a file in PHP like there is in perl
> -------Original Message-------
> From: Analysis & Solutions <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
> Sent: 05/16/03 09:28 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Help with regex
> 
> > 
> > Hi Nestor:
> 
> On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 11:27:23AM -0400, Nestor Florez wrote:
> 
> >    <td width="49">205</td>
> >
> >  $line = ereg_replace(".*>", "", $line);
> 
> As you probably realized, this is too greedy.  The reason is 
> because ".*"
> is matching ANY character, including ">" so it goes through 
> the whole line
> until it gets to the final ">"  This can be tweaked a tad so all
> characters except ">" are 
> 
>     $line = ereg_replace('^[^>]+>', '', $line);
> 
> Also notice the anchoring of the expression to the start of 
> the line to 
> avoid the expression repeating it's actions on subsequent 
> >'s, and the use 
> 
> of single quotes since no variables are in the expressions.
> 
> 
> > $line = ereg_replace(".*?>", "", $line);
> 
> You're on the right track, but "?" is for preg expressions.  
> So, another 
> option is converting it to a preg function:
> 
>    $line = preg_replace('/^.*?>/', '', $line);
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> --Dan
> 
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From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Fri May 16 18:06:51 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 18:06:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Browser's local time?
In-Reply-To: <200305162039.h4GKclaD081510@parsec.nyphp.org>; from webapprentice@onemain.com on Fri, May 16, 2003 at 04:38:47PM -0400
References: <200305162039.h4GKclaD081510@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030516180651.B19459@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

On 2003-05-16 16:38 -0400, Stephen Tang <webapprentice at onemain.com> wrote:

> My experience with that is to use Javascript to display the user
> machine's local time (the Javascript asks the browser to display
> what it sees as the local time as dictated by the Operating
> System...so if the OS has the wrong time, it will show the wrong
> time.

I've never written any JavaScript.  Can anyone recommend a good web
site to learn the basics from?

-- 
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Flon's Law: There is not now, and never will be, a language in which
it is the least bit difficult to write bad programs.


From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Fri May 16 18:08:35 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:08:35 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Browser's local time?
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D3C@pcsnet>

http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamicindex6/index.html

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher R. Merlo [mailto:cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu]
> Sent: Friday, 16 May, 2003 3:07 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Browser's local time?
> 
> 
> On 2003-05-16 16:38 -0400, Stephen Tang 
> <webapprentice at onemain.com> wrote:
> 
> > My experience with that is to use Javascript to display the user
> > machine's local time (the Javascript asks the browser to display
> > what it sees as the local time as dictated by the Operating
> > System...so if the OS has the wrong time, it will show the wrong
> > time.
> 
> I've never written any JavaScript.  Can anyone recommend a good web
> site to learn the basics from?
> 
> -- 
> cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        
> http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo
> 
> Flon's Law: There is not now, and never will be, a language in which
> it is the least bit difficult to write bad programs.
> 
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From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Fri May 16 18:10:05 2003
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 18:10:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Browser's local time?
In-Reply-To: <200305162207.h4GM6sX7085621@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOEENCCGAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>

this is a good place to start:  http://www.javascript.com  ;)

-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Christopher R. Merlo [mailto:cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu]
-> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:07 PM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Browser's local time?
-> 
-> 
-> On 2003-05-16 16:38 -0400, Stephen Tang 
-> <webapprentice at onemain.com> wrote:
-> 
-> > My experience with that is to use Javascript to display the user
-> > machine's local time (the Javascript asks the browser to display
-> > what it sees as the local time as dictated by the Operating
-> > System...so if the OS has the wrong time, it will show the wrong
-> > time.
-> 
-> I've never written any JavaScript.  Can anyone recommend a good web
-> site to learn the basics from?
-> 
-> -- 
-> cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo
-> 
-> Flon's Law: There is not now, and never will be, a language in which
-> it is the least bit difficult to write bad programs.
-> 
-> 
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-> 
-> 
-> 



From webapprentice at onemain.com  Fri May 16 18:17:03 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Webapprentice)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 18:17:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Browser's local time?
In-Reply-To: <200305162207.h4GM6sXZ085621@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305162207.h4GM6sXZ085621@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EC5635F.7080206@onemain.com>

Try this for starters.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~ppk/js/date.html

This is a tutorial on Javascript date/time.

--Stephen

Christopher R. Merlo wrote:
> On 2003-05-16 16:38 -0400, Stephen Tang <webapprentice at onemain.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>My experience with that is to use Javascript to display the user
>>machine's local time (the Javascript asks the browser to display
>>what it sees as the local time as dictated by the Operating
>>System...so if the OS has the wrong time, it will show the wrong
>>time.
> 
> 
> I've never written any JavaScript.  Can anyone recommend a good web
> site to learn the basics from?
> 




From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Fri May 16 20:27:56 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:27:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Browser's local time?
In-Reply-To: <200305162016.h4GKFfaD079771@parsec.nyphp.org>; from cmerlo@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu on Fri, May 16, 2003 at 04:15:41PM -0400
References: <200305162016.h4GKFfaD079771@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030516202756.C19459@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

Thank you all for the links.  I got it working.
http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo/devel/, in case you're
interested.

-- 
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Flon's Law: There is not now, and never will be, a language in which
it is the least bit difficult to write bad programs.


From dennis at webstew.com  Fri May 16 07:48:09 2003
From: dennis at webstew.com (Dennis Butler)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:48:09 -0400
Subject: Highlighting keywords in query
Message-ID: <3EC4CFF9.6070002@webstew.com>

If I wanted to print just the keywords the user typed into a form, 
within the query results, say in a red font, but leave the rest of the 
data from the table cell in black, is there a way of inserting some 
logic inside the print statement within an SQL query to isolate only the 
matched word that was typed in. 

Let's say I typed in "dynamics" in the keyword field of the form and my 
results were lists of titles such as "Intensity dependence and transient 
dynamics of donor-- acceptor pair recombination in ZnO thin films grown 
on (001) silicon"  I want only the word "dynamics" to be red and the 
rest of the title to be black, is this possible with a MySQL query?

Thanks,
Dennis




From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sat May 17 13:35:04 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 13:35:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Highlighting keywords in query
In-Reply-To: <200305171531.h4HFUuQx019054@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305171531.h4HFUuQx019054@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030517173503.GA19740@panix.com>

Hi Dennis:

On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 11:30:56AM -0400, Dennis Butler wrote:
> If I wanted to print just the keywords the user typed into a form, 
> within the query results, say in a red font, but leave the rest of the 
> data from the table cell in black, is there a way of inserting some 
> logic inside the print statement within an SQL query to isolate only the 
> matched word that was typed in.

There are probably existing tutorials out there about this.  I haven't
done this personally.  But, I can think of two ways to do it.

One is in the SQL query.  For example, MySQL has a REPLACE() function.

The other is a preg_replace() the resulting text before you output it.  
I'd probably go this way.  Get your search terms into a string.  There are 
lots of ways to do this, depending on how your searh terms are initially 
acquired/defined, but here's one:

   $Terms = implode('|', $SearchTerms);

Then put the terms into a regex:

   $out = preg_replace("/($Terms)/i", 
                       '<b class="term">\\\\1</b>', $out);

Then use style sheets to make the "color" of the class "term" red.  This 
has better cross platform performance than <font> and uses less space:

   <style type="text/css">
      b.term {color: red}
   </style>

Note: the above code is off the top of my head and hasn't been tested.

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Sat May 17 14:24:55 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 14:24:55 -0400
Subject: broken link
Message-ID: <000001c31ca1$9dc01730$0d01a8c0@OBERON1>

To whom it may concern:

I was using the search form (entered a keyword ?build?). I go a response for
HYPERLINK
"http://newyorkphp.org/content/presentations/presentations.php"http://newyor
kphp.org/content/presentations/presentations.php

It 404?d

 


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From shemin.sr at verizon.net  Sat May 17 15:54:33 2003
From: shemin.sr at verizon.net (Susan Shemin)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 12:54:33 -0700
Subject: MySQL security
Message-ID: <000b01c31cae$3d90e8a0$56fc2f04@dslverizon.net>

How secure is a MySQL database?  I'm putting together a new site (with
individual logins), and I want to market the site on the basis that their
data will be secure, and no one can hack into it.  Can I say this with using
MySQL?

Susan



From pl at eskimo.com  Sat May 17 18:41:46 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 15:41:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: determining tab delimited or comma separated
Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.44.0305171538580.14929-100000@eskimo.com>

Is there a built-in function which determines if a record in a file is tab
delimited or comma separated?

--peter lehrer



From pl at eskimo.com  Sat May 17 20:49:54 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:49:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: LOAD DATA LOCAL INFILE
Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.44.0305171740480.14664-100000@eskimo.com>

I am using LOAD DATA LOCAL and I get this error message:

mysql> LOAD DATA LOCAL INFILE "down.dat" INTO TABLE 1rc;
ERROR 1148: The used command is not allowed with this MySQL version

The MySQL version is 3.23.49-log.
This error occurs both on Widnows 95 and RedHat 6.1.

The MySQL manual says that the LOCAL option should work on versions
3.22.15 and above so I don't know why it working on my version.

Any help in getting LOAD DATA LOCAL to work would be great.

Peter Lehrer



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Sat May 17 21:37:52 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 18:37:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL security
In-Reply-To: <200305171947.h4HJkMXJ029861@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030518013752.63278.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Susan Shemin <shemin.sr at verizon.net> wrote:
> How secure is a MySQL database?

Very.

> I'm putting together a new site (with
> individual logins), and I want to market the site on the basis that their
> data will be secure, and no one can hack into it.  Can I say this with
> using MySQL?

Certainly.

That said, MySQL's security depends on proper setup and use of it's
permissions system, as is the case with any other database.  And, if you will
only be accessing the DB from the local system, set MySQL not to listen on a
public socket with the disable-tcp configuration option in my.cnf.

An advantage that MySQL has is it's Open Source development model.  While I
realize that some would suggest Open Source is a security weakness,
especially in MySQL's I don't think this is so.  There are thousands of eyes
on the MySQL codebase, constantly auditing it and trying to weed out any
issues.

H


> 
> Susan
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Sat May 17 21:42:46 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 18:42:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] determining tab delimited or comma separated
In-Reply-To: <200305172242.h4HMfqXJ036295@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030518014246.35875.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Peter Lehrer <pl at eskimo.com> wrote:
> Is there a built-in function which determines if a record in a file is tab
> delimited or comma separated?

Not in PHP that I know of.  Typically, an entire file will either be tab or
comma seperated, not a particular record, and a parser is written to handle a
particular case.  Then, when processing a given file the fact if it's using
tabs, commas or even fixed-width is specified, since trying to guess from the
file's contents could lead to unexpected results.

H


> 
> --peter lehrer
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Sat May 17 21:43:48 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 18:43:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LOAD DATA LOCAL INFILE
In-Reply-To: <200305180050.h4I0nxXJ040337@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030518014348.56444.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Peter Lehrer <pl at eskimo.com> wrote:
> I am using LOAD DATA LOCAL and I get this error message:
> 
> mysql> LOAD DATA LOCAL INFILE "down.dat" INTO TABLE 1rc;
> ERROR 1148: The used command is not allowed with this MySQL version
> 
> The MySQL version is 3.23.49-log.
> This error occurs both on Widnows 95 and RedHat 6.1.
> 
> The MySQL manual says that the LOCAL option should work on versions
> 3.22.15 and above so I don't know why it working on my version.
> 
> Any help in getting LOAD DATA LOCAL to work would be great.

There were security issues with this command because it would allow MySQL to
potentially read any file (/etc/shadow for instance).

http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/LOAD_DATA_LOCAL.html

H

> 
> Peter Lehrer
> 
> 
> 
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From tim_gales at email.msn.com  Sat May 17 21:44:13 2003
From: tim_gales at email.msn.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 21:44:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LOAD DATA LOCAL INFILE
In-Reply-To: <200305180050.h4I0nxT5040337@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000001c31cde$fc367290$6d9bfea9@OBERON1>

Peter,

I am assuming you are using phpMyAdmin --
Try this: when you export the data use data and structure and click 
'add drop table' .
(Copy your table first of course, before trying this --
Or use a test table...)

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Lehrer [mailto:pl at eskimo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 8:50 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LOAD DATA LOCAL INFILE

I am using LOAD DATA LOCAL and I get this error message:

mysql> LOAD DATA LOCAL INFILE "down.dat" INTO TABLE 1rc;
ERROR 1148: The used command is not allowed with this MySQL version

The MySQL version is 3.23.49-log.
This error occurs both on Widnows 95 and RedHat 6.1.

The MySQL manual says that the LOCAL option should work on versions
3.22.15 and above so I don't know why it working on my version.

Any help in getting LOAD DATA LOCAL to work would be great.

Peter Lehrer



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From pl at eskimo.com  Sat May 17 23:17:03 2003
From: pl at eskimo.com (Peter Lehrer)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 20:17:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LOAD DATA LOCAL INFILE
In-Reply-To: <200305180144.h4I1hoTH043980@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSU.4.44.0305172013200.24600-100000@eskimo.com>

On Sat, 17 May 2003, Hans Zaunere wrote:

Got it to work. Thanks Hans.

Peter Lehrer

>
> --- Peter Lehrer <pl at eskimo.com> wrote:
> > I am using LOAD DATA LOCAL and I get this error message:
> >
> > mysql> LOAD DATA LOCAL INFILE "down.dat" INTO TABLE 1rc;
> > ERROR 1148: The used command is not allowed with this MySQL version
> >
> > The MySQL version is 3.23.49-log.
> > This error occurs both on Widnows 95 and RedHat 6.1.
> >
> > The MySQL manual says that the LOCAL option should work on versions
> > 3.22.15 and above so I don't know why it working on my version.
> >
> > Any help in getting LOAD DATA LOCAL to work would be great.
>
> There were security issues with this command because it would allow MySQL to
> potentially read any file (/etc/shadow for instance).
>
> http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/LOAD_DATA_LOCAL.html
>
> H
>
> >
> > Peter Lehrer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From markert at optonline.net  Sat May 17 23:31:30 2003
From: markert at optonline.net (John W. Markert)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 23:31:30 -0400
Subject: A few questions
Message-ID: <007b01c31cee$3f11ef40$0300a8c0@dads>

I could use a few answers from a kind sole out there....

When using PHP with MySQL is there a way to find the index of a field/column by providing the associative name? I have n related elements in a table that I want to process in a loop and I want to ask MySQL where to start processing.

Is there a way to get the logged in user name under Windows 2000 with PHP?

Thanks for  your help.

John

___________________________________________

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Phone: (973)838-8956
Cell: (201)788-1740
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From jadair at adairservices.net  Sun May 18 00:20:28 2003
From: jadair at adairservices.net (John Adair)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 00:20:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL security
In-Reply-To: <200305180137.h4I1btQd042360@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <PPECJLNMBDAGCKPLDCFMCEJNDAAA.jadair@adairservices.net>

I can't seem to find my my.cnf file.  I know mysql is up and running.
phpmyadmin can access it and all.  How do I figure out where the my.cnf file
(if by another name) is the actual configuration file in use.

Do you have any other security advice?

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:zaunere at yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 9:38 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL security



--- Susan Shemin <shemin.sr at verizon.net> wrote:
> How secure is a MySQL database?

Very.

> I'm putting together a new site (with
> individual logins), and I want to market the site on the basis that their
> data will be secure, and no one can hack into it.  Can I say this with
> using MySQL?

Certainly.

That said, MySQL's security depends on proper setup and use of it's
permissions system, as is the case with any other database.  And, if you
will
only be accessing the DB from the local system, set MySQL not to listen on a
public socket with the disable-tcp configuration option in my.cnf.

An advantage that MySQL has is it's Open Source development model.  While I
realize that some would suggest Open Source is a security weakness,
especially in MySQL's I don't think this is so.  There are thousands of eyes
on the MySQL codebase, constantly auditing it and trying to weed out any
issues.

H


>
> Susan
>
>
>
>
>
>



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From delta at rochester.rr.com  Sun May 18 08:46:02 2003
From: delta at rochester.rr.com (deedee)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 08:46:02 -0400
Subject: archive the news to 'next page'
Message-ID: <00bb01c31d3b$723e3020$fc00fe0a@KEITZWS2>

if you would like to see what i'm working on at www.keitz.org, 
below the banner i have some 'news' i retrieve from a mysql database.
i'm trying to do something that i'm sure is done on everysite... the news is getting overwhelming for the homepage so i  thought i'd put a link to the 'archives'.

in order to use the code (sql_calc_found_rows) i wanted to use i had to upgrade .... finally i'm getting somewhere with the following code.

$query = "SELECT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS DATE_FORMAT(Newsdate,'<CENTER>%W<BR>%D %M %Y %r</CENTER>'),
News FROM www_news ORDER BY NewsDate DESC limit 3;";

$result = mysql_query($query,$link);
if (!$result) {
die("<h2>!queryErr - error executing query.</h2><br>$query");
}

$sql_news_count = "SELECT FOUND_ROWS()";

$count_news_results = mysql_result (mysql_query ( $sql_news_count ),3);

//print "<B>News ($count_news_results):</B>";

<TH bgcolor="#A0A0A0" width="70%" nowrap>3 of <?print ($count_news_results);?> news articles</TH>
<TH bgcolor="#A0A0A0" width="15%" nowrap>Archives</TH>

<?


$AltColor ="#F0F0F0";


while ($field = mysql_fetch_row($result)) {

$Date =$field[0];
$News =$field[1];

print("<TR>");

print("<TD colspan=\\"3\\"bgcolor=\\"$AltColor\\"><CENTER><FONT color=\\"#0000A0\\">$Date<BR>$News</CENTER></TD>");
print("</TR>");

if ($AltColor == "#F0F0F0") {
$AltColor = "#E0E0E0";
}

else {
$AltColor = "#F0F0F0";
}

}


?>

SO...... i'm going to make an HREF for the word Archives to something like new1.php and then i need to somehow start a new starting reference point to display the news.  i know i have counted the total available news accurately because i got 11 when i put in the code  //print "<B>News ($count_news_results):</B>"; i guess i need to somehow define a variable that is equal to $count_news_results minus the three news articles i previously displayed.  but at somepoint i need a loop to end when i run out of news.  

i must be brain dead this morning....cuz i'm sure this is common code. thanks for any help you can offer.

regards,

deedee
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From chris at psydeshow.org  Sun May 18 10:09:53 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 10:09:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] archive the news to 'next page'
In-Reply-To: <200305181247.h4ICkDYR064961@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305181247.h4ICkDYR064961@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EC79431.60902@psydeshow.org>

deedee wrote:

>SO...... i'm going to make an HREF for the word Archives to something like new1.php and then i need to somehow start a new starting reference point to display the news.  i know i have counted the total available news accurately because i got 11 when i put in the code  //print "<B>News ($count_news_results):</B>"; i guess i need to somehow define a variable that is equal to $count_news_results minus the three news articles i previously displayed.  but at somepoint i need a loop to end when i run out of news.  
>
>  
>
The code I'd use would be something like this for the main page -- I'm 
not sure what FOUND_ROWS is, I've always used count on a column to find 
totals:

// set up the number to display on the main page:
$pagetotal= 3;

// get the total number of articles
$totalquery= "SELECT count(NewsDate) FROM www_news";
$totalresult= mysql_query($totalquery);
if ($array= mysql_fetch_row($totalresult)) $total= $array[0];

// display the first three
$query = "SELECT DATE_FORMAT(NewsDate,'<CENTER>%W<BR>%D %M %Y %r</CENTER>'),News FROM www_news ORDER BY NewsDate DESC LIMIT $pagetotal";
$result = mysql_query($query);
if (!$result) {
    die("<h2>!queryErr - error executing query.</h2><br>$query");
}

// use your while loop to print the news...
while ($array= mysql_fetch_row($result)) {
   etc. etc. etc.
}

// then for the link to the archives
if ($total > $pagetotal) {
    $archive= $total - $pagetotal;
    print "<a href='newsarchive.php?offset=$pagetotal'>news archive ($archive stories)</a>";
}



And in newsarchive.php you would use the offset you sent to build the query:

$offset= $_GET['offset'];
$query = "SELECT DATE_FORMAT(NewsDate,'<CENTER>%W<BR>%D %M %Y %r</CENTER>'),News FROM www_news ORDER BY NewsDate DESC LIMIT $offset, -1";
// the -1 means select from $offset to the end of the record set




From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Sun May 18 12:45:48 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 12:45:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] archive the news to 'next page'
In-Reply-To: <200305181247.h4ICkDaD064961@parsec.nyphp.org>; from delta@rochester.rr.com on Sun, May 18, 2003 at 08:46:13AM -0400
References: <200305181247.h4ICkDaD064961@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030518124548.G19459@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

Deedee:
Here's what I put in my left-side nav thing:

***

$news_query = "select topic, date from site_news order by date desc";
$news_result = @mysql_query( $news_query );

// Notice on next line, I assume that there's more than two news items

for( $i = 0; $i < 2; $i++ ) {
  $row = @mysql_fetch_assoc( $news_result );
    print "          <p><b>" . $row[ "topic" ] . "</b><br />"
        . date( "j M Y g:i a", strtotime( $row[ "date" ] ) )
  . "</p>\
";
}
print "          <p align=\\"left\\">";
print_link( "$docroot/news.php", "Read Site News..." );
print "</p>\
";

***

The assumption works because it's my site top to bottom.  YMMV.

The page news.php, which shows all the news, looks like this:

***

// Select all entries from site_news table
$news_query = "select * from site_news order by date desc";
$news_result = @mysql_query( $news_query );

// And display them
while( $row = @mysql_fetch_assoc( $news_result ) ) {
  print "<p class=\\"main\\"><font color=\\"blue\\"><large><b>"
      . $row[ "topic" ] . "</b></large></font> <small>[ "
      . date( "j M Y g:i a", strtotime( $row[ "date" ] ) )
      . " ]</small></p>\
";
  print "<p class=\\"main\\">" . $row[ "news" ] . "</p>\
";
}

***

BTW, just so you're not confused, this is code from my devel site.
The live site actually displays the first two items on the front page,
not just headlines and dates, and doesn't display anything in the nav
bar.

HTH!
-c

-- 
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  -- Ted Turner


From zaunere at yahoo.com  Sun May 18 13:20:52 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 10:20:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL security
In-Reply-To: <200305180420.h4I4KIXJ051459@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030518172052.63869.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>


--- John Adair <jadair at adairservices.net> wrote:
> I can't seem to find my my.cnf file.  I know mysql is up and running.
> phpmyadmin can access it and all.  How do I figure out where the my.cnf
> file (if by another name) is the actual configuration file in use.

It can be a bit tricky, and really depends on your OS and how MySQL was
setup.  If you used a RedHat RPM, for instance, then my.cnf should be in
/etc.  If not, you just need to create one there.  If you've compiled from
source or installed the binary package mysql.com then my.cnf isn't created by
default so you can just create it in either /etc/ or in your data directory. 
If this is Windows, sorry, I have no idea :)  (but typically, you can create
the my.cnf in your data directory and it'll get picked up).

> Do you have any other security advice?

Well, for instance, if you're setting up a shared server, where multiple
people will have DBs, some of the privacy/etc settings are nice
(http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Privileges_options.html).  And, in general, just
be diligent with giving permissions, trying to the most restrictive and
becoming more lenient from there.

H


> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:zaunere at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 9:38 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL security
> 
> 
> 
> --- Susan Shemin <shemin.sr at verizon.net> wrote:
> > How secure is a MySQL database?
> 
> Very.
> 
> > I'm putting together a new site (with
> > individual logins), and I want to market the site on the basis that their
> > data will be secure, and no one can hack into it.  Can I say this with
> > using MySQL?
> 
> Certainly.
> 
> That said, MySQL's security depends on proper setup and use of it's
> permissions system, as is the case with any other database.  And, if you
> will
> only be accessing the DB from the local system, set MySQL not to listen on
> a
> public socket with the disable-tcp configuration option in my.cnf.
> 
> An advantage that MySQL has is it's Open Source development model.  While I
> realize that some would suggest Open Source is a security weakness,
> especially in MySQL's I don't think this is so.  There are thousands of
> eyes
> on the MySQL codebase, constantly auditing it and trying to weed out any
> issues.
> 
> H
> 
> 
> >
> > Susan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Sun May 18 13:28:45 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 10:28:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A few questions
In-Reply-To: <200305180333.h4I3XFXJ049406@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030518172845.62186.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "John W. Markert" <markert at optonline.net> wrote:
> I could use a few answers from a kind sole out there....
> 
> When using PHP with MySQL is there a way to find the index of a
> field/column by providing the associative name? I have n related elements
> in a table that I want to process in a loop and I want to ask MySQL where
> to start processing.

I'm not sure if I understand 100%, but maybe all you need is a SELECT
statement?  Something like:

SELECT * FROM mytable WHERE col1='name'

If you need to restrict the results more, you can of course add tests to the
WHERE clause.

> Is there a way to get the logged in user name under Windows 2000 with PHP?

I'm assuming you mean with PHP running under Windows 2000 as the server
environment?  If so, then phpinfo(); should give you a broad list of
available environment variables, one of which being the user that owns the
process.

H

> Thanks for  your help.
> 
> John
> 
> ___________________________________________
> 
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> 14 Joanna Way
> Kinnelon, NJ 07405
> Phone: (973)838-8956
> Cell: (201)788-1740
> Fax: (973)838-4561 
> 
> 
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From delta at rochester.rr.com  Sun May 18 21:36:45 2003
From: delta at rochester.rr.com (deedee)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:36:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] archive the news to 'next page'
References: <200305181729.h4IHSmYj075497@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001201c31da7$1bbcfc60$fc00fe0a@KEITZWS2>

thank you everyone who offered assistance, the archive/more news
functionality is in production!

on a side note,  SELECT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS (using mysql 4.0.12) determines
the number of rows in a query without looping through and counting
everything...very helpful when the database contains hundreds or thousands
of records.  The number of rows can then be retrieved with SELECT
FOUND_ROWS().

regards,
deedee





From nestorflorez at earthlink.net  Mon May 19 00:20:05 2003
From: nestorflorez at earthlink.net (Nestor)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 21:20:05 -0700
Subject: regex help
In-Reply-To: <20030516155729.48097.qmail@web40406.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <JGEJLKLOALIMKPDCOBKCKEJIEKAA.nestorflorez@earthlink.net>

Thanks to all forthe regex help
I actualy was trying to accomplish this in PHP but
I ended up doing it in perl.  It was easier reading the file
itself.

 $_ =~ s/.*[^>]+>(.*[^<])<\\/td>/\\1/gi;

Thanks again,

nestor :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Ovid [mailto:poec at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 8:57 AM
To: Dennis Stout; Nestor Florez; beginners-cgi at perl.org
Cc: nflorez at guhsd.net
Subject: Re: regex help


--- Dennis Stout <stout at stout.dyndns.org> wrote:
> Or this:
>
> $_ = s/<td .*>(.*)<\\/td>//gi;

Comments:

1.  The binding operator (=~) should be used.
2.  If $_ is used, then it's redundant and can be omitted.
3.  It's broken.  The following demonstrates:

  $_ = '<td width="10">this</td><td with="10">that</td>';
  s/<td .*>(.*)<\\/td>//gi;
  print $1;

Cheers,
Ovid

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May 19 01:04:44 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 01:04:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL security
In-Reply-To: <200305180420.h4I4KIQx051459@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305180420.h4I4KIQx051459@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030519050444.GA20451@panix.com>

Hi John:

On Sun, May 18, 2003 at 12:20:18AM -0400, John Adair wrote:
> I can't seem to find my my.cnf file.

One isn't installed by default, necessarily.  What does come with the
distribution, at least on Windows, is a set of sample files.  They're in
the root of your MySQL direcory, with names like "my-small.cnf" and
"my-huge.cnf."  Copy an appropriate one to the appropriate location: /etc
or c:\\.  It's also a good idea to put a blank one in your mysql/data
directory, just to make sure a malicious one doesn't get put there.  Now,
MAKE SURE the file permissions on these files don't allow anyone but the
system administrator to change their contents.


> phpmyadmin can access it and all.

I stay away from third party convenience tools like that.  phpmyadmin has 
had some very basic vulnerabilities.  Plus, I imagine one can store 
passwords in a file


> Do you have any other security advice?

Put your database username/password in one separate file which you then
include from the rest of your scripts.  Then, place that file in a secure
location, preferably not in the document root of the web server.  Then
make sure permissions on that file only allow authorized persons to view,
let alone, heaven forbid, edit it.

Finally, the default MySQL distribution has several security openings.  Do 
the following queries to close them.

   delete from user where Host='%';
   delete from user where User='';
   delete from db where Host='%';
   update user set User='NewRootName',
      Password=password('NewPassword') where User='root';
   flush privileges; 

I've got an execllent tutorial regarding MySQL installation.  While it 
focuses on Windows machines, there are lots of general tips in there too.  
It's on line at http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/mybasic.htm

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May 19 01:08:58 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 01:08:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] determining tab delimited or comma separated
In-Reply-To: <200305172241.h4HMfqQx036295@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305172241.h4HMfqQx036295@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030519050858.GB20451@panix.com>

On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 06:41:52PM -0400, Peter Lehrer wrote:
> Is there a built-in function which determines if a record in a file is tab
> delimited or comma separated?

No.  But you could make a guess by doing explode(',', $line) and 
explode("\
", $line) and see which one produces the number of expected 
array elements.

As Hans suggested, a file should be in one format.

--Dan

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May 19 01:22:10 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 01:22:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] A few questions
In-Reply-To: <200305180333.h4I3XFQx049406@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305180333.h4I3XFQx049406@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030519052210.GC20451@panix.com>

Sire:

On Sat, May 17, 2003 at 11:33:15PM -0400, John W. Markert wrote:
> 
> When using PHP with MySQL is there a way to find the index of a
> field/column by providing the associative name? I have n related
> elements in a table that I want to process in a loop and I want to ask
> MySQL where to start processing.

I don't believe there is one directly.  You could try to rig something up
using mysql_fetch_array().  That returns an array containing values of
both assciative and enumerated keys.  Then you might be able to find your
answer using array_search().  Hmm...  Actually, create two arrays.  One
enumerated.  One associative.  Find the value from the associative.  Then
use that value as the needle in the enumerated array "haystack" via
array_search().

But, after all that's said, I don't really see the point.  Why are you 
trying to do this?  Sounds like you're creating a problem or attacking 
something in a way that may be better approachced from another direction.

--Dan

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From steve at soler.net  Mon May 19 01:25:29 2003
From: steve at soler.net (Steve Soler)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 01:25:29 -0400
Subject: Seeking PHP/MySQL Freelancer
Message-ID: <4DB4B04E-89BA-11D7-8EDF-003065481BD8@soler.net>

I'm looking for a PHP/MySQL developer willing to work with my company 
on a freelance basis.  I don't currently have any major projects 
available, but a few minor ones.  I'm really looking for one reliable 
developer that can work with my company on a regular freelance basis as 
we take on more and more PHP projects.  It may start off slow, but I 
intend for the work flow to pick up in due time.

If you are interested please visit my website and fill out the online 
resume/application
http://hr.soler.net/

Thanks in advance!

- Steve Soler



From tech_learner at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 01:53:33 2003
From: tech_learner at yahoo.com (Tracy)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:53:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
In-Reply-To: <200305141914.h4EJCu0t001511@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030519055333.70942.qmail@web14305.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone,
i hope u have found the solution u want...
if not and if u dont mind, plz take a look at this book "Professional PHP4 Programming". the codes are available for download. this book has 4 case studies, one is on protein database. i feel it would help in yr case too.
 
All the best. n excuse such a sudden late reply.
Tracy


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From brent at landover.com  Mon May 19 09:33:07 2003
From: brent at landover.com (Brent Baisley)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 09:33:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Highlighting keywords in query
In-Reply-To: <200305171531.h4HFUuVj019054@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <6D4D7175-89FE-11D7-83CC-0050E4C5CF70@landover.com>

Why would you want to do it in the query? Formatting, like color, 
should really be done in the presentation layer. For my purposes I 
create 10 classes in my style sheets so that I can hilight up 10 search 
words in different colors. I then do a search and replace on the words 
so that "dynamics" would be changed to <span 
class="searchword1">dynamics</span>. This won't interfere with any of 
you other formatting or color schemes you have in place.


On Saturday, May 17, 2003, at 11:30 AM, Dennis Butler wrote:

> Let's say I typed in "dynamics" in the keyword field of the form and my
> results were lists of titles such as "Intensity dependence and 
> transient
> dynamics of donor-- acceptor pair recombination in ZnO thin films grown
> on (001) silicon"  I want only the word "dynamics" to be red and the
> rest of the title to be black, is this possible with a MySQL query?
>
-- 
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Systems Architect
Landover Associates, Inc.
Search & Advisory Services for Advanced Technology Environments
p: 212.759.6400/800.759.0577



From jfreeman at amnh.org  Mon May 19 15:33:08 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:33:08 -0400
Subject: are enums verboten?
Message-ID: <BAEEA9B4.BDE7%jfreeman@amnh.org>

First, thanks to everyone who answered my last salvo of questions.  I look
forward to moving down to NY this summer so I can start meeting you in
person at NYPHP meetings...


This one is more of a MySQL question than a PHP question but here goes..

I'm creating a LAMP app. for a scientist who needs to gather a crapload of
information about a collection of scientific specimens.

The main table ('specimens') has 61 fields.

For fields such as 'species_id' what will go in there is simply the id
number referencing information from a lookup table containing 20 or 30
species names, each with an id number.

(species_id smallint(6) NOT NULL default '0')

For fields such as 'priority' or 'condition' I'm thinking of using type
'enum':

priority enum('1','2','3','4') NOT NULL default '1',
gen_condition enum('good','fair','poor','very poor') NOT NULL default
'good'...

Is this alright?..

or.. should I do the same thing with 'priority' and 'gen_condition' that I
do with 'species_id' ?...

An additional question:

there are NUMEROUS questions in the survey that ask the surveyor to choose
between 'high - moderate - low' ... in reference to various different
parameters in the survey.

do i have just ONE table that looks up 'high', 'moderate', 'low' (like the
species lookup table which has two fields- species_id and species_name) or
do I make different lookup tables for 'high', 'moderate', 'low'... once for
each question in the survey asking "how much incidence of blah-blah do you
see ? high? medium? low?"

I hope my questions are clear.  I look forward to some guidance.

Thanks!

J.



From jfreeman at amnh.org  Mon May 19 15:43:02 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 15:43:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
In-Reply-To: <200305190553.h4J5raQv098614@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAEEAC06.BDF5%jfreeman@amnh.org>

not at all!  Thanks!.. who publishes the book?  is any of the code on the
'net for download?

J.

On 5/19/03 1:53 AM, "Tracy" <tech_learner at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> i hope u have found the solution u want...
> if not and if u dont mind, plz take a look at this book "Professional PHP4
> Programming". the codes are available for download. this book has 4 case
> studies, one is on protein database. i feel it would help in yr case too.
> 
> All the best. n excuse such a sudden late reply.
> Tracy
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Coming together is a beginning...
>  keeping together is progress...
>     working together is success !!!
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From louie at zibi.co.il  Mon May 19 16:06:15 2003
From: louie at zibi.co.il (louie)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:06:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
References: <200305191943.h4JJgnch024443@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001101c31e42$1b808c30$7552fea9@w3j5c4>

http://www.wrox.com/dynamic/books/download.aspx is the publisher i  think

best


----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at amnh.org>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...


> not at all!  Thanks!.. who publishes the book?  is any of the code on the
> 'net for download?
>
> J.
>
> On 5/19/03 1:53 AM, "Tracy" <tech_learner at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> > i hope u have found the solution u want...
> > if not and if u dont mind, plz take a look at this book "Professional
PHP4
> > Programming". the codes are available for download. this book has 4 case
> > studies, one is on protein database. i feel it would help in yr case
too.
> >
> > All the best. n excuse such a sudden late reply.
> > Tracy
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Coming together is a beginning...
> >  keeping together is progress...
> >     working together is success !!!
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>
>




From dkrook at hotmail.com  Mon May 19 17:04:53 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 17:04:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form confusion...
Message-ID: <BAY2-F128I4lQ5tX60L0000104b@hotmail.com>

Wrox is the publisher (sadly, now out of business),

The title you want is: Professional PHP4 Programming
http://www.wrox.com/dynamic/books/download.aspx?isbn=1861006918&email=

Code samples
http://web.wrox.com/professional/6918.zip (271k)




>not at all!  Thanks!.. who publishes the book?  is any of the code on the
>'net for download?

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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Mon May 19 19:17:01 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:17:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] are enums verboten?
In-Reply-To: <200305191933.h4JJWvXL023510@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030519231701.44840.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at amnh.org> wrote:
> First, thanks to everyone who answered my last salvo of questions.  I look
> forward to moving down to NY this summer so I can start meeting you in
> person at NYPHP meetings...
> 
> 
> This one is more of a MySQL question than a PHP question but here goes..
> 
> I'm creating a LAMP app. for a scientist who needs to gather a crapload of
> information about a collection of scientific specimens.
> 
> The main table ('specimens') has 61 fields.
> 
> For fields such as 'species_id' what will go in there is simply the id
> number referencing information from a lookup table containing 20 or 30
> species names, each with an id number.
> 
> (species_id smallint(6) NOT NULL default '0')
> 
> For fields such as 'priority' or 'condition' I'm thinking of using type
> 'enum':
> 
> priority enum('1','2','3','4') NOT NULL default '1',
> gen_condition enum('good','fair','poor','very poor') NOT NULL default
> 'good'...
> 
> Is this alright?..

Well, knowing how scientists (I don't know any, but watch the Science
Channel) they will ineveitably add 'very good', 'average', and so on.  While
this isn't nessecarily a bad thing, it is ineveitable.

> or.. should I do the same thing with 'priority' and 'gen_condition' that I
> do with 'species_id' ?...

Personally, I would.  I've played with the enum and set column types, and
always ended up going back to regular columns for various reasons (using
certain functions on columns, getting the values of a particular column, more
flexibility with joins, etc).  That said, set or enum columns certainly
aren't verboten, IMHO.

> An additional question:
> 
> there are NUMEROUS questions in the survey that ask the surveyor to choose
> between 'high - moderate - low' ... in reference to various different
> parameters in the survey.
> 
> do i have just ONE table that looks up 'high', 'moderate', 'low' (like the
> species lookup table which has two fields- species_id and species_name) or
> do I make different lookup tables for 'high', 'moderate', 'low'... once for
> each question in the survey asking "how much incidence of blah-blah do you
> see ? high? medium? low?"

I would go with just a single table.

Additionally, when I have a lot of options to select from, and the data is
all generally the same, I like to use just a single generic table, consisting
of an auto_increment id, possibly timestamp when the choice was added,
another int field to determine type of the row (a species, rating, etc) and
the value itself.  When delivering some research software for NYUCD I use a
single table to over 30+ types of oddball info and it worked very nicely.

Best,

H


> 
> I hope my questions are clear.  I look forward to some guidance.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> J.
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com  Mon May 19 19:29:59 2003
From: gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com (George Webb)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:29:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] are enums verboten?
Message-ID: <200305192330.h4JNU0BW019320@gw00.com>

Dear J.,

	According to a somewhat recent version of the MySQL manual,
enums are an efficient way to store the data you described, since
each item takes exactly one of a relatively few discrete values.
Also, the length of the enummed values you chose (e.g. 'good' /
'very poor' / etc.) doesn't really affect the storage or accessing
issues.  (So you can choose long, verbose, human-readable names just
as efficiently as short terse names.)

	I couldn't really follow your description, but it sounds if
you have a lot of enum fields in a table, each with the same set
of possible values, you might also want to consider having two
separate tables -- one main table, and a table of, say, high-medium-low
responses.  The 2nd table, would of course be keyed back to a unique ID
in the first table, as well as have its own field name key (i.e. which
high-medium-low question).

	I don't think it will matter as much for performance whichever
way you go.  The first way is simpler, but a little harder to add
fields, since you may have to hard-code all the column names into your
input HTML form, your PHP script, your MySQL table, and maybe also your
reporting HTML interfaces.  With the second (two-table) approach, you can
keep the list of fields flexible -- i.e. you won't have to change your
database structure whenever you add/remove fields.

	To be even more flexible, you could forget about the enum fields
(and efficiency thereof) and just store all the responses as TEXT
columns.  This would really allow you to easily add/remove fields from
your input and reporting interfaces.  If you have plenty of disk space
and CPU power at all times, you might rather trade efficiency for
flexibility.

	I recently built a "LAMP" form handler for a guy who had an HTML
questionnaire of some sort.  My handler simply cycles through all $_POST
fields, and inserts each field as its own row in the database.  So I made
two tables as described above: each questionnaire POST inserts one (1) row
into the first table, gets the last_insert_id from that operation, and then
stores a row in the other table for *each* of the $_POST fields/values.
The second table inserts also get keyed with that last_insert_id, in order
to tie each questionnaire's data together. The tables look like this:

mysql> desc q1_id;
+--------+--------------------------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+
| Field  | Type                           | Null | Key | Default | Extra          |
+--------+--------------------------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+
| id     | int(11)                        |      | PRI | NULL    | auto_increment |
| status | enum('NEW','DOWNLOAD','PURGE') |      |     | NEW     |                |
| ts     | timestamp(14)                  | YES  |     | NULL    |                |
+--------+--------------------------------+------+-----+---------+----------------+
3 rows in set (0.00 sec)

mysql> desc q1;
+-------+--------------------+------+-----+---------+-------+
| Field | Type               | Null | Key | Default | Extra |
+-------+--------------------+------+-----+---------+-------+
| id    | int(11)            |      | MUL | 0       |       |
| name  | varchar(16) binary |      | MUL |         |       |
| value | text               | YES  |     | NULL    |       |
+-------+--------------------+------+-----+---------+-------+
3 rows in set (0.00 sec)



	Then, the reporting interface works roughly like this:
1/ SELECT DISTINCT all field names from the second table -- in order to 
get a complete list of fields.  2/ SELECT second table LEFT JOIN first table
ORDER BY the common ID -- this groups all of the data for each submission
together.  3/ Loop through the results, watching for the common ID to change.
When it does, print out all the fields, in the order gotten in step 1/.
The result is a spreadsheet which changes dynamically whenever new fields
are added to the questionnaire.  I will never have to update the PHP
application or the MySQL structure.  The guy can change his own HTML fields,
and they will automatically appear in his spreadsheet report.

	I hope you find this half as interesting as I do!  Have fun re-writing!

Best,

George Webb
gw.nyphp at gwprogramming.com


From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Mon May 19 19:42:59 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 16:42:59 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] are enums verboten?
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D43@pcsnet>

my 2 cents:

	I started out loving enum fields, especially for storing the results
of select inputs from web forms. The romance was short lived. As I needed
more and more mined information from my db's, as well as having to create
more categories for the above mentioned selects the UNnormalized effect  in
my database took their toll on my short sighted design ideas. Basically,  my
way of thinking now is that if something in a table column changes with
greater frequency than the rest of the information in the row then it
probably should be pulled into another table. Hey, joins are quite speedy if
slightly complex at first :) A nice side affect of this practice is the
ability to keep a record of changes rather than just a write over of old
information (kinda roll your own tranactioning).

Gary

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon May 19 22:08:09 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 22:08:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] are enums verboten?
In-Reply-To: <200305191933.h4JJWvQx023510@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305191933.h4JJWvQx023510@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030520020809.GA1050@panix.com>

Hi Joshua:

I'd second Hans' motion to normalize the data.  First, because it allows 
adding, editing, deleting categories throughout the database by adjusting 
the values in one field, rather than having to issue several ALTER TABLE 
queries.  Second, it allows long term portability of your schema to other 
database management systems.

Considering your setup, I'd use a char(1) field so you can quickly make
sense out of the abbreviated value when viewing the output from the main
table.

--Dan

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From smanes at magpie.com  Mon May 19 23:00:11 2003
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 23:00:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] are enums verboten?
In-Reply-To: <200305191933.h4JJWvW7023510@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305191933.h4JJWvW7023510@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EC99A3B.9090105@magpie.com>

Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> For fields such as 'priority' or 'condition' I'm thinking of using type
> 'enum':

Tagging on a late reply, enums are cool but they become unwieldy with 
large sets.  They're mainly useful for protecting against range 
violations, which you can do just as easily in your application.  But 
mainly they're a poor substitute for foreign key constraints, or at 
least I think so.

I haven't played with InnoDB's FK constraints yet but the general idea 
is to create your restricted dataset in a reference table, indexed on a 
unique ID.  Then you reference that table from your main table whenever 
you add a new row with a species_id you want to have first defined:

CREATE TABLE ref_species (
	species_id INT NOT NULL,
	description VARCHAR2(100),
	PRIMARY KEY (id));

CREATE TABLE species (
	id INT NOT NULL,
	species_id NOT NULL,
	... more columns ...
	FOREIGN KEY (species_id) REFERENCES ref_species(species_id)
	ON DELETE SET NULL) TYPE=INNODB;

(or something like that).  What this does is prevent you from entering a 
species_id into 'species' that wasn't predefined in 'ref_species'.  This 
should be a last line of defense though because it will throw a db error 
if you try to do otherwise.  Your application should sanity-check that 
value before you ship it off to the database.






From smanes at magpie.com  Mon May 19 23:02:13 2003
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 23:02:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] are enums verboten?
In-Reply-To: <200305200300.h4K30FW7040225@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305200300.h4K30FW7040225@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3EC99AB5.8000206@magpie.com>

Steve Manes wrote:
> I haven't played with InnoDB's FK constraints yet but the general idea 
> is to create your restricted dataset in a reference table, indexed on a 
> unique ID.  Then you reference that table from your main table whenever 
> you add a new row with a species_id you want to have first defined:
> 
> CREATE TABLE ref_species (
> 	species_id INT NOT NULL,
> 	description VARCHAR2(100),
> 	PRIMARY KEY (id));

er... PRIMARY KEY (species_id).






From xml at aumcomputers.com  Tue May 20 06:09:39 2003
From: xml at aumcomputers.com (Anirudh Zala)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:39:39 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
Message-ID: <017701c31eb7$eeb147f0$0100007f@com1>

Larry

Let's have look about your problems 1 by 1

1: Problem of storing and accessing large volume of files in 1 container directory.

A: In such cases splitted directory structure solution is best like what "Rick Seeger" has suggested. Hence you can design a special directory structure that can generate new directory as and when total amout of files execeeds the limit say... 100 files per directory. Below sample function does that (it generate new directory as soon as "id" exceeds value 100)

// CRATES A DIRECTORY ACCORDING TO GIVEN ID AND PARENT DIR PATH
function createDir($id,$parent)
{
    $nd_dirlimit = 100;

    $mod = ceil($id/$nd_dirlimit) - 1;

    $dirs = $mod * $nd_dirlimit + 1;
    $dire = $dirs + $nd_dirlimit - 1;

    $tempDir = $dirs."_".$dire;

    if(! file_exists("$parent/$tempDir"))
          mkdir("$parent/$tempDir",0777);

    return "$tempDir";
}

By above method dirctory structure will be like ../1_100/, ../101_200/, ../201_300/ and in each directory file name with id say "1.xml" to "100.xml" (or with any name) will reside. Once above directory structure is implemented no script will crawl like now :D.

2: Importing Data into DB by parsing XML files

A: Use php's file "XPath.class.php" this is very nice OO file to parse XML documents at greater speed. It has lot of easy to use method and properties like $xml->evaluate, $xml->setAttributes, $xml->appendChild, $xml->removeAttribute, $xml->exportToFile etc...by which you can parse lot of XML documents like playing Zigsaw puzzles. It is very handy, class based php file. Check example at http://www.soi.city.ac.uk/~sa386/php/XPath_V2/testBench/useCases/

Some times it is useful to use Utilities of Perl and executing your perl/cgi scripts from console level. This very fastest and reliable method IF such doucmens are to be generated, read or write in batch mode. Perl's XML::DOM package helps here. Other advantage of such mechanism is that you can run such scripts seperately from other servers that has connection with your DB server, hence reduction of overhaed on your main server that has php scripts running.

Another method is XSQL that is powerful but still new to us and PHP, where your DB SQL is written directly into XML file that syncronises (update your XML document from DB by executing XSQL) your XML and DB from 2 ways. (Can't tell much here :( )

3: Is there another way to index and query large volumes of documents?

A: I am not getting here exactly your problem, But if you need faster document access from directory or file system (serching 1 file from million files) then answer of 1 st question can help here where you just need to search particular document from 100 files from documnet diretory, already given from DB.

And if question is related to Data then use of indexes (Indexing commonly used fields in Db like primary keys and foreigh keys) in mysql can make "Access of record" faster.

