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[Andy Dirnberger]

I usually use http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp as a rough guide.  It shows 94% JavaScript on, 6% off for January 2007.

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From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Mark Withington
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 10:08 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Thoughts on using JavaScript with no progressive fall-back

I agree.  With absolutely no data to back this up, I bet any "serious"
web user has JavaScript on and probably [relatively] up-to-date on their browser version.  So, like the proverbial Willy Sutton reply, [Why do you rob banks, Willy?] "Cause that's where the money is"

Why do we write code with no progressive fall-back? "Cause that's where the money is"

On 2/26/07, Kenneth Downs <ken at secdat.com> wrote:
>
>  Cliff Hirsch wrote:
>  I'm seeing more and more applications that simply do not work if 
> JavaScript is turned off. In fact, I'm looking at purchasing a slick 
> shopping cart that seems great, but I think the lack of progressive fallback is a show stopper.
>
>  Whatever happened to building a robust PHP application and only then 
> layering on the client-side enhancements? To me this lack of 
> progressive fall-back is just laziness, arrogance, or the victim of 
> the usual time pressures. This isn't an opinionated group — right?! So 
> I curious to here what others think.
>
>  It's probably just market trends.  Fewer and fewer people have 
> Javascript turned off (or so it is perceived), and so they are less 
> and less of a constituency.  At some point a person says, why am I 
> bothering with this for? Or, how far back to I have to remain 
> compatible? Then a lot of people say that, and suddenly Javascript is required.
>
>
>
>
>  Are there any data sources that measure what browsers people are 
> using today and what percentage of people turn JS off or don't have it?
>
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