From michael.southwell at nyphp.com  Tue May  1 11:33:48 2007
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 11:33:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form spoofing
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070501113111.028cb6c0@mail.optonline.net>

I thought I was following best practices ( 
http://www.nyphp.org/phundamentals/spoofed_submission.php ) in 
creating a comment form for a restaurant client (There is no security 
issue here; the comments are emailed):

I stored a random token in the session:

session_start();
if ( ! isset( $_SESSION['secret'] ) ) $_SESSION['secret'] = uniqid( 
rand(), TRUE );

I hid that token in the form:

<form action="comments.php" method="post" onSubmit="return checkForm(this)">
<input type="hidden" name="secret" value="<?= $_SESSION['secret'] ?>" />

Upon submission, I checked for the token:

if ( $_POST['secret'] !== $_SESSION['secret'] ) die( 'invalid form 
submission' );

But I still got obvious spoofed submissions, not very many of them, 
and all vapid and often nonsensical (a sample: "I consider that 
beside Your site there is future!"), but still maddening.  So I added 
a five-minute timeout:

if ( ! isset( $_SESSION['timeout'] ) ) {
   $timeout = time() + 5 * 60;
   $_SESSION['timeout'] = $timeout;
}

and checked for that as well:

$now = time();
if ( $_POST['secret'] !== $_SESSION['secret'] || $now > 
$_SESSION['timeout'] ) die( 'invalid form submission' );

But this hasn't helped much; I still get a few of them, though I 
can't figure out how they can be generated.  Any advice?


Michael Southwell, Vice President for Education
New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.com/training - In-depth PHP Training Courses




From rolan at omnistep.com  Tue May  1 11:42:07 2007
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 11:42:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form spoofing
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070501113111.028cb6c0@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20070501113111.028cb6c0@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <46375FCF.2060403@omnistep.com>

Michael Southwell wrote:
> I thought I was following best practices ( 
> http://www.nyphp.org/phundamentals/spoofed_submission.php ) in 
> creating a comment form for a restaurant client (There is no security 
> issue here; the comments are emailed):
>
snip
> But this hasn't helped much; I still get a few of them, though I can't 
> figure out how they can be generated.  Any advice?

They are probably spam robots crawling the web, not spoofers. I manage a 
fairly large restaurant reservation site and we receive a lot of 
feedback spam from the web forms daily. I put a regex expression check 
for "http://" more than once in the content. If it exists, then I tag 
the subject of the email with "SPAM". My client still receives the 
feedback email, but at least they can sort most of the spam from the 
nonspam in their mail client.

~Rolan


From rmarscher at beaffinitive.com  Tue May  1 11:57:54 2007
From: rmarscher at beaffinitive.com (Rob Marscher)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 11:57:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form spoofing
In-Reply-To: <46375FCF.2060403@omnistep.com>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20070501113111.028cb6c0@mail.optonline.net>
	<46375FCF.2060403@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <09090300-FDB6-41B6-8523-1F779501E34A@beaffinitive.com>

> But this hasn't helped much; I still get a few of them, though I  
> can't figure out how they can be generated.  Any advice?

Yeah... you could add a spam/bayesian filter to your form processing  
or use a web service like Akismet to see if it may be spam.

Another option would be to log the user-agent and ip address that was  
used so you can track down what the spider was using.  You may get  
lucky and find that it's coming from a specific user-agent/ip and be  
able to easily throw away the form submissions from it (you don't  
want to block it outright because it might detect that it's being  
blocked and change its user-agent or something).

Of course, if I was a spammer, I'd use a normal user-agent and spoof  
a different ip each time... in which case a spam filter is your only  
defense (I think).

-Rob


From lists at enobrev.com  Tue May  1 12:19:34 2007
From: lists at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 12:19:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form spoofing
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070501113111.028cb6c0@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20070501113111.028cb6c0@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <033201c78c0c$83ff6ec0$6400a8c0@enobrev>

A simple but effective method I used on a couple of my clients' sites was
the hidden text field with an obvious name.

The field name is usually "email" (actual email field is something like
'user_email') - and hidden via css, not an actual type="hidden".  As long as
it's submitted and empty, I can be somewhat sure the submission came from my
form and probably wasn't filled by a bot. 

// the form

<style>
	#email {
		display: none;
	}
</style>
<form method="post" action="/processor/">
	<input type="text" name="email" value="" id="email" /><br />
	<input type="text" name="user_email" value="" /><br />
	<input type="submit" />
</form>

// the processor

if (array_key_exists('email', $_POST)
&&  strlen($_POST['email']) == 0) {
    // ok
} else {
    // spoofed
} 

Not necessarily hard to beat, but it killed all of the automated form posts
my clients were receiving.

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org 
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Michael Southwell
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 11:34 AM
> To: talk at lists.nyphp.org
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] form spoofing
> 
> I thought I was following best practices ( 
> http://www.nyphp.org/phundamentals/spoofed_submission.php ) 
> in creating a comment form for a restaurant client (There is 
> no security issue here; the comments are emailed):
> 
> I stored a random token in the session:
> 
> session_start();
> if ( ! isset( $_SESSION['secret'] ) ) $_SESSION['secret'] = 
> uniqid( rand(), TRUE );
> 
> I hid that token in the form:
> 
> <form action="comments.php" method="post" onSubmit="return 
> checkForm(this)"> <input type="hidden" name="secret" 
> value="<?= $_SESSION['secret'] ?>" />
> 
> Upon submission, I checked for the token:
> 
> if ( $_POST['secret'] !== $_SESSION['secret'] ) die( 'invalid 
> form submission' );
> 
> But I still got obvious spoofed submissions, not very many of 
> them, and all vapid and often nonsensical (a sample: "I 
> consider that beside Your site there is future!"), but still 
> maddening.  So I added a five-minute timeout:
> 
> if ( ! isset( $_SESSION['timeout'] ) ) {
>    $timeout = time() + 5 * 60;
>    $_SESSION['timeout'] = $timeout;
> }
> 
> and checked for that as well:
> 
> $now = time();
> if ( $_POST['secret'] !== $_SESSION['secret'] || $now > 
> $_SESSION['timeout'] ) die( 'invalid form submission' );
> 
> But this hasn't helped much; I still get a few of them, 
> though I can't figure out how they can be generated.  Any advice?
> 
> 
> Michael Southwell, Vice President for Education
> New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.com/training - In-depth PHP Training Courses
> 
> 
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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Tue May  1 12:47:37 2007
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 09:47:37 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form spoofing
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070501113111.028cb6c0@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20070501113111.028cb6c0@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <17459-04598@sneakemail.com>

Hi Michael.

Can you think of any good reason to accept a submission via a known open 
proxy? You can grab a maintained open proxy list and use it for a while 
Rolan-style... to tag potential spam as an experiment. Every market is 
different, but in the tech world I see no valid reason to accept 
connections from known open proxies (they are always spam). As a 
competitive SEO, I know of no easier way to automate web connections 
than via open proxies.

Bot nets are still a problem and all the big boys use them so maybe get 
used to a little spam here and there as well.