Thanks,

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Chuon" <LarryC at indexstock.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, 07 May, 2003 4:01 AM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files


> Thank you all for your quick responses.  I'll consider generating XML on the
> fly (still new at this).  Here's another question.  Besides importing the
> files to dB, is there another way to index and query large volumes of
> documents.  I'm going out of tangent a bit here.  Let say, I'm archiving
> tons of document for a public library.  They want to scan and digitize
> millions of articles.  What is the best way to index and search for articles
> say by keywords or captions?
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 5:53 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> 
> http://www.phpwebhosting.com/
> http://phphosts.codewalkers.com
> http://www.oinko.net/freephp
> www.free-php-hosting.com
> 
> cheap hosting... cheap db access... i love (hearts in eyes) mysql
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 2:41 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> >
> >
> > Importing the XML files into a database is an ideal solution,
> > unfortunately, not always an available one, such as in my
> > case.  I have
> > space on a remote server where database access is very
> > expensive (it's my
> > own site and out of my price range to afford db access), so I have to
> > resort to XML as well.  PHP parses XML extremely fast and
> > efficiently; I
> > highly recommend it.
> >
> > I'd use PHP's available XML parsers along with grouping them into
> > directories sorted by a date or some other delimiter to allow
> > for smaller
> > amount of files per directory.
> >
> > Phil
> >
> > Original Message:
> > -----------------
> > From: Analysis & Solutions danielc at analysisandsolutions.com
> > Date: Tue,  6 May 2003 17:35:16 -0400
> > To: talk at nyphp.org
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] XML files
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:49:21PM -0400, Larry Chuon wrote:
> > > I'm doing everything that you mention below.
> >
> > So, import the files into a database and get rid of the XML files.
> >
> > Here's a quick tutorial on how to parse XML in PHP:
> >    http:www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/phpxml.htm
> >
> > Enjoy,
> >
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue May 20 15:28:06 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:28:06 -0700
Subject: PHP CLI / Cygwin
Message-ID: <000501c31f05$f09e0050$6400a8c0@Townsend>

kinda retarded question, but how do you get php to interpret directly on the
command line within the script itself?

#!/cygdrive/c/php/cli/php -q

<?php
    // code
?>

seems to have no effect ...

- jon



From markert at optonline.net  Tue May 20 13:23:04 2003
From: markert at optonline.net (John W. Markert)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:23:04 -0400
Subject: debugger
Message-ID: <001b01c31ef4$79a42580$0300a8c0@dads>

Hi All...

Does anyone know of any PHP debugging tools other than PHP info? thanks.

John
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From ophir at prusak.com  Tue May 20 13:37:30 2003
From: ophir at prusak.com (Ophir Prusak)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:37:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] debugger
References: <200305201724.h4KHN0YP065025@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <019501c31ef6$7cf7ab60$bf65a8c0@tag1002>

zend studio has a very nice debugging tool

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John W. Markert" <markert at optonline.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 1:23 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] debugger


> Hi All...
> 
> Does anyone know of any PHP debugging tools other than PHP info? thanks.
> 
> John
> ___________________________________________
> 
> John W. Markert
> 14 Joanna Way
> Kinnelon, NJ 07405
> Phone: (973)838-8956
> Cell: (201)788-1740
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From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Tue May 20 13:40:31 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 11:40:31 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] debugger
References: <200305201723.h4KHN0VR065025@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000801c31ef6$ea0881c0$0200000a@Pentium700>

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W. Markert" <markert at optonline.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 11:23 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] debugger


Hi All...

Does anyone know of any PHP debugging tools other than PHP info? thanks.


well, depends on what you'd like to do and what box things are running
on...

given that phpinfo( ) can help in certain circumstances, you can place
echo or print statements strategically in your code as well as make use
of var_dump( ) and print_r( ).

print_r is particularly handy...

if on the other hand you're looking for a development/debugging
environment, Zend provides that in their Zend Studio product (for $) and
thereare also debuggers that run on a particular platform like gdb --
although gdb (the GNU debugger) may be more than you're looking for..




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From dkrook at hotmail.com  Tue May 20 13:40:52 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:40:52 -0400
Subject: Closing ?> tag
Message-ID: <BAY2-F91wcSBsfnof7300015ce8@hotmail.com>

Greetings,

I noticed at Zeev's demo of the Zend Studio that he tended to leave off the 
end ?> tag when writing up sample code.


In the phpComponents documentation (http://pcoms.net/submit.php), Hans 
advises leaving it off:

"Layout: The first line of pCom source should only contain <?php the full 
opening PHP tag. Closing PHP tags must not be used...The full opening PHP 
tag <?php should always be used, where as closing tags should never be 
used."


On the other hand, Sterling strongly advises that it not be left off 
(http://lists.php.net/article.php?group=php.lang&article=403):

"I definitely think that _you_ should do it."


Is there any rationale for leaving it off?  Style? Performance?  Ensuring 
that you're keeping logic separate from presentation templates?


Thanks for any thoughts,
-Dan






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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May 20 13:44:43 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 10:44:43 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Closing ?> tag
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D46@pcsnet>

the whole idea makes me uncomfortable. like leaving dishes in the sink.

what happens when including unclosed files with mixed html/php?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: D C Krook [mailto:dkrook at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 20 May, 2003 10:41 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Closing ?> tag
> 
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I noticed at Zeev's demo of the Zend Studio that he tended to 
> leave off the 
> end ?> tag when writing up sample code.
> 
> 
> In the phpComponents documentation 
> (http://pcoms.net/submit.php), Hans 
> advises leaving it off:
> 
> "Layout: The first line of pCom source should only contain 
> <?php the full 
> opening PHP tag. Closing PHP tags must not be used...The full 
> opening PHP 
> tag <?php should always be used, where as closing tags should 
> never be 
> used."
> 
> 
> On the other hand, Sterling strongly advises that it not be left off 
> (http://lists.php.net/article.php?group=php.lang&article=403):
> 
> "I definitely think that _you_ should do it."
> 
> 
> Is there any rationale for leaving it off?  Style? 
> Performance?  Ensuring 
> that you're keeping logic separate from presentation templates?
> 
> 
> Thanks for any thoughts,
> -Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From tim_gales at msn.com  Tue May 20 13:45:43 2003
From: tim_gales at msn.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:45:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] debugger
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From chris at psydeshow.org  Tue May 20 14:09:02 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 14:09:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Closing ?> tag
In-Reply-To: <200305201742.h4KHetYT067045@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305201742.h4KHetYT067045@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ECA6F3E.5010504@psydeshow.org>

D C Krook wrote:

>Greetings,
>
>I noticed at Zeev's demo of the Zend Studio that he tended to leave off the 
>end ?> tag when writing up sample code.
>
>  
>
I noticed that too -- and I was happy to see it since the editor I use 
(Quanta) seems to add blank lines at the end of my files sometimes, thus 
wreaking havoc with header() calls. Delete the ?> tags, problem solved. Heh.

But seriously, it does seem a little sloppy. Is there any reason to 
leave them off, other than to ensure that no unparsed output creeps into 
your code?



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 15:30:39 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:30:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP CLI / Cygwin
In-Reply-To: <200305201622.h4KGKgXL062704@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030520193039.81477.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.net> wrote:
> kinda retarded question, but how do you get php to interpret directly on
> the
> command line within the script itself?
> 
> #!/cygdrive/c/php/cli/php -q
> 
> <?php
>     // code
> ?>

Not sure if I understand, but try getting rid of that empty line right after
the first hash-bang line.  Other than that, make sure the script itself is
marked as +x and that it has UNIX line endings.

H

> 
> seems to have no effect ...
> 
> - jon
> 
> 
> 
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 15:34:03 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 12:34:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] debugger
In-Reply-To: <200305201724.h4KHN0XL065025@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030520193403.53604.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "John W. Markert" <markert at optonline.net> wrote:
> Hi All...
> 
> Does anyone know of any PHP debugging tools other than PHP info? thanks.

Well, there's of course Zend's products, http://dd.cron.ru/dbg/,
apd.communityconnect.com, and a slew of IDE products that integrate these
(look at the Survey area of the dd.cron.ru link).

Internal to PHP, var_dump() and print_r() are nice, plus debug_backtrace()
and good ol' echo  :)

H



> 

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Tue May 20 18:50:24 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:50:24 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP CLI / Cygwin
References: <200305201931.h4KJUjVb072469@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002501c31f22$3360b1f0$6400a8c0@Townsend>

That was it ... thanks Hans.

- Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hans Zaunere" <zaunere at yahoo.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP CLI / Cygwin


>
> --- Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.net> wrote:
> > kinda retarded question, but how do you get php to interpret directly on
> > the
> > command line within the script itself?
> >
> > #!/cygdrive/c/php/cli/php -q
> >
> > <?php
> >     // code
> > ?>
>
> Not sure if I understand, but try getting rid of that empty line right
after
> the first hash-bang line.  Other than that, make sure the script itself is
> marked as +x and that it has UNIX line endings.
>
> H
>
> >
> > seems to have no effect ...
> >
> > - jon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>



From drodriguez1 at mac.com  Tue May 20 15:42:57 2003
From: drodriguez1 at mac.com (David Rodriguez)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 15:42:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Closing ?> tag
Message-ID: <7722464.1053459777635.JavaMail.drodriguez1@mac.com>

It almost reads like a joke.

D.

On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 01:40PM, D C Krook <dkrook at hotmail.com> wrote:

>Greetings,
>
>I noticed at Zeev's demo of the Zend Studio that he tended to leave off the 
>end ?> tag when writing up sample code.
>
>
>In the phpComponents documentation (http://pcoms.net/submit.php), Hans 
>advises leaving it off:
>
>"Layout: The first line of pCom source should only contain <?php the full 
>opening PHP tag. Closing PHP tags must not be used...The full opening PHP 
>tag <?php should always be used, where as closing tags should never be 
>used."
>
>
>On the other hand, Sterling strongly advises that it not be left off 
>(http://lists.php.net/article.php?group=php.lang&article=403):
>
>"I definitely think that _you_ should do it."
>
>
>Is there any rationale for leaving it off?  Style? Performance?  Ensuring 
>that you're keeping logic separate from presentation templates?
>
>
>Thanks for any thoughts,
>-Dan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>==========================================
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Tue May 20 16:10:25 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:10:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Closing ?> tag
In-Reply-To: <200305201741.h4KHetXL067045@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030520201025.64271.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>


--- D C Krook <dkrook at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> I noticed at Zeev's demo of the Zend Studio that he tended to leave off the
> 
> end ?> tag when writing up sample code.
> 
> 
> In the phpComponents documentation (http://pcoms.net/submit.php), Hans 
> advises leaving it off:
> 
> "Layout: The first line of pCom source should only contain <?php the full 
> opening PHP tag. Closing PHP tags must not be used...The full opening PHP 
> tag <?php should always be used, where as closing tags should never be 
> used."
> 
> 
> On the other hand, Sterling strongly advises that it not be left off 
> (http://lists.php.net/article.php?group=php.lang&article=403):
> 
> "I definitely think that _you_ should do it."

Well, two against one :)  In the posting above, the poster outlines the exact
reason for not including an ending tag, IMO.  In included files using an end
tag will only bite you in the end, and there is no reason for it; PHP will
drop out of PHP parsing mode at the end of the file anyway.  And:

http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=21891

which probably could have been received a little better  :)


> Is there any rationale for leaving it off?  Style?
Yeah, style and debugging.

> Performance?
Maybe a tiny tiny tiny tiny bit.

> Ensuring that you're keeping logic separate from presentation templates?

Yeah, style and debugging.  :)


H




From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May 20 16:24:50 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 13:24:50 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Closing ?> tag
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D49@pcsnet>

well, at least i 'get' the argument for includes...

But I am still pretty uncomfortable assuming that I only want php in an
include. Also, depending on a parsing engines behavior based on code
formatting smacks of all those horrors one can only call "Python." I guess I
am concerned here about a double standard... for example: I think we can
probably agree that curly braces should be used on all conditionals and
loops, if only for clarity(double standard?). So, when we decide that
delimiters need only  be used willy-nilly I begin to get that same sinking
feeling as when I code JScript or HTML 3.x (mostly knowing that I'll be
revisiting this code in some bizarre bug-hunt when the unexpected happens as
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From southwell at dneba.com  Tue May 20 16:30:55 2003
From: southwell at dneba.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:30:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Closing ?> tag
In-Reply-To: <200305202010.h4KKAWST076499@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20030520162839.00b302d8@mail.optonline.net>

aha, so this refers *only* to tags in included files where the only or last 
item is php code?

At 04:10 PM 5/20/2003, you wrote:


>Well, two against one :)  In the posting above, the poster outlines the exact
>reason for not including an ending tag, IMO.  In included files using an end
>tag will only bite you in the end, and there is no reason for it; PHP will
>drop out of PHP parsing mode at the end of the file anyway.  And:
>
>http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=21891
>
>which probably could have been received a little better  :)
>
>
> > Is there any rationale for leaving it off?  Style?
>Yeah, style and debugging.
>
> > Performance?
>Maybe a tiny tiny tiny tiny bit.
>
> > Ensuring that you're keeping logic separate from presentation templates?
>
>Yeah, style and debugging.  :)
>
>
>H
>
>
>
>
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From chris at psydeshow.org  Tue May 20 16:46:24 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:46:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Closing ?> tag
In-Reply-To: <200305202011.h4KKAWYT076499@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305202011.h4KKAWYT076499@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ECA9420.7050000@psydeshow.org>

Hans Zaunere wrote:

>And:
>
>http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=21891
>
>which probably could have been received a little better  :)
>
>  
>
Yeah, I just left my two cents there-- the documentation for include() 
specifically states that end tags are required. Lopping them off is a 
style decision that depends on some as-yet undocumented behavior.

It seems like a "best practice" for includes that are purely PHP, but is 
it a bug or a feature?




From bpang at bpang.com  Tue May 20 16:50:46 2003
From: bpang at bpang.com (Brian Pang)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 16:50:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Closing ?> tag
Message-ID: <E19IE4M-0008Ta-00@rslrs1-server.com>

You guys can do what you want, but I end every php file with 

return;?>

with absolutely nothing after the closing tag...

as for editors that add stuff at the ends of files...  why would you
ever want to let it do that?

:)



> Hans Zaunere wrote:
> 
> >And:
> >
> >http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=21891
> >
> >which probably could have been received a little better  :)
> >
> >  
> >
> Yeah, I just left my two cents there-- the documentation for include() 
> specifically states that end tags are required. Lopping them off is a 
> style decision that depends on some as-yet undocumented behavior.
> 
> It seems like a "best practice" for includes that are purely PHP, but is 
> it a bug or a feature?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue May 20 23:56:37 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 23:56:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Closing ?> tag
In-Reply-To: <200305202010.h4KKAWQx076499@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305202010.h4KKAWQx076499@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030521035637.GA6713@panix.com>

Folks:

Hans said:
>
> In included files using an end
> tag will only bite you in the end, and there is no reason for it; PHP will
> drop out of PHP parsing mode at the end of the file anyway.

I always use closing tags and use frequent header() calls, and have yet to 
be bitten.  As others have mentioned, the docs say included files need to 
be complete files, so items with opening tags need closing tags.


> http://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=21891

I hate unclear and inconsistent docs, let alone behaviors!  I hope 
that gets cleared up.

--Dan

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From thegeek at thecolorgeek.com  Wed May 21 09:38:52 2003
From: thegeek at thecolorgeek.com (The Geek)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:38:52 -0400
Subject: web hosting
In-Reply-To: <200305121547.h4CFjmwP083048@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <8F7CAE7A-8B91-11D7-ACD7-003065489A1E@thecolorgeek.com>

I know it has been discussed here before but doesn't seem like there is 
a way to access an archive for this list.  Looking for web host that 
will support Perl, PHP and MySQL basically a LAMP setup.  Price of 
course is always important. 
  



From jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us  Wed May 21 09:46:09 2003
From: jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us (jessica kelly)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:46:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting
Message-ID: <secb4af4.093@mail.sussex.edu>

Try out http://ipowerweb.com 
It's something like $8.00 a month if you pay a year in advance. 

Jessica 

>>> thegeek at thecolorgeek.com 5/21/03 9:38:58 AM >>>
I know it has been discussed here before but doesn't seem like there is 
a way to access an archive for this list.  Looking for web host that 
will support Perl, PHP and MySQL basically a LAMP setup.  Price of 
course is always important. 
  



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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Wed May 21 09:48:58 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 06:48:58 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting
References: <200305211339.h4LDcwVb003992@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <003f01c31f9f$bacd8c80$6400a8c0@Townsend>

http://www.phpwebhosting.com

$9.95

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:38 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting


> I know it has been discussed here before but doesn't seem like there is 
> a way to access an archive for this list.  Looking for web host that 
> will support Perl, PHP and MySQL basically a LAMP setup.  Price of 
> course is always important. 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 


From nyphp at websapp.com  Wed May 21 09:50:33 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:50:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting
In-Reply-To: <200305211340.h4LDcwbB003992@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPGEACEJAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Lead by some NYPHP members:
http://thehostingcompany.us

--DK

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> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:39 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting
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>
> I know it has been discussed here before but doesn't seem like there is
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> will support Perl, PHP and MySQL basically a LAMP setup.  Price of
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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Wed May 21 09:50:12 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 09:50:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2DC6@USA1370MS1>

Why are you advertising here?  That's lame.

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica kelly [mailto:jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:46 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] web hosting


Try out http://ipowerweb.com 
It's something like $8.00 a month if you pay a year in advance. 

Jessica 

>>> thegeek at thecolorgeek.com 5/21/03 9:38:58 AM >>>
I know it has been discussed here before but doesn't seem like there is 
a way to access an archive for this list.  Looking for web host that 
will support Perl, PHP and MySQL basically a LAMP setup.  Price of 
course is always important. 
  










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From agfische at email.smith.edu  Wed May 21 10:02:41 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:02:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting
In-Reply-To: <200305211359.h4LDxjT9007357@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <E34EEE5E-8B94-11D7-867B-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

Pinyo  read the original post which was a request for hosting 
recommendations with price clarifications helpful as well.

Aaron

On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 09:59 US/Eastern, Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo 
wrote:

> Why are you advertising here?  That's lame.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jessica kelly [mailto:jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:46 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] web hosting
>
>
> Try out http://ipowerweb.com
> It's something like $8.00 a month if you pay a year in advance.
>
> Jessica
>
>>>> thegeek at thecolorgeek.com 5/21/03 9:38:58 AM >>>
> I know it has been discussed here before but doesn't seem like there is
> a way to access an archive for this list.  Looking for web host that
> will support Perl, PHP and MySQL basically a LAMP setup.  Price of
> course is always important.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Wed May 21 10:00:01 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 10:00:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2DC7@USA1370MS1>

oops, sorry, just noticed the question. :-(

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica kelly [mailto:jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:46 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] web hosting


Try out http://ipowerweb.com 
It's something like $8.00 a month if you pay a year in advance. 

Jessica 

>>> thegeek at thecolorgeek.com 5/21/03 9:38:58 AM >>>
I know it has been discussed here before but doesn't seem like there is 
a way to access an archive for this list.  Looking for web host that 
will support Perl, PHP and MySQL basically a LAMP setup.  Price of 
course is always important. 
  










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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed May 21 10:24:20 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:24:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting
In-Reply-To: <200305211340.h4LDcwXL003992@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030521142420.96495.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com>


--- The Geek <thegeek at thecolorgeek.com> wrote:
> I know it has been discussed here before but doesn't seem like there is 
> a way to access an archive for this list.

Of course there are! (that said, finding anything in them is another story :)

http://nyphp.org and click Mailing Lists, then look at the listings of
available mailing lists and click Archive.

H


> Looking for web host that 
> will support Perl, PHP and MySQL basically a LAMP setup.  Price of 
> course is always important. 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From sickledown at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 10:51:11 2003
From: sickledown at hotmail.com (scap)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 07:51:11 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting
References: <200305211339.h4LDcwUr003992@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Law10-OE62zK1v9GZ360000c6d2@hotmail.com>

http://nomonthlyfees.com/

has been reliable, very affordable and their support staff deserves many
kudos

$200 sign-up with domain name / $70 a year (about $6.00 a month)

----- Original Message -----
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To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 6:38 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting


I know it has been discussed here before but doesn't seem like there is
a way to access an archive for this list.  Looking for web host that
will support Perl, PHP and MySQL basically a LAMP setup.  Price of
course is always important.




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From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Wed May 21 11:03:40 2003
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 08:03:40 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting
In-Reply-To: <200305211339.h4LDcwS7003992@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHCEMPFCAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

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From melissa at inexact.info  Wed May 21 11:06:02 2003
From: melissa at inexact.info (Melissa Pott)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:06:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting
In-Reply-To: <200305211339.h4LDcwVD003992@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305211339.h4LDcwVD003992@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <1053529746.C921BA1@w5.dngr.org>

I have been using Dreamhost for a few months.  They have several plans 
available starting around 10 bucks.

On Wed, 21 May 2003 9:59AM -0500, The Geek wrote:
> I know it has been discussed here before but doesn't seem like there is
> a way to access an archive for this list.  Looking for web host that
> will support Perl, PHP and MySQL basically a LAMP setup.  Price of
> course is always important.
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
--melissa


From louie at zibi.co.il  Wed May 21 14:03:48 2003
From: louie at zibi.co.il (louie)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:03:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting
References: <200305211340.h4LDcwch003992@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002101c31fc3$5465fe40$7552fea9@w3j5c4>

howdy !

try looking into http://prohosters.com 
$59 a year for unix box no setup fee

best regards
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Geek" <thegeek at thecolorgeek.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 9:38 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] web hosting


> I know it has been discussed here before but doesn't seem like there is 
> a way to access an archive for this list.  Looking for web host that 
> will support Perl, PHP and MySQL basically a LAMP setup.  Price of 
> course is always important. 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 
> 




From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 21 14:37:35 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:37:35 -0400
Subject: I'm stupid...
Message-ID: <BAF13FAF.BEEB%jfreeman@amnh.org>

I've made a conceptual breakthrough (duh!) with regards to this project I'm
working on to really get to a meaningful skill level with MySQL/PHP
development.  But.. for some reason, I'm really stuck on this one point:

I have a database called 'wasps'.  The database has 19 tables so far most of
which are 'lookup' tables (is that the right term?)...

The main table in the database is called 'specimens'.  Each 'specimen' has a
taxonomy (order, family, genus, subgenus, species, subspecies).

For each part of the taxonomy I have a separate table.

Ideally, when someone loads the survey form to begin building a new record
in the 'specimens' table, I want to query those taxonomy tables (order,
family, genus, etc...) so that I can build
<select><option></option></select> menus based on the rows inside each
taxonomic table...

I want to do this using 'foreach'...

I've tried a few different things but I can't get it to work:

mysql_connect($host, $user, $password)
    or die("Could not connect to database");
mysql_select_db($database)
    or die ("Could not select $database database");

print "The current database is $database";

$query= mysql_query("select * FROM order");

$result = $query;
        print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
        foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
        print "<option value=\\"1\\>$val</option>";
        print ("</select>");
        }

?>

but this does not work.. i know I'm close.. and I just spent 2 hours at
barnes & nobles at a table in the cafe with a bunch of PHP books (couldn't
find that WROX book someone suggested earlier)  trying to make this work on
just the order table because that table only has one record in it...  but I
could not make it work.. if I can figure out how to make this, I'll be able
to make considerable progress on this thing..

Someone please help me over this hump!

Thanks!

J.



From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Wed May 21 14:47:34 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:47:34 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I'm stupid...
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D50@pcsnet>

your $query just returns a pointer to the mysql result set... it is not an
array

now use mysql_fetch_assoc($query); to get each row in tuern as an assoc
array...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 May, 2003 11:38 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] I'm stupid...
> 
> 
> I've made a conceptual breakthrough (duh!) with regards to 
> this project I'm
> working on to really get to a meaningful skill level with MySQL/PHP
> development.  But.. for some reason, I'm really stuck on this 
> one point:
> 
> I have a database called 'wasps'.  The database has 19 tables 
> so far most of
> which are 'lookup' tables (is that the right term?)...
> 
> The main table in the database is called 'specimens'.  Each 
> 'specimen' has a
> taxonomy (order, family, genus, subgenus, species, subspecies).
> 
> For each part of the taxonomy I have a separate table.
> 
> Ideally, when someone loads the survey form to begin building 
> a new record
> in the 'specimens' table, I want to query those taxonomy 
> tables (order,
> family, genus, etc...) so that I can build
> <select><option></option></select> menus based on the rows inside each
> taxonomic table...
> 
> I want to do this using 'foreach'...
> 
> I've tried a few different things but I can't get it to work:
> 
> mysql_connect($host, $user, $password)
>     or die("Could not connect to database");
> mysql_select_db($database)
>     or die ("Could not select $database database");
> 
> print "The current database is $database";
> 
> $query= mysql_query("select * FROM order");
> 
> $result = $query;
>         print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
>         foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
>         print "<option value=\\"1\\>$val</option>";
>         print ("</select>");
>         }
> 
> ?>
> 
> but this does not work.. i know I'm close.. and I just spent 
> 2 hours at
> barnes & nobles at a table in the cafe with a bunch of PHP 
> books (couldn't
> find that WROX book someone suggested earlier)  trying to 
> make this work on
> just the order table because that table only has one record 
> in it...  but I
> could not make it work.. if I can figure out how to make 
> this, I'll be able
> to make considerable progress on this thing..
> 
> Someone please help me over this hump!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> J.
> 
> 
> 
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From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Wed May 21 14:54:35 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:54:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I'm stupid...
Message-ID: <293580-220035321185435526@M2W053.mail2web.com>

I'm sorry but only I am allowed to self-abase myself, you will have to stop
at once.

Meanwhile, your $query is a mySQL reference pointer, not an array.  To
obtain an array out of the resultset pointer there are several ways in PHP
to do it, one way that pops up in my head (probably not the best way but..)
is mysql_fetch_rows:

for ($i = 0; $row = mysql_fetch_row($query); $i++) {
 echo "<option value='$row[0]'>$row[0]</option>";
}

Phil

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Joshua S. Freeman jfreeman at amnh.org
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:37:39 -0400
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I'm stupid...


I've made a conceptual breakthrough (duh!) with regards to this project I'm
working on to really get to a meaningful skill level with MySQL/PHP
development.  But.. for some reason, I'm really stuck on this one point:

I have a database called 'wasps'.  The database has 19 tables so far most of
which are 'lookup' tables (is that the right term?)...

The main table in the database is called 'specimens'.  Each 'specimen' has a
taxonomy (order, family, genus, subgenus, species, subspecies).

For each part of the taxonomy I have a separate table.

Ideally, when someone loads the survey form to begin building a new record
in the 'specimens' table, I want to query those taxonomy tables (order,
family, genus, etc...) so that I can build
<select><option></option></select> menus based on the rows inside each
taxonomic table...

I want to do this using 'foreach'...

I've tried a few different things but I can't get it to work:

mysql_connect($host, $user, $password)
    or die("Could not connect to database");
mysql_select_db($database)
    or die ("Could not select $database database");

print "The current database is $database";

$query= mysql_query("select * FROM order");

$result = $query;
        print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
        foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
        print "<option value=\\"1\\>$val</option>";
        print ("</select>");
        }

?>

but this does not work.. i know I'm close.. and I just spent 2 hours at
barnes & nobles at a table in the cafe with a bunch of PHP books (couldn't
find that WROX book someone suggested earlier)  trying to make this work on
just the order table because that table only has one record in it...  but I
could not make it work.. if I can figure out how to make this, I'll be able
to make considerable progress on this thing..

Someone please help me over this hump!

Thanks!

J.



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From dkrook at hotmail.com  Wed May 21 14:54:51 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:54:51 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I'm stupid...
Message-ID: <BAY2-F76zmWecm9t0CI00005888@hotmail.com>

The option looks suspicious:

You're missing a quote that I assume you're escaping, and you're assigning a 
non-unique value to the entire set of options

    print "<option value=\\"1\\>$val</option>";

try:

    foreach ($result as $key=>$val) {
        print "<option value=\\"$key\\">$val</option>";
    }


>$result = $query;
>         print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
>         foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
>         print "<option value=\\"1\\>$val</option>";
>         print ("</select>");
>         }
>

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From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 21 14:55:43 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:55:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I'm stupid...
In-Reply-To: <200305211848.h4LImXQv022776@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAF143EF.BEFB%jfreeman@amnh.org>

Like this?


mysql_connect($host, $user, $password)
    or die("Could not connect to database");
mysql_select_db($database)
    or die ("Could not select $database database");

print "The current database is $database";

 $query= mysql_query("select * FROM order");

22  $result = mysql_fetch_assoc($query);
23        print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
24        foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
25        print "<option value=\\"1\\>$val</option>";
26        print ("</select>");
    
        
        ?>


when I try to run this in the browser I get this:


Warning: Supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in
/Users/jfreeman/Sites/wasps/test.php3 on line 22

so... i guess i'm still close.. but no cigar..

J.


On 5/21/03 2:48 PM, "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:

> your $query just returns a pointer to the mysql result set... it is not an
> array
> 
> now use mysql_fetch_assoc($query); to get each row in tuern as an assoc
> array...



From nyphp at websapp.com  Wed May 21 14:57:18 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 14:57:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I'm stupid...
In-Reply-To: <200305211856.h4LItkbB025105@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPOEBJEJAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

This is an informative thread, but can the subject please be changed?  :)

--DK



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:56 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] I'm stupid...
>
>
> Like this?
>
>
> mysql_connect($host, $user, $password)
>     or die("Could not connect to database");
> mysql_select_db($database)
>     or die ("Could not select $database database");
>
> print "The current database is $database";
>
>  $query= mysql_query("select * FROM order");
>
> 22  $result = mysql_fetch_assoc($query);
> 23        print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
> 24        foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
> 25        print "<option value=\\"1\\>$val</option>";
> 26        print ("</select>");
>
>
>         ?>
>
>
> when I try to run this in the browser I get this:
>
>
> Warning: Supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in
> /Users/jfreeman/Sites/wasps/test.php3 on line 22
>
> so... i guess i'm still close.. but no cigar..
>
> J.
>
>
> On 5/21/03 2:48 PM, "Malcolm, Gary"
> <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
>
> > your $query just returns a pointer to the mysql result set...
> it is not an
> > array
> >
> > now use mysql_fetch_assoc($query); to get each row in tuern as an assoc
> > array...
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>




From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed May 21 14:58:45 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 11:58:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I'm stupid...
In-Reply-To: <200305211838.h4LIbdXL021838@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030521185845.22133.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at amnh.org> wrote:
> I've made a conceptual breakthrough (duh!) with regards to this project I'm
> working on to really get to a meaningful skill level with MySQL/PHP
> development.  But.. for some reason, I'm really stuck on this one point:
> 
> I have a database called 'wasps'.  The database has 19 tables so far most
> of
> which are 'lookup' tables (is that the right term?)...
> 
> The main table in the database is called 'specimens'.  Each 'specimen' has
> a
> taxonomy (order, family, genus, subgenus, species, subspecies).
> 
> For each part of the taxonomy I have a separate table.
> 
> Ideally, when someone loads the survey form to begin building a new record
> in the 'specimens' table, I want to query those taxonomy tables (order,
> family, genus, etc...) so that I can build
> <select><option></option></select> menus based on the rows inside each
> taxonomic table...
> 
> I want to do this using 'foreach'...
> 
> I've tried a few different things but I can't get it to work:
> 
> mysql_connect($host, $user, $password)
>     or die("Could not connect to database");
> mysql_select_db($database)
>     or die ("Could not select $database database");
> 
> print "The current database is $database";
> 
> $query= mysql_query("select * FROM order");

I think you want to return to $result here, since it's used below.
> 
> $result = $query;
>         print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
>         foreach ($result as $key=>$val)

$result is not an array - it's a resource handle pointing to a chunk of
memory that contains MySQL's data.  You'd probably want something like:

for( $rows = array(),$i = 0,$rowcnt = mysql_num_rows($result); $i < $rowcnt;
++$i ) {
   $rows[] = mysql_fetch_assoc($result);
}


foreach( $rows as $rownum => $row ) {
   foreach( $row as $colname => $colvalue ) {
      echo "<br><br>$rownum => $colname => $colvalue";
   }
}


... for example.


H


>         print "<option value=\\"1\\>$val</option>";
>         print ("</select>");
>         }
> 
> ?>
> 
> but this does not work.. i know I'm close.. and I just spent 2 hours at
> barnes & nobles at a table in the cafe with a bunch of PHP books (couldn't
> find that WROX book someone suggested earlier)  trying to make this work on
> just the order table because that table only has one record in it...  but I
> could not make it work.. if I can figure out how to make this, I'll be able
> to make considerable progress on this thing..
> 
> Someone please help me over this hump!
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> J.
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Wed May 21 15:03:16 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:03:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk]  Problems With Mysql Query (was: I'm stupid...)
In-Reply-To: <200305211859.h4LIwmZ1026055@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305211859.h4LIwmZ1026055@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <23516-63374@sneakemail.com>

Josh,

Can you write your query like this:
mysql_query("select * from order")  or die ("query failed: <br>error_no: 
".mysql_errno()."<br>error: 
".mysql_error()."<br>query:$sql<BR><hr>$error_msg");

and tell us what happens?

Hans Zaunere zaunere-at-yahoo.com |NY PHP| wrote:

>--- "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at amnh.org> wrote:
>  
>
>>I've made a conceptual breakthrough (duh!) with regards to this project I'm
>>working on to really get to a meaningful skill level with MySQL/PHP
>>development.  But.. for some reason, I'm really stuck on this one point:
>>
>>I have a database called 'wasps'.  The database has 19 tables so far most
>>of
>>which are 'lookup' tables (is that the right term?)...
>>
>>The main table in the database is called 'specimens'.  Each 'specimen' has
>>a
>>taxonomy (order, family, genus, subgenus, species, subspecies).
>>
>>For each part of the taxonomy I have a separate table.
>>
>>Ideally, when someone loads the survey form to begin building a new record
>>in the 'specimens' table, I want to query those taxonomy tables (order,
>>family, genus, etc...) so that I can build
>><select><option></option></select> menus based on the rows inside each
>>taxonomic table...
>>
>>I want to do this using 'foreach'...
>>
>>I've tried a few different things but I can't get it to work:
>>
>>mysql_connect($host, $user, $password)
>>    or die("Could not connect to database");
>>mysql_select_db($database)
>>    or die ("Could not select $database database");
>>
>>print "The current database is $database";
>>
>>$query= mysql_query("select * FROM order");
>>    
>>
>
>I think you want to return to $result here, since it's used below.
>  
>
>>$result = $query;
>>        print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
>>        foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
>>    
>>
>
>$result is not an array - it's a resource handle pointing to a chunk of
>memory that contains MySQL's data.  You'd probably want something like:
>
>for( $rows = array(),$i = 0,$rowcnt = mysql_num_rows($result); $i < $rowcnt;
>++$i ) {
>   $rows[] = mysql_fetch_assoc($result);
>}
>
>
>foreach( $rows as $rownum => $row ) {
>   foreach( $row as $colname => $colvalue ) {
>      echo "<br><br>$rownum => $colname => $colvalue";
>   }
>}
>
>
>.. for example.
>
>
>H
>
>
>  
>
>>        print "<option value=\\"1\\>$val</option>";
>>        print ("</select>");
>>        }
>>
>>?>
>>
>>but this does not work.. i know I'm close.. and I just spent 2 hours at
>>barnes & nobles at a table in the cafe with a bunch of PHP books (couldn't
>>find that WROX book someone suggested earlier)  trying to make this work on
>>just the order table because that table only has one record in it...  but I
>>could not make it work.. if I can figure out how to make this, I'll be able
>>to make considerable progress on this thing..
>>
>>Someone please help me over this hump!
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>J.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

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*********************
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From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Wed May 21 15:03:41 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:03:41 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] He's persistent!!
References: <200305211859.h4LIwjVR026006@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001d01c31fcb$b2d98d90$0200000a@Pentium700>

Daniel,

new around these parts... but I was thinkin the same thing :)

john


----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Kushner" <nyphp at websapp.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 12:58 PM
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] I'm stupid...


This is an informative thread, but can the subject please be changed?
:)

--DK



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:56 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] I'm stupid...
>
>
> Like this?
>
>
> mysql_connect($host, $user, $password)
>     or die("Could not connect to database");
> mysql_select_db($database)
>     or die ("Could not select $database database");
>
> print "The current database is $database";
>
>  $query= mysql_query("select * FROM order");
>
> 22  $result = mysql_fetch_assoc($query);
> 23        print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
> 24        foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
> 25        print "<option value=\\"1\\>$val</option>";
> 26        print ("</select>");
>
>
>         ?>
>
>
> when I try to run this in the browser I get this:
>
>
> Warning: Supplied argument is not a valid MySQL result resource in
> /Users/jfreeman/Sites/wasps/test.php3 on line 22
>
> so... i guess i'm still close.. but no cigar..
>
> J.
>
>
> On 5/21/03 2:48 PM, "Malcolm, Gary"
> <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
>
> > your $query just returns a pointer to the mysql result set...
> it is not an
> > array
> >
> > now use mysql_fetch_assoc($query); to get each row in tuern as an
assoc
> > array...
>
>
>
>
>




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From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 21 15:06:29 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:06:29 -0400
Subject: learning about foreach() 
In-Reply-To: <200305211858.h4LIwmQv026055@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAF14675.BF07%jfreeman@amnh.org>

Hi Hans, et al.

Thanks for the response and advice Hans...

I don't know if this is salient to your response but ideally, what I want
the combination of the query and the foreach to do is to go into the 'order'
table, grab the single record that's in there (it has two columns, an
'order_id' column and an 'order_name' column) and then, in my form, build:

<select name="order">
          <option value="1">Hymenoptera</option>
        </select>



so... the "1" in the 'value="1" is from the 'order_id' column and the
'Hymenoptera' is from the 'order_name' column.

I'm not sure if this was clear before..  I know it wasn't clear from my code
snippet.

Thanks..

J.



On 5/21/03 2:58 PM, "Hans Zaunere" <zaunere at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 
> --- "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at amnh.org> wrote:
>> I've made a conceptual breakthrough (duh!) with regards to this project I'm
>> working on to really get to a meaningful skill level with MySQL/PHP
>> development.  But.. for some reason, I'm really stuck on this one point:
>> 
>> I have a database called 'wasps'.  The database has 19 tables so far most
>> of
>> which are 'lookup' tables (is that the right term?)...
>> 
>> The main table in the database is called 'specimens'.  Each 'specimen' has
>> a
>> taxonomy (order, family, genus, subgenus, species, subspecies).
>> 
>> For each part of the taxonomy I have a separate table.
>> 
>> Ideally, when someone loads the survey form to begin building a new record
>> in the 'specimens' table, I want to query those taxonomy tables (order,
>> family, genus, etc...) so that I can build
>> <select><option></option></select> menus based on the rows inside each
>> taxonomic table...
>> 
>> I want to do this using 'foreach'...
>> 
>> I've tried a few different things but I can't get it to work:
>> 
>> mysql_connect($host, $user, $password)
>>     or die("Could not connect to database");
>> mysql_select_db($database)
>>     or die ("Could not select $database database");
>> 
>> print "The current database is $database";
>> 
>> $query= mysql_query("select * FROM order");
> 
> I think you want to return to $result here, since it's used below.
>> 
>> $result = $query;
>>         print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
>>         foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
> 
> $result is not an array - it's a resource handle pointing to a chunk of
> memory that contains MySQL's data.  You'd probably want something like:
> 
> for( $rows = array(),$i = 0,$rowcnt = mysql_num_rows($result); $i < $rowcnt;
> ++$i ) {
>  $rows[] = mysql_fetch_assoc($result);
> }
> 
> 
> foreach( $rows as $rownum => $row ) {
>  foreach( $row as $colname => $colvalue ) {
>     echo "<br><br>$rownum => $colname => $colvalue";
>  }
> }
> 
> 
> .. for example.
> 
> 
> H
> 
> 
>>         print "<option value=\\"1\\>$val</option>";
>>         print ("</select>");
>>         }
>> 
>> ?>
>> 
>> but this does not work.. i know I'm close.. and I just spent 2 hours at
>> barnes & nobles at a table in the cafe with a bunch of PHP books (couldn't
>> find that WROX book someone suggested earlier)  trying to make this work on
>> just the order table because that table only has one record in it...  but I
>> could not make it work.. if I can figure out how to make this, I'll be able
>> to make considerable progress on this thing..
>> 
>> Someone please help me over this hump!
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> J.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From max at idsociety.com  Wed May 21 15:10:18 2003
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:10:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] I'm stupid...
In-Reply-To: <200305211838.h4LIbdV3021838@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305211838.h4LIbdV3021838@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ECBCF1A.2090407@idsociety.com>

No one seems to have mentioned this, but 'order' is a reserved word in
MySQL. See http://mysql.tviund.is/doc/en/Reserved_words.html

-max

Joshua S. Freeman wrote:

> I've made a conceptual breakthrough (duh!) with regards to this
project I'm
> working on to really get to a meaningful skill level with MySQL/PHP
> development.  But.. for some reason, I'm really stuck on this one point:
>
> I have a database called 'wasps'.  The database has 19 tables so far
most of
> which are 'lookup' tables (is that the right term?)...
>
> The main table in the database is called 'specimens'.  Each 'specimen'
has a
> taxonomy (order, family, genus, subgenus, species, subspecies).
>
> For each part of the taxonomy I have a separate table.
>
> Ideally, when someone loads the survey form to begin building a new record
> in the 'specimens' table, I want to query those taxonomy tables (order,
> family, genus, etc...) so that I can build
> <select><option></option></select> menus based on the rows inside each
> taxonomic table...
>
> I want to do this using 'foreach'...
>
> I've tried a few different things but I can't get it to work:
>
> mysql_connect($host, $user, $password)
>     or die("Could not connect to database");
> mysql_select_db($database)
>     or die ("Could not select $database database");
>
> print "The current database is $database";
>
> $query= mysql_query("select * FROM order");
>
> $result = $query;
>         print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
>         foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
>         print "<option value=\\"1\\>$val</option>";
>         print ("</select>");
>         }
>
> ?>
>
> but this does not work.. i know I'm close.. and I just spent 2 hours at
> barnes & nobles at a table in the cafe with a bunch of PHP books (couldn't
> find that WROX book someone suggested earlier)  trying to make this
work on
> just the order table because that table only has one record in it...
but I
> could not make it work.. if I can figure out how to make this, I'll be
able
> to make considerable progress on this thing..
>
> Someone please help me over this hump!
>
> Thanks!
>
> J.
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Wed May 21 15:14:43 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:14:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] learning about foreach
In-Reply-To: <200305211907.h4LJ6YZ1029422@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305211907.h4LJ6YZ1029422@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <28618-93087@sneakemail.com>

Hi Josh,

See my other post on your mysql problem.

I would modify your query to be this:

$sql = "select order_id, order_name from order";

then, when you get the results straightened out, you can do something 
like this:

$result = mysql_query($sql);
print '<select name="order">';
while ($query = mysql_fetch_assoc($result) ) {
    print "<option 
value=\\"$query[order_id]\\">$query[order_name]</option>\
";
}
print '</select>';

Something that might be a good thing to do is to run the query above, 
and do the following:
print_r(mysql_fetch_row($result));
print_r(mysql_fetch_assoc($result));
print_r(mysql_fetch_array($result));

This can give you a lot of insight into how PHP stores the MySQL data, 
and how you might iterate through it.

+gadhra+


Joshua S. Freeman jfreeman-at-amnh.org |NY PHP| wrote:

>Hi Hans, et al.
>
>Thanks for the response and advice Hans...
>
>I don't know if this is salient to your response but ideally, what I want
>the combination of the query and the foreach to do is to go into the 'order'
>table, grab the single record that's in there (it has two columns, an
>'order_id' column and an 'order_name' column) and then, in my form, build:
>
><select name="order">
>          <option value="1">Hymenoptera</option>
>        </select>
>
>
>
>so... the "1" in the 'value="1" is from the 'order_id' column and the
>'Hymenoptera' is from the 'order_name' column.
>
>I'm not sure if this was clear before..  I know it wasn't clear from my code
>snippet.
>
>Thanks..
>
>J.
>
>
>
>On 5/21/03 2:58 PM, "Hans Zaunere" <zaunere at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>--- "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at amnh.org> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>I've made a conceptual breakthrough (duh!) with regards to this project I'm
>>>working on to really get to a meaningful skill level with MySQL/PHP
>>>development.  But.. for some reason, I'm really stuck on this one point:
>>>
>>>I have a database called 'wasps'.  The database has 19 tables so far most
>>>of
>>>which are 'lookup' tables (is that the right term?)...
>>>
>>>The main table in the database is called 'specimens'.  Each 'specimen' has
>>>a
>>>taxonomy (order, family, genus, subgenus, species, subspecies).
>>>
>>>For each part of the taxonomy I have a separate table.
>>>
>>>Ideally, when someone loads the survey form to begin building a new record
>>>in the 'specimens' table, I want to query those taxonomy tables (order,
>>>family, genus, etc...) so that I can build
>>><select><option></option></select> menus based on the rows inside each
>>>taxonomic table...
>>>
>>>I want to do this using 'foreach'...
>>>
>>>I've tried a few different things but I can't get it to work:
>>>
>>>mysql_connect($host, $user, $password)
>>>    or die("Could not connect to database");
>>>mysql_select_db($database)
>>>    or die ("Could not select $database database");
>>>
>>>print "The current database is $database";
>>>
>>>$query= mysql_query("select * FROM order");
>>>      
>>>
>>I think you want to return to $result here, since it's used below.
>>    
>>
>>>$result = $query;
>>>        print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
>>>        foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
>>>      
>>>
>>$result is not an array - it's a resource handle pointing to a chunk of
>>memory that contains MySQL's data.  You'd probably want something like:
>>
>>for( $rows = array(),$i = 0,$rowcnt = mysql_num_rows($result); $i < $rowcnt;
>>++$i ) {
>> $rows[] = mysql_fetch_assoc($result);
>>}
>>
>>
>>foreach( $rows as $rownum => $row ) {
>> foreach( $row as $colname => $colvalue ) {
>>    echo "<br><br>$rownum => $colname => $colvalue";
>> }
>>}
>>
>>
>>.. for example.
>>
>>
>>H
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>        print "<option value=\\"1\\>$val</option>";
>>>        print ("</select>");
>>>        }
>>>
>>>?>
>>>
>>>but this does not work.. i know I'm close.. and I just spent 2 hours at
>>>barnes & nobles at a table in the cafe with a bunch of PHP books (couldn't
>>>find that WROX book someone suggested earlier)  trying to make this work on
>>>just the order table because that table only has one record in it...  but I
>>>could not make it work.. if I can figure out how to make this, I'll be able
>>>to make considerable progress on this thing..
>>>
>>>Someone please help me over this hump!
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>J.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>  
>

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*********************
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
And seize the metropolis;
It's you it's built on




From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 21 15:17:06 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:17:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk]learning about foreach()
In-Reply-To: <200305211910.h4LJA5Qv030273@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAF148F2.BF11%jfreeman@amnh.org>

Max,

give yourself a big hand...  you know.. that was creeping around in the back
of my brain at one point but I wasn't sure if that was going to break what I
was trying to do or not.. apparently you hit the nail on the head...

so.. now.. it's building this:

<select name="order"><option value="1">1</option><option
value="1">Hymenoptera</option></select>

so.. i'm close... here's the code I'm using now:


$query= mysql_query("select * FROM taxa_order");

  $result = mysql_fetch_assoc($query);
        print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
        foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
        print "<option value=\\"1\\">$val</option>";
        print ("</select>");

so.. what do i need to adjust so I get this:

<select name="order"><option value="1">Hymenoptera</option></select>  ?

J.


On 5/21/03 3:10 PM, "max goldberg" <max at idsociety.com> wrote:

> No one seems to have mentioned this, but 'order' is a reserved word in
> MySQL. See http://mysql.tviund.is/doc/en/Reserved_words.html
> 
> -max
> 
> Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> 
>> I've made a conceptual breakthrough (duh!) with regards to this
> project I'm
>> working on to really get to a meaningful skill level with MySQL/PHP
>> development.  But.. for some reason, I'm really stuck on this one point:
>> 
>> I have a database called 'wasps'.  The database has 19 tables so far
> most of
>> which are 'lookup' tables (is that the right term?)...
>> 
>> The main table in the database is called 'specimens'.  Each 'specimen'
> has a
>> taxonomy (order, family, genus, subgenus, species, subspecies).
>> 
>> For each part of the taxonomy I have a separate table.
>> 
>> Ideally, when someone loads the survey form to begin building a new record
>> in the 'specimens' table, I want to query those taxonomy tables (order,
>> family, genus, etc...) so that I can build
>> <select><option></option></select> menus based on the rows inside each
>> taxonomic table...
>> 
>> I want to do this using 'foreach'...
>> 
>> I've tried a few different things but I can't get it to work:
>> 
>> mysql_connect($host, $user, $password)
>>     or die("Could not connect to database");
>> mysql_select_db($database)
>>     or die ("Could not select $database database");
>> 
>> print "The current database is $database";
>> 
>> $query= mysql_query("select * FROM order");
>> 
>> $result = $query;
>>         print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
>>         foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
>>         print "<option value=\\"1\\>$val</option>";
>>         print ("</select>");
>>         }
>> 
>> ?>
>> 
>> but this does not work.. i know I'm close.. and I just spent 2 hours at
>> barnes & nobles at a table in the cafe with a bunch of PHP books (couldn't
>> find that WROX book someone suggested earlier)  trying to make this
> work on
>> just the order table because that table only has one record in it...
> but I
>> could not make it work.. if I can figure out how to make this, I'll be
> able
>> to make considerable progress on this thing..
>> 
>> Someone please help me over this hump!
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> J.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 21 15:37:50 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:37:50 -0400
Subject: learning about foreach() continued
Message-ID: <BAF14DCE.BF16%jfreeman@amnh.org>

Thanks for everyone who's chimed in so far... I appreciate the various code
snippets but I'm trying to see if I can do everything I need here using
'foreach()'...

so.. 

since this:

$query= mysql_query("select * FROM taxa_order");

  $result = mysql_fetch_assoc($query);
        print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
        foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
        print "<option value=\\"$key\\">$val</option>";
        print ("</select>");

yields this:

<select name="order"><option value="order_id">1</option><option
value="order_name">Hymenoptera</option></select>

how do I get it to stop from creating two <option></option> rows (there's
only one row in the table!) and how do I get it to stop from including the
names of the columns and just including the value for each column in the one
row?

