From chsnyder at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 14:59:27 2006
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 14:59:27 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] number of files in a directory?
In-Reply-To: <p06230900bfdcd71dbbb2@192.168.0.101>
References: <20051224184241.AEAC8670C20@mailspool3.panix.com>
	<p06230900bfdcd71dbbb2@192.168.0.101>
Message-ID: <b76252690601011159p388fb0b0jc2de19122610baca@mail.gmail.com>

On 12/31/05, Marc Antony Vose <suzerain at suzerain.com> wrote:
> Hey all:
>
> First of all:  Happy New Year!
>
> Secondly: I am rebuilding a site that was coded somewhat sloppily,
> and they have product images all stored in one directory (a script
> that I am not writing auto-uploads them to the web server from
> elsewhere).  Presently, this directory contains about 33,000 files.
> It will be more like 75,000 when the site launches, if things remain
> the same.
>
> The question is:  should I be worried about this, or was this only a
> problem several years ago? (I remember people at one time attempting
> to not put too many files in one place.)
>
> If I should be worried, what could happen?  Will we ever reach a hard
> limit of files per directory?
>
> Is it better if each product instead has its own directory inside
> there (i.e., 75,000 directories), each with as many files as we need
> inside, or is that just the same problem?
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Marc Antony Vose
> http://www.suzerain.com/
>

Beyond possible performance issues, another thing to consider is
scalability. If you're going to have 75,000 images at launch, how many
will there be in 3 years?

At the very least, having a year- or year-and-month-based directory
structure will allow you to add new storage as it becomes necessary.
So images/2005/ and images/2006/ can be on one partition, while
images/2007/ is on another.


--
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/

From arzala at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 00:32:17 2006
From: arzala at gmail.com (Anirudh Zala)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:02:17 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] number of files in a directory?
In-Reply-To: <p06230900bfdcd71dbbb2@[192.168.0.101]>
References: <20051224184241.AEAC8670C20@mailspool3.panix.com>
	<p06230900bfdcd71dbbb2@[192.168.0.101]>
Message-ID: <op.s2qkb3po6dyt8l@aum1.aum.com>

Hi,

# First of all, do not use word [OT] while discussing such important issues here, because this kind of problems/queries can be part of any programming environment. Seeing [OT] as subject of your query, will reduce chance of your replies upto 50%.

# Anwyay straight to your point:

=> Never, as per my thinking, use only 1 location to store all your images or dynamic contents. Because it increases chance of serving your images slower, and it enhances threat of stealing them from your website without your information.

=> Another thing from your usage point of view is that: Storing all images at only 1 place will slow down serving your images to users, because I am sure you will have usage of php functions like "is_file" or "file_exists" in your script to check whether images actually exists or not before showing them to users. Reason is that when you have almost 100, 000 images at 1 place then above function will take lot of time then scanning 1000 or 5000 images if you store 1000 images in 100 folders approx.

=> Hence split number of images to be stored in each directory by 1000 or so, or consider usage of PRODUCT ID etc. i.e if you have 100 products, then strcture of your directory system will look like below.

\.....
	\images

		\1
			\RECORDID_SOME>10CHARACTERHASH.EXT (i.e 123456_aswe34567bg.jpg)
		\2
			\RECORDID_SOME>10CHARACTERHASH.EXT (i.e 7890_aswertgyuionjui.jpg)
		\3
			\.......
		\4
			\.......
		....

=> As above strcture says; under your main images folder "images", create folder according to "PRODUCT ID" and store images of number records by "RECORDID_SOME>10DIGITHASH.EXT". In your table/s of records, you will have unique "RECORDID" for your each record. We also need > 10 character hash as suffix of your images, so that stealers can not ever guess how many images you have in particular folder and if they want to hoover it by automatic script, they can't find what and where to search. But make sure that you will have approx 1000 to 5000 images in each product folder (i.e 1,2,3 etc). If you think number of images will exceed than that, then use slightly different strcuture, like factors of 100s. i.e 1_100, 101_200, 201_300 etc. But make sure that RECORDIF must fall in between factor of 100s i.e if your image name is like "7890_aswertgyuionjui.jpg" them it should go under "7801_7900" folder only.

=> Also disable Directory Index of main image folder "images" so that your server will not expose your whole directory structure  to anyone who tries to access that folder directly from browser. Instead, server will generate error 403 (access forbidden).

=> Please note that by above implementation, do not worry if number of folder reaches > 1000, but numebr of files must be smaller or almost same in each folder, because going into any of 1000 folder and displaying any image from there is far more faster, when server is Linux as you said earlier, than displaying same image from haystack of 1000 X 1000 images.

=> Another suggestion is, if your website is going to have faster movement of records like at a time only 50000 records are active but millions of records are sold or inactive and your vistors/users are surfing with those 50000 records mainly, then split location of images into 2 categories like "images" and "sold_images" so that total number of images in your active images will not exceed certain number, and your website will give consistent performance even if number of records or visitors are increasing.

# Other extra suggestions:

=> If you are using NAS using technologies like NFS etc. then beware of using function like "is_dir" or "file_exists" or any other funcion which check existance of file/folder. So try to avoid using those functions when you have lot of images or folders are to be first checked and only then to be displayed while storing those images on NAS. Because checking above items on same hard drive is very much faster than checking on remote drive.

=> When you have lot of images are to be served, then Bandwidth becomes important issue to be taken into account. Because images can not almost be compressed while sending them to browser for display. Hence they will use full bandiwdth that it needs. In this situation, if you do not need those images to be printed, keep resolution of images upto 72 only, because images to be shown on monitor can be displayed well with 72 resolution than for printing. By this way you can save lot of disk space. But if you need to offer those images for printing as well then you will need to keep 2 versions of images, however only if you have enough storage capacity, 1: for showing in browser only with resolution of 72 and 2: for printing with higher resolution that you require..

=> Finally, of course, "Keep your city clean". So design a backend script that can match number of records in your database and images required for that. So if records are not there in your db, then no need to keep those images.

Hope these guidelines will help you in solving most of your queries for image storing.


Thanks,

Anirudh Zala


On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 06:23:38 +0530, Marc Antony Vose <suzerain at suzerain.com> wrote:

> Hey all:
>
> First of all:  Happy New Year!
>
> Secondly: I am rebuilding a site that was coded somewhat sloppily,
> and they have product images all stored in one directory (a script
> that I am not writing auto-uploads them to the web server from
> elsewhere).  Presently, this directory contains about 33,000 files.
> It will be more like 75,000 when the site launches, if things remain
> the same.
>
> The question is:  should I be worried about this, or was this only a
> problem several years ago? (I remember people at one time attempting
> to not put too many files in one place.)
>
> If I should be worried, what could happen?  Will we ever reach a hard
> limit of files per directory?
>
> Is it better if each product instead has its own directory inside
> there (i.e., 75,000 directories), each with as many files as we need
> inside, or is that just the same problem?
>
> Cheers,
>



-- 
-----------------------------------------------------
Anirudh Zala (Production Manager)
ASPL, http://www.aspl.in
Ph: +91 281 245 1894
arzala at gmail.com
-----------------------------------------------------


From hendler at simmons.edu  Mon Jan  2 10:10:20 2006
From: hendler at simmons.edu (Jonathan)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 10:10:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] importing 650,000 records
In-Reply-To: <20051231125412.6ccc2a96@wit.genoverly.home>
References: <8d9a42800512310951t2289fec9q29b5a9b295b9b659@mail.gmail.com>
	<20051231125412.6ccc2a96@wit.genoverly.home>
Message-ID: <43B9425C.3030402@simmons.edu>

This import happens once?
While a direct MySQL solution will be more reliable and faster - 
wouldn't using prepared statements through PHP/ADODB speed up the import?
More importantly, I agree you shouldn't have any indexes until after the 
import is complete. An index slows down inserts increasingly as the size 
of the DB increases.


michael wrote:

>On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:51:02 -0500
>Joseph Crawford <codebowl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hey everyone.
>>
>>I have a client who has a comma delimited file each line being a new
>>record. currently i am trying to import this data into their new
>>system.  The file is 40mb in size and contains 650,000 records.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Why use php?  Just use mysql to import the file.
>
>  
>



From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 11:26:19 2006
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 11:26:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] number of files in a directory?
In-Reply-To: <op.s2qkb3po6dyt8l@aum1.aum.com>
References: <20051224184241.AEAC8670C20@mailspool3.panix.com>
	<p06230900bfdcd71dbbb2@192.168.0.101> <op.s2qkb3po6dyt8l@aum1.aum.com>
Message-ID: <330532b60601020826l5457205et70dbf5d608ee726c@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps more important than the number of inodes available is the
filesystem that the images are stored on. ReiserFS is really good at
one approach, and XFS is good with an entirely different approach.

Some filesystems are great at thousands of directories, and others are
great at thousands of files in one directory. So you do need to take
that factor into consideration - and ask what types of filesystems are
available to you on your hosted machine.

--
Mitch Pirtle
Joomla! Core Developer
Open Source Matters


From max.goldberg at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 19:36:58 2006
From: max.goldberg at gmail.com (max goldberg)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:36:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] number of files in a directory?
In-Reply-To: <p06230900bfdcd71dbbb2@192.168.0.101>
References: <20051224184241.AEAC8670C20@mailspool3.panix.com>
	<p06230900bfdcd71dbbb2@192.168.0.101>
Message-ID: <87e6ded30601021636x62bcef2av3cbbe3055b1feaa1@mail.gmail.com>

I started a site a couple years ago which had a similar problem. Users can
create pages and each page had one or many assets.

At first I just did /content/page_id/assets.ext, after I got to 32,000
directories, it stopped working. At that point I moved to a system where I
had 250 directories like, 0, 1000, 2000, 3000, etc. Each of those
directories had 1000 sub directories in them, each named after the page_id.
After I got to around 300,000 sub directories and a little over a million
files, I moved to a completely md5 based system.

I tried to avoid keeping track of files in the database as it tends to get
messy, but I suppose it's inevitable. The benefits of an md5 system for me
outweigh a non md5 system. This may not be the case for you but the main
drawing points to me were:

1) Lowered server I/O, there were quite a few duplicated files. Each time
two identical files were read, they were pulled from two different spots on
the disk. My site quickly grew to using huge amounts of I/O. (around
15,000-20,000 hits a minute on the content server). This definitely helped
out for me as some files were duplicated over 1,000 times.

2) Made it a lot easier to keep track of what was being used and what
wasn't. Without a DB back end I couldn't tell which files I could delete and
which I needed to keep without writing a script that basically checked every
directory for a matching entry in the database.

3) Lowered disk space. Again duplicate files.

4) Allowed me to ban certain images and other files, mass delete things that
had a certain md5 attached to it. This is very useful if you will ever need
to moderate or have troublesome users.

The downside is that you have to make sure your code really keeps track of
your file system and you aren't accessing it by hand. Another thing you
might worry about using md5 is collisions. If this is a mission critical
system, you may want to avoid md5 as it is possible (but somewhat unlikely)
you will encounter collisions. I've read anyone with a decent computer can
create an md5 collision in about an hour, so that's something to keep in
mind.

The way I structured my file system was three levels of single character
directories.

/content/a-f0-9/a-f0-9/a-f0-9/filename.ext (4096 directories (16*16*16))

This way I can take any asset md5 and figure out it's location on the file
system without database access, and leaves ample room for expansion, as well
as moving large (or small) chunks to other servers. At this point I am using
this system for over a million files and most of the sub directories only
have a few hundred files in them tops.

If you decided to use a single directory approach you will most likely run
into quite a few problems. I remember when I had around 15-20,000 files,
everything I did in that directory became extra slow. With the setup I'm
using now I don't really get any lag.

Hope that helped.
-Max













On 12/31/05, Marc Antony Vose <suzerain at suzerain.com> wrote:
>
> Hey all:
>
> First of all:  Happy New Year!
>
> Secondly: I am rebuilding a site that was coded somewhat sloppily,
> and they have product images all stored in one directory (a script
> that I am not writing auto-uploads them to the web server from
> elsewhere).  Presently, this directory contains about 33,000 files.
> It will be more like 75,000 when the site launches, if things remain
> the same.
>
> The question is:  should I be worried about this, or was this only a
> problem several years ago? (I remember people at one time attempting
> to not put too many files in one place.)
>
> If I should be worried, what could happen?  Will we ever reach a hard
> limit of files per directory?
>
> Is it better if each product instead has its own directory inside
> there (i.e., 75,000 directories), each with as many files as we need
> inside, or is that just the same problem?
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Marc Antony Vose
> http://www.suzerain.com/
>
> Imagination is more important than knowledge.
> -- Albert Einstein
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From tedd at sperling.com  Mon Jan  2 19:57:13 2006
From: tedd at sperling.com (tedd)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 19:57:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] number of files in a directory?
In-Reply-To: <87e6ded30601021636x62bcef2av3cbbe3055b1feaa1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051224184241.AEAC8670C20@mailspool3.panix.com>
	<p06230900bfdcd71dbbb2@192.168.0.101>
	<87e6ded30601021636x62bcef2av3cbbe3055b1feaa1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230903bfdf7b70f918@[192.168.0.100]>

>I started a site a couple years ago which had a similar problem. 
>Users can create pages and each page had one or many assets.
>
>At first I just did /content/page_id/assets.ext, after I got to 
>32,000 directories, it stopped working. At that point I moved to a 
>system where I had 250 directories like, 0, 1000, 2000, 3000, etc. 
>Each of those directories had 1000 sub directories in them, each 
>named after the page_id. After I got to around 300,000 sub 
>directories and a little over a million files, I moved to a 
>completely md5 based system.
>
>I tried to avoid keeping track of files in the database as it tends 
>to get messy, but I suppose it's inevitable. The benefits of an md5 
>system for me outweigh a non md5 system. This may not be the case 
>for you but the main drawing points to me were:
>
>1) Lowered server I/O, there were quite a few duplicated files. Each 
>time two identical files were read, they were pulled from two 
>different spots on the disk. My site quickly grew to using huge 
>amounts of I/O. (around 15,000-20,000 hits a minute on the content 
>server). This definitely helped out for me as some files were 
>duplicated over 1,000 times.
>
>2) Made it a lot easier to keep track of what was being used and 
>what wasn't. Without a DB back end I couldn't tell which files I 
>could delete and which I needed to keep without writing a script 
>that basically checked every directory for a matching entry in the 
>database.
>
>3) Lowered disk space. Again duplicate files.
>
>4) Allowed me to ban certain images and other files, mass delete 
>things that had a certain md5 attached to it. This is very useful if 
>you will ever need to moderate or have troublesome users.
>
>The downside is that you have to make sure your code really keeps 
>track of your file system and you aren't accessing it by hand. 
>Another thing you might worry about using md5 is collisions. If this 
>is a mission critical system, you may want to avoid md5 as it is 
>possible (but somewhat unlikely) you will encounter collisions. I've 
>read anyone with a decent computer can create an md5 collision in 
>about an hour, so that's something to keep in mind.
>
>The way I structured my file system was three levels of single 
>character directories.
>
>/content/a-f0-9/a-f0-9/a-f0-9/filename.ext (4096 directories (16*16*16))
>
>This way I can take any asset md5 and figure out it's location on 
>the file system without database access, and leaves ample room for 
>expansion, as well as moving large (or small) chunks to other 
>servers. At this point I am using this system for over a million 
>files and most of the sub directories only have a few hundred files 
>in them tops.
>
>If you decided to use a single directory approach you will most 
>likely run into quite a few problems. I remember when I had around 
>15-20,000 files, everything I did in that directory became extra 
>slow. With the setup I'm using now I don't really get any lag.
>
>Hope that helped.
>-Max
>
>

This topic is beginning to sound like a problem that a binary tree 
might provide a solution. Anyone have any references for php b-trees?

tedd
-- 
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From keremtuzemen at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 20:21:12 2006
From: keremtuzemen at gmail.com (Kerem Tuzemen)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:21:12 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] number of files in a directory?
References: <20051224184241.AEAC8670C20@mailspool3.panix.com><p06230900bfdcd71dbbb2@192.168.0.101>
	<87e6ded30601021636x62bcef2av3cbbe3055b1feaa1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002701c61003$fca9a380$7c7ba8c0@OKTPresario>

Hi Folks, 

Have you ever considered using reiserfs? I would highly recommend it, especially if you are dealing with small files.

Take a look at : http://www.namesys.com/ or google around for reiserfs

They have good documentation and a bunch of benchmarks.

I am not sure if the version 4 of reiserfs is stable yet, it's been a while since I read the site thoroughly. But to my experience (I am currently using it in production on a very busy server serving around 2 million php pages with an average of 10 photos per page - guess where the photos are stored) it provides quite a solution with its version 3 which comes standard with most of the linux distros. Just enable it with kernel parameters, format your partition with reiserfs and you're ready to go. 

I hope this helps to everybody who look for a similar solution. 

Cheers,

Kerem Tuzemen
[Shameless plug] Ex NewYorker trapped in DC who is looking for a job in the NYC [/Shameless plug] 


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: max goldberg 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 7:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] [OT] number of files in a directory?


  I started a site a couple years ago which had a similar problem. Users can create pages and each page had one or many assets.

  At first I just did /content/page_id/assets.ext, after I got to 32,000 directories, it stopped working. At that point I moved to a system where I had 250 directories like, 0, 1000, 2000, 3000, etc. Each of those directories had 1000 sub directories in them, each named after the page_id. After I got to around 300,000 sub directories and a little over a million files, I moved to a completely md5 based system. 

  I tried to avoid keeping track of files in the database as it tends to get messy, but I suppose it's inevitable. The benefits of an md5 system for me outweigh a non md5 system. This may not be the case for you but the main drawing points to me were: 

  1) Lowered server I/O, there were quite a few duplicated files. Each time two identical files were read, they were pulled from two different spots on the disk. My site quickly grew to using huge amounts of I/O. (around 15,000-20,000 hits a minute on the content server). This definitely helped out for me as some files were duplicated over 1,000 times. 

  2) Made it a lot easier to keep track of what was being used and what wasn't. Without a DB back end I couldn't tell which files I could delete and which I needed to keep without writing a script that basically checked every directory for a matching entry in the database. 

  3) Lowered disk space. Again duplicate files.

  4) Allowed me to ban certain images and other files, mass delete things that had a certain md5 attached to it. This is very useful if you will ever need to moderate or have troublesome users. 

  The downside is that you have to make sure your code really keeps track of your file system and you aren't accessing it by hand. Another thing you might worry about using md5 is collisions. If this is a mission critical system, you may want to avoid md5 as it is possible (but somewhat unlikely) you will encounter collisions. I've read anyone with a decent computer can create an md5 collision in about an hour, so that's something to keep in mind. 

  The way I structured my file system was three levels of single character directories. 

  /content/a-f0-9/a-f0-9/a-f0-9/filename.ext (4096 directories (16*16*16))

  This way I can take any asset md5 and figure out it's location on the file system without database access, and leaves ample room for expansion, as well as moving large (or small) chunks to other servers. At this point I am using this system for over a million files and most of the sub directories only have a few hundred files in them tops. 

  If you decided to use a single directory approach you will most likely run into quite a few problems. I remember when I had around 15-20,000 files, everything I did in that directory became extra slow. With the setup I'm using now I don't really get any lag. 

  Hope that helped.
  -Max

   












  On 12/31/05, Marc Antony Vose < suzerain at suzerain.com> wrote:
    Hey all:

    First of all:  Happy New Year!

    Secondly: I am rebuilding a site that was coded somewhat sloppily,
    and they have product images all stored in one directory (a script
    that I am not writing auto-uploads them to the web server from
    elsewhere).  Presently, this directory contains about 33,000 files. 
    It will be more like 75,000 when the site launches, if things remain
    the same.

    The question is:  should I be worried about this, or was this only a
    problem several years ago? (I remember people at one time attempting 
    to not put too many files in one place.)

    If I should be worried, what could happen?  Will we ever reach a hard
    limit of files per directory?

    Is it better if each product instead has its own directory inside 
    there (i.e., 75,000 directories), each with as many files as we need
    inside, or is that just the same problem?

    Cheers,

    --
    Marc Antony Vose
    http://www.suzerain.com/ 

    Imagination is more important than knowledge.
    -- Albert Einstein
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From smanes at magpie.com  Mon Jan  2 20:26:51 2006
From: smanes at magpie.com (Steve Manes)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:26:51 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] number of files in a directory?
In-Reply-To: <87e6ded30601021636x62bcef2av3cbbe3055b1feaa1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051224184241.AEAC8670C20@mailspool3.panix.com>	<p06230900bfdcd71dbbb2@192.168.0.101>
	<87e6ded30601021636x62bcef2av3cbbe3055b1feaa1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43B9D2DB.8000100@magpie.com>

max goldberg wrote:
> The downside is that you have to make sure your code really keeps track 
> of your file system and you aren't accessing it by hand. Another thing 
> you might worry about using md5 is collisions. If this is a mission 
> critical system, you may want to avoid md5 as it is possible (but 
> somewhat unlikely) you will encounter collisions. I've read anyone with 
> a decent computer can create an md5 collision in about an hour, so 
> that's something to keep in mind.

Yeah, this is probably the best the solution.  To avoid collisions what 
you want to do is assign a unique database ID to every asset, use that 
ID to create the MD5 hash, then store the asset with a filename 
containing that unique ID.  That should eliminate collisions.  The worst 
that can happen is that you'll have two different files in the same 
directory but with different filenames, which is cool.

A function like this could be used to both plant the file in the MD5 
filesystem and extract its path later on based on that unique ID:

function get_upload_target($file_id) {
     $hash_id = md5($file_id);
     $subdir = substr($hash_id, 0, 3) .
       '/' .
       substr($hash_id, 3, 3);
     return $subdir;
   }

Use case: someone uploads the file "mykitty.jpg" and it's inserted into 
the database as id=1234.  get_upload_target(1234) returns:

  81d/c9b

The file is then written as $ASSET_DIR/81d/c9b/1234

Or 1234.jpg, or 1234.mykitty.jpg, whatever.  I like to give the file a 
recognizable file type extension.

To extract that file later, just run the ID through get_upload_target() 
again to build the filesystem path.


From arzala at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 00:42:04 2006
From: arzala at gmail.com (Anirudh Zala)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:12:04 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] number of files in a directory?
In-Reply-To: <87e6ded30601021636x62bcef2av3cbbe3055b1feaa1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20051224184241.AEAC8670C20@mailspool3.panix.com>
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On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 06:06:58 +0530, max goldberg <max.goldberg at gmail.com> wrote:

> I started a site a couple years ago which had a similar problem. Users can
> create pages and each page had one or many assets.
>
> At first I just did /content/page_id/assets.ext, after I got to 32,000
> directories, it stopped working. At that point I moved to a system where I
> had 250 directories like, 0, 1000, 2000, 3000, etc. Each of those
> directories had 1000 sub directories in them, each named after the page_id.
> After I got to around 300,000 sub directories and a little over a million
> files, I moved to a completely md5 based system.
>
> I tried to avoid keeping track of files in the database as it tends to get
> messy, but I suppose it's inevitable. The benefits of an md5 system for me
> outweigh a non md5 system. This may not be the case for you but the main
> drawing points to me were:

Sometimes you must need to store those values related to images into database because you need to store various information of images like size, height, width, original file name etc, for which DB storage is inevitable. I also prefer to store various image information like size, height, width into db directly to display it anywhere rather than finding those values on the fly using functions like "getimagesize()" etc. But if you think you will not need those information regarding images and you just need to display it, then you can avoid usage of DB.

>
> 1) Lowered server I/O, there were quite a few duplicated files. Each time
> two identical files were read, they were pulled from two different spots on
> the disk. My site quickly grew to using huge amounts of I/O. (around
> 15,000-20,000 hits a minute on the content server). This definitely helped
> out for me as some files were duplicated over 1,000 times.
>
> 2) Made it a lot easier to keep track of what was being used and what
> wasn't. Without a DB back end I couldn't tell which files I could delete and
> which I needed to keep without writing a script that basically checked every
> directory for a matching entry in the database.
>
> 3) Lowered disk space. Again duplicate files.
>
> 4) Allowed me to ban certain images and other files, mass delete things that
> had a certain md5 attached to it. This is very useful if you will ever need
> to moderate or have troublesome users.
>
> The downside is that you have to make sure your code really keeps track of
> your file system and you aren't accessing it by hand. Another thing you
> might worry about using md5 is collisions. If this is a mission critical
> system, you may want to avoid md5 as it is possible (but somewhat unlikely)
> you will encounter collisions. I've read anyone with a decent computer can
> create an md5 collision in about an hour, so that's something to keep in
> mind.
>

I don't understand how can there be collisions with generating randome hash? Consider below method to generate 16 digit random hash.

$hash=substr(md5(md5(time().rand().$GLOBALS['REMOTE_ADDR'].microtime()).time()),0,16);

Can you ever get duplicate hash by above method? I don't think so. However usage of "md5()" only might do that. However main purpose of using hash value in filename is to avoid stealing of them because by this way stealers can't directly downaload images by guessing directory and file name structure of your website. Moreover in file name like

\RECORDID_SOME>10CHARACTERHASH.EXT (i.e 123456_aswe34567bg.jpg)

where we use combination of "primary column ID 123456" of particualr record that is attached to this image and above mentioned 10 to 16 digit hash will solve both of our purposes. Since RECORDID is always unique, you will never have duplication of images, that is for sure.

> The way I structured my file system was three levels of single character
> directories.
>
> /content/a-f0-9/a-f0-9/a-f0-9/filename.ext (4096 directories (16*16*16))
>
> This way I can take any asset md5 and figure out it's location on the file
> system without database access, and leaves ample room for expansion, as well
> as moving large (or small) chunks to other servers. At this point I am using
> this system for over a million files and most of the sub directories only
> have a few hundred files in them tops.

This is another good mechanism of storing large number of files efficiently. But I would like to know a real example of this "filename.ext". I assume if it is just like "ASSET.ext" i.e 1.jpg, 1234.jpg, 4567.jpg then I would say that your system is prone to stealing of your images. md5 or another kind of hash, here, gives you protection against it since stealers can't guess exact file name of your images and even if they try hard, they wont get benefited much.

>
> If you decided to use a single directory approach you will most likely run
> into quite a few problems. I remember when I had around 15-20,000 files,
> everything I did in that directory became extra slow. With the setup I'm
> using now I don't really get any lag.
>
> Hope that helped.
> -Max
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/31/05, Marc Antony Vose <suzerain at suzerain.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey all:
>>
>> First of all:  Happy New Year!
>>
>> Secondly: I am rebuilding a site that was coded somewhat sloppily,
>> and they have product images all stored in one directory (a script
>> that I am not writing auto-uploads them to the web server from
>> elsewhere).  Presently, this directory contains about 33,000 files.
>> It will be more like 75,000 when the site launches, if things remain
>> the same.
>>
>> The question is:  should I be worried about this, or was this only a
>> problem several years ago? (I remember people at one time attempting
>> to not put too many files in one place.)
>>
>> If I should be worried, what could happen?  Will we ever reach a hard
>> limit of files per directory?
>>
>> Is it better if each product instead has its own directory inside
>> there (i.e., 75,000 directories), each with as many files as we need
>> inside, or is that just the same problem?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> --
>> Marc Antony Vose
>> http://www.suzerain.com/
>>
>> Imagination is more important than knowledge.
>> -- Albert Einstein
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
>> AMP Technology
>> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>> http://www.nyphp.org
>>
>



-- 
-----------------------------------------------------
Anirudh Zala (Production Manager)
ASPL, http://www.aspl.in
Ph: +91 281 245 1894
arzala at gmail.com
-----------------------------------------------------


From max.goldberg at gmail.com  Tue Jan  3 00:55:05 2006
From: max.goldberg at gmail.com (max goldberg)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 00:55:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] number of files in a directory?
In-Reply-To: <op.s2sfgegc6dyt8l@aum1.aum.com>
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I was trying to explain that I use a straight md5 sum of each file (the
contents) as the file name, to keep from storing and serving duplicate
files. When a user uploads a file that already exists in my system, it
discards it and just links to the previously uploaded version. I have no
concern about people "stealing" my images as filename has relatively little
to do with it. The files are stored with a 32 character md5 and a filetype
extension.

I guess it really depends on what your major goals are.

On 1/3/06, Anirudh Zala <arzala at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 06:06:58 +0530, max goldberg <max.goldberg at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I started a site a couple years ago which had a similar problem. Users
> can
> > create pages and each page had one or many assets.
> >
> > At first I just did /content/page_id/assets.ext, after I got to 32,000
> > directories, it stopped working. At that point I moved to a system where
> I
> > had 250 directories like, 0, 1000, 2000, 3000, etc. Each of those
> > directories had 1000 sub directories in them, each named after the
> page_id.
> > After I got to around 300,000 sub directories and a little over a
> million
> > files, I moved to a completely md5 based system.
> >
> > I tried to avoid keeping track of files in the database as it tends to
> get
> > messy, but I suppose it's inevitable. The benefits of an md5 system for
> me
> > outweigh a non md5 system. This may not be the case for you but the main
> > drawing points to me were:
>
> Sometimes you must need to store those values related to images into
> database because you need to store various information of images like size,
> height, width, original file name etc, for which DB storage is inevitable. I
> also prefer to store various image information like size, height, width into
> db directly to display it anywhere rather than finding those values on the
> fly using functions like "getimagesize()" etc. But if you think you will not
> need those information regarding images and you just need to display it,
> then you can avoid usage of DB.
>
> >
> > 1) Lowered server I/O, there were quite a few duplicated files. Each
> time
> > two identical files were read, they were pulled from two different spots
> on
> > the disk. My site quickly grew to using huge amounts of I/O. (around
> > 15,000-20,000 hits a minute on the content server). This definitely
> helped
> > out for me as some files were duplicated over 1,000 times.
> >
> > 2) Made it a lot easier to keep track of what was being used and what
> > wasn't. Without a DB back end I couldn't tell which files I could delete
> and
> > which I needed to keep without writing a script that basically checked
> every
> > directory for a matching entry in the database.
> >
> > 3) Lowered disk space. Again duplicate files.
> >
> > 4) Allowed me to ban certain images and other files, mass delete things
> that
> > had a certain md5 attached to it. This is very useful if you will ever
> need
> > to moderate or have troublesome users.
> >
> > The downside is that you have to make sure your code really keeps track
> of
> > your file system and you aren't accessing it by hand. Another thing you
> > might worry about using md5 is collisions. If this is a mission critical
> > system, you may want to avoid md5 as it is possible (but somewhat
> unlikely)
> > you will encounter collisions. I've read anyone with a decent computer
> can
> > create an md5 collision in about an hour, so that's something to keep in
> > mind.
> >
>
> I don't understand how can there be collisions with generating randome
> hash? Consider below method to generate 16 digit random hash.
>
>
> $hash=substr(md5(md5(time().rand().$GLOBALS['REMOTE_ADDR'].microtime()).time()),0,16);
>
> Can you ever get duplicate hash by above method? I don't think so. However
> usage of "md5()" only might do that. However main purpose of using hash
> value in filename is to avoid stealing of them because by this way stealers
> can't directly downaload images by guessing directory and file name
> structure of your website. Moreover in file name like
>
> \RECORDID_SOME>10CHARACTERHASH.EXT (i.e 123456_aswe34567bg.jpg)
>
> where we use combination of "primary column ID 123456" of particualr
> record that is attached to this image and above mentioned 10 to 16 digit
> hash will solve both of our purposes. Since RECORDID is always unique, you
> will never have duplication of images, that is for sure.
>
> > The way I structured my file system was three levels of single character
> > directories.
> >
> > /content/a-f0-9/a-f0-9/a-f0-9/filename.ext (4096 directories (16*16*16))
> >
> > This way I can take any asset md5 and figure out it's location on the
> file
> > system without database access, and leaves ample room for expansion, as
> well
> > as moving large (or small) chunks to other servers. At this point I am
> using
> > this system for over a million files and most of the sub directories
> only
> > have a few hundred files in them tops.
>
> This is another good mechanism of storing large number of files
> efficiently. But I would like to know a real example of this "filename.ext".
> I assume if it is just like "ASSET.ext" i.e 1.jpg, 1234.jpg, 4567.jpg then
> I would say that your system is prone to stealing of your images. md5 or
> another kind of hash, here, gives you protection against it since stealers
> can't guess exact file name of your images and even if they try hard, they
> wont get benefited much.
>
> >
> > If you decided to use a single directory approach you will most likely
> run
> > into quite a few problems. I remember when I had around 15-20,000 files,
> > everything I did in that directory became extra slow. With the setup I'm
> > using now I don't really get any lag.
> >
> > Hope that helped.
> > -Max
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/31/05, Marc Antony Vose <suzerain at suzerain.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey all:
> >>
> >> First of all:  Happy New Year!
> >>
> >> Secondly: I am rebuilding a site that was coded somewhat sloppily,
> >> and they have product images all stored in one directory (a script
> >> that I am not writing auto-uploads them to the web server from
> >> elsewhere).  Presently, this directory contains about 33,000 files.
> >> It will be more like 75,000 when the site launches, if things remain
> >> the same.
> >>
> >> The question is:  should I be worried about this, or was this only a
> >> problem several years ago? (I remember people at one time attempting
> >> to not put too many files in one place.)
> >>
> >> If I should be worried, what could happen?  Will we ever reach a hard
> >> limit of files per directory?
> >>
> >> Is it better if each product instead has its own directory inside
> >> there (i.e., 75,000 directories), each with as many files as we need
> >> inside, or is that just the same problem?
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> --
> >> Marc Antony Vose
> >> http://www.suzerain.com/
> >>
> >> Imagination is more important than knowledge.
> >> -- Albert Einstein
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> >> AMP Technology
> >> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> >> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >> http://www.nyphp.org
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Anirudh Zala (Production Manager)
> ASPL, http://www.aspl.in
> Ph: +91 281 245 1894
> arzala at gmail.com
> -----------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
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> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
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From suzerain at suzerain.com  Tue Jan  3 02:18:31 2006
From: suzerain at suzerain.com (Marc Antony Vose)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 02:18:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] number of files in a directory?
In-Reply-To: <43B9D2DB.8000100@magpie.com>
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Hey y'all:

Thanks for the thoughtful notes.  As usual, people here have given me 
entirely new ways to think about things.

In my case, I'm not accepting uploads from web site visitors; all 
these images are coming from the owner of the site.  They are a store 
that sells one-of-a-kind rare items, and at any given time there will 
be an inventory of ~75,000.

Each item in the inventory will have something like 6-10 images, each 
used for different purposes (for example, we will be displaying 
rotatable versions of the products via Flash).

However, they've indicated a future desire to be able to offer people 
order histories, and so forth, so for the time being sold items will 
be kept in the system.  So the probability of getting into the 
millions pretty quickly with images is definitely there.

It seems, then, like the most sensible idea for me is to create md5() 
hashed directories based on the product ID number (rather than image 
ID number), as I don't think it's necessary for me to store 
information about every image in the database.

So, if I translated the product ID number into something like

IMAGES_DIR/ab5/81d

I could then store inside that directory any images which are needed 
for the particular product.  Something like:

12345_signature.jpg
12345_rotate_1.jpg
12345_rotate_2.jpg
12345_rotate_3.jpg
12345_rotate_4.jpg
12345_rotate_5.jpg
12345_rotate_6.jpg
12345_thumb.jpg

I suppose it is probable under this scenario that two different 
products will end up with the same path, since we're only using the 
first 6 characters of the hash. but it shouldn't really matter as 
long as I have the images keyed with the product ID as well.

Anyone see any major red flags with this strategy?

Cheers,

Marc


>max goldberg wrote:
>  > The downside is that you have to make sure your code really keeps track
>>  of your file system and you aren't accessing it by hand. Another thing
>>  you might worry about using md5 is collisions. If this is a mission
>>  critical system, you may want to avoid md5 as it is possible (but
>>  somewhat unlikely) you will encounter collisions. I've read anyone with
>>  a decent computer can create an md5 collision in about an hour, so
>>  that's something to keep in mind.
>
>Yeah, this is probably the best the solution.  To avoid collisions what
>you want to do is assign a unique database ID to every asset, use that
>ID to create the MD5 hash, then store the asset with a filename
>containing that unique ID.  That should eliminate collisions.  The worst
>that can happen is that you'll have two different files in the same
>directory but with different filenames, which is cool.
>
>A function like this could be used to both plant the file in the MD5
>filesystem and extract its path later on based on that unique ID:
>
>function get_upload_target($file_id) {
>      $hash_id = md5($file_id);
>      $subdir = substr($hash_id, 0, 3) .
>        '/' .
>        substr($hash_id, 3, 3);
>      return $subdir;
>    }
>
>Use case: someone uploads the file "mykitty.jpg" and it's inserted into
>the database as id=1234.  get_upload_target(1234) returns:
>
>   81d/c9b
>
>The file is then written as $ASSET_DIR/81d/c9b/1234
>
>Or 1234.jpg, or 1234.mykitty.jpg, whatever.  I like to give the file a
>recognizable file type extension.
>
>To extract that file later, just run the ID through get_upload_target()
>again to build the filesystem path.


From hendler at simmons.edu  Tue Jan  3 14:18:14 2006
From: hendler at simmons.edu (Jonathan)
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 14:18:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problems loading a custom, shared extension
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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Fri Jan  6 00:45:59 2006
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 21:45:59 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] C++,C#,Java, Python, Ruby, and finally .. PHP5
In-Reply-To: <43BACDF6.5030908@simmons.edu>
References: <002201c60440$b8865ff0$6501a8c0@MZ> <43BACDF6.5030908@simmons.edu>
Message-ID: <20721-23697@sneakemail.com>

Just thought it worth highlighting how Bruce Eckel (C++ standards guy, 
long time C/Java expert author) wrote an article in December about 
technical aspects of Ruby/Rails evangelism entitled "the Departure of 
the Hyper Enthusiasts". He touched on C/C++, Java, Python, Ruby, and 
Perl, comparing and contrastng them as solutions. He ends up picking 
PHP5 because:

" I'm going to find something drop-dead simple to solve my drop-dead 
simple problems. Probably PHP5, which actually includes most of Java and 
C++ syntax, amazingly enough, and I wonder if that isn't what made IBM 
adopt it."

http://www.artima.com/forums/flat.jsp?forum=106&thread=141312

I paid very-serious-money to learn C++ from Bruce many years ago, and 
repeated with an intro Java course when it took over. As an advanced 
instructor he's been around the block with the details... he's not just 
a talking head. So it is interesting to me when he abandons Zope and 
Python for his web app because he wants a simple solution to the common 
problem of web-based database driven application. He loves Python, but 
chooses PHP over Rails and python for the MVC app that is driving Rails 
popularity.

I could have told him that :-)

On the other hand, is this a sign of PHP's new corporate love affair, 
and can we now expect traveling PHP trainers pursuing "enterprise 
application development with PHP" gigs?

-=john andrews (holding on to his hat)
htp://www.seo-fun.com






From ken at secdat.com  Fri Jan  6 06:52:11 2006
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 06:52:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] C++,C#,Java, Python, Ruby, and finally .. PHP5
In-Reply-To: <20721-23697@sneakemail.com>
References: <002201c60440$b8865ff0$6501a8c0@MZ>
	<43BACDF6.5030908@simmons.edu> <20721-23697@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <36185.38.117.147.25.1136548331.squirrel@38.117.147.25>

Well I don't have his clout but i picked it for the same reason.

I wrote my company's basic app first in C#, then converted it to Java,
then PHP.  PHP wants to help me work, Java wants to tell me what to
believe.

> Just thought it worth highlighting how Bruce Eckel (C++ standards guy,
> long time C/Java expert author) wrote an article in December about
> technical aspects of Ruby/Rails evangelism entitled "the Departure of
> the Hyper Enthusiasts". He touched on C/C++, Java, Python, Ruby, and
> Perl, comparing and contrastng them as solutions. He ends up picking
> PHP5 because:
>
> " I'm going to find something drop-dead simple to solve my drop-dead
> simple problems. Probably PHP5, which actually includes most of Java and
> C++ syntax, amazingly enough, and I wonder if that isn't what made IBM
> adopt it."
>
> http://www.artima.com/forums/flat.jsp?forum=106&thread=141312
>
> I paid very-serious-money to learn C++ from Bruce many years ago, and
> repeated with an intro Java course when it took over. As an advanced
> instructor he's been around the block with the details... he's not just
> a talking head. So it is interesting to me when he abandons Zope and
> Python for his web app because he wants a simple solution to the common
> problem of web-based database driven application. He loves Python, but
> chooses PHP over Rails and python for the MVC app that is driving Rails
> popularity.
>
> I could have told him that :-)
>
> On the other hand, is this a sign of PHP's new corporate love affair,
> and can we now expect traveling PHP trainers pursuing "enterprise
> application development with PHP" gigs?
>
> -=john andrews (holding on to his hat)
> htp://www.seo-fun.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
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> http://www.nyphp.org
>


-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software
631-379-0010
ken at secdat.com
PO Box 708
East Setauket, NY 11733



From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri Jan  6 12:23:34 2006
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:23:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] C++,C#,Java, Python, Ruby, and finally .. PHP5
In-Reply-To: <36185.38.117.147.25.1136548331.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
References: <002201c60440$b8865ff0$6501a8c0@MZ> <43BACDF6.5030908@simmons.edu>
	<20721-23697@sneakemail.com>
	<36185.38.117.147.25.1136548331.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
Message-ID: <012D1F4E-A10E-48BF-8340-69DCC50714CA@jonbaer.com>

It was pretty funny to listen how DHH of RoR called PHP "the devil"  
in the Chicago presentation ..
http://www.djangoproject.com/snakesandrubies/

I think much of what he disliked is reflective of pre-OO PHP, I think  
in a nutshell someone just beat everyone to a clean clear  
ActiveRecord API and tons of videocasts :-)

Im currently playing around w/ Trails (java), Rails, and CakePHP and  
so far I think the DRY comfort in Rails is the best for now (opinion)  
but still wait to see what the Zend framework will offer.  Is there  
any further word on it?

