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[Joe Crawford Jr.]

$500/wk will pay all my monthy bills here in vermont

Joe Crawford Jr.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phillip Powell" <phillip.powell at adnet-sys.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more


> Joe Crawford Jr. wrote:
>
> >I would work for $500 a week as long as that was after taxes ;)
> >
> >i am in Vermont heh and i have no degree, however i gurantee you my
coding
> >style and skills are top level ;)
> >
> >Joe Crawford Jr.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jayesh Sheth" <jayeshsh at ceruleansky.com>
> >To: <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 12:43 PM
> >Subject: [nycphp-talk] when PHP outsourcing is not cheap any more
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Hello all,
> >>
> >>I came across an interesting ad on Google which led me here:
> >>http://php-mysql-developer.com/default.aspx?aff=google&key=php_india_6mo
> >>
> >>It seemes a programmer in India who lives outside of where I grew up
> >>(Pune) is advertising his services on Google. He is the requesting the
> >>small sum of $500 per week for his services, provided that he is
> >>guaranteed a minimum of 6 months of employment.
> >>
> >>In his FAQ, he has these snippets:
> >>
> >>"
> >>What do I seek?
> >>I am looking for a full-time telecommuting job as a PHP/MySQL developer.
> >>I will work as a WEB-BASED employee to your company , or in other words,
> >>I will work from my location and communicate with you over the Internet.
> >>
> >>[...]
> >>
> >>Isn't the salary you are asking for, low?
> >>NO. I live in India where a salary of $500 is sufficient for my needs,
> >>provided I have a job security.
> >>
> >>[...]
> >>What are your other traits?
> >>Intelligent, Sharp, Hard working, tech-savvy, self-managing, honest,
> >>committed, excellent communication skills.
> >>
> >>I hope I have answered some of your questions. Here is MY CHALLENGE :
> >>I can perform the job of TWO developers alone. I can take up projects
> >>from scratch, design and develop them all by myself. The end result
> >>would be comparable or BETTER than what a developer with $80,000 annual
> >>salary would do! GUARANTEED!!
> >>"
> >>
> >>I just visited my family in India this spring, and I say with certainty
> >>that $2000 per month is a HUGE sum in India. Even talented developers
> >>there are paid $500 - $600 per month.
> >>
> >>I have nothing against outsourcing - I think it can be quite useful in
> >>some cases. But the thing is, it is surprising to find individuals based
> >>in India marketing themselves with such self-assurance: asking $2000 per
> >>month and 6 months of *guaranteed* employement and claiming to be able
> >>to do the work of two people over that period of time.
> >>
> >>This curious offer could mean one of several things:
> >>- The demand for outsourced services from India has gone up so much that
> >>their prices will soon be approaching New York prices
> >>- This guy is marketing himself at prices WAY above standard Indian
> >>rates and in fact employing other people
> >>- Another, unknown factor is at work
> >>
> >>On a side note, I recently posted a help wanted ad on Craigslist for
> >>some direct (snail) mail marketing work - I got over 100 resumes, some
> >>from people with MBAs. And from operating in the New York tech market
> >>for some time now, I know what kind of pressure there is on the price of
> >>services. Often, if I propose an hourly rate, the sale won't be made or
> >>will be harder than if I had proposed a fixed bid for a project.
> >>
> >>So, putting any resentment or bias aside, can anyone else explain what's
> >>going on here?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>- Jay Sheth
> >>PS: some time ago there was a thread at NYPHP talk which I did not
> >>bother to respond to; it went something like this (I am exagerating):
> >>PHP programmers in India are paid $10 per month! OMG! Well, rest assured
> >>that they are paid a decent amount ($200 - $500 per month), but
> >>definitely NOT $2000 per month. Even graduates from their top colleges
> >>(IIT, for example), make about $8000 - $10000 per year.
> >>
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> $500/wk wouldn't buy you dinner where I live (Washington, DC).
>
> Phil
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