J.



From max at idsociety.com  Wed May 21 15:48:07 2003
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:48:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] learning about foreach continued
In-Reply-To: <200305211938.h4LJbsV3033212@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305211938.h4LJbsV3033212@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ECBD7F7.8050909@idsociety.com>

>From www.php.net/mysql

The function mysql_fetch_array() uses a constant for the different types
of result arrays. The following constants are defined:

Table 3. MySQL fetch constants

constant description
MYSQL_ASSOC Columns are returned into the array having the fieldname as
the array index.
MYSQL_BOTH Columns are returned into the array having both a numerical
index and the fieldname as the array index.
MYSQL_NUM Columns are returned into the array having a numerical index
to the fields. This index starts with 0, the first field in the result.

More at http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-fetch-array.php

-max


Joshua S. Freeman wrote:

> Thanks for everyone who's chimed in so far... I appreciate the various
code
> snippets but I'm trying to see if I can do everything I need here using
> 'foreach()'...
>
> so..
>
> since this:
>
> $query= mysql_query("select * FROM taxa_order");
>
>   $result = mysql_fetch_assoc($query);
>         print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
>         foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
>         print "<option value=\\"$key\\">$val</option>";
>         print ("</select>");
>
> yields this:
>
> <select name="order"><option value="order_id">1</option><option
> value="order_name">Hymenoptera</option></select>
>
> how do I get it to stop from creating two <option></option> rows (there's
> only one row in the table!) and how do I get it to stop from including the
> names of the columns and just including the value for each column in
the one
> row?
>
> J.
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 21 15:59:03 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 15:59:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] learning about foreach continued
In-Reply-To: <200305211947.h4LJltQv034142@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAF152C7.BF1E%jfreeman@amnh.org>

Hi Max,

I can see you're trying to help me and I appreciate it.

So...  I can't seem to do anything with either mysql_fetch_both or
mysql_fetch_num... mysql_fetch_array brings up TOO much information...

I don't have enough background yet to put the information you've given me
here to good use.

J.

On 5/21/03 3:47 PM, "max goldberg" <max at idsociety.com> wrote:

> From www.php.net/mysql
> 
> The function mysql_fetch_array() uses a constant for the different types
> of result arrays. The following constants are defined:
> 
> Table 3. MySQL fetch constants
> 
> constant description
> MYSQL_ASSOC Columns are returned into the array having the fieldname as
> the array index.
> MYSQL_BOTH Columns are returned into the array having both a numerical
> index and the fieldname as the array index.
> MYSQL_NUM Columns are returned into the array having a numerical index
> to the fields. This index starts with 0, the first field in the result.
> 
> More at http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-fetch-array.php
> 
> -max
> 
> 
> Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for everyone who's chimed in so far... I appreciate the various
> code
>> snippets but I'm trying to see if I can do everything I need here using
>> 'foreach()'...
>> 
>> so..
>> 
>> since this:
>> 
>> $query= mysql_query("select * FROM taxa_order");
>> 
>>   $result = mysql_fetch_assoc($query);
>>         print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
>>         foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
>>         print "<option value=\\"$key\\">$val</option>";
>>         print ("</select>");
>> 
>> yields this:
>> 
>> <select name="order"><option value="order_id">1</option><option
>> value="order_name">Hymenoptera</option></select>
>> 
>> how do I get it to stop from creating two <option></option> rows (there's
>> only one row in the table!) and how do I get it to stop from including the
>> names of the columns and just including the value for each column in
> the one
>> row?
>> 
>> J.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed May 21 16:05:16 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:05:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] learning about foreach continued
In-Reply-To: <200305211938.h4LJbsXL033212@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030521200516.99149.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at amnh.org> wrote:
> Thanks for everyone who's chimed in so far... I appreciate the various code
> snippets but I'm trying to see if I can do everything I need here using
> 'foreach()'...
> 
> so.. 
> 
> since this:
> 
> $query= mysql_query("select * FROM taxa_order");
> 
>   $result = mysql_fetch_assoc($query);
>         print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
>         foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
>         print "<option value=\\"$key\\">$val</option>";
>         print ("</select>");
> 
> yields this:
> 
> <select name="order"><option value="order_id">1</option><option
> value="order_name">Hymenoptera</option></select>

You'll need to do this:

<?php

$result = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM taxa_order");

$rowcnt = mysql_num_rows($result);

?>

<select name="taxa_order">
  <?php for( $i = 0; $i < $rowcnt; ++$i ): ?>
   <option
value="<?=mysql_result($result,$i,0)?>"><?=mysql_result($result,$i,1)?></option>
  <?php endfor; ?>
</select>



Oh wait, you wanted to use foreach()  --  Don't :)

Unless you want to iterate over the result using for()/while(), then you
could iterate over the resulting array with a foreach - but that's just
silly.

What you'd like to see is a "mysql_fetch_resultset_into_array()" like Oracle
has.  Then you'd have an array that you could iterate over.

I think this would make for a good pCom  :)


H



From max at idsociety.com  Wed May 21 16:13:59 2003
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:13:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] learning about foreach continued
In-Reply-To: <200305211959.h4LJx8V3035130@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305211959.h4LJx8V3035130@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ECBDE07.1080802@idsociety.com>

You probably want something like this:

$result = mysql_fetch_assoc($query);

echo '<select name="order">';
foreach ($result as $row) {

$option_value = $row['order_value'];
$option_label = $row['order_label'];

// replace order_value with the name of the column with the value in it
// replace order_label with the name of the column with the label in it

echo "<option value=\\"$option_value\\">$option_label</option>";
echo "</select>";

If you would like me to explain further how this works just ask.

-Max


Joshua S. Freeman wrote:

> Hi Max,
>
> I can see you're trying to help me and I appreciate it.
>
> So...  I can't seem to do anything with either mysql_fetch_both or
> mysql_fetch_num... mysql_fetch_array brings up TOO much information...
>
> I don't have enough background yet to put the information you've given me
> here to good use.
>
> J.
>
> On 5/21/03 3:47 PM, "max goldberg" <max at idsociety.com> wrote:
>
>
>>From www.php.net/mysql
>>
>>The function mysql_fetch_array() uses a constant for the different types
>>of result arrays. The following constants are defined:
>>
>>Table 3. MySQL fetch constants
>>
>>constant description
>>MYSQL_ASSOC Columns are returned into the array having the fieldname as
>>the array index.
>>MYSQL_BOTH Columns are returned into the array having both a numerical
>>index and the fieldname as the array index.
>>MYSQL_NUM Columns are returned into the array having a numerical index
>>to the fields. This index starts with 0, the first field in the result.
>>
>>More at http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.mysql-fetch-array.php
>>
>>-max
>>
>>
>>Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Thanks for everyone who's chimed in so far... I appreciate the various
>>
>>code
>>
>>>snippets but I'm trying to see if I can do everything I need here using
>>>'foreach()'...
>>>
>>>so..
>>>
>>>since this:
>>>
>>>$query= mysql_query("select * FROM taxa_order");
>>>
>>>  $result = mysql_fetch_assoc($query);
>>>        print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
>>>        foreach ($result as $key=>$val)
>>>        print "<option value=\\"$key\\">$val</option>";
>>>        print ("</select>");
>>>
>>>yields this:
>>>
>>><select name="order"><option value="order_id">1</option><option
>>>value="order_name">Hymenoptera</option></select>
>>>
>>>how do I get it to stop from creating two <option></option> rows (there's
>>>only one row in the table!) and how do I get it to stop from
including the
>>>names of the columns and just including the value for each column in
>>
>>the one
>>
>>>row?
>>>
>>>J.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 21 16:14:27 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:14:27 -0400
Subject: success!  (learning about foreach())
Message-ID: <BAF15663.BF22%jfreeman@amnh.org>

well.. I didn't do it using 'foreach'.. but I did do it using some code from
chapter 17 of the wrox book that was recommended by louie...


here's the working code:

$query= mysql_query("select * FROM taxa_order");

print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
while ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
print "<option value=\\"$row[0]\\">$row[1]</option>";

and the result:

<select name="order"><option value="1">Hymenoptera</option>

which is exactly what I was trying to do...

now.. if only i could figure out how to get the same result using
'foreach'...

J.



From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Wed May 21 16:16:02 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:16:02 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] learning about foreach continued
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D51@pcsnet>

your foreach is incrementing through the first array (or row) of the
result...

try

//get all result
$query= mysql_query("select * FROM taxa_order");

//get each row
while( $result = mysql_fetch_assoc($query){
	//get rid of array
 	extract($result);
	// build options
	$options = "<options>$order_name</options>";
}

print(<select>$options</select>); 

foreach is more apropos when doing thing like listing elements of an array

hope this helps 

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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Wed May 21 16:21:43 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 13:21:43 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] learning about foreach continued
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D52@pcsnet>

BTW...
as far as i can tell,

mysql_fetch_array($result,MYSQL_ASSOC)

and

mysql_fetch_assoc($result)


do exactly the same thing

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From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 21 16:47:11 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:47:11 -0400
Subject: next hurdle...
Message-ID: <BAF15E0F.BF2D%jfreeman@amnh.org>

Here's some code:

 <?php       
        $query= mysql_query("select * FROM subfamily");

echo "<select name=\\"subfamily\\"><option value=\\"\\">--select
subfamily--</option>\
";
while ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
print "<option value=\\"$row[0]\\">$row[1]</option>\
";
}
print ("</select>");



?>   

Here's the result:

<select name="subfamily">
    <option value="">--select subfamily--</option>
    <option value="1"></option>
    <option value="2">Eumeninae</option>
    <option value="3">Masarinae</option>
    <option value="4">Polistinae</option>
    <option value="5">Stenogastrinae</option>
    <option value="6">Vespinae</option>
    <option value="7">Undetermined</option>
</select> 

which is *almost* what I want.

What I *want* is this:


<select name="subfamily">
    <option value="">--select subfamily--</option>
    <option value="1">Eumeninae</option>
    <option value="2">Masarinae</option>
    <option value="3">Polistinae</option>
    <option value="4">Stenogastrinae</option>
    <option value="5">Vespinae</option>
    <option value="6">Undetermined</option>
</select> 

Is there something I can change in my PHP code which will change the results
I have into the results I want?

J.



From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 21 16:51:32 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:51:32 -0400
Subject: no hurdle!
Message-ID: <BAF15F14.BF30%jfreeman@amnh.org>

just an anomaly in the contents of the subfamily table.. there's an empty
row at the beginning.

:-)  everything is working the way I need it!

woo hoo!

Thanks folks!

J.



From lists at ny-tech.net  Wed May 21 16:53:28 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:53:28 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next hurdle...
References: <200305212047.h4LKlFWx040841@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ECBE748.000001.03628@MAIN>

How about this:

<?php
         
$query= mysql_query("select * FROM subfamily");
 
echo "<select name=\\"subfamily\\"><option value=\\"\\">--select
subfamily--</option>\
";
while ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) 
{
    if($row[0] != "" && $row[1] != "")
        print "<option value=\\"$row[0]\\">$row[1]</option>\
";
}
print ("</select>");
 
 
 
?>
 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: talk at nyphp.org
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:47:40 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next hurdle...
 
Here's some code:
 
  <?php
         $query= mysql_query("select * FROM subfamily");
 
echo "<select name=\\"subfamily\\"><option value=\\"\\">--select
subfamily--</option>\
";
while ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
print "<option value=\\"$row[0]\\">$row[1]</option>\
";
}
print ("</select>");
 
 
 
?>
 
Here's the result:
 
<select name="subfamily">
     <option value="">--select subfamily--</option>
     <option value="1"></option>
     <option value="2">Eumeninae</option>
     <option value="3">Masarinae</option>
     <option value="4">Polistinae</option>
     <option value="5">Stenogastrinae</option>
     <option value="6">Vespinae</option>
     <option value="7">Undetermined</option>
</select>
 
which is *almost* what I want.
 
What I *want* is this:
 
 
<select name="subfamily">
     <option value="">--select subfamily--</option>
     <option value="1">Eumeninae</option>
     <option value="2">Masarinae</option>
     <option value="3">Polistinae</option>
     <option value="4">Stenogastrinae</option>
     <option value="5">Vespinae</option>
     <option value="6">Undetermined</option>
</select>
 
Is there something I can change in my PHP code which will change the results
I have into the results I want?
 
J.
 
 
 
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From louie at zibi.co.il  Wed May 21 16:42:37 2003
From: louie at zibi.co.il (louie)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:42:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] success!
References: <200305212015.h4LKEUch037738@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <005d01c31fd9$86df47d0$7552fea9@w3j5c4>

greetings folks !

i dont know about you all but this thread for me
was like looking at a childbirth
from all the suggestion for a better delivery
to the slow labor of changing the subject
finally i can say "MAZAL TOV"
a line of working code was born in the wieght of 34  bytes

best regards,

ps
i didnt recommended the book
just mention the publisher
so Uncredit me and keep up the good work
spreading php





----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua S. Freeman" <jfreeman at amnh.org>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:14 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] success!


> well.. I didn't do it using 'foreach'.. but I did do it using some code
from
> chapter 17 of the wrox book that was recommended by louie...
>
>
> here's the working code:
>
> $query= mysql_query("select * FROM taxa_order");
>
> print ("<select name=\\"order\\">");
> while ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
> print "<option value=\\"$row[0]\\">$row[1]</option>";
>
> and the result:
>
> <select name="order"><option value="1">Hymenoptera</option>
>
> which is exactly what I was trying to do...
>
> now.. if only i could figure out how to get the same result using
> 'foreach'...
>
> J.
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>
>




From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Wed May 21 16:54:43 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:54:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next hurdle...
Message-ID: <410-220035321205443617@M2W035.mail2web.com>

Without knowing too much about your table structure and schema I can only
guess that the data in your table is configured in such a way as:

id  name
1   NULL
2   Eumen..
3   Masar..

etc.

Check your data and retry the query parsing, else, try another looping
method

Phil

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Joshua S. Freeman jfreeman at amnh.org
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:47:15 -0400
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next hurdle...


Here's some code:

 <?php       
        $query= mysql_query("select * FROM subfamily");

echo "<select name=\\"subfamily\\"><option value=\\"\\">--select
subfamily--</option>\
";
while ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
print "<option value=\\"$row[0]\\">$row[1]</option>\
";
}
print ("</select>");



?>   

Here's the result:

<select name="subfamily">
    <option value="">--select subfamily--</option>
    <option value="1"></option>
    <option value="2">Eumeninae</option>
    <option value="3">Masarinae</option>
    <option value="4">Polistinae</option>
    <option value="5">Stenogastrinae</option>
    <option value="6">Vespinae</option>
    <option value="7">Undetermined</option>
</select> 

which is *almost* what I want.

What I *want* is this:


<select name="subfamily">
    <option value="">--select subfamily--</option>
    <option value="1">Eumeninae</option>
    <option value="2">Masarinae</option>
    <option value="3">Polistinae</option>
    <option value="4">Stenogastrinae</option>
    <option value="5">Vespinae</option>
    <option value="6">Undetermined</option>
</select> 

Is there something I can change in my PHP code which will change the results
I have into the results I want?

J.



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From lists at ny-tech.net  Wed May 21 16:55:08 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 16:55:08 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next hurdle...
References: <200305212047.h4LKlFWx040841@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ECBE7AC.000004.03628@MAIN>

 
How about this:
 
<?php 
         
$query= mysql_query("select * FROM subfamily");
 
echo "<select name=\\"subfamily\\"><option value=\\"\\">--select
subfamily--</option>\
";
while ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) 
{
    if($row[0] != "" && $row[1] != "")
        print "<option value=\\"$row[0]\\">$row[1]</option>\
";
}
print ("</select>");
 
 
 
?>
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: talk at nyphp.org
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:47:40 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next hurdle...
 
Here's some code:
 
<?php
$query= mysql_query("select * FROM subfamily");
 
echo "<select name=\\"subfamily\\"><option value=\\"\\">--select
subfamily--</option>\
";
while ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
print "<option value=\\"$row[0]\\">$row[1]</option>\
";
}
print ("</select>");
 
 
 
?>
 
Here's the result:
 
<select name="subfamily">
<option value="">--select subfamily--</option>
<option value="1"></option>
<option value="2">Eumeninae</option>
<option value="3">Masarinae</option>
<option value="4">Polistinae</option>
<option value="5">Stenogastrinae</option>
<option value="6">Vespinae</option>
<option value="7">Undetermined</option>
</select>
 
which is *almost* what I want.
 
What I *want* is this:
 
 
<select name="subfamily">
<option value="">--select subfamily--</option>
<option value="1">Eumeninae</option>
<option value="2">Masarinae</option>
<option value="3">Polistinae</option>
<option value="4">Stenogastrinae</option>
<option value="5">Vespinae</option>
<option value="6">Undetermined</option>
</select>
 
Is there something I can change in my PHP code which will change the results
I have into the results I want?
 
J.
 
 
 
--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
 
 
 
 
.



From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Wed May 21 17:03:58 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:03:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] learning about foreach
In-Reply-To: <200305211907.h4LJ6YaH029422@parsec.nyphp.org>; from jfreeman@amnh.org on Wed, May 21, 2003 at 03:06:34PM -0400
References: <200305211907.h4LJ6YaH029422@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030521170358.P19459@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

On 2003-05-21 15:06 -0400, Joshua S. Freeman <jfreeman at amnh.org> wrote:

> I'm not sure if this was clear before..  I know it wasn't clear from my code
> snippet.

For some reason, I get the idea that you want the computer to figure
out the names of the MySQL columns, *without human knowkedge
beforehand*, and have them show up on the web site.  Is that true?

-- 
cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo

You can't always get what you want.
 -- The Rolling Stones


From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 21 20:49:16 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 20:49:16 -0400
Subject: new problems (VERY LONG but hopefully interesting)
Message-ID: <BAF196CC.BF51%jfreeman@amnh.org>

If I can solve the problems described below for one place in the project I'm
working on, the solution will be applicable to many other places as well. I
also think that the information will be useful for other people learning how
to build apps using MySQL/PHP.

As I've mentioned before, the main table in my database is called
'specimens'.

With regards to the survey form here's what I can do so far:

I am able to use PHP to build <select><option></option></select> menus and
lists.

Some of these are menus where the surveyor can only select one item.  I
*can* figure out how to write INSERT statements so that these selections can
be inserted in a record in the 'specimens' table.

Others of these are menus where the surveyor can select more than one item.
I *believe* this means I'm going to have to create a table that relates the
specimen_id (the key to the 'specimens' table) with the 1 or >1 number of
items that are selected from the list by the surveyor.

I'm not sure what the structure of that relate-table should be.

For example, there's a section of the survey regarding the 'composition' of
the specimens that are being surveyed.  In my form, it's a drop-down list
from which multiple selections can be made.  The drop-down list in the form
is dynamically built by querying the 'composition' table.

here's a dump of the 'composition' table:

CREATE TABLE composition (
  comp_element_id smallint(3) NOT NULL auto_increment,
  comp_element varchar(50) NOT NULL default '',
  PRIMARY KEY  (comp_element_id)
) TYPE=MyISAM;

#
# Dumping data for table `composition`
#

INSERT INTO composition VALUES (1, 'Paper/Carton');
INSERT INTO composition VALUES (2, 'Glandular Secretion');
INSERT INTO composition VALUES (3, 'Leaves');
INSERT INTO composition VALUES (4, 'Bark Fragments');
INSERT INTO composition VALUES (5, 'Paper/Carton with high Saliva Content');
INSERT INTO composition VALUES (6, 'Insect Remains');
INSERT INTO composition VALUES (7, 'Wood/Twigs');
INSERT INTO composition VALUES (8, 'Leaves/Wood chewed into Paste');
INSERT INTO composition VALUES (9, 'Clay/Mud');
INSERT INTO composition VALUES (10, 'Wax');
INSERT INTO composition VALUES (11, 'Rootlets');
INSERT INTO composition VALUES (12, 'Plant Resin');

Let's say that the surveyor selects id numbers 1, 3, 4, 8, 10, 12 from the
drop-down multiple select list.

In that case, I guess I have to create a new table that relates my main
'specimen' table with the compositional elements in the 'composition' table.

I will call this table 'composition_group'.

This table has three columns. One stores a 'comp_group_id', one stores the
'specimen_id' number of the specimen we're working on at the moment, and the
last column stores the the id numbers 1, 3, 4, 8, 10 and 12 from the
'composition' table so we know which compositional elements this specimen is
comprised of.  

I believe the 'composition_group' table will look like this:


CREATE TABLE composition_group (
  comp_group_id smallint(3) NOT NULL auto_increment,
  specimen_id smallint(3) NOT NULL,
   comp_group_values varchar(50) NOT NULL default '',
  PRIMARY KEY  (comp_group_id)
) TYPE=MyISAM;

#
# Dumping data for table `composition_group`
#

INSERT INTO composition_group VALUES (1, 5, '1, 3, 4, 8, 10, 12');
INSERT INTO composition_group VALUES (2, 6, '2, 3, 10');
INSERT INTO composition_group VALUES (3, 7, '4, 6, 7, 8, 11');
INSERT INTO composition_group VALUES (4, 8, '7, 8, 10');

Does this make sense?...

Meanwhile, back in the main 'specimen' table, the column for 'composition'
will contain the 'comp_group_id' that relates to the current 'specimen_id'.

Right?

***I'm worried about the fact that the comp_group_values are numeric and
need to have commas between them... will this be a problem?***


So.. that's the first problem...


I think the second problem is stickier.

For many of the areas of the survey, whether they are presented as single
select drop-down menus, multiple select drop-down menus or checkboxes, there
is also a space for the surveyor to input an 'other' such as:

<input type="text" size="10" name="composition"> Other

using this example, whatever is typed in there needs to be added to the end
of the 'composition' table and made part of the record in the
'composition_group' table for that survey...

thus, then NEXT time someone loads the form, the new compositional element
would be part of the drop down menu or list.

Where I get completely lost how to handle the 'other' problem with survey
areas that use checkboxes instead of menus/lists.  I guess this means that
I'm going to have to also learn how to build groups of checkboxes
dynamically by looking inside the database..

Well.. I could probably figure this out using the same PHP I used to
dynamically build menus/lists.

Anyway.. these are the next problems I need help solving.

Any advice greatly appreciated.

!!!

Thanks!

J. 



From melissa at inexact.info  Wed May 21 21:11:46 2003
From: melissa at inexact.info (Melissa)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:11:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] new problems
In-Reply-To: <200305220049.h4M0nLVD050092@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <JNEOLAPEIIHFPHHIIHEEIEKGCDAA.melissa@inexact.info>

Just as a point of database normalization, I don't think you need to have
the specimen id and the composition group id in both tables....I would leave
the composition group id column out of the specimen table, and just have the
relation be specimen id in both the composition group table and the specimen
table.

As for the 'other' option...you would have to create two insert statements,
the first one inserting a new record into the composition options table, the
second inserting that record (including the newly created value in
composition options) into the composition group table.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:49 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] new problems
>
>
> If I can solve the problems described below for one place in the
> project I'm
> working on, the solution will be applicable to many other places
> as well. I
> also think that the information will be useful for other people
> learning how
> to build apps using MySQL/PHP.
>
> As I've mentioned before, the main table in my database is called
> 'specimens'.
>
> With regards to the survey form here's what I can do so far:
>
> I am able to use PHP to build <select><option></option></select> menus and
> lists.
>
> Some of these are menus where the surveyor can only select one item.  I
> *can* figure out how to write INSERT statements so that these
> selections can
> be inserted in a record in the 'specimens' table.
>
> Others of these are menus where the surveyor can select more than
> one item.
> I *believe* this means I'm going to have to create a table that
> relates the
> specimen_id (the key to the 'specimens' table) with the 1 or >1 number of
> items that are selected from the list by the surveyor.
>
> I'm not sure what the structure of that relate-table should be.
>
> For example, there's a section of the survey regarding the
> 'composition' of
> the specimens that are being surveyed.  In my form, it's a drop-down list
> from which multiple selections can be made.  The drop-down list
> in the form
> is dynamically built by querying the 'composition' table.
>
> here's a dump of the 'composition' table:
>
> CREATE TABLE composition (
>   comp_element_id smallint(3) NOT NULL auto_increment,
>   comp_element varchar(50) NOT NULL default '',
>   PRIMARY KEY  (comp_element_id)
> ) TYPE=MyISAM;
>
> #
> # Dumping data for table `composition`
> #
>
> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (1, 'Paper/Carton');
> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (2, 'Glandular Secretion');
> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (3, 'Leaves');
> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (4, 'Bark Fragments');
> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (5, 'Paper/Carton with high Saliva
> Content');
> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (6, 'Insect Remains');
> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (7, 'Wood/Twigs');
> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (8, 'Leaves/Wood chewed into Paste');
> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (9, 'Clay/Mud');
> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (10, 'Wax');
> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (11, 'Rootlets');
> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (12, 'Plant Resin');
>
> Let's say that the surveyor selects id numbers 1, 3, 4, 8, 10, 12 from the
> drop-down multiple select list.
>
> In that case, I guess I have to create a new table that relates my main
> 'specimen' table with the compositional elements in the
> 'composition' table.
>
> I will call this table 'composition_group'.
>
> This table has three columns. One stores a 'comp_group_id', one stores the
> 'specimen_id' number of the specimen we're working on at the
> moment, and the
> last column stores the the id numbers 1, 3, 4, 8, 10 and 12 from the
> 'composition' table so we know which compositional elements this
> specimen is
> comprised of.
>
> I believe the 'composition_group' table will look like this:
>
>
> CREATE TABLE composition_group (
>   comp_group_id smallint(3) NOT NULL auto_increment,
>   specimen_id smallint(3) NOT NULL,
>    comp_group_values varchar(50) NOT NULL default '',
>   PRIMARY KEY  (comp_group_id)
> ) TYPE=MyISAM;
>
> #
> # Dumping data for table `composition_group`
> #
>
> INSERT INTO composition_group VALUES (1, 5, '1, 3, 4, 8, 10, 12');
> INSERT INTO composition_group VALUES (2, 6, '2, 3, 10');
> INSERT INTO composition_group VALUES (3, 7, '4, 6, 7, 8, 11');
> INSERT INTO composition_group VALUES (4, 8, '7, 8, 10');
>
> Does this make sense?...
>
> Meanwhile, back in the main 'specimen' table, the column for 'composition'
> will contain the 'comp_group_id' that relates to the current
> 'specimen_id'.
>
> Right?
>
> ***I'm worried about the fact that the comp_group_values are numeric and
> need to have commas between them... will this be a problem?***
>
>
> So.. that's the first problem...
>
>
> I think the second problem is stickier.
>
> For many of the areas of the survey, whether they are presented as single
> select drop-down menus, multiple select drop-down menus or
> checkboxes, there
> is also a space for the surveyor to input an 'other' such as:
>
> <input type="text" size="10" name="composition"> Other
>
> using this example, whatever is typed in there needs to be added
> to the end
> of the 'composition' table and made part of the record in the
> 'composition_group' table for that survey...
>
> thus, then NEXT time someone loads the form, the new compositional element
> would be part of the drop down menu or list.
>
> Where I get completely lost how to handle the 'other' problem with survey
> areas that use checkboxes instead of menus/lists.  I guess this means that
> I'm going to have to also learn how to build groups of checkboxes
> dynamically by looking inside the database..
>
> Well.. I could probably figure this out using the same PHP I used to
> dynamically build menus/lists.
>
> Anyway.. these are the next problems I need help solving.
>
> Any advice greatly appreciated.
>
> !!!
>
> Thanks!
>
> J.
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From jfreeman at amnh.org  Wed May 21 22:05:25 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 22:05:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] new problems
In-Reply-To: <200305220111.h4M1BhQv051361@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAF1A8A5.BF64%jfreeman@amnh.org>

First of all, thanks for reading my ridiculously long message!

On 5/21/03 9:11 PM, "Melissa" <melissa at inexact.info> wrote:

> Just as a point of database normalization, I don't think you need to have
> the specimen id and the composition group id in both tables
>I would leave the composition group id column out of the specimen table, and
>just have the relation be specimen id in both the composition group table and
>the specimen table.

I see.. so... i should remove the column for 'composition_group_id' from the
'specimen' table... but the composition_group table will look the way I
described it below...



> 
> As for the 'other' option...you would have to create two insert statements,
> the first one inserting a new record into the composition options table, the
> second inserting that record (including the newly created value in
> composition options) into the composition group table.

OK.. so, all I'm left with is that the next time someone loads the form, all
the menus/lists and checkboxes are dynamically built in the <form> so that
any additions to the menus are properly displayed..

Thanks Melissa...

cheers,

J.


> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joshua S. Freeman [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 8:49 PM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] new problems
>> 
>> 
>> If I can solve the problems described below for one place in the
>> project I'm
>> working on, the solution will be applicable to many other places
>> as well. I
>> also think that the information will be useful for other people
>> learning how
>> to build apps using MySQL/PHP.
>> 
>> As I've mentioned before, the main table in my database is called
>> 'specimens'.
>> 
>> With regards to the survey form here's what I can do so far:
>> 
>> I am able to use PHP to build <select><option></option></select> menus and
>> lists.
>> 
>> Some of these are menus where the surveyor can only select one item.  I
>> *can* figure out how to write INSERT statements so that these
>> selections can
>> be inserted in a record in the 'specimens' table.
>> 
>> Others of these are menus where the surveyor can select more than
>> one item.
>> I *believe* this means I'm going to have to create a table that
>> relates the
>> specimen_id (the key to the 'specimens' table) with the 1 or >1 number of
>> items that are selected from the list by the surveyor.
>> 
>> I'm not sure what the structure of that relate-table should be.
>> 
>> For example, there's a section of the survey regarding the
>> 'composition' of
>> the specimens that are being surveyed.  In my form, it's a drop-down list
>> from which multiple selections can be made.  The drop-down list
>> in the form
>> is dynamically built by querying the 'composition' table.
>> 
>> here's a dump of the 'composition' table:
>> 
>> CREATE TABLE composition (
>>   comp_element_id smallint(3) NOT NULL auto_increment,
>>   comp_element varchar(50) NOT NULL default '',
>>   PRIMARY KEY  (comp_element_id)
>> ) TYPE=MyISAM;
>> 
>> #
>> # Dumping data for table `composition`
>> #
>> 
>> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (1, 'Paper/Carton');
>> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (2, 'Glandular Secretion');
>> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (3, 'Leaves');
>> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (4, 'Bark Fragments');
>> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (5, 'Paper/Carton with high Saliva
>> Content');
>> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (6, 'Insect Remains');
>> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (7, 'Wood/Twigs');
>> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (8, 'Leaves/Wood chewed into Paste');
>> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (9, 'Clay/Mud');
>> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (10, 'Wax');
>> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (11, 'Rootlets');
>> INSERT INTO composition VALUES (12, 'Plant Resin');
>> 
>> Let's say that the surveyor selects id numbers 1, 3, 4, 8, 10, 12 from the
>> drop-down multiple select list.
>> 
>> In that case, I guess I have to create a new table that relates my main
>> 'specimen' table with the compositional elements in the
>> 'composition' table.
>> 
>> I will call this table 'composition_group'.
>> 
>> This table has three columns. One stores a 'comp_group_id', one stores the
>> 'specimen_id' number of the specimen we're working on at the
>> moment, and the
>> last column stores the the id numbers 1, 3, 4, 8, 10 and 12 from the
>> 'composition' table so we know which compositional elements this
>> specimen is
>> comprised of.
>> 
>> I believe the 'composition_group' table will look like this:
>> 
>> 
>> CREATE TABLE composition_group (
>>   comp_group_id smallint(3) NOT NULL auto_increment,
>>   specimen_id smallint(3) NOT NULL,
>>    comp_group_values varchar(50) NOT NULL default '',
>>   PRIMARY KEY  (comp_group_id)
>> ) TYPE=MyISAM;
>> 
>> #
>> # Dumping data for table `composition_group`
>> #
>> 
>> INSERT INTO composition_group VALUES (1, 5, '1, 3, 4, 8, 10, 12');
>> INSERT INTO composition_group VALUES (2, 6, '2, 3, 10');
>> INSERT INTO composition_group VALUES (3, 7, '4, 6, 7, 8, 11');
>> INSERT INTO composition_group VALUES (4, 8, '7, 8, 10');
>> 
>> Does this make sense?...
>> 
>> Meanwhile, back in the main 'specimen' table, the column for 'composition'
>> will contain the 'comp_group_id' that relates to the current
>> 'specimen_id'.
>> 
>> Right?
>> 
>> ***I'm worried about the fact that the comp_group_values are numeric and
>> need to have commas between them... will this be a problem?***
>> 
>> 
>> So.. that's the first problem...
>> 
>> 
>> I think the second problem is stickier.
>> 
>> For many of the areas of the survey, whether they are presented as single
>> select drop-down menus, multiple select drop-down menus or
>> checkboxes, there
>> is also a space for the surveyor to input an 'other' such as:
>> 
>> <input type="text" size="10" name="composition"> Other
>> 
>> using this example, whatever is typed in there needs to be added
>> to the end
>> of the 'composition' table and made part of the record in the
>> 'composition_group' table for that survey...
>> 
>> thus, then NEXT time someone loads the form, the new compositional element
>> would be part of the drop down menu or list.
>> 
>> Where I get completely lost how to handle the 'other' problem with survey
>> areas that use checkboxes instead of menus/lists.  I guess this means that
>> I'm going to have to also learn how to build groups of checkboxes
>> dynamically by looking inside the database..
>> 
>> Well.. I could probably figure this out using the same PHP I used to
>> dynamically build menus/lists.
>> 
>> Anyway.. these are the next problems I need help solving.
>> 
>> Any advice greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> !!!
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> J.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From tech_learner at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 00:48:07 2003
From: tech_learner at yahoo.com (Tracy)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:48:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] new problems
In-Reply-To: <200305220051.h4M0nLcD050092@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030522044807.23890.qmail@web14304.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
too bad i made u search for the book, i thought, the code should help along with the tutorials on O'reiley and devarticles. anyways....
 
ok, if u are game to try a small example, i would like to try to break this table into two. one that holds the "only" selected option and one that holds >1 options with the id field in common. is this how u r proceeding? may be repeating your work to u.... 
 
if u r not very particular about the column names and can go with opt1, opt2, opt3 and so on, then u only need the initial table to be 
ID   OPT1
1    abc
when the user selects more than one, u can have the table extended. there is a tutorial by Ben Rowe where he describes how to include the details provided by the user at the time of registration. 
... "The last function allows us to customize what the session table stores. The session table stores a primary key, session id, username, userid and auth level (used for creating administrators, etc). But what happens when you want to store a persons first and last names so that you can quickly retrieve them? " ...
 
i guess u r in a similar position. take a look at the first 2 parts, that should help. http://www.devarticles.com/author.php?authorId=3
 
>I'm not sure what the structure of that relate-table should be.

i guess yr 2nd problem is partly answered too. i mean either of yr queries would find a solution.
 
Tracy



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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Thu May 22 09:03:59 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:03:59 -0400
Subject: global variables
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2DCF@USA1370MS1>

Hi all,

I have questions regarding global.  It appears that my program that uses
global no longer work consistently.  I think because global has been turned
off in newer server.  I only need global variables so that functions can use
them, however I really do not want to pass everything by value to the
function.

So this code is out:

global $var1, $var2;

I don't know if I should use session (cost?):

declare $_SESSION['var1']... outside the function and do the reverse inside
the function

My current solution is to use $_GET:

declare $_GET['var1']... outside the function and do the reverse inside the
function, i.e., $var1 = $_GET['var1']

Can someone tell me if there's anything wrong with this last option?  I
don't want to use 2nd option because my program is an include file so I
cannot use session_start() consistently.

Thank you,

Pinyo


From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu May 22 09:18:25 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:18:25 -0700
Subject: Need virtual host Apache help ...
Message-ID: <000701c32064$a066b590$6400a8c0@Townsend>

Im trying to setup my laptop to host 5 different PHP-based sites for dev
purposes and getting lost on how to setup Virtual hosting so that it's port
based w/Apache (I can't remember if it could do it or not or if it was
another webserver), ie. port 81 -> site 1, port 82 -> site 2, etc.

<VirtualHost *>
?
</VirtualHost>

Any ideas?  I just would like to not edit httpd.conf every time.

- Jon



From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Thu May 22 09:33:02 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:33:02 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
References: <200305221319.h4MDIdVR068492@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000a01c32066$aca95f40$0200000a@Pentium700>


why not just have each site in a separate directory under DocumentRoot?

e.g. if the document root is /var/www/html, then site directories under
that path, "site1", "site2", etc

so the only thing you'd have to do is http://locahost/site1
and so forth...  or just localhost/site1





----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Baer" <jonbaer at jonbaer.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:18 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...


Im trying to setup my laptop to host 5 different PHP-based sites for dev
purposes and getting lost on how to setup Virtual hosting so that it's
port
based w/Apache (I can't remember if it could do it or not or if it was
another webserver), ie. port 81 -> site 1, port 82 -> site 2, etc.

<VirtualHost *>
?
</VirtualHost>

Any ideas?  I just would like to not edit httpd.conf every time.

- Jon



--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---





From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu May 22 09:38:41 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 06:38:41 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
References: <200305221333.h4MDXKVb069506@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000501c32067$7587f2f0$6400a8c0@Townsend>

Much of the code reflects on relative directories based on the root path ...
(images, styles, etc) ...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Lacey" <jlacey at ix.netcom.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...


>
> why not just have each site in a separate directory under DocumentRoot?
>
> e.g. if the document root is /var/www/html, then site directories under
> that path, "site1", "site2", etc
>
> so the only thing you'd have to do is http://locahost/site1
> and so forth...  or just localhost/site1
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon Baer" <jonbaer at jonbaer.net>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:18 AM
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
>
>
> Im trying to setup my laptop to host 5 different PHP-based sites for dev
> purposes and getting lost on how to setup Virtual hosting so that it's
> port
> based w/Apache (I can't remember if it could do it or not or if it was
> another webserver), ie. port 81 -> site 1, port 82 -> site 2, etc.
>
> <VirtualHost *>
> ?
> </VirtualHost>
>
> Any ideas?  I just would like to not edit httpd.conf every time.
>
> - Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>



From nyphp at websapp.com  Thu May 22 09:45:40 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:45:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
In-Reply-To: <200305221339.h4MDcobB070347@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPIEDHEJAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

Hi Jon,

On my Windows development enviroment, I do this:
Create virtual hosts in httpd.conf
<VirtualHost *>
    ServerName dev.nyphp.org
    DocumentRoot "d:\\sites\\dev.nyphp.org"
</VirtualHost>

You can also define other server specific configurations there as well as
PHP ini values.

In the hosts file (C:\\WINNT\\system32\\drivers\\etc\\hosts) I add the virtual
domain to resolve to my localhost:
127.0.0.1	dev.nyphp.org

The (IE) browsers needs to be closed before any changes in the hosts file
will kick in.

(This can also be done on a Linux box)

Hope this helps.

Best,
Daniel Kushner
Vice President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org/
daniel at nyphp.org



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:39 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
>
>
> Much of the code reflects on relative directories based on the
> root path ...
> (images, styles, etc) ...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Lacey" <jlacey at ix.netcom.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
>
>
> >
> > why not just have each site in a separate directory under DocumentRoot?
> >
> > e.g. if the document root is /var/www/html, then site directories under
> > that path, "site1", "site2", etc
> >
> > so the only thing you'd have to do is http://locahost/site1
> > and so forth...  or just localhost/site1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jon Baer" <jonbaer at jonbaer.net>
> > To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:18 AM
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
> >
> >
> > Im trying to setup my laptop to host 5 different PHP-based sites for dev
> > purposes and getting lost on how to setup Virtual hosting so that it's
> > port
> > based w/Apache (I can't remember if it could do it or not or if it was
> > another webserver), ie. port 81 -> site 1, port 82 -> site 2, etc.
> >
> > <VirtualHost *>
> > ?
> > </VirtualHost>
> >
> > Any ideas?  I just would like to not edit httpd.conf every time.
> >
> > - Jon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>




From chendry at nyc.rr.com  Thu May 22 09:50:13 2003
From: chendry at nyc.rr.com (Christopher Hendry)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:50:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
In-Reply-To: <200305221319.h4MDIdX9068492@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <JMEHLOIOFHBEJDCDJNLOGEBNCHAA.chendry@nyc.rr.com>

Does it need to be port based?  I don't know how to set that up, but I use
Apache for plenty of different dev sites on my computers (windows):

Be sure to uncomment this line in httpd.conf:

NameVirtualHost *

Then minimum add this per site:

 <VirtualHost *>
         DocumentRoot "c:\\foobar"
         ServerName foobar
 </VirtualHost>

Also edit your windows/system32/drivers/etc/hosts file to reflect the new
sites, ie:

127.0.0.1  foobar


The above works for me.  :)


-> -----Original Message-----
-> From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net]
-> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 9:19 AM
-> To: NYPHP Talk
-> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
->
->
-> Im trying to setup my laptop to host 5 different PHP-based sites for dev
-> purposes and getting lost on how to setup Virtual hosting so
-> that it's port
-> based w/Apache (I can't remember if it could do it or not or if it was
-> another webserver), ie. port 81 -> site 1, port 82 -> site 2, etc.
->
-> <VirtualHost *>
-> ?
-> </VirtualHost>
->
-> Any ideas?  I just would like to not edit httpd.conf every time.
->
-> - Jon
->
->
->
-> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
->
->
->




From thegeek at thecolorgeek.com  Thu May 22 09:53:58 2003
From: thegeek at thecolorgeek.com (The Geek)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:53:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
In-Reply-To: <200305221339.h4MDcoZn070347@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <D63B1809-8C5C-11D7-8518-003065489A1E@thecolorgeek.com>

Even if you do get virtual host working I believe you sill still have 
problems due to DNS issues.  So even if virtual host is for 
www.xxxx.com is working your DNS will need to point to your laptop as 
the host of that domain.  Otherwise how else will the domain be 
resolved.  Do you need to have all sites active at once?


On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 09:38 AM, Jon Baer wrote:

> Much of the code reflects on relative directories based on the root 
> path ...
> (images, styles, etc) ...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Lacey" <jlacey at ix.netcom.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
>
>
>>
>> why not just have each site in a separate directory under 
>> DocumentRoot?
>>
>> e.g. if the document root is /var/www/html, then site directories 
>> under
>> that path, "site1", "site2", etc
>>
>> so the only thing you'd have to do is http://locahost/site1
>> and so forth...  or just localhost/site1
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jon Baer" <jonbaer at jonbaer.net>
>> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 7:18 AM
>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
>>
>>
>> Im trying to setup my laptop to host 5 different PHP-based sites for 
>> dev
>> purposes and getting lost on how to setup Virtual hosting so that it's
>> port
>> based w/Apache (I can't remember if it could do it or not or if it was
>> another webserver), ie. port 81 -> site 1, port 82 -> site 2, etc.
>>
>> <VirtualHost *>
>> ?
>> </VirtualHost>
>>
>> Any ideas?  I just would like to not edit httpd.conf every time.
>>
>> - Jon
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>



From max at idsociety.com  Thu May 22 09:58:41 2003
From: max at idsociety.com (max goldberg)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 09:58:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
In-Reply-To: <200305221318.h4MDIdV3068492@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305221318.h4MDIdV3068492@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ECCD791.8000203@idsociety.com>

To specify a port to listen to multiple ports, you have to do two things
 if I am remembering correctly. The first is find the line that says
'Listen 80' and change it to 'Listen 80 81 82' etc. Then on each
<VirtualHost *> tag you can do <VirtualHost *:80> etc. Another solution
would be to follow John Lacey's suggestion but use host based vhosts.
You could add a line in your hosts file for each site, and then just use
http://site1/ and http://site2/

The hosts file should be in /etc/hosts or in your windows directory.
If you wanted to do it this way you would add lines like this:

127.0.0.1  site1
127.0.0.1  site2

You can name them whatever you like (as long as they are legitimate host
names)

-Max



Jon Baer wrote:
> Im trying to setup my laptop to host 5 different PHP-based sites for dev
> purposes and getting lost on how to setup Virtual hosting so that it's port
> based w/Apache (I can't remember if it could do it or not or if it was
> another webserver), ie. port 81 -> site 1, port 82 -> site 2, etc.
> 
> <VirtualHost *>
> ?
> </VirtualHost>
> 
> Any ideas?  I just would like to not edit httpd.conf every time.
> 
> - Jon
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu May 22 10:09:04 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:09:04 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
References: <200305221347.h4MDl8Vb071232@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <002e01c3206b$b4322300$6400a8c0@Townsend>

Ahhhh ... forgot about the host file ... much thanks! :-)

I just mapped a bunch of single names to localhost:

127.0.0.1 site1
127.0.0.1 site2
127.0.0.1 site3

And the virtual hosting works like a charm ... 

> 
> In the hosts file (C:\\WINNT\\system32\\drivers\\etc\\hosts) I add the virtual
> domain to resolve to my localhost:
> 127.0.0.1 dev.nyphp.org
> 



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu May 22 10:11:52 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:11:52 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
References: <200305221354.h4MDs2Vb072855@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <003201c3206c$184f1aa0$6400a8c0@Townsend>

True ... with a full domain it won't work and it's just me @ the moment so
the names along the network don't really matter, it's just more convienent
to have them up @ once.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The Geek" <thegeek at thecolorgeek.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...


> Even if you do get virtual host working I believe you sill still have
> problems due to DNS issues.  So even if virtual host is for
> www.xxxx.com is working your DNS will need to point to your laptop as
> the host of that domain.  Otherwise how else will the domain be
> resolved.  Do you need to have all sites active at once?
>
>



From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu May 22 10:15:55 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 07:15:55 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...
References: <200305221359.h4MDwjVb073661@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <003e01c3206c$a9986700$6400a8c0@Townsend>

Ahh ....

Thank you.  I just realized they all won't map out to ports either way
because "localhost" can only have a single DocumentRoot.  The named hosting
works fine.

- Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "max goldberg" <max at idsociety.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Need virtual host Apache help ...


> To specify a port to listen to multiple ports, you have to do two things
>  if I am remembering correctly. The first is find the line that says
> 'Listen 80' and change it to 'Listen 80 81 82' etc. Then on each
> <VirtualHost *> tag you can do <VirtualHost *:80> etc. Another solution



From emm at scriptdigital.com  Thu May 22 10:35:26 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:35:26 -0400
Subject: Adding <br> and <p> to a text
Message-ID: <p05210211baf28cefdc3c@[192.168.0.2]>

Hello,

I have this function (see below)  that add <p> to create paragraph to 
text that are coming either from a database (where its unformatted), 
or from a <textarea>.

Now, I wrote this a while ago, and I remember that it took me quite 
some times to come up with a function that work. Its used in a 
controlled environment, so I don't need to strip any html tags or 
javascript in  it, but I migth add a new param to the function just 
for that and use strip_tags().

Now, what I'd like to do is to add <br> after one carriage and keep 
the 'autoparagraphs' feature.

----------------------------------------------
For example I'd like to turn this:
----------------------------------------------

This is one paragraph.

And this another one.

And the first sentence of the last paragraph.
And this the last sentence of the last paragraph.


----------------------------------------------
As this:
----------------------------------------------

<p>
This is one paragraph.
</p>

<p>
And this another one.
</p>

<p>
And the first sentence of the last paragraph.<br>
And this the last sentence of the last paragraph.
</p>

----------------------------------------------

This function work well for adding paragraph, but I'm not sure how to 
tackle the question of <br>.

Maybe some of you have already a function that just do that, or can 
point to me how I could change my function to handle the <br>. I'm 
sure that almost every PHP programmer had done something similar.