I think someone I overheard @ B&N the other day put it nicely that  
there shouldn't have to be books upon books about PHP database  
connectivity, security, etc (Java same problem) that make up the  
actual language and the reason for Rails pickup is that it is a clear  
concise path in which "you don't have to worry about that stuff".   
Something which makes up for our fast-paced XP environments we have  
today.

- Jon

On Jan 6, 2006, at 6:52 AM, Kenneth Downs wrote:

> Well I don't have his clout but i picked it for the same reason.
>
> I wrote my company's basic app first in C#, then converted it to Java,
> then PHP.  PHP wants to help me work, Java wants to tell me what to
> believe.
>
>> Just thought it worth highlighting how Bruce Eckel (C++ standards  
>> guy,
>> long time C/Java expert author) wrote an article in December about
>> technical aspects of Ruby/Rails evangelism entitled "the Departure of
>> the Hyper Enthusiasts". He touched on C/C++, Java, Python, Ruby, and
>> Perl, comparing and contrastng them as solutions. He ends up picking
>> PHP5 because:
>>
>> " I'm going to find something drop-dead simple to solve my drop-dead
>> simple problems. Probably PHP5, which actually includes most of  
>> Java and
>> C++ syntax, amazingly enough, and I wonder if that isn't what made  
>> IBM
>> adopt it."
>>
>> http://www.artima.com/forums/flat.jsp?forum=106&thread=141312
>>
>> I paid very-serious-money to learn C++ from Bruce many years ago, and
>> repeated with an intro Java course when it took over. As an advanced
>> instructor he's been around the block with the details... he's not  
>> just
>> a talking head. So it is interesting to me when he abandons Zope and
>> Python for his web app because he wants a simple solution to the  
>> common
>> problem of web-based database driven application. He loves Python,  
>> but
>> chooses PHP over Rails and python for the MVC app that is driving  
>> Rails
>> popularity.
>>
>> I could have told him that :-)
>>
>> On the other hand, is this a sign of PHP's new corporate love affair,
>> and can we now expect traveling PHP trainers pursuing "enterprise
>> application development with PHP" gigs?
>>
>> -=john andrews (holding on to his hat)
>> htp://www.seo-fun.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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From mike.n at zend.com  Fri Jan  6 13:05:35 2006
From: mike.n at zend.com (Mike Naberezny)
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 10:05:35 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] C++,C#,Java, Python, Ruby, and finally .. PHP5
In-Reply-To: <012D1F4E-A10E-48BF-8340-69DCC50714CA@jonbaer.com>
References: <002201c60440$b8865ff0$6501a8c0@MZ>
	<43BACDF6.5030908@simmons.edu>	<20721-23697@sneakemail.com>	<36185.38.117.147.25.1136548331.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
	<012D1F4E-A10E-48BF-8340-69DCC50714CA@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <43BEB16F.3020808@zend.com>

Jon Baer wrote:
> I think someone I overheard @ B&N the other day put it nicely that  
> there shouldn't have to be books upon books about PHP database  
> connectivity, security, etc (Java same problem) that make up the  
> actual language and the reason for Rails pickup is that it is a clear  
> concise path in which "you don't have to worry about that stuff".   

You're just as likely to forget to call escapehtml() or h() in Rails as you 
are htmlentities() in PHP.  Just because the PHP security community tries very 
hard to raise awareness through books and lectures doesn't make PHP any less 
secure than anything else, or mean that Rails or other solutions are more 
secure.  Developers need to pay constant attention to security practices 
regardless of the platform.  You always need to "worry about that stuff".

Mike


From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri Jan  6 14:07:30 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:07:30 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Static Methods Usage
Message-ID: <000a01c612f4$716c7010$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

As I refactor my code yet again, I am torn about whether to make
wide-spread use of static methods (in PHP 5) when appropriate.

The manual says:

"Declaring class members or methods as static makes them accessible
without needing an instantiation of the class....In fact static method
calls are resolved at compile time."

I presume this makes static method calls faster. But by enough to make
it worthwhile? Thoughts? Opinions? Suggestions?



From andrew at plexpod.com  Fri Jan  6 14:47:59 2006
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 14:47:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Static Methods Usage
In-Reply-To: <000a01c612f4$716c7010$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
References: <000a01c612f4$716c7010$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <20060106194759.GU26280@desario.homelinux.net>

On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 02:07:30PM -0500, Cliff Hirsch wrote:
> As I refactor my code yet again, I am torn about whether to make
> wide-spread use of static methods (in PHP 5) when appropriate.
> 
> The manual says:
> 
> "Declaring class members or methods as static makes them accessible
> without needing an instantiation of the class....In fact static method
> calls are resolved at compile time."
> 
> I presume this makes static method calls faster. But by enough to make
> it worthwhile? Thoughts? Opinions? Suggestions?

If all your methods are static then you're OO code is not too much
different than prcocedural code. So, the answer is to use them when
appropriate.

Here's a basic guideline:
- Use static methods when the code in them does not refer to instance
  data ($this).
- Use regular methods when they need to operate on instance data.

Example:
    class Human {
        private $Name = '';

        public function GetName() {
            return $this->Name;
        }

        public function SetName($Name) {
            $this->Name = $Name;
        }

        public static function GetLatinName() {
            return 'Homo Sapien';
        }
    }

HTH,
Andrew

-- 
Andrew Yochum
Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879


From krook at us.ibm.com  Fri Jan  6 15:25:09 2006
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 15:25:09 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Static Methods Usage
In-Reply-To: <20060106194759.GU26280@desario.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <OF8A8F315F.043D4AB7-ON852570EE.006F6FF6-852570EE.00702A85@us.ibm.com>

Cliff & Andrew,

> On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 02:07:30PM -0500, Cliff Hirsch wrote:
> > As I refactor my code yet again, I am torn about whether to make
> > wide-spread use of static methods (in PHP 5) when appropriate.
...
> 
> If all your methods are static then you're OO code is not too much
> different than prcocedural code. So, the answer is to use them when
> appropriate.


I disagree that extensive use of static methods makes your OOP code 
equivalent to procedural code (meaning that you'd want to avoid it). While 
it's true that you can essentially just create function namespaces when 
you do this, conceptually you're still binding operations under an object 
with distinct responsibilities.

I tend to use static methods for read only operations on particular other 
objects.  For example:
$dogs = DogManager::getLatestAdoptableDogs();

foreach ($dogs as $dog) {
        echo $dog->firstName;
}

When I need to write to a database I like to use a singleton* instance of 
that manager to make sure that only one update is happening on a shared 
connection at any given time.  For example:
$dog = new Dog($someData);

$dm = DogManager::getInstance();
$dogId = $dm->saveDog($dog);
$dm->createAdoptionRecord($dogId, $humanId);

In any case, I tend to do much of this without consideration for 
performance.  Logically organized code with intuitive responsibilities 
takes higher precedence in my mind, so I would encourage you to use static 
methods in your new code.

HTH,
-Dan


*Information on PHP 5 Singletons: 
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/coming-soon-webserver-near/9




Daniel Krook, Content Tools Developer
Global Production Services - Tools, ibm.com

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From andrew at plexpod.com  Fri Jan  6 16:15:47 2006
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:15:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Static Methods Usage
In-Reply-To: <OF8A8F315F.043D4AB7-ON852570EE.006F6FF6-852570EE.00702A85@us.ibm.com>
References: <20060106194759.GU26280@desario.homelinux.net>
	<OF8A8F315F.043D4AB7-ON852570EE.006F6FF6-852570EE.00702A85@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20060106211547.GV26280@desario.homelinux.net>

On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 03:25:09PM -0500, Daniel Krook wrote:
> Cliff & Andrew,
> 
> > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 02:07:30PM -0500, Cliff Hirsch wrote:
> > > As I refactor my code yet again, I am torn about whether to make
> > > wide-spread use of static methods (in PHP 5) when appropriate.
> ...
> > 
> > If all your methods are static then you're OO code is not too much
> > different than prcocedural code. So, the answer is to use them when
> > appropriate.
> 
> 
> I disagree that extensive use of static methods makes your OOP code 
> equivalent to procedural code (meaning that you'd want to avoid it). While 
> it's true that you can essentially just create function namespaces when 
> you do this, conceptually you're still binding operations under an object 
> with distinct responsibilities.

I agree.  From Cliff's original note I had somehow gotten the impression
that Cliff thought they were speedier therefore should be used
everywhere, though now I realize that is incorrect.  I did not mean to
never use them, just not to make *every* method static because its
slightly faster.  They are extremely useful and valuable in everyday
code.
 
> I tend to use static methods for read only operations on particular other 
> objects.  For example:
> $dogs = DogManager::getLatestAdoptableDogs();
> 
> foreach ($dogs as $dog) {
>         echo $dog->firstName;
> }
> 
> When I need to write to a database I like to use a singleton* instance of 
> that manager to make sure that only one update is happening on a shared 
> connection at any given time.  For example:
> $dog = new Dog($someData);
> 
> $dm = DogManager::getInstance();
> $dogId = $dm->saveDog($dog);
> $dm->createAdoptionRecord($dogId, $humanId);

Great examples.  Singletons and factory methods are great places for
static methods.  Note that such methods won't usually use the $this
variable, thus my guideline.  Though, consider it a guide - not a hard
rule.
 
> In any case, I tend to do much of this without consideration for 
> performance.  Logically organized code with intuitive responsibilities 
> takes higher precedence in my mind, so I would encourage you to use static 
> methods in your new code.

Agreed.  I'd like to add that well-designed OO comes with practice.
You'll refactor code, and make it better, and learn.  Next time you code
something similar, you'll recognize the pattern and do it the better way
first.  Wash, rinse, repeat.

Regards,
Andrew
-- 
Andrew Yochum
Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879


From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri Jan  6 16:36:54 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:36:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Static Methods Usage
In-Reply-To: <20060106211547.GV26280@desario.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c61309$52852a10$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

I think part of my confusion is mixing static and object methods in one
class while envisioning the future. As an example, I have this call:

Class::Method(...)

The method in Class then calls another method in the same Class as
$this->anothermethod

Bad, bad, bad

The call must be self::anothermethod

I guess the point is that any static method in a class better use self::
to call other methods in the same class. And when that's all deciphered,
luck would have it that I'll probably decide how handy it would be to
add a few private properties... 
-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Andrew Yochum
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:16 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Static Methods Usage


On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 03:25:09PM -0500, Daniel Krook wrote:
> Cliff & Andrew,
> 
> > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 02:07:30PM -0500, Cliff Hirsch wrote:
> > > As I refactor my code yet again, I am torn about whether to make 
> > > wide-spread use of static methods (in PHP 5) when appropriate.
> ...
> > 
> > If all your methods are static then you're OO code is not too much 
> > different than prcocedural code. So, the answer is to use them when 
> > appropriate.
> 
> 
> I disagree that extensive use of static methods makes your OOP code
> equivalent to procedural code (meaning that you'd want to avoid it).
While 
> it's true that you can essentially just create function namespaces
when 
> you do this, conceptually you're still binding operations under an
object 
> with distinct responsibilities.

I agree.  From Cliff's original note I had somehow gotten the impression
that Cliff thought they were speedier therefore should be used
everywhere, though now I realize that is incorrect.  I did not mean to
never use them, just not to make *every* method static because its
slightly faster.  They are extremely useful and valuable in everyday
code.
 
> I tend to use static methods for read only operations on particular 
> other
> objects.  For example:
> $dogs = DogManager::getLatestAdoptableDogs();
> 
> foreach ($dogs as $dog) {
>         echo $dog->firstName;
> }
> 
> When I need to write to a database I like to use a singleton* instance

> of
> that manager to make sure that only one update is happening on a
shared 
> connection at any given time.  For example:
> $dog = new Dog($someData);
> 
> $dm = DogManager::getInstance();
> $dogId = $dm->saveDog($dog); $dm->createAdoptionRecord($dogId, 
> $humanId);

Great examples.  Singletons and factory methods are great places for
static methods.  Note that such methods won't usually use the $this
variable, thus my guideline.  Though, consider it a guide - not a hard
rule.
 
> In any case, I tend to do much of this without consideration for
> performance.  Logically organized code with intuitive responsibilities

> takes higher precedence in my mind, so I would encourage you to use
static 
> methods in your new code.

Agreed.  I'd like to add that well-designed OO comes with practice.
You'll refactor code, and make it better, and learn.  Next time you code
something similar, you'll recognize the pattern and do it the better way
first.  Wash, rinse, repeat.

Regards,
Andrew
-- 
Andrew Yochum
Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879
_______________________________________________
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From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 16:51:57 2006
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:51:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL Query Help
Message-ID: <8d9a42800601061351m663179dcl896c7725e2272a83@mail.gmail.com>

Hello guys,

I have a sql query that basically copies data from one table to another,
here is the query

use mydb;
update Vtems left join  feed on Vtems.MCN=feed.mcn
set VItems.Inventory= case (VItems.V_ID)
when 'CN3' then feed.cn3quan
when 'CN4' then feed.cn4quan
when 'CN5' then feed.cn5quan
when 'CN6' then feed.cn6quan
when 'CN7' then feed.cn7quan
when 'CN8' then feed.cn8quan
when 'CN9' then feed.cn9quan
when 'CN10' then feed.cn10quan
when 'CN11' then feed.cn11quan
when 'CN16' then feed.cn16quan
else '' end
,VItems.ItemCst = feed.unitcost,
VItems.ItemPrce = feed.unitcost
commit;


We have a php cron job which executes and runs this query, however it takes
anywhere between 4-8 hours for this to run on 50,000 records, now this
number will also grow and we have determined that the left join is what is
slowing it down.  What i need to know is do you have any suggestions on a
better method for doing this that would speed it up considerably.

I know we could run this on the mysql command line and we have tried.  It
seems to take just as long on the command line as the php cron, however we
are also wishing to implement emails when there are errors etc..  The avg
time is 6 hours on the production server to complete the import.

Thanks,
--
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
1-802-671-2021
codebowl at gmail.com
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From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 16:53:37 2006
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 16:53:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL Query Help
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800601061353j66678c1ey1dc766c00b355054@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800601061351m663179dcl896c7725e2272a83@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d9a42800601061353j66678c1ey1dc766c00b355054@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800601061353q57015406u3e97628c6ec590ed@mail.gmail.com>

I would also like to note that the production server is this

2 x 2.8 Ghz processors with 2 GB memory, and nothing lese other than the
mail server on it

Thanks,
--
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
1-802-671-2021
codebowl at gmail.com
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From jeffrey.knight at gmail.com  Fri Jan  6 17:02:05 2006
From: jeffrey.knight at gmail.com (Jeffrey Knight)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:02:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL Query Help
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800601061351m663179dcl896c7725e2272a83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800601061351m663179dcl896c7725e2272a83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <be2628410601061402j27fe831bid3a1e803a86dbda1@mail.gmail.com>

I take it that Vtems.MCN and feed.mcn are indexed?

Jeff
New York, NY

On 1/6/06, Joseph Crawford <codebowl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello guys,
>
>  I have a sql query that basically copies data from one table to another,
> here is the query
>
>  use mydb;
>  update Vtems left join  feed on Vtems.MCN=feed.mcn
>  set VItems.Inventory= case (VItems.V_ID)
>  when 'CN3' then feed.cn3quan
>  when 'CN4' then feed.cn4quan
>  when 'CN5' then feed.cn5quan
>  when 'CN6' then feed.cn6quan
>  when 'CN7' then feed.cn7quan
>  when 'CN8' then feed.cn8quan
>  when 'CN9' then feed.cn9quan
>  when 'CN10' then feed.cn10quan
>  when 'CN11' then feed.cn11quan
>  when 'CN16' then feed.cn16quan
>  else '' end
>  ,VItems.ItemCst = feed.unitcost,
>  VItems.ItemPrce = feed.unitcost
>  commit;
>
>
>  We have a php cron job which executes and runs this query, however it takes
> anywhere between 4-8 hours for this to run on 50,000 records, now this
> number will also grow and we have determined that the left join is what is
> slowing it down.  What i need to know is do you have any suggestions on a
> better method for doing this that would speed it up considerably.
>
>  I know we could run this on the mysql command line and we have tried.  It
> seems to take just as long on the command line as the php cron, however we
> are also wishing to implement emails when there are errors etc..  The avg
> time is 6 hours on the production server to complete the import.
>
>  Thanks,
> --
> Joseph Crawford Jr.
> Zend Certified Engineer
> Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
> 1-802-671-2021
> codebowl at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>
>


From Consult at CovenantEDesign.com  Fri Jan  6 17:33:55 2006
From: Consult at CovenantEDesign.com (CED)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 17:33:55 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL Query Help
References: <8d9a42800601061351m663179dcl896c7725e2272a83@mail.gmail.com>
	<be2628410601061402j27fe831bid3a1e803a86dbda1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009f01c61311$473f4b60$1519a8c0@ced>

lol

Indexes are for panzies!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Knight" <jeffrey.knight at gmail.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Cc: <andrew at licketyship.com>
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] MySQL Query Help


I take it that Vtems.MCN and feed.mcn are indexed?

Jeff
New York, NY

On 1/6/06, Joseph Crawford <codebowl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello guys,
>
>  I have a sql query that basically copies data from one table to another,
> here is the query
>
>  use mydb;
>  update Vtems left join  feed on Vtems.MCN=feed.mcn
>  set VItems.Inventory= case (VItems.V_ID)
>  when 'CN3' then feed.cn3quan
>  when 'CN4' then feed.cn4quan
>  when 'CN5' then feed.cn5quan
>  when 'CN6' then feed.cn6quan
>  when 'CN7' then feed.cn7quan
>  when 'CN8' then feed.cn8quan
>  when 'CN9' then feed.cn9quan
>  when 'CN10' then feed.cn10quan
>  when 'CN11' then feed.cn11quan
>  when 'CN16' then feed.cn16quan
>  else '' end
>  ,VItems.ItemCst = feed.unitcost,
>  VItems.ItemPrce = feed.unitcost
>  commit;
>
>
>  We have a php cron job which executes and runs this query, however it
takes
> anywhere between 4-8 hours for this to run on 50,000 records, now this
> number will also grow and we have determined that the left join is what is
> slowing it down.  What i need to know is do you have any suggestions on a
> better method for doing this that would speed it up considerably.
>
>  I know we could run this on the mysql command line and we have tried.  It
> seems to take just as long on the command line as the php cron, however we
> are also wishing to implement emails when there are errors etc..  The avg
> time is 6 hours on the production server to complete the import.
>
>  Thanks,
> --
> Joseph Crawford Jr.
> Zend Certified Engineer
> Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
> 1-802-671-2021
> codebowl at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>
>
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From ken at secdat.com  Fri Jan  6 18:43:35 2006
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:43:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL Query Help
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800601061351m663179dcl896c7725e2272a83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800601061351m663179dcl896c7725e2272a83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37048.38.117.147.25.1136591015.squirrel@38.117.147.25>

I'll bet you'll see major speedup with two items:

1) Indexes required: VItems.mcn, VItems.V_ID, VItems.mcn

2) Break up the command into multiple commands, varying for CN3, CN4 etc:

update VItems set
       VItems.Inventory= feed.cn3quan
      ,VItems.ItemCst  = feed.unitcost
      ,VItems.ItemPrce = feed.unitcost
  from feed
 where VItems.MCN=feed.mcn
   and VItems.V_ID = 'CN3'

(Disclaimer: I don't use MySQL so you may have to tweak the SQL for
syntactical variations).

Here is why this should work.

FIRST, Transaction performance goes *exponentially* as the number of rows
in the transaction.  Consider 10 transactions of 5000 rows each, you get
(5000^2) * 10 = 2.5e8 "units" of time.  But one transaction of (50,000^2)
or 2.5e9 "units" of time, 10 times as long!

SECOND, It's really easy to test.  If the theory is right, the first
command will take 1/10 of 1/10 of the total time, or 1/10 of ( 1/10 of 4
hours ) = 2.4 minutes.  This is of course only a rule of thumb, but at
least it won't take 4 hours to find out :)

THIRD.  If this works, the best thing to do is cut the cron job down to
every five minutes.  I'm assuming  you clear the "feeds" table every time
you finish the job, so if you go every 5 minutes the transactions are
always very tiny.  You could possibly go back to one command in that case.

On a totally different track, we call this entire operation a "transpose".
 In particular it is a de-normalizing transpose, turning a normalized feed
into a denormalized feed.  These are always bad, and this will give you
trouble forever.  If you have control over the database and can get rid of
this your life would be much better for it.

Hope this helps.


> Hello guys,
>
> I have a sql query that basically copies data from one table to another,
> here is the query
>
> use mydb;
> update Vtems left join  feed on Vtems.MCN=feed.mcn
> set VItems.Inventory= case (VItems.V_ID)
> when 'CN3' then feed.cn3quan
> when 'CN4' then feed.cn4quan
> when 'CN5' then feed.cn5quan
> when 'CN6' then feed.cn6quan
> when 'CN7' then feed.cn7quan
> when 'CN8' then feed.cn8quan
> when 'CN9' then feed.cn9quan
> when 'CN10' then feed.cn10quan
> when 'CN11' then feed.cn11quan
> when 'CN16' then feed.cn16quan
> else '' end
> ,VItems.ItemCst = feed.unitcost,
> VItems.ItemPrce = feed.unitcost
> commit;
>
>
> We have a php cron job which executes and runs this query, however it
> takes
> anywhere between 4-8 hours for this to run on 50,000 records, now this
> number will also grow and we have determined that the left join is what is
> slowing it down.  What i need to know is do you have any suggestions on a
> better method for doing this that would speed it up considerably.
>
> I know we could run this on the mysql command line and we have tried.  It
> seems to take just as long on the command line as the php cron, however we
> are also wishing to implement emails when there are errors etc..  The avg
> time is 6 hours on the production server to complete the import.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Joseph Crawford Jr.
> Zend Certified Engineer
> Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
> 1-802-671-2021
> codebowl at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org


-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software
631-379-0010
ken at secdat.com
PO Box 708
East Setauket, NY 11733



From lists at zaunere.com  Fri Jan  6 20:35:20 2006
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:35:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problems loading a custom, shared extension
In-Reply-To: <43BACDF6.5030908@simmons.edu>
Message-ID: <000a01c6132a$a14efba0$6501a8c0@MZ>



Jonathan wrote on Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:18 PM:
> Following up... the shared object now loads and works properly!
> 
> Hans, thanks for the tip - it proved to be correct.
> In php4 the only error on loading the extension was that it wasn't a
> valid PHP extension. 
> Under php 5 a better error appears warning precisely :
> 
> "PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: (null): Unable to initialize module
> Module compiled with module API=20050922, debug=1, thread-safety=0
> PHP    compiled with module API=20041030, debug=0, thread-safety=0
> These options need to match."

Great - good to hear it worked...

> In running the function in a loop it is 3x faster than php functionality
> I am replacing.

Interesting - figured it'd be faster, but then again, depending on what it's
doing and the rest of the application, I could understand these findings.
 
> However, when testing with apache ab to more accurately simulate real
> world conditions it is the same speed as the php functionality I am
> replacing. I load the extension in the php.ini file which is about twice
> as fast as using dl() to load the extension.

Heh - don't let certain people hear that :)

> I've learned from this exercise that PHP is written to be fast.
> Any obvious reason that an extension function run a loop is faster than
> an extension which is loaded through the INI?

You mean why the .ini loaded extension is faster than dl() loaded?

It's hard to say actualy.  AFAIK, while the dl() might take a little longer,
once it's loaded, it should run the same.  Now there is the age old debate
about the consequence of shared code, PIC, dynamically loaded .so and all
that good voodoo, but at the end of the day, I think the computer is the
only one who really knows.

That said, I try to "hardwire" things where possible, rather than loading on
the fly (extensions, userland PHP, etc) as I've generally found more
reliable behavior, let alone performance.

---
Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP
   www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com





From codebowl at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 17:47:52 2006
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 17:47:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] file_exists()
Message-ID: <8d9a42800601071447w3a161994qc1681c19b11562ce@mail.gmail.com>

Guys,

I have linked directory in my base directory and i have tried the physical
path to the files too, however file_exists always returns false.

if i ls the dir and grep for the filename it is there

any ideas why this would happen?

--
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
1-802-671-2021
codebowl at gmail.com
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From ken at secdat.com  Sat Jan  7 19:13:32 2006
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 19:13:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] file_exists()
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800601071447w3a161994qc1681c19b11562ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800601071447w3a161994qc1681c19b11562ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37556.38.117.147.25.1136679212.squirrel@38.117.147.25>

Think file_exists() only searches the directory from which execution
began, not necessarily the directory of the current script or the include
path.

There are a few extra routines in the online docs that provide extended
versions of file_exists.

> Guys,
>
> I have linked directory in my base directory and i have tried the physical
> path to the files too, however file_exists always returns false.
>
> if i ls the dir and grep for the filename it is there
>
> any ideas why this would happen?
>
> --
> Joseph Crawford Jr.
> Zend Certified Engineer
> Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
> 1-802-671-2021
> codebowl at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org


-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software
631-379-0010
ken at secdat.com
PO Box 708
East Setauket, NY 11733



From tedd at sperling.com  Sat Jan  7 21:02:08 2006
From: tedd at sperling.com (tedd)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 21:02:08 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] file_exists()
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800601071447w3a161994qc1681c19b11562ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800601071447w3a161994qc1681c19b11562ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230904bfe622a531e6@[192.168.0.100]>

>Guys,
>
>I have linked directory in my base directory and i have tried the 
>physical path to the files too, however file_exists always returns 
>false.
>
>if i ls the dir and grep for the filename it is there
>
>any ideas why this would happen?
>
>--
>Joseph Crawford Jr.

Joesph:

Are you sure about the path? Try writing a file and then check if it's there.

<?php
$filename = '/path/to/foo.txt';

if (file_exists($filename)) {
     echo "The file $filename exists";
} else {
     echo "The file $filename does not exist";
}
?>


tedd
-- 
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http://sperling.com/


From amir.aavani at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 07:33:16 2006
From: amir.aavani at gmail.com (Amir Aavani)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:03:16 +0330
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Saving variable value
Message-ID: <e1ddc2b00601090433h2d4a8a62jac7a72f6e39631c8@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends,

I want to know how PHP, apache act when the server receive a new request.
For example, consider a user enter www.test.com/index.php, is it true that
apache run the "php index.php" or something like this.

I developed a web-site which needs to retrieve some data from database on
every request. These data are dynamic and retrieving them from database take
a long time.

The point is that these data are altering every for example 2 hours. I have
a solution to this problem but I want to know is there is any better
solution.

I tried to write a IndexGenerator.php which is generate all possible output
for index.php with different parameter. And on every request I send the
content of the generated file on the disk to clients.

The exact thing I want to know is that is there any way in php/apache, by
which I can save the value of a variable and retrieve it on a different
request.

Amir
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From lists at genoverly.net  Mon Jan  9 08:19:52 2006
From: lists at genoverly.net (michael)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:19:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Saving variable value
In-Reply-To: <e1ddc2b00601090433h2d4a8a62jac7a72f6e39631c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1ddc2b00601090433h2d4a8a62jac7a72f6e39631c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060109081952.35c55e6a@wit.genoverly.home>

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:03:16 +0330
Amir Aavani <amir.aavani at gmail.com> wrote:

> I developed a web-site which needs to retrieve some data from
> database on every request. These data are dynamic and retrieving them
> from database take a long time.

If retrieving the the data is what takes a long time then it sounds
like the database may need some tuning, not the app. Indexing is known
to help.  Perhaps a 'datamart' style table would help too.. for example,
summarize the data down to the elements the web is looking for.  This
can be done automagically with procedures/triggers on the underlying
base tables,  with a scheduler in the OS or the DB, or with whatever
routine that runs every 2 hours that updates the data.. The web app
could then call a faster/simpler select.


-- 

Michael


From lamolist at cyberxdesigns.com  Mon Jan  9 09:18:05 2006
From: lamolist at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans Kaspersetz)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 09:18:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Saving variable value
In-Reply-To: <e1ddc2b00601090433h2d4a8a62jac7a72f6e39631c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e1ddc2b00601090433h2d4a8a62jac7a72f6e39631c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43C2709D.50503@cyberxdesigns.com>

Sounds like it might be a good candidate for query caching or page caching.

http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.caching.cache-lite.php
This is a PEAR library that offers page and data caching.

http://adodb.sourceforge.net/
This is an abstraction layer but it offers Query caching.

Hans Kaspersetz
http://www.cyberxdesigns.com

Amir Aavani wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> I want to know how PHP, apache act when the server receive a new request.
> For example, consider a user enter www.test.com/index.php, is it true 
> that apache run the "php index.php" or something like this.
>
> I developed a web-site which needs to retrieve some data from database 
> on every request. These data are dynamic and retrieving them from 
> database take a long time.
>
> The point is that these data are altering every for example 2 hours. I 
> have a solution to this problem but I want to know is there is any 
> better solution.
>
> I tried to write a IndexGenerator.php which is generate all possible 
> output for index.php with different parameter. And on every request I 
> send the content of the generated file on the disk to clients.
>
> The exact thing I want to know is that is there any way in php/apache, 
> by which I can save the value of a variable and retrieve it on a 
> different request.
>
> Amir
>
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>
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From chris.weyl at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 11:37:06 2006
From: chris.weyl at gmail.com (Chris Weyl)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:37:06 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] documentation generation?
Message-ID: <7dd7ab490601090837s61b01201h890454fe003e3a56@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all --

I just had a colleague ask about alternatives to phpDocumenter, which
I've been using for some time now.  Does anyone have any
recommendations?  What do people use in documenting their
code/project?

                                           -Chris


From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Mon Jan  9 11:46:02 2006
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 11:46:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] documentation generation?
In-Reply-To: <7dd7ab490601090837s61b01201h890454fe003e3a56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7dd7ab490601090837s61b01201h890454fe003e3a56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43C2934A.2090906@tgaconnect.com>

Chris Weyl wrote:
> Hey all --
> 
> I just had a colleague ask about alternatives to phpDocumenter, which
> I've been using for some time now.  Does anyone have any
> recommendations?  What do people use in documenting their
> code/project?

I like Doxygen for somethings.

Have a look at the following:
http://www.mambodemo.net/listings/

-- 
T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com


From ken at secdat.com  Mon Jan  9 11:50:35 2006
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:50:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] documentation generation?
In-Reply-To: <7dd7ab490601090837s61b01201h890454fe003e3a56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7dd7ab490601090837s61b01201h890454fe003e3a56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38325.38.117.147.25.1136825435.squirrel@38.117.147.25>

Here is a contrary opinion: Don't automate documentation.  I'm a big fan
of automation and automate absolutely everything, always have, and have
had great success doing so.  But no automatic documentation solution ever
satisified me, and I've tried them all, commercial, open-source, and
home-grown.

I finally came to the conclusion that good documentation contains a lot of
stuff that you just can't put into the source code, like example code,
perhaps pictures, links, cross-references and so forth.  Because this
information is different *in-kind* from the details you put into
source-code-based documentation, it should be created in a different
mental context as part of a different effort.  Once you are doing this,
then maintaining auto-doc stuff in the source code means you are putting
it into two places, which is bad, so you drop the docs in the source code
because they are the less important.

> Hey all --
>
> I just had a colleague ask about alternatives to phpDocumenter, which
> I've been using for some time now.  Does anyone have any
> recommendations?  What do people use in documenting their
> code/project?
>
>                                            -Chris
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software
631-379-0010
ken at secdat.com
PO Box 708
East Setauket, NY 11733



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Jan  9 11:51:11 2006
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:51:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] documentation generation?
In-Reply-To: <7dd7ab490601090837s61b01201h890454fe003e3a56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7dd7ab490601090837s61b01201h890454fe003e3a56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060109165111.GA24479@panix.com>

Heya:

On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 11:37:06AM -0500, Chris Weyl wrote:
> 
> I just had a colleague ask about alternatives to phpDocumenter

What's wrong with phpDocumentor?

--Dan

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From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 11:51:43 2006
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 11:51:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] documentation generation?
In-Reply-To: <43C2934A.2090906@tgaconnect.com>
References: <7dd7ab490601090837s61b01201h890454fe003e3a56@mail.gmail.com>
	<43C2934A.2090906@tgaconnect.com>
Message-ID: <330532b60601090851y44e682a9n5cb204770474cd8a@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/9/06, Tim Gales <tgales at tgaconnect.com> wrote:
> Chris Weyl wrote:
> > Hey all --
> >
> > I just had a colleague ask about alternatives to phpDocumenter, which
> > I've been using for some time now.  Does anyone have any
> > recommendations?  What do people use in documenting their
> > code/project?
>
> I like Doxygen for somethings.
>
> Have a look at the following:
> http://www.mambodemo.net/listings/

And we just generated the 1.1 API documentation with phpDocumentor,
found at http://api.joomla.org.

To compare the two, that is an interesting comparison... ;-)

--
Mitch Pirtle
Joomla! Core Developer
Open Source Matters


From chris.weyl at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 13:01:10 2006
From: chris.weyl at gmail.com (Chris Weyl)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 13:01:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] documentation generation?
In-Reply-To: <20060109165111.GA24479@panix.com>
References: <7dd7ab490601090837s61b01201h890454fe003e3a56@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060109165111.GA24479@panix.com>
Message-ID: <7dd7ab490601091001x4349d868y75ac9d41d5fb6f65@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/9/06, Daniel Convissor <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 11:37:06AM -0500, Chris Weyl wrote:
> >
> > I just had a colleague ask about alternatives to phpDocumenter
>
> What's wrong with phpDocumentor?

I think it's just curiosity as to what else is out there.  And, not
being able to answer concretely, it aroused my curiosity as well :)

                       -Chris


From randalrust at gmail.com  Mon Jan  9 15:10:41 2006
From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:10:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Oracle
Message-ID: <a9caffe50601091210g7ef29a93q73ea32bae99ea9c6@mail.gmail.com>

I'm taking a stab at connecting to our Oracle database so that I can
build a prototype of something, based on our actual data structure.

I have enabled the Oracle extension in the .ini file (and verified it
by viewind the information with phpInfo() ), but I keep getting this
error:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function oci_connect() in
C:\web\oracle\test.php on line 12

It seems that the extension is not working. Any thoughts?

It's probably not all that difficult, I'm just not used to the way
Oracle does it's connection thing.

TIA.

--
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com


From dirn at dirnonline.com  Mon Jan  9 15:14:54 2006
From: dirn at dirnonline.com (Andy Dirnberger)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 15:14:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Oracle
In-Reply-To: <a9caffe50601091210g7ef29a93q73ea32bae99ea9c6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009a01c61559$5c0b39b0$9565a8c0@andyabs>

Make sure you are using the php_oci8 extension and not the php_oracle
extension.

DiRN

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Randal Rust
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:11 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Oracle

I'm taking a stab at connecting to our Oracle database so that I can
build a prototype of something, based on our actual data structure.

I have enabled the Oracle extension in the .ini file (and verified it
by viewind the information with phpInfo() ), but I keep getting this
error:

Fatal error: Call to undefined function oci_connect() in
C:\web\oracle\test.php on line 12

It seems that the extension is not working. Any thoughts?

It's probably not all that difficult, I'm just not used to the way
Oracle does it's connection thing.

TIA.

--
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com
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New York PHP Talk Mailing List
AMP Technology
Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org



From max at neuropunks.org  Mon Jan  9 19:21:34 2006
From: max at neuropunks.org (Max Gribov)
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:21:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP forum apps
Message-ID: <43C2FE0E.7010304@neuropunks.org>

Hello all,
quick question about forum software, does anyone have their favorite or
most trusted one?
I looked at phpBB, but their security record is a little scary, and
vBulletin isnt free..
Anything else out there worth checking out? I've heard of plenty of
others, but having a recommendation from this list would be a lot cooler
than freshmeat reviews : )

Thank you!

max



From lists at zaunere.com  Mon Jan  9 23:22:38 2006
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:22:38 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Saving variable value
In-Reply-To: <e1ddc2b00601090433h2d4a8a62jac7a72f6e39631c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002501c6159d$7ef8c840$6501a8c0@MZ>


Hi Amir,

Amir Aavani wrote on Monday, January 09, 2006 7:33 AM:
> Dear Friends,
> 
> I want to know how PHP, apache act when the server receive a new request.
> For example, consider a user enter www.test.com/index.php, is it true
> that apache run the "php index.php" or something like this.

Long story short, yes.  In a typical configuration, a file ending with .php
will be parsed and executed by PHP.

> I developed a web-site which needs to retrieve some data from database on
> every request. These data are dynamic and retrieving them from database
> take a long time.  
> 
> The point is that these data are altering every for example 2 hours. I
> have a solution to this problem but I want to know is there is any better
> solution.

There could be a huge number of solutions, depending on the application and
environment.  To speed up database queries, consider tuning and indexing of
the database.  Or, if the dataset/schema is very large and involves complex
processing, then you'll need to implement a caching or data massaging
scenario.

> I tried to write a IndexGenerator.php which is generate all possible
> output for index.php with different parameter. And on every request I
> send the content of the generated file on the disk to clients.

This would be in line with a caching implementation.

> The exact thing I want to know is that is there any way in php/apache, by
> which I can save the value of a variable and retrieve it on a different
> request.

There are, and they are called sessions, but it's likely not what you need
for this particular case.  You could, however, use a session to store the
currently viewed file of data, and then change the session as needed to
display other types of data.

Best,



---
Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP
   www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com




From lists at zaunere.com  Mon Jan  9 23:35:38 2006
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 23:35:38 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Static Methods Usage
In-Reply-To: <000a01c612f4$716c7010$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <002601c6159f$51c053a0$6501a8c0@MZ>



Cliff Hirsch wrote on Friday, January 06, 2006 2:08 PM:
> As I refactor my code yet again, I am torn about whether to make
> wide-spread use of static methods (in PHP 5) when appropriate.
> 
> The manual says:
> 
> "Declaring class members or methods as static makes them accessible
> without needing an instantiation of the class....In fact static method
> calls are resolved at compile time."
> 
> I presume this makes static method calls faster. But by enough to make
> it worthwhile? Thoughts? Opinions? Suggestions?

As others have mentioned, I wouldn't consider the use of static methods
simply because of performance.  If performance is such a concern, then pure
procedural code - and no OO - will beat out static methods.

Instead, static methods should be considered conceptually.  They provide
functionality that can be executed without an object.  Said another way,
they provide functionality that is object agnostic.  In other words, they
are class specific, rather than object specific.

This is particularly relevant when doing operations that aren't associated
with a particular class instance - or object.  A good example is the
singleton pattern.  Static methods are a must in this case, since you want
to be able to work with a class without concern for a particular instance of
that class, ie, "global" use of a class, rather than a "local" instance of
that class, or in other words, an object.

It's akin to static variables in a function - regardless of the function
call, you need a variable to remain with the same data - static methods and
properties provide a way to access class functionality and data, regardless
of the particular object that's in use.


---
Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP
   www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com





From amir.aavani at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 01:28:52 2006
From: amir.aavani at gmail.com (Amir Aavani)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 09:58:52 +0330
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Saving variable value
Message-ID: <e1ddc2b00601092228s12684367sd62fff6962ad9749@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Hans ,

Can I store the an object(class) in a session?
I though session's can only hold string values!
or you mean I have to add ToString and LoadFromString function to my class.

>There are, and they are called sessions, but it's likely not what you need
>for this particular case.  You could, however, use a session to store the
>currently viewed file of data, and then change the session as needed to
>display other types of data.
>
>Best,
>
Also, Is it  a good idea that php parse every .php file. why not
generating something smaller and simpler to be parsed, for example
generating a .php.parsed file ( which is a binary file instead of
textile) for every .php, in which  "for" strings replaced with code "1",
"while" replaced with "2" and ... , something like Java bytecodes. I
think this may be result in faster execution. It may be usefully if you
don't want the web-host to use or change your codes.

Why not using a multi thread application, a main thread which accepts
requests from apache and this thread itself create new threads for every
new request and can share its variables to these thread?
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From amir.aavani at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 01:47:11 2006
From: amir.aavani at gmail.com (Amir Aavani)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:17:11 +0330
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Saving variable value
Message-ID: <e1ddc2b00601092247y2c6c4824ifa60f36ed101d49f@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, your right but consider a web-site with high request rate. Asking query
from database is a time consuming process? and this (asking query for every
request) may cause some error  (too many open connection to database at same
time or ....).

michael wrote:

On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:03:16 +0330
Amir Aavani <amir.aavani at gmail.com> <amir.aavani at gmail.com> wrote:

   I developed a web-site which needs to retrieve some data from
database on every request. These data are dynamic and retrieving them
from database take a long time.