-=john


Michael Southwell michael.southwell-at-nyphp.com |nyphp dev/internal 
group use| wrote:

> I thought I was following best practices ( 
> http://www.nyphp.org/phundamentals/spoofed_submission.php ) in 
> creating a comment form for a restaurant client (There is no security 
> issue here; the comments are emailed):
>
> I stored a random token in the session:
>
> session_start();
> if ( ! isset( $_SESSION['secret'] ) ) $_SESSION['secret'] = uniqid( 
> rand(), TRUE );
>
> I hid that token in the form:
>
> <form action="comments.php" method="post" onSubmit="return 
> checkForm(this)">
> <input type="hidden" name="secret" value="<?= $_SESSION['secret'] ?>" />
>
> Upon submission, I checked for the token:
>
> if ( $_POST['secret'] !== $_SESSION['secret'] ) die( 'invalid form 
> submission' );
>
> But I still got obvious spoofed submissions, not very many of them, 
> and all vapid and often nonsensical (a sample: "I consider that beside 
> Your site there is future!"), but still maddening.  So I added a 
> five-minute timeout:
>
> if ( ! isset( $_SESSION['timeout'] ) ) {
>   $timeout = time() + 5 * 60;
>   $_SESSION['timeout'] = $timeout;
> }
>
> and checked for that as well:
>
> $now = time();
> if ( $_POST['secret'] !== $_SESSION['secret'] || $now > 
> $_SESSION['timeout'] ) die( 'invalid form submission' );
>
> But this hasn't helped much; I still get a few of them, though I can't 
> figure out how they can be generated.  Any advice?
>
>
> Michael Southwell, Vice President for Education
> New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.com/training - In-depth PHP Training Courses
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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>
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From apg88zx at gmail.com  Tue May  1 13:33:35 2007
From: apg88zx at gmail.com (Alvaro P.)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 13:33:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] form spoofing
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070501113111.028cb6c0@mail.optonline.net>
References: <6.2.3.4.2.20070501113111.028cb6c0@mail.optonline.net>
Message-ID: <463779EF.50508@gmail.com>

I had the same problem, I used a random session variable, but they still 
got through.
I devised a way of avoiding several types of spam bots with some scripts 
I made.

First of all, the form has no action="" when it is loaded, and therefore 
the simplest spam bots won't know where to send the information to.
When the form is submitted, javascript validates it, if it is valid, it 
generates a random variable with a random number in it, they are related 
by a simple mathematical formula I made up.
This variable is sent to a php script using the xmlhttpPost() function. 
The php script then checks to see if this variable matches it's criteria.
Once it is checked, it generates the actual form processing script from 
a pre-made template and saves it with a random name.
The name of the new form processor is then sent back to the actual form 
which then sets the action="" and finally submits the form.

The neat thing about it is that I can set an 'expiration' date on the 
randomly named form processors, that way, if the spammer figures out the 
name of the file, he can only use it for 30 seconds after it is created. 
Old files are deleted when new ones are created.

This is all pretty invisible to the end user, who now doesn't have to 
fill out annoying CAPTCHA fields, the only downside is that it requires 
javascript.

The form processor can be any php script, it is read by the main script, 
and then re-saved with the random name and timeout added at the top.

I have all the files if you want to try it out.

Alvaro

Michael Southwell wrote:
> I thought I was following best practices ( 
> http://www.nyphp.org/phundamentals/spoofed_submission.php ) in 
> creating a comment form for a restaurant client (There is no security 
> issue here; the comments are emailed):
>
> I stored a random token in the session:
>
> session_start();
> if ( ! isset( $_SESSION['secret'] ) ) $_SESSION['secret'] = uniqid( 
> rand(), TRUE );
>
> I hid that token in the form:
>
> <form action="comments.php" method="post" onSubmit="return 
> checkForm(this)">
> <input type="hidden" name="secret" value="<?= $_SESSION['secret'] ?>" />
>
> Upon submission, I checked for the token:
>
> if ( $_POST['secret'] !== $_SESSION['secret'] ) die( 'invalid form 
> submission' );
>
> But I still got obvious spoofed submissions, not very many of them, 
> and all vapid and often nonsensical (a sample: "I consider that beside 
> Your site there is future!"), but still maddening.  So I added a 
> five-minute timeout:
>
> if ( ! isset( $_SESSION['timeout'] ) ) {
>   $timeout = time() + 5 * 60;
>   $_SESSION['timeout'] = $timeout;
> }
>
> and checked for that as well:
>
> $now = time();
> if ( $_POST['secret'] !== $_SESSION['secret'] || $now > 
> $_SESSION['timeout'] ) die( 'invalid form submission' );
>
> But this hasn't helped much; I still get a few of them, though I can't 
> figure out how they can be generated.  Any advice?
>
>
> Michael Southwell, Vice President for Education
> New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.com/training - In-depth PHP Training Courses
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
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>



From codebowl at gmail.com  Wed May  2 13:52:46 2007
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:52:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Overriding Array's
Message-ID: <8d9a42800705021052l27113abcsa0e6137ee2ee24c8@mail.gmail.com>

Guys I have 2 arrays the structures will be similar, for instance here
is a chopped down version

Array
(
    [http_metas] => Array
        (
            [content-type] => text/html; charset=utf-8
            [content-language] => en-us
        )

    [metas] => Array
        (
            [PreventParsing] => true
            [robots] => noindex, nofollow
            [description] => Recruiting and HR news, information and
community -- including articles, discussions, blogs, jobs,
conferences, research, email publications and more.
            [copyright] => 2007
            [keywords] => recruiting, staffing, HR, business
        )
    [page] => Array
        (
            [template] => mainTemplate
            [title] => ERE.net - Recruiting news, information and community
            [ssl] =>
        )
)

The second array we have is the following

Array
(
    [page] => Array
        (
            [title] => Test Page
        )
)

We are looking to have the second array override the first array
values.  I am not sure if i am having a brain fart here or what.  I
have looked into array_walk, custom recursive function and
array_merge_recursive.  I cannot seem to get any of these methods to
work.

Here is the function that I have created

	
	public function override($default, $page)
	{
		foreach($page as $key => $val)
		{
			if(is_array($val)) return $this->override($default[$key], $page[$key]);
			else
			{
				if(isset($page[$key]) && $page[$key] !== "") $default[$key] = $val;
			}
		}
		return $default;
	}

Any assistance would be appreciated.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
http://www.codebowl.com/
Blog: http://www.josephcrawford.com/
1-802-671-2021
codebowl at gmail.com


From codebowl at gmail.com  Wed May  2 14:49:45 2007
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:49:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Overriding Array's
In-Reply-To: <e4f7a9d6b85.4638dc5f@optonline.net>
References: <8d9a42800705021052l27113abcsa0e6137ee2ee24c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<e4f7a9d6b85.4638dc5f@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800705021149y4bfde1feq39359ab430ddc403@mail.gmail.com>

This will not work, hence if we have the following

Array
(
  links => Array
  (
    stylesheets => Array
    (
      [0] => style.css,
      [1] => layout.css
    )
  )
)

Array
(
  links => Array
  (
    stylesheets => Array
    (
      [0] => general.css
    )
  )
)

we would want the end result to add the values to the array since it
is numeric keys and not replace.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
http://www.codebowl.com/
Blog: http://www.josephcrawford.com/
1-802-671-2021
codebowl at gmail.com


From codebowl at gmail.com  Wed May  2 15:04:29 2007
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 15:04:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Overriding Array's
In-Reply-To: <f82ec8c059db.4638dea4@optonline.net>
References: <8d9a42800705021052l27113abcsa0e6137ee2ee24c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<e4f7a9d6b85.4638dc5f@optonline.net>
	<8d9a42800705021146g327c197aofe1984d332b4e1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f82ec8c059db.4638dea4@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800705021204i76c40ad2h9348be153c4497b@mail.gmail.com>

ok let me try to clarify myself.

I somehow need to loop over all elements and see if any of them
contain numeric indexes like the stylesheets does.  If it does we need
to add the new element from the secondary array to the first.

If it get's to the bottom element (without finding a numeric key
first) it will replace the value such as in $data['page']['title']

Is that clear?


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Wed May  2 17:39:04 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:39:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Overriding Array's
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800705021204i76c40ad2h9348be153c4497b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800705021052l27113abcsa0e6137ee2ee24c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<e4f7a9d6b85.4638dc5f@optonline.net>
	<8d9a42800705021146g327c197aofe1984d332b4e1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<f82ec8c059db.4638dea4@optonline.net>
	<8d9a42800705021204i76c40ad2h9348be153c4497b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52572C4A-2139-4AA2-88E9-06C4049DBC54@jonbaer.com>

Are you sure you need to even do the loop?