TIA

ps: ajouteParagraphes == addParagraph

function formateTexte ($texte, $ajouteParagraphes=1) {

     # translation of accented char, we keep all html tags
     $table = get_html_translation_table (HTML_ENTITIES);
     $table['<'] = '<';
     $table['>'] = '>';
     $texte = strtr ($texte, $table);

     if ($ajouteParagraphes) {
       # add <p>
       $texteElements = preg_split ("/\
(\\s)+/U", $texte);
       $nouveauTexte = "";
       foreach ($texteElements as $item) {
         #be sure to strip control chars
         $item = trim ($item);
         if ( strlen ($item) != 0 ) {
           $nouveauTexte .= "<p>$item</p>\
";
         }
       }
       $texte = $nouveauTexte;
     }
     return $texte;
}

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______________________________________________________________________
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Radio UserLand/Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript  <http://scriptdigital.com/>
Blog: <http://blog.scriptdigital.com> - AIM: scriptdigital



From chris at psydeshow.org  Thu May 22 11:22:19 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:22:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] global variables
In-Reply-To: <200305221306.h4MD48YT067470@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305221306.h4MD48YT067470@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ECCEB2B.8020704@psydeshow.org>

Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I have questions regarding global.  It appears that my program that uses
>global no longer work consistently.  I think because global has been turned
>off in newer server.  I only need global variables so that functions can use
>them, however I really do not want to pass everything by value to the
>function.
>
>So this code is out:
>
>global $var1, $var2;
>
>  
>
That doesn't seem entirely right-- global $var1, $var2; should still 
work just fine. What's been turned off is probably "register_globals" 
which only applies to server environment and CGI request variables, not 
variables that you declare at runtime.

file:///usr/local/share/doc/php/configuration.directives.html#ini.register-globals

If either $var1 or $var2 are really $_GET['var1'] or $_GET['var2], then 
you'll need to explicitly assign them in global scope like so:

<?php

function foo() {
    global $var1, $var2;
    return $var2.$var1;
    }

$var1= $_GET['var1'];
$var2= $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'];

?>

Should work...








From chris at psydeshow.org  Thu May 22 11:41:38 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 11:41:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Adding <br> and <p> to a text
In-Reply-To: <200305221436.h4MEZxYT077239@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305221436.h4MEZxYT077239@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ECCEFB2.3080507@psydeshow.org>

Emmanuel. M. Decarie wrote:

>Now, what I'd like to do is to add <br> after one carriage and keep 
>the 'autoparagraphs' feature.
>
>  
>
After you determine each paragraph, would it work to call nl2br($item) ?
(This would also give you xhtml-compliant <br />s.)

file:///usr/local/share/doc/php/function.nl2br.html

    chris.



From wfan at encogent.com  Thu May 22 12:20:18 2003
From: wfan at encogent.com (Wellington Fan)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:20:18 -0400
Subject: Slightly OT -- problems with webhoster
Message-ID: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEAEFBDOAA.wfan@encogent.com>

Hello Listfriends; sorry this is slightly off-topic.

I recently switched web hosts, and I'm getting really frustrated. At least
once a week, my email will go down for a day. Less frequently, the web
server and the ftp server will also be unavailable.

I've searched their website for a voice phone # -- can't find any. My emails
to "support" go unanswered.

So, suggestions on what to do now? I mean it's $60 -- that's a year, paid in
advance -- so it's not so much the money as the principle of the thing...


--
Wellington Fan





From emm at scriptdigital.com  Thu May 22 12:28:14 2003
From: emm at scriptdigital.com (Emmanuel. M. Decarie)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:28:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Adding <br> and <p> to a text
In-Reply-To: <200305221542.h4MFfeYr082862@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305221542.h4MFfeYr082862@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <p05210213baf2a9c19d94@[192.168.0.2]>

Hello chris,

>After you determine each paragraph, would it work to call nl2br($item) ?
>(This would also give you xhtml-compliant <br />s.)
>
>file:///usr/local/share/doc/php/function.nl2br.html
>
>     chris.

Ah! PHP surprise me everyday with 'out of the box' solutions. Thanks 
a lot for the pointer.

I made some mods to my function and its working as expected.

   function formateTexte ($texte, $ajouteParagraphes=1) {

       $texte = trim ($texte);

       # translate accented chars to html entities
       # keep html tags
       $table = get_html_translation_table (HTML_ENTITIES);
       $table['<'] = '<';
       $table['>'] = '>';
       $texte = strtr ($texte, $table);
      
       if ($ajouteParagraphes) {
         # add <p>
         $texteElements = preg_split ("/\
(\\s)+/U", $texte);
         $nouveauTexte = "";
         foreach ($texteElements as $item) {
           #be sure to strip control chars
           $item = trim ($item);
           if ( strlen ($item) != 0 ) {
             $nouveauTexte .= "<p>$item</p>";
           }
         }
         # add <br /> and 2 newlines after </p>
         $table = null;
         $texte = nl2br($nouveauTexte);
         $table["</p>"]    = "</p>\
\
";
         $texte        = strtr ($texte, $table);
       }
       return $texte;
   }

This list rocks!

Cheers
-Emmanuel
-- 
______________________________________________________________________
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Radio UserLand/Frontier - Perl - PHP - Javascript  <http://scriptdigital.com/>
Blog: <http://blog.scriptdigital.com> - AIM: scriptdigital



From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Thu May 22 12:22:09 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:22:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] global variables
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2DD4@USA1370MS1>

Hi Chris,

Thanks.  Oops, I figured it out as I was writing this.

Essentially, my web page call a template.php file.  The body text is already
inside a function called render_body() that's why variable that should be
global is not global (because it is in local scope of a function).  Well, in
this case, I can still force local variable into global scope by doing
something like this:

function render_body() {
	$var1 = "this is a locally defined variable";
	$_GET['var1'] = $var1;  // $var1 is local variable defined in
render_body() function
}

Then in another function call, the variable like this

function someOtherFunction() {
	$var1 = $_GET['var1']; // because using global $var1 will not work
	echo $var1;
}

Is this okay?

Thank you,
Pinyo


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Snyder [mailto:chris at psydeshow.org]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 11:22 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] global variables


Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I have questions regarding global.  It appears that my program that uses
>global no longer work consistently.  I think because global has been turned
>off in newer server.  I only need global variables so that functions can
use
>them, however I really do not want to pass everything by value to the
>function.
>
>So this code is out:
>
>global $var1, $var2;
>
>  
>
That doesn't seem entirely right-- global $var1, $var2; should still 
work just fine. What's been turned off is probably "register_globals" 
which only applies to server environment and CGI request variables, not 
variables that you declare at runtime.

file:///usr/local/share/doc/php/configuration.directives.html#ini.register-g
lobals

If either $var1 or $var2 are really $_GET['var1'] or $_GET['var2], then 
you'll need to explicitly assign them in global scope like so:

<?php

function foo() {
    global $var1, $var2;
    return $var2.$var1;
    }

$var1= $_GET['var1'];
$var2= $_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT'];

?>

Should work...








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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Thu May 22 12:31:55 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 12:31:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Slightly OT -- problems with webhoster
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2DD6@USA1370MS1>

Would you be able to tell us who it is so that we can avoid them?  Do they
have money back guarantee?  Not sure what you can do beside switching.

Is BBB helpful?  Or causing damage by establishing host to avoid list?

Just my 2 cents

-----Original Message-----
From: Wellington Fan [mailto:wfan at encogent.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:21 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Slightly OT -- problems with webhoster


Hello Listfriends; sorry this is slightly off-topic.

I recently switched web hosts, and I'm getting really frustrated. At least
once a week, my email will go down for a day. Less frequently, the web
server and the ftp server will also be unavailable.

I've searched their website for a voice phone # -- can't find any. My emails
to "support" go unanswered.

So, suggestions on what to do now? I mean it's $60 -- that's a year, paid in
advance -- so it's not so much the money as the principle of the thing...


--
Wellington Fan





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From wfan at encogent.com  Thu May 22 13:19:37 2003
From: wfan at encogent.com (Wellington Fan)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:19:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Slightly OT -- problems with webhoster
In-Reply-To: <200305221636.h4MGaGTD089549@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NGBBIDLNCJJKIBJPNEHEAEFDDOAA.wfan@encogent.com>

Yeah, they've just blown their last chance -- worldwebhosters.com.

They're pretty damn cheap, but the old saw applies -- "You get what you pay
for."

Looks like I'm gonna have to escalate this, maybe the BBB can help with
that.

--
Wellington



> Would you be able to tell us who it is so that we can avoid them?  Do they
> have money back guarantee?  Not sure what you can do beside switching.
>
> Is BBB helpful?  Or causing damage by establishing host to avoid list?
>
> Just my 2 cents
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wellington Fan [mailto:wfan at encogent.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:21 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Slightly OT -- problems with webhoster
>
>
> Hello Listfriends; sorry this is slightly off-topic.
>
> I recently switched web hosts, and I'm getting really frustrated. At least
> once a week, my email will go down for a day. Less frequently, the web
> server and the ftp server will also be unavailable.
>
> I've searched their website for a voice phone # -- can't find
> any. My emails
> to "support" go unanswered.
>
> So, suggestions on what to do now? I mean it's $60 -- that's a
> year, paid in
> advance -- so it's not so much the money as the principle of the thing...
>
>
> --
> Wellington Fan



From sailer at bnl.gov  Thu May 22 13:27:15 2003
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:27:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Slightly OT -- problems with webhoster
In-Reply-To: <200305221720.h4MHJwRh091666@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305221720.h4MHJwRh091666@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030522172715.GA26718@bnl.gov>

>From whois:

Administrative Contact:
   Innovative Internet Services, Inc.
   Joh Poligna   (worldwebhosters at msn.com)
   866-278-8647
   FAX: 360-248-6393
   Charleston
   Charleston, NA W.I.
   KN


Send a Fax, get the transmission slip from the fax machine, and
you have a semi-legal proof you contacted them.

Tim

On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 01:19:58PM -0400, Wellington Fan wrote:
> Yeah, they've just blown their last chance -- worldwebhosters.com.
> 
> They're pretty damn cheap, but the old saw applies -- "You get what you pay
> for."
> 
> Looks like I'm gonna have to escalate this, maybe the BBB can help with
> that.
> 
> --
> Wellington
> 
> 
> 
> > Would you be able to tell us who it is so that we can avoid them?  Do they
> > have money back guarantee?  Not sure what you can do beside switching.
> >
> > Is BBB helpful?  Or causing damage by establishing host to avoid list?
> >
> > Just my 2 cents
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wellington Fan [mailto:wfan at encogent.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:21 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] Slightly OT -- problems with webhoster
> >
> >
> > Hello Listfriends; sorry this is slightly off-topic.
> >
> > I recently switched web hosts, and I'm getting really frustrated. At least
> > once a week, my email will go down for a day. Less frequently, the web
> > server and the ftp server will also be unavailable.
> >
> > I've searched their website for a voice phone # -- can't find
> > any. My emails
> > to "support" go unanswered.
> >
> > So, suggestions on what to do now? I mean it's $60 -- that's a
> > year, paid in
> > advance -- so it's not so much the money as the principle of the thing...
> >
> >
> > --
> > Wellington Fan
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 

-- 
Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov> 
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From chris at psydeshow.org  Thu May 22 13:35:47 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:35:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] global variables
In-Reply-To: <200305221631.h4MGUNYR088240@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305221631.h4MGUNYR088240@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ECD0A73.1020903@psydeshow.org>

You can just declare $var1 as a global with global $var1; inside your 
first function. You don't need to pass it around using the $_GET array.

Try this:

<?php
function myfunction() {
    global $var1;
    $var1= "Hello world";
}

function mynextfunction() {
    global $var1;
    print $var1;
}

myfunction();
mynextfunction();
print " -- (^_^)P ";
?>



From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Thu May 22 13:47:02 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:47:02 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] global variables
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D58@pcsnet>

I've been told best practice is to NOT use globals in functions, if simply
for readability but I bet we all do :) . Also, I wonder if a passed
reference to a variable is as efficient... does anyone have an opinion on
which of these is better and why (as a general rule)
1)

	$var foo;
	function  bar(&$foo){
		do stuff to change $foo
	}

2)
	var $foo = bar();
	function bar(){
		do stuff
		return a value for $foo
	}

3)
var $foo;
bar();
function bar(){
	global $foo;
	do stuff to change $foo
}

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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Thu May 22 14:17:09 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 14:17:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] global variables
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2DD8@USA1370MS1>

I typically use the 2nd one if I am only changing 1 variable.  I think it is
the cleanest.  I use the first, when the function changes several variables
used by several functions.

I don't use 3rd option because it is not very clear.

I know global is not too good to use a lot, but I am trying to consolidate
variables that affect the functionality of multiple files in one place so
that the program is easier to install/customize.

Pinyo

-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:47 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] global variables


I've been told best practice is to NOT use globals in functions, if simply
for readability but I bet we all do :) . Also, I wonder if a passed
reference to a variable is as efficient... does anyone have an opinion on
which of these is better and why (as a general rule)
1)

	$var foo;
	function  bar(&$foo){
		do stuff to change $foo
	}

2)
	var $foo = bar();
	function bar(){
		do stuff
		return a value for $foo
	}

3)
var $foo;
bar();
function bar(){
	global $foo;
	do stuff to change $foo
}




--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---



From dkrook at hotmail.com  Thu May 22 15:28:32 2003
From: dkrook at hotmail.com (D C Krook)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:28:32 -0400
Subject: OT: JavaScript IDE/editor
Message-ID: <BAY2-F44cpodlZZTLOm0001da42@hotmail.com>

Alright,

I just finished debugging a JavaScript application, and a one problem had 
plagued me for about a day and a half (later solved with a single line of 
code).

Besides document.write(), alert(), the Netscape/Mozilla JavaScript console, 
and the Venkman XPI add-on, can anyone recommend an IDE, tool, or focused 
application (like TopStyle Pro for CSS) that excels in JavaScript editing 
and debugging?

I'm not really looking for an all purpose editor such as HomeSite or 
UltraEdit, but one that sells itself purely on JavaScript editing 
capabilities and that can serve as a supplement to my regular editor (as 
TopStyle does).

Thanks for any leads.

-Dan







==========================================
Daniel Christer Krook
http://krook.net/ || http://krook.info/
http://civet.net/ || http://dev.krook.org/

_________________________________________________________________
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From onnojan at earthlink.net  Thu May 22 15:48:12 2003
From: onnojan at earthlink.net (onno de jong)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:48:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Slightly OT -- problems with webhoster
In-Reply-To: <200305221729.h4MHScZX092655@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <524D5EFE-8C8E-11D7-BA23-000393DC5FBE@earthlink.net>

I can put in a good word for http://www.phpwebhosting.com/

sure, its a little more $9 a month, but I've had no aggravation.

onno
On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 01:28  PM, Tim Sailer wrote:

> From whois:
>
> Administrative Contact:
>    Innovative Internet Services, Inc.
>    Joh Poligna   (worldwebhosters at msn.com)
>    866-278-8647
>    FAX: 360-248-6393
>    Charleston
>    Charleston, NA W.I.
>    KN
>
>
> Send a Fax, get the transmission slip from the fax machine, and
> you have a semi-legal proof you contacted them.
>
> Tim
>
> On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 01:19:58PM -0400, Wellington Fan wrote:
>> Yeah, they've just blown their last chance -- worldwebhosters.com.
>>
>> They're pretty damn cheap, but the old saw applies -- "You get what 
>> you pay
>> for."
>>
>> Looks like I'm gonna have to escalate this, maybe the BBB can help 
>> with
>> that.
>>
>> --
>> Wellington
>>
>>
>>
>>> Would you be able to tell us who it is so that we can avoid them?  
>>> Do they
>>> have money back guarantee?  Not sure what you can do beside 
>>> switching.
>>>
>>> Is BBB helpful?  Or causing damage by establishing host to avoid 
>>> list?
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Wellington Fan [mailto:wfan at encogent.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:21 PM
>>> To: NYPHP Talk
>>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Slightly OT -- problems with webhoster
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Listfriends; sorry this is slightly off-topic.
>>>
>>> I recently switched web hosts, and I'm getting really frustrated. At 
>>> least
>>> once a week, my email will go down for a day. Less frequently, the 
>>> web
>>> server and the ftp server will also be unavailable.
>>>
>>> I've searched their website for a voice phone # -- can't find
>>> any. My emails
>>> to "support" go unanswered.
>>>
>>> So, suggestions on what to do now? I mean it's $60 -- that's a
>>> year, paid in
>>> advance -- so it's not so much the money as the principle of the 
>>> thing...
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Wellington Fan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov>
> Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From jlacey at ix.netcom.com  Thu May 22 15:50:59 2003
From: jlacey at ix.netcom.com (John Lacey)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 13:50:59 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: JavaScript IDE/editor
References: <200305221929.h4MJSbVR098895@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000d01c3209b$791a1cc0$0200000a@Pentium700>


take a look at Arachnophilia
http://www.arachnoid.com/arachnophilia/

it's java-based and runs on windows, linux, etc....



----- Original Message -----
From: "D C Krook" <dkrook at hotmail.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 1:28 PM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: JavaScript IDE/editor


Alright,

I just finished debugging a JavaScript application, and a one problem
had
plagued me for about a day and a half (later solved with a single line
of
code).

Besides document.write(), alert(), the Netscape/Mozilla JavaScript
console,
and the Venkman XPI add-on, can anyone recommend an IDE, tool, or
focused
application (like TopStyle Pro for CSS) that excels in JavaScript
editing
and debugging?

I'm not really looking for an all purpose editor such as HomeSite or
UltraEdit, but one that sells itself purely on JavaScript editing
capabilities and that can serve as a supplement to my regular editor (as
TopStyle does).

Thanks for any leads.

-Dan







==========================================
Daniel Christer Krook
http://krook.net/ || http://krook.info/
http://civet.net/ || http://dev.krook.org/

_________________________________________________________________
STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail



--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---





From rolan at omnistep.com  Thu May 22 16:02:16 2003
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:02:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Slightly OT -- problems with webhoster
In-Reply-To: <200305221621.h4MGKjXZ086493@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305221621.h4MGKjXZ086493@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ECD2CC8.1060604@omnistep.com>

Looks like you've been HAD!
Tell us what isp, so we know to avoid them.

~Rolan

Wellington Fan wrote:

>Hello Listfriends; sorry this is slightly off-topic.
>
>I recently switched web hosts, and I'm getting really frustrated. At least
>once a week, my email will go down for a day. Less frequently, the web
>server and the ftp server will also be unavailable.
>
>I've searched their website for a voice phone # -- can't find any. My emails
>to "support" go unanswered.
>
>So, suggestions on what to do now? I mean it's $60 -- that's a year, paid in
>advance -- so it's not so much the money as the principle of the thing...
>
>
>--
>Wellington Fan
>
>
>
>
>
>--- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>
>  
>



From ejp at well.com  Thu May 22 16:31:09 2003
From: ejp at well.com (Edward Potter)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:31:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Slightly OT -- problems with webhoster
In-Reply-To: <200305221949.h4MJmIbF000180@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <5268AA78-8C94-11D7-84A2-000393BF8A42@well.com>

I have moved all my web stuff/php to dreamhost.com  a bit more techy, 
but I think they're the best.


On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 03:48  PM, onno de jong wrote:

> I can put in a good word for http://www.phpwebhosting.com/
>
> sure, its a little more $9 a month, but I've had no aggravation.
>
> onno
> On Thursday, May 22, 2003, at 01:28  PM, Tim Sailer wrote:
>
>> From whois:
>>
>> Administrative Contact:
>>    Innovative Internet Services, Inc.
>>    Joh Poligna   (worldwebhosters at msn.com)
>>    866-278-8647
>>    FAX: 360-248-6393
>>    Charleston
>>    Charleston, NA W.I.
>>    KN
>>
>>
>> Send a Fax, get the transmission slip from the fax machine, and
>> you have a semi-legal proof you contacted them.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Thu, May 22, 2003 at 01:19:58PM -0400, Wellington Fan wrote:
>>> Yeah, they've just blown their last chance -- worldwebhosters.com.
>>>
>>> They're pretty damn cheap, but the old saw applies -- "You get what
>>> you pay
>>> for."
>>>
>>> Looks like I'm gonna have to escalate this, maybe the BBB can help
>>> with
>>> that.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Wellington
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Would you be able to tell us who it is so that we can avoid them?
>>>> Do they
>>>> have money back guarantee?  Not sure what you can do beside
>>>> switching.
>>>>
>>>> Is BBB helpful?  Or causing damage by establishing host to avoid
>>>> list?
>>>>
>>>> Just my 2 cents
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Wellington Fan [mailto:wfan at encogent.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 12:21 PM
>>>> To: NYPHP Talk
>>>> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Slightly OT -- problems with webhoster
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Listfriends; sorry this is slightly off-topic.
>>>>
>>>> I recently switched web hosts, and I'm getting really frustrated. At
>>>> least
>>>> once a week, my email will go down for a day. Less frequently, the
>>>> web
>>>> server and the ftp server will also be unavailable.
>>>>
>>>> I've searched their website for a voice phone # -- can't find
>>>> any. My emails
>>>> to "support" go unanswered.
>>>>
>>>> So, suggestions on what to do now? I mean it's $60 -- that's a
>>>> year, paid in
>>>> advance -- so it's not so much the money as the principle of the
>>>> thing...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Wellington Fan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov>
>> Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 18:55:26 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 15:55:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] global variables
In-Reply-To: <200305221747.h4MHl6XL094643@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030522225526.91566.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> I've been told best practice is to NOT use globals in functions, if simply
> for readability but I bet we all do :) . Also, I wonder if a passed
> reference to a variable is as efficient... does anyone have an opinion on
> which of these is better and why (as a general rule)
> 1)
> 
> 	$var foo;
> 	function  bar(&$foo){
> 		do stuff to change $foo
> 	}
> 
> 2)
> 	var $foo = bar();
> 	function bar(){
> 		do stuff
> 		return a value for $foo
> 	}
> 
> 3)
> var $foo;
> bar();
> function bar(){
> 	global $foo;
> 	do stuff to change $foo
> }

>From various dealings and bugging people, I understand that this is
preferred:


function createAglobal() {
   $GLOBALS['myglobal'] = 'The Value';
}

/** Fast **/
function readAglobal() {
   echo "This is my global: {$GLOBALS['myglobal']}";
}

/** A *tiny* bit slower, but more readable if the global is used a lot **/
function readAglobal2() {
   $nochange = $GLOBALS['nochange'];

   echo "This is my global: $nochange";
}

function changeAglobal() {
   $GLOBALS['yeschange'] .= "Appending this string";
   echo "This changed the global var:  {$GLOBALS['yeschange']}";
}

function changeAglobal2() {
   $yeschange = &$GLOBALS['yeschange'];
   $yeschange .= "Appending this string";
   echo "This changed the global var:  $yeschange";
}

Or any variation thereof - YMMV  :)


H





From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Thu May 22 19:13:03 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:13:03 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] global variables
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D5F@pcsnet>

Whoa...

 never even thought of appending the GLOBALS array!

on the same subject:
	does php get the same performace boost from referencing large arrays
instead of passing them like C?

ex:
	$fatarray = array(5 Megs o' stuff);
	sortFatArray($fatarray);

	function sortFatArray(&$fattyref){
		sort($fattyref);
	}



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:zaunere at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 22 May, 2003 3:55 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] global variables
> 
> 
> 
> --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> > I've been told best practice is to NOT use globals in 
> functions, if simply
> > for readability but I bet we all do :) . Also, I wonder if a passed
> > reference to a variable is as efficient... does anyone have 
> an opinion on
> > which of these is better and why (as a general rule)
> > 1)
> > 
> > 	$var foo;
> > 	function  bar(&$foo){
> > 		do stuff to change $foo
> > 	}
> > 
> > 2)
> > 	var $foo = bar();
> > 	function bar(){
> > 		do stuff
> > 		return a value for $foo
> > 	}
> > 
> > 3)
> > var $foo;
> > bar();
> > function bar(){
> > 	global $foo;
> > 	do stuff to change $foo
> > }
> 
> From various dealings and bugging people, I understand that this is
> preferred:
> 
> 
> function createAglobal() {
>    $GLOBALS['myglobal'] = 'The Value';
> }
> 
> /** Fast **/
> function readAglobal() {
>    echo "This is my global: {$GLOBALS['myglobal']}";
> }
> 
> /** A *tiny* bit slower, but more readable if the global is 
> used a lot **/
> function readAglobal2() {
>    $nochange = $GLOBALS['nochange'];
> 
>    echo "This is my global: $nochange";
> }
> 
> function changeAglobal() {
>    $GLOBALS['yeschange'] .= "Appending this string";
>    echo "This changed the global var:  {$GLOBALS['yeschange']}";
> }
> 
> function changeAglobal2() {
>    $yeschange = &$GLOBALS['yeschange'];
>    $yeschange .= "Appending this string";
>    echo "This changed the global var:  $yeschange";
> }
> 
> Or any variation thereof - YMMV  :)
> 
> 
> H
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu May 22 20:18:05 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 17:18:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] global variables
In-Reply-To: <200305222313.h4MND8XJ010895@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030523001805.50804.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> Whoa...
> 
>  never even thought of appending the GLOBALS array!
> 
> on the same subject:
> 	does php get the same performace boost from referencing large arrays
> instead of passing them like C?

Ehh, well, sort of.  References in PHP are not pointers in C, although they
act similarly sometimes :)

> ex:
> 	$fatarray = array(5 Megs o' stuff);
> 	sortFatArray($fatarray);
> 
> 	function sortFatArray(&$fattyref){
> 		sort($fattyref);
> 	}

In this case, since sort() modifies it's argument, if you wanted to sort the
global $fatarray you would need to declare the user function as accepting a
reference (with the ampersand), as well.  Otherwise, you'd end up with 10megs
of memory resident array.

On the other hand, if you are only reading the array in your user function,
it's better not to use a reference.

H


> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:zaunere at yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, 22 May, 2003 3:55 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] global variables
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- "Malcolm, Gary" <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:
> > > I've been told best practice is to NOT use globals in 
> > functions, if simply
> > > for readability but I bet we all do :) . Also, I wonder if a passed
> > > reference to a variable is as efficient... does anyone have 
> > an opinion on
> > > which of these is better and why (as a general rule)
> > > 1)
> > > 
> > > 	$var foo;
> > > 	function  bar(&$foo){
> > > 		do stuff to change $foo
> > > 	}
> > > 
> > > 2)
> > > 	var $foo = bar();
> > > 	function bar(){
> > > 		do stuff
> > > 		return a value for $foo
> > > 	}
> > > 
> > > 3)
> > > var $foo;
> > > bar();
> > > function bar(){
> > > 	global $foo;
> > > 	do stuff to change $foo
> > > }
> > 
> > From various dealings and bugging people, I understand that this is
> > preferred:
> > 
> > 
> > function createAglobal() {
> >    $GLOBALS['myglobal'] = 'The Value';
> > }
> > 
> > /** Fast **/
> > function readAglobal() {
> >    echo "This is my global: {$GLOBALS['myglobal']}";
> > }
> > 
> > /** A *tiny* bit slower, but more readable if the global is 
> > used a lot **/
> > function readAglobal2() {
> >    $nochange = $GLOBALS['nochange'];
> > 
> >    echo "This is my global: $nochange";
> > }
> > 
> > function changeAglobal() {
> >    $GLOBALS['yeschange'] .= "Appending this string";
> >    echo "This changed the global var:  {$GLOBALS['yeschange']}";
> > }
> > 
> > function changeAglobal2() {
> >    $yeschange = &$GLOBALS['yeschange'];
> >    $yeschange .= "Appending this string";
> >    echo "This changed the global var:  $yeschange";
> > }
> > 
> > Or any variation thereof - YMMV  :)
> > 
> > 
> > H
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
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From agfische at email.smith.edu  Sat May 24 00:01:50 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:01:50 -0400
Subject: $_POST
Message-ID: <seceb682.076@EMAIL.SMITH.EDU>

Hi all,

Relative newbie with my first post.  

I want to take the values of $_POST that are coming from a form and
convert them to a string.  I was attempting to scroll through the array
using while(list) and concatenate each new value to a string variable
but have been unsuccesfull so far.  I could some help with ideology
and/or code examples.

TIA,

Aaron


From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Sat May 24 00:07:28 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 00:07:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_POST
In-Reply-To: <200305240403.h4O42DaF052258@parsec.nyphp.org>; from agfische@email.smith.edu on Sat, May 24, 2003 at 12:02:13AM -0400
References: <200305240403.h4O42DaF052258@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030524000728.A7110@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

On 2003-05-24 00:02 -0400, Aaron Fischer <agfische at email.smith.edu> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Relative newbie with my first post.  
> 
> I want to take the values of $_POST that are coming from a form and
> convert them to a string.  I was attempting to scroll through the array
> using while(list) and concatenate each new value to a string variable
> but have been unsuccesfull so far.  I could some help with ideology
> and/or code examples.

You will probably be happier with something like:

foreach( $_POST as $key=>$value ) {
  $string .= $value . " ";
}

Also, if you disable globals (generally a good idea), $_POST won't
work anymore.  Replace with $HTTP_POST_VARS.

HTH.
-c

-- 
cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo

A five-year-old could understand this!  Fetch me a five-year-old!


From shiflett at php.net  Sat May 24 12:12:28 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 09:12:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_POST
In-Reply-To: <200305240408.h4O47TYt053520@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030524161228.36666.qmail@web14308.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu> wrote:
> Also, if you disable globals (generally a good idea), $_POST won't
> work anymore.  Replace with $HTTP_POST_VARS.

That's not quite right. $HTTP_POST_VARS and $_POST are the same thing. $_POST
was added in 4.1.0 to make it more convenient to use. What register_globals
does is register variables sent from the client into globals, so that you can
use $foo instead of $_POST['foo'] (or $HTTP_POST_VARS['foo'] if you use an
older version).

Chris


From webapprentice at onemain.com  Sat May 24 12:34:45 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Webapprentice)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 12:34:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_POST
In-Reply-To: <200305241613.h4OGCVXZ075261@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305241613.h4OGCVXZ075261@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ECF9F25.6060602@onemain.com>

Chris Shiflett wrote:
> --- "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu> wrote:
> 
>>Also, if you disable globals (generally a good idea), $_POST won't
>>work anymore.  Replace with $HTTP_POST_VARS.
> 
> 
> That's not quite right. $HTTP_POST_VARS and $_POST are the same thing. $_POST
> was added in 4.1.0 to make it more convenient to use. What register_globals
> does is register variables sent from the client into globals, so that you can
> use $foo instead of $_POST['foo'] (or $HTTP_POST_VARS['foo'] if you use an
> older version).
> 
> Chris

Unless you know what host environment you are going to be in, one may 
opt to use $HTTP_POST_VARS['foo'].  I've run into several hosts who have 
not upgraded the engine, so $_POST doesn't work.




From agfische at email.smith.edu  Sat May 24 15:23:46 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 15:23:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_POST
In-Reply-To: <200305240407.h4O47TT7053520@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3D41AFA2-8E1D-11D7-9F57-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

That does the trick!  Thanks for all feedback, it was very helpful.

Aaron

On Saturday, May 24, 2003, at 00:07 US/Eastern, Christopher R. Merlo 
wrote:

> On 2003-05-24 00:02 -0400, Aaron Fischer <agfische at email.smith.edu> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Relative newbie with my first post.
>>
>> I want to take the values of $_POST that are coming from a form and
>> convert them to a string.  I was attempting to scroll through the 
>> array
>> using while(list) and concatenate each new value to a string variable
>> but have been unsuccesfull so far.  I could some help with ideology
>> and/or code examples.
>
> You will probably be happier with something like:
>
> foreach( $_POST as $key=>$value ) {
>   $string .= $value . " ";
> }
>
> Also, if you disable globals (generally a good idea), $_POST won't
> work anymore.  Replace with $HTTP_POST_VARS.
>
> HTH.
> -c
>
> -- 
> cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        
> http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo
>
> A five-year-old could understand this!  Fetch me a five-year-old!
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Sat May 24 22:43:49 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:43:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_POST
In-Reply-To: <200305241631.h4OGUqXL076337@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030525024349.31287.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Webapprentice <webapprentice at onemain.com> wrote:
> Chris Shiflett wrote:
> > --- "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu> wrote:
> > 
> >>Also, if you disable globals (generally a good idea), $_POST won't
> >>work anymore.  Replace with $HTTP_POST_VARS.
> > 
> > 
> > That's not quite right. $HTTP_POST_VARS and $_POST are the same thing.
> $_POST
> > was added in 4.1.0 to make it more convenient to use. What
> register_globals
> > does is register variables sent from the client into globals, so that you
> can
> > use $foo instead of $_POST['foo'] (or $HTTP_POST_VARS['foo'] if you use
> an
> > older version).
> > 
> > Chris
> 
> Unless you know what host environment you are going to be in, one may 
> opt to use $HTTP_POST_VARS['foo'].  I've run into several hosts who have 
> not upgraded the engine, so $_POST doesn't work.

Unfortunately, this can be an issue.  However, I also try to make the code as
"forward thinking" as possible.

$_POST = &$HTTP_POST_VARS;

at some top level include, or under a conditional that checks for a php
version, can make migrations easier.  There are still of course global scope
issues, but it's better than nothing.  But, I feel it's important to use the
newer superglobals (which aren't even that new anymore).  And of course not
register_globals!  :)

H




From webapprentice at onemain.com  Sat May 24 22:57:53 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Webapprentice)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 22:57:53 -0400
Subject: Wow, I feel so stupid Re: [nycphp-talk] $_POST
In-Reply-To: <200305250244.h4P2hpXZ090709@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305250244.h4P2hpXZ090709@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ED03131.4050906@onemain.com>

>>Unless you know what host environment you are going to be in, one may 
>>opt to use $HTTP_POST_VARS['foo'].  I've run into several hosts who have 
>>not upgraded the engine, so $_POST doesn't work.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, this can be an issue.  However, I also try to make the code as
> "forward thinking" as possible.
> 
> $_POST = &$HTTP_POST_VARS;
> 
> at some top level include, or under a conditional that checks for a php
> version, can make migrations easier.  There are still of course global scope
> issues, but it's better than nothing.  But, I feel it's important to use the
> newer superglobals (which aren't even that new anymore).  And of course not
> register_globals!  :)

Holy smokes, I didn't realize that was possible.  Then again, I have not 
used references yet.

@_@



From hans at nyphp.org  Sun May 25 00:25:00 2003
From: hans at nyphp.org (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 21:25:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PHP Compatibility and Portability
Message-ID: <20030525042500.14404.qmail@web12803.mail.yahoo.com>


Good evening,

Has anyone heard of a system for checking the compatibility and portability
of PHP source?  For instance, given a block of source, it would say minimum
PHP version requirement, various options that need to be set, extensions that
would need to be enabled, etc.

It wouldn't be terribly hard to write, but I don't want to reinvent the
wheel.  I've seen the various PHP function tables, tokenizers, etc. but a
complete solution to parse and report on a PHP source set would be handy.

Thanks,

H



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Sun May 25 08:02:07 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 08:02:07 -0400
Subject: Wow, I feel so stupid Re: [nycphp-talk] $_POST
In-Reply-To: <200305250254.h4P2rwXr091579@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000f01c322b5$77af2da0$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

I was in your position - as a fresh newbie - almost 6 months ago. Now
I'm a "seasoned" newbie. ;)

Here's the list of references that have helped me:

1. "PHP/MySQL for Dummies" - yes...kinda basic but when you're a newbie
it'll get you up and running. It  has some of the elementary stuff
explained quite nicely. I installed Apache/PHP/MySQL on my Win2000
server using the CDROM provided with the book (installation was
painless) and that helped me get a little comfortable with these
applications before I made the jump to Linux.

2. "PHP Functions: Essential Reference" from New Riders Publications.
Has a gazillion PHP functions listed by "area," i.e., string-related
functions, MySQL related functions, and so on. Many of the entries have
little code snippets, cross-references to related functions, etc.

3. For MySQL, I use "MySQL" by Paul DuBois, the second edition.

For online stuff I've found the following to be helpful:

1. http://www.phpfreaks.com/tutorial_index.php
2. http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/index.phtml/fid/51/ 
3. http://www.developer.com/lang/php/
4. Of course, http://www.php.net/ and http://www.mysql.com 
5. This mail list.

Jeff 

-----Original Message-----
From: Webapprentice [mailto:webapprentice at onemain.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:54 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Wow, I feel so stupid Re: [nycphp-talk] $_POST


>>Unless you know what host environment you are going to be in, one may 
>>opt to use $HTTP_POST_VARS['foo'].  I've run into several hosts who
have 
>>not upgraded the engine, so $_POST doesn't work.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately, this can be an issue.  However, I also try to make the
code as
> "forward thinking" as possible.
> 
> $_POST = &$HTTP_POST_VARS;
> 
> at some top level include, or under a conditional that checks for a
php
> version, can make migrations easier.  There are still of course global
scope
> issues, but it's better than nothing.  But, I feel it's important to
use the
> newer superglobals (which aren't even that new anymore).  And of
course not
> register_globals!  :)

Holy smokes, I didn't realize that was possible.  Then again, I have not

used references yet.

@_@



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From jfreeman at amnh.org  Sun May 25 09:27:02 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (jfreeman at amnh.org)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 09:27:02 -0400
Subject: need some form help...
Message-ID: <1053869222.3ed0c4a6e2b4a@webmail.amnh.org>

Good morning everyone.  Thanks so much for all of your help so far.  I am 
learning a lot...  but.. I'm stuck again.

As you prolly know, I'm building a LAMP app. for some scientists who are doing 
a survey of 1000 wasps nests.

I have the form completed.  For all the parts of the form that involve drop-
down lists, I have working code that goes into a table and grabs the rows in 
the table to build the drop down list in the form.

Checkboxes and radio buttons are hard coded into the form ... I'd like to be 
able to have those be built dynamically as well, using rows from various 
tables in the database but I can't figure that one out yet...

Here's a code snippet of what I use to build the drop downs:

---------------snip--------------
<?php
    $query = mysql_query("select * FROM author");


echo "select name=\\"Array[author]\\">
    <option value=\\"\\">--select author--</option>\
;
while  ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
       print  "<option value=\\$row[0]\\">$row[1]</option>\
";
     }
print ("</select>");

--------------snip----------------

so.. this works in terms of building the drop down list.  I have no idea 
whether it will work with an insert statement so that, once I've built the 
entire POST array from the form, whatever value the surveyor chooses from the 
drop down list will be inserted in the right place in the database.


I'm COMPLETELY lost with regards to how to use the name=Array[blah-blah] 
construct when it comes to checkboxes and radio buttons...

what do I do with the 'value="somevalue"' part of the checkbox or radio 
button?  where does that go with regards to the Array[blah-blah] part?

Another point of confusion... one of the fields in the survey form 
is 'survey_date'.

I have field of type 'date' in my 'specimen' table... I'd like to have 
the 'survey_date' be handled automagically for the surveyor by PHP and MySQL.. 
any suggestions on how best to accomplish that?

There's more help that I need but this is a relatively digestible chunk..

Thanks folks!

J.




From nyphp at enobrev.com  Sun May 25 10:05:10 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:05:10 -0400
Subject: Query to Array and Array loop performance hit.
Message-ID: <000d01c322c6$ad964000$e1951d18@enobrev>

Good Morning and Happy Sunday New Yorkers (and good day to everyone
else)...
 
I'm currently working on a project with a designer, and I'm trying to do
my very best to keep my code as clean and out of his way as possible.
So basically I'm putting all my queries and all the good creamy filling
up on top, and then keeping all php code to a minimum on the bottom,
when he can rock the design.  I try to to this as much as possible as
is, but I always worry about performance (primary wrory based on this
question).
 
Clean code, check.  Queries and logic up top, check.  Output
formatting... gets a bit sticky.  The primary issue I have is
formatting.  For instance, to keep the code clean down below, I format
columns for the designer.  For instance, I format all date fields for
him, concat all vars for him (I know I can use mysql concat, but that
doesn't solve all var issues), and whatever other logic might be
necessary.  Since this is part of a outputted query loop, I can't quite
put all that logic up top.
 
So, to me, the obvious answer would be to loop through the returned
array (from the query) up top, format all the columns into a separate
array and then in the actaul doc, run a nice and neat foreach to loop
through the formatted array.  So my questions are:
 
How badly would that hurt page response time?
 
Is that just too much work for each page load?
 
Is there another viable solution (outside of templates - i've used them
and I tend to avoid them)?
 
Thanks, and have a great Sunday!!!
 
Mark Armendariz
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From webapprentice at onemain.com  Sun May 25 10:53:51 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Webapprentice)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:53:51 -0400
Subject: Wow, I feel so stupid Re: [nycphp-talk] $_POST
In-Reply-To: <200305251203.h4PC36Xb003539@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305251203.h4PC36Xb003539@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ED0D8FF.1030202@onemain.com>

Thanks for the bibliography.

I have books 2 and 3.

--Stephen

Jeff wrote:
> I was in your position - as a fresh newbie - almost 6 months ago. Now
> I'm a "seasoned" newbie. ;)
> 
> Here's the list of references that have helped me:
> 
> 1. "PHP/MySQL for Dummies" - yes...kinda basic but when you're a newbie
> it'll get you up and running. It  has some of the elementary stuff
> explained quite nicely. I installed Apache/PHP/MySQL on my Win2000
> server using the CDROM provided with the book (installation was
> painless) and that helped me get a little comfortable with these
> applications before I made the jump to Linux.
> 
> 2. "PHP Functions: Essential Reference" from New Riders Publications.
> Has a gazillion PHP functions listed by "area," i.e., string-related
> functions, MySQL related functions, and so on. Many of the entries have
> little code snippets, cross-references to related functions, etc.
> 
> 3. For MySQL, I use "MySQL" by Paul DuBois, the second edition.
> 
> For online stuff I've found the following to be helpful:
> 
> 1. http://www.phpfreaks.com/tutorial_index.php
> 2. http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/index.phtml/fid/51/ 
> 3. http://www.developer.com/lang/php/
> 4. Of course, http://www.php.net/ and http://www.mysql.com 
> 5. This mail list.
> 
> Jeff 




From melissa at inexact.info  Sun May 25 11:17:23 2003
From: melissa at inexact.info (Melissa)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 11:17:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
In-Reply-To: <200305251328.h4PDSGVF005630@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <JNEOLAPEIIHFPHHIIHEEKELNCDAA.melissa@inexact.info>

If you have a table of the options for your radio buttons, for example:

	id		option_value
	1		red
	2		blue
	3		yellow

Build a recordset selecting all the options (SELECT * FROM options), and
loop through the results, having php spit out the appropriate tags where
necessary:


  <?php do {

    echo "<label><input type=\\"radio\\" name=\\"selections\\" ";
	echo "value=\\" " . $row_RSOptions['id'] . "\\">" .
$row_RSOptions['option_value'] . "</label><br>";
    } while ($row_RSOptions = mysql_fetch_assoc($RSOptions)); ?>

Same thing for checkboxes - just replace the input type radio with the input
type checkbox.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: jfreeman at amnh.org [mailto:jfreeman at amnh.org]
> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 9:28 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
>
>
> Good morning everyone.  Thanks so much for all of your help so far.  I am
> learning a lot...  but.. I'm stuck again.
>
> As you prolly know, I'm building a LAMP app. for some scientists
> who are doing
> a survey of 1000 wasps nests.
>
> I have the form completed.  For all the parts of the form that
> involve drop-
> down lists, I have working code that goes into a table and grabs
> the rows in
> the table to build the drop down list in the form.
>
> Checkboxes and radio buttons are hard coded into the form ... I'd
> like to be
> able to have those be built dynamically as well, using rows from various
> tables in the database but I can't figure that one out yet...
>
> Here's a code snippet of what I use to build the drop downs:
>
> ---------------snip--------------
> <?php
>     $query = mysql_query("select * FROM author");
>
>
> echo "select name=\\"Array[author]\\">
>     <option value=\\"\\">--select author--</option>\
;
> while  ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
>        print  "<option value=\\$row[0]\\">$row[1]</option>\
";
>      }
> print ("</select>");
>
> --------------snip----------------
>
> so.. this works in terms of building the drop down list.  I have no idea
> whether it will work with an insert statement so that, once I've
> built the
> entire POST array from the form, whatever value the surveyor
> chooses from the
> drop down list will be inserted in the right place in the database.
>
>
> I'm COMPLETELY lost with regards to how to use the name=Array[blah-blah]
> construct when it comes to checkboxes and radio buttons...
>
> what do I do with the 'value="somevalue"' part of the checkbox or radio
> button?  where does that go with regards to the Array[blah-blah] part?
>
> Another point of confusion... one of the fields in the survey form
> is 'survey_date'.
>
> I have field of type 'date' in my 'specimen' table... I'd like to have
> the 'survey_date' be handled automagically for the surveyor by
> PHP and MySQL..
> any suggestions on how best to accomplish that?
>
> There's more help that I need but this is a relatively digestible chunk..
>
> Thanks folks!
>
> J.
>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From jsiegel1 at optonline.net  Sun May 25 12:27:20 2003
From: jsiegel1 at optonline.net (Jeff)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 12:27:20 -0400
Subject: Wow, I feel so stupid Re: [nycphp-talk] $_POST
In-Reply-To: <200305251451.h4PEnvXt008537@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000f01c322da$84166160$6501a8c0@EZDSDELL>

Some of the Wrox books are supposed to be good but I haven't personally
checked them out.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Webapprentice [mailto:webapprentice at onemain.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 9:50 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel so stupid Re: [nycphp-talk] $_POST


Thanks for the bibliography.

I have books 2 and 3.

--Stephen

Jeff wrote:
> I was in your position - as a fresh newbie - almost 6 months ago. Now
> I'm a "seasoned" newbie. ;)
> 
> Here's the list of references that have helped me:
> 
> 1. "PHP/MySQL for Dummies" - yes...kinda basic but when you're a
newbie
> it'll get you up and running. It  has some of the elementary stuff
> explained quite nicely. I installed Apache/PHP/MySQL on my Win2000
> server using the CDROM provided with the book (installation was
> painless) and that helped me get a little comfortable with these
> applications before I made the jump to Linux.
> 
> 2. "PHP Functions: Essential Reference" from New Riders Publications.
> Has a gazillion PHP functions listed by "area," i.e., string-related
> functions, MySQL related functions, and so on. Many of the entries
have
> little code snippets, cross-references to related functions, etc.
> 
> 3. For MySQL, I use "MySQL" by Paul DuBois, the second edition.
> 
> For online stuff I've found the following to be helpful:
> 
> 1. http://www.phpfreaks.com/tutorial_index.php
> 2. http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/index.phtml/fid/51/ 
> 3. http://www.developer.com/lang/php/
> 4. Of course, http://www.php.net/ and http://www.mysql.com 
> 5. This mail list.
> 
> Jeff 




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From rudy at taytek.com  Sun May 25 18:20:38 2003
From: rudy at taytek.com (Rudy Gamberini)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 18:20:38 -0400
Subject: CM Tool / Interface to PHP
Message-ID: <HPEDLHFCBCJOAJDODGKMOECFCBAA.rudy@taytek.com>

First a little background.  While I develop LAMP applications my paying job
is as a software process engineer.  I?m from the dark-side as some
developers like to refer to my role.  One of the major elements of a
well-defined development organization is a Process Asset Library (PAL).  A
PAL is a controlled repository of artifacts typically used in the software
development process.  While I won?t bore you with all the attributes
associated with each of the artifacts what is important is the fact that
these artifacts are controlled via a configuration managed (CM) tool.  The
artifacts range in type from Word documents to Excel spreadsheets to
Powerpoint presentations.   In today?s world we use CM tools like Visual
Source Safe or Clearcase from Rational.  While these tools do an adequate
job they don?t fit into the vision I have for a PAL.

What I want is a thin-client interface (browser based) that will allow the
user to get the latest copy of a document for use or Check it out, in the CM
sense, to update and Check it back in.  The Check-out and Check-in actions
need to be controlled as they typically are via a CM tool.  The artifact
attributes will be stored in a database (MySQL) while the documents will be
controlled in the CM tool.  The thin-client will allow the users to find the
artifacts via search criteria they will select via dropdown list boxes show
the various artifact attributes.

What I?m looking for is any information on interfacing to a CM tool, CM
tools,  or better yet a CM tool that readily connects to a browser via PHP.

While I develop everything on Linux/Apache for the  web-server, I could be
convinced to use IIS (the pain) if that is necessary.  Actually some clients
may need an IIS solution so that is not totally out of the picture.

Even giving me hint of where to start looking would be appreciated.



Thanks,

Rudy




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From: tech_learner at yahoo.com (Tracy)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 21:16:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compatibility and Portability
In-Reply-To: <200305250426.h4P4P2cD094520@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030526041615.67681.qmail@web14303.mail.yahoo.com>


there is one PHP gallery available for download. i am not able to recollect exactly where i saw it but i checks the php version and helps the user to set the proper GD library installation. if the version is not wot is expected, it gives the msg to the user. is this some thing close to wot u want?
 
Tracy

Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org> wrote:

Good evening,

Has anyone heard of a system for checking the compatibility and portability
of PHP source? For instance, given a block of source, it would say minimum
PHP version requirement, various options that need to be set, extensions that
would need to be enabled, etc.

It wouldn't be terribly hard to write, but I don't want to reinvent the
wheel. I've seen the various PHP function tables, tokenizers, etc. but a
complete solution to parse and report on a PHP source set would be handy.