If retrieving the the data is what takes a long time then it sounds
like the database may need some tuning, not the app. Indexing is known
to help.  Perhaps a 'datamart' style table would help too.. for example,
summarize the data down to the elements the web is looking for.  This
can be done automagically with procedures/triggers on the underlying
base tables,  with a scheduler in the OS or the DB, or with whatever
routine that runs every 2 hours that updates the data.. The web app
could then call a faster/simpler select.
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From yournway at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 06:53:18 2006
From: yournway at gmail.com (Alberto dos Santos)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:53:18 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] updating from a table
Message-ID: <edce57650601100353s729ea989j@mail.gmail.com>

Hello list.

I have he following situation I need to manage:

Given a table datagrid output, I want to export just a couple of records to
a file.
No problem about exporting the records to a file, my issue is how to export
just a few of them.

I thought about having an extra column with a checkbox, with some code, and
trap that on the process.
How can I trap all that dinamically and encapsulate the data onto a variable
to export?

TIA.

--
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From list at harveyk.com  Tue Jan 10 07:49:54 2006
From: list at harveyk.com (harvey)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 07:49:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP forum apps
In-Reply-To: <43C2FE0E.7010304@neuropunks.org>
References: <43C2FE0E.7010304@neuropunks.org>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110074917.04935db8@harveyk.com>

I've tried punBB and it seems pretty good so far


At 07:21 PM 1/9/2006, you wrote:

>Hello all,
>quick question about forum software, does anyone have their favorite or
>most trusted one?
>I looked at phpBB, but their security record is a little scary, and
>vBulletin isnt free..
>Anything else out there worth checking out? I've heard of plenty of
>others, but having a recommendation from this list would be a lot cooler
>than freshmeat reviews : )
>
>Thank you!
>
>max
>
>_______________________________________________
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From codebowl at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 08:04:55 2006
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:04:55 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP forum apps
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110074917.04935db8@harveyk.com>
References: <43C2FE0E.7010304@neuropunks.org>
	<7.0.0.16.2.20060110074917.04935db8@harveyk.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800601100504l495eb827n3c44ccb941dfaea2@mail.gmail.com>

www.k4bb.org is a nice one written in PHP 5 ;)

--
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
1-802-671-2021
codebowl at gmail.com
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From randalrust at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 08:12:11 2006
From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:12:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP and Oracle
In-Reply-To: <009a01c61559$5c0b39b0$9565a8c0@andyabs>
References: <a9caffe50601091210g7ef29a93q73ea32bae99ea9c6@mail.gmail.com>
	<009a01c61559$5c0b39b0$9565a8c0@andyabs>
Message-ID: <a9caffe50601100512m2504709fta830c409529e629@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/9/06, Andy Dirnberger <dirn at dirnonline.com> wrote:

> Make sure you are using the php_oci8 extension and not the php_oracle
> extension.

Ah, that was it. I had the oracle.dll uncommented instead of oci8.

--
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 10:11:27 2006
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 10:11:27 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] documentation generation?
In-Reply-To: <38325.38.117.147.25.1136825435.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
References: <7dd7ab490601090837s61b01201h890454fe003e3a56@mail.gmail.com>
	<38325.38.117.147.25.1136825435.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
Message-ID: <b76252690601100711g1318b881o4507510e5a51662c@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/9/06, Kenneth Downs <ken at secdat.com> wrote:
> Here is a contrary opinion: Don't automate documentation.  I'm a big fan
> of automation and automate absolutely everything, always have, and have
> had great success doing so.  But no automatic documentation solution ever
> satisified me, and I've tried them all, commercial, open-source, and
> home-grown.
>
> I finally came to the conclusion that good documentation contains a lot of
> stuff that you just can't put into the source code, like example code,
> perhaps pictures, links, cross-references and so forth.  Because this
> information is different *in-kind* from the details you put into
> source-code-based documentation, it should be created in a different
> mental context as part of a different effort.  Once you are doing this,
> then maintaining auto-doc stuff in the source code means you are putting
> it into two places, which is bad, so you drop the docs in the source code
> because they are the less important.

But actually there is a need for both kinds of documentation.

The autodoc is the authoritative source for information about your
objects' interfaces, and maintaining *lightweight* documentation in
the code provides immediate benefits to core developers -- especially
if you use a smart IDE that can parse the autodoc and provide hints as
you write.

Once your API is mature, you can use a wiki or cms to build developer
documentation, which contains conceptual descriptions, code samples,
useful patterns, and diagrams -- illustrated with deep links to the
autodoc.

It's not about putting the same information in two places; it's about
having the details handled automatically in one place, so you can
concentrate on the big picture in another.

--
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/

From craig at juxtadigital.com  Tue Jan 10 11:07:15 2006
From: craig at juxtadigital.com (Craig Thomas)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:07:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mktime()
Message-ID: <43C3DBB3.8010102@juxtadigital.com>

Hi all,

Am I nuts or does this look odd:

<?php

for($i=1971;$i<=2099;$i++){

	print $i. ": ";

	if(mktime(0,0,0,0,0,$i) > mktime()){
		print mktime(0,0,0,0,0,$i). " >" .mktime() ;
	}
	else{
		print mktime(0,0,0,0,0,$i). " <" .mktime() ;
	}
	print "<br />";
	
}

?>

-- 
Craig


From craig at juxtadigital.com  Tue Jan 10 11:09:55 2006
From: craig at juxtadigital.com (Craig Thomas)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:09:55 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mktime()
In-Reply-To: <43C3DBB3.8010102@juxtadigital.com>
References: <43C3DBB3.8010102@juxtadigital.com>
Message-ID: <43C3DC53.1040905@juxtadigital.com>

Craig Thomas wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Am I nuts or does this look odd:
> 
> <?php
> 
> for($i=1971;$i<=2099;$i++){
> 
> 	print $i. ": ";
> 
> 	if(mktime(0,0,0,0,0,$i) > mktime()){
> 		print mktime(0,0,0,0,0,$i). " >" .mktime() ;
> 	}
> 	else{
> 		print mktime(0,0,0,0,0,$i). " <" .mktime() ;
> 	}
> 	print "<br />";
> 	
> }
> 
> ?>
> 


Doh!  I need to read closer:

http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.mktime.php

"The number of the year, may be a two or four digit value, with values 
between 0-69 mapping to 2000-2069 and 70-100 to 1970-2000. On systems 
where time_t is a 32bit signed integer, as most common today, the valid 
range for year is somewhere between 1901 and 2038, although this 
limitation is overcome as of PHP 5.1.0."

Sorry,

-- 
Craig



From kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com  Tue Jan 10 11:13:41 2006
From: kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com (Ken Robinson)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:13:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] mktime()
In-Reply-To: <43C3DBB3.8010102@juxtadigital.com>
References: <43C3DBB3.8010102@juxtadigital.com>
Message-ID: <20060110111341.k6k4dulzhxs888kg@www.rbnsn.com>

Quoting Craig Thomas <craig at juxtadigital.com>:

> Hi all,
>
> Am I nuts or does this look odd:
>
> <?php
>
> for($i=1971;$i<=2099;$i++){

PHP time breaks after 2037 (or is it 2031) when the number of seconds since
1/1/1970 overflows the integer that's holding the number.

Ken



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue Jan 10 12:53:33 2006
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:53:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP forum apps
In-Reply-To: <43C2FE0E.7010304@neuropunks.org>
References: <43C2FE0E.7010304@neuropunks.org>
Message-ID: <20060110175333.GA13029@panix.com>

On Mon, Jan 09, 2006 at 07:21:34PM -0500, Max Gribov wrote:
> Hello all,
> quick question about forum software, does anyone have their favorite or
> most trusted one?

http://fudforum.org/forum/ by Ilia Alshanetsky, a member of the PHP 
Security Consortium.

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From jeff.loiselle at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 15:34:35 2006
From: jeff.loiselle at gmail.com (Jeff Loiselle)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:34:35 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] UML Software
Message-ID: <4b1887110601101234h30e137fn4187cc06e430f7db@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone recommend good, free UML diagram software?

---
Jeff Loiselle
Web Developer, Musician, and Observer
http://jeff.loiselles.com


From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Tue Jan 10 15:38:10 2006
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:38:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] UML Software
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358013557F1@network.PLMresearch.com>

Poseidon for UML maybe?  I can't remember if this is still free.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Jeff Loiselle
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 3:35 PM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] UML Software
> 
> 
> Can anyone recommend good, free UML diagram software?
> 
> ---
> Jeff Loiselle
> Web Developer, Musician, and Observer
> http://jeff.loiselles.com
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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Tue Jan 10 15:46:00 2006
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:46:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] UML Software
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358013557F1@network.PLMresearch.com>
References: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358013557F1@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <43C41D08.3030300@tgaconnect.com>

Mark Withington wrote:
> Poseidon for UML maybe?  I can't remember if this is still free.

They have a 'community edition'
http://gentleware.com/edcompare.0.html

in response to:
>>Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] UML Software
>>
>>
>>Can anyone recommend good, free UML diagram software?
>>
>>---
>>Jeff Loiselle
>>Web Developer, Musician, and Observer
>>http://jeff.loiselles.com


-- 
T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com


From felix.shnir at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 16:10:10 2006
From: felix.shnir at gmail.com (Felix Shnir)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:10:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] UML Software
In-Reply-To: <4b1887110601101234h30e137fn4187cc06e430f7db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4b1887110601101234h30e137fn4187cc06e430f7db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee3adaa10601101310m3f6bbfa5v@mail.gmail.com>

Try Argo UML.  Its pretty good.
http://argouml.tigris.org/



2006/1/10, Jeff Loiselle <jeff.loiselle at gmail.com>:
> Can anyone recommend good, free UML diagram software?
>
> ---
> Jeff Loiselle
> Web Developer, Musician, and Observer
> http://jeff.loiselles.com
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>


From list at harveyk.com  Tue Jan 10 16:32:11 2006
From: list at harveyk.com (harvey)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:32:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Document management software for site
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110162615.04ab3ee0@usa.com>

Hello NYphp,

I've got a client who needs a site that will basically just be nicely 
organized "articles".

The issue is that the creation and order of categories, 
subcategories, and articles
might change as new content is created and added to the site. (The 
articles do not have dates).

I've been looking for simple to implement and use document management software.
Some that look interesting are:
- opencms.org
- word-press.net
- ez.no

My needs are pretty simple:
- add/edit/change order of categories and subcategories (probably at 
least three levels deep),
- add/edit/change order of documents to any cat/subcat (nearly 100% 
of docs will be 100% text only),
- automatically generate navigation and subnavigation
- allow customization of design (very basic design is totally fine)
- create page of article summaries within a cat/subcat (nice to have, 
not necesary)
- text/keyword search (nice to have, not necessary)

Any suggestions?

A few PHP scripts that read the contents of properly organized 
folders would probably work for some of the above.
I've written a few that get close to what I want on a folder by folder basis.
But the main issue is that I don't know how the PHP would order the 
documents other than alphabetically/numerically.
But the docs should be able to be displayed in any order, regardless 
of their names...
And in any case, a nicely done software package would probably be 
better if/as the site grows in complexity and needs...

Thanks!
Harvey



From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Tue Jan 10 16:38:44 2006
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:38:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Document management software for site
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110162615.04ab3ee0@usa.com>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110162615.04ab3ee0@usa.com>
Message-ID: <BC1DD622-C172-4ABC-893E-AD1ADE4BA4FF@jonbaer.com>

Try Joomla!

http://www.joomla.org

- Jon

On Jan 10, 2006, at 4:32 PM, harvey wrote:

> Hello NYphp,
>
> I've got a client who needs a site that will basically just be nicely
> organized "articles".
>
> The issue is that the creation and order of categories,
> subcategories, and articles
> might change as new content is created and added to the site. (The
> articles do not have dates).
>
> I've been looking for simple to implement and use document  
> management software.
> Some that look interesting are:
> - opencms.org
> - word-press.net
> - ez.no
>
> My needs are pretty simple:
> - add/edit/change order of categories and subcategories (probably at
> least three levels deep),
> - add/edit/change order of documents to any cat/subcat (nearly 100%
> of docs will be 100% text only),
> - automatically generate navigation and subnavigation
> - allow customization of design (very basic design is totally fine)
> - create page of article summaries within a cat/subcat (nice to have,
> not necesary)
> - text/keyword search (nice to have, not necessary)
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> A few PHP scripts that read the contents of properly organized
> folders would probably work for some of the above.
> I've written a few that get close to what I want on a folder by  
> folder basis.
> But the main issue is that I don't know how the PHP would order the
> documents other than alphabetically/numerically.
> But the docs should be able to be displayed in any order, regardless
> of their names...
> And in any case, a nicely done software package would probably be
> better if/as the site grows in complexity and needs...
>
> Thanks!
> Harvey
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> AMP Technology
> Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
>



From list at harveyk.com  Tue Jan 10 17:42:53 2006
From: list at harveyk.com (harvey)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 17:42:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Document management software for site
In-Reply-To: <BC1DD622-C172-4ABC-893E-AD1ADE4BA4FF@jonbaer.com>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110162615.04ab3ee0@usa.com>
	<BC1DD622-C172-4ABC-893E-AD1ADE4BA4FF@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110174229.04a95f00@harveyk.com>

Thanks, I did a quick review, and that might do pretty well...


At 04:38 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote:

>Try Joomla!
>
>http://www.joomla.org
>
>- Jon
>
>On Jan 10, 2006, at 4:32 PM, harvey wrote:
>
> > Hello NYphp,
> >
> > I've got a client who needs a site that will basically just be nicely
> > organized "articles".
> >
> > The issue is that the creation and order of categories,
> > subcategories, and articles
> > might change as new content is created and added to the site. (The
> > articles do not have dates).
> >
> > I've been looking for simple to implement and use document
> > management software.
> > Some that look interesting are:
> > - opencms.org
> > - word-press.net
> > - ez.no
> >
> > My needs are pretty simple:
> > - add/edit/change order of categories and subcategories (probably at
> > least three levels deep),
> > - add/edit/change order of documents to any cat/subcat (nearly 100%
> > of docs will be 100% text only),
> > - automatically generate navigation and subnavigation
> > - allow customization of design (very basic design is totally fine)
> > - create page of article summaries within a cat/subcat (nice to have,
> > not necesary)
> > - text/keyword search (nice to have, not necessary)
> >
> > Any suggestions?
> >
> > A few PHP scripts that read the contents of properly organized
> > folders would probably work for some of the above.
> > I've written a few that get close to what I want on a folder by
> > folder basis.
> > But the main issue is that I don't know how the PHP would order the
> > documents other than alphabetically/numerically.
> > But the docs should be able to be displayed in any order, regardless
> > of their names...
> > And in any case, a nicely done software package would probably be
> > better if/as the site grows in complexity and needs...
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Harvey
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Talk Mailing List
> > AMP Technology
> > Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > http://www.nyphp.org
> >
>
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>AMP Technology
>Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
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From lists at genoverly.net  Tue Jan 10 18:08:41 2006
From: lists at genoverly.net (michael)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:08:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Document management software for site
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110162615.04ab3ee0@usa.com>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110162615.04ab3ee0@usa.com>
Message-ID: <20060110180841.764634d0@wit.genoverly.home>

On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:32:11 -0500
harvey <list at harveyk.com> wrote:

> My needs are pretty simple:
> - add/edit/change order of categories and subcategories (probably at 
> least three levels deep),
> - add/edit/change order of documents to any cat/subcat (nearly 100% 
> of docs will be 100% text only),
> - automatically generate navigation and subnavigation
> - allow customization of design (very basic design is totally fine)
> - create page of article summaries within a cat/subcat (nice to have, 
> not necesary)
> - text/keyword search (nice to have, not necessary)
> 
> Any suggestions?

I've done something very similar for another user group site.  We store
some backend data on the documents in a database.  Each document has a
unique key. Next to that key in the table are foreign keys from a lookup
tables that contains headings, subheadings, page order, showit/noshowit
flags, etc.  The document can be stored in the db or as a reference to a
file.  The public web page queries the db and arranges the nav and
documents according to how each document is associated with the look
up tables.  

I built a little admin interface to edit the lookup tables to
re-arrange the page as needed - on the fly.  Granted, this is pretty
simple.. but works well, has a very low overhead, is very flexible, and
did not take too much time to set up.  I had the added bonus of using
my own css so it blends well.

-- 

Michael


From lists at zaunere.com  Tue Jan 10 22:52:11 2006
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 22:52:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Saving variable value
In-Reply-To: <e1ddc2b00601092228s12684367sd62fff6962ad9749@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c61662$6798c8b0$6501a8c0@MZ>


Hi Amir,

Amir Aavani wrote on Tuesday, January 10, 2006 1:29 AM:
> Hi Hans ,
> 
> Can I store the an object(class) in a session?
> I though session's can only hold string values!
> or you mean I have to add ToString and LoadFromString function to my
> class.

You can store almost anything in a PHP session.  Be sure to read up session
and object behavior in these cases though:

http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.session.php
http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.serialize.php

Objects are serialized when they are stored in sessions and the
__sleep/__wakeup magic methods become relevant.
 
> > There are, and they are called sessions, but it's likely not what you
> > need for this particular case.  You could, however, use a session to
> > store the currently viewed file of data, and then change the session as
> > needed to display other types of data. 
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> Also, Is it  a good idea that php parse every .php file. why not
> generating something smaller and simpler to be parsed, for example
> generating a .php.parsed file ( which is a binary file instead of
> textile) for every .php, in which  "for" strings replaced with code "1",
> "while" replaced with "2" and ... , something like Java bytecodes. I
> think this may be result in faster execution. It may be usefully if you
> don't want the web-host to use or change your codes.

There are a number of accellerators out there that do this type of thing.
However, in the large majority of web sites, you won't have the performance
needs, especially if the application is written well.  PHP isn't nearly as
heavy as Java in this respect.

> Why not using a multi thread application, a main thread which accepts
> requests from apache and this thread itself create new threads for every
> new request and can share its variables to these thread?

Threading in PHP is still an issue that's commonly under discussion.  For
someone looking to get started in PHP and write basic applications, let's
save that discussion for another time.  Long story short, PHP is a process
based language.



---
Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP
   www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com




From greggurevich at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 00:20:52 2006
From: greggurevich at gmail.com (Greg Gurevich)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 00:20:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Advice on Cake vs Symfony
Message-ID: <d8f755b70601102120p38abbfb2u6f3c6941d7f24051@mail.gmail.com>

   I have been programming PHP for years, recently I am starting to look
   at different frameworks to start using in new products I am basically
   going with either Cake or Symfony, I wanted to know if anyone on the
   board has experience with either and which one you guys would
   recommend.
   Thanks,
   Greg


From yournway at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 04:02:24 2006
From: yournway at gmail.com (Alberto dos Santos)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 09:02:24 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Advice on Cake vs Symfony
In-Reply-To: <d8f755b70601102120p38abbfb2u6f3c6941d7f24051@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d8f755b70601102120p38abbfb2u6f3c6941d7f24051@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edce57650601110102g106c3026k@mail.gmail.com>

try Qcodo, www.qcodo.com, it generates code instead of just parsing it at
runtime, it's stable and OO oriented and based on PHP5 and comes complete
with a presentation layer.
The more I use it, the more I love it. (not an affiliate, though...)

On 11/01/06, Greg Gurevich <greggurevich at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>    I have been programming PHP for years, recently I am starting to look
>    at different frameworks to start using in new products I am basically
>    going with either Cake or Symfony, I wanted to know if anyone on the
>    board has experience with either and which one you guys would
>    recommend.
>    Thanks,
>    Greg
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From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 11:43:37 2006
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:43:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP forum apps
In-Reply-To: <43C2FE0E.7010304@neuropunks.org>
References: <43C2FE0E.7010304@neuropunks.org>
Message-ID: <330532b60601110843h7900cd7ct273b2de82e5848b7@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/9/06, Max Gribov <max at neuropunks.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
> quick question about forum software, does anyone have their favorite or
> most trusted one?

I'm a huge fan of SMF from www.simplemachines.org, which has excellent
performance, good features, and a strong security history.

That's what we use to power the community forums for Joomla! and those
are some busy forums ;-)

--
Mitch Pirtle
Joomla! Core Developer
Open Source Matters


From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Wed Jan 11 11:48:05 2006
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:48:05 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Document management software for site
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110174229.04a95f00@harveyk.com>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110162615.04ab3ee0@usa.com>
	<BC1DD622-C172-4ABC-893E-AD1ADE4BA4FF@jonbaer.com>
	<7.0.0.16.2.20060110174229.04a95f00@harveyk.com>
Message-ID: <330532b60601110848w6de078bdg8b8ab55e2cff4241@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/10/06, harvey <list at harveyk.com> wrote:
> Thanks, I did a quick review, and that might do pretty well...
>
>
> At 04:38 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote:
>
> >Try Joomla!
> >
> >http://www.joomla.org

That's one brownie point for Jon ;-)

Also, there's DocMan, the Mambo/Joomla! document management component:
    http://www.mambodocman.com/

One of the DocMan developers is a core developer on Joomla!, and
development has really picked up lately and some really new and
exciting releases are on the way.

If you want document management (and not just content management) I'd
take a look at DocMan.

--
Mitch Pirtle
Joomla! Core Developer
Open Source Matters


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Wed Jan 11 12:24:06 2006
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:24:06 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] UML Software
In-Reply-To: <4b1887110601101234h30e137fn4187cc06e430f7db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4b1887110601101234h30e137fn4187cc06e430f7db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8BC6750B-77E0-458C-8655-1A6E321E5C1A@jonbaer.com>

The MySQL Workbench looks very promising (that is if you are using  
MySQL) ...

http://www.openwin.org/mike/video/WorkbenchAlphaDemo/ 
WorkbenchAlphaDemo.html

Might be good to send an email to them if you need a feature or two,  
(ie format export).

I personally like DbVisualizer once you get all your drivers in place.

http://www.minq.se/products/dbvis/

- Jon

On Jan 10, 2006, at 3:34 PM, Jeff Loiselle wrote:

> Can anyone recommend good, free UML diagram software?
>
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From lamolist at cyberxdesigns.com  Wed Jan 11 12:44:21 2006
From: lamolist at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans Kaspersetz)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:44:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP-Java-Bridge Compile Problem.
Message-ID: <43C543F5.1040107@cyberxdesigns.com>

This maybe slightly off topic but the normal channels have not been 
responsive.

I am trying to compile from source php-java-bridge on FreeBSD 5.3 and it 
is dieing during the configure process.  I know we have some BSD gurus 
on this list and I was hoping for a little help.

More information about the bridge including instructions can be found 
at: http://php-java-bridge.sourceforge.net/

The details:

FreeBSD 5.3
Sun Java sdk1.5.0
Apache 2.0.53
PHP 4.3.11
php-java-bridge-2.0.8

I downloaded the file and untared it into:
/usr/local/php-java-bridge-2.0.8

I ran: phpize && ./configure --disable-servlet 
--with-java=/opt/IBMJava2-14 && make CFLAGS="-m32"

I get the following after a bunch of output.  I can provide the 
config.log if you like.

---snip output--
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating config.h
configure: configuring in server
configure: running /usr/local/bin/bash
'./configure.gnu' --prefix=/usr/local
'--disable-servlet' '--with-java=/opt/IBMJava2-14'
--cache-file=/dev/null --srcdir=.
./configure.gnu: line 5: aclocal: command not found
./configure.gnu: line 6: autoheader: command not found
./configure.gnu: line 7: autoconf: command not found
./configure.gnu: line 8: libtoolize: command not found
./configure.gnu: line 10: automake: command not found
./configure: Can't open ./configure: No such file or
directory
configure: error: /usr/local/bin/bash './configure.gnu'
failed for server
bsdmachine#


----- End of screen data ---

I think my --with-java=/opt/foo is wrong. I imagine I need one that 
signifies that I am using Sun Java. Beyond that, I am totally lost. 
Please help, I have been pulling my hair out over this.

I am sure you need more information, just me know what you need.

Thanks,
Hans




From andrew at plexpod.com  Wed Jan 11 12:43:53 2006
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 12:43:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP-Java-Bridge Compile Problem.
In-Reply-To: <43C543F5.1040107@cyberxdesigns.com>
References: <43C543F5.1040107@cyberxdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <20060111174352.GH26280@desario.homelinux.net>

On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 12:44:21PM -0500, Hans Kaspersetz wrote:
> This maybe slightly off topic but the normal channels have not been 
> responsive.
> 
> I am trying to compile from source php-java-bridge on FreeBSD 5.3 and it 
> is dieing during the configure process.  I know we have some BSD gurus 
> on this list and I was hoping for a little help.
> 
> More information about the bridge including instructions can be found 
> at: http://php-java-bridge.sourceforge.net/
> 
> The details:
> 
> FreeBSD 5.3
> Sun Java sdk1.5.0
> Apache 2.0.53
> PHP 4.3.11
> php-java-bridge-2.0.8
> 
> I downloaded the file and untared it into:
> /usr/local/php-java-bridge-2.0.8
> 
> I ran: phpize && ./configure --disable-servlet 
> --with-java=/opt/IBMJava2-14 && make CFLAGS="-m32"
> 
> I get the following after a bunch of output.  I can provide the 
> config.log if you like.
> 
> ---snip output--
> configure: creating ./config.status
> config.status: creating config.h
> configure: configuring in server
> configure: running /usr/local/bin/bash
> './configure.gnu' --prefix=/usr/local
> '--disable-servlet' '--with-java=/opt/IBMJava2-14'
> --cache-file=/dev/null --srcdir=.
> ./configure.gnu: line 5: aclocal: command not found
> ./configure.gnu: line 6: autoheader: command not found
> ./configure.gnu: line 7: autoconf: command not found
> ./configure.gnu: line 8: libtoolize: command not found
> ./configure.gnu: line 10: automake: command not found
> ./configure: Can't open ./configure: No such file or
> directory
> configure: error: /usr/local/bin/bash './configure.gnu'
> failed for server
> bsdmachine#
> 
> 
> ----- End of screen data ---
> 
> I think my --with-java=/opt/foo is wrong. I imagine I need one that 
> signifies that I am using Sun Java. Beyond that, I am totally lost. 
> Please help, I have been pulling my hair out over this.
> 
> I am sure you need more information, just me know what you need.
> 
> Thanks,
> Hans

Looks like your missing GNU autoconf.  You'll probably need M4 also.

HTH,
Andrew

-- 
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Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Wed Jan 11 16:01:31 2006
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:01:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP-Java-Bridge Compile Problem.
In-Reply-To: <20060111174352.GH26280@desario.homelinux.net>
References: <43C543F5.1040107@cyberxdesigns.com>
	<20060111174352.GH26280@desario.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <212139D4-2E6E-4CD4-947F-6EEC9A98C65D@jonbaer.com>

Looks like pathing is a little messed up ...

What does "echo $PATH" show?
Does BSD put bash out like "/usr/local/bin/bash"?

You should be able to see all of the tools:
>> aclocal: command not found
>> ./configure.gnu: line 6: autoheader: command not found
>> ./configure.gnu: line 7: autoconf: command not found
>> ./configure.gnu: line 8: libtoolize: command not found
>> ./configure.gnu: line 10: automake: command not found

try "which aclocal" and adjust the PATH if needed.

I also think (not sure) you should have it untarred under your PHP  
src's ext path ... /ext for the extension to compile correctly.

If you look at (head /usr/bin/phpize) you can see the variable  
declarations needed (prefix,etc).

- Jon

On Jan 11, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Andrew Yochum wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 11, 2006 at 12:44:21PM -0500, Hans Kaspersetz wrote:
>> This maybe slightly off topic but the normal channels have not been
>> responsive.
>>
>> I am trying to compile from source php-java-bridge on FreeBSD 5.3  
>> and it
>> is dieing during the configure process.  I know we have some BSD  
>> gurus
>> on this list and I was hoping for a little help.
>>
>> More information about the bridge including instructions can be found
>> at: http://php-java-bridge.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> The details:
>>
>> FreeBSD 5.3
>> Sun Java sdk1.5.0
>> Apache 2.0.53
>> PHP 4.3.11
>> php-java-bridge-2.0.8
>>
>> I downloaded the file and untared it into:
>> /usr/local/php-java-bridge-2.0.8
>>
>> I ran: phpize && ./configure --disable-servlet
>> --with-java=/opt/IBMJava2-14 && make CFLAGS="-m32"
>>
>> I get the following after a bunch of output.  I can provide the
>> config.log if you like.
>>
>> ---snip output--
>> configure: creating ./config.status
>> config.status: creating config.h
>> configure: configuring in server
>> configure: running /usr/local/bin/bash
>> './configure.gnu' --prefix=/usr/local
>> '--disable-servlet' '--with-java=/opt/IBMJava2-14'
>> --cache-file=/dev/null --srcdir=.
>> ./configure.gnu: line 5: aclocal: command not found
>> ./configure.gnu: line 6: autoheader: command not found
>> ./configure.gnu: line 7: autoconf: command not found
>> ./configure.gnu: line 8: libtoolize: command not found
>> ./configure.gnu: line 10: automake: command not found
>> ./configure: Can't open ./configure: No such file or
>> directory
>> configure: error: /usr/local/bin/bash './configure.gnu'
>> failed for server
>> bsdmachine#
>>
>>
>> ----- End of screen data ---
>>
>> I think my --with-java=/opt/foo is wrong. I imagine I need one that
>> signifies that I am using Sun Java. Beyond that, I am totally lost.
>> Please help, I have been pulling my hair out over this.
>>
>> I am sure you need more information, just me know what you need.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Hans
>
> Looks like your missing GNU autoconf.  You'll probably need M4 also.
>
> HTH,
> Andrew
>
> -- 
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From lamolist at cyberxdesigns.com  Thu Jan 12 09:01:24 2006
From: lamolist at cyberxdesigns.com (Hans Kaspersetz)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:01:24 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP-Java-Bridge Compile Problem.
In-Reply-To: <212139D4-2E6E-4CD4-947F-6EEC9A98C65D@jonbaer.com>
References: <43C543F5.1040107@cyberxdesigns.com>	<20060111174352.GH26280@desario.homelinux.net>
	<212139D4-2E6E-4CD4-947F-6EEC9A98C65D@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <43C66134.7000108@cyberxdesigns.com>

Definitely was a path problem. I added my gnu-autotool directory to my 
PATH and things got much better.  My automake, autoconf, ect were not in 
the PATH.  Andrew pointed me in the right direction.  I now have a new 
problem that I am working on:


checking for pthreads_cflags... -pthread
checking for pthreads_lib...
configure: error: host_alias is not set. Make sure to run config.guess
configure: error: /usr/local/bin/bash './configure.gnu' failed for server
bsdmachine# ./config.guess
i386-unknown-freebsd5.3
bsdmachine#

I have been directed to clean the source directory and untar a fresh 
copy.  As soon as I am done with the next client meeting, I will do 
that.  If anyone else has intelegent direction on this one, please chime in.

I thought I saw a libtoolize error earlier in the process and I added 
libtoolize to the path but that didn't clean up the problem.  1 step at 
a time.

Hans

Jon Baer wrote:

>Looks like pathing is a little messed up ...
>
>What does "echo $PATH" show?
>Does BSD put bash out like "/usr/local/bin/bash"?
>
>You should be able to see all of the tools:
>  
>
>>>aclocal: command not found
>>>./configure.gnu: line 6: autoheader: command not found
>>>./configure.gnu: line 7: autoconf: command not found
>>>./configure.gnu: line 8: libtoolize: command not found
>>>./configure.gnu: line 10: automake: command not found
>>>      
>>>



From volcimaster at gmail.com  Thu Jan 12 16:20:57 2006
From: volcimaster at gmail.com (Warren Myers)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:20:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] odbc connection question
Message-ID: <cd08a04c0601121320q6aede2bdm53d1d244ccf27e43@mail.gmail.com>

Do I need to reset/reinitialize the connection before every query, or can I
just use one connection and run multiple queries in succession from it?

Thanks.
Warren

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From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri Jan 13 10:11:17 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:11:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions
Message-ID: <001401c61853$9e3edd30$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

What PHP shopping cart would you recommend? I need a cart where I can
heavily customize the presentation layer, payment methodology and
fulfillment methodology (that about covers it all!). One that either
provides rich back-end functionality or has good hooks into a back-end
system would be nice too.
 
I'm torn between OSCommerce and the OSCommerce fork Zen Cart. Comments?
Suggestions? Other carts I should look at?
 
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From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Fri Jan 13 10:16:32 2006
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:16:32 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE35801355801@network.PLMresearch.com>

Cliff, did you check out josCommerce ( www.josCommerce.com
<http://www.josCommerce.com> ) it's a port of osCommerce to Joomla.
 

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Behalf Of Cliff Hirsch
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:11 AM
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions


What PHP shopping cart would you recommend? I need a cart where I can
heavily customize the presentation layer, payment methodology and
fulfillment methodology (that about covers it all!). One that either
provides rich back-end functionality or has good hooks into a back-end
system would be nice too.
 
I'm torn between OSCommerce and the OSCommerce fork Zen Cart. Comments?
Suggestions? Other carts I should look at?
 
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From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri Jan 13 10:23:09 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:23:09 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE35801355801@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <002901c61855$4278fd30$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

Mark:
 
I figured you'd throw in a comment! I have looked at it, but I don't use
Joomla. It's for a full-custom ap, so I'm not sure if it would be
appropriate. Unless I decided to use Joomla as my Framework, which ir
probably overkill. Perhaps just osCommerce? But from what I have
gathered, the presentation layer is really embedded in the code.
 
Cliff
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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Mark Withington
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:17 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions


Cliff, did you check out josCommerce (www.josCommerce.com) it's a port
of osCommerce to Joomla.
 

--------------------------
Mark L. Withington
PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
f: 508-746-4973
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
http://www.PLMresearch.com <http://www.plmresearch.com/> 
AIM/MSN/Skype: PLMresearch
Yahoo:  PLMresearch2000
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-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Cliff Hirsch
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:11 AM
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions


What PHP shopping cart would you recommend? I need a cart where I can
heavily customize the presentation layer, payment methodology and
fulfillment methodology (that about covers it all!). One that either
provides rich back-end functionality or has good hooks into a back-end
system would be nice too.
 
I'm torn between OSCommerce and the OSCommerce fork Zen Cart. Comments?
Suggestions? Other carts I should look at?
 
Cliff

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From andrew at plexpod.com  Fri Jan 13 10:30:58 2006
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:30:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions
In-Reply-To: <001401c61853$9e3edd30$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
References: <001401c61853$9e3edd30$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <20060113153057.GX26280@desario.homelinux.net>

On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 10:11:17AM -0500, Cliff Hirsch wrote:
> What PHP shopping cart would you recommend? I need a cart where I can
> heavily customize the presentation layer, payment methodology and
> fulfillment methodology (that about covers it all!). One that either
> provides rich back-end functionality or has good hooks into a back-end
> system would be nice too.
>  
> I'm torn between OSCommerce and the OSCommerce fork Zen Cart. Comments?
> Suggestions? Other carts I should look at?

X-Cart is fairly good.  It provides the same functionality that osC
does, and then some out of the box.  The code is clean and easy to
maintain (upgrades & customizations) since there is a full separation of
templates from code and upgrades are available as patches.  The hooks
are decent in all the necessary places - shipping, payment, etc.
However, the code is procedural, and sometimes no use of functions or
spliting of big functions and this, IMO, results in reptition, therefore
unreusable code.  Add-ons/modules are available from both X-Cart and
third parties.  It is not open source, but full source is provided, and
the licensing is inexpensive.  Some of the third party add-ons/modules
are encoded making customization & repurposing of them next to
impossible.  (I'd even offered one vendor around 50x the license price
for the source only to be refused)

osC is just a nightmare IMO.  The functionality is great and the
community around it is large and supportive. Customization is a PITA as
the HTML is embedded in tons of spahetti code.  The community
contributions are sometimes great and sometimes terrible.  Many
incompatibilities can arise as you customize your installation with
contributions.  Any kind of customizations - look and feel or
functionality - often make upgrades seriously difficult.

I can't speak for Zen Cart, but have heard it is better than osC.

On the whole, I have not found a solution that I've been 100% satisfied
with yet, but X-Cart is certainly my pick for now.

Andrew

-- 
Andrew Yochum
Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri Jan 13 10:38:13 2006
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:38:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions
In-Reply-To: <002901c61855$4278fd30$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
References: <002901c61855$4278fd30$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <83DD6F88-A73C-4DEA-810D-BD251D533A4D@jonbaer.com>

As a side note to using osCommerce, I had to set it up once around a  
dozen times, before you do install you might want to grab a pad and  
go through all the plug ins available for the base install, it does  
not have a defined plug-in architecture, if you download a contrib  
package look at the readme to see what I mean.  Then when you need to  
upgrade your base installation for whatever reason, look out :-)

I would think that even if a framework is overkill its probably worth  
it for that reason alone.

On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:23 AM, Cliff Hirsch wrote:

> Mark:
>
> I figured you'd throw in a comment! I have looked at it, but I  
> don't use
> Joomla. It's for a full-custom ap, so I'm not sure if it would be
> appropriate. Unless I decided to use Joomla as my Framework, which ir
> probably overkill. Perhaps just osCommerce? But from what I have
> gathered, the presentation layer is really embedded in the code.
>
> Cliff
> _______________________________
> Pinestream Communications, Inc.
> Publisher of Semiconductor Times & Telecom Trends
> 52 Pine Street, Weston, MA 02493 USA
> Tel: 781.647.8800, Fax: 781.647.8825
> http://www.pinestream.com <http://www.pinestream.com/>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk- 
> bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of Mark Withington
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:17 AM
> To: 'NYPHP Talk'
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions
>
>
> Cliff, did you check out josCommerce (www.josCommerce.com) it's a port
> of osCommerce to Joomla.
>
>
> --------------------------
> Mark L. Withington
> PLMresearch
> "eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
> PO Box 1354
> Plymouth, MA  02362
> o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
> f: 508-746-4973
> v: 508-746-2383
> m: 508-801-0181
> http://www.PLMresearch.com <http://www.plmresearch.com/>
> AIM/MSN/Skype: PLMresearch
> Yahoo:  PLMresearch2000
> mwithington at plmresearch.com
> Public Key: http://www.plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
> Calendar: http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Cliff Hirsch
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:11 AM
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions
>
>
> What PHP shopping cart would you recommend? I need a cart where I can
> heavily customize the presentation layer, payment methodology and
> fulfillment methodology (that about covers it all!). One that either
> provides rich back-end functionality or has good hooks into a back-end
> system would be nice too.
>
> I'm torn between OSCommerce and the OSCommerce fork Zen Cart.  
> Comments?
> Suggestions? Other carts I should look at?
>
> Cliff
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hendler at simmons.edu  Fri Jan 13 10:40:57 2006
From: hendler at simmons.edu (Jonathan)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:40:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] problems loading a custom, shared extension
In-Reply-To: <000a01c6132a$a14efba0$6501a8c0@MZ>
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From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri Jan 13 11:09:06 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:09:06 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions
In-Reply-To: <20060113153057.GX26280@desario.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <007401c6185b$ade51580$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

Sounds like there's no easy answer. X-Cart seems interesting. I need to
investigate Zen Cart further, as I have heard that they have been
working hard to break out the presentation layer.

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Andrew Yochum
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:31 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions


On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 10:11:17AM -0500, Cliff Hirsch wrote:
> What PHP shopping cart would you recommend? I need a cart where I can 
> heavily customize the presentation layer, payment methodology and 
> fulfillment methodology (that about covers it all!). One that either 
> provides rich back-end functionality or has good hooks into a back-end

> system would be nice too.
>  
> I'm torn between OSCommerce and the OSCommerce fork Zen Cart. 
> Comments? Suggestions? Other carts I should look at?

X-Cart is fairly good.  It provides the same functionality that osC
does, and then some out of the box.  The code is clean and easy to
maintain (upgrades & customizations) since there is a full separation of
templates from code and upgrades are available as patches.  The hooks
are decent in all the necessary places - shipping, payment, etc.
However, the code is procedural, and sometimes no use of functions or
spliting of big functions and this, IMO, results in reptition, therefore
unreusable code.  Add-ons/modules are available from both X-Cart and
third parties.  It is not open source, but full source is provided, and
the licensing is inexpensive.  Some of the third party add-ons/modules
are encoded making customization & repurposing of them next to
impossible.  (I'd even offered one vendor around 50x the license price
for the source only to be refused)

osC is just a nightmare IMO.  The functionality is great and the
community around it is large and supportive. Customization is a PITA as
the HTML is embedded in tons of spahetti code.  The community
contributions are sometimes great and sometimes terrible.  Many
incompatibilities can arise as you customize your installation with
contributions.  Any kind of customizations - look and feel or
functionality - often make upgrades seriously difficult.

I can't speak for Zen Cart, but have heard it is better than osC.

On the whole, I have not found a solution that I've been 100% satisfied
with yet, but X-Cart is certainly my pick for now.

Andrew

-- 
Andrew Yochum
Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879
_______________________________________________
New York PHP Talk Mailing List
AMP Technology
Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
http://www.nyphp.org



From darren at axess.de  Fri Jan 13 11:14:08 2006
From: darren at axess.de (Darren Cooper)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:14:08 +0100
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions
Message-ID: <48675DD7C7776748A240F70DFC385A9D049000@xservernew.AXSS.local>

Hi Cliff,
 
We use X-cart and like it, 
it's has a lot of optional extra functions and is smarty base, the web master mode is excellent for quick changes and findin gthe right template or label. (available in the demo area)
 
 
The have also launched a newer product called lite commerce which I think is a revamped version with much tighter and cleaner code but I don't have much hands on experience with this.
 