Why not always array_unshift() the $links array ...

array_unshift() prepends passed elements to the front of the array.  
Note that the list of elements is prepended as a whole, so that the  
prepended elements stay in the same order. All numerical array keys  
will be modified to start counting from zero while literal keys won't  
be touched.

You get FIFO w/ the # index w/o doing the work.

- Jon

On May 2, 2007, at 3:04 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote:

> ok let me try to clarify myself.
>
> I somehow need to loop over all elements and see if any of them
> contain numeric indexes like the stylesheets does.  If it does we need
> to add the new element from the secondary array to the first.
>
> If it get's to the bottom element (without finding a numeric key
> first) it will replace the value such as in $data['page']['title']
>
> Is that clear?
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From ramons at gmx.net  Wed May  2 20:55:38 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 20:55:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next() for multidimensional arrays?
Message-ID: <4639330A.8070801@gmx.net>

Hi!

Is there anything available like next() that will work on 
multidimensional arrays?
I want to get a flat list of key and value of the current element of a 
multidimensional array. I played around with next() now for an excessive 
amount of time and it just doesn't seem to think in more than one 
dimension. I also cannot make it to without missing some portions of the 
multidimensional array.

Here is what I really want to do:
I copied the dirlist function from the php.net man page for scandir. The 
function really works well, but returns a multidimensional array with 
the folder names being the keys for the subarrays, whereas files have a 
numerical key. What I need is a one dimensional array that has this 
structure:
path_to_folder_as_key => filename1
path_to_folder_as_key => filename2
path_to_folder_as_key => filename3
path_to_folder_as_key => filename4
....

I also spent quite some time with all the various array flattening 
routines, but due to my lack of skill I cannot get those to keep the 
keys in place or even combine them to a path. It is nice that something 
like scandir is finally available, but PHP is still not very helpful in 
that arena. Nah, it's not PHP, it's me being stupid. I also attempted 
recursion with a function myself, but that ended up in total chaos and 
desaster.

It would be great if one of you smart people could beat me out of this 
.... again.

Best regards,

	David


From chehodgins at gmail.com  Thu May  3 02:32:21 2007
From: chehodgins at gmail.com (Che Hodgins)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 02:32:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next() for multidimensional arrays?
In-Reply-To: <4639330A.8070801@gmx.net>
References: <4639330A.8070801@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <f9948c350705022332j3c9d72a7x33bcc59824624726@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David, see below.

On 5/2/07, David Krings <ramons at gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Is there anything available like next() that will work on
> multidimensional arrays?
> I want to get a flat list of key and value of the current element of a
> multidimensional array. I played around with next() now for an excessive
> amount of time and it just doesn't seem to think in more than one
> dimension. I also cannot make it to without missing some portions of the
> multidimensional array.
>
> Here is what I really want to do:
> I copied the dirlist function from the php.net man page for scandir. The
> function really works well, but returns a multidimensional array with
> the folder names being the keys for the subarrays, whereas files have a
> numerical key. What I need is a one dimensional array that has this
> structure:
> path_to_folder_as_key => filename1
> path_to_folder_as_key => filename2
> path_to_folder_as_key => filename3
> path_to_folder_as_key => filename4
> ....

Since a folder will often contain more than 1 file, using the folder
path as the array key is not a good idea. The key can only be
associated to one value, so in your example the key
path_to_folder_as_key would have the value filename4 only.

A 2 dimensional array such as:

$the_files['path_to_folder_as_key'][0] = filename1
$the_files['path_to_folder_as_key'][1] = filename2
$the_files['path_to_folder_as_key'][2] = filename3
....

Should do it. If you really want to keep a one dimensional array you
could do the following:

$the_files[0] = 'path_to_folder,filename1';
$the_files[1] = 'path_to_folder,filename2';
...

And then when going through the array:

list($path, $file) = explode(',', $the_files[0]);

Good luck,

Che

>
> I also spent quite some time with all the various array flattening
> routines, but due to my lack of skill I cannot get those to keep the
> keys in place or even combine them to a path. It is nice that something
> like scandir is finally available, but PHP is still not very helpful in
> that arena. Nah, it's not PHP, it's me being stupid. I also attempted
> recursion with a function myself, but that ended up in total chaos and
> desaster.
>
> It would be great if one of you smart people could beat me out of this
> .... again.
>
> Best regards,
>
>         David
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From jakob.buchgraber at googlemail.com  Thu May  3 11:31:23 2007
From: jakob.buchgraber at googlemail.com (Jakob Buchgraber)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:31:23 +0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any alternatives to mbstring for PHP+UTF-8?
Message-ID: <463A004B.5040303@gmail.com>

Hey!

I was wondering whether there are alternatives to mbstring for handling 
UTF-8 encoded data with PHP?
I am asking, because I'd like to play around with as many "technologies" 
as possible before I actually start developing.
I somehow also looked at the way Joomla! did it, but I don't really like 
their solution.

So what do you use for building websites with UTF-8 + PHP?

Thanks!

Cheers,
Jay


From jakob.buchgraber at googlemail.com  Thu May  3 11:41:11 2007
From: jakob.buchgraber at googlemail.com (Jakob Buchgraber)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:41:11 +0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Casting string "false" to boolean
In-Reply-To: <345845F9-44ED-4676-9B78-70720E883AE2@beaffinitive.com>
References: <46349D06.7020807@gmail.com>	<97E58DBF-E900-4084-AB69-55EC723348D7@sala.ca>
	<345845F9-44ED-4676-9B78-70720E883AE2@beaffinitive.com>
Message-ID: <463A0297.1090001@gmail.com>

Rob Marscher wrote:
>>  If you're getting input for a false value as "false" you should 
>> really use some kind of conditional statement.
>
> Yeah... like this:
>
> $string = 'false';
> $bool = ($string != 'false');
> var_dump($bool);
>
>
> -Rob
>
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Nice. Thanks! :)

Cheers,
Jay


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Thu May  3 11:57:31 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:57:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any alternatives to mbstring for PHP+UTF-8?
In-Reply-To: <463A004B.5040303@gmail.com>
References: <463A004B.5040303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16F7E99D-1B22-44F9-A3B2-94E13FA62AE6@jonbaer.com>

Iconv is way more flexible ...

http://us.php.net/iconv

Specifically the alternate ob handler ... http://us.php.net/manual/en/ 
function.ob-iconv-handler.php

- Jon

On May 3, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Jakob Buchgraber wrote:

> Hey!
>
> I was wondering whether there are alternatives to mbstring for  
> handling UTF-8 encoded data with PHP?
> I am asking, because I'd like to play around with as many  
> "technologies" as possible before I actually start developing.
> I somehow also looked at the way Joomla! did it, but I don't really  
> like their solution.
>
> So what do you use for building websites with UTF-8 + PHP?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
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>
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From jakob.buchgraber at googlemail.com  Thu May  3 12:51:09 2007
From: jakob.buchgraber at googlemail.com (Jakob Buchgraber)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 18:51:09 +0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any alternatives to mbstring for PHP+UTF-8?
In-Reply-To: <16F7E99D-1B22-44F9-A3B2-94E13FA62AE6@jonbaer.com>
References: <463A004B.5040303@gmail.com>
	<16F7E99D-1B22-44F9-A3B2-94E13FA62AE6@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <463A12FD.6070802@gmail.com>

Jon Baer wrote:
> Iconv is way more flexible ...
>
> http://us.php.net/iconv
>
> Specifically the alternate ob handler ... 
> http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.ob-iconv-handler.php
>
> - Jon
Hey!

Thanks a lot.

Seems to be quite cool. Have you ever used it? How does it perform?
And when I convert a UTF-8 string to some single-byte encoding, I can 
use the PHP provided functions for manipulating and validating the data, 
right?