Thanks,

H



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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 14:09:37 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:09:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
In-Reply-To: <200305251329.h4PDSGXN005630@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030526180937.23546.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com>


--- jfreeman at amnh.org wrote:
> Good morning everyone.  Thanks so much for all of your help so far.  I am 
> learning a lot...  but.. I'm stuck again.
> 
> As you prolly know, I'm building a LAMP app. for some scientists who are
> doing 
> a survey of 1000 wasps nests.
> 
> I have the form completed.  For all the parts of the form that involve
> drop-
> down lists, I have working code that goes into a table and grabs the rows
> in 
> the table to build the drop down list in the form.
> 
> Checkboxes and radio buttons are hard coded into the form ... I'd like to
> be 
> able to have those be built dynamically as well, using rows from various 
> tables in the database but I can't figure that one out yet...
> 
> Here's a code snippet of what I use to build the drop downs:
> 
> ---------------snip--------------
> <?php
>     $query = mysql_query("select * FROM author");
> 
> 
> echo "select name=\\"Array[author]\\">
>     <option value=\\"\\">--select author--</option>\
;
> while  ($row = mysql_fetch_row($query)) {
>        print  "<option value=\\$row[0]\\">$row[1]</option>\
";
>      }
> print ("</select>");
> 
> --------------snip----------------
> 
> so.. this works in terms of building the drop down list.  I have no idea 
> whether it will work with an insert statement so that, once I've built the 
> entire POST array from the form, whatever value the surveyor chooses from
> the 
> drop down list will be inserted in the right place in the database.

If I understand correctly, the answer is no.  You can never trust that a row
will be inserted into a database where you expect.  If you need things to be
returned in a consistently ordered manner, you'll need ORDER BY  (ie, ORDER
BY authorname per above).  If alphabetical sorting isn't what you need, you
have to maintain another column (preferably numeric) that you can sort
against.

> I'm COMPLETELY lost with regards to how to use the name=Array[blah-blah] 
> construct when it comes to checkboxes and radio buttons...
> 
> what do I do with the 'value="somevalue"' part of the checkbox or radio 
> button?  where does that go with regards to the Array[blah-blah] part?

<input type=checkbox name="thischeckbox[]" value="The First Value">
<input type=checkbox name="thischeckbox[]" value="The Second Value">

will be accessible in PHP as $_POST['thischeckbox'][0] and
$_POST['thischeckbox'][1], for instance.  Or you can set the array's element
name yourself:

<input type=checkbox name="thischeckbox[one]" value="The First V">
<input type=checkbox name="thischeckbox[two]" value="The Second V">

will end up akin to $_POST['thischeckbox']['one'] and so on in PHP.

> Another point of confusion... one of the fields in the survey form 
> is 'survey_date'.
> 
> I have field of type 'date' in my 'specimen' table... I'd like to have 
> the 'survey_date' be handled automagically for the surveyor by PHP and
> MySQL.. 
> any suggestions on how best to accomplish that?

I just wrote a pCom for this: http://pcoms.net/datetime

I use at some of my sites very successfully, however that particular pCom
isn't complete yet (and I'm working on the site as we speak), so it may not
help much.

H


> 
> There's more help that I need but this is a relatively digestible chunk..
> 
> Thanks folks!
> 
> J.
> 
> 
> 
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 14:12:29 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:12:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Query to Array and Array loop performance hit.
In-Reply-To: <200305251407.h4PE5hXN007086@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030526181229.96012.qmail@web12804.mail.yahoo.com>


Happy Monday!  :)

--- Mark Armendariz <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:
> Good Morning and Happy Sunday New Yorkers (and good day to everyone
> else)...
>  
> I'm currently working on a project with a designer, and I'm trying to do
> my very best to keep my code as clean and out of his way as possible.
> So basically I'm putting all my queries and all the good creamy filling
> up on top, and then keeping all php code to a minimum on the bottom,
> when he can rock the design.  I try to to this as much as possible as
> is, but I always worry about performance (primary wrory based on this
> question).
>  
> Clean code, check.  Queries and logic up top, check.  Output
> formatting... gets a bit sticky.  The primary issue I have is
> formatting.  For instance, to keep the code clean down below, I format
> columns for the designer.  For instance, I format all date fields for
> him, concat all vars for him (I know I can use mysql concat, but that
> doesn't solve all var issues), and whatever other logic might be
> necessary.  Since this is part of a outputted query loop, I can't quite
> put all that logic up top.
>  
> So, to me, the obvious answer would be to loop through the returned
> array (from the query) up top, format all the columns into a separate
> array and then in the actaul doc, run a nice and neat foreach to loop
> through the formatted array.  So my questions are:
>  
> How badly would that hurt page response time?
>  
> Is that just too much work for each page load?

This, to me atleast, is a common practice.  I like to do as much string
manipulation in MySQL as possible, but unless you have tons of data being
loaded, or very heavy traffic, you should have no problem eitherway. 
However, if either of these is an issue, you may want to look at some type of
cacheing.  

> Is there another viable solution (outside of templates - i've used them
> and I tend to avoid them)?

Templates wouldn't help here - the data still needs to get fetched and
managed.  Just write clean code, paying attention to performance tweaks where
possible.

H


> Thanks, and have a great Sunday!!!
>  
> Mark Armendariz
> 
> 
> 
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 14:21:41 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:21:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CM Tool / Interface to PHP
In-Reply-To: <200305252221.h4PMKMXN019257@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030526182141.30020.qmail@web12805.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Rudy Gamberini <rudy at taytek.com> wrote:
> First a little background.  While I develop LAMP applications my paying job
> is as a software process engineer.  I?m from the dark-side as some
> developers like to refer to my role.  One of the major elements of a
> well-defined development organization is a Process Asset Library (PAL).  A
> PAL is a controlled repository of artifacts typically used in the software
> development process.  While I won?t bore you with all the attributes
> associated with each of the artifacts what is important is the fact that
> these artifacts are controlled via a configuration managed (CM) tool.  The
> artifacts range in type from Word documents to Excel spreadsheets to
> Powerpoint presentations.   In today?s world we use CM tools like Visual
> Source Safe or Clearcase from Rational.  While these tools do an adequate
> job they don?t fit into the vision I have for a PAL.
> 
> What I want is a thin-client interface (browser based) that will allow the
> user to get the latest copy of a document for use or Check it out, in the
> CM
> sense, to update and Check it back in.  The Check-out and Check-in actions
> need to be controlled as they typically are via a CM tool.  The artifact
> attributes will be stored in a database (MySQL) while the documents will be
> controlled in the CM tool.  The thin-client will allow the users to find
> the
> artifacts via search criteria they will select via dropdown list boxes show
> the various artifact attributes.

There seems like the issues at hand are twofold: one, being a
content-management-system (or document managment) and two being source
management.

For the first issue, perhaps this would help:
http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/Cracking/

Also, a google for any of the terms, PHP, document management, project
management, etc. will return results.  A similar browse and search at
http://sf.net would be useful as well, and, at a minimum, there's always the
nuke family of products (http://postnuke.org and http://phpnuke.org).  I
would recommend, however, that you search a bit more, and find something
that's more in line.

> What I?m looking for is any information on interfacing to a CM tool, CM
> tools,  or better yet a CM tool that readily connects to a browser via PHP.

The defacto source code control system is CVS, http://cvshome.org.  There are
both graphical and client-side GUI interfaces available for it, most of which
are outlined at the aforementioned site or quickly retreivable via a google
search (http://cvs.php.net uses such a tool, which would be customizable, I
believe).

> While I develop everything on Linux/Apache for the  web-server, I could be
> convinced to use IIS (the pain) if that is necessary.  Actually some
> clients may need an IIS solution so that is not totally out of the picture.

Most everything in the PHP world will be written for Apache first, with other
server platforms support as an afterthought.  A word of caution for IIS,
however: it's a multithreaded environment, and while modern PHP versions
support it, many extensions and the libraries they implement do not.  If you
want rocksolid, go Apache 1.3.27 and mod_php - bulletproof.

H


> 
> Even giving me hint of where to start looking would be appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rudy
> 
> 
> 
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Mon May 26 14:23:42 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:23:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compatibility and Portability
In-Reply-To: <200305260417.h4Q4GIXN026513@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030526182342.25537.qmail@web12802.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Tracy <tech_learner at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> there is one PHP gallery available for download. i am not able to recollect
> exactly where i saw it but i checks the php version and helps the user to
> set the proper GD library installation. if the version is not wot is
> expected, it gives the msg to the user. is this some thing close to wot u
> want?

I think you might be speaking of http://gallery.sf.net.  It's functionality
is handy, but it depends on running in the environment that it checks, and
then reporting what it finds.  I'll need something that can report on
compatibility, etc. simply by looking at the source (lexical analysis).  So
far, nothing has jumped out at me, so the quest continues.

Thanks,

H


>  
> Tracy
> 
> Hans Zaunere <hans at nyphp.org> wrote:
> 
> Good evening,
> 
> Has anyone heard of a system for checking the compatibility and portability
> of PHP source? For instance, given a block of source, it would say minimum
> PHP version requirement, various options that need to be set, extensions
> that
> would need to be enabled, etc.
> 
> It wouldn't be terribly hard to write, but I don't want to reinvent the
> wheel. I've seen the various PHP function tables, tokenizers, etc. but a
> complete solution to parse and report on a PHP source set would be handy.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> H
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From chalu at egenius.com  Mon May 26 13:32:24 2003
From: chalu at egenius.com (Chalu Kim)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:32:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CM Tool / Interface to PHP
In-Reply-To: <200305261821.h4QILkSt046023@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305261316561.31556-100000@flatiron.egenius.com>


You sound like you are committed to checkins and checkouts. But you could
also look at it in the workflow.

For example, you create a content initially private. Once you submit to
published. Then, you can checkout and checkin. In turn, they can be viewed
as locked or unlocked(or available). You can also retract it.

You notice there is a state machine based states and transitions. For
example, you start with a state of "private". moving onto "submitted" with
transition of "submit", onto "published" or "into repository" via
"publish"...

I think you could benefit from workflow.

There are a number of efforts out there;

http://www.openflow.it/EN/index_html
http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/DCWorkflow_docs

The problem you are trying to tackle seems to require a framework. If you
are just interested in checkin and checkout, there is CVS modules for
Zope/Python.

On Mon, 26 May 2003, Hans Zaunere wrote:

>
> --- Rudy Gamberini <rudy at taytek.com> wrote:
> > First a little background.  While I develop LAMP applications my paying job
> > is as a software process engineer.  I?m from the dark-side as some
> > developers like to refer to my role.  One of the major elements of a
> > well-defined development organization is a Process Asset Library (PAL).  A
> > PAL is a controlled repository of artifacts typically used in the software
> > development process.  While I won?t bore you with all the attributes
> > associated with each of the artifacts what is important is the fact that
> > these artifacts are controlled via a configuration managed (CM) tool.  The
> > artifacts range in type from Word documents to Excel spreadsheets to
> > Powerpoint presentations.   In today?s world we use CM tools like Visual
> > Source Safe or Clearcase from Rational.  While these tools do an adequate
> > job they don?t fit into the vision I have for a PAL.
> >
> > What I want is a thin-client interface (browser based) that will allow the
> > user to get the latest copy of a document for use or Check it out, in the
> > CM
> > sense, to update and Check it back in.  The Check-out and Check-in actions
> > need to be controlled as they typically are via a CM tool.  The artifact
> > attributes will be stored in a database (MySQL) while the documents will be
> > controlled in the CM tool.  The thin-client will allow the users to find
> > the
> > artifacts via search criteria they will select via dropdown list boxes show
> > the various artifact attributes.
>
> There seems like the issues at hand are twofold: one, being a
> content-management-system (or document managment) and two being source
> management.
>
> For the first issue, perhaps this would help:
> http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/Cracking/
>
> Also, a google for any of the terms, PHP, document management, project
> management, etc. will return results.  A similar browse and search at
> http://sf.net would be useful as well, and, at a minimum, there's always the
> nuke family of products (http://postnuke.org and http://phpnuke.org).  I
> would recommend, however, that you search a bit more, and find something
> that's more in line.
>
> > What I?m looking for is any information on interfacing to a CM tool, CM
> > tools,  or better yet a CM tool that readily connects to a browser via PHP.
>
> The defacto source code control system is CVS, http://cvshome.org.  There are
> both graphical and client-side GUI interfaces available for it, most of which
> are outlined at the aforementioned site or quickly retreivable via a google
> search (http://cvs.php.net uses such a tool, which would be customizable, I
> believe).
>
> > While I develop everything on Linux/Apache for the  web-server, I could be
> > convinced to use IIS (the pain) if that is necessary.  Actually some
> > clients may need an IIS solution so that is not totally out of the picture.
>
> Most everything in the PHP world will be written for Apache first, with other
> server platforms support as an afterthought.  A word of caution for IIS,
> however: it's a multithreaded environment, and while modern PHP versions
> support it, many extensions and the libraries they implement do not.  If you
> want rocksolid, go Apache 1.3.27 and mod_php - bulletproof.
>
> H
>
>
> >
> > Even giving me hint of where to start looking would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rudy
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From chalu at egenius.com  Mon May 26 13:37:13 2003
From: chalu at egenius.com (Chalu Kim)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:37:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Open-Source Content Management Conference.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305261333100.31556-100000@flatiron.egenius.com>


http://www.oscom.org/

The Third Open Source Content Management Conference will take place at
Harvard Law School Berkman Center for Internet and Society, Cambridge, MA.
The registration desk is located at Harvard Law School's Austin Hall Main
Lobby and is open daily throughout the conference from 8:15 AM to 5 PM.
Details on rooms for each session will be added later. The program is
subject to minor changes. All speakers listed here have confirmed
participation.



From rudy at taytek.com  Mon May 26 15:13:24 2003
From: rudy at taytek.com (Rudy Gamberini)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:13:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CM Tool / Interface to PHP
In-Reply-To: <200305261843.h4QIgnZj047900@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <HPEDLHFCBCJOAJDODGKMAECMCBAA.rudy@taytek.com>

Hi Chalu,

Actually I am a strong support of workflow and have created and published a
graphical model for capturing the development process workflow (process
cartography).  I'm not committed to checkins and checkouts but simply used
that as a point of reference.  I agree with your analysis and use of a state
machine to control the flow.  There is a great workflow tool called
Teamshare that already supports an interface to several CM tools.  It does
lack the database attributing of the artifacts with the ability to perform
queries.  But your point is well made and I will follow-up on the site you
suggested.

Thanks,
Rudy


-----Original Message-----
From: Chalu Kim [mailto:chalu at egenius.com]
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 2:43 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] CM Tool / Interface to PHP



You sound like you are committed to checkins and checkouts. But you could
also look at it in the workflow.

For example, you create a content initially private. Once you submit to
published. Then, you can checkout and checkin. In turn, they can be viewed
as locked or unlocked(or available). You can also retract it.

You notice there is a state machine based states and transitions. For
example, you start with a state of "private". moving onto "submitted" with
transition of "submit", onto "published" or "into repository" via
"publish"...

I think you could benefit from workflow.

There are a number of efforts out there;

http://www.openflow.it/EN/index_html
http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/DCWorkflow_docs

The problem you are trying to tackle seems to require a framework. If you
are just interested in checkin and checkout, there is CVS modules for
Zope/Python.

On Mon, 26 May 2003, Hans Zaunere wrote:

>
> --- Rudy Gamberini <rudy at taytek.com> wrote:
> > First a little background.  While I develop LAMP applications my paying
job
> > is as a software process engineer.  I?m from the dark-side as some
> > developers like to refer to my role.  One of the major elements of a
> > well-defined development organization is a Process Asset Library (PAL).
A
> > PAL is a controlled repository of artifacts typically used in the
software
> > development process.  While I won?t bore you with all the attributes
> > associated with each of the artifacts what is important is the fact that
> > these artifacts are controlled via a configuration managed (CM) tool.
The
> > artifacts range in type from Word documents to Excel spreadsheets to
> > Powerpoint presentations.   In today?s world we use CM tools like Visual
> > Source Safe or Clearcase from Rational.  While these tools do an
adequate
> > job they don?t fit into the vision I have for a PAL.
> >
> > What I want is a thin-client interface (browser based) that will allow
the
> > user to get the latest copy of a document for use or Check it out, in
the
> > CM
> > sense, to update and Check it back in.  The Check-out and Check-in
actions
> > need to be controlled as they typically are via a CM tool.  The artifact
> > attributes will be stored in a database (MySQL) while the documents will
be
> > controlled in the CM tool.  The thin-client will allow the users to find
> > the
> > artifacts via search criteria they will select via dropdown list boxes
show
> > the various artifact attributes.
>
> There seems like the issues at hand are twofold: one, being a
> content-management-system (or document managment) and two being source
> management.
>
> For the first issue, perhaps this would help:
> http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/Cracking/
>
> Also, a google for any of the terms, PHP, document management, project
> management, etc. will return results.  A similar browse and search at
> http://sf.net would be useful as well, and, at a minimum, there's always
the
> nuke family of products (http://postnuke.org and http://phpnuke.org).  I
> would recommend, however, that you search a bit more, and find something
> that's more in line.
>
> > What I?m looking for is any information on interfacing to a CM tool, CM
> > tools,  or better yet a CM tool that readily connects to a browser via
PHP.
>
> The defacto source code control system is CVS, http://cvshome.org.  There
are
> both graphical and client-side GUI interfaces available for it, most of
which
> are outlined at the aforementioned site or quickly retreivable via a
google
> search (http://cvs.php.net uses such a tool, which would be customizable,
I
> believe).
>
> > While I develop everything on Linux/Apache for the  web-server, I could
be
> > convinced to use IIS (the pain) if that is necessary.  Actually some
> > clients may need an IIS solution so that is not totally out of the
picture.
>
> Most everything in the PHP world will be written for Apache first, with
other
> server platforms support as an afterthought.  A word of caution for IIS,
> however: it's a multithreaded environment, and while modern PHP versions
> support it, many extensions and the libraries they implement do not.  If
you
> want rocksolid, go Apache 1.3.27 and mod_php - bulletproof.
>
> H
>
>
> >
> > Even giving me hint of where to start looking would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rudy
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From nyphp at enobrev.com  Mon May 26 15:40:55 2003
From: nyphp at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:40:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Query to Array and Array loop performance hit.
In-Reply-To: <200305261812.h4QICWTD045106@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <010801c323be$b9b48600$e1951d18@enobrev>

You're the man, Hans.  Thank You.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:zaunere at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 2:13 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Query to Array and Array loop performance hit.



Happy Monday!  :)

--- Mark Armendariz <nyphp at enobrev.com> wrote:
> Good Morning and Happy Sunday New Yorkers (and good day to everyone 
> else)...
>  
> I'm currently working on a project with a designer, and I'm trying to 
> do my very best to keep my code as clean and out of his way as 
> possible. So basically I'm putting all my queries and all the good 
> creamy filling up on top, and then keeping all php code to a minimum 
> on the bottom, when he can rock the design.  I try to to this as much 
> as possible as is, but I always worry about performance (primary wrory

> based on this question).
>  
> Clean code, check.  Queries and logic up top, check.  Output 
> formatting... gets a bit sticky.  The primary issue I have is 
> formatting.  For instance, to keep the code clean down below, I format

> columns for the designer.  For instance, I format all date fields for 
> him, concat all vars for him (I know I can use mysql concat, but that 
> doesn't solve all var issues), and whatever other logic might be 
> necessary.  Since this is part of a outputted query loop, I can't 
> quite put all that logic up top.
>  
> So, to me, the obvious answer would be to loop through the returned 
> array (from the query) up top, format all the columns into a separate 
> array and then in the actaul doc, run a nice and neat foreach to loop 
> through the formatted array.  So my questions are:
>  
> How badly would that hurt page response time?
>  
> Is that just too much work for each page load?

This, to me atleast, is a common practice.  I like to do as much string
manipulation in MySQL as possible, but unless you have tons of data
being loaded, or very heavy traffic, you should have no problem
eitherway. 
However, if either of these is an issue, you may want to look at some
type of cacheing.  

> Is there another viable solution (outside of templates - i've used 
> them and I tend to avoid them)?

Templates wouldn't help here - the data still needs to get fetched and
managed.  Just write clean code, paying attention to performance tweaks
where possible.

H


> Thanks, and have a great Sunday!!!
>  
> Mark Armendariz
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Tue May 27 04:36:33 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 04:36:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CM Tool / Interface to PHP
In-Reply-To: <200305261913.h4QJD7T5050137@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000401c3242b$1452f300$0d01a8c0@OBERON1>

You might find the Aegis project at Source Forge interesting.
Here is a link 'http://aegis.sourceforge.net'.

It is primarily document (or source code) control -- but has a project
management-like feature, which the author refers to as change states.
e.g 'passed unit testing' 'integrated system test under review' and so on
There are a bevy of reports and it supports 'variant' (or branch) lines of 
Development.

Hope this helps --
T. Gales

-----Original Message-----
From: Rudy Gamberini [mailto:rudy at taytek.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 3:13 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] CM Tool / Interface to PHP

Hi Chalu,

Actually I am a strong support of workflow and have created and published a
graphical model for capturing the development process workflow (process
cartography).  I'm not committed to checkins and checkouts but simply used
that as a point of reference.  I agree with your analysis and use of a state
machine to control the flow.  There is a great workflow tool called
Teamshare that already supports an interface to several CM tools.  It does
lack the database attributing of the artifacts with the ability to perform
queries.  But your point is well made and I will follow-up on the site you
suggested.

Thanks,
Rudy


-----Original Message-----
From: Chalu Kim [mailto:chalu at egenius.com]
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 2:43 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] CM Tool / Interface to PHP



You sound like you are committed to checkins and checkouts. But you could
also look at it in the workflow.

For example, you create a content initially private. Once you submit to
published. Then, you can checkout and checkin. In turn, they can be viewed
as locked or unlocked(or available). You can also retract it.

You notice there is a state machine based states and transitions. For
example, you start with a state of "private". moving onto "submitted" with
transition of "submit", onto "published" or "into repository" via
"publish"...

I think you could benefit from workflow.

There are a number of efforts out there;

http://www.openflow.it/EN/index_html
http://www.zope.org/Members/hathawsh/DCWorkflow_docs

The problem you are trying to tackle seems to require a framework. If you
are just interested in checkin and checkout, there is CVS modules for
Zope/Python.

On Mon, 26 May 2003, Hans Zaunere wrote:

>
> --- Rudy Gamberini <rudy at taytek.com> wrote:
> > First a little background.  While I develop LAMP applications my paying
job
> > is as a software process engineer.  I?m from the dark-side as some
> > developers like to refer to my role.  One of the major elements of a
> > well-defined development organization is a Process Asset Library (PAL).
A
> > PAL is a controlled repository of artifacts typically used in the
software
> > development process.  While I won?t bore you with all the attributes
> > associated with each of the artifacts what is important is the fact that
> > these artifacts are controlled via a configuration managed (CM) tool.
The
> > artifacts range in type from Word documents to Excel spreadsheets to
> > Powerpoint presentations.   In today?s world we use CM tools like Visual
> > Source Safe or Clearcase from Rational.  While these tools do an
adequate
> > job they don?t fit into the vision I have for a PAL.
> >
> > What I want is a thin-client interface (browser based) that will allow
the
> > user to get the latest copy of a document for use or Check it out, in
the
> > CM
> > sense, to update and Check it back in.  The Check-out and Check-in
actions
> > need to be controlled as they typically are via a CM tool.  The artifact
> > attributes will be stored in a database (MySQL) while the documents will
be
> > controlled in the CM tool.  The thin-client will allow the users to find
> > the
> > artifacts via search criteria they will select via dropdown list boxes
show
> > the various artifact attributes.
>
> There seems like the issues at hand are twofold: one, being a
> content-management-system (or document managment) and two being source
> management.
>
> For the first issue, perhaps this would help:
> http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/Cracking/
>
> Also, a google for any of the terms, PHP, document management, project
> management, etc. will return results.  A similar browse and search at
> http://sf.net would be useful as well, and, at a minimum, there's always
the
> nuke family of products (http://postnuke.org and http://phpnuke.org).  I
> would recommend, however, that you search a bit more, and find something
> that's more in line.
>
> > What I?m looking for is any information on interfacing to a CM tool, CM
> > tools,  or better yet a CM tool that readily connects to a browser via
PHP.
>
> The defacto source code control system is CVS, http://cvshome.org.  There
are
> both graphical and client-side GUI interfaces available for it, most of
which
> are outlined at the aforementioned site or quickly retreivable via a
google
> search (http://cvs.php.net uses such a tool, which would be customizable,
I
> believe).
>
> > While I develop everything on Linux/Apache for the  web-server, I could
be
> > convinced to use IIS (the pain) if that is necessary.  Actually some
> > clients may need an IIS solution so that is not totally out of the
picture.
>
> Most everything in the PHP world will be written for Apache first, with
other
> server platforms support as an afterthought.  A word of caution for IIS,
> however: it's a multithreaded environment, and while modern PHP versions
> support it, many extensions and the libraries they implement do not.  If
you
> want rocksolid, go Apache 1.3.27 and mod_php - bulletproof.
>
> H
>
>
> >
> > Even giving me hint of where to start looking would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rudy
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From agfische at email.smith.edu  Tue May 27 08:20:50 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:20:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
In-Reply-To: <200305261810.h4QI9fT7044310@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <A78CE936-903D-11D7-A9A9-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

For date, In your php script that handles the form, you can do 
something like:

$date = date("Y-m-d");

Then you can insert $date along with your other form variables into the 
mysql table.

Aaron


>
>> Another point of confusion... one of the fields in the survey form
>> is 'survey_date'.
>>
>> I have field of type 'date' in my 'specimen' table... I'd like to have
>> the 'survey_date' be handled automagically for the surveyor by PHP and
>> MySQL..
>> any suggestions on how best to accomplish that?



From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Tue May 27 08:54:13 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 08:54:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compatibility and Portability
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2DE2@USA1370MS1>

Why don't you use this for the competition?

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:hans at nyphp.org]
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 12:25 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compatibility and Portability



Good evening,

Has anyone heard of a system for checking the compatibility and portability
of PHP source?  For instance, given a block of source, it would say minimum
PHP version requirement, various options that need to be set, extensions
that
would need to be enabled, etc.

It wouldn't be terribly hard to write, but I don't want to reinvent the
wheel.  I've seen the various PHP function tables, tokenizers, etc. but a
complete solution to parse and report on a PHP source set would be handy.

Thanks,

H



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From nyphp at websapp.com  Tue May 27 09:01:57 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:01:57 -0400
Subject: Dream Lab - Technology - PHP
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPMEFJEJAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

This question comes up all the time: Who is using PHP?
Dreamlab.ca have compiled a nice list at
http://www.dreamlab.ca/technology/php.php#corporations


Best,
Daniel Kushner
Vice President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org/
daniel at nyphp.org




From jfreeman at amnh.org  Tue May 27 09:06:04 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:06:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
In-Reply-To: <200305271220.h4RCKtQv072397@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAF8DAFC.C076%jfreeman@amnh.org>

Hi Aaron,

So... if, in my form, I want both the date to both be part of my form input
as well as displayed on the page when the page is loaded, how do I write
that code?


Say I have a webpage 'waspsurvey.php3' that contains my form.

When a surveyor loads that page in his/her browser, the form is displayed
for the surveyor to fill out.

At a point on the form, there is the parameter 'Date:'  so, I'd want
' $date = date("Y-m-d");
  print "$date";'
in waspsurvey.php3 so that the date will print in the page.. but.. what do I
do to capture "$date" so that it becomes part of my form input?  <input
type="hidden" name="date" value="$date"> ?

J.


the On 5/27/03 8:20 AM, "Aaron Fischer" <agfische at email.smith.edu> wrote:

> For date, In your php script that handles the form, you can do
> something like:
> 
> $date = date("Y-m-d");
> 
> Then you can insert $date along with your other form variables into the
> mysql table.
> 
> Aaron
> 
> 
>> 
>>> Another point of confusion... one of the fields in the survey form
>>> is 'survey_date'.
>>> 
>>> I have field of type 'date' in my 'specimen' table... I'd like to have
>>> the 'survey_date' be handled automagically for the surveyor by PHP and
>>> MySQL..
>>> any suggestions on how best to accomplish that?
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 



From agfische at email.smith.edu  Tue May 27 09:38:37 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:38:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
In-Reply-To: <200305271306.h4RD5vT7076069@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <84F822B5-9048-11D7-A9A9-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

Hey Josh,

It would depend on how you have your form page and php processing set 
up.  How do you have your logic set up?  Do you have the form as one 
page and the php processing as a separate file, or are they both in the 
same file?

Aaron


On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 09:05 US/Eastern, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:

> Hi Aaron,
>
> So... if, in my form, I want both the date to both be part of my form 
> input
> as well as displayed on the page when the page is loaded, how do I 
> write
> that code?
>
>
> Say I have a webpage 'waspsurvey.php3' that contains my form.
>
> When a surveyor loads that page in his/her browser, the form is 
> displayed
> for the surveyor to fill out.
>
> At a point on the form, there is the parameter 'Date:'  so, I'd want
> ' $date = date("Y-m-d");
>   print "$date";'
> in waspsurvey.php3 so that the date will print in the page.. but.. 
> what do I
> do to capture "$date" so that it becomes part of my form input?  <input
> type="hidden" name="date" value="$date"> ?
>
> J.
>
>
> the On 5/27/03 8:20 AM, "Aaron Fischer" <agfische at email.smith.edu> 
> wrote:
>
>> For date, In your php script that handles the form, you can do
>> something like:
>>
>> $date = date("Y-m-d");
>>
>> Then you can insert $date along with your other form variables into 
>> the
>> mysql table.
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Another point of confusion... one of the fields in the survey form
>>>> is 'survey_date'.
>>>>
>>>> I have field of type 'date' in my 'specimen' table... I'd like to 
>>>> have
>>>> the 'survey_date' be handled automagically for the surveyor by PHP 
>>>> and
>>>> MySQL..
>>>> any suggestions on how best to accomplish that?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From jfreeman at amnh.org  Tue May 27 11:07:10 2003
From: jfreeman at amnh.org (Joshua S. Freeman)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:07:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
In-Reply-To: <200305271338.h4RDceQv077419@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <BAF8F75E.C07D%jfreeman@amnh.org>

right now everything is in the same file...

J.

On 5/27/03 9:38 AM, "Aaron Fischer" <agfische at email.smith.edu> wrote:

> Hey Josh,
> 
> It would depend on how you have your form page and php processing set
> up.  How do you have your logic set up?  Do you have the form as one
> page and the php processing as a separate file, or are they both in the
> same file?
> 
> Aaron
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 09:05 US/Eastern, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:
> 
>> Hi Aaron,
>> 
>> So... if, in my form, I want both the date to both be part of my form
>> input
>> as well as displayed on the page when the page is loaded, how do I
>> write
>> that code?
>> 
>> 
>> Say I have a webpage 'waspsurvey.php3' that contains my form.
>> 
>> When a surveyor loads that page in his/her browser, the form is
>> displayed
>> for the surveyor to fill out.
>> 
>> At a point on the form, there is the parameter 'Date:'  so, I'd want
>> ' $date = date("Y-m-d");
>>   print "$date";'
>> in waspsurvey.php3 so that the date will print in the page.. but..
>> what do I
>> do to capture "$date" so that it becomes part of my form input?  <input
>> type="hidden" name="date" value="$date"> ?
>> 
>> J.
>> 
>> 
>> the On 5/27/03 8:20 AM, "Aaron Fischer" <agfische at email.smith.edu>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> For date, In your php script that handles the form, you can do
>>> something like:
>>> 
>>> $date = date("Y-m-d");
>>> 
>>> Then you can insert $date along with your other form variables into
>>> the
>>> mysql table.
>>> 
>>> Aaron
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Another point of confusion... one of the fields in the survey form
>>>>> is 'survey_date'.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have field of type 'date' in my 'specimen' table... I'd like to
>>>>> have
>>>>> the 'survey_date' be handled automagically for the surveyor by PHP
>>>>> and
>>>>> MySQL..
>>>>> any suggestions on how best to accomplish that?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 
> 



From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May 27 10:37:04 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 07:37:04 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_POST
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D68@pcsnet>

> I want to take the values of $_POST that are coming from a form and
> convert them to a string.  I was attempting to scroll through 
> the array

i like        $newvar =  join(' ',$_POST);
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From agfische at email.smith.edu  Tue May 27 12:22:32 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:22:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
In-Reply-To: <200305271507.h4RF75T7080262@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <6B60C36D-905F-11D7-A9A9-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

One way of making it easier is to not have any mention of date in the 
form.  You are working behind the scenes with php to input the current 
date into mysql, so you don't have to ask the user anything pertaining 
to date.  This is nice because it is one less thing you are asking the 
user to do.

In your php processing, set $date = date("Y-m-d");  Then you can use 
$date along with your other form values that are posted and insert them 
into the database.

HTH,

Aaron

On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 11:07 US/Eastern, Joshua S. Freeman wrote:

> right now everything is in the same file...
>
> J.
>
> On 5/27/03 9:38 AM, "Aaron Fischer" <agfische at email.smith.edu> wrote:
>
>> Hey Josh,
>>
>> It would depend on how you have your form page and php processing set
>> up.  How do you have your logic set up?  Do you have the form as one
>> page and the php processing as a separate file, or are they both in 
>> the
>> same file?
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 09:05 US/Eastern, Joshua S. Freeman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Aaron,
>>>
>>> So... if, in my form, I want both the date to both be part of my form
>>> input
>>> as well as displayed on the page when the page is loaded, how do I
>>> write
>>> that code?
>>>
>>>
>>> Say I have a webpage 'waspsurvey.php3' that contains my form.
>>>
>>> When a surveyor loads that page in his/her browser, the form is
>>> displayed
>>> for the surveyor to fill out.
>>>
>>> At a point on the form, there is the parameter 'Date:'  so, I'd want
>>> ' $date = date("Y-m-d");
>>>   print "$date";'
>>> in waspsurvey.php3 so that the date will print in the page.. but..
>>> what do I
>>> do to capture "$date" so that it becomes part of my form input?  
>>> <input
>>> type="hidden" name="date" value="$date"> ?
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>>
>>> the On 5/27/03 8:20 AM, "Aaron Fischer" <agfische at email.smith.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> For date, In your php script that handles the form, you can do
>>>> something like:
>>>>
>>>> $date = date("Y-m-d");
>>>>
>>>> Then you can insert $date along with your other form variables into
>>>> the
>>>> mysql table.
>>>>
>>>> Aaron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Another point of confusion... one of the fields in the survey form
>>>>>> is 'survey_date'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have field of type 'date' in my 'specimen' table... I'd like to
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> the 'survey_date' be handled automagically for the surveyor by PHP
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> MySQL..
>>>>>> any suggestions on how best to accomplish that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
>



From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May 27 12:29:19 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:29:19 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D6F@pcsnet>

there is an even easier way...

if you want the current time in your mysql database just use the mysql
function NOW() in your insert statement (this works for date, datetime
types) that way you can let the db do the messy date work. I only mess
around with dates outside a db when absolutely necessary ( and this is rare
since mysql has things like date arithmetic)

ex. insert into mytable (datefield, name) values(NOW(), "$username")

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 May, 2003 9:23 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
> 
> 
> One way of making it easier is to not have any mention of date in the 
> form.  You are working behind the scenes with php to input 
> the current 
> date into mysql, so you don't have to ask the user anything 
> pertaining 
> to date.  This is nice because it is one less thing you are 
> asking the 
> user to do.
> 
> In your php processing, set $date = date("Y-m-d");  Then you can use 
> $date along with your other form values that are posted and 
> insert them 
> into the database.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Aaron
> 
> On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 11:07 US/Eastern, Joshua S. 
> Freeman wrote:
> 
> > right now everything is in the same file...
> >
> > J.
> >
> > On 5/27/03 9:38 AM, "Aaron Fischer" 
> <agfische at email.smith.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Josh,
> >>
> >> It would depend on how you have your form page and php 
> processing set
> >> up.  How do you have your logic set up?  Do you have the 
> form as one
> >> page and the php processing as a separate file, or are 
> they both in 
> >> the
> >> same file?
> >>
> >> Aaron
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 09:05 US/Eastern, Joshua S. Freeman 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Aaron,
> >>>
> >>> So... if, in my form, I want both the date to both be 
> part of my form
> >>> input
> >>> as well as displayed on the page when the page is loaded, how do I
> >>> write
> >>> that code?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Say I have a webpage 'waspsurvey.php3' that contains my form.
> >>>
> >>> When a surveyor loads that page in his/her browser, the form is
> >>> displayed
> >>> for the surveyor to fill out.
> >>>
> >>> At a point on the form, there is the parameter 'Date:'  
> so, I'd want
> >>> ' $date = date("Y-m-d");
> >>>   print "$date";'
> >>> in waspsurvey.php3 so that the date will print in the page.. but..
> >>> what do I
> >>> do to capture "$date" so that it becomes part of my form input?  
> >>> <input
> >>> type="hidden" name="date" value="$date"> ?
> >>>
> >>> J.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> the On 5/27/03 8:20 AM, "Aaron Fischer" <agfische at email.smith.edu>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> For date, In your php script that handles the form, you can do
> >>>> something like:
> >>>>
> >>>> $date = date("Y-m-d");
> >>>>
> >>>> Then you can insert $date along with your other form 
> variables into
> >>>> the
> >>>> mysql table.
> >>>>
> >>>> Aaron
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Another point of confusion... one of the fields in the 
> survey form
> >>>>>> is 'survey_date'.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have field of type 'date' in my 'specimen' table... 
> I'd like to
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>> the 'survey_date' be handled automagically for the 
> surveyor by PHP
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>> MySQL..
> >>>>>> any suggestions on how best to accomplish that?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> 
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From lists at ny-tech.net  Tue May 27 12:37:46 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:37:46 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: mySQL optimization question.
References: <200305271629.h4RGTPX1084118@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ED3945A.000003.00760@MAIN>

I was wondering if I have following two pieces of codes. Which one is better
and why.
 
1:
 
$result = mysql_query("SELECT col_name FROM table_name");
$count = mysql_num_rows($result);
 
 
2: 
 
$result = mysql_query("SELECT count(*) FROM table_name");
list($count) = mysql_fetch_row($result);
 
I always though COUNT(*) was better than getting the rows and counting them
via PHP. I need to explain it to someone as to why or why not count(*) is
better than the other method.
 
Any comments?
 
- Nasir



From David.SextonJr at ubspw.com  Tue May 27 12:41:57 2003
From: David.SextonJr at ubspw.com (Sexton, David)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:41:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
Message-ID: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789E35@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>

I would say count() does not pull the data back with it, which makes it
significantly faster when returning a large result set.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nasir Zubair [mailto:lists at ny-tech.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:38 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.


I was wondering if I have following two pieces of codes. Which one is better
and why.
 
1:
 
$result = mysql_query("SELECT col_name FROM table_name");
$count = mysql_num_rows($result);
 
 
2: 
 
$result = mysql_query("SELECT count(*) FROM table_name");
list($count) = mysql_fetch_row($result);
 
I always though COUNT(*) was better than getting the rows and counting them
via PHP. I need to explain it to someone as to why or why not count(*) is
better than the other method.
 
Any comments?
 
- Nasir



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From agfische at email.smith.edu  Tue May 27 12:46:55 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:46:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
In-Reply-To: <200305271629.h4RGTPT7084118@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <D2F973B2-9062-11D7-A9A9-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

Gary,

 From mysql site it looks like now() creates date and timestamp?  If you 
are inserting to a date field, will it insert date and time, or just 
date?

Aaron

On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 12:29 US/Eastern, Malcolm, Gary wrote:

> there is an even easier way...
>
> if you want the current time in your mysql database just use the mysql
> function NOW() in your insert statement (this works for date, datetime
> types) that way you can let the db do the messy date work. I only mess
> around with dates outside a db when absolutely necessary ( and this is 
> rare
> since mysql has things like date arithmetic)
>
> ex. insert into mytable (datefield, name) values(NOW(), "$username")
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
>> Sent: Tuesday, 27 May, 2003 9:23 AM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
>>
>>
>> One way of making it easier is to not have any mention of date in the
>> form.  You are working behind the scenes with php to input
>> the current
>> date into mysql, so you don't have to ask the user anything
>> pertaining
>> to date.  This is nice because it is one less thing you are
>> asking the
>> user to do.
>>
>> In your php processing, set $date = date("Y-m-d");  Then you can use
>> $date along with your other form values that are posted and
>> insert them
>> into the database.
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 11:07 US/Eastern, Joshua S.
>> Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> right now everything is in the same file...
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>> On 5/27/03 9:38 AM, "Aaron Fischer"
>> <agfische at email.smith.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Josh,
>>>>
>>>> It would depend on how you have your form page and php
>> processing set
>>>> up.  How do you have your logic set up?  Do you have the
>> form as one
>>>> page and the php processing as a separate file, or are
>> they both in
>>>> the
>>>> same file?
>>>>
>>>> Aaron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 09:05 US/Eastern, Joshua S. Freeman
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Aaron,
>>>>>
>>>>> So... if, in my form, I want both the date to both be
>> part of my form
>>>>> input
>>>>> as well as displayed on the page when the page is loaded, how do I
>>>>> write
>>>>> that code?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Say I have a webpage 'waspsurvey.php3' that contains my form.
>>>>>
>>>>> When a surveyor loads that page in his/her browser, the form is
>>>>> displayed
>>>>> for the surveyor to fill out.
>>>>>
>>>>> At a point on the form, there is the parameter 'Date:'
>> so, I'd want
>>>>> ' $date = date("Y-m-d");
>>>>>   print "$date";'
>>>>> in waspsurvey.php3 so that the date will print in the page.. but..
>>>>> what do I
>>>>> do to capture "$date" so that it becomes part of my form input?
>>>>> <input
>>>>> type="hidden" name="date" value="$date"> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> J.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> the On 5/27/03 8:20 AM, "Aaron Fischer" <agfische at email.smith.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For date, In your php script that handles the form, you can do
>>>>>> something like:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $date = date("Y-m-d");
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you can insert $date along with your other form
>> variables into
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> mysql table.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aaron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another point of confusion... one of the fields in the
>> survey form
>>>>>>>> is 'survey_date'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have field of type 'date' in my 'specimen' table...
>> I'd like to
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> the 'survey_date' be handled automagically for the
>> surveyor by PHP
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> MySQL..
>>>>>>>> any suggestions on how best to accomplish that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May 27 12:49:25 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:49:25 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D70@pcsnet>

mysql will judge based on field type so it works both ways :)

so in a date it inserts yyyy-mm-dd

in datetime it inserts yyyy-mm-dd hh-mm-ss

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 May, 2003 9:47 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
> 
> 
> Gary,
> 
>  From mysql site it looks like now() creates date and 
> timestamp?  If you 
> are inserting to a date field, will it insert date and time, or just 
> date?
> 
> Aaron
> 
> On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 12:29 US/Eastern, Malcolm, Gary wrote:
> 
> > there is an even easier way...
> >
> > if you want the current time in your mysql database just 
> use the mysql
> > function NOW() in your insert statement (this works for 
> date, datetime
> > types) that way you can let the db do the messy date work. 
> I only mess
> > around with dates outside a db when absolutely necessary ( 
> and this is 
> > rare
> > since mysql has things like date arithmetic)
> >
> > ex. insert into mytable (datefield, name) values(NOW(), "$username")
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 27 May, 2003 9:23 AM
> >> To: NYPHP Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] need some form help...
> >>
> >>
> >> One way of making it easier is to not have any mention of 
> date in the
> >> form.  You are working behind the scenes with php to input
> >> the current
> >> date into mysql, so you don't have to ask the user anything
> >> pertaining
> >> to date.  This is nice because it is one less thing you are
> >> asking the
> >> user to do.
> >>
> >> In your php processing, set $date = date("Y-m-d");  Then 
> you can use
> >> $date along with your other form values that are posted and
> >> insert them
> >> into the database.
> >>
> >> HTH,
> >>
> >> Aaron
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 11:07 US/Eastern, Joshua S.
> >> Freeman wrote:
> >>
> >>> right now everything is in the same file...
> >>>
> >>> J.
> >>>
> >>> On 5/27/03 9:38 AM, "Aaron Fischer"
> >> <agfische at email.smith.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hey Josh,
> >>>>
> >>>> It would depend on how you have your form page and php
> >> processing set
> >>>> up.  How do you have your logic set up?  Do you have the
> >> form as one
> >>>> page and the php processing as a separate file, or are
> >> they both in
> >>>> the
> >>>> same file?
> >>>>
> >>>> Aaron
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 09:05 US/Eastern, Joshua S. Freeman
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Aaron,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So... if, in my form, I want both the date to both be
> >> part of my form
> >>>>> input
> >>>>> as well as displayed on the page when the page is 
> loaded, how do I
> >>>>> write
> >>>>> that code?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Say I have a webpage 'waspsurvey.php3' that contains my form.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When a surveyor loads that page in his/her browser, the form is
> >>>>> displayed
> >>>>> for the surveyor to fill out.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At a point on the form, there is the parameter 'Date:'
> >> so, I'd want
> >>>>> ' $date = date("Y-m-d");
> >>>>>   print "$date";'
> >>>>> in waspsurvey.php3 so that the date will print in the 
> page.. but..
> >>>>> what do I
> >>>>> do to capture "$date" so that it becomes part of my form input?
> >>>>> <input
> >>>>> type="hidden" name="date" value="$date"> ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> J.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the On 5/27/03 8:20 AM, "Aaron Fischer" 
> <agfische at email.smith.edu>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> For date, In your php script that handles the form, you can do
> >>>>>> something like:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> $date = date("Y-m-d");
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Then you can insert $date along with your other form
> >> variables into
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>> mysql table.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Aaron
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Another point of confusion... one of the fields in the
> >> survey form
> >>>>>>>> is 'survey_date'.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have field of type 'date' in my 'specimen' table...
> >> I'd like to
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>> the 'survey_date' be handled automagically for the
> >> surveyor by PHP
> >>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>> MySQL..
> >>>>>>>> any suggestions on how best to accomplish that?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> 
> 
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May 27 12:50:56 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:50:56 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D71@pcsnet>

1. don't use count(*) because mysql will pull all fields for every record...
	use $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(col_name) FROM table_name");

2. db's are optimized for this query so their return is like greased
lightening :)

3. let the db do the work!


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nasir Zubair [mailto:lists at ny-tech.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 May, 2003 9:38 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
> 
> 
> I was wondering if I have following two pieces of codes. 
> Which one is better
> and why.
>  
> 1:
>  
> $result = mysql_query("SELECT col_name FROM table_name");
> $count = mysql_num_rows($result);
>  
>  
> 2: 
>  
> $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(*) FROM table_name");
> list($count) = mysql_fetch_row($result);
>  
> I always though COUNT(*) was better than getting the rows and 
> counting them
> via PHP. I need to explain it to someone as to why or why not 
> count(*) is
> better than the other method.
>  
> Any comments?
>  
> - Nasir
> 
> 
> 
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May 27 12:56:03 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:56:03 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D72@pcsnet>

oh yeah,
	try $count = mysql_result("SELECT count(col_name) FROM
table_name");

for a one-liner... 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 May, 2003 9:51 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
> 
> 
> 1. don't use count(*) because mysql will pull all fields for 
> every record...
> 	use $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(col_name) FROM 
> table_name");
> 
> 2. db's are optimized for this query so their return is like greased
> lightening :)
> 
> 3. let the db do the work!
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nasir Zubair [mailto:lists at ny-tech.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 27 May, 2003 9:38 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
> > 
> > 
> > I was wondering if I have following two pieces of codes. 
> > Which one is better
> > and why.
> >  
> > 1:
> >  
> > $result = mysql_query("SELECT col_name FROM table_name");
> > $count = mysql_num_rows($result);
> >  
> >  
> > 2: 
> >  
> > $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(*) FROM table_name");
> > list($count) = mysql_fetch_row($result);
> >  
> > I always though COUNT(*) was better than getting the rows and 
> > counting them
> > via PHP. I need to explain it to someone as to why or why not 
> > count(*) is
> > better than the other method.
> >  
> > Any comments?
> >  
> > - Nasir
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Tue May 27 13:09:46 2003
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:09:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
In-Reply-To: <200305271651.h4RGp1a7087527@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0305271307580.18217-100000@miranda.org>

On Tue, 27 May 2003, Malcolm, Gary wrote:

> 1. don't use count(*) because mysql will pull all fields for every record...
> 	use $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(col_name) FROM table_name");
> 
> 2. db's are optimized for this query so their return is like greased
> lightening :)
> 
> 3. let the db do the work!

4. You want to send as little information between the database and PHP
   as possible because it's faster. Having mySQL do the count means
   you're sending a number instead of a whole bunch of text. (This
   isn't such a big deal here, since the amount of text is small.)

-adam

-- 
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue May 27 15:16:19 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:16:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
In-Reply-To: <200305271651.h4RGp1Qx087527@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305271651.h4RGp1Qx087527@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030527191619.GA27711@panix.com>

Hi Folks:

On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:51:01PM -0400, Malcolm, Gary wrote:
> 1. don't use count(*) because mysql will pull all fields for every record...
> 	use $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(col_name) FROM table_name");

That's not the case.  count(*) is preferable.  The manual says:

"COUNT(*) is somewhat different in that it returns a count of the number
of rows retrieved, whether they contain NULL values. COUNT(*) is optimised
to return very quickly if the SELECT retrieves from one table, no other
columns are retrieved, and there is no WHERE clause. For example:

mysql> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM student;

( from http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Group_by_functions.html )
( see also http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Counting_rows.html )


> From: Nasir Zubair [mailto:lists at ny-tech.net]
> >
> > $result = mysql_query("SELECT col_name FROM table_name");
> > $count = mysql_num_rows($result);
> >
... OR ...
> >
> > $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(*) FROM table_name");
> > list($count) = mysql_fetch_row($result);

Now, which is better in your case depends on what you're doing.  If you
JUST want to find out the rows, the latter is better.  If you're getting a
bunch of data which you then intend to output, doing one query and then
using mysql_num_rows() on it is probably more efficient.