Mit freundlichem Gru?

Darren Cooper


****************** AXESS New Media GmbH ******************
Kaiser Friedrich Promenade 89     Tel: +49 (0)6172 676-141
61348 Bad Homburg                 Fax: +49 (0)6172 676-155
http://www.axess.de <http://www.axess.de/>                mailto:d.cooper at axess.de 
********************************************************** 


 
 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Cliff Hirsch [mailto:cliff at pinestream.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Januar 2006 16:11
An: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Betreff: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions



What PHP shopping cart would you recommend? I need a cart where I can heavily customize the presentation layer, payment methodology and fulfillment methodology (that about covers it all!). One that either provides rich back-end functionality or has good hooks into a back-end system would be nice too.
 
I'm torn between OSCommerce and the OSCommerce fork Zen Cart. Comments? Suggestions? Other carts I should look at?
 
Cliff

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From mwithington at PLMresearch.com  Fri Jan 13 11:16:47 2006
From: mwithington at PLMresearch.com (Mark Withington)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:16:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions
Message-ID: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358D6A6E6@network.PLMresearch.com>

Yes...in osCommerce the Presentation layer _is_ the Business Logic ;-)
[just a guess] I think the intent of osCommerce is to provide a
just-add-water shopping cart.  Unfortunately, following that path will yield
the traditional "osCommerce look" - as we all know walking down the halls of
our favorite shopping mall (an oxymoron?) the "look" is what retail is all
about.
 
Couple of things to keep in mind with osCommerce:
 
1.  To my knowledge, they still require register_globals on
2.  You should be sure to configure is with cookies only (e.g. don't use the
session number in the URL) as I think this is more secure.
 
Cheers,
 
Mark
 

--------------------------
Mark L. Withington
PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
f: 508-746-4973
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
http://www.PLMresearch.com <http://www.plmresearch.com/> 
AIM/MSN/Skype: PLMresearch
Yahoo:  PLMresearch2000
mwithington at plmresearch.com
Public Key: http://www.plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
<http://www.plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc> 
Calendar: http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php
<http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php>  

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On
Behalf Of Cliff Hirsch
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:23 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions


Mark:
 
I figured you'd throw in a comment! I have looked at it, but I don't use
Joomla. It's for a full-custom ap, so I'm not sure if it would be
appropriate. Unless I decided to use Joomla as my Framework, which ir
probably overkill. Perhaps just osCommerce? But from what I have gathered,
the presentation layer is really embedded in the code.
 
Cliff
_______________________________
Pinestream Communications, Inc.
Publisher of Semiconductor Times & Telecom Trends
52 Pine Street, Weston, MA 02493 USA
Tel: 781.647.8800, Fax: 781.647.8825
http://www.pinestream.com <http://www.pinestream.com/> 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Withington
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:17 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions


Cliff, did you check out josCommerce (www.josCommerce.com
<http://www.josCommerce.com> ) it's a port of osCommerce to Joomla.
 

--------------------------
Mark L. Withington
PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
f: 508-746-4973
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
http://www.PLMresearch.com <http://www.plmresearch.com/> 
AIM/MSN/Skype: PLMresearch
Yahoo:  PLMresearch2000
mwithington at plmresearch.com
Public Key: http://www.plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
<http://www.plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc> 
Calendar: http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php
<http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php>  

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On
Behalf Of Cliff Hirsch
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:11 AM
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions


What PHP shopping cart would you recommend? I need a cart where I can
heavily customize the presentation layer, payment methodology and
fulfillment methodology (that about covers it all!). One that either
provides rich back-end functionality or has good hooks into a back-end
system would be nice too.
 
I'm torn between OSCommerce and the OSCommerce fork Zen Cart. Comments?
Suggestions? Other carts I should look at?
 
Cliff

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From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri Jan 13 11:17:16 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:17:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions
In-Reply-To: <48675DD7C7776748A240F70DFC385A9D049000@xservernew.AXSS.local>
Message-ID: <008101c6185c$d2a58ac0$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

You said the magic words -- Smarty-based. Our project uses Smarty and
its a great way to separate presentation from logic. As soon as we see
too much "logic" creeping into a Smarty .tpl file, we know we're doing
something wrong.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Darren Cooper
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:14 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions



Hi Cliff,
 
We use X-cart and like it, 
it's has a lot of optional extra functions and is smarty base, the web
master mode is excellent for quick changes and findin gthe right
template or label. (available in the demo area)
 
 
The have also launched a newer product called lite commerce which I
think is a revamped version with much tighter and cleaner code but I
don't have much hands on experience with this.
 
Mit freundlichem Gru?

Darren Cooper


****************** AXESS New Media GmbH ******************
Kaiser Friedrich Promenade 89     Tel: +49 (0)6172 676-141
61348 Bad Homburg                 Fax: +49 (0)6172 676-155
http://www.axess.de <http://www.axess.de/>
mailto:d.cooper at axess.de 
********************************************************** 


 
 -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Cliff Hirsch [mailto:cliff at pinestream.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 13. Januar 2006 16:11
An: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Betreff: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions



What PHP shopping cart would you recommend? I need a cart where I can
heavily customize the presentation layer, payment methodology and
fulfillment methodology (that about covers it all!). One that either
provides rich back-end functionality or has good hooks into a back-end
system would be nice too.
 
I'm torn between OSCommerce and the OSCommerce fork Zen Cart. Comments?
Suggestions? Other carts I should look at?
 
Cliff

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From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri Jan 13 11:23:18 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 11:23:18 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions
In-Reply-To: <1F3CD8DDFB6A9B4C9B8DD06E4A7DE358D6A6E6@network.PLMresearch.com>
Message-ID: <009701c6185d$aa2ed960$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

register_globals on turned me off as well.
 
But where do you draw the line? Has anyone tried setting their php.ini
to E-ALL or even better yet E-STRICT for shits and giggles?
Fagetaboutit. PHPMyAdmin barfs and I'm sure many other open source aps
do to.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Mark Withington
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:17 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions



Yes...in osCommerce the Presentation layer _is_ the Business Logic ;-)
[just a guess] I think the intent of osCommerce is to provide a
just-add-water shopping cart.  Unfortunately, following that path will
yield the traditional "osCommerce look" - as we all know walking down
the halls of our favorite shopping mall (an oxymoron?) the "look" is
what retail is all about.
 
Couple of things to keep in mind with osCommerce:
 
1.  To my knowledge, they still require register_globals on
2.  You should be sure to configure is with cookies only (e.g. don't use
the session number in the URL) as I think this is more secure.
 
Cheers,
 
Mark
 

--------------------------
Mark L. Withington
PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
f: 508-746-4973
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
http://www.PLMresearch.com <http://www.plmresearch.com/> 
AIM/MSN/Skype: PLMresearch
Yahoo:  PLMresearch2000
mwithington at plmresearch.com
Public Key: http://www.plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
Calendar: http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Cliff Hirsch
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:23 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions


Mark:
 
I figured you'd throw in a comment! I have looked at it, but I don't use
Joomla. It's for a full-custom ap, so I'm not sure if it would be
appropriate. Unless I decided to use Joomla as my Framework, which ir
probably overkill. Perhaps just osCommerce? But from what I have
gathered, the presentation layer is really embedded in the code.
 
Cliff
_______________________________
Pinestream Communications, Inc.
Publisher of Semiconductor Times & Telecom Trends
52 Pine Street, Weston, MA 02493 USA
Tel: 781.647.8800, Fax: 781.647.8825
http://www.pinestream.com <http://www.pinestream.com/> 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Mark Withington
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:17 AM
To: 'NYPHP Talk'
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions


Cliff, did you check out josCommerce (www.josCommerce.com) it's a port
of osCommerce to Joomla.
 

--------------------------
Mark L. Withington
PLMresearch
"eBusiness for the Midsize Enterprise"
PO Box 1354
Plymouth, MA  02362
o: 800-310-3992 ext. 704
f: 508-746-4973
v: 508-746-2383
m: 508-801-0181
http://www.PLMresearch.com <http://www.plmresearch.com/> 
AIM/MSN/Skype: PLMresearch
Yahoo:  PLMresearch2000
mwithington at plmresearch.com
Public Key: http://www.plmresearch.com/keys/MLW_public_key.asc
Calendar: http://www.plmresearch.com/calendar.php 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]On Behalf Of Cliff Hirsch
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 10:11 AM
To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions


What PHP shopping cart would you recommend? I need a cart where I can
heavily customize the presentation layer, payment methodology and
fulfillment methodology (that about covers it all!). One that either
provides rich back-end functionality or has good hooks into a back-end
system would be nice too.
 
I'm torn between OSCommerce and the OSCommerce fork Zen Cart. Comments?
Suggestions? Other carts I should look at?
 
Cliff

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From ken at secdat.com  Fri Jan 13 14:18:07 2006
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:18:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] An Email Architecture Puzzle
Message-ID: <40687.38.117.147.25.1137179887.squirrel@38.117.147.25>

OK, here's a brain teaser.  I've got my own answer in mind for this, but
I'd be really curious to see if anyone else has any ideas.

The problem is simple:  All emails flowing through a certain domain must
be tracked and associated with a job in a database.  The following rules
apply:

1) Must not require re-inventing an SMTP server, or any C coding in an
existing SMTP server.  By the same token we don't want to re-invent
webmail and force everyone to use it.  Solution must be in pure PHP,
though may use any plug-in or extension system that an SMTP server
provides that allows coding in PHP.

2) Must require minimal if not zero change in habits for users.  For
instace, requiring users to put complicated codes into their emails won't
work because people won't do it.

3) Some kind of pool of un-matchable emails should be available to an
admin who then matches them to jobs.

4) Every email should slot into a job, and replies should be sortable into
threads by UI software.

So how would you do that?

-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software
631-379-0010
ken at secdat.com
PO Box 708
East Setauket, NY 11733



From andrew at plexpod.com  Fri Jan 13 14:27:35 2006
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 14:27:35 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] An Email Architecture Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <40687.38.117.147.25.1137179887.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
References: <40687.38.117.147.25.1137179887.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
Message-ID: <20060113192735.GZ26280@desario.homelinux.net>

On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 02:18:07PM -0500, Kenneth Downs wrote:
> OK, here's a brain teaser.  I've got my own answer in mind for this, but
> I'd be really curious to see if anyone else has any ideas.
> 
> The problem is simple:  All emails flowing through a certain domain must
> be tracked and associated with a job in a database.  The following rules
> apply:
> 
> 1) Must not require re-inventing an SMTP server, or any C coding in an
> existing SMTP server.  By the same token we don't want to re-invent
> webmail and force everyone to use it.  Solution must be in pure PHP,
> though may use any plug-in or extension system that an SMTP server
> provides that allows coding in PHP.
> 
> 2) Must require minimal if not zero change in habits for users.  For
> instace, requiring users to put complicated codes into their emails won't
> work because people won't do it.
> 
> 3) Some kind of pool of un-matchable emails should be available to an
> admin who then matches them to jobs.
> 
> 4) Every email should slot into a job, and replies should be sortable into
> threads by UI software.
> 
> So how would you do that?

Configure your SMTP server or procmail to filter all email through a PHP
script.  Parse, munge (like adding a tracking number to the subject),
store it in your DB & pass it through to the recipient.  This is much
the same way many spam filters and email-based help desk apps work...
and CLEW.

HTH,
Andrew


-- 
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Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879


From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri Jan 13 16:10:50 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (cliff)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:10:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Line break string evaulation help
Message-ID: <20060113211050.M23232@pinestream.com>

define('NEWLINE', "\n");

define ("EMAILFOOTER", NEWLINE.
'blah, blah, blah.'.NEWLINE.
'blah, blah, blah.'.NEWLINE.
'To login, click on the following link: '.URL);

This works fine when viewing an email generated by this code in a browser-
based email client, but fails to break lines in Microsoft Outlook on XP. 
What am I doing wrong?

Cliff


From andrew at plexpod.com  Fri Jan 13 16:10:01 2006
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:10:01 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Line break string evaulation help
In-Reply-To: <20060113211050.M23232@pinestream.com>
References: <20060113211050.M23232@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <20060113211000.GD26280@desario.homelinux.net>

On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 04:10:50PM -0500, cliff wrote:
> define('NEWLINE', "\n");
> 
> define ("EMAILFOOTER", NEWLINE.
> 'blah, blah, blah.'.NEWLINE.
> 'blah, blah, blah.'.NEWLINE.
> 'To login, click on the following link: '.URL);
> 
> This works fine when viewing an email generated by this code in a browser-
> based email client, but fails to break lines in Microsoft Outlook on XP. 
> What am I doing wrong?

Try "\r\n", which is a carriage return + line feed (\x0D\xOA)- the
windows/dos style. See:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRLF

HTH,
Andrew
-- 
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Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879


From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri Jan 13 16:18:47 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:18:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Line break string evaulation help
In-Reply-To: <20060113211000.GD26280@desario.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <000b01c61886$f1471690$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

Thanks. The wiki is an eye opener. How can something so simple end up so
convoluted?!

-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Andrew Yochum
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 4:10 PM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Line break string evaulation help


On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 04:10:50PM -0500, cliff wrote:
> define('NEWLINE', "\n");
> 
> define ("EMAILFOOTER", NEWLINE.
> 'blah, blah, blah.'.NEWLINE.
> 'blah, blah, blah.'.NEWLINE.
> 'To login, click on the following link: '.URL);
> 
> This works fine when viewing an email generated by this code in a 
> browser- based email client, but fails to break lines in Microsoft 
> Outlook on XP. What am I doing wrong?

Try "\r\n", which is a carriage return + line feed (\x0D\xOA)- the
windows/dos style. See:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRLF

HTH,
Andrew
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Plexpod
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From edwardpotter at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 16:19:19 2006
From: edwardpotter at gmail.com (edward potter)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:19:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions
In-Reply-To: <001401c61853$9e3edd30$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
References: <001401c61853$9e3edd30$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <c5949a380601131319q2c17b63bwee6b257ed76fd2a8@mail.gmail.com>

hmmm, put my first "shop online"  in '95.  It was perl.  Later moved
to CF (yipes), then php.  Last client, I just set up  oscommerce,
pretty much worked out of the box.  Not the prettiest, but the client
is making his $'s.  Hate to say it, but ecommerce can get pretty
boring pretty quickly. Did a Zen install the other day, a real
no-brainer to setup.

A new one here, really barebones:
"f you are looking for a simple set of PHP scripts to get a jump start
on your next shopping cart project, hopefully you'll find Couffin
useful."
http://www.auberger.com/page/3/

I was thinking of doing something like this in Ruby, been in PHP land
for so long, ready to play a bit with a new language.

thanks, ed  :-)

On 1/13/06, Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:
>
> What PHP shopping cart would you recommend? I need a cart where I can
> heavily customize the presentation layer, payment methodology and
> fulfillment methodology (that about covers it all!). One that either
> provides rich back-end functionality or has good hooks into a back-end
> system would be nice too.
>
> I'm torn between OSCommerce and the OSCommerce fork Zen Cart. Comments?
> Suggestions? Other carts I should look at?
>
> Cliff
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From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Fri Jan 13 16:28:45 2006
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:28:45 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Line break string evaulation help
In-Reply-To: <20060113211050.M23232@pinestream.com>
References: <20060113211050.M23232@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <43C81B8D.3090706@tgaconnect.com>

cliff writes:
> define('NEWLINE', "\n");
> 
> define ("EMAILFOOTER", NEWLINE.
> 'blah, blah, blah.'.NEWLINE.
> 'blah, blah, blah.'.NEWLINE.
> 'To login, click on the following link: '.URL);
> 
> This works fine when viewing an email generated by this code in a browser-
> based email client, but fails to break lines in Microsoft Outlook on XP. 
> What am I doing wrong?

Windows typically expects a carriage linefeed combination
to signify the end of a line of text.


-- 

T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com


From morgan at forsalebyowner.com  Fri Jan 13 16:40:11 2006
From: morgan at forsalebyowner.com (Morgan Craft)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 16:40:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Advice on Cake vs Symfony
In-Reply-To: <edce57650601110102g106c3026k@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d8f755b70601102120p38abbfb2u6f3c6941d7f24051@mail.gmail.com>
	<edce57650601110102g106c3026k@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43C81E3B.6090800@forsalebyowner.com>

 From what I've read of the manual for cake it doesn't look like it 
parses, but generates code similar to ruby on rails.  Anyone have any 
experience with this MVC?  I myself have been tinkering with my own 
framework, but I'm thinking perhaps it might be better to throw my cards 
in you develop with one that is already established.



Alberto dos Santos wrote:
> try Qcodo, www.qcodo.com <http://www.qcodo.com>, it generates code 
> instead of just parsing it at runtime, it's stable and OO oriented and 
> based on PHP5 and comes complete with a presentation layer.
> The more I use it, the more I love it. (not an affiliate, though...)
>
> On 11/01/06, *Greg Gurevich* <greggurevich at gmail.com 
> <mailto:greggurevich at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>        I have been programming PHP for years, recently I am starting
>     to look
>        at different frameworks to start using in new products I am
>     basically
>        going with either Cake or Symfony, I wanted to know if anyone
>     on the
>        board has experience with either and which one you guys would
>        recommend.
>        Thanks,
>        Greg
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From jwinter at gmail.com  Fri Jan 13 17:16:32 2006
From: jwinter at gmail.com (Joe Winter)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:16:32 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Favorite PHP Shopping cart suggestions
In-Reply-To: <007401c6185b$ade51580$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
References: <20060113153057.GX26280@desario.homelinux.net>
	<007401c6185b$ade51580$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <4cf2bee00601131416y416fcd35x15f694fd66d24111@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/13/06, Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:
> Sounds like there's no easy answer. X-Cart seems interesting.

I haven't used either, but what hasn't been mentioned is that X-Cart
isn't open sourced and Zen Cart is GPL.

Joe W.


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri Jan 13 17:38:51 2006
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 17:38:51 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] An Email Architecture Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <40687.38.117.147.25.1137179887.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
References: <40687.38.117.147.25.1137179887.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
Message-ID: <4678E828-422B-4AC7-AADF-A6D03E81733D@jonbaer.com>

This may be complete overkill for what you need but for a bot/AI/auto- 
respond project I used phpcap to trap all inbound "requests" (110)  
and outbound "responses" (25) traffic + placed them into a database  
by timestamp and subject (which created the "threads") ...

http://alcane.newffr.com/phpcap/
(im not sure if this extension is maintained anymore or will work w/  
latest libpcap)

It was just smarter handling of the traffic since snort  
(www.snort.org) did not do what was neeed.  The benefit was that the  
emails were not touched.  (You can regex keywords on  
domain,to,from,cc,subject,body) to ~tag emails.

- Jon

On Jan 13, 2006, at 2:18 PM, Kenneth Downs wrote:

> OK, here's a brain teaser.  I've got my own answer in mind for  
> this, but
> I'd be really curious to see if anyone else has any ideas.
>
> The problem is simple:  All emails flowing through a certain domain  
> must
> be tracked and associated with a job in a database.  The following  
> rules
> apply:
>
> 1) Must not require re-inventing an SMTP server, or any C coding in an
> existing SMTP server.  By the same token we don't want to re-invent
> webmail and force everyone to use it.  Solution must be in pure PHP,
> though may use any plug-in or extension system that an SMTP server
> provides that allows coding in PHP.
>
> 2) Must require minimal if not zero change in habits for users.  For
> instace, requiring users to put complicated codes into their emails  
> won't
> work because people won't do it.
>
> 3) Some kind of pool of un-matchable emails should be available to an
> admin who then matches them to jobs.
>
> 4) Every email should slot into a job, and replies should be  
> sortable into
> threads by UI software.
>
> So how would you do that?
>
> -- 
> Kenneth Downs
> Secure Data Software
> 631-379-0010
> ken at secdat.com
> PO Box 708
> East Setauket, NY 11733
>
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri Jan 13 21:17:21 2006
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:17:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] New MySQL features (5.1.x)
Message-ID: <8BED0E40-F5B5-4FEF-8D7A-C311179F2246@jonbaer.com>

I know this is a PHP list but has anyone noticed the last 2 added  
features to MySQL 5.1.5 and 5.1.6?  (Both of which don't seem to be  
available in alpha yet)

5) XML/XPath support:
http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/mysql-5.1-xml.html

6) Events
http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/event-feature.html

I find these to be very cool and useful but is it or would it be the  
general consensus that as it matures (along w/ routines/functions)  
that these type of procedures will run faster and optimized at the db  
level?  Without the need for php/ruby/python/java?

Do other commerical rdbms offer both options?

- Jon 
   


From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Fri Jan 13 22:32:31 2006
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:32:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] New MySQL features (5.1.x)
In-Reply-To: <8BED0E40-F5B5-4FEF-8D7A-C311179F2246@jonbaer.com>
References: <8BED0E40-F5B5-4FEF-8D7A-C311179F2246@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <43C870CF.7050406@tgaconnect.com>

Jon Baer wrote:
> I know this is a PHP list but has anyone noticed the last 2 added  
> features to MySQL 5.1.5 and 5.1.6?  (Both of which don't seem to be  
> available in alpha yet)
> 
> 5) XML/XPath support:
> http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/mysql-5.1-xml.html
> 
> 6) Events
> http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/event-feature.html
> 
> I find these to be very cool and useful but is it or would it be the  
> general consensus that as it matures (along w/ routines/functions)  
> that these type of procedures will run faster and optimized at the db  
> level?  Without the need for php/ruby/python/java?
> 
> Do other commerical rdbms offer both options?
> 
If you agree that scheduling is pretty much the
same thing as the 'event feature', then yes --
----
MS Sql 2005 has a native xml type which supports xpath.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnsql90/html/sql2k5xml.asp

and SQL Server agent
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/sql/2005/evaluate/newsqlagent.mspx 

----
Sybase ASE 12.5.1 has the 'ASE XML Engine'
http://www.sybase.com/content/1026308/xml_wp2.pdf

and  a scheduler
http://www.sybase.com/detail?id=1026304
-----
Oracle 9i/10g has 'native xml support'
http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/xml/xmldb/index.html

10g has a scheduler
http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/database/scheduler/htdocs/scheduler_fov.html 

-----
PostgresSQL:

http://www.throwingbeans.org/tech/postgresql_and_xml.html

http://people.planetpostgresql.org/dpage/index.php?/archives/4-Its-Alive!.html

-- 
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'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri Jan 13 23:18:29 2006
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:18:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] New MySQL features (5.1.x)
In-Reply-To: <43C870CF.7050406@tgaconnect.com>
References: <8BED0E40-F5B5-4FEF-8D7A-C311179F2246@jonbaer.com>
	<43C870CF.7050406@tgaconnect.com>
Message-ID: <70E5B20E-105C-4CDB-A930-0D55AC88E70E@jonbaer.com>

Excellent overview/snapshot, thanks for the links Tim, very helpful!

- Jon

On Jan 13, 2006, at 10:32 PM, Tim Gales wrote:
>
> -----
> PostgresSQL:
>
> http://www.throwingbeans.org/tech/postgresql_and_xml.html
>
> http://people.planetpostgresql.org/dpage/index.php?/archives/4-Its- 
> Alive!.html
>
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>
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From randalrust at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 12:48:41 2006
From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 12:48:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
Message-ID: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>

Coming from a procedural background, I've been able to move to the OOP
way of doing things, but I am far from really mastering it, and making
things as reusable as I probably can. One thing that always bugs me is
how I access the DB object in all of the other classes.

I always include and instantiate the DB this way:

include 'class_db.php';
$db = new DB;
$db = $db->conn;//the db object is generated with the help of ADODB

Then, in my other classes, like class_content(), I pass the $db to
each method, like this:

function addContent($db, $type)
function viewContent($db, $rec)
function updateContent($db, $rec)

This works OK when I'm dealing with the DB object, but there are a
couple of other classes, like class_image that I need to access in
other classes as well. It doesn't make sense to have this...

function addContent($db, $image, $type)

...so that I can have access to all of the methods for class_image
inside of class_content.

What is it that I'm not grasping?

--
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com


From ken at secdat.com  Sat Jan 14 13:01:02 2006
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:01:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37396.38.117.147.25.1137261662.squirrel@38.117.147.25>

There are two real issues here.

But, these are obscured by the OO factor.  First off, OO does not make
code any more re-usable than procedural code, you just use it differently.
 The problem you are hitting would be the same if you were using
procedural code, which is A) Variable scoping and B) organizining of
subroutines.

So first you have to tackle the issue of scoping the connection to the DB.
 I myself use a global connection handle that is opened at request start
and closed at request end.  This has the benefit of being simplest correct
way in my context.  But if this is not appropriate to your context, the
you will have to obtain the handle and then pass it around to those
routines that need it.

The next issue is proper decomposition of the subroutines.  This again is
the same in OO vs. Procedural.  Perhaps there should be data retrieval
routines that pull information from a database, and separate rendering
routines that turn retrieved data into HTML.  Then its more clear that you
hand the DB handle to the data retrieval routines and they give you back
data, and then you hand that data to rendering routines.

Hope this helps.

> Coming from a procedural background, I've been able to move to the OOP
> way of doing things, but I am far from really mastering it, and making
> things as reusable as I probably can. One thing that always bugs me is
> how I access the DB object in all of the other classes.
>
> I always include and instantiate the DB this way:
>
> include 'class_db.php';
> $db = new DB;
> $db = $db->conn;//the db object is generated with the help of ADODB
>
> Then, in my other classes, like class_content(), I pass the $db to
> each method, like this:
>
> function addContent($db, $type)
> function viewContent($db, $rec)
> function updateContent($db, $rec)
>
> This works OK when I'm dealing with the DB object, but there are a
> couple of other classes, like class_image that I need to access in
> other classes as well. It doesn't make sense to have this...
>
> function addContent($db, $image, $type)
>
> ...so that I can have access to all of the methods for class_image
> inside of class_content.
>
> What is it that I'm not grasping?
>
> --
> Randal Rust
> R.Squared Communications
> www.r2communications.com
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631-379-0010
ken at secdat.com
PO Box 708
East Setauket, NY 11733



From randalrust at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 13:16:19 2006
From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 13:16:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <37396.38.117.147.25.1137261662.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<37396.38.117.147.25.1137261662.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
Message-ID: <a9caffe50601141016p34bd0d17teec75bf155cd012e@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/14/06, Kenneth Downs <ken at secdat.com> wrote:

> So first you have to tackle the issue of scoping the connection to the DB.
>  I myself use a global connection handle that is opened at request start
> and closed at request end.

Here is what my connection class looks like:

<?php

class DB {
	var $conn;
	//constructor
	function DB (){
		//include 'adodb/adodb.inc.php';
		$this->conn =& ADONewConnection('mysql');
		if($ip=$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR']=='127.0.0.1'){
			$conn=$this->conn->PConnect('localhost','','','osboc');
			}
			else {
				//$conn=$this->conn->PConnect('localhost','','','');
				$conn=$this->conn->PConnect('localhost','','','_');
				}
		return $conn;
		}
	}
?>

> But if this is not appropriate to your context, the
> you will have to obtain the handle and then pass it around to those
> routines that need it.

Which is what I'm doing now. Whether or not it's appropriate, I don't
know. I just know that it works.

> Perhaps there should be data retrieval
> routines that pull information from a database, and separate rendering
> routines that turn retrieved data into HTML.

I try as much as I can to keep my methods from producing HTML, but
most of them strictly make calls to the DB and return information, or
return something based on the action of another method.

--
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sat Jan 14 18:04:37 2006
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:04:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>

Hey Randal:

On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 12:48:41PM -0500, Randal Rust wrote:
> I always include and instantiate the DB this way:
> 
> include 'class_db.php';
> $db = new DB;
> $db = $db->conn;//the db object is generated with the help of ADODB
> 
> Then, in my other classes, like class_content(), I pass the $db to
> each method, like this:
> 
> function addContent($db, $type)

Easiest thing to do is in the class_content class, have a property named 
$db and set it in the constructor.  Or, have all your classes extend from 
the DB class.

class foo {
    public $db = null;

    public function __construct() {
        include PATH . '/include/class_db.inc';
        $this->db = new DB;
    }
}

--Dan

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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sat Jan 14 18:07:18 2006
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:07:18 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] An Email Architecture Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <20060113192735.GZ26280@desario.homelinux.net>
References: <40687.38.117.147.25.1137179887.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
	<20060113192735.GZ26280@desario.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <20060114230718.GB6891@panix.com>

Hey Folks:

On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 02:27:35PM -0500, Andrew Yochum wrote:
> 
> Configure your SMTP server or procmail to filter all email through a PHP
> script.

Exactly what I was going to say.  Procmail is a great thing.

--Dan

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            data intensive web and database programming
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From cliff at pinestream.com  Mon Jan 16 09:07:04 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (cliff)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:07:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20060116140704.M66993@pinestream.com>

Extending the core db class is a great idea.

Instead of having to include $db in ever function argument, I have been 
using $db in a global context as previously mentioned. If typing $GLOBAL
{'db'] gets old, you can also set up a constructor in each class:

class foo {
    private $db

    public function __construct() {
        $this->db = $GLOBAL['db];  // reference to global db object
    }

    public function addContent($type) {}
 }

On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 18:04:37 -0500, Daniel Convissor wrote
> Hey Randal:
> 
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 12:48:41PM -0500, Randal Rust wrote:
> > I always include and instantiate the DB this way:
> > 
> > include 'class_db.php';
> > $db = new DB;
> > $db = $db->conn;//the db object is generated with the help of ADODB
> > 
> > Then, in my other classes, like class_content(), I pass the $db to
> > each method, like this:
> > 
> > function addContent($db, $type)
> 
> Easiest thing to do is in the class_content class, have a property 
> named $db and set it in the constructor.  Or, have all your classes 
> extend from the DB class.
> 
> class foo {
>     public $db = null;
> 
>     public function __construct() {
>         include PATH . '/include/class_db.inc';
>         $this->db = new DB;
>     }
> }
> 
> --Dan
> 
> -- 
>  T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>             data intensive web and database programming
>                 http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
>  4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409
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From list at harveyk.com  Mon Jan 16 09:20:34 2006
From: list at harveyk.com (harvey)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:20:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Document management software for site
In-Reply-To: <330532b60601110848w6de078bdg8b8ab55e2cff4241@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060110162615.04ab3ee0@usa.com>
	<BC1DD622-C172-4ABC-893E-AD1ADE4BA4FF@jonbaer.com>
	<7.0.0.16.2.20060110174229.04a95f00@harveyk.com>
	<330532b60601110848w6de078bdg8b8ab55e2cff4241@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060116091741.04abe698@harveyk.com>

Joomla looks really slick, but it seems like you can only go two 
levels deep (main categories, subcategories) and I might need to go deeper

Mambodocman looks good also, but seems more for managing downloadable 
docs rather than web pages

I've been fooling around with Etomite which looks like it will do 
nicely for my needs



At 11:48 AM 1/11/2006, Mitch Pirtle wrote:

>On 1/10/06, harvey <list at harveyk.com> wrote:
> > Thanks, I did a quick review, and that might do pretty well...
> >
> >
> > At 04:38 PM 1/10/2006, you wrote:
> >
> > >Try Joomla!
> > >
> > >http://www.joomla.org
>
>That's one brownie point for Jon ;-)
>
>Also, there's DocMan, the Mambo/Joomla! document management component:
>     http://www.mambodocman.com/
>
>One of the DocMan developers is a core developer on Joomla!, and
>development has really picked up lately and some really new and
>exciting releases are on the way.
>
>If you want document management (and not just content management) I'd
>take a look at DocMan.
>
>--
>Mitch Pirtle
>Joomla! Core Developer
>Open Source Matters
>_______________________________________________
>New York PHP Talk Mailing List
>AMP Technology
>Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>http://www.nyphp.org



From list at harveyk.com  Mon Jan 16 09:22:44 2006
From: list at harveyk.com (harvey)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:22:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP forum apps
In-Reply-To: <330532b60601110843h7900cd7ct273b2de82e5848b7@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <43C2FE0E.7010304@neuropunks.org>
	<330532b60601110843h7900cd7ct273b2de82e5848b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060116092117.04a86a18@harveyk.com>

I just implemented SMF (based on the recommendation below) and I like 
it. Install was straightforward, works nicely "out of the box", very 
easy to integrate into my site design, fairly easy to modify the 
template code if needed...


At 11:43 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote:

>On 1/9/06, Max Gribov <max at neuropunks.org> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > quick question about forum software, does anyone have their favorite or
> > most trusted one?
>
>I'm a huge fan of SMF from www.simplemachines.org, which has excellent
>performance, good features, and a strong security history.
>
>That's what we use to power the community forums for Joomla! and those
>are some busy forums ;-)
>
>--
>Mitch Pirtle
>Joomla! Core Developer
>Open Source Matters
>_______________________________________________
>New York PHP Talk Mailing List
>AMP Technology
>Supporting Apache, MySQL and PHP
>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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From randalrust at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 09:40:10 2006
From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:40:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <20060116140704.M66993@pinestream.com>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
	<20060116140704.M66993@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <a9caffe50601160640s2b1726ebnd25304a0e22de6c3@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/16/06, cliff <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:

> you can also set up a constructor in each class:

What is the effect though if you need access to two objects, and both
of them create the db connection in their respective constructor?

--
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com


From linux_rocks1 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 16 14:50:04 2006
From: linux_rocks1 at yahoo.com (Linux Rocks)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:50:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Which Linux text editor?
Message-ID: <20060116195004.75216.qmail@web35910.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello all:

What is a good and easy to use text editor to write
PHP for linux? Something similar to EditPad with
colors and automatic completion tags...

Thanks.

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From henry at beewh.com  Mon Jan 16 14:57:56 2006
From: henry at beewh.com (Henry Ponce)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:57:56 -0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Which Linux text editor?
In-Reply-To: <20060116195004.75216.qmail@web35910.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060116195004.75216.qmail@web35910.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200601161657.56935.henry@beewh.com>

I use JEdit to code.

www.jedit.org

Henry

On Monday 16 January 2006 16:50, Linux Rocks wrote:
> Hello all:
>
> What is a good and easy to use text editor to write
> PHP for linux? Something similar to EditPad with
> colors and automatic completion tags...
>
> Thanks.
>
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From ken at secdat.com  Mon Jan 16 14:57:46 2006
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 14:57:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Which Linux text editor?
In-Reply-To: <20060116195004.75216.qmail@web35910.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060116195004.75216.qmail@web35910.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42105.38.117.147.25.1137441466.squirrel@38.117.147.25>

You will of course get many answers...

I like jedit because:
-> Has syntax coloring, of course
-> Very intuitive handling of multiple windows
-> Can parse PHP and highlight errors
-> Has intellisense (which admittedly I never tried to get working)
-> Easy to install
-> Lots of plugins
-> Pretty easy to write your own syntax coloring, which I need
-> Session memory, opens all files that were open last time
-> Has webdav extension, but I've never used it
-> Can "HTML-ize" text, excellent for code snippets in docs.
-> And of course that difficult-to-describe-just-feels-right quality

> Hello all:
>
> What is a good and easy to use text editor to write
> PHP for linux? Something similar to EditPad with
> colors and automatic completion tags...
>
> Thanks.
>
> __________________________________________________
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>


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East Setauket, NY 11733



From yournway at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 15:36:01 2006
From: yournway at gmail.com (Alberto dos Santos)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 20:36:01 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Which Linux text editor?
In-Reply-To: <42105.38.117.147.25.1137441466.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
References: <20060116195004.75216.qmail@web35910.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<42105.38.117.147.25.1137441466.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
Message-ID: <edce57650601161236j3f2d6c4bh@mail.gmail.com>

try editplus.
-> light
-> fast
-> code coloring
-> etc...


On 16/01/06, Kenneth Downs <ken at secdat.com> wrote:
> You will of course get many answers...
>
> I like jedit because:
> -> Has syntax coloring, of course
> -> Very intuitive handling of multiple windows
> -> Can parse PHP and highlight errors
> -> Has intellisense (which admittedly I never tried to get working)
> -> Easy to install
> -> Lots of plugins
> -> Pretty easy to write your own syntax coloring, which I need
> -> Session memory, opens all files that were open last time
> -> Has webdav extension, but I've never used it
> -> Can "HTML-ize" text, excellent for code snippets in docs.
> -> And of course that difficult-to-describe-just-feels-right quality
>
> > Hello all:
> >
> > What is a good and easy to use text editor to write
> > PHP for linux? Something similar to EditPad with
> > colors and automatic completion tags...
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> > Show Your Participation
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > http://www.nyphp.org
> >
>
>
> --
> Kenneth Downs
> Secure Data Software
> 631-379-0010
> ken at secdat.com
> PO Box 708
> East Setauket, NY 11733
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


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IT Consultant

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From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 15:49:39 2006
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:49:39 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Which Linux text editor?
In-Reply-To: <20060116195004.75216.qmail@web35910.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20060116195004.75216.qmail@web35910.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <330532b60601161249n4f3f4ac9q54fc3145a9cee827@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/16/06, Linux Rocks <linux_rocks1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> What is a good and easy to use text editor to write
> PHP for linux? Something similar to EditPad with
> colors and automatic completion tags...

If I am in KDE I use Quanta.
If I am in GNOME I use bluefish.
If I am in Windows I use PSPad.
Regardless of operating system, I usually use eclipse ;-)

--
Mitch Pirtle
Joomla! Core Developer
Open Source Matters


From cliff at pinestream.com  Mon Jan 16 18:01:58 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:01:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <a9caffe50601160640s2b1726ebnd25304a0e22de6c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c61af0$da9ca510$6502a8c0@HirschLaptop>

Nothing, if the db connection object is created as a singleton.
Otherwise, you would generate multiple connections.

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Randal Rust
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:40 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another

On 1/16/06, cliff <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:

> you can also set up a constructor in each class:

What is the effect though if you need access to two objects, and both
of them create the db connection in their respective constructor?

--
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R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com
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From Consult at CovenantEDesign.com  Mon Jan 16 18:20:49 2006
From: Consult at CovenantEDesign.com (CED)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 18:20:49 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
References: <001c01c61af0$da9ca510$6502a8c0@HirschLaptop>
Message-ID: <002701c61af3$7edc4de0$1519a8c0@ced>

You create an object for DB called for when accessing objects that need that
particular connection... Ahh AOP seems so applicable here. =D

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Randal Rust
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:40 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another

On 1/16/06, cliff <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:

> you can also set up a constructor in each class:

What is the effect though if you need access to two objects, and both
of them create the db connection in their respective constructor?

--
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R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com
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From cweyl at alumni.drew.edu  Mon Jan 16 21:26:37 2006
From: cweyl at alumni.drew.edu (Chris Weyl)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:26:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <002701c61af3$7edc4de0$1519a8c0@ced>
References: <001c01c61af0$da9ca510$6502a8c0@HirschLaptop>
	<002701c61af3$7edc4de0$1519a8c0@ced>
Message-ID: <7dd7ab490601161826rb88813bg98c6867f23535a8@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/16/06, CED <Consult at covenantedesign.com> wrote:
> You create an object for DB called for when accessing objects that need that
> particular connection... Ahh AOP seems so applicable here. =D

When I only need a single db connection (e.g. the db/userid/passwd are
the same for all acceses), I actually tend to just add to my base
class (from which all other classes derive at some level:

class Base {

    ...

    public static $dbh = NULL;

    ....

    public static function get_dbh() {
        if (self::$dbh == NULL)
            self::$dbh = //connection code here//

        return self::$dbh;
    }
}

That way, I only ever have to open the connection to the database
once, and can keep on reusing the same object no matter where I am by
calling Base::get_dbh().  You get the idea.

Come to think of it, this wouldn't even need to be in your base class,
if such a thing doesn't work nicely for you; you could stick it in a
standalone class of its own, and just access the static methods.

                                  -Chris


From mikko.rantalainen at peda.net  Tue Jan 17 07:32:21 2006
From: mikko.rantalainen at peda.net (Mikko Rantalainen)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 14:32:21 +0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Which Linux text editor?
In-Reply-To: <42105.38.117.147.25.1137441466.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
References: <20060116195004.75216.qmail@web35910.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<42105.38.117.147.25.1137441466.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
Message-ID: <43CCE3D5.1080900@peda.net>

Kenneth Downs wrote:
> You will of course get many answers...
> 
> I like jedit because:
> -> Has syntax coloring, of course
+1

> -> Very intuitive handling of multiple windows
-1 far from perfect IMO. Though, I use BufferTabs plugin which may 
trigger some bugs. Or perhaps it's my window manager (IceWM)?

> -> Can parse PHP and highlight errors
+1 (look for PHPParserPlugin)

> -> Has intellisense (which admittedly I never tried to get working)
In fact it has multiple implementations as plugins. All the 
implementations I've used collide with some other plugin I'm using 
and those other plugins are more important for me.

> -> Easy to install
Well, it's java based and some stuff works better with some VMs and 
some other stuff works better with some other VM. For example, Sun 
Java 1.6 (mustang) is much faster under linux than any older version 
but jEdit has some problems reading the keyboard correctly with it 
(e.g. try binding something to alt+ctrl+o and watch an extra "o" 
appear when you try that key combination). I use following flags for 
java to deal with memory requirements: -Xms4M -Xmx256M.