Cheers,
Jay


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Thu May  3 13:36:40 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:36:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any alternatives to mbstring for PHP+UTF-8?
In-Reply-To: <463A12FD.6070802@gmail.com>
References: <463A004B.5040303@gmail.com>
	<16F7E99D-1B22-44F9-A3B2-94E13FA62AE6@jonbaer.com>
	<463A12FD.6070802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AD8FBF68-0170-4E97-A556-C0BD492A5DB7@jonbaer.com>

Yes ... ive used the mysql function listed on that page (which is  
normally where 1/2 problems exist anyways).

Just make sure it is installed (depending on your PHP version) ...

[PowerbookG4:~]$ php -m | grep iconv
iconv

Otherwise you might have to compile/install http://www.gnu.org/ 
software/libiconv/ and ./configure --enable-iconv before building php.

- Jon

On May 3, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Jakob Buchgraber wrote:

> Jon Baer wrote:
>> Iconv is way more flexible ...
>>
>> http://us.php.net/iconv
>>
>> Specifically the alternate ob handler ... http://us.php.net/manual/ 
>> en/function.ob-iconv-handler.php
>>
>> - Jon
> Hey!
>
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Seems to be quite cool. Have you ever used it? How does it perform?
> And when I convert a UTF-8 string to some single-byte encoding, I  
> can use the PHP provided functions for manipulating and validating  
> the data, right?
>
> Cheers,
> Jay
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Thu May  3 14:31:03 2007
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:31:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ajax 101: what to return from a POST
Message-ID: <721f1cc50705031131i8311600l7a2abbe2004631c1@mail.gmail.com>

Let's say you are displaying a form populated with data from a db table for
a user to edit, and you want to AJAXify(with Prototype). Your backend script
does the validation. Suppose they POST it and validation fails, what do you
do?

I have experimented with converting a PHP array of error messages (fieldName
=> errorMessage, etc) into JSON and sending that back, then doing DOM
scripting to stick the error messages into some DIVs. Kind of a lot of work,
but it's efficient in the sense that you only send data that the front end
needs.

The other option is to redraw the whole form with the error messages in the
DIVs and send back that chunk of HTML. Less efficient in that you are
sending back a bunch of bytes that are the same as what was there in the
first place, but more efficient in that you re-use more code, and do less
client-side acrobatics, than if you return a JSON data structure.

Am I being a byte-Nazi? Any thoughts?


-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
In the most delightful way.
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From tim_lists at o2group.com  Thu May  3 14:45:37 2007
From: tim_lists at o2group.com (Tim Lieberman)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:45:37 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ajax 101: what to return from a POST
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50705031131i8311600l7a2abbe2004631c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50705031131i8311600l7a2abbe2004631c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E398628-8F90-442D-9D75-09FD6B0515D6@o2group.com>

If there are validation errors, send back a json-encoded false in the  
X-JSON header, and some error HTML to be injected into a DOM element  
in the body.

If there are no errors, send back a json-encoded true in the X-JSON  
header, and do whatever else you need in the responseText.

So your script does something like:

new Ajax.Request('/some/service/url',{ onSuccess : function 
(transport,json){
	if (json){
		//everything is great.
	}else{
		//ruh-roh
		$('ErrorTextDiv').update(transport.responseText);
	}
});

On May 3, 2007, at 12:31 PM, David Mintz wrote:

> Let's say you are displaying a form populated with data from a db  
> table for a user to edit, and you want to AJAXify(with Prototype).  
> Your backend script does the validation. Suppose they POST it and  
> validation fails, what do you do?
>
> I have experimented with converting a PHP array of error messages  
> (fieldName => errorMessage, etc) into JSON and sending that back,  
> then doing DOM scripting to stick the error messages into some  
> DIVs. Kind of a lot of work, but it's efficient in the sense that  
> you only send data that the front end needs.
>
> The other option is to redraw the whole form with the error  
> messages in the DIVs and send back that chunk of HTML. Less  
> efficient in that you are sending back a bunch of bytes that are  
> the same as what was there in the first place, but more efficient  
> in that you re-use more code, and do less client-side acrobatics,  
> than if you return a JSON data structure.
>
> Am I being a byte-Nazi? Any thoughts?
>
>
> -- 
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
>
> Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
> In the most delightful way.
> _______________________________________________
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From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Thu May  3 14:55:28 2007
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:55:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ajax 101: what to return from a POST
In-Reply-To: <2E398628-8F90-442D-9D75-09FD6B0515D6@o2group.com>
References: <721f1cc50705031131i8311600l7a2abbe2004631c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E398628-8F90-442D-9D75-09FD6B0515D6@o2group.com>
Message-ID: <721f1cc50705031155x21b80298lbdb3816c67920a17@mail.gmail.com>

Ah so, makes sense. The thing about the JSON header is nice. But I want to
show the each message in a DIV adjacent to the corresponding form element.
So sending one HTML fragment of error text wouldn't quite do it.

On 5/3/07, Tim Lieberman <tim_lists at o2group.com> wrote:
>
> If there are validation errors, send back a json-encoded false in the
> X-JSON header, and some error HTML to be injected into a DOM element in the
> body.
>
> If there are no errors, send back a json-encoded true in the X-JSON
> header, and do whatever else you need in the responseText. [...]
>

-- 
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http://davidmintz.org/

Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
In the most delightful way.
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Thu May  3 15:10:14 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:10:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ajax 101: what to return from a POST
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50705031155x21b80298lbdb3816c67920a17@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50705031131i8311600l7a2abbe2004631c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E398628-8F90-442D-9D75-09FD6B0515D6@o2group.com>
	<721f1cc50705031155x21b80298lbdb3816c67920a17@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B035DFE-1BA6-4FBF-BE52-2FE86FC19187@jonbaer.com>

Send back a 412 (precondition failed) error and evaluate the <script>  
on return w/ all the errors is the only way I can think of unless you  
went w/ your own scheme of parsing + displaying the response ...

- Jon

On May 3, 2007, at 2:55 PM, David Mintz wrote:

> Ah so, makes sense. The thing about the JSON header is nice. But I  
> want to show the each message in a DIV adjacent to the  
> corresponding form element. So sending one HTML fragment of error  
> text wouldn't quite do it.
>
> On 5/3/07, Tim Lieberman <tim_lists at o2group.com> wrote:
> If there are validation errors, send back a json-encoded false in  
> the X-JSON header, and some error HTML to be injected into a DOM  
> element in the body.
>
> If there are no errors, send back a json-encoded true in the X-JSON  
> header, and do whatever else you need in the responseText. [...]
>
> -- 
> David Mintz
> http://davidmintz.org/
>
> Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
> In the most delightful way.
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Thu May  3 15:17:18 2007
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:17:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ajax 101: what to return from a POST
In-Reply-To: <5B035DFE-1BA6-4FBF-BE52-2FE86FC19187@jonbaer.com>
References: <721f1cc50705031131i8311600l7a2abbe2004631c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E398628-8F90-442D-9D75-09FD6B0515D6@o2group.com>
	<721f1cc50705031155x21b80298lbdb3816c67920a17@mail.gmail.com>
	<5B035DFE-1BA6-4FBF-BE52-2FE86FC19187@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <721f1cc50705031217l7bc8062alab005f81f690b25@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure I follow completely. Are you saying send back 412 and otherwise do
it the way I'm doing it, i.e., iterate through a returned Javascript object
stuffing the errors into the DIVs? Is it "wrong" to send back the whole HTML
form with the error messages?

On 5/3/07, Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:
>
> Send back a 412 (precondition failed) error and evaluate the <script>
> on return w/ all the errors is the only way I can think of unless you
> went w/ your own scheme of parsing + displaying the response ...


[...]



