leam, i appreciate that, that is however one that i have it's 3rd ed i have and didnt find that book too useful... -- Joseph Crawford Jr. Codebowl Solutions codebowl at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/talk/attachments/20050614/8654676d/attachment.html>