> -> Pretty easy to write your own syntax coloring, which I need
+1

> -> Session memory, opens all files that were open last time
Also try BufferLocal plugin. It remembers some extra stuff on 
per-file basis.

I haven't yet tried eclipse for a long enough time to say anything 
final about it but I guess jEdit is the only real choice. (Of 
course, if you *already* know vi or emacs, then by all means use 
those. OTOH, if you're not familiar with either, I'm not too sure if 
they are worth the effort... There are other very good editors, too.)

I'd also suggest trying OpenIt and Tags plugins.

-- 
Mikko


From jharrop at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 15:19:43 2006
From: jharrop at gmail.com (Jason Harrop)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:19:43 +1100
Subject: [nycphp-talk] XAMPP (PHP 5.1.1) on Windows and Tidy - crashes
Message-ID: <142396750601171219pded8e4bl2a6c640e39b30480@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I'm trying to use Tidy as bundled with XAMPP on Windows.

I've enabled it in php.ini, thus:

      extension=php_tidy.dll

And that much seems ok:

   Tidy support enabled
   libTidy Release      1st July 2004
   Extension Version    2.0 ($Id: tidy.c,v 1.71 2005/11/14 21:52:27
tony2001 Exp $)

However, using it in php crashes Apache.

Similarly, i get an unhandled Win32 exception in php.exe [2488] when i try:

   C:\Program Files\XAMPP\xampp>php\php -c apache\bin\php.ini
htdocs\cleanhtml5.php
   <html></html>
   ^Z

using the example code from http://www.coggeshall.org/oss/tidy/

Any ideas?

Also, any idea where there are user mailing lists for XAMPP?

thanks

cheers

Jason


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Tue Jan 17 15:59:51 2006
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:59:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601171550430.41336@emra.pair.com>


If you're using PHP 5, one nice thing about the good old singleton is you
can get your instance from any scope.

$db = MyDatabaseClass::getInstance() ;

//// from MyDatabaseClass

private static $instance = null;

public static function getInstance() {

    if (is_null(self::$instance)) {
	// this uses PEAR and relies on an __autoload
        self::$instance = DB::connect("$driver://$user:$password@$host/$db");
	if (DB::isError(self::$instance)){
            trigger_error('could not connect to database',E_USER_ERROR);
	}
	self::$instance->setFetchMode(DB_FETCHMODE_ASSOC);
	// et cetera
    }
    return self::$instance;
}

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their
persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon
probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Tue Jan 17 16:00:51 2006
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:00:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601171550430.41336@emra.pair.com>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0601171550430.41336@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601171600280.41336@emra.pair.com>


Ooops, sorry, I should've read the whole thread first.

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their
persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon
probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


From ken at secdat.com  Tue Jan 17 16:03:06 2006
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:03:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT]: Sigblock
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601171550430.41336@emra.pair.com>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0601171550430.41336@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <44956.38.117.147.25.1137531786.squirrel@38.117.147.25>

I like that sigblock.  Reminds me of Edward Murrow, who they quoted on the
Golden Globes last night "We cannot defend liberty abroad while abandoning
it at home."

>
> The right of the people to be secure in their
> persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
> unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
> violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon
> probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
> and particularly describing the place to be
> searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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ken at secdat.com
PO Box 708
East Setauket, NY 11733



From IAlsoAgree at stny.rr.com  Tue Jan 17 20:20:03 2006
From: IAlsoAgree at stny.rr.com (IAlsoAgree at stny.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:20:03 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Question Using If's and Possible Arrays
Message-ID: <16de35f16d689d.16d689d16de35f@nyroc.rr.com>

I have a question about using if statements with variables that are
sometimes arrays and sometimes not arrays.

I have a function that returns either the contents of a database row or
false.
For example:
$variable = callfunction()

In this case, callfunction would either return the contents of a row in
a database or simply false.

Lets assume that, for instances of this question, callfunction returns
false and $variable is now equal to false.
function callfunction()
 {
  return false;
 }

If I then use:
if ($variable['alias'])

Will the if statement result in false because that is the only value of
$variable (noting that $variable has NOT been initiated as an array,
this is the first time it has been refrenced as an array)?

-Joe




From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue Jan 17 20:36:00 2006
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:36:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Question Using If's and Possible Arrays
In-Reply-To: <16de35f16d689d.16d689d16de35f@nyroc.rr.com>
References: <16de35f16d689d.16d689d16de35f@nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20060118013600.GA3818@panix.com>

Joe:

On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 08:20:03PM -0500, IAlsoAgree at stny.rr.com wrote:
> function callfunction()
>  {
>   return false;
>  }
>
> $variable = callfunction()
> 
> if ($variable['alias'])

You made a nearly perfect test case.  Why don't you run it and see what 
happens?  You'd have your answer already.

--Dan

PS:  You'll find that you need to check for "if ($variable)" first.

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 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Tue Jan 17 20:40:08 2006
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:40:08 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Question Using If's and Possible Arrays
In-Reply-To: <16de35f16d689d.16d689d16de35f@nyroc.rr.com>
References: <16de35f16d689d.16d689d16de35f@nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <43CD9C78.1060104@phpwerx.net>

As you may have found out, the value of $variable['alias'] will be NULL.

I'm not sure the internal reason for this, but it should never be an 
issue because you should have a line checking the return of callfunction 
and acting appropriately if it's not what's expected.

Something like:

function callfunction()
{
   return false;
}

$variable = callfunction();

if (!is_array($variable)) {
   echo 'there was an error';
}

if ($variable['alias']) {
   do_something();
} else {
   do_something_else();
}

Of course if you were using pear errors you would be able to change it to:

function callfunction()
{
   return PEAR::raiseError('error message',1);
}

$variable = callfunction();

if (PEAR::isError($variable)) {
   echo 'there was an error: '.$variable->getMessage();
}

if ($variable['alias']) {
   do_something();
} else {
   do_something_else();
}

Hope this helps,

Dan

IAlsoAgree at stny.rr.com wrote:
> I have a question about using if statements with variables that are
> sometimes arrays and sometimes not arrays.
> 
> I have a function that returns either the contents of a database row or
> false.
> For example:
> $variable = callfunction()
> 
> In this case, callfunction would either return the contents of a row in
> a database or simply false.
> 
> Lets assume that, for instances of this question, callfunction returns
> false and $variable is now equal to false.
> function callfunction()
>  {
>   return false;
>  }
> 
> If I then use:
> if ($variable['alias'])
> 
> Will the if statement result in false because that is the only value of
> $variable (noting that $variable has NOT been initiated as an array,
> this is the first time it has been refrenced as an array)?
> 
> -Joe



From IAlsoAgree at stny.rr.com  Tue Jan 17 20:48:04 2006
From: IAlsoAgree at stny.rr.com (IAlsoAgree at stny.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:48:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Question Using If's and Possible Arrays
Message-ID: <16df09416dde47.16dde4716df094@nyroc.rr.com>

Meh... me and lazyness. Actually I've been working on my first big
project with PHP and I'm still caught up in the functions I'm writing.

For anyone who is interested, I tested the following code:
 function returnfalse()
  {
   return false;
  }
 function returntrue()
  {
   return true;
  }

  $i = returntrue();

  if ($i['private'])
    {
     echo ("<p>As true statement returns true.</p>");
    }
   else
    {
     echo ("<p>As true statement returns false.</p>");
    }

  if ($i)
    {
     echo ("<p>As true statement returns true.</p>");
    }
   else
    {
     echo ("<p>As true statement returns false.</p>");
    }

  $i = returnfalse();

  if ($i['private'])
    {
     echo ("<p>Statment returned as true.</p>");
    }
   else
    {
     echo ("<p>Statment returned as false.</p>");
    }

  if ($i)
    {
     echo ("<p>Statement returned as true.</p>");
    }
   else
    {
     echo ("<p>Statement returned as false.</p>");
    }

The script returned (as expected):
As true statement returns false.

As true statement returns true.

Statment returned as false.

Statement returned as false.

-Joe

----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Convissor <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:36 pm
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Question Using If's and Possible Arrays

> Joe:
> 
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 08:20:03PM -0500, IAlsoAgree at stny.rr.com 
> wrote:> function callfunction()
> >  {
> >   return false;
> >  }
> >
> > $variable = callfunction()
> > 
> > if ($variable['alias'])
> 
> You made a nearly perfect test case.  Why don't you run it and see 
> what 
> happens?  You'd have your answer already.
> 
> --Dan
> 
> PS:  You'll find that you need to check for "if ($variable)" first.
> 
> -- 
> T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
>            data intensive web and database programming
>                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
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From ken at secdat.com  Tue Jan 17 21:01:44 2006
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:01:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Question Using If's and Possible Arrays
In-Reply-To: <16de35f16d689d.16d689d16de35f@nyroc.rr.com>
References: <16de35f16d689d.16d689d16de35f@nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <38441.38.117.147.25.1137549704.squirrel@38.117.147.25>

PHP has a construct for this:

if ( ($variable=callfunction()) === false) {
  .. nothing happens
}
else {
   ....processing here...
}

the triple equals sign means "matches on type and value". So you can
distinguish between these two kinds of cases:

if (0==false)  { echo "this code will execute"; }
if (0===false) { echo "this code will not execute"; }

> I have a question about using if statements with variables that are
> sometimes arrays and sometimes not arrays.
>
> I have a function that returns either the contents of a database row or
> false.
> For example:
> $variable = callfunction()
>
> In this case, callfunction would either return the contents of a row in
> a database or simply false.
>
> Lets assume that, for instances of this question, callfunction returns
> false and $variable is now equal to false.
> function callfunction()
>  {
>   return false;
>  }
>
> If I then use:
> if ($variable['alias'])
>
> Will the if statement result in false because that is the only value of
> $variable (noting that $variable has NOT been initiated as an array,
> this is the first time it has been refrenced as an array)?
>
> -Joe
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Show Your Participation
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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>


-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software
631-379-0010
ken at secdat.com
PO Box 708
East Setauket, NY 11733



From cliff at pinestream.com  Tue Jan 17 21:25:08 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (cliff)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:25:08 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Question Using If's and Possible Arrays
In-Reply-To: <16df09416dde47.16dde4716df094@nyroc.rr.com>
References: <16df09416dde47.16dde4716df094@nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20060118022508.M78954@pinestream.com>

What level of error reporting did you use - E_ALL? I believe using an index 
that does not exist generates an e-notice warning.

I also often use false as a return value. If a valid return isn't an array, 
just remember that null, and the # 0, also evaluate as false. The safest bet 
is to use === to match the type.

On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:48:04 -0500, IAlsoAgree wrote
> Meh... me and lazyness. Actually I've been working on my first big
> project with PHP and I'm still caught up in the functions I'm writing.
> 
> For anyone who is interested, I tested the following code:
>  function returnfalse()
>   {
>    return false;
>   }
>  function returntrue()
>   {
>    return true;
>   }
> 
>   $i = returntrue();
> 
>   if ($i['private'])
>     {
>      echo ("<p>As true statement returns true.</p>");
>     }
>    else
>     {
>      echo ("<p>As true statement returns false.</p>");
>     }
> 
>   if ($i)
>     {
>      echo ("<p>As true statement returns true.</p>");
>     }
>    else
>     {
>      echo ("<p>As true statement returns false.</p>");
>     }
> 
>   $i = returnfalse();
> 
>   if ($i['private'])
>     {
>      echo ("<p>Statment returned as true.</p>");
>     }
>    else
>     {
>      echo ("<p>Statment returned as false.</p>");
>     }
> 
>   if ($i)
>     {
>      echo ("<p>Statement returned as true.</p>");
>     }
>    else
>     {
>      echo ("<p>Statement returned as false.</p>");
>     }
> 
> The script returned (as expected):
> As true statement returns false.
> 
> As true statement returns true.
> 
> Statment returned as false.
> 
> Statement returned as false.
> 
> -Joe
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Convissor <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:36 pm
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Question Using If's and Possible Arrays
> 
> > Joe:
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 08:20:03PM -0500, IAlsoAgree at stny.rr.com 
> > wrote:> function callfunction()
> > >  {
> > >   return false;
> > >  }
> > >
> > > $variable = callfunction()
> > > 
> > > if ($variable['alias'])
> > 
> > You made a nearly perfect test case.  Why don't you run it and see 
> > what 
> > happens?  You'd have your answer already.
> > 
> > --Dan
> > 
> > PS:  You'll find that you need to check for "if ($variable)" first.
> > 
> > -- 
> > T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
> >            data intensive web and database programming
> >                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
> > 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> > Show Your Participation
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Tue Jan 17 21:42:57 2006
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 21:42:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Question Using If's and Possible Arrays
In-Reply-To: <20060118022508.M78954@pinestream.com>
References: <16df09416dde47.16dde4716df094@nyroc.rr.com>
	<20060118022508.M78954@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <20060118024257.GA8770@panix.com>

Hey Joe:

On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 09:25:08PM -0500, cliff wrote:
> What level of error reporting did you use - E_ALL? I believe using an index 
> that does not exist generates an e-notice warning.

Exactly what I was going to say.  On your development machine, set 
your error reporting to E_ALL.  You'll save your self tons of headaches 
and embarrassment in the long run.

--Dan

PS: So will snipping out unnecessary parts of prior postings.

-- 
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From enolists at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 03:06:48 2006
From: enolists at gmail.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:06:48 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] An Email Architecture Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <20060113192735.GZ26280@desario.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <00c201c61c06$2301cd60$6500a8c0@enobrev>

I'd worked on a similar app a few years ago for a customer service
application.  I've been wanting to re-implement it for my own projects,
though time's been lacking.

Basically, the best way I could figure was to use the email addresses as
your filters.

Set up a database of jobs.  Each job has a begin date and end date.  Each
job also has a list of the email addresses of those involved in the job.

Forward all the emails to a php script (or perl or whatever, I used php).

Now, the script will look at all email addresses in the message (to, from,
cc, etc), check them against the jobs db.  If the address matches an address
associated with a job and has been sent between the beginning and end dates
of said job, it should be so associated.

Then mark / filter / process your messages from there, whether it be adding
tracking info to the subject / message body for client-side filtering or
forwarding it / storing it in the database, etc.

Also, have a cache of unrecognized email addresses in case some haven't been
associated with a job and should have.

A tagging system might work better (rather than 'folder' organization) as
there's times when email messages or address might be associated with
multiple jobs.  

Good luck!

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Yochum
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:28 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] An Email Architecture Puzzle
> 
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 02:18:07PM -0500, Kenneth Downs wrote:
> > OK, here's a brain teaser.  I've got my own answer in mind 
> for this, 
> > but I'd be really curious to see if anyone else has any ideas.
> > 
> > The problem is simple:  All emails flowing through a certain domain 
> > must be tracked and associated with a job in a database.  The 
> > following rules
> > apply:
> > 
> > 1) Must not require re-inventing an SMTP server, or any C 
> coding in an 
> > existing SMTP server.  By the same token we don't want to re-invent 
> > webmail and force everyone to use it.  Solution must be in 
> pure PHP, 
> > though may use any plug-in or extension system that an SMTP server 
> > provides that allows coding in PHP.
> > 
> > 2) Must require minimal if not zero change in habits for 
> users.  For 
> > instace, requiring users to put complicated codes into their emails 
> > won't work because people won't do it.
> > 
> > 3) Some kind of pool of un-matchable emails should be 
> available to an 
> > admin who then matches them to jobs.
> > 
> > 4) Every email should slot into a job, and replies should 
> be sortable 
> > into threads by UI software.
> > 
> > So how would you do that?
> 
> Configure your SMTP server or procmail to filter all email 
> through a PHP script.  Parse, munge (like adding a tracking 
> number to the subject), store it in your DB & pass it through 
> to the recipient.  This is much the same way many spam 
> filters and email-based help desk apps work...
> and CLEW.
> 
> HTH,
> Andrew
> 
> 
> --
> Andrew Yochum
> Plexpod
> andrew at plexpod.com
> 718-360-0879
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From ken at secdat.com  Wed Jan 18 06:01:40 2006
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 06:01:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] An Email Architecture Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <00c201c61c06$2301cd60$6500a8c0@enobrev>
References: <20060113192735.GZ26280@desario.homelinux.net>
	<00c201c61c06$2301cd60$6500a8c0@enobrev>
Message-ID: <38539.38.117.147.25.1137582100.squirrel@38.117.147.25>

>
> A tagging system might work better (rather than 'folder' organization) as
> there's times when email messages or address might be associated with
> multiple jobs.
>

Yes, we never do any hierarchical if we can avoid it.  The email will go
into a table and marked as part of a job, a task, and a conversation.

-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software
631-379-0010
ken at secdat.com
PO Box 708
East Setauket, NY 11733



From randalrust at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 08:37:20 2006
From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:37:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601171550430.41336@emra.pair.com>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0601171550430.41336@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <a9caffe50601180537s4b1965e8g738af695a3246d2e@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/17/06, David Mintz <dmintz at davidmintz.org> wrote:

> If you're using PHP 5, one nice thing about the good old singleton is you
> can get your instance from any scope.

Unfortunately, no. The shared hosting environment I am in has not yet
moved to 5.

--
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com


From randalrust at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 08:58:30 2006
From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:58:30 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
Message-ID: <a9caffe50601180558j3bbf9cbbk180753ee2977d327@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/14/06, Daniel Convissor <danielc at analysisandsolutions.com> wrote:

> Easiest thing to do is in the class_content class, have a property named
> $db and set it in the constructor.

That was actually what I used to do. What I didn't like about it was
that everytime I had to make a call to a method in the $db class, I
was writing....

$this->db->conn->Execute($sql)
$this->db->connErrorMsg()

...and so on.

Instantiating the DB outside of the class, and then passing it as an
argument allowed me to shorten things to...

$db->Execute($sql)
$db->ErrorMsg()

> Or, have all your classes extend from the DB class.

I tried working with that some yesterday, but for some reason I
couldn't quite get it to work.

For the time being, I think I'm OK passing the DB as an argument. No
one has really said that there is anything 'wrong' with that approach.

I guess my options are:

- set a global variable, which has to be passed to each method
- pass it as an argument to each method (pretty much the same as
global, but no chance of it being overwritten)
- instantiate it in the constructor, like I do with my other helper methods
- create a singleton, which I haven't quite figured out yet

--
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com


From ken at secdat.com  Wed Jan 18 09:15:57 2006
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:15:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <a9caffe50601180558j3bbf9cbbk180753ee2977d327@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
	<a9caffe50601180558j3bbf9cbbk180753ee2977d327@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45922.38.117.147.25.1137593757.squirrel@38.117.147.25>

>
> I guess my options are:
>
> - set a global variable, which has to be passed to each method

By the KISS principle, this is the simplest and is also effective. 
Therefore any more complicated solution would have to be defended, no?


-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software
631-379-0010
ken at secdat.com
PO Box 708
East Setauket, NY 11733



From randalrust at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 09:33:07 2006
From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:33:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <45922.38.117.147.25.1137593757.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
	<a9caffe50601180558j3bbf9cbbk180753ee2977d327@mail.gmail.com>
	<45922.38.117.147.25.1137593757.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
Message-ID: <a9caffe50601180633g48bdf46ai6803d323b64c2845@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/18/06, Kenneth Downs <ken at secdat.com> wrote:

> > - set a global variable, which has to be passed to each method

> By the KISS principle, this is the simplest and is also effective.
> Therefore any more complicated solution would have to be defended, no?

Good point.

Not being trained as a programmer, I think that sometimes I
over-analyze my solutions. The reality is, more often than not, I find
that the solutions I come up with on my own are pretty solid. I follow
the discussions here pretty closely, and find that I do things just
about the same way most others do them.

--
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com


From list at harveyk.com  Wed Jan 18 12:49:07 2006
From: list at harveyk.com (harvey)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:49:07 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paypal Pro and Shopping Carts
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060118124826.07998420@usa.com>

Hello....

ZenCart does not seem to have Paypal Pro integrated or any modules for it.

OScommerce does have a Paypal Pro contribution for integrating it.

Has anyone used OScommerce with Paypal Pro?

Or CREloaded with PayPal Pro?

Any issues with either?

Thanks......



From corey at domanistudios.com  Wed Jan 18 12:50:36 2006
From: corey at domanistudios.com (Corey Szopinski)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:50:36 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [JOB] PHP Developer
Message-ID: <B9577F83-E271-4E20-AB4D-99E7792A80B8@domanistudios.com>

Web Developer/Programmer

Domani Studios (www.domanistudios.com) is looking for a web developer  
to help us create award-winning online projects. We work primarily  
with luxury and lifestyle clients such as Geffen Records, Estee  
Lauder, W Hotels, and Mini Cooper. We're looking for an ethusiastic  
mid-level developer to work in our Brooklyn office. You will work  
primarily on adding content mangement tools (cms), business logic,  
and e-commerce features to our projects.

Location: Brooklyn (onsite - please do not apply unless you are  
willing to work in our office)

Responsibilities
- Work with graphic designers and other developers to design, build  
and test online software.
- Build databases, configure server, write code, develop APIs
- Troubleshoot existing software
- Documentation of code
- Bring up smart ideas, and help make them a reality


Requirements
- Strong communication skills
- Ability to work with a team
- Strong desire to keep learning, pushing the envelope
- Experience with E-commerce
- Knowledge of design patterns
- Deep knowledge (3-4 yrs) of PHP, MySQL, HTML, CSS, Javascript, DNS,  
XML
- Extra points for knowing AS 2 (or 3!), C#, AJAX, SQL Server, Perl,  
Ruby, Shell,  Java, Flash Media Server, online games, blogs etc
- Super extra points for knowing Linux systems administration stuff  
(sendmail, apache, grep, sed, and awk)


Compensation:
The salary is competitive and commesurate with experience.

To get the ball rolling, send your cover letter, salary requirement  
and resume to jobs at domanistudios.com.

--------
Corey Szopinski
Director of Technology

DOMANI STUDIOS
corey at domanistudios.com
55 Washington St. Suite 822
Brooklyn, NY 11201
718-797-4470  x116




From jeffrey.knight at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 12:57:02 2006
From: jeffrey.knight at gmail.com (Jeffrey Knight)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:57:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [JOB] PHP Developer
In-Reply-To: <B9577F83-E271-4E20-AB4D-99E7792A80B8@domanistudios.com>
References: <B9577F83-E271-4E20-AB4D-99E7792A80B8@domanistudios.com>
Message-ID: <be2628410601180957i18f16ee2rbd21ae256b2da3e0@mail.gmail.com>

Nice animation on your site http://domanistudios.com !
And great to see a shop in brooklyn .



On 1/18/06, Corey Szopinski <corey at domanistudios.com> wrote:
> Web Developer/Programmer
>
> Domani Studios (www.domanistudios.com) is looking for a web developer
> to help us create award-winning online projects. We work primarily
> with luxury and lifestyle clients such as Geffen Records, Estee
> Lauder, W Hotels, and Mini Cooper. We're looking for an ethusiastic
> mid-level developer to work in our Brooklyn office. You will work
> primarily on adding content mangement tools (cms), business logic,
> and e-commerce features to our projects.
>
> Location: Brooklyn (onsite - please do not apply unless you are
> willing to work in our office)
>
> Responsibilities
> - Work with graphic designers and other developers to design, build
> and test online software.
> - Build databases, configure server, write code, develop APIs
> - Troubleshoot existing software
> - Documentation of code
> - Bring up smart ideas, and help make them a reality
>
>
> Requirements
> - Strong communication skills
> - Ability to work with a team
> - Strong desire to keep learning, pushing the envelope
> - Experience with E-commerce
> - Knowledge of design patterns
> - Deep knowledge (3-4 yrs) of PHP, MySQL, HTML, CSS, Javascript, DNS,
> XML
> - Extra points for knowing AS 2 (or 3!), C#, AJAX, SQL Server, Perl,
> Ruby, Shell,  Java, Flash Media Server, online games, blogs etc
> - Super extra points for knowing Linux systems administration stuff
> (sendmail, apache, grep, sed, and awk)
>
>
> Compensation:
> The salary is competitive and commesurate with experience.
>
> To get the ball rolling, send your cover letter, salary requirement
> and resume to jobs at domanistudios.com.
>
> --------
> Corey Szopinski
> Director of Technology
>
> DOMANI STUDIOS
> corey at domanistudios.com
> 55 Washington St. Suite 822
> Brooklyn, NY 11201
> 718-797-4470  x116
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> Show Your Participation
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> http://www.nyphp.org
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From cweyl at alumni.drew.edu  Wed Jan 18 13:38:37 2006
From: cweyl at alumni.drew.edu (Chris Weyl)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:38:37 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <45922.38.117.147.25.1137593757.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
	<a9caffe50601180558j3bbf9cbbk180753ee2977d327@mail.gmail.com>
	<45922.38.117.147.25.1137593757.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
Message-ID: <7dd7ab490601181038x1b8db0bbg3e744199d2cb9d37@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/18/06, Kenneth Downs <ken at secdat.com> wrote:
> >
> > I guess my options are:
> >
> > - set a global variable, which has to be passed to each method
>
> By the KISS principle, this is the simplest and is also effective.
> Therefore any more complicated solution would have to be defended, no?

Not always.  For a very simple app, maybe...  but let's say you start
using a php-based library, say, something PEAR or otherwise, that also
uses a db connection (or other common object/var that needs wide
access), that also uses a global called $db, or $dbh, or $file, or... 
This kind of bug can be subtle and hard to track down, particularly if
the person maintaining the code is no longer the person who wrote it.

Also, using a singleton with a static accessor allows checks to be
implemented once.  The example functions show that you can check for a
null object in one place; implementing other checks/code in there is
also possible.

                                    -Chris


From rolan at omnistep.com  Wed Jan 18 13:52:40 2006
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:52:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paypal Pro and Shopping Carts
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060118124826.07998420@usa.com>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060118124826.07998420@usa.com>
Message-ID: <43CE8E78.8030808@omnistep.com>

The Paypal pro works with OSCommerce. You might run into some issues 
with the testing sandbox though.
It's tricky and some things aren't clearly explained in the Paypal 
documentation.

~Rolan

harvey wrote:
> Hello....
>
> ZenCart does not seem to have Paypal Pro integrated or any modules for it.
>
> OScommerce does have a Paypal Pro contribution for integrating it.
>
> Has anyone used OScommerce with Paypal Pro?
>
> Or CREloaded with PayPal Pro?
>
> Any issues with either?
>
> Thanks......
>   


From jeff.knight at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 13:59:32 2006
From: jeff.knight at gmail.com (Jeff Knight)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:59:32 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [JOB] PHP Developer
In-Reply-To: <be2628410601180957i18f16ee2rbd21ae256b2da3e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B9577F83-E271-4E20-AB4D-99E7792A80B8@domanistudios.com>
	<be2628410601180957i18f16ee2rbd21ae256b2da3e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ca9ba910601181059p2973e37dj8fe990bc3c0ed4f7@mail.gmail.com>

It is a little unnerving having two of us here, but just keep making 
positive comments and nobody will have trouble telling us apart.

On 1/18/06, Jeffrey Knight <jeffrey.knight at gmail.com> wrote:
> Nice animation on your site http://domanistudios.com !


From ken at secdat.com  Wed Jan 18 14:01:27 2006
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:01:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <7dd7ab490601181038x1b8db0bbg3e744199d2cb9d37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
	<a9caffe50601180558j3bbf9cbbk180753ee2977d327@mail.gmail.com>
	<45922.38.117.147.25.1137593757.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
	<7dd7ab490601181038x1b8db0bbg3e744199d2cb9d37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46128.38.117.147.25.1137610887.squirrel@38.117.147.25>


> On 1/18/06, Kenneth Downs <ken at secdat.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I guess my options are:
>> >
>> > - set a global variable, which has to be passed to each method
>>
>> By the KISS principle, this is the simplest and is also effective.
>> Therefore any more complicated solution would have to be defended, no?
>
> Not always.

Always.

Involving two completely different connection systems, your own and
PEAR's, is not a trivial design decision, either for you or for that
unnamed person who will code after you.   The number one mistake that
programmers make is abstracting against cases that *might* happen but
which are not on the table right now.  There is a huge difference between
a clean elegant design that is simple and *extensible* and a clunky ugly
horrible design that tries to account for everything that might ever
happen anywhere.

In any event, if you go to a two-connection system then by the KISS
principle you want to find the simplest possible solution for that
context.
Going to a two-connection system is itself rather questionable under the
KISS principle, if you are that worried about it perhaps we should use
PEAR to start off?


>  For a very simple app, maybe...  but let's say you start
> using a php-based library, say, something PEAR or otherwise, that also
> uses a db connection (or other common object/var that needs wide
> access), that also uses a global called $db, or $dbh, or $file, or...
> This kind of bug can be subtle and hard to track down, particularly if
> the person maintaining the code is no longer the person who wrote it.
>
> Also, using a singleton with a static accessor allows checks to be
> implemented once.  The example functions show that you can check for a
> null object in one place; implementing other checks/code in there is
> also possible.
>
>                                     -Chris
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> Show Your Participation
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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> http://www.nyphp.org
>


-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software
631-379-0010
ken at secdat.com
PO Box 708
East Setauket, NY 11733



From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 14:08:39 2006
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:08:39 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [JOB] PHP Developer
In-Reply-To: <2ca9ba910601181059p2973e37dj8fe990bc3c0ed4f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B9577F83-E271-4E20-AB4D-99E7792A80B8@domanistudios.com>
	<be2628410601180957i18f16ee2rbd21ae256b2da3e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ca9ba910601181059p2973e37dj8fe990bc3c0ed4f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <330532b60601181108xb8922a3od64499c104f05131@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/18/06, Jeff Knight <jeff.knight at gmail.com> wrote:
> It is a little unnerving having two of us here, but just keep making
> positive comments and nobody will have trouble telling us apart.
>
> On 1/18/06, Jeffrey Knight <jeffrey.knight at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Nice animation on your site http://domanistudios.com !

That may be true, but to keep the confusion to a minimum I recommend
we start calling you Ebenezer instead.

-- Mitch, not to be confused with the "other" Mitch LOL


From jknight at oceansuit.com  Wed Jan 18 15:08:03 2006
From: jknight at oceansuit.com (jknight at oceansuit.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:08:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [JOB] PHP Developer
In-Reply-To: <330532b60601181108xb8922a3od64499c104f05131@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B9577F83-E271-4E20-AB4D-99E7792A80B8@domanistudios.com>
	<be2628410601180957i18f16ee2rbd21ae256b2da3e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ca9ba910601181059p2973e37dj8fe990bc3c0ed4f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<330532b60601181108xb8922a3od64499c104f05131@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11728.69.38.167.2.1137614883.squirrel@oceansuit.com>


I switched email addresses -- two people with the same name is confusing
enough, both with firstName.lastName at gmail.com is too much.


> On 1/18/06, Jeff Knight <jeff.knight at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It is a little unnerving having two of us here, but just keep making
>> positive comments and nobody will have trouble telling us apart.
>>
>> On 1/18/06, Jeffrey Knight <jeffrey.knight at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Nice animation on your site http://domanistudios.com !
>
> That may be true, but to keep the confusion to a minimum I recommend
> we start calling you Ebenezer instead.
>
> -- Mitch, not to be confused with the "other" Mitch LOL
> _______________________________________________
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> Show Your Participation
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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From jeff.knight at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 14:13:39 2006
From: jeff.knight at gmail.com (Jeff Knight)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 13:13:39 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [JOB] PHP Developer
In-Reply-To: <330532b60601181108xb8922a3od64499c104f05131@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B9577F83-E271-4E20-AB4D-99E7792A80B8@domanistudios.com>
	<be2628410601180957i18f16ee2rbd21ae256b2da3e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ca9ba910601181059p2973e37dj8fe990bc3c0ed4f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<330532b60601181108xb8922a3od64499c104f05131@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ca9ba910601181113v6ffed6e2g7ee96c176a61a1e4@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/18/06, Mitch Pirtle <mitch.pirtle at gmail.com> wrote:
> That may be true, but to keep the confusion to a minimum I recommend
> we start calling you Ebenezer instead.

Bah... was thinking maybe just Jeff!, I hear adding an exclamation
point at the end really jazzes up a product.


From codebowl at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 14:19:56 2006
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:19:56 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [JOB] PHP Developer
In-Reply-To: <2ca9ba910601181113v6ffed6e2g7ee96c176a61a1e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B9577F83-E271-4E20-AB4D-99E7792A80B8@domanistudios.com>
	<be2628410601180957i18f16ee2rbd21ae256b2da3e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ca9ba910601181059p2973e37dj8fe990bc3c0ed4f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<330532b60601181108xb8922a3od64499c104f05131@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ca9ba910601181113v6ffed6e2g7ee96c176a61a1e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800601181119n2fef1680k787f8d90d6f61724@mail.gmail.com>

LOL does sex appeal really work on getting web clients?

last part of the animation is just funny ;)
--
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
1-802-671-2021
codebowl at gmail.com
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From adam at trachtenberg.com  Wed Jan 18 14:37:54 2006
From: adam at trachtenberg.com (Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:37:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paypal Pro and Shopping Carts
In-Reply-To: <43CE8E78.8030808@omnistep.com>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060118124826.07998420@usa.com>
	<43CE8E78.8030808@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0601181434240.13265@miranda.org>

I have been told that ProOSC has Paypal Pro modules for ZenCart. I
think they're calling them PayPal Express Checkout.

http://postosc.com/

My sources also say that they know of merchants using them
successfully, but I don't have any examples to share.

-adam

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Rolan Yang wrote:

> The Paypal pro works with OSCommerce. You might run into some issues
> with the testing sandbox though.
> It's tricky and some things aren't clearly explained in the Paypal
> documentation.
>
> ~Rolan
>
> harvey wrote:
> > Hello....
> >
> > ZenCart does not seem to have Paypal Pro integrated or any modules for it.
> >
> > OScommerce does have a Paypal Pro contribution for integrating it.
> >
> > Has anyone used OScommerce with Paypal Pro?
> >
> > Or CREloaded with PayPal Pro?
> >
> > Any issues with either?
> >
> > Thanks......
> >
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> Show Your Participation
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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>

-- 
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author of o'reilly's "upgrading to php 5" and "php cookbook"
avoid the holiday rush, buy your copies today!


From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Wed Jan 18 15:12:36 2006
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:12:36 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [JOB] PHP Developer
In-Reply-To: <2ca9ba910601181059p2973e37dj8fe990bc3c0ed4f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B9577F83-E271-4E20-AB4D-99E7792A80B8@domanistudios.com>	<be2628410601180957i18f16ee2rbd21ae256b2da3e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ca9ba910601181059p2973e37dj8fe990bc3c0ed4f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11643-42676@sneakemail.com>

Jeff Knight jeff.knight-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

>It is a little unnerving having two of us here, but just keep making 
>positive comments and nobody will have trouble telling us apart.
>
>On 1/18/06, Jeffrey Knight <jeffrey.knight at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Nice animation on your site http://domanistudios.com !
>>    
>>
au contrare... everytime it causes agita.... was that a real positive 
comment, or was that laced with some deep cynical sarcasm that I 
completely missed? Or... perhaps it was the *other* Jeff Knight. Doh!

What ever happened to that putamare gal anyway?


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Wed Jan 18 15:52:30 2006
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 15:52:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] command line warning "...these options need to match"
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601181546370.43229@emra.pair.com>


Anybody know what this means? When I run a php script from the command
line, I get:

PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: \uffff\uffff: Unable to initialize module
Module compiled with module API=20041030, debug=0, thread-safety=0
PHP    compiled with module API=20050922, debug=0, thread-safety=0
These options need to match
 in Unknown on line 0

...followed by the otherwise normal output of the script. My version:

PHP 5.1.1 (cli) (built: Dec 27 2005 15:28:52) Copyright (c) 1997-2005 The
PHP Group Zend Engine v2.1.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2005 Zend Technologies
    with Zend Extension Manager v1.0.9, Copyright (c) 2003-2006, by Zend
Technologies
    with Zend Optimizer v2.6.1, Copyright (c) 1998-2006, by Zend
Technologies
    with Zend Debugger v5.1.0, Copyright (c) 1999-2006, by Zend
Technologies

Would it do any good just to re-compile and re-install?

Thanks

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their
persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon
probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


From krook at us.ibm.com  Wed Jan 18 16:13:13 2006
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:13:13 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PEAR DB ODBC broken after 5.0.4 -> 5.1.1
Message-ID: <OF9CFBEC22.891AE0C7-ON852570FA.00742A94-852570FA.007490B6@us.ibm.com>

Hey folks,

A site of mine has not been able to connect to DB2 with PEAR since I 
upgraded to PHP 5.1.1 from 5.0.4.  I upgraded a similar machine with the 
same versions of all software and its DB2 connection works as expected. 
Both machines had PHP compiled with '--with-ibm-db2=/home/db2inst1/sqllib' 
and have the same ODBC settings in php.ini.

This code:
include_once('DB.php');
$db =& DB::connect('odbc://' . DB_USER . ':' . DB_PASS . '@' . DB_HOST . 
'/' . DB_NAME);
if (DB::isError($db)) die($db->toString()); 

Returns:
[db_error: message="DB Error: connect failed" code=-24 mode=return 
level=notice prefix="" info=" [nativecode=?????~ \%?A?.] ** 
odbc://username:password at 127.0.0.1/database"]

The database server is up, and I can connect to it on the command line and 
select rows.  I've also tried setting the port number explicitly.

Here's the output of print_r($db), though it's not giving me anything more 
detailed than "DB Error: connect failed"
http://krook.org/etc/print_r.txt

Even more interesting, if I refresh the page a few times, the load average 
steadily increases and the processor is eventually consumed by httpd 
processes to the point where I have to restart Apache.

Any thoughts on where I might be going wrong?


Thanks in advance,
-Dan




Daniel Krook, Content Tools Developer
Global Production Services - Tools, ibm.com

http://bluepages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
http://blogpages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
http://bookmarks.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/




From tgales at tgaconnect.com  Wed Jan 18 16:32:56 2006
From: tgales at tgaconnect.com (Tim Gales)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:32:56 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] command line warning "...these options need to
	match"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601181546370.43229@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601181546370.43229@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <43CEB408.8010802@tgaconnect.com>

David Mintz wrote:
> Anybody know what this means? When I run a php script from the command
> line, I get:
> 
> PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: \uffff\uffff: Unable to initialize module
> Module compiled with module API=20041030, debug=0, thread-safety=0
> PHP    compiled with module API=20050922, debug=0, thread-safety=0
> These options need to match
>  in Unknown on line 0
> 
> ...followed by the otherwise normal output of the script. 
...
> 
> Would it do any good just to re-compile and re-install?

If you don't have any problems (in the error_log ) when
using PHP as a module, then maybe you're using different
ini files.

also try:

php -v
php5 -v


-- 
T. Gales & Associates
'Helping People Connect with Technology'

http://www.tgaconnect.com


From hendler at simmons.edu  Wed Jan 18 16:36:20 2006
From: hendler at simmons.edu (Jonathan)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:36:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] command line warning "...these options need to
	match"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601181546370.43229@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601181546370.43229@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <43CEB4D4.4050307@simmons.edu>

I get these errors when I compile from C into a .so extension from 
different versions of PHP.
It might not be your php script causing the error - but a shared object 
you are loading (or ADODB c library for example) through a dl() function 
or in the .ini.
\uffff I don't know what that is- hex for nothing?
Anyway , thats a php 5 warning message - and some extension being loaded 
is from php4.

Hope that helps.

- Jonathan Hendler

David Mintz wrote:

>Anybody know what this means? When I run a php script from the command
>line, I get:
>
>PHP Warning:  PHP Startup: \uffff\uffff: Unable to initialize module
>Module compiled with module API=20041030, debug=0, thread-safety=0
>PHP    compiled with module API=20050922, debug=0, thread-safety=0
>These options need to match
> in Unknown on line 0
>
>...followed by the otherwise normal output of the script. My version:
>
>PHP 5.1.1 (cli) (built: Dec 27 2005 15:28:52) Copyright (c) 1997-2005 The
>PHP Group Zend Engine v2.1.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2005 Zend Technologies
>    with Zend Extension Manager v1.0.9, Copyright (c) 2003-2006, by Zend
>Technologies
>    with Zend Optimizer v2.6.1, Copyright (c) 1998-2006, by Zend
>Technologies
>    with Zend Debugger v5.1.0, Copyright (c) 1999-2006, by Zend
>Technologies
>
>Would it do any good just to re-compile and re-install?
>
>Thanks
>
>---
>David Mintz
>http://davidmintz.org/
>
>Amendment IV
>
>The right of the people to be secure in their
>persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
>unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
>violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon
>probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
>and particularly describing the place to be
>searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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From list at harveyk.com  Wed Jan 18 17:24:42 2006
From: list at harveyk.com (harvey)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:24:42 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paypal Pro and Shopping Carts
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0601181434240.13265@miranda.org>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060118124826.07998420@usa.com>
	<43CE8E78.8030808@omnistep.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0601181434240.13265@miranda.org>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20060118170007.079dc9f8@harveyk.com>

Seems like Paypal Express Checkout is somewhere in between the 
'normal' Paypal (where you leave the shopping site and go to Paypal 
for payment) and Pro (where everything happens on the shopping site). 
http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_help-ext&eloc=2226&loc=2193&unique_id=790089&source_page=_home&flow=

BUT, I did some more scrounging around and found this: 
http://zenatdesign.com/payment/index.php

Seems like they make a bunch of Paypal Pro plugins...