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From felix.shnir at gmail.com  Thu May  3 15:25:28 2007
From: felix.shnir at gmail.com (Felix Shnir)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:25:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ajax 101: what to return from a POST
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50705031217l7bc8062alab005f81f690b25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50705031131i8311600l7a2abbe2004631c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E398628-8F90-442D-9D75-09FD6B0515D6@o2group.com>
	<721f1cc50705031155x21b80298lbdb3816c67920a17@mail.gmail.com>
	<5B035DFE-1BA6-4FBF-BE52-2FE86FC19187@jonbaer.com>
	<721f1cc50705031217l7bc8062alab005f81f690b25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee3adaa10705031225n41aeaab7mbe9bfe7c3004d335@mail.gmail.com>

Jon means that the response status should be 412...

        var req = this.getTransport();
        req.open('POST', uri, true);
        req.onreadystatechange = function (aEvt) {
          if (req.readyState == 4) {
             if(req.status == 200)
              var r = eval(req.responseText);

               if(req.status == 412)
                  alert("error has occured: " + req.responseText);
              }
          }

Felix
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From tim_lists at o2group.com  Thu May  3 15:48:15 2007
From: tim_lists at o2group.com (Tim Lieberman)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:48:15 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ajax 101: what to return from a POST
In-Reply-To: <ee3adaa10705031225n41aeaab7mbe9bfe7c3004d335@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50705031131i8311600l7a2abbe2004631c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E398628-8F90-442D-9D75-09FD6B0515D6@o2group.com>
	<721f1cc50705031155x21b80298lbdb3816c67920a17@mail.gmail.com>
	<5B035DFE-1BA6-4FBF-BE52-2FE86FC19187@jonbaer.com>
	<721f1cc50705031217l7bc8062alab005f81f690b25@mail.gmail.com>
	<ee3adaa10705031225n41aeaab7mbe9bfe7c3004d335@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FAF24649-775D-40B5-9071-50D0DCE91FCF@o2group.com>

Oh, cool.

-Tim
On May 3, 2007, at 1:25 PM, Felix Shnir wrote:

> Jon means that the response status should be 412...
>
>         var req = this.getTransport();
>         req.open('POST', uri, true);
>         req.onreadystatechange = function (aEvt) {
>           if (req.readyState == 4) {
>              if(req.status == 200)
>               var r = eval(req.responseText);
>
>                if(req.status == 412)
>                   alert("error has occured: " + req.responseText);
>               }
>           }
>
> Felix
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From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Thu May  3 15:48:58 2007
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:48:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ajax 101: what to return from a POST
In-Reply-To: <ee3adaa10705031225n41aeaab7mbe9bfe7c3004d335@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50705031131i8311600l7a2abbe2004631c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E398628-8F90-442D-9D75-09FD6B0515D6@o2group.com>
	<721f1cc50705031155x21b80298lbdb3816c67920a17@mail.gmail.com>
	<5B035DFE-1BA6-4FBF-BE52-2FE86FC19187@jonbaer.com>
	<721f1cc50705031217l7bc8062alab005f81f690b25@mail.gmail.com>
	<ee3adaa10705031225n41aeaab7mbe9bfe7c3004d335@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <721f1cc50705031248g4506b4cesc89a075a897a2bc3@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, I got the part about the HTTP response code.

I am trying to pose a question about what else to do  if validation fails,
i.e., req.status == 412:  send back the redrawn form w/ errors and display
it, or send back just the validation error messages as a JSON object and
work with that?

On 5/3/07, Felix Shnir <felix.shnir at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jon means that the response status should be 412...
>
>         var req = this.getTransport();
>         req.open('POST', uri, true);
>         req.onreadystatechange = function (aEvt) {
>           if (req.readyState == 4) {
>              if(req.status == 200)
>               var r = eval(req.responseText);
>
>                if(req.status == 412)
>                   alert("error has occured: " + req.responseText);
>               }
>           }
>
> Felix
>
>

-- 
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http://davidmintz.org/

Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
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From lists at enobrev.com  Thu May  3 15:56:10 2007
From: lists at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:56:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ajax 101: what to return from a POST
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50705031131i8311600l7a2abbe2004631c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50705031131i8311600l7a2abbe2004631c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c78dbd$193c0e10$6400a8c0@enobrev>

>>> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of David Mintz
 >>> 	I have experimented with converting a PHP array of error messages
(fieldName => errorMessage, etc) into JSON and sending that back, then doing
DOM scripting to stick the error messages into some DIVs. Kind of a lot of
work, but it's efficient in the sense that you only send data that the front
end needs.

I like the previously mentioned ideas of returning an error code in the
header.  I currently just return an error array in the returned data.  I
definitely agree that sending back an entire form that already exists is too
much.

I do something very similar to your method.  If your fields have id's based
on their names you can manipulate them pretty easily to show the error.
Here's something similar to how I do it...

/*
 * ids are field_<field_name> so an email field would have an id of
field_email
 *** oReturnedData would be a JSON object from the server
 */

// example var
var oReturnedData = {
	errors : [
			{field: 'email', message: 'we do not accept hotmail
accounts'},
			{field: 'age',   message: 'you must be over 21 to
register'},					{field: 'phone', message:
'we both know this is not a phone number'}
		   ],
	otherstuff : []
    }

if (oReturnedData.errors !== undefined)
&&  oReturnedData.errors.length) {
    $A(oReturnedData.errors).each(
        function(oError) {
            if ($('field_' + oError.field) !== null) {  
                var sField = '<p class="error">' + oError.message + '</p>'
                new Insertion.After($(oError.field), sField);
            }
        }.bind(this)
    );
}

I usually manipulate the field labels, but I figured this shows the general
idea best and simplest.

Mark



From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Thu May  3 16:35:05 2007
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 16:35:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ajax 101: what to return from a POST
In-Reply-To: <003d01c78dbd$193c0e10$6400a8c0@enobrev>
References: <721f1cc50705031131i8311600l7a2abbe2004631c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<003d01c78dbd$193c0e10$6400a8c0@enobrev>
Message-ID: <721f1cc50705031335m552d5babp10268fa102bc0140@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you! This is consistent with what I'm trying to do, I just wanted to
confirm that my approach is basically sane. Your example gives me something
to study and steal from.

On 5/3/07, Mark Armendariz <lists at enobrev.com> wrote:
>
> >>> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:
> talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of David Mintz
> >>>    I have experimented with converting a PHP array of error messages
> (fieldName => errorMessage, etc) into JSON and sending that back, then
> doing
> DOM scripting to stick the error messages into some DIVs. Kind of a lot of
> work, but it's efficient in the sense that you only send data that the
> front
> end needs.
>
> I like the previously mentioned ideas of returning an error code in the
> header.  I currently just return an error array in the returned data.  I
> definitely agree that sending back an entire form that already exists is
> too
> much.
>
> I do something very similar to your method.  If your fields have id's
> based
> on their names you can manipulate them pretty easily to show the error.
> Here's something similar to how I do it...
>
> /*
> * ids are field_<field_name> so an email field would have an id of
> field_email
> *** oReturnedData would be a JSON object from the server
> */
>
> // example var
> var oReturnedData = {
>         errors : [
>                         {field: 'email', message: 'we do not accept
> hotmail
> accounts'},
>                         {field: 'age',   message: 'you must be over 21 to
> register'},                                     {field: 'phone', message:
> 'we both know this is not a phone number'}
>                    ],
>         otherstuff : []
>     }
>
> if (oReturnedData.errors !== undefined)
> &&  oReturnedData.errors.length) {
>     $A(oReturnedData.errors).each(
>         function(oError) {
>             if ($('field_' + oError.field) !== null) {
>                 var sField = '<p class="error">' + oError.message + '</p>'
>                 new Insertion.After($(oError.field), sField);
>             }
>         }.bind(this)
>     );
> }
>
> I usually manipulate the field labels, but I figured this shows the
> general
> idea best and simplest.
>
>

-- 
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http://davidmintz.org/

Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
In the most delightful way.
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From lists at enobrev.com  Thu May  3 16:50:01 2007
From: lists at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 16:50:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ajax 101: what to return from a POST
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50705031335m552d5babp10268fa102bc0140@mail.gmail.com>
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	<721f1cc50705031335m552d5babp10268fa102bc0140@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004401c78dc4$9f4d7af0$6400a8c0@enobrev>

>>> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of David Mintz
Thank you! This is consistent with what I'm trying to do, I just wanted to
confirm that my approach is basically sane. Your example gives me something
to study and steal from.