--Dan

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From David.SextonJr at ubspw.com  Tue May 27 15:26:23 2003
From: David.SextonJr at ubspw.com (Sexton, David)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:26:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
Message-ID: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789E3A@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>

>>>and there is no WHERE clause

Is this specific to MySQL, because I've used WHERE clauses with COUNT() in
T-SQL... you should be able to specify a WHERE clause using MySQL also. I
believe COUNT() is the same as selecting any other fields. The only
difference is that it doesn't return actual data, only an integer, which
makes it significantly faster if you're working with large result sets.

-----Original Message-----
From: Analysis & Solutions [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:16 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.


Hi Folks:

On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:51:01PM -0400, Malcolm, Gary wrote:
> 1. don't use count(*) because mysql will pull all fields for every
record...
> 	use $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(col_name) FROM table_name");

That's not the case.  count(*) is preferable.  The manual says:

"COUNT(*) is somewhat different in that it returns a count of the number
of rows retrieved, whether they contain NULL values. COUNT(*) is optimised
to return very quickly if the SELECT retrieves from one table, no other
columns are retrieved, and there is no WHERE clause. For example:

mysql> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM student;

( from http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Group_by_functions.html )
( see also http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Counting_rows.html )


> From: Nasir Zubair [mailto:lists at ny-tech.net]
> >
> > $result = mysql_query("SELECT col_name FROM table_name");
> > $count = mysql_num_rows($result);
> >
.. OR ...
> >
> > $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(*) FROM table_name");
> > list($count) = mysql_fetch_row($result);

Now, which is better in your case depends on what you're doing.  If you
JUST want to find out the rows, the latter is better.  If you're getting a
bunch of data which you then intend to output, doing one query and then
using mysql_num_rows() on it is probably more efficient.

--Dan

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From heli_travel at yahoo.com  Tue May 27 15:31:04 2003
From: heli_travel at yahoo.com (LY)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:31:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: fopen killed the script
In-Reply-To: <200305271508.h4RF75bn080262@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030527193104.14115.qmail@web12202.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
Normally when fopen("a.txt","r") can't open a file, either the
file doesn't exist, or can't read, it should return "FALSE", but
my "fopen" kill my script and no error message printed out.
Could someone help to tell if it is PHP configuration problem,
or a PHP bug? How to log this error message? 

Thanks in advance!

LY


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From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Tue May 27 15:42:46 2003
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:42:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] fopen killed the script
In-Reply-To: <200305271931.h4RJV7aB094535@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305271442170.16704-100000@westhost39.westhost.net>

You can see an example of using an error message with fopen, and logging it here:
http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/DBAbstraction/page10.html

Josh

On Tue, 27 May 2003, LY wrote:

> Hi All,
> Normally when fopen("a.txt","r") can't open a file, either the
> file doesn't exist, or can't read, it should return "FALSE", but
> my "fopen" kill my script and no error message printed out.
> Could someone help to tell if it is PHP configuration problem,
> or a PHP bug? How to log this error message? 
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> LY
> 
> 
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May 27 16:07:29 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:07:29 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D74@pcsnet>

> That's not the case.  count(*) is preferable.
cool, thanks for the info!
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From heli_travel at yahoo.com  Tue May 27 16:23:00 2003
From: heli_travel at yahoo.com (LIAO YANG)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:23:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] fopen killed the script
In-Reply-To: <200305271943.h4RJgmbn095427@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030527202300.61574.qmail@web12206.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the hint! I just copied the following code from 
php.net and used it,

I got this "[function.fopen]: failed to create stream: HTTP
request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found"

is this a configuration problem?

here is the code I copied from php.net:

// redefine the user error constants - PHP 4 only
define ("FATAL",E_USER_ERROR);
define ("ERROR",E_USER_WARNING);
define ("WARNING",E_USER_NOTICE);

// set the error reporting level for this script
error_reporting (FATAL | ERROR | WARNING);

// error handler function
function myErrorHandler ($errno, $errstr, $errfile, $errline) {
  switch ($errno) {
  case FATAL:
    echo "<b>FATAL</b> [$errno] $errstr<br>\
";
    echo "  Fatal error in line ".$errline." of file ".$errfile;
    echo ", PHP ".PHP_VERSION." (".PHP_OS.")<br>\
";
    echo "Aborting...<br>\
";
    exit(1);
    break;
  case ERROR:
    echo "<b>ERROR</b> [$errno] $errstr<br>\
";
    break;
  case WARNING:
    echo "<b>WARNING</b> [$errno] $errstr<br>\
";
    break;
    default:
    echo "Unkown error type: [$errno] $errstr<br>\
";
    break;
  }
}

// function to test the error handling
function scale_by_log ($fp) {
  if ( $fp < 0 )
    trigger_error("log(x) for x <= 0 is undefined, you used: fp
= $fp",
      FATAL);
    return 0;
}

// set to the user defined error handler
$old_error_handler = set_error_handler("myErrorHandler");







--- joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com wrote:
> You can see an example of using an error message with fopen,
> and logging it here:
>
http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/DBAbstraction/page10.html
> 
> Josh
> 
> On Tue, 27 May 2003, LY wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> > Normally when fopen("a.txt","r") can't open a file, either
> the
> > file doesn't exist, or can't read, it should return "FALSE",
> but
> > my "fopen" kill my script and no error message printed out.
> > Could someone help to tell if it is PHP configuration
> problem,
> > or a PHP bug? How to log this error message? 
> > 
> > Thanks in advance!
> > 
> > LY
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > http://search.yahoo.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Tue May 27 16:27:43 2003
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:27:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] fopen killed the script
In-Reply-To: <200305272023.h4RKN5aB097813@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0305271526360.16704-100000@westhost39.westhost.net>

Looks like the file you wanted fopen to use wasn't found (404 error). Make sure you have the correct path set, and to verify that your script is working you may want to use a test file in the simplest places possible. 

Josh

On Tue, 27 May 2003, LIAO YANG wrote:

> Thanks for the hint! I just copied the following code from 
> php.net and used it,
> 
> I got this "[function.fopen]: failed to create stream: HTTP
> request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found"
> 
> is this a configuration problem?
> 
> here is the code I copied from php.net:
> 
> // redefine the user error constants - PHP 4 only
> define ("FATAL",E_USER_ERROR);
> define ("ERROR",E_USER_WARNING);
> define ("WARNING",E_USER_NOTICE);
> 
> // set the error reporting level for this script
> error_reporting (FATAL | ERROR | WARNING);
> 
> // error handler function
> function myErrorHandler ($errno, $errstr, $errfile, $errline) {
>   switch ($errno) {
>   case FATAL:
>     echo "<b>FATAL</b> [$errno] $errstr<br>\
";
>     echo "  Fatal error in line ".$errline." of file ".$errfile;
>     echo ", PHP ".PHP_VERSION." (".PHP_OS.")<br>\
";
>     echo "Aborting...<br>\
";
>     exit(1);
>     break;
>   case ERROR:
>     echo "<b>ERROR</b> [$errno] $errstr<br>\
";
>     break;
>   case WARNING:
>     echo "<b>WARNING</b> [$errno] $errstr<br>\
";
>     break;
>     default:
>     echo "Unkown error type: [$errno] $errstr<br>\
";
>     break;
>   }
> }
> 
> // function to test the error handling
> function scale_by_log ($fp) {
>   if ( $fp < 0 )
>     trigger_error("log(x) for x <= 0 is undefined, you used: fp
> = $fp",
>       FATAL);
>     return 0;
> }
> 
> // set to the user defined error handler
> $old_error_handler = set_error_handler("myErrorHandler");
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com wrote:
> > You can see an example of using an error message with fopen,
> > and logging it here:
> >
> http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/DBAbstraction/page10.html
> > 
> > Josh
> > 
> > On Tue, 27 May 2003, LY wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi All,
> > > Normally when fopen("a.txt","r") can't open a file, either
> > the
> > > file doesn't exist, or can't read, it should return "FALSE",
> > but
> > > my "fopen" kill my script and no error message printed out.
> > > Could someone help to tell if it is PHP configuration
> > problem,
> > > or a PHP bug? How to log this error message? 
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance!
> > > 
> > > LY
> > > 
> > > 
> > > __________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > > http://search.yahoo.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Tue May 27 16:45:53 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:45:53 -0400
Subject: Trouble with Array of Objects
Message-ID: <20030527164553.C7110@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

Folks:
This is probably easy, but it doesn't seem to work the way it does in
Java or C++.

I want to create five objects within a loop, and add them to an array.

Everything I try seems to place one object in the last (occasionally
the first) element of the array, but I never get the whole array
filled.  sizeof( $myArray ) continually returns 1.

However, I know the objects are getting created, because I have placed
a call to the "print yourself" function inside the constructor, so I
know five objects are getting created.

What am I doing wrong?
-c

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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Tue May 27 16:50:50 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:50:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2DEE@USA1370MS1>

for ( $i = 0 ; $i <= 4 ; $i++ ) {
  $myArray[$i] = codeToCreateObject();
}

I am not sure if this will help?  Can I see your code?


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher R. Merlo [mailto:cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:46 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects


Folks:
This is probably easy, but it doesn't seem to work the way it does in
Java or C++.

I want to create five objects within a loop, and add them to an array.

Everything I try seems to place one object in the last (occasionally
the first) element of the array, but I never get the whole array
filled.  sizeof( $myArray ) continually returns 1.

However, I know the objects are getting created, because I have placed
a call to the "print yourself" function inside the constructor, so I
know five objects are getting created.

What am I doing wrong?
-c

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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May 27 16:52:00 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:52:00 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D75@pcsnet>

hmm, w/o the code...

is this like you code:

	myarray[]=new thingamajig;
or
	$bob = new thingamajig;
	myarray[$index] = $bob;
or
	myarray['bob'] = new thingamajig;

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher R. Merlo [mailto:cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 May, 2003 1:46 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
> 
> 
> Folks:
> This is probably easy, but it doesn't seem to work the way it does in
> Java or C++.
> 
> I want to create five objects within a loop, and add them to an array.
> 
> Everything I try seems to place one object in the last (occasionally
> the first) element of the array, but I never get the whole array
> filled.  sizeof( $myArray ) continually returns 1.
> 
> However, I know the objects are getting created, because I have placed
> a call to the "print yourself" function inside the constructor, so I
> know five objects are getting created.
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> -c
> 
> -- 
> cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        
> http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo
> 
> We're sorry, but the number you have dialed is imaginary.  Please
> rotate your phone ninety degrees and try again.  Thank you.
> 
> 
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From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Tue May 27 17:00:33 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:00:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
In-Reply-To: <200305272051.h4RKosaJ000724@parsec.nyphp.org>; from Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon@usa.xerox.com on Tue, May 27, 2003 at 04:50:54PM -0400
References: <200305272051.h4RKosaJ000724@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030527170033.D7110@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

On 2003-05-27 16:50 -0400, Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo <Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com> wrote:

> for ( $i = 0 ; $i <= 4 ; $i++ ) {
>   $myArray[$i] = codeToCreateObject();
> }
> 
> I am not sure if this will help?  Can I see your code?

I'll give you the highlights, and spare you most of the MySQL stuff.

Here's the class def:

  class Meeting {

  var $day;
  var $start;
  var $end;
  var $dept;
  var $course;
  var $building;
  var $room;

  function Meeting( $day, $start, $end,
		    $dept, $course, $section,
		    $building, $room ) {
    $this->day = $day;
    $this->start = $start;
    $this->end = $end;
    $this->dept = $dept;
    $this->course = $course;
    $this->building = $building;
    $this->room = $room;
    print "<p>" . $this->toString( ) . "</p>\
";
  }

  function toString( ) {
    return date( "g:i a", strtotime( $this->start ) ) . " to "
      . date( "g:i a", strtotime( $this->end ) ) . ": $this->dept "
      . "$this->course $this->section in $this->building $this->room";
  }
} // class Meeting

And here's the relevant code:

$meetings = array( );

// some more stuff

  foreach( $day_names as $day=>$name ) {

    $day_query = "select * from meetings where id = \\"{$sec_row[ "$day" ]}\\"";
    $day_result = @mysql_query( $day_query );

    $day_row = @mysql_fetch_assoc( $day_result );
    if( !is_null( $day_row[ 'start' ] ) ) {

      $meetings[ $meeting_count ] =
        new Meeting( $name, $day_row[ 'start' ], $day_row[ 'end' ],
                       $course_row[ 'dept' ], $course_row[ 'course' ],
                       $sec_row[ 'section' ], $day_row[ 'building' ],
                       $day_row[ 'room' ] );
      $meeting_count++;
    }
  }
}

Here's what I get on the page.  First, the results of the constructor
being called five times:

8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 113

8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 119

8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 113

8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 119

8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 218 in B 113

And then the result of print_r( $meetings ):

Array ( [4] => meeting Object ( [day] => Friday [start] => 08:00:00
[end] => 10:50:00 [dept] => CMP [course] => 218 [building] => B [room]
=> 113 ) ) 

And I'm at a loss.

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From chris at psydeshow.org  Tue May 27 17:10:59 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:10:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
In-Reply-To: <200305272101.h4RL0YYT002475@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305272101.h4RL0YYT002475@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ED3D463.50503@psydeshow.org>

Scratching head... have you tried $meetings[] = new Meeting ( etc.); ??
Not that it should matter, of course.

Also, are you PHP 4.3.1? (And not 4.3.2RC4?)


Christopher R. Merlo wrote:

>On 2003-05-27 16:50 -0400, Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo <Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>for ( $i = 0 ; $i <= 4 ; $i++ ) {
>>  $myArray[$i] = codeToCreateObject();
>>}
>>
>>I am not sure if this will help?  Can I see your code?
>>    
>>
>
>I'll give you the highlights, and spare you most of the MySQL stuff.
>
>Here's the class def:
>
>  class Meeting {
>
>  var $day;
>  var $start;
>  var $end;
>  var $dept;
>  var $course;
>  var $building;
>  var $room;
>
>  function Meeting( $day, $start, $end,
>		    $dept, $course, $section,
>		    $building, $room ) {
>    $this->day = $day;
>    $this->start = $start;
>    $this->end = $end;
>    $this->dept = $dept;
>    $this->course = $course;
>    $this->building = $building;
>    $this->room = $room;
>    print "<p>" . $this->toString( ) . "</p>\
";
>  }
>
>  function toString( ) {
>    return date( "g:i a", strtotime( $this->start ) ) . " to "
>      . date( "g:i a", strtotime( $this->end ) ) . ": $this->dept "
>      . "$this->course $this->section in $this->building $this->room";
>  }
>} // class Meeting
>
>And here's the relevant code:
>
>$meetings = array( );
>
>// some more stuff
>
>  foreach( $day_names as $day=>$name ) {
>
>    $day_query = "select * from meetings where id = \\"{$sec_row[ "$day" ]}\\"";
>    $day_result = @mysql_query( $day_query );
>
>    $day_row = @mysql_fetch_assoc( $day_result );
>    if( !is_null( $day_row[ 'start' ] ) ) {
>
>      $meetings[ $meeting_count ] =
>        new Meeting( $name, $day_row[ 'start' ], $day_row[ 'end' ],
>                       $course_row[ 'dept' ], $course_row[ 'course' ],
>                       $sec_row[ 'section' ], $day_row[ 'building' ],
>                       $day_row[ 'room' ] );
>      $meeting_count++;
>    }
>  }
>}
>
>Here's what I get on the page.  First, the results of the constructor
>being called five times:
>
>8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 113
>
>8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 119
>
>8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 113
>
>8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 119
>
>8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 218 in B 113
>
>And then the result of print_r( $meetings ):
>
>Array ( [4] => meeting Object ( [day] => Friday [start] => 08:00:00
>[end] => 10:50:00 [dept] => CMP [course] => 218 [building] => B [room]
>=> 113 ) ) 
>
>And I'm at a loss.
>  
>



From heli_travel at yahoo.com  Tue May 27 17:12:37 2003
From: heli_travel at yahoo.com (LIAO YANG)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:12:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] fopen killed the script
In-Reply-To: <200305272028.h4RKRkbn098645@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030527211237.68186.qmail@web12208.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Josh, I now understand it, it works !

--- joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com wrote:
> Looks like the file you wanted fopen to use wasn't found (404
> error). Make sure you have the correct path set, and to verify
> that your script is working you may want to use a test file in
> the simplest places possible. 
> 
> Josh
> 
> On Tue, 27 May 2003, LIAO YANG wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the hint! I just copied the following code from 
> > php.net and used it,
> > 
> > I got this "[function.fopen]: failed to create stream: HTTP
> > request failed! HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found"
> > 
> > is this a configuration problem?
> > 
> > here is the code I copied from php.net:
> > 
> > // redefine the user error constants - PHP 4 only
> > define ("FATAL",E_USER_ERROR);
> > define ("ERROR",E_USER_WARNING);
> > define ("WARNING",E_USER_NOTICE);
> > 
> > // set the error reporting level for this script
> > error_reporting (FATAL | ERROR | WARNING);
> > 
> > // error handler function
> > function myErrorHandler ($errno, $errstr, $errfile,
> $errline) {
> >   switch ($errno) {
> >   case FATAL:
> >     echo "<b>FATAL</b> [$errno] $errstr<br>\
";
> >     echo "  Fatal error in line ".$errline." of file
> ".$errfile;
> >     echo ", PHP ".PHP_VERSION." (".PHP_OS.")<br>\
";
> >     echo "Aborting...<br>\
";
> >     exit(1);
> >     break;
> >   case ERROR:
> >     echo "<b>ERROR</b> [$errno] $errstr<br>\
";
> >     break;
> >   case WARNING:
> >     echo "<b>WARNING</b> [$errno] $errstr<br>\
";
> >     break;
> >     default:
> >     echo "Unkown error type: [$errno] $errstr<br>\
";
> >     break;
> >   }
> > }
> > 
> > // function to test the error handling
> > function scale_by_log ($fp) {
> >   if ( $fp < 0 )
> >     trigger_error("log(x) for x <= 0 is undefined, you used:
> fp
> > = $fp",
> >       FATAL);
> >     return 0;
> > }
> > 
> > // set to the user defined error handler
> > $old_error_handler = set_error_handler("myErrorHandler");
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com wrote:
> > > You can see an example of using an error message with
> fopen,
> > > and logging it here:
> > >
> >
>
http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/PHP/DBAbstraction/page10.html
> > > 
> > > Josh
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 27 May 2003, LY wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > Normally when fopen("a.txt","r") can't open a file,
> either
> > > the
> > > > file doesn't exist, or can't read, it should return
> "FALSE",
> > > but
> > > > my "fopen" kill my script and no error message printed
> out.
> > > > Could someone help to tell if it is PHP configuration
> > > problem,
> > > > or a PHP bug? How to log this error message? 
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > > 
> > > > LY
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > __________________________________
> > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > > > http://search.yahoo.com
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.
> > http://search.yahoo.com
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May 27 17:15:31 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:15:31 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D76@pcsnet>

  if( !is_null( $day_row[ 'start' ] ) ) seems to be the most likely
candidate for the problem...

where do you call toString()?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Snyder [mailto:chris at psydeshow.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 May, 2003 2:11 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
> 
> 
> Scratching head... have you tried $meetings[] = new Meeting ( 
> etc.); ??
> Not that it should matter, of course.
> 
> Also, are you PHP 4.3.1? (And not 4.3.2RC4?)
> 
> 
> Christopher R. Merlo wrote:
> 
> >On 2003-05-27 16:50 -0400, Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo 
> <Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>for ( $i = 0 ; $i <= 4 ; $i++ ) {
> >>  $myArray[$i] = codeToCreateObject();
> >>}
> >>
> >>I am not sure if this will help?  Can I see your code?
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >I'll give you the highlights, and spare you most of the MySQL stuff.
> >
> >Here's the class def:
> >
> >  class Meeting {
> >
> >  var $day;
> >  var $start;
> >  var $end;
> >  var $dept;
> >  var $course;
> >  var $building;
> >  var $room;
> >
> >  function Meeting( $day, $start, $end,
> >		    $dept, $course, $section,
> >		    $building, $room ) {
> >    $this->day = $day;
> >    $this->start = $start;
> >    $this->end = $end;
> >    $this->dept = $dept;
> >    $this->course = $course;
> >    $this->building = $building;
> >    $this->room = $room;
> >    print "<p>" . $this->toString( ) . "</p>\
";
> >  }
> >
> >  function toString( ) {
> >    return date( "g:i a", strtotime( $this->start ) ) . " to "
> >      . date( "g:i a", strtotime( $this->end ) ) . ": $this->dept "
> >      . "$this->course $this->section in $this->building 
> $this->room";
> >  }
> >} // class Meeting
> >
> >And here's the relevant code:
> >
> >$meetings = array( );
> >
> >// some more stuff
> >
> >  foreach( $day_names as $day=>$name ) {
> >
> >    $day_query = "select * from meetings where id = 
> \\"{$sec_row[ "$day" ]}\\"";
> >    $day_result = @mysql_query( $day_query );
> >
> >    $day_row = @mysql_fetch_assoc( $day_result );
> >    if( !is_null( $day_row[ 'start' ] ) ) {
> >
> >      $meetings[ $meeting_count ] =
> >        new Meeting( $name, $day_row[ 'start' ], $day_row[ 'end' ],
> >                       $course_row[ 'dept' ], $course_row[ 
> 'course' ],
> >                       $sec_row[ 'section' ], $day_row[ 'building' ],
> >                       $day_row[ 'room' ] );
> >      $meeting_count++;
> >    }
> >  }
> >}
> >
> >Here's what I get on the page.  First, the results of the constructor
> >being called five times:
> >
> >8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 113
> >
> >8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 119
> >
> >8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 113
> >
> >8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 119
> >
> >8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 218 in B 113
> >
> >And then the result of print_r( $meetings ):
> >
> >Array ( [4] => meeting Object ( [day] => Friday [start] => 08:00:00
> >[end] => 10:50:00 [dept] => CMP [course] => 218 [building] 
> => B [room]
> >=> 113 ) ) 
> >
> >And I'm at a loss.
> >  
> >
> 
> 
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May 27 17:16:20 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:16:20 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D77@pcsnet>

oh never mind i see it....

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher R. Merlo [mailto:cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 May, 2003 2:01 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
> 
> 
> On 2003-05-27 16:50 -0400, Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo 
> <Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com> wrote:
> 
> > for ( $i = 0 ; $i <= 4 ; $i++ ) {
> >   $myArray[$i] = codeToCreateObject();
> > }
> > 
> > I am not sure if this will help?  Can I see your code?
> 
> I'll give you the highlights, and spare you most of the MySQL stuff.
> 
> Here's the class def:
> 
>   class Meeting {
> 
>   var $day;
>   var $start;
>   var $end;
>   var $dept;
>   var $course;
>   var $building;
>   var $room;
> 
>   function Meeting( $day, $start, $end,
> 		    $dept, $course, $section,
> 		    $building, $room ) {
>     $this->day = $day;
>     $this->start = $start;
>     $this->end = $end;
>     $this->dept = $dept;
>     $this->course = $course;
>     $this->building = $building;
>     $this->room = $room;
>     print "<p>" . $this->toString( ) . "</p>\
";
>   }
> 
>   function toString( ) {
>     return date( "g:i a", strtotime( $this->start ) ) . " to "
>       . date( "g:i a", strtotime( $this->end ) ) . ": $this->dept "
>       . "$this->course $this->section in $this->building $this->room";
>   }
> } // class Meeting
> 
> And here's the relevant code:
> 
> $meetings = array( );
> 
> // some more stuff
> 
>   foreach( $day_names as $day=>$name ) {
> 
>     $day_query = "select * from meetings where id = 
> \\"{$sec_row[ "$day" ]}\\"";
>     $day_result = @mysql_query( $day_query );
> 
>     $day_row = @mysql_fetch_assoc( $day_result );
>     if( !is_null( $day_row[ 'start' ] ) ) {
> 
>       $meetings[ $meeting_count ] =
>         new Meeting( $name, $day_row[ 'start' ], $day_row[ 'end' ],
>                        $course_row[ 'dept' ], $course_row[ 'course' ],
>                        $sec_row[ 'section' ], $day_row[ 'building' ],
>                        $day_row[ 'room' ] );
>       $meeting_count++;
>     }
>   }
> }
> 
> Here's what I get on the page.  First, the results of the constructor
> being called five times:
> 
> 8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 113
> 
> 8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 119
> 
> 8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 113
> 
> 8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 103 in B 119
> 
> 8:00 am to 10:50 am: CMP 218 in B 113
> 
> And then the result of print_r( $meetings ):
> 
> Array ( [4] => meeting Object ( [day] => Friday [start] => 08:00:00
> [end] => 10:50:00 [dept] => CMP [course] => 218 [building] => B [room]
> => 113 ) ) 
> 
> And I'm at a loss.
> 
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From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Tue May 27 17:17:07 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:17:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
In-Reply-To: <200305272111.h4RLAtaH003575@parsec.nyphp.org>; from chris@psydeshow.org on Tue, May 27, 2003 at 05:10:55PM -0400
References: <200305272111.h4RLAtaH003575@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030527171707.E7110@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

On 2003-05-27 17:10 -0400, Chris Snyder <chris at psydeshow.org> wrote:

> Scratching head... have you tried $meetings[] = new Meeting ( etc.); ??
> Not that it should matter, of course.

Oddly, that changes the "[4]" below:

> >Array ( [4] => meeting Object ( [day] => Friday [start] => 08:00:00
> >[end] => 10:50:00 [dept] => CMP [course] => 218 [building] => B [room]
> >=> 113 ) ) 

to a "[0]", but it's still the same object stored (the last one of the
five).

> Also, are you PHP 4.3.1? (And not 4.3.2RC4?)

I'm actually (gasp!) at 4.1.1.  I was planning to update the box (OS,
PHP, etc.) before summer session started, but alas, I was too lazy.  I
wonder if the old version of PHP makes a difference.

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From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Tue May 27 17:19:23 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:19:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
In-Reply-To: <200305272116.h4RLFbaH005189@parsec.nyphp.org>; from gmalcolm@professionalcredit.com on Tue, May 27, 2003 at 05:15:37PM -0400
References: <200305272116.h4RLFbaH005189@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030527171923.F7110@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

On 2003-05-27 17:15 -0400, Malcolm, Gary <gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com> wrote:

>   if( !is_null( $day_row[ 'start' ] ) ) seems to be the most likely
> candidate for the problem...

No, all that does is eliminate creating empty objects for Saturday and
Sunday.  (I know, it's a hack.)

> where do you call toString()?

Last line of Meeting's constructor.

>  class Meeting {
>
> [ etc... ]
>
>   print "<p>" . $this->toString( ) . "</p>\
";
> }

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From chris at psydeshow.org  Tue May 27 17:29:16 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:29:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
In-Reply-To: <200305272118.h4RLH8YR006351@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305272118.h4RLH8YR006351@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ED3D8AC.9040407@psydeshow.org>

You've probably figured out as much, but *something* is reseting 
$meetings on every foreach loop.
V. strange. It's as if $mettings = array ( ); was actually inside the 
foreach.


Christopher R. Merlo wrote:

>On 2003-05-27 17:10 -0400, Chris Snyder <chris at psydeshow.org> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Scratching head... have you tried $meetings[] = new Meeting ( etc.); ??
>>Not that it should matter, of course.
>>    
>>
>
>Oddly, that changes the "[4]" below:
>
>  
>
>>>Array ( [4] => meeting Object ( [day] => Friday [start] => 08:00:00
>>>[end] => 10:50:00 [dept] => CMP [course] => 218 [building] => B [room]
>>>=> 113 ) ) 
>>>      
>>>
>
>to a "[0]", but it's still the same object stored (the last one of the
>five).
>
>  
>
>>Also, are you PHP 4.3.1? (And not 4.3.2RC4?)
>>    
>>
>
>I'm actually (gasp!) at 4.1.1.  I was planning to update the box (OS,
>PHP, etc.) before summer session started, but alas, I was too lazy.  I
>wonder if the old version of PHP makes a difference.
>
>  
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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Tue May 27 17:30:29 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:30:29 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D78@pcsnet>

now im curious...

have you collected all the mysql results and  print_r'ed the rows?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher R. Merlo [mailto:cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 May, 2003 2:17 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
> 
> 
> On 2003-05-27 17:10 -0400, Chris Snyder <chris at psydeshow.org> wrote:
> 
> > Scratching head... have you tried $meetings[] = new Meeting 
> ( etc.); ??
> > Not that it should matter, of course.
> 
> Oddly, that changes the "[4]" below:
> 
> > >Array ( [4] => meeting Object ( [day] => Friday [start] => 08:00:00
> > >[end] => 10:50:00 [dept] => CMP [course] => 218 [building] 
> => B [room]
> > >=> 113 ) ) 
> 
> to a "[0]", but it's still the same object stored (the last one of the
> five).
> 
> > Also, are you PHP 4.3.1? (And not 4.3.2RC4?)
> 
> I'm actually (gasp!) at 4.1.1.  I was planning to update the box (OS,
> PHP, etc.) before summer session started, but alas, I was too lazy.  I
> wonder if the old version of PHP makes a difference.
> 
> -- 
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> http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo
> 
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From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Tue May 27 17:35:32 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:35:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
In-Reply-To: <200305272130.h4RLTBaH008494@parsec.nyphp.org>; from chris@psydeshow.org on Tue, May 27, 2003 at 05:29:11PM -0400
References: <200305272130.h4RLTBaH008494@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030527173532.G7110@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

On 2003-05-27 17:29 -0400, Chris Snyder <chris at psydeshow.org> wrote:

> You've probably figured out as much, but *something* is reseting 
> $meetings on every foreach loop.
> V. strange. It's as if $mettings = array ( ); was actually inside the 
> foreach.

Oh, crap, that was it.  I had that line within a while that enclosed
the code I showed you.  Duh.

Thanks, Chris, you win a beer.  Sorry for clogging the list with
stupidity.  :)

-c

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From lists at ny-tech.net  Tue May 27 21:00:29 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:00:29 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
References: <200305271927.h4RJQYX1093722@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ED40A2D.000001.00936@MAIN>

 
 
Hi David,

The quote from manual states that  COUNT(*) is more optimized IF there is no
column name and no WHERE clause. :)

- Nasir
-------Original Message-------
 
From: talk at nyphp.org
Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:26:45 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
 
>>>and there is no WHERE clause
 
Is this specific to MySQL, because I've used WHERE clauses with COUNT() in
T-SQL... you should be able to specify a WHERE clause using MySQL also. I
believe COUNT() is the same as selecting any other fields. The only
difference is that it doesn't return actual data, only an integer, which
makes it significantly faster if you're working with large result sets.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Analysis & Solutions [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:16 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
 
 
Hi Folks:
 
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:51:01PM -0400, Malcolm, Gary wrote:
> 1. don't use count(*) because mysql will pull all fields for every
record...
> use $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(col_name) FROM table_name");
 
That's not the case. count(*) is preferable. The manual says:
 
"COUNT(*) is somewhat different in that it returns a count of the number
of rows retrieved, whether they contain NULL values. COUNT(*) is optimised
to return very quickly if the SELECT retrieves from one table, no other
columns are retrieved, and there is no WHERE clause. For example:
 
mysql> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM student;
 
( from http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Group_by_functions.html )
( see also http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Counting_rows.html )
 
 
> From: Nasir Zubair [mailto:lists at ny-tech.net]
> >
> > $result = mysql_query("SELECT col_name FROM table_name");
> > $count = mysql_num_rows($result);
> >
.. OR ...
> >
> > $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(*) FROM table_name");
> > list($count) = mysql_fetch_row($result);
 
Now, which is better in your case depends on what you're doing. If you
JUST want to find out the rows, the latter is better. If you're getting a
bunch of data which you then intend to output, doing one query and then
using mysql_num_rows() on it is probably more efficient.
 
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From lists at ny-tech.net  Tue May 27 21:01:54 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:01:54 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
References: <200305271710.h4RH9nX1089519@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ED40A82.000003.00936@MAIN>

Thanks adam and everyone else. :-)
 
- Nasir 
 
-------Original Message-------
 
From: talk at nyphp.org
Date: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:10:02 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
 
On Tue, 27 May 2003, Malcolm, Gary wrote:
 
> 1. don't use count(*) because mysql will pull all fields for every record.
.
> use $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(col_name) FROM table_name");
>
> 2. db's are optimized for this query so their return is like greased
> lightening :)
>
> 3. let the db do the work!
 
4. You want to send as little information between the database and PHP
as possible because it's faster. Having mySQL do the count means
you're sending a number instead of a whole bunch of text. (This
isn't such a big deal here, since the amount of text is small.)
 
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed May 28 00:35:34 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 00:35:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Trouble with Array of Objects
In-Reply-To: <200305272100.h4RL0YQx002475@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305272100.h4RL0YQx002475@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030528043534.GA18633@panix.com>

On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 04:45:54PM -0400, Christopher R. Merlo wrote:
>
> I want to create five objects within a loop, and add them to an array.
 
Putting multiple objects into an array?  Even without looking at your
code, you're on the wrong track.  Very inefficient.     

Now, let's look at your code...


On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 05:00:34PM -0400, Christopher R. Merlo wrote:
> 
>   class Meeting {
> 
>   var $day;
>   var $start;
>   var $end;
>   var $dept;
>   var $course;
>   var $building;
>   var $room;
> 
>   function Meeting( $day, $start, $end,
> 		    $dept, $course, $section,
> 		    $building, $room ) {
>     $this->day = $day;
>     $this->start = $start;
>     $this->end = $end;
>     $this->dept = $dept;
>     $this->course = $course;
>     $this->building = $building;
>     $this->room = $room;
>     print "<p>" . $this->toString( ) . "</p>\
";
>   }
> 
>   function toString( ) {
>     return date( "g:i a", strtotime( $this->start ) ) . " to "
>       . date( "g:i a", strtotime( $this->end ) ) . ": $this->dept "
>       . "$this->course $this->section in $this->building $this->room";
>   }
> } // class Meeting
> 
> And here's the relevant code:
> 
> $meetings = array( );
> 
> // some more stuff
> 
>   foreach( $day_names as $day=>$name ) {
> 
>     $day_query = "select * from meetings where id = \\"{$sec_row[ "$day" ]}\\"";
>     $day_result = @mysql_query( $day_query );
> 
>     $day_row = @mysql_fetch_assoc( $day_result );
>     if( !is_null( $day_row[ 'start' ] ) ) {
> 
>       $meetings[ $meeting_count ] =
>         new Meeting( $name, $day_row[ 'start' ], $day_row[ 'end' ],
>                        $course_row[ 'dept' ], $course_row[ 'course' ],
>                        $sec_row[ 'section' ], $day_row[ 'building' ],
>                        $day_row[ 'room' ] );
>       $meeting_count++;
>     }
>   }
> }

First, are you calling multiple mysql_fetch_assoc's?  Sure looks like it, 
since you're calling new meeting() with $day_row[], $course_row[] etc.

I'm guessing you're getting things via multiple queries to multiple tables 
rather than writing one far more efficient query using LEFT JOIN's.

Second, why are you creating some class and method just to store some data 
that's already available in what should be one array?

I'm taking a very cursory and slightly drunken look at your code and all
it seems you're doing is a WHOLE LOT of work to save some course data.  
What is your ultimate goal here?  To print out a list of courses in a
preformatted way?  If this is the case, you could save a heck of a lot of
effort by just doing

while ($Row = mysql_fetch_array($RecordSet, MYSQL_ASSOC)) {
    echo "{$Row['start']} to {$Row['end']}: {$Row['dept']} etc...\
"
}

after executing a well formed query which does the date formatting in the 
query and joins all the relevant data up front.  Read the MySQL manual on 
how to write queries with the DATE_FORMAT() function:
    http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Date_and_time_functions.html

For JOIN syntax, see http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/JOIN.html

Enjoy,

--Dan

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From tech_learner at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 09:38:09 2003
From: tech_learner at yahoo.com (Tracy)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 06:38:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compatibility and Portability
In-Reply-To: <200305271300.h4RCxmcF074269@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030528133809.21746.qmail@web14302.mail.yahoo.com>

may be this can egt things started...
 
http://www.weberdev.com/index.php3?GoTo=get_example.php3?count=3660
Make your PHP 4.1 (or higher) script compatible with PHP 4.0 (still used by some prviders)
 
<?php 
// PHP4 < 4.1 Compatibility 
if (!function_exists('version_compare')) { 
    function version_compare ($a, $b, $c) { 
        return (TRUE); 
    } 
}  
if (version_compare(phpversion(), "4.1.0", "<")) { 
    $_SERVER = $HTTP_SERVER_VARS; 
    $_REQUEST = array_merge ($HTTP_GET_VARS, $HTTP_POST_VARS, $HTTP_COOKIE_VARS); 
    $_GET = $HTTP_GET_VARS; 
    $_POST = $HTTP_POST_VARS; 
    $_COOKIE = $HTTP_COOKIE_VARS; 
    $_FILES = $HTTP_POST_FILES; 
    $_SESSION = $HTTP_SESSION_VARS; 
    $_ENV = $HTTP_ENV_VARS; 
} // End PHP4 < 4.1 Compatibility 
?> 

User Comments:
You aren`t REALLY ensuring compatability of an entire script, just the $_SERVER (etc) arrays. 

There is still one LARGE difference however. $_SERVER, $_POST, etc are all superglobal arrays, which means you don`t have to do things like: 

function foo() 
{ 
global $_SERVER; 
} 

In your example, the user would still have to have a global ... statement in any user functions they declared. 

Your example solves a LOT of problems, but not all :)
 
Tracy



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From matt at reconstrukt.com  Wed May 28 12:18:56 2003
From: matt at reconstrukt.com (Matthew Knight)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:18:56 -0400
Subject: Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305281338.h4SDcCYb031031@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <003001c32534$d72243e0$4501a8c0@reconstrukt.com>

Hello all -

I rescued 66 anodized black PCs from a client's company, they were
deemed too slow for M$ applications and bloatware M$ OS.  The company is
a trading firm based out of NYC that develops trading portals for the
NYSE, these were once a part of their server farm.

The systems have a very small footprint, and are only slightly larger
than a shoebox.  They're roughly all the same inside, with specs
similiar to below:

Pentium I 90-233MHz or AMD compatible
16-128MB RAM
2GIG Hard Disk
Floppy
2 Serial
1 LPT
AT Style Motherboard

The black steel case is very solid and one-of-a-kind made specifically
for the company.  Everyone seems to like the look of this
all-anodized-steel "black box" - it's very sleek indeed.

In any case, I couldn't see throwing away 66 perfectly good computers...
Unfortunately, it seems recycling is mandatory for everything *but*
computers (go figure...)
 
If you would be interested in getting one, send me an email, off-list,
to matt at reconstrukt.com.

Thanks!

Matt




***************************
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Reconstrukt, LLC
P.O. Box 334
Larchmont, NY 10538
www.reconstrukt.com
matt at reconstrukt.com
24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700


-----Original Message-----
From: Tracy [mailto:tech_learner at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:38 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] PHP Compatibility and Portability

may be this can egt things started...
 
http://www.weberdev.com/index.php3?GoTo=get_example.php3?count=3660
Make your PHP 4.1 (or higher) script compatible with PHP 4.0 (still used
by some prviders)
 
<?php 
// PHP4 < 4.1 Compatibility 
if (!function_exists('version_compare')) { 
    function version_compare ($a, $b, $c) { 
        return (TRUE); 
    } 
}  
if (version_compare(phpversion(), "4.1.0", "<")) { 
    $_SERVER = $HTTP_SERVER_VARS; 
    $_REQUEST = array_merge ($HTTP_GET_VARS, $HTTP_POST_VARS,
$HTTP_COOKIE_VARS); 
    $_GET = $HTTP_GET_VARS; 
    $_POST = $HTTP_POST_VARS; 
    $_COOKIE = $HTTP_COOKIE_VARS; 
    $_FILES = $HTTP_POST_FILES; 
    $_SESSION = $HTTP_SESSION_VARS; 
    $_ENV = $HTTP_ENV_VARS; 
} // End PHP4 < 4.1 Compatibility 
?> 

User Comments:
You aren`t REALLY ensuring compatability of an entire script, just the
$_SERVER (etc) arrays. 

There is still one LARGE difference however. $_SERVER, $_POST, etc are
all superglobal arrays, which means you don`t have to do things like: 

function foo() 
{ 
global $_SERVER; 
} 

In your example, the user would still have to have a global ...
statement in any user functions they declared. 

Your example solves a LOT of problems, but not all :)
 
Tracy



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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Wed May 28 12:31:52 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:31:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305281620.h4SGKjR1035390@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305281620.h4SGKjR1035390@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030528163151.GA29759@panix.com>

Hi Matthew:

If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable South
Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and resells if
possible) used items.

http://www.ssbx.org/

--Dan

-- 
     FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
           http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
 4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409


From matt at reconstrukt.com  Wed May 28 13:30:46 2003
From: matt at reconstrukt.com (Matthew Knight)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:30:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305281632.h4SGVsYd036350@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <005d01c3253e$dfcb5270$4501a8c0@reconstrukt.com>

Hey Dan -

Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...

But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here: 

http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/

Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited memory, etc...

We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no
problem.  


Matt




-----Original Message-----
From: Analysis & Solutions [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs

Hi Matthew:

If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable South
Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and resells if
possible) used items.

http://www.ssbx.org/

--Dan

-- 
     FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
           http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
 4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409


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From thegeek at thecolorgeek.com  Wed May 28 14:01:22 2003
From: thegeek at thecolorgeek.com (The Geek)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:01:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305281733.h4SHWXZn038353@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <6402DC9A-9136-11D7-89A9-003065489A1E@thecolorgeek.com>

Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are 
forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets see $250 x 
66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please Do!!!!!
On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight wrote:

> Hey Dan -
>
> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
>
> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
>
> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
>
> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited memory, etc...
>
> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no
> problem.
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Analysis & Solutions [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
> Hi Matthew:
>
> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable 
> South
> Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and resells if
> possible) used items.
>
> http://www.ssbx.org/
>
> --Dan
>
> -- 
>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From agfische at email.smith.edu  Wed May 28 14:07:08 2003
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:07:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305281801.h4SI1QT9039647@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <324F2770-9137-11D7-A153-0003930D07F2@email.smith.edu>

I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a giveaway 
of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted 
about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an 
email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the post showing 
that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, spare me!


On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:

> Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are
> forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets see $250 x
> 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please 
> Do!!!!!
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight wrote:
>
>> Hey Dan -
>>
>> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
>>
>> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
>>
>> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
>>
>> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited memory, etc...
>>
>> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no
>> problem.
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Analysis & Solutions [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>>
>> Hi Matthew:
>>
>> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable
>> South
>> Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and resells if
>> possible) used items.
>>
>> http://www.ssbx.org/
>>
>> --Dan
>>
>> -- 
>>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
>>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
>>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>



From Ed at ComSimplicity.com  Wed May 28 14:10:16 2003
From: Ed at ComSimplicity.com (Ed McCarroll)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:10:16 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305281801.h4SI1QS7039647@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBLLCLKJDNHHNPAAHHKEEGFDAA.Ed@ComSimplicity.com>

> Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.

Let's see, Pentium I, 128MB, 2GB, for $250...  I'm curious to see
how they do, given what can be had for $400 from Dell these days...

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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Wed May 28 14:11:37 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:11:37 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D83@pcsnet>

besides... $250 for PI's !?! keep dreaming. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 May, 2003 11:07 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> 
> 
> I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a 
> giveaway 
> of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted 
> about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an 
> email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the 
> post showing 
> that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, 
> spare me!
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:
> 
> > Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are
> > forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets 
> see $250 x
> > 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please 
> > Do!!!!!
> > On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Dan -
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
> >>
> >> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
> >>
> >> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
> >>
> >> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited 
> memory, etc...
> >>
> >> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no
> >> problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Analysis & Solutions 
> [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> >> To: NYPHP Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> >>
> >> Hi Matthew:
> >>
> >> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable
> >> South
> >> Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and 
> resells if
> >> possible) used items.
> >>
> >> http://www.ssbx.org/
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> -- 
> >>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O 
> M P A N Y
> >>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 
> 718-854-0409
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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From tom at supertom.com  Wed May 28 14:10:28 2003
From: tom at supertom.com (tom at supertom.com)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:10:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305281808.h4SI7CZP040624@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDEEOAENAA.tom@supertom.com>

I can't speak for everyone, and I'm certainly not beating up on Matthew (the
fellow who posted about the PCs), but the gist that I got from that post was
that the machines were free (as they were "saved"), and I was actually in
the process in researching how we could use those for LIPHP (meeting
tonight, BTW, www.liphp.org - shameless plug!).  FWIW, I feel $250 can go
alot further than that in the PC space.

Tom

http://www.liphp.org




-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:07 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs


I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a giveaway
of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted
about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an
email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the post showing
that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, spare me!


On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:

> Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are
> forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets see $250 x
> 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please
> Do!!!!!
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight wrote:
>
>> Hey Dan -
>>
>> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
>>
>> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
>>
>> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
>>
>> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited memory, etc...
>>
>> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no
>> problem.
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Analysis & Solutions [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>>
>> Hi Matthew:
>>
>> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable
>> South
>> Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and resells if
>> possible) used items.
>>
>> http://www.ssbx.org/
>>
>> --Dan
>>
>> --
>>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
>>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
>>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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From chris at psydeshow.org  Wed May 28 14:17:49 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:17:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305281810.h4SIA7YR041423@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305281810.h4SIA7YR041423@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ED4FD4D.8050204@psydeshow.org>

Ed McCarroll wrote:

>>Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.
>>    
>>
>
>Let's see, Pentium I, 128MB, 2GB, for $250...  I'm curious to see
>how they do, given what can be had for $400 from Dell these days...
>
>  
>
Let's not rule out XBox Linux:  ~$199 for 733 Celeron with DVD and a 
much smaller footprint.
Of course, you might get fired if you tried to build a Fortune 500 
server farm with them.

Cheers!



From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Wed May 28 14:19:12 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:19:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2DF6@USA1370MS1>

Wow, you are a real minimalist when it comes to a web site :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: tom at supertom.com [mailto:tom at supertom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:16 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs


I can't speak for everyone, and I'm certainly not beating up on Matthew (the
fellow who posted about the PCs), but the gist that I got from that post was
that the machines were free (as they were "saved"), and I was actually in
the process in researching how we could use those for LIPHP (meeting
tonight, BTW, www.liphp.org - shameless plug!).  FWIW, I feel $250 can go
alot further than that in the PC space.

Tom

http://www.liphp.org




-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:07 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs


I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a giveaway
of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted
about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an
email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the post showing
that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, spare me!


On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:

> Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are
> forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets see $250 x
> 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please
> Do!!!!!
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight wrote:
>
>> Hey Dan -
>>
>> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
>>
>> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
>>
>> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
>>
>> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited memory, etc...
>>
>> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no
>> problem.
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Analysis & Solutions [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>>
>> Hi Matthew:
>>
>> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable
>> South
>> Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and resells if
>> possible) used items.
>>
>> http://www.ssbx.org/
>>
>> --Dan
>>
>> --
>>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
>>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
>>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>








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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Wed May 28 14:23:22 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:23:22 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D84@pcsnet>

dont knock it... 

as a developer keeping up with every enduser bell and whistle i'm glad to
see a page getting to the point...

besides i bet the the php script is pretty straight forward ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo 
> [mailto:Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 May, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> 
> 
> Wow, you are a real minimalist when it comes to a web site :-)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom at supertom.com [mailto:tom at supertom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:16 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> 
> 
> I can't speak for everyone, and I'm certainly not beating up 
> on Matthew (the
> fellow who posted about the PCs), but the gist that I got 
> from that post was
> that the machines were free (as they were "saved"), and I was 
> actually in
> the process in researching how we could use those for LIPHP (meeting
> tonight, BTW, www.liphp.org - shameless plug!).  FWIW, I feel 
> $250 can go
> alot further than that in the PC space.
> 
> Tom
> 
> http://www.liphp.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:07 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> 
> 
> I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a giveaway
> of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted
> about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an
> email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the post showing
> that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, 
> spare me!
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:
> 
> > Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are
> > forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets 
> see $250 x
> > 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please
> > Do!!!!!
> > On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Dan -
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
> >>
> >> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
> >>
> >> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
> >>
> >> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited 
> memory, etc...
> >>
> >> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no
> >> problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Analysis & Solutions 
> [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> >> To: NYPHP Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> >>
> >> Hi Matthew:
> >>
> >> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable
> >> South
> >> Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and 
> resells if
> >> possible) used items.
> >>
> >> http://www.ssbx.org/
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> --
> >>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O 
> M P A N Y
> >>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 
> 718-854-0409
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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Wed May 28 14:26:37 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:26:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2DF7@USA1370MS1>

The conspiracy is if the pages are even PHP ... hmm.