At 02:37 PM 1/18/2006, Adam Maccabee Trachtenberg wrote:

>I have been told that ProOSC has Paypal Pro modules for ZenCart. I
>think they're calling them PayPal Express Checkout.
>
>http://postosc.com/
>
>My sources also say that they know of merchants using them
>successfully, but I don't have any examples to share.
>
>-adam
>
>On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Rolan Yang wrote:
>
> > The Paypal pro works with OSCommerce. You might run into some issues
> > with the testing sandbox though.
> > It's tricky and some things aren't clearly explained in the Paypal
> > documentation.
> >
> > ~Rolan
> >
> > harvey wrote:
> > > Hello....
> > >
> > > ZenCart does not seem to have Paypal Pro integrated or any 
> modules for it.
> > >
> > > OScommerce does have a Paypal Pro contribution for integrating it.
> > >
> > > Has anyone used OScommerce with Paypal Pro?
> > >
> > > Or CREloaded with PayPal Pro?
> > >
> > > Any issues with either?
> > >
> > > Thanks......
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
>--
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>author of o'reilly's "upgrading to php 5" and "php cookbook"
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From rolan at omnistep.com  Wed Jan 18 17:59:00 2006
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:59:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Paypal Pro and Shopping Carts
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20060118170007.079dc9f8@harveyk.com>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20060118124826.07998420@usa.com>	<43CE8E78.8030808@omnistep.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0601181434240.13265@miranda.org>
	<7.0.0.16.2.20060118170007.079dc9f8@harveyk.com>
Message-ID: <43CEC834.8030504@omnistep.com>

That's interesting. He's charging $39.95 for the OScommerce module. 
There are 2 free modules for Paypal website payments pro in the 
"contributions" section of oscommerce.com

~Rolan

harvey wrote:
> Seems like Paypal Express Checkout is somewhere in between the 
> 'normal' Paypal (where you leave the shopping site and go to Paypal 
> for payment) and Pro (where everything happens on the shopping site). 
> http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_help-ext&eloc=2226&loc=2193&unique_id=790089&source_page=_home&flow=
>
> BUT, I did some more scrounging around and found this: 
> http://zenatdesign.com/payment/index.php
>
> Seems like they make a bunch of Paypal Pro plugins...
>
>   
>   


From mikko.rantalainen at peda.net  Thu Jan 19 09:17:49 2006
From: mikko.rantalainen at peda.net (Mikko Rantalainen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:17:49 +0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <a9caffe50601180558j3bbf9cbbk180753ee2977d327@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>	<20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
	<a9caffe50601180558j3bbf9cbbk180753ee2977d327@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43CF9F8D.7030109@peda.net>

Randal Rust wrote:
> [...] I
> was writing....
> 
> $this->db->conn->Execute($sql)
> $this->db->connErrorMsg()
> 
> Instantiating the DB outside of the class, and then passing it as an
> argument allowed me to shorten things to...
> 
> $db->Execute($sql)
> $db->ErrorMsg()

Why not just do
$db =& $this->db->conn;
and then just proceed with the above? It's pretty close to the total 
length of adding $db as an function argument if you consider that 
caller must also type the code to pass the DB handle.

After saying that, yes, the singleton pattern sounds like a valid 
alternative.

-- 
Mikko


From mikko.rantalainen at peda.net  Thu Jan 19 09:21:36 2006
From: mikko.rantalainen at peda.net (Mikko Rantalainen)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 16:21:36 +0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Accessing a method from one class in another
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601171550430.41336@emra.pair.com>
References: <a9caffe50601140948u24841996y20bb32aaa0788373@mail.gmail.com>	<20060114230436.GA6891@panix.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0601171550430.41336@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <43CFA070.8080509@peda.net>

David Mintz wrote:
> If you're using PHP 5, one nice thing about the good old singleton is you
> can get your instance from any scope.
> 
> $db = MyDatabaseClass::getInstance() ;
> 
> //// from MyDatabaseClass
> 
> private static $instance = null;
> 
> public static function getInstance() {
> 
>     if (is_null(self::$instance)) {
> 	// this uses PEAR and relies on an __autoload
>         self::$instance = DB::connect("$driver://$user:$password@$host/$db");
> 	if (DB::isError(self::$instance)){
>             trigger_error('could not connect to database',E_USER_ERROR);
> 	}
> 	self::$instance->setFetchMode(DB_FETCHMODE_ASSOC);
> 	// et cetera
>     }
>     return self::$instance;
> }

If you only have PHP4, you can still do something like this

//// from MyDatabaseClass

function &getInstance()
{
     static $instance = 0;
     if (!$instance) {
	// this uses PEAR and relies on an __autoload
         $instance = DB::connect("$driver://$user:$password@$host/$db");
	if (DB::isError($instance)){
             trigger_error('could not connect to 
database',E_USER_ERROR);
	}
	$instance->setFetchMode(DB_FETCHMODE_ASSOC);
	// et cetera
     }
     return $instance;
}

(the above is untested but should work, you might need to adjust the 
code that connects to database).

-- 
Mikko


From cliff at pinestream.com  Thu Jan 19 11:11:06 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:11:06 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fault tolerant server architecture
Message-ID: <004a01c61d12$f466c330$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

Ok, so this may be a bit off topic, but I am trying to determine a cost
effective architecture for a classic PHP/MySQL site that is fault
tolerant and can scale-out if needed.
 
At one extreme I view the minimum configuration as a simple dedicated
server.
 
But being a bit paranoid, at the other extreme, I have been getting
quotes for a configuration that uses a Firewall, load balancer, two web
servers, and two database servers (one master, one slave for backups).
Of course with additional backups (local & offsite), RAID, hot swap
power supplies, etc. I skipped the armed guards, tasers, and off planet
options. And so far, I am ignoring the people that are telling me that
if I want to be really serious, I should use Oracle, not MySQL.
 
If I could stick this in my basement, the price wouldn't even be so bad.
But that's not realistic. With a managed service provider, the charge is
thousands per month. With co-location -- don't know. Haven't priced it
and then I need a sysadmin anyway. Co-lo isn't cheap either.
 
I would be funding this out of my own pocket. Am I nuts? What are other
people doing to ensure availability at a reasonable price point?
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From edwardpotter at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 11:30:14 2006
From: edwardpotter at gmail.com (edward potter)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:30:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fault tolerant server architecture
In-Reply-To: <004a01c61d12$f466c330$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
References: <004a01c61d12$f466c330$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <c5949a380601190830q418362bo826ef29fc4d52fe6@mail.gmail.com>

hmmm,  wow, i can do it all for you for 25G a month.  (off course I'd
just put it all on dreamhost for $9.95 a month) and U would never
know!   :-)

ummmm, doesn't google use MySQL INSTEAD of Oracle for all their Ad
serving, that's what I heard, and how much bigger can u get then
google?

We're reaching the point where bandwidth is going to zero $ and
software is going to zero $ and phone calls are just about zero $. 
Yipes, lets hope us coders don't go to zero $/hr too __  as the boss
moves a robot into my cubicle!

In the words of Mark Cuban, who is a billionaire WHO GETS it (great
blog by the way):  "Anyone with $500 bucks and a $10 server can take
on google".  And he has an amazing track record!

http://www.blogmaverick.com



:-)  -ed

On 1/19/06, Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:
>
> Ok, so this may be a bit off topic, but I am trying to determine a cost
> effective architecture for a classic PHP/MySQL site that is fault tolerant
> and can scale-out if needed.
>
> At one extreme I view the minimum configuration as a simple dedicated
> server.
>
> But being a bit paranoid, at the other extreme, I have been getting quotes
> for a configuration that uses a Firewall, load balancer, two web servers,
> and two database servers (one master, one slave for backups). Of course with
> additional backups (local & offsite), RAID, hot swap power supplies, etc. I
> skipped the armed guards, tasers, and off planet options. And so far, I am
> ignoring the people that are telling me that if I want to be really serious,
> I should use Oracle, not MySQL.
>
> If I could stick this in my basement, the price wouldn't even be so bad. But
> that's not realistic. With a managed service provider, the charge is
> thousands per month. With co-location -- don't know. Haven't priced it and
> then I need a sysadmin anyway. Co-lo isn't cheap either.
>
> I would be funding this out of my own pocket. Am I nuts? What are other
> people doing to ensure availability at a reasonable price point?
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> Show Your Participation
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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> http://www.nyphp.org
>
>
>


From cliff at pinestream.com  Thu Jan 19 11:38:04 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:38:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fault tolerant server architecture
In-Reply-To: <c5949a380601190830q418362bo826ef29fc4d52fe6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005a01c61d16$b8bfa050$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

Yeah, it's mainly the Wall Street camp that seems to be wedded to
Oracle. But if you can get a 1-2% management fee, why not? You have to
show something for underperforming the market.

But servers do crash. Disk drives do die. Power supplies do go poof.

-----Original Message-----
hmmm,  wow, i can do it all for you for 25G a month.  (off course I'd
just put it all on dreamhost for $9.95 a month) and U would never
know!   :-)

ummmm, doesn't google use MySQL INSTEAD of Oracle for all their Ad
serving, that's what I heard, and how much bigger can u get then google?

We're reaching the point where bandwidth is going to zero $ and software
is going to zero $ and phone calls are just about zero $. 
Yipes, lets hope us coders don't go to zero $/hr too __  as the boss
moves a robot into my cubicle!

In the words of Mark Cuban, who is a billionaire WHO GETS it (great blog
by the way):  "Anyone with $500 bucks and a $10 server can take on
google".  And he has an amazing track record!

http://www.blogmaverick.com



From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Thu Jan 19 11:40:04 2006
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 11:40:04 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fault tolerant server architecture
In-Reply-To: <004a01c61d12$f466c330$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
References: <004a01c61d12$f466c330$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <4914CD7D-F603-4157-AC26-92BCBC1305F4@jonbaer.com>

Ahhhh yes, I wish there was an AA for people who were victims of the  
"if you are serious you need to use Oracle" trap.  :-)

On Jan 19, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Cliff Hirsch wrote:

> Ok, so this may be a bit off topic, but I am trying to determine a  
> cost
> effective architecture for a classic PHP/MySQL site that is fault
> tolerant and can scale-out if needed.
>
> At one extreme I view the minimum configuration as a simple dedicated
> server.
>
> But being a bit paranoid, at the other extreme, I have been getting
> quotes for a configuration that uses a Firewall, load balancer, two  
> web
> servers, and two database servers (one master, one slave for backups).
> Of course with additional backups (local & offsite), RAID, hot swap
> power supplies, etc. I skipped the armed guards, tasers, and off  
> planet
> options. And so far, I am ignoring the people that are telling me that
> if I want to be really serious, I should use Oracle, not MySQL.
>
> If I could stick this in my basement, the price wouldn't even be so  
> bad.
> But that's not realistic. With a managed service provider, the  
> charge is
> thousands per month. With co-location -- don't know. Haven't priced it
> and then I need a sysadmin anyway. Co-lo isn't cheap either.
>
> I would be funding this out of my own pocket. Am I nuts? What are  
> other
> people doing to ensure availability at a reasonable price point?
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> Show Your Participation
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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From corey at domanistudios.com  Thu Jan 19 12:01:01 2006
From: corey at domanistudios.com (Corey Szopinski)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:01:01 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fault tolerant server architecture
In-Reply-To: <004a01c61d12$f466c330$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
References: <004a01c61d12$f466c330$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <5FA87BFC-C95F-4EC0-86E2-F014E1FFE901@domanistudios.com>

If I were you, I'd start out with a virtual root system with a  
hosting company that can scale you up quickly (within days), to  
bigger and better hardware.  I've had my eye on these guys for a  
while: http://www.linode.com/ although mediatemple.net (and nearly  
everyone else for that matter) is offering VPS.

At least with this option you can get your idea up and running, even  
paying for multiple vps accounts and running them as distributed  
servers, or database master/slave machines, or reverse proxy servers,  
etc.. and not kill yourself with financing it all.

MySQL vs Oracle: MySQL is highly tuned for selects and using the  
SQL_CACHE directive is a cheap and easy way to really boost the  
performance of any app. Oracle is a pig that's simply not necessary  
for 90% of websites.

-corey



On Jan 19, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Cliff Hirsch wrote:

> Ok, so this may be a bit off topic, but I am trying to determine a  
> cost effective architecture for a classic PHP/MySQL site that is  
> fault tolerant and can scale-out if needed.
>
> At one extreme I view the minimum configuration as a simple  
> dedicated server.
>
> But being a bit paranoid, at the other extreme, I have been getting  
> quotes for a configuration that uses a Firewall, load balancer, two  
> web servers, and two database servers (one master, one slave for  
> backups). Of course with additional backups (local & offsite),  
> RAID, hot swap power supplies, etc. I skipped the armed guards,  
> tasers, and off planet options. And so far, I am ignoring the  
> people that are telling me that if I want to be really serious, I  
> should use Oracle, not MySQL.
>
> If I could stick this in my basement, the price wouldn't even be so  
> bad. But that's not realistic. With a managed service provider, the  
> charge is thousands per month. With co-location -- don't know.  
> Haven't priced it and then I need a sysadmin anyway. Co-lo isn't  
> cheap either.
>
> I would be funding this out of my own pocket. Am I nuts? What are  
> other people doing to ensure availability at a reasonable price point?

Corey Szopinski
Director of Technology

DOMANI STUDIOS
corey at domanistudios.com
55 Washington St. Suite 822
Brooklyn, NY 11201
718-797-4470  x116




From cliff at pinestream.com  Thu Jan 19 12:09:48 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:09:48 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fault tolerant server architecture
In-Reply-To: <5FA87BFC-C95F-4EC0-86E2-F014E1FFE901@domanistudios.com>
Message-ID: <007201c61d1b$27894d70$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

Interesting. I wonder how secure VPS is. Does it truly eliminate the
problems related to share hosting, like session access, etc.? And
interesting that they use RAID 1, not RAID 5.

-----Original Message-----
If I were you, I'd start out with a virtual root system with a  
hosting company that can scale you up quickly (within days), to  
bigger and better hardware.  I've had my eye on these guys for a  
while: http://www.linode.com/ although mediatemple.net (and nearly  
everyone else for that matter) is offering VPS.

At least with this option you can get your idea up and running, even  
paying for multiple vps accounts and running them as distributed  
servers, or database master/slave machines, or reverse proxy servers,  
etc.. and not kill yourself with financing it all.



From corey at domanistudios.com  Thu Jan 19 12:16:54 2006
From: corey at domanistudios.com (Corey Szopinski)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:16:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fault tolerant server architecture
In-Reply-To: <007201c61d1b$27894d70$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
References: <007201c61d1b$27894d70$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <76807C46-C482-43C9-8E5C-85AD71E6C200@domanistudios.com>

Well, I assume everything is completely isolated, running in a  
virtualized program space. Here's what the User-mode Linux project  
page says:

> User-Mode Linux is a safe, secure way of running Linux versions and  
> Linux processes. Run buggy software, experiment with new Linux  
> kernels or distributions, and poke around in the internals of  
> Linux, all without risking your main Linux setup.
> User-Mode Linux gives you a virtual machine that may have more  
> hardware and software virtual resources than your actual, physical  
> computer. Disk storage for the virtual machine is entirely  
> contained inside a single file on your physical machine. You can  
> assign your virtual machine only the hardware access you want it to  
> have. With properly limited access, nothing you do on the virtual  
> machine can change or damage your real computer, or its software.

-corey


On Jan 19, 2006, at 12:09 PM, Cliff Hirsch wrote:

> Interesting. I wonder how secure VPS is. Does it truly eliminate the
> problems related to share hosting, like session access, etc.? And
> interesting that they use RAID 1, not RAID 5.

Corey Szopinski
Director of Technology

DOMANI STUDIOS
corey at domanistudios.com
55 Washington St. Suite 822
Brooklyn, NY 11201
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From hendler at simmons.edu  Thu Jan 19 12:53:53 2006
From: hendler at simmons.edu (Jonathan)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 12:53:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fault tolerant server architecture
In-Reply-To: <007201c61d1b$27894d70$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
References: <007201c61d1b$27894d70$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <43CFD231.5040401@simmons.edu>

I use a VPS with rackforce.com.
I have about 20 domains running. It's great in theory, and you can 
easily migrate to real hardware if needed.
It is slower than shared hosting I've found though. CPU cycles are 
shared, and if you've ever run 4 or 5 OSs in Virtual PC or VMWare you 
know it gets kinda slow.
Otherwise I'd recommend it. Obviously there's tape backups, and I do 
rsync/scp/tar to a local machine once every couple of days.

Cliff Hirsch wrote:

>Interesting. I wonder how secure VPS is. Does it truly eliminate the
>problems related to share hosting, like session access, etc.? And
>interesting that they use RAID 1, not RAID 5.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>If I were you, I'd start out with a virtual root system with a  
>hosting company that can scale you up quickly (within days), to  
>bigger and better hardware.  I've had my eye on these guys for a  
>while: http://www.linode.com/ although mediatemple.net (and nearly  
>everyone else for that matter) is offering VPS.
>
>At least with this option you can get your idea up and running, even  
>paying for multiple vps accounts and running them as distributed  
>servers, or database master/slave machines, or reverse proxy servers,  
>etc.. and not kill yourself with financing it all.
>
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From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Thu Jan 19 22:14:57 2006
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 22:14:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fault tolerant server architecture
In-Reply-To: <004a01c61d12$f466c330$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
References: <004a01c61d12$f466c330$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <330532b60601191914q210f5512r54652201fec6c51a@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/19/06, Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:
> If I could stick this in my basement, the price wouldn't even be so bad. But
> that's not realistic. With a managed service provider, the charge is
> thousands per month. With co-location -- don't know. Haven't priced it and
> then I need a sysadmin anyway. Co-lo isn't cheap either.

Depends, you can get a 10MB burstable circuit and a 1/2 rack for
around $1,000 monthly. And hardware is cheap, so you could start on
one box, and when business picks up add more - as the bank account
expands, so does the rack ;-)

--
Mitch Pirtle
Joomla! Core Developer
Open Source Matters


From tedd at sperling.com  Fri Jan 20 00:44:14 2006
From: tedd at sperling.com (tedd)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 00:44:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fault tolerant server architecture
In-Reply-To: <330532b60601191914q210f5512r54652201fec6c51a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004a01c61d12$f466c330$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
	<330532b60601191914q210f5512r54652201fec6c51a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06230900bff628fe67d1@[192.168.0.100]>

>  as the bank account expands, so does the rack ;-)
>
>--
>Mitch Pirtle

You talking about women?  :-)

tedd
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From rajlist at rajshekhar.net  Fri Jan 20 03:00:35 2006
From: rajlist at rajshekhar.net (Raj shekhar)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 13:30:35 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fault tolerant server architecture
In-Reply-To: <004a01c61d12$f466c330$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
References: <004a01c61d12$f466c330$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <43D098A3.6070203@rajshekhar.net>

in infinite wisdom Cliff Hirsch spoke thus on 01/19/06 21:41:
> Ok, so this may be a bit off topic, but I am trying to determine a cost 
> effective architecture for a classic PHP/MySQL site that is fault 
> tolerant and can scale-out if needed.

For scaling tips, check he presentations by Michael J. Radwin 
http://public.yahoo.com/~radwin/

Fault tolerance can be achieved using commodity hardware and free (as in 
speech) software. Some tips
- set up replication for your mysql databases
- load balance your reads between your db master and slave
- store your session data in a database (so that if one machine fails, 
the other can take over -- see my point above about replication)
- work out a failover strategy and test it rigorously. Don't depend on 
DNS magic for failover.

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From ajai at bitblit.net  Fri Jan 20 17:43:59 2006
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 17:43:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fault tolerant server architecture
In-Reply-To: <330532b60601191914q210f5512r54652201fec6c51a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004a01c61d12$f466c330$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
	<330532b60601191914q210f5512r54652201fec6c51a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43D167AF.6050400@bitblit.net>

Mitch Pirtle wrote:

>
>Depends, you can get a 10MB burstable circuit and a 1/2 rack for
>around $1,000 monthly. And hardware is cheap, so you could start on
>one box, and when business picks up add more - as the bank account
>expands, so does the rack ;-)
>

You can get "third of a rack" deals too - we have a bunch of servers 
over at Verio for less than $1000 monthly.

But to start, the best thing to do is get a dedicated box for $99 from a 
colo provider - you can always get a another box (or more) reasonably 
cheaply but after a certain point it will become cheaper to buy your own 
hardware and fractional rack...





From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri Jan 20 18:58:50 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 18:58:50 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fault tolerant server architecture
In-Reply-To: <43D167AF.6050400@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <001001c61e1d$75edc740$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

>You can get "third of a rack" deals too - we have a bunch of servers 
>over at Verio for less than $1000 monthly.

Any suggestions for the Boston area?

>But to start, the best thing to do is get a dedicated box for $99 from
a 
>colo provider - you can always get a another box (or more) reasonably 
>cheaply but after a certain point it will become cheaper to buy your
own 
>hardware and fractional rack...

That's the conclusion I'm coming too. And I have received many fine
suggestions for dedicated servers in the low few hundred dollar price
range. There's fault tolerant and then there's overkill. Sure, if I were
the federal reserve...but I'm not. More like showstringbudget.com



From lists at zaunere.com  Sat Jan 21 02:58:38 2006
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 02:58:38 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Fault tolerant server architecture
In-Reply-To: <004a01c61d12$f466c330$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <004f01c61e60$7dba1a80$6501a8c0@MZ>



Cliff Hirsch wrote on Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:11 AM:
> Ok, so this may be a bit off topic, but I am trying to determine a cost
> effective architecture for a classic PHP/MySQL site that is fault
> tolerant and can scale-out if needed.

You and the rest of the known universe :)

> At one extreme I view the minimum configuration as a simple dedicated
> server.

A dedicated server is a single point of failure, and thus not fault
tolerant.  A double failure (meaning two distinct system-layers fail) is
generally acceptable, even in the most restrictive circumstances.

> But being a bit paranoid, at the other extreme, I have been getting
> quotes for a configuration that uses a Firewall, load balancer, two web
> servers, and two database servers (one master, one slave for backups). Of
> course with additional backups (local & offsite), RAID, hot swap power
> supplies, etc. I skipped the armed guards, tasers, and off planet
> options. And so far, I am ignoring the people that are telling me that if
> I want to be really serious, I should use Oracle, not MySQL.

Well, that's not that far off.  For real fault-tolerance, duplicity is a
must.  This means redundant servers, network routes, and frankly geographic
locations with route awareness.  Fault tolerance (or paranoia) can be quite
high, and expensive.

In terms of the database to use, that's an always interesting discussion.
Depending on the level of fault tolerance you're trying to achieve, it comes
down more to physical concerns, rather than software related, or logical,
ones.  That said, some software can more robustly handle failures in various
layers than others.

> If I could stick this in my basement, the price wouldn't even be so bad.
> But that's not realistic. With a managed service provider, the charge is
> thousands per month. With co-location -- don't know. Haven't priced it
> and then I need a sysadmin anyway. Co-lo isn't cheap either.   
> 
> I would be funding this out of my own pocket. Am I nuts? What are other

Yeah...

> people doing to ensure availability at a reasonable price point?

It's all about the nines, as in five-nines (99.999%).  Depending on the
client, you need to establish a service level agreement that dictates the
availability requirements.

About the nines:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_the_Nines

I've recently completed an engagement with a US military branch, and long
story short, availability is obviously a concern.  At the end of the day,
fault tolerance, and thus the ability to be highly available, comes down to
the combination of multiple layers, ie, software, architecture,
infrastructure, and physical location.  That combination equates to the
number of nines you're willing to commit to, and thus the cost.

So what's a reasonable price point?  Well, for the average eCom site, it
means a backed-up dedicated server that can survive even a total hardware
failure of the server itself.  In the average co-lo environment, this
equates to two or three nines, meaning that you can have the service
restored within 24 hours, and without considerable loss of persistent data.


---
Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP
   www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com




From chsnyder at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 11:13:17 2006
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:13:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] An Email Architecture Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <20060113192735.GZ26280@desario.homelinux.net>
References: <40687.38.117.147.25.1137179887.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
	<20060113192735.GZ26280@desario.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <b76252690601210813s485f7728g320399bf4ea88876@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/13/06, Andrew Yochum <andrew at plexpod.com> wrote:

> Configure your SMTP server or procmail to filter all email through a PHP
> script.  Parse, munge (like adding a tracking number to the subject),
> store it in your DB & pass it through to the recipient.  This is much
> the same way many spam filters and email-based help desk apps work...
> and CLEW.
>
> HTH,
> Andrew

Sorry to jump in so late on this, had my head down this week.

I like this approach because it adds a header which can be used by the
recipient of the email to verify that it was assigned to the proper
job. You could also add a footer to "unassigned" messages, to include
a link to the assignment interface.

For efficiency's sake, I might opt for a different system, using an
IMAP mailbox so that the messages could queue under heavy load without
affecting the timely delivery of mail. Your PHP app would simply read
its inbox every so often, process any new messages, and either delete
them or move them to one or more folders within the mailbox based on
how they are assigned (or not assigned).

There is a nice tradeoff here which can help you decide: pass-through
SMTP has fewer moving parts, whereas IMAP queueing has fault tolerance
and a built-in message store.

--
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/

From chsnyder at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 11:16:11 2006
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:16:11 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [JOB] PHP Developer
In-Reply-To: <11643-42676@sneakemail.com>
References: <B9577F83-E271-4E20-AB4D-99E7792A80B8@domanistudios.com>
	<be2628410601180957i18f16ee2rbd21ae256b2da3e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ca9ba910601181059p2973e37dj8fe990bc3c0ed4f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<11643-42676@sneakemail.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690601210816x368a2d9dh62b10e95b35bdc1e@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/18/06, inforequest <1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com> wrote:
> Jeff Knight jeff.knight-at-gmail.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:
>
> >It is a little unnerving having two of us here, but just keep making
> >positive comments and nobody will have trouble telling us apart.
> >
> >On 1/18/06, Jeffrey Knight <jeffrey.knight at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Nice animation on your site http://domanistudios.com !
> >>
> >>
> au contrare... everytime it causes agita.... was that a real positive
> comment, or was that laced with some deep cynical sarcasm that I
> completely missed? Or... perhaps it was the *other* Jeff Knight. Doh!
>
> What ever happened to that putamare gal anyway?
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Yeah, I vote for putamare at comprehensivity.com... talk about brand synergy!

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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Sat Jan 21 12:31:02 2006
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:31:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL 5.1 Extractvalue() and PEAR XML_Serializer
Message-ID: <b76252690601210931m4831fdccm954977ce2f0695e5@mail.gmail.com>

Jon Baer wrote in a couple weeks ago with news that MySQL 5.1 will
support extraction of values from XML fields using XPATH.
http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/mysql-5.1-xml.html

That led me to think about ways in which this might be useful to PHP developers.

Which in turn led me to XML_Serializer (and unserializer) at
http://pear.php.net/package/XML_Serializer

Hmmm, select and update serialized php object properties in the database...

SELECT * FROM object WHERE extractvalue( object.xml, 
'/object/color/hue/blue' ) > 64;

SELECT extractvalue( UpdateXML( object.xml,
'/object/icon/href[self::text() = '/icons/xml.gif']'
,'<href>/icons/xml.png</href>' ),''/object/icon/href' ) FROM object;

Can't wait to try it.


--
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/

From fields at hedge.net  Sat Jan 21 12:43:38 2006
From: fields at hedge.net (Adam Fields)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:43:38 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL 5.1 Extractvalue() and PEAR XML_Serializer
In-Reply-To: <b76252690601210931m4831fdccm954977ce2f0695e5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b76252690601210931m4831fdccm954977ce2f0695e5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060121174338.GC2514@lola.aquick.org>

On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 12:31:02PM -0500, csnyder wrote:
> Jon Baer wrote in a couple weeks ago with news that MySQL 5.1 will
> support extraction of values from XML fields using XPATH.
> http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/mysql-5.1-xml.html
> 
> That led me to think about ways in which this might be useful to PHP developers.
> 
> Which in turn led me to XML_Serializer (and unserializer) at
> http://pear.php.net/package/XML_Serializer
> 
> Hmmm, select and update serialized php object properties in the database...
> 
> SELECT * FROM object WHERE extractvalue( object.xml, 
> '/object/color/hue/blue' ) > 64;
> 
> SELECT extractvalue( UpdateXML( object.xml,
> '/object/icon/href[self::text() = '/icons/xml.gif']'
> ,'<href>/icons/xml.png</href>' ),''/object/icon/href' ) FROM object;
> 
> Can't wait to try it.

"Wait" is probably the correct word.

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From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Sat Jan 21 16:49:16 2006
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:49:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] MySQL 5.1 Extractvalue() and PEAR XML_Serializer
In-Reply-To: <20060121174338.GC2514@lola.aquick.org>
References: <b76252690601210931m4831fdccm954977ce2f0695e5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060121174338.GC2514@lola.aquick.org>
Message-ID: <798D4191-0805-4D07-BEDC-ECDE2A506303@jonbaer.com>

Just a small quick note if you are trying it out (5.1.5 is out  
now) ... it seems that the only way to delete matching rows is a  
subselect, im not sure if this is the "official" way, does anyone know?

delete from t where (select extractvalue(xml,'//foo') = 'bar');

- Jon

On Jan 21, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Adam Fields wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 12:31:02PM -0500, csnyder wrote:
>> Jon Baer wrote in a couple weeks ago with news that MySQL 5.1 will
>> support extraction of values from XML fields using XPATH.
>> http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/mysql-5.1-xml.html
>>
>> That led me to think about ways in which this might be useful to  
>> PHP developers.
>>
>> Which in turn led me to XML_Serializer (and unserializer) at
>> http://pear.php.net/package/XML_Serializer
>>
>> Hmmm, select and update serialized php object properties in the  
>> database...
>>
>> SELECT * FROM object WHERE extractvalue( object.xml,
>> '/object/color/hue/blue' ) > 64;
>>
>> SELECT extractvalue( UpdateXML( object.xml,
>> '/object/icon/href[self::text() = '/icons/xml.gif']'
>> ,'<href>/icons/xml.png</href>' ),''/object/icon/href' ) FROM object;
>>
>> Can't wait to try it.
>
> "Wait" is probably the correct word.
>
> -- 
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>
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From edwardpotter at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 07:22:03 2006
From: edwardpotter at gmail.com (edward potter)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 07:22:03 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More confused now then before by PHP security!
Message-ID: <c5949a380601220422t20fd04a3g6eea4a059247ac11@mail.gmail.com>

Based on this article, how do you write secure PHP code, the author
seems to claim that there is no 100% way?  A bit confusing. What can I
do to totally prevent an sql hack attack?

http://shiflett.org/archive/184
The addslashes() Versus mysql_real_escape_string() Debate


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Sun Jan 22 08:32:15 2006
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:32:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More confused now then before by PHP security!
In-Reply-To: <c5949a380601220422t20fd04a3g6eea4a059247ac11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c5949a380601220422t20fd04a3g6eea4a059247ac11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43D3895F.8000808@phpwerx.net>

IMHO Chris wasn't as explicit as he could have been with regards to the 
conclusion of the article, but basically the point is something like this:

When constructing SQL, any input should be properly escaped taking into 
account the character set of the connection.  The 
mysql_real_escape_string() function is designed to do exactly this.  If 
you do not take this into account you are vulnerable to hacks of the 
type described in the article.

If you are using a database abstraction layer such as PEAR::DB or adodb 
you also have the option of using their variable binding in your 
queries, which will perform this transparently.

In this case the query would look something like:

$sql = 'SELECT *
         FROM   users
         WHERE  username = ?
         AND    password = ?';

$args = array(
     $mysql['username'],
     $mysql['password'],
);

$result = $db->query($sql,$args);

This is the method I usually use as it clearly separates the data from 
the query and makes it almost impossible to miss quoting something, 
making your code simpler and more secure at the expense of a little 
overhead.

There are quite a few other arguments against using addslashes, some of 
which are outlined in the phundamentals article here:

http://www.nyphp.org/phundamentals/storingretrieving.php

Dan

edward potter wrote:
> Based on this article, how do you write secure PHP code, the author
> seems to claim that there is no 100% way?  A bit confusing. What can I
> do to totally prevent an sql hack attack?
> 
> http://shiflett.org/archive/184
> The addslashes() Versus mysql_real_escape_string() Debate


From cliff at pinestream.com  Sun Jan 22 09:18:14 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (cliff)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 09:18:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More confused now then before by PHP security!
In-Reply-To: <43D3895F.8000808@phpwerx.net>
References: <c5949a380601220422t20fd04a3g6eea4a059247ac11@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D3895F.8000808@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <20060122141814.M45434@pinestream.com>

Yes, the article should have ended with:

NEVER USE addslashes
USE mysql_real_escape_string() (or prepared statements as suggested by 
others)
PERIOD

I'd like to take this opportunity to make a commercial announcement. Yhe 
message you are about to hear...

If you're like me, you have probably digested Chris' presentations, 
articles, etc. All great info and probably the single best source for PHP 
security.

I just read two PHP books: one terrible 400+ page useless beast and Chris' 
concise security book, which is truly excellent. Although you can probably 
find most of its contents scattered throughout his various presentations, 
having the book as one easy to grab source is really worthwhile. My 
shameless plug -- hat's off Chris...

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 08:32:15 -0500, Dan Cech wrote
> IMHO Chris wasn't as explicit as he could have been with regards to 
> the conclusion of the article, but basically the point is something 
> like this:


From shiflett at php.net  Sun Jan 22 10:23:32 2006
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 10:23:32 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More confused now then before by PHP security!
In-Reply-To: <c5949a380601220422t20fd04a3g6eea4a059247ac11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c5949a380601220422t20fd04a3g6eea4a059247ac11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43D3A374.6090409@php.net>

Edward Potter wrote:
> Based on this article, how do you write secure PHP code, the author
> seems to claim that there is no 100% way?

My apologies. I've added the following to the end:

"To avoid this type of vulnerability, use mysql_real_escape_string(), 
bound parameters, or any of the major database abstraction libraries."

http://shiflett.org/archive/184

I only meant to highlight the distinction between addslashes() and 
mysql_real_escape_string(), because I see too many people claiming that 
there is no difference. The difference isn't likely to matter to you, 
but it's there.

Anyway, glad to see someone read this. Thanks. :-)

Chris

-- 
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Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy
http://brainbulb.com/


From shiflett at php.net  Sun Jan 22 11:38:29 2006
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:38:29 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More confused now then before by PHP security!
In-Reply-To: <43D3A374.6090409@php.net>
References: <c5949a380601220422t20fd04a3g6eea4a059247ac11@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D3A374.6090409@php.net>
Message-ID: <43D3B505.9030302@php.net>

By the way, if you'd like to see what the resulting query looks like, 
it's the second code listing here:

http://d.hatena.ne.jp/t_komura/20060122#1137944280

I think this is demonstrating that the same situation exists with 
Shift_JIS, so the crazy multi-byte character might actually be different 
than in GBK, but the principle is the same.

Anyone read Japanese? :-)

Chris

-- 
Chris Shiflett
Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy
http://brainbulb.com/


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sun Jan 22 12:00:25 2006
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:00:25 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More confused now then before by PHP security!
In-Reply-To: <20060122141814.M45434@pinestream.com>
References: <c5949a380601220422t20fd04a3g6eea4a059247ac11@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D3895F.8000808@phpwerx.net>
	<20060122141814.M45434@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <20060122170025.GA1741@panix.com>

On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 09:18:14AM -0500, cliff wrote:
> 
> I just read two PHP books: one terrible 400+ page useless beast

Which one?

--Dan

-- 
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            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From cliff at pinestream.com  Sun Jan 22 17:19:16 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (cliff)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:19:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More confused now then before by PHP security!
In-Reply-To: <20060122170025.GA1741@panix.com>
References: <c5949a380601220422t20fd04a3g6eea4a059247ac11@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D3895F.8000808@phpwerx.net>
	<20060122141814.M45434@pinestream.com>
	<20060122170025.GA1741@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20060122221916.M24038@pinestream.com>

Well, of course the good one's was Chris'.

I hate to be disparaging, but the bad one was PHP Hacks, also by O'Reilly -- 
just came out. It just doesn't work. I was hoping for a great cookbook, but 
this fails in most every way. For example, there's a "hack" for roles-based 
authentication. Yes, I know, a roles-based ACL system in 3 pages. Silly me --
 I should have known better. Why even bother putting it in there?

On Sun, 22 Jan 2006 12:00:25 -0500, Daniel Convissor wrote
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 09:18:14AM -0500, cliff wrote:
> > 
> > I just read two PHP books: one terrible 400+ page useless beast
> 
> Which one?
> 
> --Dan


From cliff at pinestream.com  Sun Jan 22 17:24:16 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (cliff)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 17:24:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More confused now then before by PHP security!
In-Reply-To: <20060122170025.GA1741@panix.com>
References: <c5949a380601220422t20fd04a3g6eea4a059247ac11@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D3895F.8000808@phpwerx.net>
	<20060122141814.M45434@pinestream.com>
	<20060122170025.GA1741@panix.com>
Message-ID: <20060122222416.M41701@pinestream.com>

While we are on the subject of escaping output, here's one that has me 
somewhat confused.

Should I be escaping output for emails? And if so, with what?

On the one hand, an email msg. could end up in a browser-based client. But 
on the other, it should be the responsibility of the email client program to 
escape output, whether it's browser-based or a client-side application -- 
right?


From andrew at plexpod.com  Sun Jan 22 19:42:40 2006
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 19:42:40 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] An Email Architecture Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <b76252690601210813s485f7728g320399bf4ea88876@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40687.38.117.147.25.1137179887.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
	<20060113192735.GZ26280@desario.homelinux.net>
	<b76252690601210813s485f7728g320399bf4ea88876@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060123004239.GJ12736@desario.homelinux.net>

On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 11:13:17AM -0500, csnyder wrote:
> On 1/13/06, Andrew Yochum <andrew at plexpod.com> wrote:
> 
> > Configure your SMTP server or procmail to filter all email through a PHP
> > script.  Parse, munge (like adding a tracking number to the subject),
> > store it in your DB & pass it through to the recipient.  This is much
> > the same way many spam filters and email-based help desk apps work...
> > and CLEW.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Andrew
> 
> Sorry to jump in so late on this, had my head down this week.
> 
> I like this approach because it adds a header which can be used by the
> recipient of the email to verify that it was assigned to the proper
> job. You could also add a footer to "unassigned" messages, to include
> a link to the assignment interface.
> 
> For efficiency's sake, I might opt for a different system, using an
> IMAP mailbox so that the messages could queue under heavy load without
> affecting the timely delivery of mail. Your PHP app would simply read
> its inbox every so often, process any new messages, and either delete
> them or move them to one or more folders within the mailbox based on
> how they are assigned (or not assigned).
> 
> There is a nice tradeoff here which can help you decide: pass-through
> SMTP has fewer moving parts, whereas IMAP queueing has fault tolerance
> and a built-in message store.

I like the IMAP idea.  However, the delayed/queuing nature of it has the
downside of not allow you to drop in the connective tissue (header
and/or body tags) to messages on-the-fly before they're delivered.

Regular subjects and message IDs/in-reply-to headers can help
thread stuff for the IMAP config, but from what I've seen it helps to
build in your own for these kinds of apps.

If you're dealing with high volumes, speed is a concern and the setup
time of your mail filter is a hinderance... run it as a daemon.  Your
actual filter can be very light weight and just connect to the daemon
over unix or tcp sockets.  And you get a way to scale the app at the
same time.

Andrew

-- 
Andrew Yochum
Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879


From shiflett at php.net  Sun Jan 22 21:25:01 2006
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:25:01 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More confused now then before by PHP security!
In-Reply-To: <20060122221916.M24038@pinestream.com>
References: <c5949a380601220422t20fd04a3g6eea4a059247ac11@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D3895F.8000808@phpwerx.net> <20060122141814.M45434@pinestream.com>
	<20060122170025.GA1741@panix.com>
	<20060122221916.M24038@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <43D43E7D.1070204@php.net>

Cliff wrote:
> Well, of course the good one's was Chris'.

Glad to hear you liked it, Cliff. :-) I'm especially glad to hear that 
you appreciate the small size, since that was one of my primary goals. 
There are some sample chapters and such available online:

http://phpsecurity.org/

Regarding the original topic, Ilia has posted a follow-up:

http://ilia.ws/archives/103-mysql_real_escape_string-versus-Prepared-Statements.html

He explains that mysql_real_escape_string() doesn't use the correct 
character sets when you use a query to change it:

SET CHARACTER SET 'GBK'

It might be the intended behavior, or there might be a reason why it's 
impossible for mysql_real_escape_string() to know about the change. 
Anyone know? This smells like a bug to me, but I hate to cry bug without 
being certain.

Chris

-- 
Chris Shiflett
Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy
http://brainbulb.com/


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Sun Jan 22 21:31:43 2006
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 21:31:43 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More confused now then before by PHP security!
In-Reply-To: <20060122222416.M41701@pinestream.com>
References: <c5949a380601220422t20fd04a3g6eea4a059247ac11@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D3895F.8000808@phpwerx.net> <20060122141814.M45434@pinestream.com>
	<20060122170025.GA1741@panix.com>
	<20060122222416.M41701@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690601221831n3db0f0fap5a89420f13a2ad5d@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/22/06, cliff <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:
> While we are on the subject of escaping output, here's one that has me
> somewhat confused.
>
> Should I be escaping output for emails? And if so, with what?
>
> On the one hand, an email msg. could end up in a browser-based client. But
> on the other, it should be the responsibility of the email client program to
> escape output, whether it's browser-based or a client-side application --
> right?