 
Hope it helps.
 
I noticed I made a mistake when looking at your reply:

    new Insertion.After($(oError.field), sField);
 
should be               
 
    new Insertion.After($('field_' + oError.field), sField);
 
Good Luck!
 
Mark



From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Thu May  3 18:36:29 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:36:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Ajax 101: what to return from a POST
In-Reply-To: <721f1cc50705031248g4506b4cesc89a075a897a2bc3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <721f1cc50705031131i8311600l7a2abbe2004631c1@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E398628-8F90-442D-9D75-09FD6B0515D6@o2group.com>
	<721f1cc50705031155x21b80298lbdb3816c67920a17@mail.gmail.com>
	<5B035DFE-1BA6-4FBF-BE52-2FE86FC19187@jonbaer.com>
	<721f1cc50705031217l7bc8062alab005f81f690b25@mail.gmail.com>
	<ee3adaa10705031225n41aeaab7mbe9bfe7c3004d335@mail.gmail.com>
	<721f1cc50705031248g4506b4cesc89a075a897a2bc3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14377B39-39C9-42F3-B188-5907B1AB84A1@jonbaer.com>

Not sure it has to be that complicated ... Im not sure what framework  
you are using but the point is that you also eval() the response you  
get back @ status 412 and send back something like such in a simple  
example:

server.php
header("HTTP/1.0 412 Precondition failed");
header("Content-Type: text/javascript");
$response = <<<EOR
$('errorDiv1').innerHTML = "The following errors occured for div1: ..."
$('errorDiv2').innerHTML = "The following errors occured for div2: ..."
$('errorDiv3').innerHTML = "The following errors occured for div3: ..."
EOR;
echo($response);

index.php
<html>
<head>
<script type="text/javascript" src="prototype.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript">
function run() {
   var myRequest = new Ajax.Request('server.php', {
   onFailure: function() {
   // will automatically eval since we return text/javascript
   }
});
}
</script>
</head>
<body>
<a href="javascript:void(0)" onclick="run()">Run</a>
<div id="errorDiv1"></div>
<div id="errorDiv2"></div>
<div id="errorDiv3"><div>
</body>
</html>

Mark's method is similiar in that it builds on the existing DOM w/  
JSON returned, but just showing you could easily control your divs  
server side.

- Jon

On May 3, 2007, at 3:48 PM, David Mintz wrote:

> Yes, I got the part about the HTTP response code.
>
> I am trying to pose a question about what else to do  if validation  
> fails, i.e., req.status == 412:  send back the redrawn form w/  
> errors and display it, or send back just the validation error  
> messages as a JSON object and work with that?
>
> On 5/3/07, Felix Shnir <felix.shnir at gmail.com> wrote: Jon means  
> that the response status should be 412...
>
>         var req = this.getTransport ();
>         req.open('POST', uri, true);
>         req.onreadystatechange = function (aEvt) {
>           if (req.readyState == 4) {
>              if(req.status == 200)
>               var r = eval(req.responseText);
>
>                if(req.status == 412)
>                   alert("error has occured: " + req.responseText);
>               }
>           }
>
> Felix


From ramons at gmx.net  Thu May  3 21:19:30 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 21:19:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] next() for multidimensional arrays?
In-Reply-To: <f9948c350705022332j3c9d72a7x33bcc59824624726@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4639330A.8070801@gmx.net>
	<f9948c350705022332j3c9d72a7x33bcc59824624726@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <463A8A22.8000608@gmx.net>

Che Hodgins wrote:
> Hi David, see below.
> 
> On 5/2/07, David Krings <ramons at gmx.net> wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> Is there anything available like next() that will work on
>> multidimensional arrays?

First of all, thanks for pointing out my brain fart with using the same 
key for different values.
Second, what I tried to do is use again the hammer and consider 
everything a nail. I upload a ZIP (!!!) archive, extract it, throw the 
zip file away, and now break my neck to find out what the files and 
folders are! *slaphandonhead*
This:
$zip = zip_open($localzipfile);
if ($zip) {
     while ($zip_entry = zip_read($zip)) {
         echo "Name:               " . zip_entry_name($zip_entry) . "<br 
/>";
         echo "Actual Filesize:    " . zip_entry_filesize($zip_entry) . 
"<br />";
         echo "<br />";
     }
     zip_close($zip);
}

does the trick. If the filesize is 0 then it is either just a folder 
entry or a file that I don't want anyway. So anything with a file size 
bigger than 0 will go into my array, with path and file name.
What really threw me off is that zip_open() does not work with relative 
path/file names. Something like ./dir/zip file.zip returns an integer 
and not a resource handle! After translating the relative path into a 
direct path all things went smoothly.

OK, I keep hammering away then.

David



From rmarscher at beaffinitive.com  Thu May  3 21:37:15 2007
From: rmarscher at beaffinitive.com (Rob Marscher)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:37:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Overriding Array's
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800705021052l27113abcsa0e6137ee2ee24c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800705021052l27113abcsa0e6137ee2ee24c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B461307-733A-466B-9C4D-51FFE15D0202@beaffinitive.com>

On May 2, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote:
> We are looking to have the second array override the first array
> values.  I cannot seem to get any of these methods to
> work.

I assume you've fixed this by now... but here's a recursive method  
that I think does what you want:

// overrides non-numeric keys recursively
public function override($default, $page)
{
     foreach ($page as $key => $val)
     {
         if (isset($page[$key]) && $page[$key] !== "") {
             if (is_array($val)) {
                 $default[$key] = $this->override($default[$key],  
$page[$key]);
             } else {
                 if (is_numeric($key)) {
                     $default[] = $val;
                 } else {
                     $default[$key] = $val;
                 }
             }
         }
     }
     return $default;
}

Though, I wonder if it would be better to have these properties as  
class members... you may find that a bit more flexible... could even  
still have an override method to pass in an array... even offer it  
through the constructor... see below:

/* note: php4 syntax, I don't use php5 enough daily to spit it off  
the top of my head
  * but I think if you search/replace var for public and add public  
in the class definition and
  * to the functions and make singleton a static method, that should  
be most of it
  */
class Config
{
   // http-metas
   var $content-type = 'text/html; charset=utf-8';
   var $content-language = 'en-us';

   // metas
   var $PreventParsing = true;
   var $robots = 'noindex, nofollow';
   var $description = 'Recruiting and HR news, information and '
                     . 'community -- including articles, discussions,  
blogs, jobs,
                     . 'conferences, research, email publications and  
more.'
   var $copyright = '2007';
   var $keywords = 'recruiting, staffing, HR, business';

   // page
   var $template = 'mainTemplate';
   var $title = 'ERE.net - Recruiting news, information and community';
   var $ssl = 'false';

   // links
   var $stylesheets = array('style.css', 'layout.css');

   function Config($override = array())
   {
     $this->__construct($override);
   }

   function __construct($override = array())
   {
     $this->override($override);
   }

   function singleton($config = array())
   {
     static $instance;
     if (!isset($instance)) {
       $instance = new Config($config);
     }
     return $instance;
   }

   function override($values = array())
   {
     foreach($values as $key => $value) {
       if (is_array($this->$key)) {
         $this->$key[] = $value;
       } else {
         $this->$key = $value;
       }
     }
   }

   function getHttpMetas()
   {
     return array('content-type' => $this->content_type,
                           'content-language' => $this->content- 
language);
   }

   function getMetas()
   {
     return array('content-type' => $this->content_type,
                           'content-language' => $this->content- 
language);
   }

   function getPage()
   {
     return array('template' => $this->template,
                           'title' => $this->title,
                           'ssl' => $this->ssl);
   }

   function getLinks()
   {
     return array('stylesheets' => $this->stylesheets);
   }
}




From codebowl at gmail.com  Thu May  3 22:57:12 2007
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 22:57:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Overriding Array's
In-Reply-To: <3B461307-733A-466B-9C4D-51FFE15D0202@beaffinitive.com>
References: <8d9a42800705021052l27113abcsa0e6137ee2ee24c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3B461307-733A-466B-9C4D-51FFE15D0202@beaffinitive.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800705031957j5483a2ebg9470f008884ab3d9@mail.gmail.com>

Rob,

Thanks for your code example however having them as class properties
will not work.  The main reason is that the default array is created
by reading a YAML file.  The array is populated by reading a section
of a flat file and then it reads a section specific to the current
page (if any) and overrides the defaults.  Here is the code I have
used to accomplish this.