-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:23 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs


dont knock it... 

as a developer keeping up with every enduser bell and whistle i'm glad to
see a page getting to the point...

besides i bet the the php script is pretty straight forward ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo 
> [mailto:Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 May, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> 
> 
> Wow, you are a real minimalist when it comes to a web site :-)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom at supertom.com [mailto:tom at supertom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:16 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> 
> 
> I can't speak for everyone, and I'm certainly not beating up 
> on Matthew (the
> fellow who posted about the PCs), but the gist that I got 
> from that post was
> that the machines were free (as they were "saved"), and I was 
> actually in
> the process in researching how we could use those for LIPHP (meeting
> tonight, BTW, www.liphp.org - shameless plug!).  FWIW, I feel 
> $250 can go
> alot further than that in the PC space.
> 
> Tom
> 
> http://www.liphp.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:07 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> 
> 
> I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a giveaway
> of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted
> about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an
> email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the post showing
> that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, 
> spare me!
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:
> 
> > Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are
> > forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets 
> see $250 x
> > 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please
> > Do!!!!!
> > On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Dan -
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
> >>
> >> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
> >>
> >> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
> >>
> >> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited 
> memory, etc...
> >>
> >> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no
> >> problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Analysis & Solutions 
> [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> >> To: NYPHP Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> >>
> >> Hi Matthew:
> >>
> >> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable
> >> South
> >> Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and 
> resells if
> >> possible) used items.
> >>
> >> http://www.ssbx.org/
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> --
> >>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O 
> M P A N Y
> >>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 
> 718-854-0409
> >>
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> 



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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Wed May 28 14:35:00 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:35:00 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D85@pcsnet>

the site uses the most horrifying of terms on this page:

http://www.liphp.org/mailman/listinfo/liphp

'python powered'   AAAAHHGGHG!!!

LOL... ok python is weird but it's interesting.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo 
> [mailto:Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 May, 2003 11:28 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> 
> 
> The conspiracy is if the pages are even PHP ... hmm.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:23 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> 
> 
> dont knock it... 
> 
> as a developer keeping up with every enduser bell and whistle 
> i'm glad to
> see a page getting to the point...
> 
> besides i bet the the php script is pretty straight forward ;)
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo 
> > [mailto:Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, 28 May, 2003 11:19 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> > 
> > 
> > Wow, you are a real minimalist when it comes to a web site :-)
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: tom at supertom.com [mailto:tom at supertom.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:16 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> > 
> > 
> > I can't speak for everyone, and I'm certainly not beating up 
> > on Matthew (the
> > fellow who posted about the PCs), but the gist that I got 
> > from that post was
> > that the machines were free (as they were "saved"), and I was 
> > actually in
> > the process in researching how we could use those for LIPHP (meeting
> > tonight, BTW, www.liphp.org - shameless plug!).  FWIW, I feel 
> > $250 can go
> > alot further than that in the PC space.
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
> > http://www.liphp.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:07 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> > 
> > 
> > I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been 
> a giveaway
> > of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else 
> had posted
> > about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the 
> end of an
> > email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the 
> post showing
> > that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, 
> > spare me!
> > 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:
> > 
> > > Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are
> > > forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets 
> > see $250 x
> > > 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please
> > > Do!!!!!
> > > On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hey Dan -
> > >>
> > >> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
> > >>
> > >> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
> > >>
> > >> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited 
> > memory, etc...
> > >>
> > >> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no
> > >> problem.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Matt
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Analysis & Solutions 
> > [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> > >> To: NYPHP Talk
> > >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> > >>
> > >> Hi Matthew:
> > >>
> > >> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact 
> Sustainable
> > >> South
> > >> Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and 
> > resells if
> > >> possible) used items.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.ssbx.org/
> > >>
> > >> --Dan
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> > >>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> > >>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O 
> > M P A N Y
> > >>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 
> > 718-854-0409
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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From tom at supertom.com  Wed May 28 14:31:40 2003
From: tom at supertom.com (tom at supertom.com)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:31:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LIPHP Was:  Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305281824.h4SINRZN045384@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <LBEDJMJGLEPEKJAJMHBDCEOEENAA.tom@supertom.com>

The site isn't in that state by choice - we are actually forming a group to
help develop it now.  But you are right, Malcolm, the new design will
definitely have the "important stuff" prominently displayed on the home
page.

As always, anyone (newbie or experienced) on LI (or in the area for the
meetings, anyway) is welcome to the meetings or to help develop the site.

http://www.liphp.org for more info.





-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:23 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs


dont knock it...

as a developer keeping up with every enduser bell and whistle i'm glad to
see a page getting to the point...

besides i bet the the php script is pretty straight forward ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo
> [mailto:Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 May, 2003 11:19 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
>
> Wow, you are a real minimalist when it comes to a web site :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom at supertom.com [mailto:tom at supertom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:16 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
>
> I can't speak for everyone, and I'm certainly not beating up
> on Matthew (the
> fellow who posted about the PCs), but the gist that I got
> from that post was
> that the machines were free (as they were "saved"), and I was
> actually in
> the process in researching how we could use those for LIPHP (meeting
> tonight, BTW, www.liphp.org - shameless plug!).  FWIW, I feel
> $250 can go
> alot further than that in the PC space.
>
> Tom
>
> http://www.liphp.org
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:07 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
>
> I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a giveaway
> of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted
> about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an
> email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the post showing
> that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE,
> spare me!
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:
>
> > Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are
> > forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets
> see $250 x
> > 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please
> > Do!!!!!
> > On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Dan -
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
> >>
> >> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
> >>
> >> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
> >>
> >> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited
> memory, etc...
> >>
> >> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no
> >> problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Analysis & Solutions
> [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> >> To: NYPHP Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> >>
> >> Hi Matthew:
> >>
> >> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable
> >> South
> >> Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and
> resells if
> >> possible) used items.
> >>
> >> http://www.ssbx.org/
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> --
> >>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O
> M P A N Y
> >>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f:
> 718-854-0409
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From matt at reconstrukt.com  Wed May 28 14:54:13 2003
From: matt at reconstrukt.com (Matthew Knight)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:54:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305281816.h4SIFuYd043015@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <006b01c3254a$88143860$4501a8c0@reconstrukt.com>

Hello everyone,

I never meant to be misleading, so I sincerely apologize if anyone had
thought they were being given away.

Considering the large number of "hobbyists" on this list, I thought this
was a good opportunity for someone to get a slick LAMP server
up-and-running for cheap.  
 
(All things considered, with the case, the motherboard/memory/NICs we're
throwing in, it's a pretty good deal.)

And, when running Linux, they're *superfast*.  ...I thought you all were
true believers?  You should know how to tune Linux to *scream* on a PI.

And if you don't, I'm available for tutoring @ $150 / hour.

HA!  Kidding, people, kidding.

Matt
 


***************************
Matthew Knight
Reconstrukt, LLC
P.O. Box 334
Larchmont, NY 10538
www.reconstrukt.com
matt at reconstrukt.com
24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700


-----Original Message-----
From: tom at supertom.com [mailto:tom at supertom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:16 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs

I can't speak for everyone, and I'm certainly not beating up on Matthew
(the
fellow who posted about the PCs), but the gist that I got from that post
was
that the machines were free (as they were "saved"), and I was actually
in
the process in researching how we could use those for LIPHP (meeting
tonight, BTW, www.liphp.org - shameless plug!).  FWIW, I feel $250 can
go
alot further than that in the PC space.

Tom

http://www.liphp.org




-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:07 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs


I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a giveaway
of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted
about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an
email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the post showing
that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, spare me!


On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:

> Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are
> forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets see $250 x
> 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please
> Do!!!!!
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight wrote:
>
>> Hey Dan -
>>
>> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
>>
>> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
>>
>> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
>>
>> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited memory,
etc...
>>
>> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no
>> problem.
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Analysis & Solutions [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
>> To: NYPHP Talk
>> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>>
>> Hi Matthew:
>>
>> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable
>> South
>> Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and resells if
>> possible) used items.
>>
>> http://www.ssbx.org/
>>
>> --Dan
>>
>> --
>>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
>>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
>>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>








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From jonathan at hirschman.net  Wed May 28 15:57:36 2003
From: jonathan at hirschman.net (jonathan)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:57:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305281856.h4SIu0Tv048967@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0305281550060.13122-100000@202.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa>


I hate to thread-crap, but this last email really capped it for me :)

If someone on this list knows enough to run Linux and tune it, they also
know that they can buy something like this:

http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/checkercube/checker.html

...and put in a $50 closeout drive, along with $20 stick of closeout RAM,
and end up with something faster, with more storage, and a longer shelf
life. And it also looks pretty good. And silent.

The bottom line is that your boxes are not worth $250. They are worth a
lot less, if anything at all.

As previously suggested: go to eBay and sell them to the
non-able-to-tune-linux suckers there. Enough of this. Thanks.

Sorry for the grumpiness, but this really pushed a button.

jonathan


On Wed, 28 May 2003, Matthew Knight wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I never meant to be misleading, so I sincerely apologize if anyone had
> thought they were being given away.
>
> Considering the large number of "hobbyists" on this list, I thought this
> was a good opportunity for someone to get a slick LAMP server
> up-and-running for cheap.
>
> (All things considered, with the case, the motherboard/memory/NICs we're
> throwing in, it's a pretty good deal.)
>
> And, when running Linux, they're *superfast*.  ...I thought you all were
> true believers?  You should know how to tune Linux to *scream* on a PI.
>
> And if you don't, I'm available for tutoring @ $150 / hour.
>
> HA!  Kidding, people, kidding.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> ***************************
> Matthew Knight
> Reconstrukt, LLC
> P.O. Box 334
> Larchmont, NY 10538
> www.reconstrukt.com
> matt at reconstrukt.com
> 24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom at supertom.com [mailto:tom at supertom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:16 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
> I can't speak for everyone, and I'm certainly not beating up on Matthew
> (the
> fellow who posted about the PCs), but the gist that I got from that post
> was
> that the machines were free (as they were "saved"), and I was actually
> in
> the process in researching how we could use those for LIPHP (meeting
> tonight, BTW, www.liphp.org - shameless plug!).  FWIW, I feel $250 can
> go
> alot further than that in the PC space.
>
> Tom
>
> http://www.liphp.org
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:07 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
>
> I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a giveaway
> of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted
> about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an
> email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the post showing
> that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, spare me!
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:
>
> > Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are
> > forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets see $250 x
> > 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please
> > Do!!!!!
> > On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Dan -
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
> >>
> >> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
> >>
> >> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
> >>
> >> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited memory,
> etc...
> >>
> >> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no
> >> problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Analysis & Solutions [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> >> To: NYPHP Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> >>
> >> Hi Matthew:
> >>
> >> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable
> >> South
> >> Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and resells if
> >> possible) used items.
> >>
> >> http://www.ssbx.org/
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> --
> >>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> >>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
> >>
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From psaw at pswebcode.com  Wed May 28 15:45:23 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:45:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305281940.h4SJchYP050552@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000201c32551$ae5fd2c0$4cbdfea9@bronco>

I thin, Mr. Knight, you should be silent and step away.

-----Original Message-----
From: jonathan [mailto:jonathan at hirschman.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:39 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs



I hate to thread-crap, but this last email really capped it for me :)

If someone on this list knows enough to run Linux and tune it, they also
know that they can buy something like this:

http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/checkercube/checker.html

..and put in a $50 closeout drive, along with $20 stick of closeout RAM,
and end up with something faster, with more storage, and a longer shelf
life. And it also looks pretty good. And silent.

The bottom line is that your boxes are not worth $250. They are worth a
lot less, if anything at all.

As previously suggested: go to eBay and sell them to the
non-able-to-tune-linux suckers there. Enough of this. Thanks.

Sorry for the grumpiness, but this really pushed a button.

jonathan


On Wed, 28 May 2003, Matthew Knight wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I never meant to be misleading, so I sincerely apologize if anyone had

> thought they were being given away.
>
> Considering the large number of "hobbyists" on this list, I thought 
> this was a good opportunity for someone to get a slick LAMP server 
> up-and-running for cheap.
>
> (All things considered, with the case, the motherboard/memory/NICs 
> we're throwing in, it's a pretty good deal.)
>
> And, when running Linux, they're *superfast*.  ...I thought you all 
> were true believers?  You should know how to tune Linux to *scream* on

> a PI.
>
> And if you don't, I'm available for tutoring @ $150 / hour.
>
> HA!  Kidding, people, kidding.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> ***************************
> Matthew Knight
> Reconstrukt, LLC
> P.O. Box 334
> Larchmont, NY 10538
> www.reconstrukt.com
> matt at reconstrukt.com
> 24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom at supertom.com [mailto:tom at supertom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:16 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
> I can't speak for everyone, and I'm certainly not beating up on 
> Matthew (the fellow who posted about the PCs), but the gist that I got

> from that post was
> that the machines were free (as they were "saved"), and I was actually
> in
> the process in researching how we could use those for LIPHP (meeting
> tonight, BTW, www.liphp.org - shameless plug!).  FWIW, I feel $250 can
> go
> alot further than that in the PC space.
>
> Tom
>
> http://www.liphp.org
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:07 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
>
> I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a giveaway

> of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted 
> about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an 
> email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the post showing

> that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, spare 
> me!
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:
>
> > Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are 
> > forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets see $250

> > x 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please 
> > Do!!!!! On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Dan -
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
> >>
> >> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
> >>
> >> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
> >>
> >> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited memory,
> etc...
> >>
> >> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no 
> >> problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Analysis & Solutions 
> >> [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> >> To: NYPHP Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> >>
> >> Hi Matthew:
> >>
> >> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable 
> >> South Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and 
> >> resells if
> >> possible) used items.
> >>
> >> http://www.ssbx.org/
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> --
> >>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N
Y
> >>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f:
718-854-0409
> >>
> >>
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From Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com  Wed May 28 15:54:46 2003
From: Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com (Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:54:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
Message-ID: <E9068ECDE14FD51198D800508BAEEAD7033F2DFD@USA1370MS1>

I think this is all just a big miscommunication.  I believe Mr. Knight has a
good intention and is genuinely trying to offer all of us a good deal for
boxes that can be very useful as Linux server.  

Now that we establishes that the price of $250 is not a good deal, perhaps
Mr. Knight can reevaluate the price and offer us the good deal he has
originally intended.  Perhaps someone more familiar with the market price
can tell us what a good price would be.

I am sure some of us here can use a good test system.  Personally, I do not
mind if members try to share the wealth and offer good deals to other
members.  Of couse we are only talking about items related to LAMP.

Cheers!

:-)



-----Original Message-----
From: pswebcode, nyc [mailto:psaw at pswebcode.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:45 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs


I thin, Mr. Knight, you should be silent and step away.

-----Original Message-----
From: jonathan [mailto:jonathan at hirschman.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:39 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs



I hate to thread-crap, but this last email really capped it for me :)

If someone on this list knows enough to run Linux and tune it, they also
know that they can buy something like this:

http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/checkercube/checker.html

.and put in a $50 closeout drive, along with $20 stick of closeout RAM,
and end up with something faster, with more storage, and a longer shelf
life. And it also looks pretty good. And silent.

The bottom line is that your boxes are not worth $250. They are worth a
lot less, if anything at all.

As previously suggested: go to eBay and sell them to the
non-able-to-tune-linux suckers there. Enough of this. Thanks.

Sorry for the grumpiness, but this really pushed a button.

jonathan


On Wed, 28 May 2003, Matthew Knight wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I never meant to be misleading, so I sincerely apologize if anyone had

> thought they were being given away.
>
> Considering the large number of "hobbyists" on this list, I thought 
> this was a good opportunity for someone to get a slick LAMP server 
> up-and-running for cheap.
>
> (All things considered, with the case, the motherboard/memory/NICs 
> we're throwing in, it's a pretty good deal.)
>
> And, when running Linux, they're *superfast*.  ...I thought you all 
> were true believers?  You should know how to tune Linux to *scream* on

> a PI.
>
> And if you don't, I'm available for tutoring @ $150 / hour.
>
> HA!  Kidding, people, kidding.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> ***************************
> Matthew Knight
> Reconstrukt, LLC
> P.O. Box 334
> Larchmont, NY 10538
> www.reconstrukt.com
> matt at reconstrukt.com
> 24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom at supertom.com [mailto:tom at supertom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:16 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
> I can't speak for everyone, and I'm certainly not beating up on 
> Matthew (the fellow who posted about the PCs), but the gist that I got

> from that post was
> that the machines were free (as they were "saved"), and I was actually
> in
> the process in researching how we could use those for LIPHP (meeting
> tonight, BTW, www.liphp.org - shameless plug!).  FWIW, I feel $250 can
> go
> alot further than that in the PC space.
>
> Tom
>
> http://www.liphp.org
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:07 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
>
> I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a giveaway

> of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted 
> about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an 
> email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the post showing

> that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, spare 
> me!
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:
>
> > Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are 
> > forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets see $250

> > x 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please 
> > Do!!!!! On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Dan -
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
> >>
> >> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
> >>
> >> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
> >>
> >> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited memory,
> etc...
> >>
> >> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no 
> >> problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Analysis & Solutions 
> >> [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> >> To: NYPHP Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> >>
> >> Hi Matthew:
> >>
> >> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable 
> >> South Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and 
> >> resells if
> >> possible) used items.
> >>
> >> http://www.ssbx.org/
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> --
> >>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N
Y
> >>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f:
718-854-0409
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>









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From psaw at pswebcode.com  Wed May 28 16:02:38 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:02:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305281956.h4SJtRYP052348@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001101c32554$1721d680$4cbdfea9@bronco>

No. I believe direct marketing is not the function of this support list.
I also believe that deportment is also anticipated in this type of
public venue. Members who want/need direct marketing solicitations have
unlimited alternative venues.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo [mailto:Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:55 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs


I think this is all just a big miscommunication.  I believe Mr. Knight
has a good intention and is genuinely trying to offer all of us a good
deal for boxes that can be very useful as Linux server.  

Now that we establishes that the price of $250 is not a good deal,
perhaps Mr. Knight can reevaluate the price and offer us the good deal
he has originally intended.  Perhaps someone more familiar with the
market price can tell us what a good price would be.

I am sure some of us here can use a good test system.  Personally, I do
not mind if members try to share the wealth and offer good deals to
other members.  Of couse we are only talking about items related to
LAMP.

Cheers!

:-)



-----Original Message-----
From: pswebcode, nyc [mailto:psaw at pswebcode.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:45 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs


I thin, Mr. Knight, you should be silent and step away.

-----Original Message-----
From: jonathan [mailto:jonathan at hirschman.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:39 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs



I hate to thread-crap, but this last email really capped it for me :)

If someone on this list knows enough to run Linux and tune it, they also
know that they can buy something like this:

http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/checkercube/checker.html

and put in a $50 closeout drive, along with $20 stick of closeout RAM,
and end up with something faster, with more storage, and a longer shelf
life. And it also looks pretty good. And silent.

The bottom line is that your boxes are not worth $250. They are worth a
lot less, if anything at all.

As previously suggested: go to eBay and sell them to the
non-able-to-tune-linux suckers there. Enough of this. Thanks.

Sorry for the grumpiness, but this really pushed a button.

jonathan


On Wed, 28 May 2003, Matthew Knight wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I never meant to be misleading, so I sincerely apologize if anyone had

> thought they were being given away.
>
> Considering the large number of "hobbyists" on this list, I thought
> this was a good opportunity for someone to get a slick LAMP server 
> up-and-running for cheap.
>
> (All things considered, with the case, the motherboard/memory/NICs
> we're throwing in, it's a pretty good deal.)
>
> And, when running Linux, they're *superfast*.  ...I thought you all
> were true believers?  You should know how to tune Linux to *scream* on

> a PI.
>
> And if you don't, I'm available for tutoring @ $150 / hour.
>
> HA!  Kidding, people, kidding.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> ***************************
> Matthew Knight
> Reconstrukt, LLC
> P.O. Box 334
> Larchmont, NY 10538
> www.reconstrukt.com
> matt at reconstrukt.com
> 24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom at supertom.com [mailto:tom at supertom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:16 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
> I can't speak for everyone, and I'm certainly not beating up on
> Matthew (the fellow who posted about the PCs), but the gist that I got

> from that post was
> that the machines were free (as they were "saved"), and I was actually

> in the process in researching how we could use those for LIPHP 
> (meeting tonight, BTW, www.liphp.org - shameless plug!).  FWIW, I feel

> $250 can go
> alot further than that in the PC space.
>
> Tom
>
> http://www.liphp.org
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:07 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
>
> I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a giveaway

> of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted
> about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an 
> email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the post showing

> that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, spare
> me!
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:
>
> > Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are
> > forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets see $250

> > x 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please
> > Do!!!!! On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Dan -
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
> >>
> >> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
> >>
> >> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
> >>
> >> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited memory,
> etc...
> >>
> >> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no
> >> problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Analysis & Solutions
> >> [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> >> To: NYPHP Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> >>
> >> Hi Matthew:
> >>
> >> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable
> >> South Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and 
> >> resells if
> >> possible) used items.
> >>
> >> http://www.ssbx.org/
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> --
> >>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N
Y
> >>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f:
718-854-0409
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us  Wed May 28 16:02:30 2003
From: jkelly at sussex.cc.nj.us (jessica kelly)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:02:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
Message-ID: <sed4dd98.046@mail.sussex.edu>

I was reamed out someone who said that you should not sell or even try to promote (they were in error as I was only responding to a question) on this list.

I agree fully with that idea and think that this should be enforced and this thread ended. I get plenty of offers to buy something useless via spam.

Jessica
_______________________________________________
>>> Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com 5/28/03 3:55:27 PM >>>
I think this is all just a big miscommunication.  I believe Mr. Knight has a
good intention and is genuinely trying to offer all of us a good deal for
boxes that can be very useful as Linux server.  

Now that we establishes that the price of $250 is not a good deal, perhaps
Mr. Knight can reevaluate the price and offer us the good deal he has
originally intended.  Perhaps someone more familiar with the market price
can tell us what a good price would be.

I am sure some of us here can use a good test system.  Personally, I do not
mind if members try to share the wealth and offer good deals to other
members.  Of couse we are only talking about items related to LAMP.

Cheers!

:-)



-----Original Message-----
From: pswebcode, nyc [mailto:psaw at pswebcode.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:45 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs


I thin, Mr. Knight, you should be silent and step away.

-----Original Message-----
From: jonathan [mailto:jonathan at hirschman.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:39 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs



I hate to thread-crap, but this last email really capped it for me :)

If someone on this list knows enough to run Linux and tune it, they also
know that they can buy something like this:

http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/checkercube/checker.html 

and put in a $50 closeout drive, along with $20 stick of closeout RAM,
and end up with something faster, with more storage, and a longer shelf
life. And it also looks pretty good. And silent.

The bottom line is that your boxes are not worth $250. They are worth a
lot less, if anything at all.

As previously suggested: go to eBay and sell them to the
non-able-to-tune-linux suckers there. Enough of this. Thanks.

Sorry for the grumpiness, but this really pushed a button.

jonathan


On Wed, 28 May 2003, Matthew Knight wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I never meant to be misleading, so I sincerely apologize if anyone had

> thought they were being given away.
>
> Considering the large number of "hobbyists" on this list, I thought 
> this was a good opportunity for someone to get a slick LAMP server 
> up-and-running for cheap.
>
> (All things considered, with the case, the motherboard/memory/NICs 
> we're throwing in, it's a pretty good deal.)
>
> And, when running Linux, they're *superfast*.  ...I thought you all 
> were true believers?  You should know how to tune Linux to *scream* on

> a PI.
>
> And if you don't, I'm available for tutoring @ $150 / hour.
>
> HA!  Kidding, people, kidding.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> ***************************
> Matthew Knight
> Reconstrukt, LLC
> P.O. Box 334
> Larchmont, NY 10538
> www.reconstrukt.com 
> matt at reconstrukt.com 
> 24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom at supertom.com [mailto:tom at supertom.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:16 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
> I can't speak for everyone, and I'm certainly not beating up on 
> Matthew (the fellow who posted about the PCs), but the gist that I got

> from that post was
> that the machines were free (as they were "saved"), and I was actually
> in
> the process in researching how we could use those for LIPHP (meeting
> tonight, BTW, www.liphp.org - shameless plug!).  FWIW, I feel $250 can
> go
> alot further than that in the PC space.
>
> Tom
>
> http://www.liphp.org 
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:07 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
>
> I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a giveaway

> of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted 
> about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an 
> email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the post showing

> that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, spare 
> me!
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:
>
> > Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are 
> > forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets see $250

> > x 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please 
> > Do!!!!! On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Dan -
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
> >>
> >> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
> >>
> >> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/ 
> >>
> >> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited memory,
> etc...
> >>
> >> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no 
> >> problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Analysis & Solutions 
> >> [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com] 
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> >> To: NYPHP Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> >>
> >> Hi Matthew:
> >>
> >> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable 
> >> South Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and 
> >> resells if
> >> possible) used items.
> >>
> >> http://www.ssbx.org/ 
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> --
> >>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/ 
> >>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N
Y
> >>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f:
718-854-0409
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From chris at psydeshow.org  Wed May 28 16:13:38 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:13:38 -0400
Subject: ImageMagick Info (attn: Matt Zimmerman)
Message-ID: <3ED51872.3000609@psydeshow.org>

The topic of ImageMagick came up at last night's meeting, as a way for 
PHP to work with images.
http://www.imagemagick.org/

I recommend it highly, as it is meant to be scriptable via the command 
line (and therefore via PHP shell_exec()). It's really a suite of 
commands-- the ones you're probably most interested in are convert and 
identify.

For instance, when someone uploads an image to fotola.com, here's the 
call that resizes and/or rotates it, strips any IPTC or APP16 headers, 
and compresses it at medium compression:

$command= "/usr/local/bin/convert jpeg:$tempfile -rotate $rotate 
-geometry \\"500x500>\\" -quality 95 +profile \\"*\\" jpeg:$filename"
exec($command);

 - $rotate is some number of degrees
 - the > after 500x500 means resize only if the image doesn't fit in the 
500x500 box
 - resizing is automatically proportional
 - the +profile "*" option strips all extra info from the image (making 
it 2-3KB smaller)
 - Be sure to properly escape all user input to exec() calls!!!

There is a PHP extension (coauthored by Michael Montero of Community 
Connect, no less)  that makes ImageMagick accessible to PHP without the 
exec calls, but I haven't used it yet-- might be much easier.
http://pear.php.net/package-info.php?pacid=76


    chris.



From matt at reconstrukt.com  Wed May 28 16:17:23 2003
From: matt at reconstrukt.com (Matthew Knight)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:17:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305281956.h4SJtRYd052348@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <007401c32556$26d982b0$4501a8c0@reconstrukt.com>

Thanks, Pinyo

And yes, we have accepted every offer we've received thus far, it does
clearly state that on the page), and yes, maybe $250 was a bit steep.  

Whatever, no big deal.

Oh - and jonathan, your notes on how to build a slick cube server were
well received here.  Thanks for your colorful creativity.  (By the way,
my initial comments on screaming LAMP servers on a PI was a joke. :) )

And - pswebcode guy ("Be silent and step away") - chill, man.  Put away
your light saber, this isn't a duel.  You're taking this a little too
personally. 

In fact, I've emailed a few off of this list, making non-profit contacts
that will happily take them in after we attempt to sell a few.  Donation
is definitely in store for most of these boxes, we do a *lot* of
pro-bono work over here @ Reconstrukt.

In fact, this whole thing is ridiculous!  The intention wasn't to take
up more than a single email's worth of list space - this is why I told
people to email me "off list".  ...I think the moaning and groaning from
the dissenting list members took up more space than our so-called (in
pswebcode's words) "direct marketing" did.

Peace be with everyone! :D

Matt 
 




***************************
Matthew Knight
Reconstrukt, LLC
P.O. Box 334
Larchmont, NY 10538
www.reconstrukt.com
matt at reconstrukt.com
24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700


-----Original Message-----
From: Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo [mailto:Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:55 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs

I think this is all just a big miscommunication.  I believe Mr. Knight
has a
good intention and is genuinely trying to offer all of us a good deal
for
boxes that can be very useful as Linux server.  

Now that we establishes that the price of $250 is not a good deal,
perhaps
Mr. Knight can reevaluate the price and offer us the good deal he has
originally intended.  Perhaps someone more familiar with the market
price
can tell us what a good price would be.

I am sure some of us here can use a good test system.  Personally, I do
not
mind if members try to share the wealth and offer good deals to other
members.  Of couse we are only talking about items related to LAMP.

Cheers!

:-)



-----Original Message-----
From: pswebcode, nyc [mailto:psaw at pswebcode.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:45 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs


I thin, Mr. Knight, you should be silent and step away.

-----Original Message-----
From: jonathan [mailto:jonathan at hirschman.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:39 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs



I hate to thread-crap, but this last email really capped it for me :)

If someone on this list knows enough to run Linux and tune it, they also
know that they can buy something like this:

http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/checkercube/checker.html

and put in a $50 closeout drive, along with $20 stick of closeout RAM,
and end up with something faster, with more storage, and a longer shelf
life. And it also looks pretty good. And silent.

The bottom line is that your boxes are not worth $250. They are worth a
lot less, if anything at all.

As previously suggested: go to eBay and sell them to the
non-able-to-tune-linux suckers there. Enough of this. Thanks.

Sorry for the grumpiness, but this really pushed a button.

jonathan


On Wed, 28 May 2003, Matthew Knight wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I never meant to be misleading, so I sincerely apologize if anyone had

> thought they were being given away.
>
> Considering the large number of "hobbyists" on this list, I thought 
> this was a good opportunity for someone to get a slick LAMP server 
> up-and-running for cheap.
>
> (All things considered, with the case, the motherboard/memory/NICs 
> we're throwing in, it's a pretty good deal.)
>
> And, when running Linux, they're *superfast*.  ...I thought you all 
> were true believers?  You should know how to tune Linux to *scream* on

> a PI.
>
> And if you don't, I'm available for tutoring @ $150 / hour.
>
> HA!  Kidding, people, kidding.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> ***************************
> Matthew Knight
> Reconstrukt, LLC
> P.O. Box 334
> Larchmont, NY 10538
> www.reconstrukt.com
> matt at reconstrukt.com
> 24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom at supertom.com [mailto:tom at supertom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:16 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
> I can't speak for everyone, and I'm certainly not beating up on 
> Matthew (the fellow who posted about the PCs), but the gist that I got

> from that post was
> that the machines were free (as they were "saved"), and I was actually
> in
> the process in researching how we could use those for LIPHP (meeting
> tonight, BTW, www.liphp.org - shameless plug!).  FWIW, I feel $250 can
> go
> alot further than that in the PC space.
>
> Tom
>
> http://www.liphp.org
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:07 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
>
> I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a giveaway

> of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted 
> about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an 
> email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the post showing

> that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, spare 
> me!
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:
>
> > Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are 
> > forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets see $250

> > x 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please 
> > Do!!!!! On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Dan -
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
> >>
> >> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
> >>
> >> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
> >>
> >> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited memory,
> etc...
> >>
> >> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no 
> >> problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Analysis & Solutions 
> >> [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> >> To: NYPHP Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> >>
> >> Hi Matthew:
> >>
> >> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable 
> >> South Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and 
> >> resells if
> >> possible) used items.
> >>
> >> http://www.ssbx.org/
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> --
> >>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N
Y
> >>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f:
718-854-0409
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>













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From psaw at pswebcode.com  Wed May 28 16:25:46 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:25:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
In-Reply-To: <200305282019.h4SKJBYP055892@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <001c01c32557$52b79010$4cbdfea9@bronco>

Viola.

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Knight [mailto:matt at reconstrukt.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:19 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs


Thanks, Pinyo

And yes, we have accepted every offer we've received thus far, it does
clearly state that on the page), and yes, maybe $250 was a bit steep.  

Whatever, no big deal.

Oh - and jonathan, your notes on how to build a slick cube server were
well received here.  Thanks for your colorful creativity.  (By the way,
my initial comments on screaming LAMP servers on a PI was a joke. :) )

And - pswebcode guy ("Be silent and step away") - chill, man.  Put away
your light saber, this isn't a duel.  You're taking this a little too
personally. 

In fact, I've emailed a few off of this list, making non-profit contacts
that will happily take them in after we attempt to sell a few.  Donation
is definitely in store for most of these boxes, we do a *lot* of
pro-bono work over here @ Reconstrukt.

In fact, this whole thing is ridiculous!  The intention wasn't to take
up more than a single email's worth of list space - this is why I told
people to email me "off list".  ...I think the moaning and groaning from
the dissenting list members took up more space than our so-called (in
pswebcode's words) "direct marketing" did.

Peace be with everyone! :D

Matt 
 




***************************
Matthew Knight
Reconstrukt, LLC
P.O. Box 334
Larchmont, NY 10538
www.reconstrukt.com
matt at reconstrukt.com
24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700


-----Original Message-----
From: Bhulipongsanon, Pinyo [mailto:Pinyo.Bhulipongsanon at usa.xerox.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:55 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs

I think this is all just a big miscommunication.  I believe Mr. Knight
has a good intention and is genuinely trying to offer all of us a good
deal for boxes that can be very useful as Linux server.  

Now that we establishes that the price of $250 is not a good deal,
perhaps Mr. Knight can reevaluate the price and offer us the good deal
he has originally intended.  Perhaps someone more familiar with the
market price can tell us what a good price would be.

I am sure some of us here can use a good test system.  Personally, I do
not mind if members try to share the wealth and offer good deals to
other members.  Of couse we are only talking about items related to
LAMP.

Cheers!

:-)



-----Original Message-----
From: pswebcode, nyc [mailto:psaw at pswebcode.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:45 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs


I thin, Mr. Knight, you should be silent and step away.

-----Original Message-----
From: jonathan [mailto:jonathan at hirschman.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:39 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs



I hate to thread-crap, but this last email really capped it for me :)

If someone on this list knows enough to run Linux and tune it, they also
know that they can buy something like this:

http://www.caseoutlet.com/NWPc/checkercube/checker.html

and put in a $50 closeout drive, along with $20 stick of closeout RAM,
and end up with something faster, with more storage, and a longer shelf
life. And it also looks pretty good. And silent.

The bottom line is that your boxes are not worth $250. They are worth a
lot less, if anything at all.

As previously suggested: go to eBay and sell them to the
non-able-to-tune-linux suckers there. Enough of this. Thanks.

Sorry for the grumpiness, but this really pushed a button.

jonathan


On Wed, 28 May 2003, Matthew Knight wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I never meant to be misleading, so I sincerely apologize if anyone had

> thought they were being given away.
>
> Considering the large number of "hobbyists" on this list, I thought
> this was a good opportunity for someone to get a slick LAMP server 
> up-and-running for cheap.
>
> (All things considered, with the case, the motherboard/memory/NICs
> we're throwing in, it's a pretty good deal.)
>
> And, when running Linux, they're *superfast*.  ...I thought you all
> were true believers?  You should know how to tune Linux to *scream* on

> a PI.
>
> And if you don't, I'm available for tutoring @ $150 / hour.
>
> HA!  Kidding, people, kidding.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> ***************************
> Matthew Knight
> Reconstrukt, LLC
> P.O. Box 334
> Larchmont, NY 10538
> www.reconstrukt.com
> matt at reconstrukt.com
> 24-hr fax/fon: 866.212.1700
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom at supertom.com [mailto:tom at supertom.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:16 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
> I can't speak for everyone, and I'm certainly not beating up on
> Matthew (the fellow who posted about the PCs), but the gist that I got

> from that post was
> that the machines were free (as they were "saved"), and I was actually

> in the process in researching how we could use those for LIPHP 
> (meeting tonight, BTW, www.liphp.org - shameless plug!).  FWIW, I feel

> $250 can go
> alot further than that in the PC space.
>
> Tom
>
> http://www.liphp.org
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Fischer [mailto:agfische at email.smith.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:07 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
>
>
> I agree.  This isn't a place to sell stuff.  If it had been a giveaway

> of old stuff that was going to be trashed, as someone else had posted
> about six months ago, that makes sense to me.  I was at the end of an 
> email expressing my desire for two of them when I saw the post showing

> that there was a pricing sheet available on the web.  PLEASE, spare
> me!
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 14:01 US/Eastern, The Geek wrote:
>
> > Do we really need people selling there old stuff here.  There are
> > forums for that (Ebay comes to mind) this is not one.  Lets see $250

> > x 66 is $16,500.  I think you can afford to go else where.  Please
> > Do!!!!! On Wednesday, May 28, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Matthew Knight 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey Dan -
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, we're not giving them away...
> >>
> >> But we threw together a page with pricing, shipping details here:
> >>
> >> http://www.reconstrukt.com/blackbox/
> >>
> >> Also note that we're including the NIC cards, unlimited memory,
> etc...
> >>
> >> We'd also be willing to let you pick them up if you're local, no
> >> problem.
> >>
> >>
> >> Matt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Analysis & Solutions
> >> [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
> >> To: NYPHP Talk
> >> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Rescued: 66 black-anodized-steel PCs
> >>
> >> Hi Matthew:
> >>
> >> If you can't find individuals for all of them, contact Sustainable
> >> South Bronx.  They're a nonprofit that, in part, processes (and 
> >> resells if
> >> possible) used items.
> >>
> >> http://www.ssbx.org/
> >>
> >> --Dan
> >>
> >> --
> >>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N
Y
> >>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f:
718-854-0409
> >>
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From zaunere at yahoo.com  Wed May 28 22:56:29 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:56:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
In-Reply-To: <200305271927.h4RJQYXN093722@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030529025629.69642.qmail@web12806.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Sexton, David" <David.SextonJr at ubspw.com> wrote:
> >>>and there is no WHERE clause
> 
> Is this specific to MySQL, because I've used WHERE clauses with COUNT() in
> T-SQL... you should be able to specify a WHERE clause using MySQL also. I
> believe COUNT() is the same as selecting any other fields. The only
> difference is that it doesn't return actual data, only an integer, which
> makes it significantly faster if you're working with large result sets.

As others have mentioned, doing the COUNT in the DB (MySQL or any other) is
*much* faster, for the number of reasons mentioned.

COUNT uses internal database structures to do the calculations, making it the
fastest possible method.  Using WHERE or GROUP BY obviously would entail a
bit more work because it needs to be selective on the count, and can't simply
look at only internal table structures, but will remain the fastest method
for making a count in any DB.

H




> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Analysis & Solutions [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:16 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
> 
> 
> Hi Folks:
> 
> On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:51:01PM -0400, Malcolm, Gary wrote:
> > 1. don't use count(*) because mysql will pull all fields for every
> record...
> > 	use $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(col_name) FROM table_name");
> 
> That's not the case.  count(*) is preferable.  The manual says:
> 
> "COUNT(*) is somewhat different in that it returns a count of the number
> of rows retrieved, whether they contain NULL values. COUNT(*) is optimised
> to return very quickly if the SELECT retrieves from one table, no other
> columns are retrieved, and there is no WHERE clause. For example:
> 
> mysql> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM student;
> 
> ( from http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Group_by_functions.html )
> ( see also http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Counting_rows.html )
> 
> 
> > From: Nasir Zubair [mailto:lists at ny-tech.net]
> > >
> > > $result = mysql_query("SELECT col_name FROM table_name");
> > > $count = mysql_num_rows($result);
> > >
> . OR ...
> > >
> > > $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(*) FROM table_name");
> > > list($count) = mysql_fetch_row($result);
> 
> Now, which is better in your case depends on what you're doing.  If you
> JUST want to find out the rows, the latter is better.  If you're getting a
> bunch of data which you then intend to output, doing one query and then
> using mysql_num_rows() on it is probably more efficient.
> 
> --Dan
> 
> -- 
>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From nyphp at websapp.com  Thu May 29 08:40:31 2003
From: nyphp at websapp.com (Daniel Kushner)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 08:40:31 -0400
Subject: PHP 4.3.2 released
Message-ID: <OKEHLLMAFAOHECBMOGEPAEKFEJAA.nyphp@websapp.com>

After a lengthy QA process, PHP 4.3.2 is finally out!
This maintenance release solves a lot of bugs found in earlier PHP versions
and is a *strongly* recommended upgrade for all users of PHP.

PHP 4.3.2 contains, among others, following important fixes, additions and
improvements:

- Fixes several potentially hazardous integer and buffer overflows.
- Fixes for several 64-bit problems.
- New Apache 2.0 SAPI module (sapi/apache2handler, enabled
with --with-apxs2).
- New session_regenerate_id() function. (Important feature against malicious
session planting).
- Improvements to dba extension.
- Improvements to thttpd SAPI module.
- Dropped support for GDLIB version 1.x.x (php_gd.dll) on Windows.
- An unix man page for CLI version of PHP.
- New "disable_classes" php.ini option to allow administrators to disable
certain classes for security reasons.
- ..and a HUGE amount of other bug fixes!

For a full list of changes in PHP 4.3.2, see the NEWS file.
(http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-4.php).



Best,
Daniel Kushner
Vice President, New York PHP
http://nyphp.org/
daniel at nyphp.org




From David.SextonJr at ubspw.com  Thu May 29 09:30:46 2003
From: David.SextonJr at ubspw.com (Sexton, David)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:30:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
Message-ID: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789E3E@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>

Thanks Hans. I had misread the original post and thought it was declaring
that you couldn't use a WHERE clause with COUNT(). So without specifying a
WHERE clause, I'm assuming it takes predefined values from sys tables on the
disc? Or do these values sit in memory? Reason I'm asking is because MS
Access has no (apparent) sys tables, so I'm wondering if COUNT() works the
same way with Jet.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:zaunere at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:57 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.



--- "Sexton, David" <David.SextonJr at ubspw.com> wrote:
> >>>and there is no WHERE clause
> 
> Is this specific to MySQL, because I've used WHERE clauses with COUNT() in
> T-SQL... you should be able to specify a WHERE clause using MySQL also. I
> believe COUNT() is the same as selecting any other fields. The only
> difference is that it doesn't return actual data, only an integer, which
> makes it significantly faster if you're working with large result sets.

As others have mentioned, doing the COUNT in the DB (MySQL or any other) is
*much* faster, for the number of reasons mentioned.

COUNT uses internal database structures to do the calculations, making it
the
fastest possible method.  Using WHERE or GROUP BY obviously would entail a
bit more work because it needs to be selective on the count, and can't
simply
look at only internal table structures, but will remain the fastest method
for making a count in any DB.

H




> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Analysis & Solutions [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:16 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
> 
> 
> Hi Folks:
> 
> On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:51:01PM -0400, Malcolm, Gary wrote:
> > 1. don't use count(*) because mysql will pull all fields for every
> record...
> > 	use $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(col_name) FROM table_name");
> 
> That's not the case.  count(*) is preferable.  The manual says:
> 
> "COUNT(*) is somewhat different in that it returns a count of the number
> of rows retrieved, whether they contain NULL values. COUNT(*) is optimised
> to return very quickly if the SELECT retrieves from one table, no other
> columns are retrieved, and there is no WHERE clause. For example:
> 
> mysql> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM student;
> 
> ( from http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Group_by_functions.html )
> ( see also http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Counting_rows.html )
> 
> 
> > From: Nasir Zubair [mailto:lists at ny-tech.net]
> > >
> > > $result = mysql_query("SELECT col_name FROM table_name");
> > > $count = mysql_num_rows($result);
> > >
> . OR ...
> > >
> > > $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(*) FROM table_name");
> > > list($count) = mysql_fetch_row($result);
> 
> Now, which is better in your case depends on what you're doing.  If you
> JUST want to find out the rows, the latter is better.  If you're getting a
> bunch of data which you then intend to output, doing one query and then
> using mysql_num_rows() on it is probably more efficient.
> 
> --Dan
> 
> -- 
>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Thu May 29 09:50:20 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:50:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP 4.3.2 released
Message-ID: <00d301c325e9$3ee7eb60$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

I can't find anything on the new session_regenerate_id() finction yet.  However if it does what I think it does, here is what I've been using in it's place:

// at this point the session is already open
$tmp_SESSION = $_SESSION;
session_unset();
session_destroy();

session_id( md5(microtime().$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'].$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT']));
session_start();
$_SESSION = $tmp_SESSION;
unset($tmp_SESSION);


Cheers,
Jerry
--
42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. 


-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Kushner <nyphp at websapp.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Date: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:42 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP 4.3.2 released


>After a lengthy QA process, PHP 4.3.2 is finally out!
>This maintenance release solves a lot of bugs found in earlier PHP versions
>and is a *strongly* recommended upgrade for all users of PHP.
>
>PHP 4.3.2 contains, among others, following important fixes, additions and
>improvements:
>
>- Fixes several potentially hazardous integer and buffer overflows.
>- Fixes for several 64-bit problems.
>- New Apache 2.0 SAPI module (sapi/apache2handler, enabled
>with --with-apxs2).
>- New session_regenerate_id() function. (Important feature against malicious
>session planting).
>- Improvements to dba extension.
>- Improvements to thttpd SAPI module.
>- Dropped support for GDLIB version 1.x.x (php_gd.dll) on Windows.
>- An unix man page for CLI version of PHP.
>- New "disable_classes" php.ini option to allow administrators to disable
>certain classes for security reasons.
>- ..and a HUGE amount of other bug fixes!
>
>For a full list of changes in PHP 4.3.2, see the NEWS file.
>(http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-4.php).
>
>
>
>Best,
>Daniel Kushner
>Vice President, New York PHP
>http://nyphp.org/
>daniel at nyphp.org
>
>
>
>
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu May 29 10:13:10 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 07:13:10 -0700
Subject: Querying the .ini file ...
Message-ID: <006a01c325ec$6fd622c0$6400a8c0@FlipWilson>

I keep finding myself attempting something like ...

php -i | grep "^odbc."

Is there another way to find out your config?  Thanks.

- Jon


From psaw at pswebcode.com  Thu May 29 10:33:06 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:33:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Querying the .ini file ...
In-Reply-To: <200305291414.h4TEDXYR080324@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000001c325ef$394795b0$4cbdfea9@bronco>

Have you looked at the info.php file for lots of setup details or try...

find / -name php.ini -print
find / -type f -print | grep php.ini

These commands are searching the whole box from the root up. 
You will get permission denied messages on dirs you do not have rights
on.
Execution can take awhile. But you'll dig it up.
Is that what you are asking about?
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Baer [mailto:jonbaer at jonbaer.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:14 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Querying the .ini file ...


I keep finding myself attempting something like ...

php -i | grep "^odbc."

Is there another way to find out your config?  Thanks.

- Jon


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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Thu May 29 10:43:25 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:43:25 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Querying the .ini file ...
In-Reply-To: <200305291413.h4TEDXR1080324@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305291413.h4TEDXR1080324@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030529144325.GA26487@panix.com>

Jon:

On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 10:13:33AM -0400, Jon Baer wrote:
> 
> Is there another way to find out your config?  Thanks.

PHP has the ini_get() function:  http://us2.php.net/ini_get

--Dan

-- 
     FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
           http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.net  Thu May 29 12:30:29 2003
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.net (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 09:30:29 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Querying the .ini file ...
References: <200305291443.h4TEhSVh082375@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <004601c325ff$9efee920$6400a8c0@FlipWilson>

That is kinda what I don't understand, via php you should be able to use
the -d flag to report the ini values?

php -d register_globals

>From -h:
-d foo[=bar]     Define INI entry foo with value 'bar'

I was under the impression that it could/would invoke ini_get() and
ini_alter() respectively but it just hangs (on W32).

- Jon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Analysis & Solutions" <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Querying the .ini file ...


> Jon:
>
> On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 10:13:33AM -0400, Jon Baer wrote:
> >
> > Is there another way to find out your config?  Thanks.
>
> PHP has the ini_get() function:  http://us2.php.net/ini_get
>
> --Dan
>
> -- 
>      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
>            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
>
>
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
>
>
>



From lists at ny-tech.net  Thu May 29 14:39:02 2003
From: lists at ny-tech.net (Nasir Zubair)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:39:02 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Subject: Losing emails to the list.
Message-ID: <3ED653C6.000006.00980@MAIN>

Hi,

Just wanted to point out that the list is losing my responses every now and
then. No bounce back, no errors.  My two responses to "mySQL optimization"
thread disappeared.


One of them was from my main account and the other one from a ghost account.
Both of them were sent using IncrediMail, plain text format.  Not sure if it
is my program, or something else.

Regards,

Nasir 



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu May 29 16:04:52 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:04:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
In-Reply-To: <200305291331.h4TDUrXP077743@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030529200452.10055.qmail@web12810.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Sexton, David" <David.SextonJr at ubspw.com> wrote:
> Thanks Hans. I had misread the original post and thought it was declaring
> that you couldn't use a WHERE clause with COUNT(). So without specifying a
> WHERE clause, I'm assuming it takes predefined values from sys tables on
> the disc? Or do these values sit in memory?

Hmm, that's a toughy, as it's really DB dependant.  For instance, Oracle
maintains a data dictionary which I believe is where this type of information
is stored (which is cached into memory upon instance startup).  In MySQL I
don't think there is the same notion of a data dictionary, so this type of
info is stored on the filesystem, internal to the table file set itself;
however, since MySQL caches tables that have been opened (not their contents,
just pertinent statistics, ie data dictionary stuff) it'll be just as fast as
Oracle (and certainly much less memory intensive).

> Reason I'm asking is because MS Access has no (apparent) sys tables, so I'm
> wondering if COUNT() works the same way with Jet.

Hard to say; since there aren't any obvious sys tables, I'd imagine it works
in a similar fashion to MySQL.