You should be ensuring that user-submitted newlines can't creep into
your mail headers (or HTTP headers, for that matter), otherwise header
injection is possible.

I believe modern mail transport agents (and clients) can handle
anything nasty you send in the message body, but if you feel paranoid
you should make sure that email body content is ascii text with no
special characters like NULL "\x00" or EOT "\x04" lurking in it.

--
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/

From tedd at sperling.com  Sun Jan 22 23:37:00 2006
From: tedd at sperling.com (tedd)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 23:37:00 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More confused now then before by PHP security!
In-Reply-To: <43D43E7D.1070204@php.net>
References: <c5949a380601220422t20fd04a3g6eea4a059247ac11@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D3895F.8000808@phpwerx.net> <20060122141814.M45434@pinestream.com>
	<20060122170025.GA1741@panix.com>	<20060122221916.M24038@pinestream.com>
	<43D43E7D.1070204@php.net>
Message-ID: <p06230901bffa0dbc38cb@[192.168.0.100]>

>Cliff wrote:
>>  Well, of course the good one's was Chris'.
>
>Glad to hear you liked it, Cliff. :-) I'm especially glad to hear that
>you appreciate the small size, since that was one of my primary goals.
>There are some sample chapters and such available online:
>
>http://phpsecurity.org/
>
>-snip-
>
>Chris

Looks good enough for me.

tedd
-- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://sperling.com/


From sailer at bnl.gov  Mon Jan 23 09:11:15 2006
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:11:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] An Email Architecture Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <20060123004239.GJ12736@desario.homelinux.net>
References: <40687.38.117.147.25.1137179887.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
	<20060113192735.GZ26280@desario.homelinux.net>
	<b76252690601210813s485f7728g320399bf4ea88876@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060123004239.GJ12736@desario.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <20060123141115.GA28893@bnl.gov>

On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 07:42:40PM -0500, Andrew Yochum wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 11:13:17AM -0500, csnyder wrote:
> > On 1/13/06, Andrew Yochum <andrew at plexpod.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Configure your SMTP server or procmail to filter all email through a PHP
> > > script.  Parse, munge (like adding a tracking number to the subject),
> > > store it in your DB & pass it through to the recipient.  This is much
> > > the same way many spam filters and email-based help desk apps work...
> > > and CLEW.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > > Andrew
> > 
> > Sorry to jump in so late on this, had my head down this week.
> > 
> > I like this approach because it adds a header which can be used by the
> > recipient of the email to verify that it was assigned to the proper
> > job. You could also add a footer to "unassigned" messages, to include
> > a link to the assignment interface.
> > 
> > For efficiency's sake, I might opt for a different system, using an
> > IMAP mailbox so that the messages could queue under heavy load without
> > affecting the timely delivery of mail. Your PHP app would simply read
> > its inbox every so often, process any new messages, and either delete
> > them or move them to one or more folders within the mailbox based on
> > how they are assigned (or not assigned).
> > 
> > There is a nice tradeoff here which can help you decide: pass-through
> > SMTP has fewer moving parts, whereas IMAP queueing has fault tolerance
> > and a built-in message store.
> 
> I like the IMAP idea.  However, the delayed/queuing nature of it has the
> downside of not allow you to drop in the connective tissue (header
> and/or body tags) to messages on-the-fly before they're delivered.
> 
> Regular subjects and message IDs/in-reply-to headers can help
> thread stuff for the IMAP config, but from what I've seen it helps to
> build in your own for these kinds of apps.
> 
> If you're dealing with high volumes, speed is a concern and the setup
> time of your mail filter is a hinderance... run it as a daemon.  Your
> actual filter can be very light weight and just connect to the daemon
> over unix or tcp sockets.  And you get a way to scale the app at the
> same time.

Although not PHP based, OTRS is quite flexible, and does a lot of what
is discussed above. I've been using it for some time for my ISP, and
it works rather well. You can even set up filters to add additional
headers before you pass the email on.

Tim

-- 
Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov> 
Information and Special Technologies Program
Office of Counterintelligence 
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Mon Jan 23 10:37:28 2006
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:37:28 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PEAR DB ODBC broken after 5.0.4 -> 5.1.1
In-Reply-To: <OF9CFBEC22.891AE0C7-ON852570FA.00742A94-852570FA.007490B6@us.ibm.com>
References: <OF9CFBEC22.891AE0C7-ON852570FA.00742A94-852570FA.007490B6@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <20060123153727.GA9317@panix.com>

Hey Dan:

Ouch!  I'm not sure what's up with that.  Don't think it's a DB issue per 
se. Sounds like something is different between the machines.  Are the 
php.ini's and configure lines _exactly_ the same?  Are the outputs of 
phpinfo() the same?  Can you connect to some other DBMSs and databases 
from the machine?

--Dan

-- 
 T H E   A N A L Y S I S   A N D   S O L U T I O N S   C O M P A N Y
            data intensive web and database programming
                http://www.AnalysisAndSolutions.com/
 4015 7th Ave #4, Brooklyn NY 11232  v: 718-854-0335 f: 718-854-0409


From jeffmailings99 at verizon.net  Mon Jan 23 11:04:41 2006
From: jeffmailings99 at verizon.net (Jeff - Mailings)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:04:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More confused now then before by PHP security!
In-Reply-To: <b76252690601221831n3db0f0fap5a89420f13a2ad5d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0ITJ004JMZC0XFF2@vms044.mailsrvcs.net>

--SNIP--
>>You should be ensuring that user-submitted newlines can't creep into
>>your mail headers (or HTTP headers, for that matter), otherwise header
>>injection is possible.
--END SNIP--


Speaking of "header injection," see also:
http://www.nyphp.org/phundamentals/email_header_injection.php

Jeff  



From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Mon Jan 23 13:33:59 2006
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:33:59 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More MySQL 5.1.x coolness (partitioning)
Message-ID: <E50F6A5C-9166-4A9B-A697-70CB4EFFDC19@jonbaer.com>

Forgive me, I know this is not the list for MySQL but ive been  
playing around w/ partitioning the past few days and finding it  
pretty beneficial for "long term data thinking" before building out  
new apps, so I just wanted to see if anyone else has been looking at  
the feature as well.

I currently have one site running both historical tracking stats and  
blog posts and had to mysqldump out the contents for backup and then  
discovered horizontal partitioning where you could perform PARTITION  
BY RANGE ( YEAR(posted_on) ) and remove/slide it off the stack easily.

This particular feature is detailed here: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/ 
refman/5.1/en/partitioning-range.html

Im sure all the other commercial dbs have this but MySQL is the only  
one Ive known, I just really like this feature (as well as everything  
else that is sure to be in 5.2), so im I excited about nothing or has  
this been around forever + I should be spaghetti whipped by a DBA?

- Jon


From abracadabra13 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 15:37:57 2006
From: abracadabra13 at gmail.com (AbraCadab Ra)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:37:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Vs. Java with a flash front end.
Message-ID: <316533590601231237u11986b92jf958e9c9786157da@mail.gmail.com>

Guys,

I know this is an age old discussion, but i need some constructive criticism
and some practical advice any of you might have come across in a similar
situation.

There is a requirement to build a 3 tire multimedia application that will
stream audio/video. The front end requirement is to be in Flash. The middle
end either PHP or JAVA, and the database backend.

Does anyone have a links to any good articles or personal experiences that
outline the pro's and con's of using PHP Vs JAVA for the middle layer?

Thanks,
Yusuf
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From woodwort at agritec.net  Mon Jan 23 15:49:27 2006
From: woodwort at agritec.net (woodwort)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 12:49:27 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Vs. Java with a flash front end.
In-Reply-To: <316533590601231237u11986b92jf958e9c9786157da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <316533590601231237u11986b92jf958e9c9786157da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43D54157.9000602@agritec.net>

I have been working with CakeAMFPHP. It uses CakePHP(a rails like php 
framework) together with AMFPHP the remoting platform for PHP. I think 
you will find development to be quick and painless.

http://cakephp.org
http://amfphp.org
http://cakeforge.org/projects/cakeamfphp



From lists at genoverly.net  Mon Jan 23 20:57:06 2006
From: lists at genoverly.net (michael)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:57:06 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] apache basic auth
Message-ID: <20060123205706.23646254@wit.genoverly.home>

I've read the apache docs and googled for this but I can't seem to find
a definitive answer.  Can you run basic auth in nested directories?  Or
does it inherit auth from above?

Say I have restrictions on the whole site with Tom, Dick, Harry, and
Jane in the 'normal' group file.  I then have a directory (called
secret) in that site that I only want members of the group 'secret'
to be allowed: Tom, Dick, and Harry (no Jane).


<VirtualHost 10.10.10.03>
        ServerName      subdomain.domain.com
        DocumentRoot    /path/to/root/directory/

	# restrict whole site
	#################################
        <Directory "/path/to/root/directory">
                AuthType Basic
                AuthName "site restricted"
                AuthUserFile /path/to/password/file
                AuthGroupFile /path/to/group/file
                Require group normal
        </Directory>

	# restrict super secret directory
	#################################
        Alias /secret/   "/path/to/root/directory/deep/secret/"
        <Directory "/path/to/root/directory/deep/secret">
                AuthType Basic
                AuthName "super secret"
                AuthUserFile /path/to/password/file
                AuthGroupFile /path/to/group/file
                Require group secret
        </Directory>
</VirtualHost>

I have something similar to this set up.  When I point my browser at
http://subdomain.domain.com I get prompted.  I logon as Jane and can
see the site.  I then go into the /secret/ directory and I do NOT get
prompted again!  Unless I'm missing something, it looks like nested
auth does not work.

I've tried closing the browser and reopening the browser to clear
authentication remnants.  Am I doing something wrong?  Is there another
way to do what I'm trying to do?   

I am aware basic auth is not secure, but, I want to get this basic
concept to work first.  Then I will use encryption. 

-- 

Michael



From lists at genoverly.net  Tue Jan 24 09:06:17 2006
From: lists at genoverly.net (michael)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 09:06:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] apache basic auth
In-Reply-To: <20060123205706.23646254@wit.genoverly.home>
References: <20060123205706.23646254@wit.genoverly.home>
Message-ID: <20060124090617.28bb3c00@wit.genoverly.home>

On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 20:57:06 -0500
michael <lists at genoverly.net> wrote:

> I've read the apache docs and googled for this but I can't seem to
> find a definitive answer.  Can you run basic auth in nested
> directories?  Or does it inherit auth from above?
> 
> Say I have restrictions on the whole site with Tom, Dick, Harry, and
> Jane in the 'normal' group file.  I then have a directory (called
> secret) in that site that I only want members of the group 'secret'
> to be allowed: Tom, Dick, and Harry (no Jane).
> 
> 
> <VirtualHost 10.10.10.03>
>         ServerName      subdomain.domain.com
>         DocumentRoot    /path/to/root/directory/
> 
> 	# restrict whole site
> 	#################################
>         <Directory "/path/to/root/directory">
>                 AuthType Basic
>                 AuthName "site restricted"
>                 AuthUserFile /path/to/password/file
>                 AuthGroupFile /path/to/group/file
>                 Require group normal
>         </Directory>
> 
> 	# restrict super secret directory
> 	#################################
>         Alias /secret/   "/path/to/root/directory/deep/secret/"
>         <Directory "/path/to/root/directory/deep/secret">
>                 AuthType Basic
>                 AuthName "super secret"
>                 AuthUserFile /path/to/password/file
>                 AuthGroupFile /path/to/group/file
>                 Require group secret
>         </Directory>
> </VirtualHost>
> 
> I have something similar to this set up.  When I point my browser at
> http://subdomain.domain.com I get prompted.  I logon as Jane and can
> see the site.  I then go into the /secret/ directory and I do NOT get
> prompted again!  Unless I'm missing something, it looks like nested
> auth does not work.
> 
> I've tried closing the browser and reopening the browser to clear
> authentication remnants.  Am I doing something wrong?  Is there
> another way to do what I'm trying to do?   
> 
> I am aware basic auth is not secure, but, I want to get this basic
> concept to work first.  Then I will use encryption. 

Answering my own question..

File under apache/auth/proxy for the archives.

1. Apache does NOT allow nested auth.  Once you auth a directory tree,
everything under it is allowed.  So, if separate auth is needed you
have to go up the tree.  Edititing the above example, If you changed
the super secret directory to "/path/to/root/deep/secret" it will work
because is does not fall under the original authentication umbrella.

2. If "/secret/" is a reverse proxy to another site it will NOT
authenticate. You *must* create a directory below the auth directory
(actually within the restricted area, thus triggering auth); 

Alias /virtualsecret/ "/path/to/root/deep/secret/proxy"

	## send requests for /virtualsecret/ to another server
	ProxyRequests Off
	<Proxy *>
		Order deny,allow
		Allow from all
	</Proxy>
	ProxyPass       /virtualsecret/ http://otherdomain.com/directory/ 
	ProxyPassReverse /virtualsecret/ http://otherdomain.com/directory/

-- 

Michael


From mitch.pirtle at gmail.com  Tue Jan 24 13:20:53 2006
From: mitch.pirtle at gmail.com (Mitch Pirtle)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:20:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] More MySQL 5.1.x coolness (partitioning)
In-Reply-To: <E50F6A5C-9166-4A9B-A697-70CB4EFFDC19@jonbaer.com>
References: <E50F6A5C-9166-4A9B-A697-70CB4EFFDC19@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <330532b60601241020sd43363cydcf9dfd822c82880@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/23/06, Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:
> Im sure all the other commercial dbs have this but MySQL is the only
> one Ive known, I just really like this feature (as well as everything
> else that is sure to be in 5.2), so im I excited about nothing or has
> this been around forever + I should be spaghetti whipped by a DBA?

*spacemonkey goes to kitchen, looks for freshly cooked pasta

--
Mitch Pirtle
Joomla! Core Developer
Open Source Matters


From krook at us.ibm.com  Tue Jan 24 23:23:35 2006
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:23:35 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PEAR DB ODBC broken after 5.0.4 -> 5.1.1
In-Reply-To: <20060123153727.GA9317@panix.com>
Message-ID: <OF915BD300.7EF5F010-ON88257101.00180612-88257101.00182120@us.ibm.com>

> Hey Dan:
> 
> Ouch!  I'm not sure what's up with that.  Don't think it's
> a DB issue per 
> se. Sounds like something is different between the 
> machines.  Are the 
> php.ini's and configure lines _exactly_ the same?  Are the
> outputs of 
> phpinfo() the same?  Can you connect to some other DBMSs 
> and databases 
> from the machine?
> 
> --Dan

Dan,

Yes, both php.ini values for ODBC are the same, and save for a minor Linux 
kernel version, both machines are SuSE Pro 9.2.  The only difference in 
the machine that works is that I recompiled it for LDAP support later.  It 
was able to connect before and after that though.  Both are hooked to 
Apache 1.3.34.

>From a hardware standpoint, the machine that work is P4, the one that 
doesn't is Xeon.

Top of phpinfo:

"guajillo" works:
http://krook.org/etc/guajillo.gif

"linsang" doesn't:
http://krook.org/etc/linsang.gif

Both share these ODBC settings from php.ini:
http://krook.org/etc/odbc.gif

MySQL is running just fine on the machine, and I can connect to the 
database in question from a Java application just fine:
Database product name : DB2/LINUX
Database product version : SQL08020
JDBC driver name  : IBM DB2 JDBC Universal Driver Architecture
JDBC driver version  : 2.3.63

Any other thoughts?

TIA,
-Dan



Daniel Krook, Content Tools Developer
Global Production Services - Tools, ibm.com

http://bluepages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
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From yournway at gmail.com  Wed Jan 25 01:16:54 2006
From: yournway at gmail.com (Alberto dos Santos)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 06:16:54 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PEAR DB ODBC broken after 5.0.4 -> 5.1.1
In-Reply-To: <OF915BD300.7EF5F010-ON88257101.00180612-88257101.00182120@us.ibm.com>
References: <20060123153727.GA9317@panix.com>
	<OF915BD300.7EF5F010-ON88257101.00180612-88257101.00182120@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <edce57650601242216hcc62d2ex@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure this will help, but still...
Have you checked the compilation log to see if there were no errors or
something funny happened?
Cheers,

Al.

On 25/01/06, Daniel Krook <krook at us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Dan:
> >
> > Ouch!  I'm not sure what's up with that.  Don't think it's
> > a DB issue per
> > se. Sounds like something is different between the
> > machines.  Are the
> > php.ini's and configure lines _exactly_ the same?  Are the
> > outputs of
> > phpinfo() the same?  Can you connect to some other DBMSs
> > and databases
> > from the machine?
> >
> > --Dan
>
> Dan,
>
> Yes, both php.ini values for ODBC are the same, and save for a minor Linux
> kernel version, both machines are SuSE Pro 9.2.  The only difference in
> the machine that works is that I recompiled it for LDAP support later.  It
> was able to connect before and after that though.  Both are hooked to
> Apache 1.3.34.
>
> >From a hardware standpoint, the machine that work is P4, the one that
> doesn't is Xeon.
>
> Top of phpinfo:
>
> "guajillo" works:
> http://krook.org/etc/guajillo.gif
>
> "linsang" doesn't:
> http://krook.org/etc/linsang.gif
>
> Both share these ODBC settings from php.ini:
> http://krook.org/etc/odbc.gif
>
> MySQL is running just fine on the machine, and I can connect to the
> database in question from a Java application just fine:
> Database product name : DB2/LINUX
> Database product version : SQL08020
> JDBC driver name  : IBM DB2 JDBC Universal Driver Architecture
> JDBC driver version  : 2.3.63
>
> Any other thoughts?
>
> TIA,
> -Dan
>
>
>
> Daniel Krook, Content Tools Developer
> Global Production Services - Tools, ibm.com
>
> http://bluepages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
> http://blogpages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
> http://bookmarks.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
>
>
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From scott at crisscott.com  Wed Jan 25 10:18:09 2006
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:18:09 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Determining mime type of data not a file
Message-ID: <43D796B1.4040907@crisscott.com>

Hello,

I am looking for a way to determine the mime type of an image that is 
held in memory and does not come from a file. All of the functions I can 
find only work on files. Does anyone know of a way to get the mime type 
from the image data? Here is a basic idea of what is happening:

function spitOutImage($imageToGet)
{
     if (cache::isCached($imageToGet)) {
         $image = cache::getImage($imageToGet);
     } else {
         $image = $this->createImage($imageToGet);
     }

     header('Content-type: ???');
     echo $image;
}

If createImage() is called, I can get the image type, but if the image 
is cached, I can't. The cached image just lives as data somewhere with 
no other information.

Thanks,
-- 
Scott Mattocks
http://www.crisscott.com


From chris at theyellowbox.com  Wed Jan 25 10:26:52 2006
From: chris at theyellowbox.com (Chris Merlo)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:26:52 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Determining mime type of data not a file
In-Reply-To: <43D796B1.4040907@crisscott.com>
References: <43D796B1.4040907@crisscott.com>
Message-ID: <946586480601250726k7333826k6e760d275fcacfdc@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/25/06, Scott Mattocks <scott at crisscott.com> wrote:

> I am looking for a way to determine the mime type of an image that is
> held in memory and does not come from a file.


[...]

function spitOutImage($imageToGet)
> {
>      if (cache::isCached($imageToGet)) {
>          $image = cache::getImage($imageToGet);


Scott:
If that cache class is something you wrote, just add a mimeType data field
to it, and store the mime type when you cache the image.  (If it's not, then
my apologies for not being all that familiar with the PEAR repositories.)
-c

--
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http://www.theyellowbox.com/
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From scott at crisscott.com  Wed Jan 25 10:37:42 2006
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:37:42 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Determining mime type of data not a file
In-Reply-To: <946586480601250726k7333826k6e760d275fcacfdc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43D796B1.4040907@crisscott.com>
	<946586480601250726k7333826k6e760d275fcacfdc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43D79B46.5020809@crisscott.com>

Chris Merlo wrote:
> On 1/25/06, Scott Mattocks <scott at crisscott.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>I am looking for a way to determine the mime type of an image that is
>>held in memory and does not come from a file.
> 
> Scott:
> If that cache class is something you wrote, just add a mimeType data field
> to it, and store the mime type when you cache the image.  (If it's not, then
> my apologies for not being all that familiar with the PEAR repositories.)

The cache class is an in house class that I can't really mess with. It 
holds a lot of other types of data besides images and we want it to stay 
as generic as possible.

Unless I am confused, the mime type isn't a property of the file it is a 
property of the data. So I don't see why all of the mime type functions 
and classes that I have found only work on files.

Thanks,
Scott


From chris at theyellowbox.com  Wed Jan 25 10:46:58 2006
From: chris at theyellowbox.com (Chris Merlo)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:46:58 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Determining mime type of data not a file
In-Reply-To: <43D79B46.5020809@crisscott.com>
References: <43D796B1.4040907@crisscott.com>
	<946586480601250726k7333826k6e760d275fcacfdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D79B46.5020809@crisscott.com>
Message-ID: <946586480601250746s56d039c3p9cc84010ba3bc102@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/25/06, Scott Mattocks <scott at crisscott.com> wrote:

> The cache class is an in house class that I can't really mess with. It
> holds a lot of other types of data besides images and we want it to stay
> as generic as possible.


Make a subclass!

Unless I am confused, the mime type isn't a property of the file it is a
> property of the data. So I don't see why all of the mime type functions
> and classes that I have found only work on files.


Probably because when all our favorite languages were created, 99% of data
was in files, because people had less RAM.

There is a program that comes with Linux called "file" which determines the
type of data in a file, regardless of file name, extension, etc.  If you can
dig through that source code, maybe it'll help in your quest.
-c

--
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From andrew at plexpod.com  Wed Jan 25 11:01:28 2006
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:01:28 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Determining mime type of data not a file
In-Reply-To: <43D79B46.5020809@crisscott.com>
References: <43D796B1.4040907@crisscott.com>
	<946586480601250726k7333826k6e760d275fcacfdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D79B46.5020809@crisscott.com>
Message-ID: <20060125160127.GN12736@desario.homelinux.net>

On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 10:37:42AM -0500, Scott Mattocks wrote:
> Unless I am confused, the mime type isn't a property of the file it is a 
> property of the data. So I don't see why all of the mime type functions 
> and classes that I have found only work on files.

Well typically the file is on disk, and you need to get its mimetype.
The mimetype isn't embedded in the file at all - it needs to be guessed,
which is why the extension is called "MIME Magic".  Read the first bit
of:
    http://us3.php.net/manual/en/ref.mime-magic.php

That said, I believe you can make what you want happen a few ways:
1. Write the file to a temp file:
    $out = fopen($filename = tempnam("/tmp", 'mime'), 'w');
    fwrite($out, $file_contents);
    fclose($out);
    $mimetype = mime_content_type($filename);
    unlink($filename);
2. Use a fifo named pipe - this avoids disk usage if thats a concern for you:
    posix_mkfifo($filename = tempnam("/tmp", 'mime'), 0644);
    $out = fopen($filename, 'w');
    fwrite($out, $file_contents);
    fclose($out);
    $mimetype = mime_content_type($filename);
    unlink($filename);
3. Use wrappers... don't know off hand, but something tells me you could
finagle getting a string to act as a php resource somehow.  Anyone?
    
HTH,
Andrew
-- 
Andrew Yochum
Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879


From scott at crisscott.com  Wed Jan 25 11:15:41 2006
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:15:41 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Determining mime type of data not a file
In-Reply-To: <20060125160127.GN12736@desario.homelinux.net>
References: <43D796B1.4040907@crisscott.com>	<946586480601250726k7333826k6e760d275fcacfdc@mail.gmail.com>	<43D79B46.5020809@crisscott.com>
	<20060125160127.GN12736@desario.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <43D7A42D.80204@crisscott.com>

Thanks Chris and Anderw.

I found the answer I was looking for in the fileinfo PECL extension 
(http://pecl.php.net/package/fileinfo). With this extension I can do the 
following:

// Get the image data (see previous message for psuedo code)
$fi = finfo_open(FILEINFO_MIME);
$contentType = finfo_buffer($fi, $image);
// Set the headers and output the message.

I'll probably end up doing a check to see if the extension is loaded and 
if not use method 1 that you mentioned.

Thanks,
Scott

Andrew Yochum wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2006 at 10:37:42AM -0500, Scott Mattocks wrote:
> 
> That said, I believe you can make what you want happen a few ways:
> 1. Write the file to a temp file:
>     $out = fopen($filename = tempnam("/tmp", 'mime'), 'w');
>     fwrite($out, $file_contents);
>     fclose($out);
>     $mimetype = mime_content_type($filename);
>     unlink($filename);


From scott at crisscott.com  Wed Jan 25 11:18:31 2006
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:18:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Determining mime type of data not a file
In-Reply-To: <43D7A42D.80204@crisscott.com>
References: <43D796B1.4040907@crisscott.com>	<946586480601250726k7333826k6e760d275fcacfdc@mail.gmail.com>	<43D79B46.5020809@crisscott.com>	<20060125160127.GN12736@desario.homelinux.net>
	<43D7A42D.80204@crisscott.com>
Message-ID: <43D7A4D7.8080704@crisscott.com>

Scott Mattocks wrote:
> Thanks Chris and Anderw.
> 
> I found the answer I was looking for in the fileinfo PECL extension 
> (http://pecl.php.net/package/fileinfo). With this extension I can do the 
> following:
> 
> // Get the image data (see previous message for psuedo code)
> $fi = finfo_open(FILEINFO_MIME);
> $contentType = finfo_buffer($fi, $image);
> // Set the headers and output the message.

For anyone else that is interested, you can alternatively do this:

$finfo = new finfo(FILEINFO_MIME);
$contentType = $finfo->buffer($image);

Scott


From mikko.rantalainen at peda.net  Thu Jan 26 08:58:11 2006
From: mikko.rantalainen at peda.net (Mikko Rantalainen)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:58:11 +0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Determining mime type of data not a file
In-Reply-To: <43D79B46.5020809@crisscott.com>
References: <43D796B1.4040907@crisscott.com>	<946586480601250726k7333826k6e760d275fcacfdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<43D79B46.5020809@crisscott.com>
Message-ID: <43D8D573.7020000@peda.net>

Scott Mattocks wrote:
> Chris Merlo wrote:
>>On 1/25/06, Scott Mattocks <scott at crisscott.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I am looking for a way to determine the mime type of an image that is
>>>held in memory and does not come from a file.
>>
>>Scott:
>>If that cache class is something you wrote, just add a mimeType data field
>>to it, and store the mime type when you cache the image.
> 
> The cache class is an in house class that I can't really mess with. It 
> holds a lot of other types of data besides images and we want it to stay 
> as generic as possible.
> 
> Unless I am confused, the mime type isn't a property of the file it is a 
> property of the data.

For such cache to be generic it should definately support storing 
the mime type in addition to data. For example, if data looks like

"What is <em>this</em> thing?"

how is a computer program (or even a human) going to figure out if 
correct mime type is

a) text/plain
b) application/xhtml+xml
c) application/x-xml-fragment
d) other, what?

Notice that the above example isn't a valid HTML, XHTML or XML 
document. In addition, if you decide text/plain you should be 
somehow able to decipher the correct character set! Notice that you 
cannot know if the above fragment is *supposed* to be a plain text 
example string inside an article about XHTML (in which case it 
should be run through htmlentities() before inserting inside an HTML 
page) if it is indeed a fragment of XHTML code which should be 
inserted as is.

Yes, in general, mime type is property of file instead of a property 
of data. I'd suggest implementing the mime type support for your 
cache and using "application/octet-stream" for already-in-use 
software (just default to that if nothing is provided by caller).

-- 
Mikko


From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Fri Jan 27 12:41:48 2006
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 12:41:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] command line warning "...these options need to
 match"
In-Reply-To: <43CEB4D4.4050307@simmons.edu>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601181546370.43229@emra.pair.com>
	<43CEB4D4.4050307@simmons.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601271237460.56525@emra.pair.com>

On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Jonathan wrote:

> I get these errors when I compile from C into a .so extension from
> different versions of PHP.
> It might not be your php script causing the error - but a shared object
> you are loading (or ADODB c library for example) through a dl() function
> or in the .ini.
> \uffff I don't know what that is- hex for nothing?
> Anyway , thats a php 5 warning message - and some extension being loaded
> is from php4.
>

Does anybody know how you figure out which extension is offending? I have
this, according to 'php -m'

[PHP Modules]
ctype
curl
date
dom
exif
gd
iconv
libxml
mcrypt
mhash
mysql
mysqli
openssl
pcre
PDO
pdo_sqlite
posix
session
SimpleXML
soap
SPL
SQLite
standard
tidy
tokenizer
xml
xsl
Zend Debugger
Zend Optimizer
zlib

[Zend Modules]
Zend Debugger
Zend Extension Manager
Zend Optimizer


I tried googling for this and at the top of the results was my own post to
this list from a while ago. D'oh! The Inadvertent Autogoogle.

TIA

---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their
persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon
probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


From hendler at simmons.edu  Fri Jan 27 15:57:19 2006
From: hendler at simmons.edu (Jonathan Hendler)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 15:57:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] command line warning "...these options need to
	match"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601271237460.56525@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601181546370.43229@emra.pair.com>	<43CEB4D4.4050307@simmons.edu>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0601271237460.56525@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <43DA892F.2020303@simmons.edu>

If these are extensions loaded via your php.ini then you can go through 
each individually and shut them on and off one at a time. And reload the 
extension.
Otherwise won't show up in your list of "loaded" extensions because it 
failed to load.
You can also look in your app for a ".so" or ".dll" if you are on 
windows. As I said, distrobutions of ADODB often include a .so.

David Mintz wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Jonathan wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I get these errors when I compile from C into a .so extension from
>>different versions of PHP.
>>It might not be your php script causing the error - but a shared object
>>you are loading (or ADODB c library for example) through a dl() function
>>or in the .ini.
>>\uffff I don't know what that is- hex for nothing?
>>Anyway , thats a php 5 warning message - and some extension being loaded
>>is from php4.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Does anybody know how you figure out which extension is offending? I have
>this, according to 'php -m'
>
>[PHP Modules]
>ctype
>curl
>date
>dom
>exif
>gd
>iconv
>libxml
>mcrypt
>mhash
>mysql
>mysqli
>openssl
>pcre
>PDO
>pdo_sqlite
>posix
>session
>SimpleXML
>soap
>SPL
>SQLite
>standard
>tidy
>tokenizer
>xml
>xsl
>Zend Debugger
>Zend Optimizer
>zlib
>
>[Zend Modules]
>Zend Debugger
>Zend Extension Manager
>Zend Optimizer
>
>
>I tried googling for this and at the top of the results was my own post to
>this list from a while ago. D'oh! The Inadvertent Autogoogle.
>
>TIA
>
>---
>David Mintz
>http://davidmintz.org/
>
>Amendment IV
>
>The right of the people to be secure in their
>persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
>unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
>violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon
>probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
>and particularly describing the place to be
>searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
>_______________________________________________
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From evdo.hsdpa at gmail.com  Fri Jan 27 22:57:50 2006
From: evdo.hsdpa at gmail.com (Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor)
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 19:57:50 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] command line warning "...these options need to
	match"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601271237460.56525@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601181546370.43229@emra.pair.com>
	<43CEB4D4.4050307@simmons.edu>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0601271237460.56525@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <1ec620e90601271957q576d4fdobb5cc3f9f5bbab37@mail.gmail.com>

david... try a bigger php forum... cant help ya.

--

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2611 s Highway 101
Cardiff CA 92007
206 984 0880
http://evdo-coverage.com/cellular-repeater.html

On 1/27/06, David Mintz <dmintz at davidmintz.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Jonathan wrote:
>
> > I get these errors when I compile from C into a .so extension from
> > different versions of PHP.
> > It might not be your php script causing the error - but a shared object
> > you are loading (or ADODB c library for example) through a dl() function
> > or in the .ini.
> > \uffff I don't know what that is- hex for nothing?
> > Anyway , thats a php 5 warning message - and some extension being loaded
> > is from php4.
> >
>
> Does anybody know how you figure out which extension is offending? I have
> this, according to 'php -m'
>
> [PHP Modules]
> ctype
> curl
> date
> dom
> exif
> gd
> iconv
> libxml
> mcrypt
> mhash
> mysql
> mysqli
> openssl
> pcre
> PDO
> pdo_sqlite
> posix
> session
> SimpleXML
> soap
> SPL
> SQLite
> standard
> tidy
> tokenizer
> xml
> xsl
> Zend Debugger
> Zend Optimizer
> zlib
>
> [Zend Modules]
> Zend Debugger
> Zend Extension Manager
> Zend Optimizer
>
>
> I tried googling for this and at the top of the results was my own post to
> this list from a while ago. D'oh! The Inadvertent Autogoogle.
>
> TIA
>
> ---
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
>
> Amendment IV
>
> The right of the people to be secure in their
> persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
> unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
> violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon
> probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
> and particularly describing the place to be
> searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> New York PHP Conference and Expo 2006
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


--
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http://evdo-coverage.com/cell-repeater.html
http://hsdpa-coverage.com

2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101
Suite 102
Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007
206 984 0880


From shiflett at php.net  Sat Jan 28 10:46:54 2006
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:46:54 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHPCon
Message-ID: <43DB91EE.8090909@php.net>

14 Jun - 16 Jun 2006:

http://www.nyphpcon.com/

Chris

-- 
Chris Shiflett
Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy
http://brainbulb.com/


From ken at secdat.com  Sat Jan 28 10:55:02 2006
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:55:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHPCon
In-Reply-To: <43DB91EE.8090909@php.net>
References: <43DB91EE.8090909@php.net>
Message-ID: <38321.38.117.147.25.1138463702.squirrel@38.117.147.25>

I could not find a deadline for submissions, is there one?

> 14 Jun - 16 Jun 2006:
>
> http://www.nyphpcon.com/
>
> Chris
>
> --
> Chris Shiflett
> Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy
> http://brainbulb.com/
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> New York PHP Conference and Expo 2006
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software
631-379-0010
ken at secdat.com
PO Box 708
East Setauket, NY 11733



From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sat Jan 28 13:11:12 2006
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:11:12 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in SecurityFocus #330
Message-ID: <20060128181121.C420DCB3426@mailspool3.panix.com>

These summaries are available online
RSS:  http://phpsec.org/projects/vulnerabilities/securityfocus.xml
HTML: http://phpsec.org/projects/vulnerabilities/securityfocus.html

Alerts from SecurityFocus Newsletter #330

APPLICATIONS USING PHP
----------------------
Round Cube Webmail Path Disclosure Weakness
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15920

PHP Fusebox Index.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15924

JPortal Forum Forum.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15925

PlaySMS Index.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15928

Box UK Amaxus CMS Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15936

Adaptive Website Framework Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15937

Caravel CMS Multiple Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15939

Contenite ID Parameter Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15942

Esselbach Storyteller CMS Search Module Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15945

FLIP Multiple Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15947

Libertas Enterprise CMS Index.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15950

ContentServ Index.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15956

Direct News Index.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15957

ODFaq FAQ.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15958

Marwel Index.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15959

Miraserver Multiple SQL Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15960

Bitweaver Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15962

myEZshop Shopping Cart Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15965

Komodo CMS Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15966

PHPGedView Multiple Remote Script Code Execution Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15983

Enterprise Connector Main.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15984

AbleDesign ReSearch Search Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15988

AbleDesign D-Man Title Parameter Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/15993

Tolva  Usermods.PHP Remote File Include Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16000

Beehive Forum Multiple HTML Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16002

Papaya CMS Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16005

SPIP Multiple Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16019

Papoo Multiple SQL Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16020

PHPSlash Article.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16021





From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sat Jan 28 13:11:16 2006
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:11:16 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in SecurityFocus #331
Message-ID: <20060128181125.A4C1CCB3425@mailspool3.panix.com>

These summaries are available online
RSS:  http://phpsec.org/projects/vulnerabilities/securityfocus.xml
HTML: http://phpsec.org/projects/vulnerabilities/securityfocus.html

Alerts from SecurityFocus Newsletter #331

APPLICATIONS USING PHP
----------------------
SimpBook Guestbook HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16058

Cerberus Helpdesk Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16062

Dev Web Management System Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16063

PHPSurveyor SID Parameter SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16077

Koobi BBCode URL Tag Script Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16078

PHPDocumentor Remote and Local File Include Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16080

PHPDocumentor Forum Lib Variable Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability  
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16101

MyBB Globa.PHP Cookie Data SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16082

TinyMCE Compressor Multiple Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16083

PHPBB Multiple Unspecified Remote Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16088

Ades Design AdesGuestbook Read Script Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16090

OOApp Guestbook Home Script Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16091

iPei Guestbook Index.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16092

Kayako SupportSuite Multiple Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16094

MyBB Print Thread Script HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16096

MyBB File Upload SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16097





From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sat Jan 28 13:11:18 2006
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:11:18 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in SecurityFocus #332
Message-ID: <20060128181127.A5F07CB3427@mailspool3.panix.com>

These summaries are available online
RSS:  http://phpsec.org/projects/vulnerabilities/securityfocus.xml
HTML: http://phpsec.org/projects/vulnerabilities/securityfocus.html

Alerts from SecurityFocus Newsletter #332

PHP
---
PHP MySQL_Connect Remote Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16145


APPLICATIONS USING PHP
----------------------
MyBB Print Thread Script HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16096

MyBB File Upload SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16097

InTouch User Variable SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16110

PHPJournaler Readold Variable SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16111

Chimera Web Portal Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16113

B-Net Multiple HTML Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16114

ScozNet ScozBook AdminName Variable SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16115

VBulletin Event Title HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16116

Drupal URL-Encoded Input HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16117

INCOGEN Bugport Multiple SQL Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16121

INCOGEN Bugport Index.PHP Multiple Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16123

Primo Place Primo Cart Multiple SQL Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16125

Valdersoft Shopping Cart Remote File Include Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16126

IDV Directory Viewer Index.PHP Information Disclosure Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16137

raSMP User-Agent HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16138

Lizard Cart CMS Multiple SQL Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16140

Foro Domus Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16154

ADN Forum Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16157

Modular Merchant Shopping Cart Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16160

TheWebForum Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16161

TinyPHPForum Multiple Directory Traversal Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16163

Navboard Multiple BBCode Tag Script Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16165


RELATED STUFF
-------------
Apache mod_auth_pgsql Multiple Format String Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16153





From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sat Jan 28 13:11:21 2006
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:11:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in SecurityFocus #334
Message-ID: <20060128181131.0F39F7E22A2@mailspool2.panix.com>

These summaries are available online
RSS:  http://phpsec.org/projects/vulnerabilities/securityfocus.xml
HTML: http://phpsec.org/projects/vulnerabilities/securityfocus.html

Alerts from SecurityFocus Newsletter #334

APPLICATIONS USING PHP
----------------------
WP-Stats Author Parameter SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16241

Benders Calendar Multiple SQL Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16242

Bit 5 Blog Index.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16244

Bit 5 Blog AddComment.PHP HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16246

White Album Pictures.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16247

GeoBlog ViewCat.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16249

EZDatabase Index.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16257

CubeCart Multiple Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16259

phpXplorer Workspaces.PHP Directory Traversal Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16263

phpXplorer Action.PHP Directory Traversal Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16292

RedKernel Referrer Tracker Rkrt_stats.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16266

BlogPHP Index.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16269

microBlog Index.PHP Multiple SQL Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16270

microBlog BBCode URL Tag Script Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16272

PHP Fusebox Index.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16274

WebMobo WBNews Comments.PHP HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16277

PowerPortal Multiple Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16279

SMBCMS Local Site Search Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16281

HTMLtoNuke HTMLtonuke.PHP Remote File Include Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16282

AOblogger Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16286

Eggblog Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16305

SaralBlog Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16306

MyBB Signature HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16308

PHlyMail Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16310

My Amazon Store Manager Search.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16312

Netrix X-Site Manager Product_Details.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16313

WebspotBlogging Login.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16319





From danielc at analysisandsolutions.com  Sat Jan 28 13:11:19 2006
From: danielc at analysisandsolutions.com (Daniel Convissor)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:11:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in SecurityFocus #333
Message-ID: <20060128181129.41B5B7E22A1@mailspool2.panix.com>

These summaries are available online
RSS:  http://phpsec.org/projects/vulnerabilities/securityfocus.xml
HTML: http://phpsec.org/projects/vulnerabilities/securityfocus.html

Alerts from SecurityFocus Newsletter #333

PHP
---
PHP MySQLI Error Logging Remote Format String Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16219
Upgrade to PHP 5.1.2

PHP 5 User-Supplied Session ID Input Validation Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16220
Upgrade to PHP 5.1.2


APPLICATIONS USING PHP
----------------------
Navboard Multiple BBCode Tag Script Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16165

AppServ Open Project Remote File Include Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16166

427BB Showthread.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16169

427BB Authentication Bypass Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16178

Foxrum Multiple BBCode Tag Script Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16172

PHP PEAR Go-Pear.PHP Arbitrary Remote Code Execution Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16174

SysCP WebFTP Module Local File Include Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16175

Venom Board Post.PHP3 Multiple SQL Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16176

PHPChamber Search_result.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16180

Magic News Plus Administrator Password Change Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16182

Andromeda Andromeda.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16183

Joomla Vcard Access Information Disclosure Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16185

PHPNuke EV Search Module SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16186

PHPNuke Multiple Modules IMG Tag HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16192

ADOdb Server.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16187

Xoops Pool Module IMG Tag HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16189

Trac HTML WikiProcessor Wiki Content HTML Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16198

Orjinweb Index.PHP Remote File Include Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16199

CaLogic Calendars Add Event Multiple HTML Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16206

MyPhPim Addresses.PHP3 Arbitrary File Upload Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16208

MyPhPim Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16210

Interspire TrackPoint NX Index.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16214

PHP Toolkit for PayPal IPN_success.PHP Logfile Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16218

Wordcircle Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16227

TankLogger General Functions Script SQL Injection Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16228

Light Weight Calendar Index.PHP Remote Command Execution Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16229

MyBB Usercp.PHP SQL Injection Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16230

DCP Portal Multiple Input Validation Vulnerabilities
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16232

 AlstraSoft Template Seller Pro Fullview.PHP Cross-Site Scripting Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16233

EZDatabase Remote PHP Script Code Execution Vulnerability
http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/16237





From evdo.hsdpa at gmail.com  Sat Jan 28 18:19:47 2006
From: evdo.hsdpa at gmail.com (Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:19:47 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP in SecurityFocus #332
In-Reply-To: <20060128181127.A5F07CB3427@mailspool3.panix.com>
References: <20060128181127.A5F07CB3427@mailspool3.panix.com>
Message-ID: <1ec620e90601281519n5a15e517r3de6434f7cb8a27a@mail.gmail.com>

thx for the links

--
Robert Q Kim, Wireless Internet Advisor
http://evdo-coverage.com/cellular-repeater.html
http://hsdpa-coverage.com

2611 S. Pacific Coast Highway 101
Suite 102
Cardiff by the Sea, CA 92007
206 984 0880


From lists at zaunere.com  Sun Jan 29 10:58:53 2006
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 10:58:53 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] NYPHPCon
In-Reply-To: <38321.38.117.147.25.1138463702.squirrel@38.117.147.25>
Message-ID: <012c01c624ec$e7c2e870$7001a8c0@MZ>



Kenneth Downs wrote on Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:55 AM:
> I could not find a deadline for submissions, is there one?
> 
> > 14 Jun - 16 Jun 2006:
> > 
> > http://www.nyphpcon.com/

Not yet - there will be one, but it's open for now.