Thanks to every who responded.

	// parse through an array, $a is the original array and
	// $b is the new array to merge into it
	function override($a, $b)
	{
		// an array that will hold the new, properly
		// merged version of the two arrays
		$new = array();

		// if we've encountered numbered keys, this
		// will be true
		$numbers = FALSE;

		// if $a is bigger than $b, lots of code repetition
		// beyond this point.. ugh.
		if(count($a) >= count($b))
		{
			// override the arrays if necessary
			foreach($a as $key => $val)
			{
				// if we've found a number, stop the loop
				if(is_numeric($key)) // dunno why ctype_digit didn't work...
				{
					$numbers = TRUE;
					break;
				}

				// otherwise, override the key with a $b value
				// if it exists.
				else
				$new[$key] = isset($b[$key]) ? $b[$key] : $a[$key];
			}
		}

		// otherwise..
		else
		{

			// override the arrays if necessary
			foreach($b as $key => $val)
			{
				if(is_numeric($key))
				{
					$numbers = TRUE;
					break;
				}

				// otherwise, override the key with an $a value
				// if it exists.
				else
				$new[$key] = isset($a[$key]) ? $a[$key] : $b[$key];
			}
		}

		// merge the arrays if they are numbered keys

		if($numbers)
		$new = array_merge($a, $b);

		// loop through the new array and check for sub-arrays
		foreach($new as $key => $val)
		{
			// recursively go through
			if(is_array($new[$key]) && !$numbers)
			$new[$key] = $this->override((isset($a[$key]) ? $a[$key] :
array()), (isset($b[$key]) ? $b[$key] : array()));
		}



		// return the new, merged array
		return $new;
	}

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
http://www.codebowl.com/
Blog: http://www.josephcrawford.com/
1-802-671-2021
codebowl at gmail.com


From dirn at dirnonline.com  Thu May  3 23:04:03 2007
From: dirn at dirnonline.com (=?UTF-8?B?QW5keSBEaXJuYmVyZ2Vy?=)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 03:04:03 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Overriding Array's
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800705031957j5483a2ebg9470f008884ab3d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800705021052l27113abcsa0e6137ee2ee24c8@mail.gmail.com><3B461307-733A-466B-9C4D-51FFE15D0202@beaffinitive.com>
	<8d9a42800705031957j5483a2ebg9470f008884ab3d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1572933740-1178247845-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-692104405-@bwe047-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Like really sad.

Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless  

-----Original Message-----
From: "Joseph Crawford" <codebowl at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 22:57:12 
To:"NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Overriding Array's

Rob,

Thanks for your code example however having them as class properties
will not work.  The main reason is that the default array is created
by reading a YAML file.  The array is populated by reading a section
of a flat file and then it reads a section specific to the current
page (if any) and overrides the defaults.  Here is the code I have
used to accomplish this.

Thanks to every who responded.

	// parse through an array, $a is the original array and
	// $b is the new array to merge into it
	function override($a, $b)
	{
		// an array that will hold the new, properly
		// merged version of the two arrays
		$new = array();

		// if we've encountered numbered keys, this
		// will be true
		$numbers = FALSE;

		// if $a is bigger than $b, lots of code repetition
		// beyond this point.. ugh.
		if(count($a) >= count($b))
		{
			// override the arrays if necessary
			foreach($a as $key => $val)
			{
				// if we've found a number, stop the loop
				if(is_numeric($key)) // dunno why ctype_digit didn't work...
				{
					$numbers = TRUE;
					break;
				}

				// otherwise, override the key with a $b value
				// if it exists.
				else
				$new[$key] = isset($b[$key]) ? $b[$key] : $a[$key];
			}
		}

		// otherwise..
		else
		{

			// override the arrays if necessary
			foreach($b as $key => $val)
			{
				if(is_numeric($key))
				{
					$numbers = TRUE;
					break;
				}

				// otherwise, override the key with an $a value
				// if it exists.
				else
				$new[$key] = isset($a[$key]) ? $a[$key] : $b[$key];
			}
		}

		// merge the arrays if they are numbered keys

		if($numbers)
		$new = array_merge($a, $b);

		// loop through the new array and check for sub-arrays
		foreach($new as $key => $val)
		{
			// recursively go through
			if(is_array($new[$key]) && !$numbers)
			$new[$key] = $this->override((isset($a[$key]) ? $a[$key] :
array()), (isset($b[$key]) ? $b[$key] : array()));
		}



		// return the new, merged array
		return $new;
	}

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
http://www.codebowl.com/
Blog: http://www.josephcrawford.com/
1-802-671-2021
codebowl at gmail.com
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From dirn at dirnonline.com  Thu May  3 23:04:27 2007
From: dirn at dirnonline.com (=?UTF-8?B?QW5keSBEaXJuYmVyZ2Vy?=)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 03:04:27 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Overriding Array's
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800705031957j5483a2ebg9470f008884ab3d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800705021052l27113abcsa0e6137ee2ee24c8@mail.gmail.com><3B461307-733A-466B-9C4D-51FFE15D0202@beaffinitive.com>
	<8d9a42800705031957j5483a2ebg9470f008884ab3d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1443250847-1178247869-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-897054150-@bwe038-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Sorry about that email everyone.

Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless  

-----Original Message-----
From: "Joseph Crawford" <codebowl at gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 22:57:12 
To:"NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Overriding Array's

Rob,

Thanks for your code example however having them as class properties
will not work.  The main reason is that the default array is created
by reading a YAML file.  The array is populated by reading a section
of a flat file and then it reads a section specific to the current
page (if any) and overrides the defaults.  Here is the code I have
used to accomplish this.

Thanks to every who responded.

	// parse through an array, $a is the original array and
	// $b is the new array to merge into it
	function override($a, $b)
	{
		// an array that will hold the new, properly
		// merged version of the two arrays
		$new = array();

		// if we've encountered numbered keys, this
		// will be true
		$numbers = FALSE;

		// if $a is bigger than $b, lots of code repetition
		// beyond this point.. ugh.
		if(count($a) >= count($b))
		{
			// override the arrays if necessary
			foreach($a as $key => $val)
			{
				// if we've found a number, stop the loop
				if(is_numeric($key)) // dunno why ctype_digit didn't work...
				{
					$numbers = TRUE;
					break;
				}

				// otherwise, override the key with a $b value
				// if it exists.
				else
				$new[$key] = isset($b[$key]) ? $b[$key] : $a[$key];
			}
		}

		// otherwise..
		else
		{

			// override the arrays if necessary
			foreach($b as $key => $val)
			{
				if(is_numeric($key))
				{
					$numbers = TRUE;
					break;
				}

				// otherwise, override the key with an $a value
				// if it exists.
				else
				$new[$key] = isset($a[$key]) ? $a[$key] : $b[$key];
			}
		}

		// merge the arrays if they are numbered keys

		if($numbers)
		$new = array_merge($a, $b);

		// loop through the new array and check for sub-arrays
		foreach($new as $key => $val)
		{
			// recursively go through
			if(is_array($new[$key]) && !$numbers)
			$new[$key] = $this->override((isset($a[$key]) ? $a[$key] :
array()), (isset($b[$key]) ? $b[$key] : array()));
		}



		// return the new, merged array
		return $new;
	}

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
http://www.codebowl.com/
Blog: http://www.josephcrawford.com/
1-802-671-2021
codebowl at gmail.com
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From paul at devonianfarm.com  Thu May  3 23:35:31 2007
From: paul at devonianfarm.com (Paul Houle)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 23:35:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Sessions,  Expiration,  and all that
Message-ID: <463AAA03.7020105@devonianfarm.com>

    I've been making some modifications on an application that uses PHP 
sessions for authentication.  Our client wants sessions to time out 
after six hours of inactivity,  and I'm wondering if there's an easy way 
to do that by configuring PHP. 

session.cookie_lifetime

    sets the lifetime of the session cookie -- however,  it appears that 
the cookie gets set once on session start,  so this would cause the 
session to last six hours after it begins.  It's not so clear to me 
exactly what

session.gc_maxlifetime

    does,  but with a default value of 1440 seconds,  I'd think that my 
sessions would be expiring a lot more quickly than they are if that was 
setting a timeout.