Then again, this might be all false since I haven't looked at the data
structures for MySQL  :)

H



> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Zaunere [mailto:zaunere at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:57 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
> 
> 
> 
> --- "Sexton, David" <David.SextonJr at ubspw.com> wrote:
> > >>>and there is no WHERE clause
> > 
> > Is this specific to MySQL, because I've used WHERE clauses with COUNT()
> in
> > T-SQL... you should be able to specify a WHERE clause using MySQL also. I
> > believe COUNT() is the same as selecting any other fields. The only
> > difference is that it doesn't return actual data, only an integer, which
> > makes it significantly faster if you're working with large result sets.
> 
> As others have mentioned, doing the COUNT in the DB (MySQL or any other) is
> *much* faster, for the number of reasons mentioned.
> 
> COUNT uses internal database structures to do the calculations, making it
> the
> fastest possible method.  Using WHERE or GROUP BY obviously would entail a
> bit more work because it needs to be selective on the count, and can't
> simply
> look at only internal table structures, but will remain the fastest method
> for making a count in any DB.
> 
> H
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Analysis & Solutions [mailto:danielc at analysisandsolutions.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:16 PM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] mySQL optimization question.
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Folks:
> > 
> > On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 12:51:01PM -0400, Malcolm, Gary wrote:
> > > 1. don't use count(*) because mysql will pull all fields for every
> > record...
> > > 	use $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(col_name) FROM table_name");
> > 
> > That's not the case.  count(*) is preferable.  The manual says:
> > 
> > "COUNT(*) is somewhat different in that it returns a count of the number
> > of rows retrieved, whether they contain NULL values. COUNT(*) is
> optimised
> > to return very quickly if the SELECT retrieves from one table, no other
> > columns are retrieved, and there is no WHERE clause. For example:
> > 
> > mysql> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM student;
> > 
> > ( from http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Group_by_functions.html )
> > ( see also http://www.mysql.com/doc/en/Counting_rows.html )
> > 
> > 
> > > From: Nasir Zubair [mailto:lists at ny-tech.net]
> > > >
> > > > $result = mysql_query("SELECT col_name FROM table_name");
> > > > $count = mysql_num_rows($result);
> > > >
> > . OR ...
> > > >
> > > > $result = mysql_query("SELECT count(*) FROM table_name");
> > > > list($count) = mysql_fetch_row($result);
> > 
> > Now, which is better in your case depends on what you're doing.  If you
> > JUST want to find out the rows, the latter is better.  If you're getting
> a
> > bunch of data which you then intend to output, doing one query and then
> > using mysql_num_rows() on it is probably more efficient.
> > 
> > --Dan
> > 
> > -- 
> >      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> >  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu May 29 16:08:53 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:08:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Querying the .ini file ...
In-Reply-To: <200305291633.h4TGUxXP086112@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030529200853.59851.qmail@web12808.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.net> wrote:
> That is kinda what I don't understand, via php you should be able to use
> the -d flag to report the ini values?
> 
> php -d register_globals
> 
> From -h:
> -d foo[=bar]     Define INI entry foo with value 'bar'

This is typically used to *set* ini directives, which will then be used
during the script run.

> I was under the impression that it could/would invoke ini_get() and
> ini_alter() respectively but it just hangs (on W32).

I'm not sure why it would hang, but then I have never done it on windows.

Also take a look at:

http://us2.php.net/ini_get
http://us2.php.net/ini_get_all
http://us2.php.net/parse_ini_file

depending on what you need to accomplish.

H








> 
> - Jon
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Analysis & Solutions" <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
> To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at nyphp.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Querying the .ini file ...
> 
> 
> > Jon:
> >
> > On Thu, May 29, 2003 at 10:13:33AM -0400, Jon Baer wrote:
> > >
> > > Is there another way to find out your config?  Thanks.
> >
> > PHP has the ini_get() function:  http://us2.php.net/ini_get
> >
> > --Dan
> >
> > -- 
> >      FREE scripts that make web and database programming easier
> >            http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/software/
> >  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> >  4015 7th Ave #4AJ, Brooklyn NY    v: 718-854-0335   f: 718-854-0409
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --- Unsubscribe at http://nyphp.org/list/ ---
> 
> 



From zaunere at yahoo.com  Thu May 29 16:11:04 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:11:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Losing emails to the list.
In-Reply-To: <200305291839.h4TIdFXP089721@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030529201104.25686.qmail@web12809.mail.yahoo.com>


Hi Nasir,

--- Nasir Zubair <lists at ny-tech.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just wanted to point out that the list is losing my responses every now and
> then. No bounce back, no errors.  My two responses to "mySQL optimization"
> thread disappeared.

Hmm, quite odd.  I always get a notification message if a message arrives
that isn't processible, rejected, etc.

> One of them was from my main account and the other one from a ghost
> account.
> Both of them were sent using IncrediMail, plain text format.  Not sure if
> it is my program, or something else.

Yeah, that seems like a kosher config.  Maybe their mail queue got stuck? 
Let me know if it continues to be an issue.

H



From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Fri May 30 10:59:11 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:59:11 -0400
Subject: Parse error setting an array - why?
Message-ID: <184670-220035530145911228@M2W071.mail2web.com>

// DETERMINE IF THE USER'S BROWSER HAS JAVASCRIPT BY REARRANGING THE
get_browser() OBJECT AS AN ARRAY
   $browser = get_browser();
   foreach ($browser as $key => $val) 
    $browserArray($key) = $val;

I am getting a parse error setting up an array.  I have a get_browser()
object that I convert into an array (for ease in handling by me) that seems
to fail upon array creation.  Bluntly put, what did I do wrong?

Thanx
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri May 30 11:48:05 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:48:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse error setting an array - why?
In-Reply-To: <200305301458.h4UEwmR1019672@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305301458.h4UEwmR1019672@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030530154805.GA29370@panix.com>

Phil:

On Fri, May 30, 2003 at 10:58:48AM -0400, soazine at pop.erols.com wrote:
>
>     $browserArray($key) = $val;

That looks weird to me for several reasons.  Perhaps you mean:

   $browser = array($key => $val);

In general, in the future, copy and paste the error message, including the 
file and line, then tell us which line numbers of the script you're 
showing us (and make sure to import the exact script to your email, not a 
retyping of it, which it looks like you may have done here.

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri May 30 11:52:03 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:52:03 -0400
Subject: access system tables (was mysql optimizations)
Message-ID: <20030530155203.GB29370@panix.com>

Hey Folks:

Following up on the earlier thread regarding count() in MySQL.  It touched
on MS Access and system tables.  I deleted the messages but still wanted
to mention...

Access does have system tables.  Exactly what they do, I don't know.  They 
can be seen by going to Tools | Options | View Tab, then checking "System 
Objects."

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From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Fri May 30 11:53:33 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:53:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse error setting an array - why?
Message-ID: <1530-220035530155333853@M2W089.mail2web.com>

Ok I will do the best I can, although it won't make the problem clearer (at
least to me):

Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in
/users/ppowell/web/profile/display.php on line 92

Line 92: 
foreach ($browser as $key => $val) 
     echo "$key = $val<br>";

Furthermore I do not understand

$browserArray = array($key, $val);

I have never seen that before, and honestly, I come from the TCL background
of this: [set $browserArray($key) $val] -> this is why I associate an array
element setting that way.  

Bottom Line: I am trying to detect if the user is using Javascript from a
server-side perspective.

Phil

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-----------------
From: Analysis & Solutions danielc at analysisandsolutions.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:48:08 -0400
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Parse error setting an array - why?


Phil:

On Fri, May 30, 2003 at 10:58:48AM -0400, soazine at pop.erols.com wrote:
>
>     $browserArray($key) = $val;

That looks weird to me for several reasons.  Perhaps you mean:

   $browser = array($key => $val);

In general, in the future, copy and paste the error message, including the 
file and line, then tell us which line numbers of the script you're 
showing us (and make sure to import the exact script to your email, not a 
retyping of it, which it looks like you may have done here.

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From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Fri May 30 11:56:42 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:56:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse error setting an array - why?
Message-ID: <191690-220035530155642722@M2W096.mail2web.com>

Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in
/users/ppowell/web/profile/display.php on line 8

Lines 5-9:
// DETERMINE IF THE USER'S BROWSER HAS JAVASCRIPT BY REARRANGING THE
get_browser() OBJECT AS AN ARRAY
   $browser = get_browser();
   foreach ($browser as $key => $val) {
    $browserArray = array($key, $val);
   }

Phil

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Analysis & Solutions danielc at analysisandsolutions.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:48:08 -0400
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Parse error setting an array - why?


Phil:

On Fri, May 30, 2003 at 10:58:48AM -0400, soazine at pop.erols.com wrote:
>
>     $browserArray($key) = $val;

That looks weird to me for several reasons.  Perhaps you mean:

   $browser = array($key => $val);

In general, in the future, copy and paste the error message, including the 
file and line, then tell us which line numbers of the script you're 
showing us (and make sure to import the exact script to your email, not a 
retyping of it, which it looks like you may have done here.

--Dan

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri May 30 12:02:19 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:02:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse error setting an array - why?
In-Reply-To: <200305301552.h4UFq6R1023187@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305301552.h4UFq6R1023187@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030530160219.GC29370@panix.com>

On Fri, May 30, 2003 at 11:52:06AM -0400, soazine at pop.erols.com wrote:
> Ok I will do the best I can, although it won't make the problem clearer (at
> least to me):

It absolutely helps.


> Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in
> /users/ppowell/web/profile/display.php on line 92
> 
> Line 92: 
> foreach ($browser as $key => $val) 
>      echo "$key = $val<br>";

I'll bet $browser isn't an array.


> Furthermore I do not understand
> 
> $browserArray = array($key, $val);

Dude, did you write the exact syntax I wrote?  No.

The syntax you wrote makes an enumerated array with two values.  What I 
think you really want to be doing is creating an associative array with 
one key value pair.  Right?  So, use "$key => $val" instead of "$key, 
$val"

But, since you're pulling stuff from the $browser array already, why are 
you creating a second array with the same exact data?  I suspect you're 
off course...


> I have never seen that before

The manual is an excellent resource.  Have you looked at the array 
section?  Finding it is as simple as typing "php.net/array" into most web 
browsers.

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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Fri May 30 12:04:23 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:04:23 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse error setting an array - why?
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D97@pcsnet>

from the manual...

<?php
echo $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'] . "<hr />\
";

$browser = get_browser();

foreach ($browser as $name => $value) {
    print "<b>$name</b> $value <br />\
";
}

?>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
> Sent: Friday, 30 May, 2003 8:56 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Parse error setting an array - why?
> 
> 
> Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in
> /users/ppowell/web/profile/display.php on line 8
> 
> Lines 5-9:
> // DETERMINE IF THE USER'S BROWSER HAS JAVASCRIPT BY REARRANGING THE
> get_browser() OBJECT AS AN ARRAY
>    $browser = get_browser();
>    foreach ($browser as $key => $val) {
>     $browserArray = array($key, $val);
>    }
> 
> Phil
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Analysis & Solutions danielc at analysisandsolutions.com
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:48:08 -0400
> To: talk at nyphp.org
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Parse error setting an array - why?
> 
> 
> Phil:
> 
> On Fri, May 30, 2003 at 10:58:48AM -0400, soazine at pop.erols.com wrote:
> >
> >     $browserArray($key) = $val;
> 
> That looks weird to me for several reasons.  Perhaps you mean:
> 
>    $browser = array($key => $val);
> 
> In general, in the future, copy and paste the error message, 
> including the 
> file and line, then tell us which line numbers of the script you're 
> showing us (and make sure to import the exact script to your 
> email, not a 
> retyping of it, which it looks like you may have done here.
> 
> --Dan
> 
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From enunez at tiaa-cref.org  Fri May 30 12:09:09 2003
From: enunez at tiaa-cref.org (Nunez, Eddy)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:09:09 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP 4.3.2 released
Message-ID: <7CE0EC1FC2D0D411910700508BE38D0F0A6D9C9D@msxnyusr01.msx.ops.tiaa-cref.org>


Jerry,
Why do you do this?
Doesn't PHP 4.2.x and higher create session ids properly?
Or do you need a specific id for your specific circumstance?

-Ed

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From: Jerry Kapron [mailto:nyphp at newageweb.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:49 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP 4.3.2 released


I can't find anything on the new session_regenerate_id() finction yet.
However if it does what I think it does, here is what I've been using in
it's place:

// at this point the session is already open
$tmp_SESSION = $_SESSION;
session_unset();
session_destroy();

session_id(
md5(microtime().$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'].$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT']));
session_start();
$_SESSION = $tmp_SESSION;
unset($tmp_SESSION);


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-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Kushner <nyphp at websapp.com>
To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
Date: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:42 AM
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP 4.3.2 released


>After a lengthy QA process, PHP 4.3.2 is finally out!
>This maintenance release solves a lot of bugs found in earlier PHP versions
>and is a *strongly* recommended upgrade for all users of PHP.
>
>PHP 4.3.2 contains, among others, following important fixes, additions and
>improvements:
>
>- Fixes several potentially hazardous integer and buffer overflows.
>- Fixes for several 64-bit problems.
>- New Apache 2.0 SAPI module (sapi/apache2handler, enabled
>with --with-apxs2).
>- New session_regenerate_id() function. (Important feature against
malicious
>session planting).
>- Improvements to dba extension.
>- Improvements to thttpd SAPI module.
>- Dropped support for GDLIB version 1.x.x (php_gd.dll) on Windows.
>- An unix man page for CLI version of PHP.
>- New "disable_classes" php.ini option to allow administrators to disable
>certain classes for security reasons.
>- ..and a HUGE amount of other bug fixes!
>
>For a full list of changes in PHP 4.3.2, see the NEWS file.
>(http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-4.php).
>
>
>
>Best,
>Daniel Kushner
>Vice President, New York PHP
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>daniel at nyphp.org
>
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From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Fri May 30 12:16:26 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:16:26 -0400
Subject: Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser()?
Message-ID: <265000-220035530161626928@M2W094.mail2web.com>

taken from http://us4.php.net/manual/en/function.get-browser.php

object get_browser ( [string user_agent])


get_browser() attempts to determine the capabilities of the user's browser.
This is done by looking up the browser's information in the browscap.ini
file. By default, the value of HTTP_USER_AGENT is used; however, you can
alter this (i.e., look up another browser's info) by passing the optional
user_agent parameter to get_browser(). 

The information is returned in an object, which will contain various data
elements representing, for instance, the browser's major and minor version
numbers and ID string; TRUE/FALSE values for features such as frames,
JavaScript, and cookies; and so forth. 

While browscap.ini contains information on many browsers, it relies on user
updates to keep the database current. The format of the file is fairly
self-explanatory. 

The following example shows how one might list all available information
retrieved about the user's browser. Example 1. get_browser() example

<?php
echo $_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT'] . "<hr />\
";

$browser = get_browser();

foreach ($browser as $name => $value) {
    print "<b>$name</b> $value <br />\
";
}

?>
 
 


The output of the above script would look something like this: 

Mozilla/4.5 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9 i586)<hr />
<b>browser_name_pattern:</b> Mozilla/4\\.5.*<br />
<b>parent:</b> Netscape 4.0<br />
<b>platform:</b> Linux<br />
<b>majorver:</b> 4<br />
<b>minorver:</b> 5<br />
<b>browser:</b> Netscape<br />
<b>version:</b> 4<br />
<b>frames:</b> 1<br />
<b>tables:</b> 1<br />
<b>cookies:</b> 1<br />
<b>backgroundsounds:</b> <br />
<b>vbscript:</b> <br />
<b>javascript:</b> 1<br />
<b>javaapplets:</b> 1<br />
<b>activexcontrols:</b> <br />
<b>beta:</b> <br />
<b>crawler:</b> <br />
<b>authenticodeupdate:</b> <br />
<b>msn:</b> <br />
----------------------------------------------------- 
I am using the PHP manual itself to define the get_browser() object as an
array.  However, when I do it I get the following error:

Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in
/users/ppowell/web/profile/display.php on line 8

Here is my code, lines 5-9:


   // DETERMINE IF THE USER'S BROWSER HAS JAVASCRIPT BY REARRANGING THE
get_browser() OBJECT AS AN ARRAY
   $browser = get_browser();
   foreach ($browser as $key => $val) {
    $browserArray = array($key, $val);
   }


-----------------------------------------------------

I hope this gives a more thorough background of what I have done to try to
determine the user's browser Javascript setting.

Phil

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Fri May 30 12:25:52 2003
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Analysis & Solutions)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:25:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
In-Reply-To: <200305301615.h4UGFNR1028318@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305301615.h4UGFNR1028318@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030530162552.GA3734@panix.com>

On Fri, May 30, 2003 at 12:15:23PM -0400, soazine at pop.erols.com wrote:
> I am using the PHP manual itself to define the get_browser() object as an
> array.  However, when I do it I get the following error:
>
> Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in
> /users/ppowell/web/profile/display.php on line 8

But what happens if you do

<?php
$browser = get_browser();
print_r($browser);
?>

I'll bet not much, since it seems from the message that $browser isn't an 
array.  So, if that's the case, it means get_browser() isn't working right 
for you.


> I hope this gives a more thorough background of what I have done to try to
> determine the user's browser Javascript setting.

Of course, you realize, that just because a browser CAN use JavasCrap, 
doesn't mean the person has it enabled.  And that relying on JS for 
essential things can lead to your site being unusable for such people.  
See my rant at http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/weberror.htm about 
this if you care.

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From chris at psydeshow.org  Fri May 30 12:41:57 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:41:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
In-Reply-To: <200305301626.h4UGPsYV029246@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305301626.h4UGPsYV029246@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ED789D5.9090701@psydeshow.org>

Yep--
Warning: get_browser() [function.get-browser 
<http://www.php.net/function.get-browser>]: browscap ini directive not 
set. in /home/csnyder/files/php-dev/browser.php on line 2

There's an ini setting in your way, probably. There is for me.

    chris.*

*Analysis & Solutions wrote:

>But what happens if you do
>
><?php
>$browser = get_browser();
>print_r($browser);
>?>
>
>  
>



From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Fri May 30 12:55:26 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:55:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
Message-ID: <168270-220035530165526349@M2W068.mail2web.com>

Well, maybe what I am trying to convey is this: I want to know if the user
has Javascript enabled on their browser; if they don't, then a submit
button appears, otherwise, it doesn't have to.  There is no clean
client-side solution to this dilemma; I've never seen successful
client-side plugin-enabling display handling ever done.

Phil


> I hope this gives a more thorough background of what I have done to try to
> determine the user's browser Javascript setting.

Of course, you realize, that just because a browser CAN use JavasCrap, 
doesn't mean the person has it enabled.  And that relying on JS for 
essential things can lead to your site being unusable for such people.  
See my rant at http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/weberror.htm about 
this if you care.

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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Fri May 30 12:58:52 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 09:58:52 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D98@pcsnet>

I think Dan has a good point here... the more complicated web work i do the
thinner I like the client side. Why not just use a submit button all the
time instead of the JS submit method? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
> Sent: Friday, 30 May, 2003 9:55 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
> 
> 
> Well, maybe what I am trying to convey is this: I want to 
> know if the user
> has Javascript enabled on their browser; if they don't, then a submit
> button appears, otherwise, it doesn't have to.  There is no clean
> client-side solution to this dilemma; I've never seen successful
> client-side plugin-enabling display handling ever done.
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> > I hope this gives a more thorough background of what I have 
> done to try to
> > determine the user's browser Javascript setting.
> 
> Of course, you realize, that just because a browser CAN use 
> JavasCrap, 
> doesn't mean the person has it enabled.  And that relying on JS for 
> essential things can lead to your site being unusable for 
> such people.  
> See my rant at 
> http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/weberror.htm about 
> this if you care.
> 
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From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Fri May 30 13:03:39 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:03:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
Message-ID: <410-22003553017339321@M2W047.mail2web.com>

Well I was hoping for a more elegant display solution of not showing the
submit button if javascript is enabled, nonetheless, it ain't worth it. 
But thanx for the suggestions.  I think I'll steer clear of get_browser();
it's a waste.

Phil

Original Message:
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From: Malcolm, Gary gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:58:56 -0400
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?


I think Dan has a good point here... the more complicated web work i do the
thinner I like the client side. Why not just use a submit button all the
time instead of the JS submit method? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
> Sent: Friday, 30 May, 2003 9:55 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
> 
> 
> Well, maybe what I am trying to convey is this: I want to 
> know if the user
> has Javascript enabled on their browser; if they don't, then a submit
> button appears, otherwise, it doesn't have to.  There is no clean
> client-side solution to this dilemma; I've never seen successful
> client-side plugin-enabling display handling ever done.
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> > I hope this gives a more thorough background of what I have 
> done to try to
> > determine the user's browser Javascript setting.
> 
> Of course, you realize, that just because a browser CAN use 
> JavasCrap, 
> doesn't mean the person has it enabled.  And that relying on JS for 
> essential things can lead to your site being unusable for 
> such people.  
> See my rant at 
> http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/weberror.htm about 
> this if you care.
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From David.SextonJr at ubspw.com  Fri May 30 13:10:52 2003
From: David.SextonJr at ubspw.com (Sexton, David)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:10:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
Message-ID: <18D7B8CAA5284F478470828806DB124603789E46@psle01.xchg.pwj.com>

I would also point out that the HTTP_USER_AGENT can be modified on the
user's machine. I've read that even MSIE can have it's identity changed via
the registry, so I agree it is pretty useless. Especially when browsers like
Konqueror make it so easy to mask the true identity. What about using an
image as a submit trigger? Or use CSS to modify the look of your buttons. I
know the default look isn't very appealing... just some suggestions.

-----Original Message-----
From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:02 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?


Well I was hoping for a more elegant display solution of not showing the
submit button if javascript is enabled, nonetheless, it ain't worth it. 
But thanx for the suggestions.  I think I'll steer clear of get_browser();
it's a waste.

Phil

Original Message:
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From: Malcolm, Gary gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 12:58:56 -0400
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?


I think Dan has a good point here... the more complicated web work i do the
thinner I like the client side. Why not just use a submit button all the
time instead of the JS submit method? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
> Sent: Friday, 30 May, 2003 9:55 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
> 
> 
> Well, maybe what I am trying to convey is this: I want to 
> know if the user
> has Javascript enabled on their browser; if they don't, then a submit
> button appears, otherwise, it doesn't have to.  There is no clean
> client-side solution to this dilemma; I've never seen successful
> client-side plugin-enabling display handling ever done.
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> > I hope this gives a more thorough background of what I have 
> done to try to
> > determine the user's browser Javascript setting.
> 
> Of course, you realize, that just because a browser CAN use 
> JavasCrap, 
> doesn't mean the person has it enabled.  And that relying on JS for 
> essential things can lead to your site being unusable for 
> such people.  
> See my rant at 
> http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/weberror.htm about 
> this if you care.
> 
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From psaw at pswebcode.com  Fri May 30 13:15:32 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:15:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
In-Reply-To: <200305301659.h4UGwuYT031992@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000001c326cf$13f53a70$4cbdfea9@bronco>

<noscript>
<input type="submit" value="hasnojs" name="submitme">
</noscript>

If JavaScript is enabled, client does not see HTML input. If no js
enabled. Client gets input button.

-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:59 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?


I think Dan has a good point here... the more complicated web work i do
the thinner I like the client side. Why not just use a submit button all
the time instead of the JS submit method? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
> Sent: Friday, 30 May, 2003 9:55 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
> 
> 
> Well, maybe what I am trying to convey is this: I want to
> know if the user
> has Javascript enabled on their browser; if they don't, then a submit
> button appears, otherwise, it doesn't have to.  There is no clean
> client-side solution to this dilemma; I've never seen successful
> client-side plugin-enabling display handling ever done.
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> > I hope this gives a more thorough background of what I have
> done to try to
> > determine the user's browser Javascript setting.
> 
> Of course, you realize, that just because a browser CAN use
> JavasCrap, 
> doesn't mean the person has it enabled.  And that relying on JS for 
> essential things can lead to your site being unusable for 
> such people.  
> See my rant at 
> http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/weberror.htm about 
> this if you care.
> 
> --Dan
> 
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From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Fri May 30 13:21:52 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:21:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
Message-ID: <281450-220035530172152808@M2W091.mail2web.com>

Perfect! I've never used <noscript> before (never had to) so I was
unfamiliar with its usage until now; thanx!

Phil

Original Message:
-----------------
From: pswebcode, nyc psaw at pswebcode.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:15:00 -0400
To: talk at nyphp.org
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?


<noscript>
<input type="submit" value="hasnojs" name="submitme">
</noscript>

If JavaScript is enabled, client does not see HTML input. If no js
enabled. Client gets input button.

-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:59 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?


I think Dan has a good point here... the more complicated web work i do
the thinner I like the client side. Why not just use a submit button all
the time instead of the JS submit method? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net]
> Sent: Friday, 30 May, 2003 9:55 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
> 
> 
> Well, maybe what I am trying to convey is this: I want to
> know if the user
> has Javascript enabled on their browser; if they don't, then a submit
> button appears, otherwise, it doesn't have to.  There is no clean
> client-side solution to this dilemma; I've never seen successful
> client-side plugin-enabling display handling ever done.
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> > I hope this gives a more thorough background of what I have
> done to try to
> > determine the user's browser Javascript setting.
> 
> Of course, you realize, that just because a browser CAN use
> JavasCrap, 
> doesn't mean the person has it enabled.  And that relying on JS for 
> essential things can lead to your site being unusable for 
> such people.  
> See my rant at 
> http://www.analysisandsolutions.com/code/weberror.htm about 
> this if you care.
> 
> --Dan
> 
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From ian at plusfour.org  Fri May 30 13:25:30 2003
From: ian at plusfour.org (Ian Forsyth)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:25:30 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
In-Reply-To: <200305301616.h4UGFNYL028318@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <B65003B4-92C3-11D7-9431-003065778656@plusfour.org>


On Friday, May 30, 2003, at 09:15  AM, soazine at pop.erols.com wrote:
>
>    // DETERMINE IF THE USER'S BROWSER HAS JAVASCRIPT BY REARRANGING THE
> get_browser() OBJECT AS AN ARRAY
>    $browser = get_browser();
>    foreach ($browser as $key => $val) {
>     $browserArray = array($key, $val);
>    }
>
>

this might work better..

foreach($browser as $key => $val){

	$browserArray[$key] = $val;
}

print_r($browserArray);

or just

if($browser->javascript == 1)
{
	include ("javascript_enabled_page");
}
else
	include("no_java_script");
}
Ian



From soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net  Fri May 30 13:27:35 2003
From: soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net (soazine@pop.erols.com)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:27:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
Message-ID: <63340-220035530172735226@M2W079.mail2web.com>



if($browser->javascript == 1)
{
	include ("javascript_enabled_page");
}
else
	include("no_java_script");
}
Ian


Tried that, but $browser->javascript comes out to be null on my browser
which is javascript-enabled.

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From psaw at pswebcode.com  Fri May 30 13:36:57 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 13:36:57 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
In-Reply-To: <200305301728.h4UHRpYR037648@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000201c326d2$12177260$4cbdfea9@bronco>

 <noscript>
  <meta http-equiv="refresh"
content="1;url=http://www.domain.com/nojspage">
</noscript> 

Client stays on this page, if js enabled. Client does meta, if js not
enabled.

-----Original Message-----
From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:28 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?




if($browser->javascript == 1)
{
	include ("javascript_enabled_page");
}
else
	include("no_java_script");
}
Ian


Tried that, but $browser->javascript comes out to be null on my browser
which is javascript-enabled.

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From gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com  Fri May 30 13:48:23 2003
From: gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com (Malcolm, Gary)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:48:23 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk]UNSUBSCRBE
Message-ID: <715DAA079998D3118B8B00508B2C071D453D9A@pcsnet>

um... that link gets a 404.

and howabout creating a link that goes right to an unsubscribe form?	

and the mailing list link has nothing on unsubscribing...

as always its all about the interface and NOT about the enduser. 

bad programmer-no donut

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> Sent: Friday, 30 May, 2003 10:24 AM
> To: NYPHP Development
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-dev] Unsubscription
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: pswebcode, nyc [mailto:psaw at pswebcode.com]
> Sent: Friday, 30 May, 2003 10:36 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
> 
> 
>  <noscript>
>   <meta http-equiv="refresh"
> content="1;url=http://www.domain.com/nojspage">
> </noscript> 
> 
> Client stays on this page, if js enabled. Client does meta, if js not
> enabled.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: soazine at pop.erols.com [mailto:soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net] 
> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 1:28 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Anyone ever have any luck with get_browser?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> if($browser->javascript == 1)
> {
> 	include ("javascript_enabled_page");
> }
> else
> 	include("no_java_script");
> }
> Ian
> 
> 
> Tried that, but $browser->javascript comes out to be null on 
> my browser
> which is javascript-enabled.
> 
> Phil
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From psaw at pswebcode.com  Fri May 30 14:06:02 2003
From: psaw at pswebcode.com (pswebcode, nyc)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 14:06:02 -0400
Subject: Generating One-Time URLs with PHP
In-Reply-To: <200305301737.h4UHaSYR038561@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000401c326d6$22064940$4cbdfea9@bronco>

Generating One-Time URLs with PHP
http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/php/2002/12/05/one_time_URLs.html

The handful of nice techniques discussed here have got to come 
in handy sometime for somebody.

PSaw



From chris at psydeshow.org  Fri May 30 15:17:26 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:17:26 -0400
Subject: sanitizing user-submitted html
Message-ID: <3ED7AE46.7070309@psydeshow.org>

I've whipped up a pcom-to-be that will render user-submitted HTML safe 
from all of the cross-site-scripting attacks that I'm aware of.
If you think you know any clever tricks for getting javascript or nasty 
tags (like <embed>) around text filters, could you please have a go at 
breaking it?
http://chxo.com/scripts/safe_html-test.php

Thanks!

    chris.



From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Fri May 30 15:31:19 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:31:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Parse error setting an array - why?
In-Reply-To: <200305301553.h4UFq6aL023187@parsec.nyphp.org>; from soazine@pop.mail.rcn.net on Fri, May 30, 2003 at 11:52:06AM -0400
References: <200305301553.h4UFq6aL023187@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030530153119.A30015@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

On 2003-05-30 11:52 -0400, soazine at pop.erols.com <soazine at pop.mail.rcn.net> wrote:

> Bottom Line: I am trying to detect if the user is using Javascript from a
> server-side perspective.

It seems like this will help you:

$browser = get_browser( );
if( $browser->javascript == 1 ) {
    // JavaScript is enabled
} else {
  // It's not
}

...because get_browser returns an *object*, not an *array*.  Even
though the example in the get_browser documentation seems to suggest
that foreach will do what it looks like it should, there are some
caveats to be read in the documentation of foreach.  And, anyway, you
don't care about the rest of the object; all you care about is that
one field.

However, I haven't done much at all with objects in PHP, so YMMV.
-c

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From nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com  Fri May 30 15:44:36 2003
From: nyphp at NewAgeWeb.com (Jerry Kapron)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:44:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP 4.3.2 released
Message-ID: <004701c326e3$e7143a00$de01a8c0@duron.lan.newageweb.com>

Ed,

> From: Nunez, Eddy <enunez at tiaa-cref.org>
>
>Why do you do this?
>Doesn't PHP 4.2.x and higher create session ids properly?
>Or do you need a specific id for your specific circumstance?



I do this to prevent session hijacking. This trick changes the session id while preserving the session's persistence.
However, unconditional use this snippet can cause some problems.  For example, using the browser's reload/refresh button on a client with cookies disabled may cause the session to be lost.  I use this code as a part of a larger and knotty session security algorithm and hope that the new session_regenerate_id() will do a much better job.

Cheers,
Jerry

--
42.7% of all statistics are made the spot. 

>-Ed




>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jerry Kapron [mailto:nyphp at newageweb.com]
>Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 9:49 AM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] PHP 4.3.2 released
>
>
>I can't find anything on the new session_regenerate_id() finction yet.
>However if it does what I think it does, here is what I've been using in
>it's place:
>
>// at this point the session is already open
>$tmp_SESSION = $_SESSION;
>session_unset();
>session_destroy();
>
>session_id(
>md5(microtime().$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'].$_SERVER['HTTP_USER_AGENT']));
>session_start();
>$_SESSION = $tmp_SESSION;
>unset($tmp_SESSION);
>
>
>Cheers,
>Jerry
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>42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. 
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel Kushner <nyphp at websapp.com>
>To: NYPHP Talk <talk at nyphp.org>
>Date: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:42 AM
>Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP 4.3.2 released
>
>
>>After a lengthy QA process, PHP 4.3.2 is finally out!
>>This maintenance release solves a lot of bugs found in earlier PHP versions
>>and is a *strongly* recommended upgrade for all users of PHP.
>>
>>PHP 4.3.2 contains, among others, following important fixes, additions and
>>improvements:
>>
>>- Fixes several potentially hazardous integer and buffer overflows.
>>- Fixes for several 64-bit problems.
>>- New Apache 2.0 SAPI module (sapi/apache2handler, enabled
>>with --with-apxs2).
>>- New session_regenerate_id() function. (Important feature against
>malicious
>>session planting).
>>- Improvements to dba extension.
>>- Improvements to thttpd SAPI module.
>>- Dropped support for GDLIB version 1.x.x (php_gd.dll) on Windows.
>>- An unix man page for CLI version of PHP.
>>- New "disable_classes" php.ini option to allow administrators to disable
>>certain classes for security reasons.
>>- ..and a HUGE amount of other bug fixes!
>>
>>For a full list of changes in PHP 4.3.2, see the NEWS file.
>>(http://www.php.net/ChangeLog-4.php).
>>
>>
>>
>>Best,
>>Daniel Kushner
>>Vice President, New York PHP
>>http://nyphp.org/
>>daniel at nyphp.org
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>>
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From jwjr at panix.com  Fri May 30 16:49:43 2003
From: jwjr at panix.com (James Wetterau)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:49:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] sanitizing user-submitted html 
In-Reply-To: Message from Chris Snyder <chris@psydeshow.org> 
   of "Fri, 30 May 2003 15:17:26 EDT." <200305301918.h4UJHQZT043304@parsec.nyphp.org> 
Message-ID: <200305302049.h4UKnhL25128@panix1.panix.com>



Chris Snyder says:
> I've whipped up a pcom-to-be that will render user-submitted HTML safe 
> from all of the cross-site-scripting attacks that I'm aware of.
> If you think you know any clever tricks for getting javascript or nasty 
> tags (like <embed>) around text filters, could you please have a go at 
> breaking it?

This submission breaks it:

Strips some attibutes:<br>
<img src='http://fotola.com/berylium/csnyder/?method=latestimage'
onmouseover='whatever(whatever="onmouseover='
alert("gotcha");
alert("I can do anything in here"); 
'/>

Note, it also breaks your page, so the exploit will not be obvious
unless you verify that the attempted "safe" HTML doesn't work by
putting it on a page by itself.  

Your program needs to verify that after it strips the HTML it hasn't
generated unsafe HTML, and it needs a way to avoid getting caught in a
loop doing that.  This is the sort of programming challenge that I
like to model with a state machine.


From james at surgam.net  Fri May 30 19:06:21 2003
From: james at surgam.net (James Wetterau)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:06:21 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] sanitizing user-submitted html
Message-ID: <000801c32700$16502420$550e6c42@BURDEN>

Chris Snyder says:
> I've whipped up a pcom-to-be that will render user-submitted HTML safe 
> from all of the cross-site-scripting attacks that I'm aware of.
> If you think you know any clever tricks for getting javascript or nasty 
> tags (like <embed>) around text filters, could you please have a go at 
> breaking it?

This submission breaks it:

Strips some attibutes:<br>
<img src='http://fotola.com/berylium/csnyder/?method=latestimage'
onmouseover='whatever(whatever="onmouseover='
alert("gotcha");
alert("I can do anything in here"); 
'/>

Note, it also breaks your page, so the exploit will not be obvious
unless you verify that the attempted "safe" HTML doesn't work by
putting it on a page by itself.  

Your program needs to verify that after it strips the HTML it hasn't
generated unsafe HTML, and it needs a way to avoid getting caught in a
loop doing that.  This is the sort of programming challenge that I
like to model with a state machine.
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From chris at psydeshow.org  Sat May 31 00:38:26 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 00:38:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] sanitizing user-submitted html
In-Reply-To: <200305302107.h4UL6dYT047812@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305302107.h4UL6dYT047812@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ED831C2.3000404@psydeshow.org>

James Wetterau wrote:

>This submission breaks it:
>
>Strips some attibutes:<br>
><img src='http://fotola.com/berylium/csnyder/?method=latestimage'
>onmouseover='whatever(whatever="onmouseover='
>alert("gotcha");
>alert("I can do anything in here"); 
>'/>
>
>  
>
Not anymore. Two things happened there-- I needed to create separate 
patterns for attributes delimited with " and with ', and I didn't 
realize that the dot wasn't matching newline chars. Fixed both of those, 
and thanks for the shakedown!!

http://chxo.com/scripts/safe_html-test.php

It's also closing open tags now, but without any sort of pretense to 
well-formed HTML-- it just tacks the appropriate number of closing tags 
on at the end. My goal is to brute-force protect against people who 
might want to break the page visually, not correct a poster's formatting.

>Your program needs to verify that after it strips the HTML it hasn't
>generated unsafe HTML, and it needs a way to avoid getting caught in a
>loop doing that.  This is the sort of programming challenge that I
>like to model with a state machine.
>
I took a crash course in state machines this evening via Google, and I 
must admit that I have no idea what this problem would like if modeled 
as one. It's true that I would be happier with mathematical proof that 
the routine was unexploitable, but anecdotal proof will be enough for me 
to allow HTML posts in non-critical applications. Thanks again for 
testing it!

    chris.




From james at surgam.net  Sat May 31 01:57:02 2003
From: james at surgam.net (James Wetterau)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 23:57:02 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] sanitizing user-submitted html
Message-ID: <000801c32739$759abc40$550e6c42@BURDEN>

Chris Snyder says:
> James Wetterau wrote:
>
> >This submission breaks it:
> >
> >Strips some attibutes:<br>
> ><img src='http://fotola.com/berylium/csnyder/?method=latestimage'
> >onmouseover='whatever(whatever="onmouseover='
> >alert("gotcha");
> >alert("I can do anything in here");
> >'/>
> >
> >
> >
> Not anymore. Two things happened there-- I needed to create separate
> patterns for attributes delimited with " and with ', and I didn't
> realize that the dot wasn't matching newline chars. Fixed both of those,
> and thanks for the shakedown!!

I can now break it with this input:         

Strips some attibutes:<br />
<img src='http://fotola.com/berylium/csnyder/?method=latestimage'
onmouseover=onmouseover='alert("gotcha")''alert("gotcha");
alert("I can also do multiple lines!");' title='a photo' />
<blink>blink!</blink>
<b>adds <b>closing</b> tags if necessary.

...
> I took a crash course in state machines this evening via Google, and I
> must admit that I have no idea what this problem would like if modeled
> as one. It's true that I would be happier with mathematical proof that
> the routine was unexploitable, but anecdotal proof will be enough for me
> to allow HTML posts in non-critical applications. Thanks again for
...

My pleasure, and thank you for putting your code out there for review.
I think it's a good lesson to see how hard it is to sanitize user input, even
starting with a lot of initial cleverness. 

I think at minimum you need to loop over the resulting output to
verify that you haven't transformed your input into an output which
still triggers your conditions for requiring modification.

One thing you might want to do is add extraneous spaces around things
you've expunged, which might prevent parts from joining together around
an expunged piece.  This should generally be ok, because most legitimate
HTML shouldn't care about whitespaces.

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From chris at psydeshow.org  Sat May 31 01:16:37 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 01:16:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] sanitizing user-submitted html
In-Reply-To: <200305310457.h4V4vEYR057392@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305310457.h4V4vEYR057392@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ED83AB5.9090606@psydeshow.org>

James Wetterau wrote:

>I think at minimum you need to loop over the resulting output to
>verify that you haven't transformed your input into an output which
>still triggers your conditions for requiring modification.
>
>One thing you might want to do is add extraneous spaces around things
>you've expunged, which might prevent parts from joining together around
>an expunged piece.  This should generally be ok, because most legitimate
>HTML shouldn't care about whitespaces.
>  
>
Now I'm getting the picture -- I think the shortcut out of this might be 
to strip all tags if any of the attribute patterns match in the first 
place. It's not worth the CPU cycles to be kind to the one user in a 
million who means no harm with an onmouseover event.

Oh the sanity!



From chris at psydeshow.org  Sat May 31 15:17:14 2003
From: chris at psydeshow.org (Chris Snyder)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 15:17:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] sanitizing user-submitted html
In-Reply-To: <200305310439.h4V4cPYR056429@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305310439.h4V4cPYR056429@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ED8FFBA.5020500@psydeshow.org>

strip_attributes() now loops back over the html, checking for new exploits created by the replacements. If any are found it decides the post is malicious and strips all HTML tags.

Same thing with the src='javascript: checks in safe_html().

http://chxo.com/scripts/safe_html-test.php


Horray, I can let people post HTML to my sites again! Unless you find another hole in this, James...




From zaunere at yahoo.com  Sat May 31 15:42:34 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:42:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] sanitizing user-submitted html
In-Reply-To: <200305311917.h4VJGrXN082053@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030531194234.25412.qmail@web12807.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Chris Snyder <chris at psydeshow.org> wrote:
> strip_attributes() now loops back over the html, checking for new exploits
> created by the replacements. If any are found it decides the post is
> malicious and strips all HTML tags.
> 
> Same thing with the src='javascript: checks in safe_html().
> 
> http://chxo.com/scripts/safe_html-test.php
> 
> 
> Horray, I can let people post HTML to my sites again! Unless you find
> another hole in this, James...

Ooo, great thread.  pcoms.net is in a shakey state, but I should get it
straightened out tonight so this pCom can get submitted.  Thanks Chris!

H





From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Sat May 31 18:04:57 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:04:57 -0400
Subject: Sessions & Functions question
Message-ID: <20030531180457.E30015@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

Here's a weird one:

I'm using $HTTP_SESSION_VARS to store all the session stuff I need,
and it works just fine until I call a function.  Within just about any
function I call, the values stored in that array seem to disappear.  I
know this is some vague information, and I'll provide more code if
needed, but does this trigger any gotchas for anyone?
-c

-- 
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Windows:  More than enough rope.


From cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu  Sat May 31 18:24:30 2003
From: cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:24:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions & Functions question
In-Reply-To: <200305312206.h4VM51aF087721@parsec.nyphp.org>; from cmerlo@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu on Sat, May 31, 2003 at 06:05:01PM -0400
References: <200305312206.h4VM51aF087721@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030531182430.F30015@turing.matcmp.ncc.edu>

On 2003-05-31 18:05 -0400, Christopher R. Merlo <cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu> wrote:

> Here's a weird one:

Never mind.  :)  After some debugging and RTFMing, I realized that I
need to use "global" within functions, for stuff that was declared
outside.

-- 
cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo

Windows:  More than enough rope.


From webapprentice at onemain.com  Sat May 31 18:37:01 2003
From: webapprentice at onemain.com (Webapprentice)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:37:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions & Functions question
In-Reply-To: <200305312225.h4VMOWXZ088693@parsec.nyphp.org>
References: <200305312225.h4VMOWXZ088693@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <3ED92E8D.3040708@onemain.com>

Can't you pass that as an argument?

I pass variables as arguments through functions, so I don't mix up my 
namespaces.

Christopher R. Merlo wrote:
> On 2003-05-31 18:05 -0400, Christopher R. Merlo <cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Here's a weird one:
> 
> 
> Never mind.  :)  After some debugging and RTFMing, I realized that I
> need to use "global" within functions, for stuff that was declared
> outside.
> 




From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Sat May 31 18:36:07 2003
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:36:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions & Functions question
In-Reply-To: <200305312224.h4VMOWT5088693@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <000001c327c5$06f5abb0$0a01a8c0@OBERON1>

Out of curiosity,
How did you go about debugging that situation

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher R. Merlo [mailto:cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu] 
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 6:25 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Sessions & Functions question

On 2003-05-31 18:05 -0400, Christopher R. Merlo
<cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu> wrote:

> Here's a weird one:

Never mind.  :)  After some debugging and RTFMing, I realized that I
need to use "global" within functions, for stuff that was declared
outside.

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From shiflett at php.net  Sat May 31 18:53:53 2003
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 15:53:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions & Functions question
In-Reply-To: <200305312206.h4VM51Yv087721@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030531225353.88587.qmail@web14301.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu> wrote:
> I'm using $HTTP_SESSION_VARS to store all the session stuff I need,
> and it works just fine until I call a function.  Within just about any
> function I call, the values stored in that array seem to disappear.

Unlike $_SESSION, that's not a superglobal.

Chris


From zaunere at yahoo.com  Sat May 31 21:34:00 2003
From: zaunere at yahoo.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 18:34:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Sessions & Functions question
In-Reply-To: <200305312225.h4VMOWXN088693@parsec.nyphp.org>
Message-ID: <20030601013400.36006.qmail@web12801.mail.yahoo.com>


--- "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu> wrote:
> On 2003-05-31 18:05 -0400, Christopher R. Merlo
> <cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu> wrote:
> 
> > Here's a weird one:
> 
> Never mind.  :)  After some debugging and RTFMing, I realized that I
> need to use "global" within functions, for stuff that was declared
> outside.

Bingo.  But I'd much prefer using $_SESSION, even if your version of PHP
doesn't support them yet, in which case alias $_SESSION to
$HTTP_SESSION_VARS.  It'll save work in the future.

H


> 
> -- 
> cmerlo at turing.matcmp.ncc.edu        http://turing.matcmp.ncc.edu/~cmerlo
> 
> Windows:  More than enough rope.
> 
> 
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> 
> 



From james at surgam.net  Fri May 30 17:06:39 2003
From: james at surgam.net (James Wetterau)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 17:06:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] sanitizing user-submitted html
Message-ID: <200305302106.h4UL6dS1047812@parsec.nyphp.org>

Chris Snyder says:
> I've whipped up a pcom-to-be that will render user-submitted HTML safe 
> from all of the cross-site-scripting attacks that I'm aware of.
> If you think you know any clever tricks for getting javascript or nasty 
> tags (like <embed>) around text filters, could you please have a go at 
> breaking it?

This submission breaks it:

Strips some attibutes:<br>
<img src='http://fotola.com/berylium/csnyder/?method=latestimage'
onmouseover='whatever(whatever="onmouseover='
alert("gotcha");
alert("I can do anything in here"); 
'/>

Note, it also breaks your page, so the exploit will not be obvious
unless you verify that the attempted "safe" HTML doesn't work by
putting it on a page by itself.  

Your program needs to verify that after it strips the HTML it hasn't
generated unsafe HTML, and it needs a way to avoid getting caught in a
loop doing that.  This is the sort of programming challenge that I
like to model with a state machine.


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From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Tue May  6 17:01:40 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Tue,  6 May 2003 17:01:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
Message-ID: <200305062101.h46L1eol028066@parsec.nyphp.org>

I would have to agree with Gary on this one.  As far as I can tell, if 
you're processing a million xml files, you're going to be limited by 
hardware requirements on your Windows box; if you want to speed the i/o 
up, get a Cheetah or more processor power/RAM.  If you do the coding for 
the xml dump on the fly, you're going to cut down your access time 
signficantly (I would imagine).  As it is, even just reading the file 
directory of a million files is going to hang (or crash!) your PC. 

+gadhra+

Larry Chuon LarryC-at-indexstock.com |NY PHP| wrote:

>I've thought of that.  I'm still in the learning mode.  Any advice is
>greatly appreciated.  By the way, my team is thinking about implementing
>webservices for our product OSSuite after we saw the demo at NYPHP several
>months ago.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Malcolm, Gary [mailto:gmalcolm at professionalcredit.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 4:47 PM
>To: NYPHP Talk
>Subject: RE: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>
>first of all: wow.
>
>second, is it necessary to have the info outside of the database as files?
>can you create an XML document on the fly by request?
>
>I do this out of a 10 year old proprietary db with 2000+ requests an hour
>and it seems to work fine. IF you can, let the db handle your storage
>
>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Larry Chuon [mailto:LarryC at indexstock.com]
>>Sent: Tuesday, 06 May, 2003 1:41 PM
>>To: NYPHP Talk
>>Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
>>
>>
>>I have nearly a million XML files generated from the database
>>for products
>>in my OSSuite application.  What is the best way to handle so
>>many tiny
>>files?  Windows crawl to its knees when I try to open up the
>>directory where
>>the files locate at.  Is there a way to optimize disk I/O?
>>
>>
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From bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com  Tue May  6 16:47:43 2003
From: bfeqx44002 at sneakemail.com (gadhra)
Date: Tue,  6 May 2003 16:47:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XML files
Message-ID: <200305062047.h46Klhol022832@parsec.nyphp.org>

Hi Larry,

What are you trying to do with the files?

+gadhra+(/s)



Larry Chuon LarryC-at-indexstock.com |NY PHP| wrote:

>I have nearly a million XML files generated from the database for products
>in my OSSuite application.  What is the best way to handle so many tiny
>files?  Windows crawl to its knees when I try to open up the directory where
>the files locate at.  Is there a way to optimize disk I/O?
>
>
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>
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>




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