---
Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP
   www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com




From lists at zaunere.com  Mon Jan 30 10:10:31 2006
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 10:10:31 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FW: conference@nyphp:  Call For Papers Open;
	Show Your Participation; PR
Message-ID: <002901c625af$50e70620$7001a8c0@MZ>


I apologize for the horrible cross-post - and I encourage others not to
reply-all - but we've been receiving comments that folks haven't been
hearing about announcements and events since they're not on the Announce
list.

Please be sure to subscribe to the moderated Announce list
(http://www.nyphp.org/lists) since announcements are *not* typically
cross-posted.

This announcement is quite significant since it announces the call for
papers is open for NYPHPCon 2006 and more details.

Thanks all,

---
Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP
   www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com



New York PHP wrote on Monday, January 30, 2006 8:42 AM:
> News From NYPHPCon 2006
> -----------------------
> 
> This last week has been a great one for conference progress.  Here's the
> latest: 
> 
> -- Sign-Up Now To Lock in Your Early Bird Discount
> 	http://www.nyphpcon.com/attendee_registration.php
> 
> -- The Call For Papers is Now Open
> 	http://www.nyphpcon.com/call_for_papers.php
> 
> -- Show That You Are Helping the Conference
> 	http://www.nyphpcon.com/show_participation.php
> 
> -- Official Press Release is Available
> 	http://www.nyphpcon.com/NYPHPCon06PR.pdf
> 
> 
> We continue to bring on new sponsors and already have received a number
> of great looking papers.  But we can always use your help.  Spread the
> word to speakers and sponsors, or be one yourself.  
> 
> ---
> Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP
>    www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com



From krook at us.ibm.com  Mon Jan 30 12:40:23 2006
From: krook at us.ibm.com (Daniel Krook)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 09:40:23 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PEAR DB ODBC broken after 5.0.4 -> 5.1.1 [update]
Message-ID: <OF1C73DF08.E550E933-ON88257106.0060A19E-88257106.00611399@us.ibm.com>

I solved the issue described in my earlier post by downgrading to the 
latest 5.0 release, 5.0.5.     Still not sure exactly where the problem 
was, but I think the solution for others that want to use PHP 5.1.x with 
DB2 is to use PDO and the new ibm_db2 driver instead of PEAR and ODBC.

http://lists.nyphp.org/pipermail/talk/2006-January/017539.html



Daniel Krook, Content Tools Developer
Global Production Services - Tools, ibm.com

http://bluepages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
http://blogpages.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/
http://bookmarks.redirect.webahead.ibm.com/




From dmintz at davidmintz.org  Mon Jan 30 12:42:52 2006
From: dmintz at davidmintz.org (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:42:52 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] command line warning "...these options need to
 match"
In-Reply-To: <1ec620e90601271957q576d4fdobb5cc3f9f5bbab37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601181546370.43229@emra.pair.com>
	<43CEB4D4.4050307@simmons.edu>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0601271237460.56525@emra.pair.com>
	<1ec620e90601271957q576d4fdobb5cc3f9f5bbab37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601301238500.13924@emra.pair.com>


On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, Jonathan Hendler wrote:

> If these are extensions loaded via your php.ini then you can go through
> each individually and shut them on and off one at a time. And reload the
> extension.
> Otherwise won't show up in your list of "loaded" extensions because it
> failed to load.
> You can also look in your app for a ".so" or ".dll" if you are on
> windows. As I said, distrobutions of ADODB often include a .so.
>
>

I am on Fedora Core 4 and I built this Apache myself, and built PHP with
'./configure' '--with-gd' '--with-curl' '--with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql'
'--enable-inline-optimization' '--with-apxs=/usr/local/apache/bin/apxs'
'--enable-exif' '--with-zlib-dir=/usr/local/lib' '--with-openssl'
'--with-mcrypt' '--with-mysqli=/usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql_config'
'--with-tidy' '--enable-soap' '--with-xsl' '--with-xml' '--with-mhash'
'--with-jpeg-dir=/usr/lib' As best I can tell most of this stuff is not
loaded via php.ini but I will look again and play around some more.
Thanks.


On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor wrote:

> david... try a bigger php forum... cant help ya.
>

OK, thanks for trying.


---
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their
persons, houses, papers, and effects, against
unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon
probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation,
and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


From scott at crisscott.com  Mon Jan 30 13:24:21 2006
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:24:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] command line warning "...these options need to
	match"
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601301238500.13924@emra.pair.com>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58.0601181546370.43229@emra.pair.com>	<43CEB4D4.4050307@simmons.edu>	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0601271237460.56525@emra.pair.com>	<1ec620e90601271957q576d4fdobb5cc3f9f5bbab37@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.BSF.4.58.0601301238500.13924@emra.pair.com>
Message-ID: <43DE59D5.1060302@crisscott.com>

David Mintz wrote:
> 
> I am on Fedora Core 4 and I built this Apache myself, and built PHP with
> './configure' '--with-gd' '--with-curl' '--with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql'
> '--enable-inline-optimization' '--with-apxs=/usr/local/apache/bin/apxs'
> '--enable-exif' '--with-zlib-dir=/usr/local/lib' '--with-openssl'
> '--with-mcrypt' '--with-mysqli=/usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql_config'
> '--with-tidy' '--enable-soap' '--with-xsl' '--with-xml' '--with-mhash'
> '--with-jpeg-dir=/usr/lib' As best I can tell most of this stuff is not
> loaded via php.ini but I will look again and play around some more.
> Thanks.

Check the files in /etc/php.d/ One of those may be trying to load an 
extension. The files in that directory are parsed after php.ini and are 
just mini php.ini extracts. For example, I have a file 
/etc/php.d/mysqli.ini that has an extension=mysqli.so directive.

-- 
Scott Mattocks
http://www.crisscott.com


From alex at pilgrimstudio.com  Mon Jan 30 15:30:00 2006
From: alex at pilgrimstudio.com (Alexander)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 13:30:00 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Object conversion
Message-ID: <1243.216.223.218.202.1138653000.squirrel@pilgrimstudio.com>

Hello,

I'm kind of newbie in PHP and especially in OO PHP.
I was wondering whether object conversion is possible if one is derived
from another , like this:

clase Base { .. }

class A extends Base { .. }

will that be possible to:

$objBase = new Base();
$objA = new A();

$objA = $objBase;

???


From andrew at plexpod.com  Mon Jan 30 21:25:02 2006
From: andrew at plexpod.com (Andrew Yochum)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:25:02 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Object conversion
In-Reply-To: <1243.216.223.218.202.1138653000.squirrel@pilgrimstudio.com>
References: <1243.216.223.218.202.1138653000.squirrel@pilgrimstudio.com>
Message-ID: <20060131022501.GD22027@desario.homelinux.net>

On Mon, Jan 30, 2006 at 01:30:00PM -0700, Alexander wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm kind of newbie in PHP and especially in OO PHP.
> I was wondering whether object conversion is possible if one is derived
> from another , like this:
> 
> clase Base { .. }
> 
> class A extends Base { .. }
> 
> will that be possible to:
> 
> $objBase = new Base();
> $objA = new A();
> 
> $objA = $objBase;

What you've done above is make $objA a reference to $objBase - no
"conversion".

You might've meant you'd like to downcast it to a Base object.  TMK,
downcasting is not supported at all in PHP.  It is commonly frowned upon in
other languages because of problems that can arise.  In fact Java 1.5 even
added features 5 which resemble, or are even identical to templates in C++
(shudder<andrew> ... ;-) to avoid having to do it in the common cases like
collections.  Anyway, I digress...

If you were to do this in PHP it *might* resemble its counterparts in
other languages:
    $objAlikeBase = (Base) $objA;
But like I said, you can't in PHP.  You may only cast between the
primatives, not classes.

If you really think you need to do this, give a better example of what
your looking to do.

Don't forget that an instance of class that extends another has the
methods and properties of *both* classes or even interfaces.  It can
also be used as both when code requires it like:

    class shape { }
    interface printable{ }
    class circle extends shape implements printable { }

    function draw(shape $o) { }
    function myprint(printable $o) { }

    $dot = new circle();

    draw($dot);
    myprint($dot);

HTH,
Andrew

-- 
Andrew Yochum
Plexpod
andrew at plexpod.com
718-360-0879


From scott at crisscott.com  Tue Jan 31 08:51:32 2006
From: scott at crisscott.com (Scott Mattocks)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:51:32 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FW: conference@nyphp:  Call For Papers Open;
 Show Your Participation; PR
In-Reply-To: <002901c625af$50e70620$7001a8c0@MZ>
References: <002901c625af$50e70620$7001a8c0@MZ>
Message-ID: <43DF6B64.3020706@crisscott.com>

Hi Hans,

Hans Zaunere wrote:

> This announcement is quite significant since it announces the call for
> papers is open for NYPHPCon 2006 and more details.

Just curious, but why haven't I seen this in more places? I have only 
seen the announcement here and on php-mag.net. Actually, only one of the 
sponsors even has a mention on their site (phpdeveloper.org). I was 
expecting to see the CfP on php.net and phparch.com at least. Is there 
anything us mailing list subscribers can do to help spread the word?

Thanks,
-- 
Scott Mattocks
http://www.crisscott.com


From alex at pilgrimstudio.com  Tue Jan 31 09:19:34 2006
From: alex at pilgrimstudio.com (Alexander)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:19:34 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Object conversion
In-Reply-To: <20060131022501.GD22027@desario.homelinux.net>
References: <1243.216.223.218.202.1138653000.squirrel@pilgrimstudio.com>
	<20060131022501.GD22027@desario.homelinux.net>
Message-ID: <1305.216.223.218.202.1138717174.squirrel@pilgrimstudio.com>

Thank you for detailed explanation...basically I was trying to do the
following:

Object of the base class($objBase) containing some data which I want to
copy to object of the derived class($objA). So I was looking for different
approches to this 'problem', and I was questioning myself if it is
possible to do that with type-casting, which you said is not supported in
PHP :) I guess it's good :)

code is somewhat like that

class Base
{
  var $a;
  var $b;
  var $c;
...
}

class A extends Base
{
  var $d;
  var $e;


function SomeKindOfTransormation(Base-type parameter)
{
//here I was trying to copy all data from argument
//as after it will be transormed and stored in the same variables

}

}


btw, as I'm using PHP4 is there any way to define function-member of the
class outside the class?

> What you've done above is make $objA a reference to $objBase - no
> "conversion".
>
> You might've meant you'd like to downcast it to a Base object.  TMK,
> downcasting is not supported at all in PHP.  It is commonly frowned upon
> in
> other languages because of problems that can arise.  In fact Java 1.5 even
> added features 5 which resemble, or are even identical to templates in C++
> (shudder<andrew> ... ;-) to avoid having to do it in the common cases like
> collections.  Anyway, I digress...
>
> If you were to do this in PHP it *might* resemble its counterparts in
> other languages:
>     $objAlikeBase = (Base) $objA;
> But like I said, you can't in PHP.  You may only cast between the
> primatives, not classes.
>
> If you really think you need to do this, give a better example of what
> your looking to do.
>
> Don't forget that an instance of class that extends another has the
> methods and properties of *both* classes or even interfaces.  It can
> also be used as both when code requires it like:
>
>     class shape { }
>     interface printable{ }
>     class circle extends shape implements printable { }
>
>     function draw(shape $o) { }
>     function myprint(printable $o) { }
>
>     $dot = new circle();
>
>     draw($dot);
>     myprint($dot);



From dcech at phpwerx.net  Tue Jan 31 09:33:55 2006
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:33:55 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Object conversion
In-Reply-To: <1305.216.223.218.202.1138717174.squirrel@pilgrimstudio.com>
References: <1243.216.223.218.202.1138653000.squirrel@pilgrimstudio.com>	<20060131022501.GD22027@desario.homelinux.net>
	<1305.216.223.218.202.1138717174.squirrel@pilgrimstudio.com>
Message-ID: <43DF7553.8070907@phpwerx.net>

Alexander wrote:
> Thank you for detailed explanation...basically I was trying to do the
> following:
> 
> Object of the base class($objBase) containing some data which I want to
> copy to object of the derived class($objA). So I was looking for different
> approches to this 'problem', and I was questioning myself if it is
> possible to do that with type-casting, which you said is not supported in
> PHP :) I guess it's good :)

In PHP4 you could use a variant of the factory pattern, something like:

class Base
{
   var $a;
}

class A
{
   var $a;
   var $b;

   function &frombase(&$base)
   {
     $a =& new A();
     $a->a =& $base->a;

     return $a;
   }
}

$obj =& new Base();

$obj = a::frombase($obj);

Note the use of the assign-by-reference operator, which should ensure 
that any internal and external references are kept intact (I think).

Dan


From hendler at simmons.edu  Tue Jan 31 09:34:15 2006
From: hendler at simmons.edu (Jonathan Hendler)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:34:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Redirect and ob_flush()
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From shiflett at php.net  Tue Jan 31 10:16:10 2006
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:16:10 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Redirect and ob_flush()
In-Reply-To: <43DF7567.2090406@simmons.edu>
References: <1243.216.223.218.202.1138653000.squirrel@pilgrimstudio.com>
	<20060131022501.GD22027@desario.homelinux.net>
	<1305.216.223.218.202.1138717174.squirrel@pilgrimstudio.com>
	<43DF7567.2090406@simmons.edu>
Message-ID: <43DF7F3A.1030803@php.net>

Jonathan Hendler wrote:
> Has anyone been able to get around the issue of the HTTP header
> Connection: close being ignored by server/client?

Sending this header is a courtesy. It doesn't dictate whether you can 
close the connection - it just provides a means to notify the other party.

In addition, this header is used to alter the default behavior. In 
HTTP/1.1, keep-alive is the default behavior. In HTTP/1.0, it's not.

> You would use this if you want to execute a redirect and then
> continue with a bunch of other code without the client being
> delayed.

Remember that you're still just sending an HTTP response. If it has a 
3xx status code and a Location header, the client will request the new 
resource, but it can't know about it prior to receiving the original 3xx 
response.

> If you run the code below you will observe a 30 second delay.
> The desired behaviour is that after the the flush(); the client
> moves on.

There are a few things to consider. First, you want to be sure that the 
use of flush() is forcing a chunked response. Use something like 
LiveHTTPHeaders to verify this. (If you see a Content-Length header, 
that's problem number one.)

If you're issuing a chunked response, you want to make sure that the 
client receives the response line and all of the HTTP headers before 30 
seconds have passed. After all, it can't redirect before it is asked to.

Lastly, you want to be sure that other systems aren't buffering this 
response and interfering with your plan. If you're using mod_gzip, 
Apache is likely buffering the response, waiting the full 30 seconds 
before sending it to the client (compressed). Internet Explorer buffers, 
so that it doesn't begin to render until it has received a significant 
portion of the response (making its rendering appear faster, although 
the overall delivery is actually slower).

It's not required that a client abort a transaction as soon as it knows 
it must request another resource, but these are the major 
characteristics you want to check to make that scenario possible.

Hope that helps.

Chris

-- 
Chris Shiflett
Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy
http://brainbulb.com/


From hendler at simmons.edu  Tue Jan 31 10:36:45 2006
From: hendler at simmons.edu (Jonathan Hendler)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:36:45 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Redirect and ob_flush()
In-Reply-To: <43DF7F3A.1030803@php.net>
References: <1243.216.223.218.202.1138653000.squirrel@pilgrimstudio.com>	<20060131022501.GD22027@desario.homelinux.net>	<1305.216.223.218.202.1138717174.squirrel@pilgrimstudio.com>	<43DF7567.2090406@simmons.edu>
	<43DF7F3A.1030803@php.net>
Message-ID: <43DF840D.70004@simmons.edu>

Thanks Chris -
I respond inline below:

Chris Shiflett wrote:

>Jonathan Hendler wrote:
>  
>
>>Has anyone been able to get around the issue of the HTTP header
>>Connection: close being ignored by server/client?
>>    
>>
>
>Sending this header is a courtesy. It doesn't dictate whether you can 
>close the connection - it just provides a means to notify the other party.
>  
>
It seems to work in some cases - see below.

>In addition, this header is used to alter the default behavior. In 
>HTTP/1.1, keep-alive is the default behavior. In HTTP/1.0, it's not.
>  
>
I though Connection: close was HTTP/1.1 only, and not HTTP/1.0
I tried adding header("Cache-Control: no-cache");  with no luck also.

>>You would use this if you want to execute a redirect and then
>>continue with a bunch of other code without the client being
>>delayed.
>>    
>>
>
>Remember that you're still just sending an HTTP response. If it has a 
>3xx status code and a Location header, the client will request the new 
>resource, but it can't know about it prior to receiving the original 3xx 
>response.
>  
>
If I understand you, I think that's ok. There is only one 302/Location sent.

>>If you run the code below you will observe a 30 second delay.
>>The desired behaviour is that after the the flush(); the client
>>moves on.
>>    
>>
>
>There are a few things to consider. First, you want to be sure that the 
>use of flush() is forcing a chunked response. Use something like 
>LiveHTTPHeaders to verify this. (If you see a Content-Length header, 
>that's problem number one.)
>  
>
It's chunked, no content-length header.

>If you're issuing a chunked response, you want to make sure that the 
>client receives the response line and all of the HTTP headers before 30 
>seconds have passed. After all, it can't redirect before it is asked to.
>  
>
I used apache ab to verify  with the -v 3 option - the headers are sent 
when I want them to be.
But I do get : "WARNING: Response code not 2xx (302)"
Interestingly wget follows the redirect instantly  - and the rest of the 
code still triggers correctly - so Connection: close isn't ignored by it.
Also, I notice that although I try to force a http/1.0 in apache, if the 
request is 1.1 it send a 1.1 - and also adds a /Content-Type: text/html; 
charset=ISO-8859-1
/after the the Connect: close

>Lastly, you want to be sure that other systems aren't buffering this 
>response and interfering with your plan. If you're using mod_gzip, 
>Apache is likely buffering the response, waiting the full 30 seconds 
>before sending it to the client (compressed). Internet Explorer buffers, 
>so that it doesn't begin to render until it has received a significant 
>portion of the response (making its rendering appear faster, although 
>the overall delivery is actually slower).
>
>  
>
Observed in IIS, Apache, Firefox, IE etc, etc. Granted, there's still 
possibly a gotcha in there.

>It's not required that a client abort a transaction as soon as it knows 
>it must request another resource, but these are the major 
>characteristics you want to check to make that scenario possible.
>  
>
That's the problem - it doesn't seem like there is a way to /require/ 
the abort.



From ldhasson at us.ibm.com  Tue Jan 31 15:47:34 2006
From: ldhasson at us.ibm.com (Laurent Hasson)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:47:34 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Laurent Hasson/Hawthorne/IBM is out of the office.
Message-ID: <OF72E61AA0.5B74B46D-ON85257107.00723805-85257107.00723805@us.ibm.com>

I will be out of the office starting  2006.01.31 and will not return until
2006.02.04.

I will be away on personal business for teh rest of the week with limited
to no access to a network. For Search related issues, please contact Aya
Soffer. For JWL related issues, please contact Brendan Murray or Jim
Colson. For general Porta/Workplace Content issues, please contact John
Schumacher or Greg Melahn.



From keith at keithjr.net  Tue Jan 31 15:57:47 2006
From: keith at keithjr.net (Keith Richardson)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:57:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LARGE mysql database performance
Message-ID: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>

So I am writing a "security camera" app at work, and using mysql/php. I have
the cameras uploading snapshots via ftp to the server.

Now for dealing with the images, and indexing them for easy searching, I
want to throw the info into a mysql database. I wouldnt mind also sticking
the image data in the table too, so that you HAD to go through the app to
view the images instead of direct url linking, but was wondering, how does
mysql react with a 20-30gb database? would this be very bad? I have run a
forum that used vbulletin with about a 500mb database, but that did not have
any issues at all.... but 20-30gb is quite the large database :p

Any thoughts or experiences?

--
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From spangia at redcent.net  Tue Jan 31 16:07:20 2006
From: spangia at redcent.net (Sean Pangia)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:07:20 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LARGE mysql database performance
In-Reply-To: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43DFD188.4070208@redcent.net>

is non-direct linking the only advantage to be gained? if so, why not
just use PHP to do a file read from an htaccess protected directory
where the actual images live? same result -- people have to go through
the app.


Keith Richardson wrote:

> So I am writing a "security camera" app at work, and using mysql/php. I 
> have the cameras uploading snapshots via ftp to the server.
> 
> Now for dealing with the images, and indexing them for easy searching, I 
> want to throw the info into a mysql database. I wouldnt mind also 
> sticking the image data in the table too, so that you HAD to go through 
> the app to view the images instead of direct url linking, but was 
> wondering, how does mysql react with a 20-30gb database? would this be 
> very bad? I have run a forum that used vbulletin with about a 500mb 
> database, but that did not have any issues at all.... but 20-30gb is 
> quite the large database :p
> 
> Any thoughts or experiences?
> 
> -- 
> Keith Richardson
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From sailer at bnl.gov  Tue Jan 31 16:08:17 2006
From: sailer at bnl.gov (Tim Sailer)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:08:17 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LARGE mysql database performance
In-Reply-To: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060131210816.GA15636@bnl.gov>

On Tue, Jan 31, 2006 at 03:57:47PM -0500, Keith Richardson wrote:
> So I am writing a "security camera" app at work, and using mysql/php. I have
> the cameras uploading snapshots via ftp to the server.
> 
> Now for dealing with the images, and indexing them for easy searching, I
> want to throw the info into a mysql database. I wouldnt mind also sticking
> the image data in the table too, so that you HAD to go through the app to
> view the images instead of direct url linking, but was wondering, how does
> mysql react with a 20-30gb database? would this be very bad? I have run a
> forum that used vbulletin with about a 500mb database, but that did not have
> any issues at all.... but 20-30gb is quite the large database :p
> 
> Any thoughts or experiences?

I'm not sure what you consider 'large', but I work with tables that are
averaging 500,000,000 records, and about 60G, with a single multi-key
index. I had to switch to Innodb to actually get the inserts to work
with any speed (concurrency issues), but query speed went down about 15%.

Tim

-- 
Tim Sailer <sailer at bnl.gov> 
Information and Special Technologies Program
Northeast Regional Counterintelligence Office
Brookhaven National Laboratory  (631) 344-3001


From volcimaster at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 16:09:33 2006
From: volcimaster at gmail.com (Warren Myers)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:09:33 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LARGE mysql database performance
In-Reply-To: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cd08a04c0601311309l78218a92h1fc22fee93bb7555@mail.gmail.com>

Well, slashdot runs on MySQL, and they don't have too many problems with
handling large quantities of both data and users.

WMM

On 1/31/06, Keith Richardson <keith at keithjr.net> wrote:
>
> So I am writing a "security camera" app at work, and using mysql/php. I
> have the cameras uploading snapshots via ftp to the server.
>
> Now for dealing with the images, and indexing them for easy searching, I
> want to throw the info into a mysql database. I wouldnt mind also sticking
> the image data in the table too, so that you HAD to go through the app to
> view the images instead of direct url linking, but was wondering, how does
> mysql react with a 20-30gb database? would this be very bad? I have run a
> forum that used vbulletin with about a 500mb database, but that did not have
> any issues at all.... but 20-30gb is quite the large database :p
>
> Any thoughts or experiences?
>
> --
> Keith Richardson
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> New York PHP Conference and Expo 2006
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
>
>


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From cliff at pinestream.com  Tue Jan 31 16:20:01 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:20:01 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LARGE mysql database performance
In-Reply-To: <20060131210816.GA15636@bnl.gov>
Message-ID: <00c001c626ac$18b65230$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

Can you define "any speed"?
----
I'm not sure what you consider 'large', but I work with tables that are
averaging 500,000,000 records, and about 60G, with a single multi-key
index. I had to switch to Innodb to actually get the inserts to work
with any speed (concurrency issues), but query speed went down about
15%.



From edwardpotter at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 16:30:49 2006
From: edwardpotter at gmail.com (edward potter)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:30:49 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LARGE mysql database performance
In-Reply-To: <cd08a04c0601311309l78218a92h1fc22fee93bb7555@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
	<cd08a04c0601311309l78218a92h1fc22fee93bb7555@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c5949a380601311330k6622ee6cmc580f04561115f61@mail.gmail.com>

My understanding is all the GOOG adsense, adwords delivery back-end
also uses MySQL?  Can't get any bigger then that!

GOOG earnings at 4:30.  The street awaits!  :-)  ed

On 1/31/06, Warren Myers <volcimaster at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, slashdot runs on MySQL, and they don't have too many problems with
> handling large quantities of both data and users.
>
> WMM
>
>
> On 1/31/06, Keith Richardson <keith at keithjr.net> wrote:
> >
> > So I am writing a "security camera" app at work, and using mysql/php. I
> have the cameras uploading snapshots via ftp to the server.
> >
> > Now for dealing with the images, and indexing them for easy searching, I
> want to throw the info into a mysql database. I wouldnt mind also sticking
> the image data in the table too, so that you HAD to go through the app to
> view the images instead of direct url linking, but was wondering, how does
> mysql react with a 20-30gb database? would this be very bad? I have run a
> forum that used vbulletin with about a 500mb database, but that did not have
> any issues at all.... but 20-30gb is quite the large database :p
> >
> > Any thoughts or experiences?
> >
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From hendler at simmons.edu  Tue Jan 31 17:23:22 2006
From: hendler at simmons.edu (Jonathan Hendler)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:23:22 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LARGE mysql database performance
In-Reply-To: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43DFE35A.9030209@simmons.edu>

Keep the images on the filesystem - out of a BLOB record.
Map the filesystem, meta data and other stuff into the database.

MySQL though could handle this app.
Clustering means MySQL is scalable in a way that you aren't too limited 
by the database performance.

Keith Richardson wrote:

> So I am writing a "security camera" app at work, and using mysql/php. 
> I have the cameras uploading snapshots via ftp to the server.
>
> Now for dealing with the images, and indexing them for easy searching, 
> I want to throw the info into a mysql database. I wouldnt mind also 
> sticking the image data in the table too, so that you HAD to go 
> through the app to view the images instead of direct url linking, but 
> was wondering, how does mysql react with a 20-30gb database? would 
> this be very bad? I have run a forum that used vbulletin with about a 
> 500mb database, but that did not have any issues at all.... but 
> 20-30gb is quite the large database :p
>
> Any thoughts or experiences?
>
> -- 
> Keith Richardson
>
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>



From cliff at pinestream.com  Tue Jan 31 17:45:32 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:45:32 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to return a calculated result or zero
Message-ID: <000001c626b8$0aeeadd0$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

This has been driving me nuts:
 
$result = ($some calculation > 0)
                   ? $some calculation
                    : 0;
 
Sure it works, but ugly, ugly, ugly...
 
I run across this situation so often that I figured there must be a
built-in function. Ceiling, floor, mean, cosine. std...my grade school
memory is long gone.
 
After one last search, I came across this, which is pretty close:
 
$result = max($some calculation, 0);
 
Happy day...
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From tedd at sperling.com  Tue Jan 31 17:53:19 2006
From: tedd at sperling.com (tedd)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:53:19 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LARGE mysql database performance
In-Reply-To: <43DFE35A.9030209@simmons.edu>
References: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
	<43DFE35A.9030209@simmons.edu>
Message-ID: <p06230901c0059964cbae@[192.168.0.100]>

>Keep the images on the filesystem - out of a BLOB record.

Why?

>Map the filesystem, meta data and other stuff into the database.

Isn't there a limit to the number of files that can reside in one 
directory? If so, then how do you handle managing what is mapped 
where?

tedd

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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From hendler at simmons.edu  Tue Jan 31 17:53:42 2006
From: hendler at simmons.edu (Jonathan Hendler)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:53:42 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LARGE mysql database performance
In-Reply-To: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43DFEA76.7090205@simmons.edu>

As a follow up:

If you want users not to directly access images you can handle this 
through mod_rewrite in apache and/or just pipe all images through a php 
buffer....
But that's a bit slow.


Keith Richardson wrote:

> So I am writing a "security camera" app at work, and using mysql/php. 
> I have the cameras uploading snapshots via ftp to the server.
>
> Now for dealing with the images, and indexing them for easy searching, 
> I want to throw the info into a mysql database. I wouldnt mind also 
> sticking the image data in the table too, so that you HAD to go 
> through the app to view the images instead of direct url linking, but 
> was wondering, how does mysql react with a 20-30gb database? would 
> this be very bad? I have run a forum that used vbulletin with about a 
> 500mb database, but that did not have any issues at all.... but 
> 20-30gb is quite the large database :p
>
> Any thoughts or experiences?
>
> -- 
> Keith Richardson
>
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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Tue Jan 31 17:59:51 2006
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 14:59:51 -0800
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LARGE mysql database performance
In-Reply-To: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3523-01490@sneakemail.com>

Keith Richardson keith-at-keithjr.net |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

> So I am writing a "security camera" app at work, and using mysql/php. 
> I have the cameras uploading snapshots via ftp to the server.
>
> Now for dealing with the images, and indexing them for easy searching, 
> I want to throw the info into a mysql database. I wouldnt mind also 
> sticking the image data in the table too, so that you HAD to go 
> through the app to view the images instead of direct url linking, but 
> was wondering, how does mysql react with a 20-30gb database? would 
> this be very bad? I have run a forum that used vbulletin with about a 
> 500mb database, but that did not have any issues at all.... but 
> 20-30gb is quite the large database :p
>
> Any thoughts or experiences?
>
> -- 
> Keith Richardson
>
This may not be anything close to what you want to do, but have you seen 
ZoneMinder?
http://www.zoneminder.com/

-=john andrews http://www.seo-fun.com





From cahoyos at us.ibm.com  Tue Jan 31 18:15:14 2006
From: cahoyos at us.ibm.com (Carlos A Hoyos)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:15:14 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to return a calculated result or zero
In-Reply-To: <000001c626b8$0aeeadd0$0aa8a8c0@cliff>
Message-ID: <OF61EB5964.D8742415-ON85257107.007F9769-85257107.007FBCFB@us.ibm.com>


Sorry to nit-pick, but why is this one so ugly? I might come from the "c"
school, but I honestly find

$result = ($calculation > 0) ? $calculation : 0;

easy to read (and a little sexy too).

If you want a math formula, how about:

$result = ($calculation + sqrt($calculation * $calculation)) / 2;

now if you ask me, that one is ugly, ugly, ugly ;-)



talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org wrote on 01/31/2006 05:45:32 PM:

> This has been driving me nuts:
>
> $result = ($some calculation > 0)
>                    ? $some calculation
>                     : 0;
>
> Sure it works, but ugly, ugly, ugly...



From cliff at pinestream.com  Tue Jan 31 18:19:44 2006
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:19:44 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to return a calculated result or zero
In-Reply-To: <OF61EB5964.D8742415-ON85257107.007F9769-85257107.007FBCFB@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c626bc$d1f2df60$0aa8a8c0@cliff>

I know, I am making something out of nothing. The only real issue I see
is that the calculation is performed twice. If we pull the calc out, it
will only be performed once, but than we have an extra temp variable.

-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of Carlos A Hoyos

Sorry to nit-pick, but why is this one so ugly? I might come from the
"c" school, but I honestly find

$result = ($calculation > 0) ? $calculation : 0;

easy to read (and a little sexy too).



From shiflett at php.net  Tue Jan 31 18:21:15 2006
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:21:15 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to return a calculated result or zero
In-Reply-To: <OF61EB5964.D8742415-ON85257107.007F9769-85257107.007FBCFB@us.ibm.com>
References: <OF61EB5964.D8742415-ON85257107.007F9769-85257107.007FBCFB@us.ibm.com>
Message-ID: <43DFF0EB.5000107@php.net>

Carlos A Hoyos wrote:
> Sorry to nit-pick, but why is this one so ugly? I might come from
> the "c" school, but I honestly find
> 
> $result = ($calculation > 0) ? $calculation : 0;
> 
> easy to read (and a little sexy too).

$result = max($calculation, 0);

I'm too sexy. :-)

Chris

-- 
Chris Shiflett
Brain Bulb, The PHP Consultancy
http://brainbulb.com/


From max.goldberg at gmail.com  Tue Jan 31 22:52:47 2006
From: max.goldberg at gmail.com (max goldberg)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:52:47 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LARGE mysql database performance
In-Reply-To: <p06230901c0059964cbae@192.168.0.100>
References: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
	<43DFE35A.9030209@simmons.edu> <p06230901c0059964cbae@192.168.0.100>
Message-ID: <87e6ded30601311952l5168f7fal6307379e5f03aa4c@mail.gmail.com>

Using MySQL as a file server on a large scale is just asking for problems.
I've never heard of it executed well for large numbers of files and it's not
really fit to handle it either.  You don't need to store all the files in
one directory and in reality you shouldn't. There was an informative thread
on NYPHP tittled "[OT] number of files in a directory?" which describes the
hurdles involved with this.

Using InnoDB you should probably be fine, and you will most likely hit 10
million rows of time stamp, camera id, file name before you even see your db
get to 1GB. MySQL is built well enough to handle many GB of data and
hundreds of millions of rows. If you need any sort of concurrency, you are
almost forced to go with InnoDB.

Either way, this is all well within the capabilities of MySQL.

-Cheers

On 1/31/06, tedd <tedd at sperling.com> wrote:
>
> >Keep the images on the filesystem - out of a BLOB record.
>
> Why?
>
> >Map the filesystem, meta data and other stuff into the database.
>
> Isn't there a limit to the number of files that can reside in one
> directory? If so, then how do you handle managing what is mapped
> where?
>
> tedd
>
> --
>
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From lists at zaunere.com  Tue Jan 31 23:27:39 2006
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:27:39 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LARGE mysql database performance
In-Reply-To: <c5949a380601311330k6622ee6cmc580f04561115f61@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101c626e7$d72f4ce0$6401a8c0@MZ>



edward potter wrote on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:31 PM:
> My understanding is all the GOOG adsense, adwords delivery back-end
> also uses MySQL?  Can't get any bigger then that!

Well, some of that is true.  :)

> GOOG earnings at 4:30.  The street awaits!  :-)  ed

Uh oh...

> > > So I am writing a "security camera" app at work, and using mysql/php.
> > > I have the cameras uploading snapshots via ftp to the server.
> > > 
> > > Now for dealing with the images, and indexing them for easy
> > > searching, I 
> > want to throw the info into a mysql database. I wouldnt mind also
> > sticking the image data in the table too, so that you HAD to go through
> > the app to view the images instead of direct url linking, but was

As mentioned already, preventing direct links to files can be easily done
without storing them in a database.

> > wondering, how does mysql react with a 20-30gb database? would this be
> > very bad? I have run a forum that used vbulletin with about a 500mb
> > database, but that did not have any issues at all.... but 20-30gb is
> > quite the large database :p

Just as the size of Google's ad database could be considered large, 30gb
could be considered large, too.

MySQL's performance can vary greatly depending on traffic patterns.  For
instance, read heavy applications can perform well, while read/write
applications can perform poorly.  But mixing storage engines can help.
Putting mostly read-only information (like images, ie, a snapshot is taken
and stored) in a MyISAM table (and potentially different disk), and putting
read/write data in InnoDB (meta data like view counts), can maximize how
MySQL can perform.

And perhaps the most important factor is what constitutes "large."  Are
there a few very large blocks of data, or is that there are many smaller
blocks of data?  These types of considerations have an impact on any data
storage strategy.

> > > Any thoughts or experiences?

I'm generally a fan of storing large static data pieces on the filesystem.
Huge numbers of files can be handled, and throughput can be maximized.

When storing this type of data in a relational database, bits have to be
read from disk, through the database engine, and then through the network,
into a language like PHP, and then again pushed out through the network via
something like Apache.  Compare this with Apache being able to grab a file
directly from disk and pushing it onto the network.  Sure, caching techiques
can help with a database, but they still won't match disk caching.

End of the day, large static data is suited for disk in most architectures.
In extreme cases, Apache won't cut it either.  All the large image caches of
the Internet use the most basic HTTP servers that are optimized for data
delivery, versus something like Apache/PHP that is optimized for
functionality - but that's a different story.  :)



---
Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP
   www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com




From lists at zaunere.com  Tue Jan 31 23:46:39 2006
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:46:39 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FW: conference@nyphp:  Call For Papers Open;
	Show Your Participation; PR
In-Reply-To: <43DF6B64.3020706@crisscott.com>
Message-ID: <002201c626ea$7e9e1590$6401a8c0@MZ>


Hey Scott -

Scott Mattocks wrote on Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:52 AM:
> Hi Hans,
> 
> Hans Zaunere wrote:
> 
> > This announcement is quite significant since it announces the call for
> > papers is open for NYPHPCon 2006 and more details.
> 
> Just curious, but why haven't I seen this in more places? I have only
> seen the announcement here and on php-mag.net. Actually, only one of the

We're still in early phases of promotion (and frankly we're already
surprised by the coverage even now) so NYPHPCon 2006 is getting out there
quickly.
 
> sponsors even has a mention on their site (phpdeveloper.org). I was
> expecting to see the CfP on php.net and phparch.com at least. Is there

A couple of announcements have gone out and will be going live very soon.

> anything us mailing list subscribers can do to help spread the word?

Absolutely.  Take a look at http://www.nyphpcon.com/show_participation.php

As members of New York PHP, you've all made this conference possible.  Even
if you live far from New York, as many on this list do, you're a vital part
of NYPHP.

Talk about the conference on your blogs, forums, signatures, and general web
sites.  The logo/link at http://www.nyphpcon.com/show_participation.php is a
way to get started when mentioning the conference.

The immediate recognition of NYPHPCon 2006 has already been based on the
crucial role NYPHP members play - who's core is this very list.  If there
are any questions or special requests, please don't hesitate to contact me
personally.


Best regards,

---
Hans Zaunere / President / New York PHP
   www.nyphp.org  /  www.nyphp.com




From rolan at omnistep.com  Tue Jan 31 23:49:45 2006
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:49:45 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] LARGE mysql database performance
In-Reply-To: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4e1a9bc0601311257t8717772j165847c94a02a648@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43E03DE9.2040305@omnistep.com>


Keith Richardson wrote:
> So I am writing a "security camera" app at work, and using mysql/php. 
> I have the cameras uploading snapshots via ftp to the server.
>
> Now for dealing with the images, and indexing them for easy searching, 
> I want to throw the info into a mysql database. I wouldnt mind also 
> sticking the image data in the table too, so that you HAD to go 
> through the app to view the images instead of direct url linking, but 
> was wondering, how does mysql react with a 20-30gb database? would 
> this be very bad? I have run a forum that used vbulletin with about a 
> 500mb database, but that did not have any issues at all.... but 
> 20-30gb is quite the large database :p
>
>
I don't think there will be a problem with only 20-30GB, however if you 
want to plan for the future, saving the images as files on the 
filesystem is probably better approach since there is a 2 TB filesize 
limit under ext2/ext3. You should organize the files into some sort of 
nested directory tree. For ideas, examine the structure of the Postfix 
(mail server) queue.

~Rolan