    I can certainly hack the code to do something like

$now=time();
if(isset($_SESSION["timestamp"])) {
    ... dump session if now-timestamp > limit ...
}
$_SESSION["timestamp"]=$now;

    but I'm wondering if there's a more natural way to do it.


From codebowl at gmail.com  Thu May  3 23:33:31 2007
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 23:33:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Sessions, Expiration, and all that
In-Reply-To: <463AAA03.7020105@devonianfarm.com>
References: <463AAA03.7020105@devonianfarm.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800705032033t1f1d48e4lf941397855195c82@mail.gmail.com>

I would suggest creating a custom session handler and storing the
sessions in the db, read up on this.

http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.session-set-save-handler.php

With a custom session handler you can set a timeout and have the
sessions deleted from the database after 6 hours passes.  A custom
handler allows much better flexability over the built in sessions.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
http://www.codebowl.com/
Blog: http://www.josephcrawford.com/
1-802-671-2021
codebowl at gmail.com


From codebowl at gmail.com  Thu May  3 23:34:20 2007
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 23:34:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Sessions, Expiration, and all that
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800705032033t1f1d48e4lf941397855195c82@mail.gmail.com>
References: <463AAA03.7020105@devonianfarm.com>
	<8d9a42800705032033t1f1d48e4lf941397855195c82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800705032034i4d966cfay96def05a4f4b6fb3@mail.gmail.com>

You will want to look at the gc method for clearing the data.

I am sure that you can set a lifetime in the php.ini as well but you
should look into the custom session handler and see if the flexability
meets your needs.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
http://www.codebowl.com/
Blog: http://www.josephcrawford.com/
1-802-671-2021
codebowl at gmail.com


From rmarscher at beaffinitive.com  Fri May  4 00:57:42 2007
From: rmarscher at beaffinitive.com (Rob Marscher)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 00:57:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Overriding Array's
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800705031957j5483a2ebg9470f008884ab3d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800705021052l27113abcsa0e6137ee2ee24c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3B461307-733A-466B-9C4D-51FFE15D0202@beaffinitive.com>
	<8d9a42800705031957j5483a2ebg9470f008884ab3d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <023F6F5D-2788-4DAD-9462-53578F604DC5@beaffinitive.com>

On May 3, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote:
> The main reason is that the default array is created
> by reading a YAML file.
Cool... I figured something like that was going on.  Doesn't totally  
mean you can read the YAML file into class properties... but whatever  
works.  The Zend_Config component of Zend Framework is an interesting  
read for something like this.  I think the current version can read  
arrays, XML files, and regular ini files.  No yaml yet :(
http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.config.adapters.ini.html


From lists at zaunere.com  Fri May  4 09:20:43 2007
From: lists at zaunere.com (Hans Zaunere)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:20:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] FW: PHP statistics for April 2007
Message-ID: <025501c78e4f$04d00250$6b0aa8c0@MobileZ>


The latest...

> PHP adoption statistics for April 2007 are released.
> 
>     * 5.2 is about to be the 3rd most popular version
>     * PHP 5 is more often chosen on larger domains
>     * In April, web sites are bracing for the next versions
> 
> As usual, lots of other details : PHP versions, Apache, country
> details, etc. 
> Feel free to ask any other details, stats or context about the study.
> 
> PHP stats evolution for April 2007
>  
>
http://www.nexen.net/chiffres_cles/phpversion/16987-php_stats_evolution_for_
april_2007.php
>   PHP statistics for April 2007
>
http://www.nexen.net/chiffres_cles/phpversion/16990-php_statistics_for_april
_2007.php
> 
> All nexen.net articles in English :
>   http://www.nexen.net/the_english_speaking_nexen.net.php
> 




From shiflett at php.net  Fri May  4 09:23:01 2007
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 09:23:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Sessions,  Expiration,  and all that
In-Reply-To: <463AAA03.7020105@devonianfarm.com>
References: <463AAA03.7020105@devonianfarm.com>
Message-ID: <463B33B5.1040307@php.net>

Hi Paul,

> Our client wants sessions to time out after six hours of
> inactivity, and I'm wondering if there's an easy way to do
> that by configuring PHP.

Yes, but keep in mind that session.gc_maxlifetime indicates a maximum,
not a minimum. PHP isn't going to check on every request to see whether
it should clean up stale sessions; there's some probability involved.
However, you can change that, too. :-)

> $now=time();
> if(isset($_SESSION["timestamp"])) {
>    ... dump session if now-timestamp > limit ...
> }
> $_SESSION["timestamp"]=$now;

Seems like a fine way to do it to me.

Chris

-- 
Chris Shiflett
http://shiflett.org/


From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri May  4 10:08:47 2007
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 10:08:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Sessions,  Expiration,  and all that
In-Reply-To: <463B33B5.1040307@php.net>
Message-ID: <C260B6AF.3F20%cliff@pinestream.com>

On 5/4/07 9:23 AM, "Chris Shiflett" <shiflett at php.net> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> 
>> Our client wants sessions to time out after six hours of
>> inactivity, and I'm wondering if there's an easy way to do
>> that by configuring PHP.
> 
> Yes, but keep in mind that session.gc_maxlifetime indicates a maximum,
> not a minimum. PHP isn't going to check on every request to see whether
> it should clean up stale sessions; there's some probability involved.
> However, you can change that, too. :-)
> 
>> $now=time();
>> if(isset($_SESSION["timestamp"])) {
>>    ... dump session if now-timestamp > limit ...
>> }
>> $_SESSION["timestamp"]=$now;
> 
> Seems like a fine way to do it to me.
> 
> Chris

Why not kill the GC function and add a cron job instead? More predictable,
less overhead.

Cliff




From dorgan at optonline.net  Fri May  4 10:11:55 2007
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J Organ IV)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 10:11:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mail Campaign Manager
Message-ID: <463B3F2B.6010506@optonline.net>

Does anyone know of a good open source Email Campaign Manager that will 
handle tracking stats of the emails sent out such as how many people 
click on which links as well as bounce backs and removals??


From randalrust at gmail.com  Fri May  4 10:14:52 2007
From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:14:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mail Campaign Manager
In-Reply-To: <463B3F2B.6010506@optonline.net>
References: <463B3F2B.6010506@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <a9caffe50705040714u641e4bcao85c7d749fb4b93a9@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/4/07, Donald J Organ IV <dorgan at optonline.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know of a good open source Email Campaign Manager

It's an online service, but I'm pretty happy with what we've seen
using CampaignMonitor.com.

http://campaignmonitor.com/

-- 
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com


From ferencz.attila at gmail.com  Fri May  4 10:21:07 2007
From: ferencz.attila at gmail.com (Attila, Ferencz-Csibi)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 15:21:07 +0100
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mail Campaign Manager
In-Reply-To: <463B3F2B.6010506@optonline.net>
References: <463B3F2B.6010506@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <894e56a90705040721m46bddc77nb1334b6a6fb24309@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/4/07, Donald J Organ IV <dorgan at optonline.net> wrote:
> Does anyone know of a good open source Email Campaign Manager that will
> handle tracking stats of the emails sent out such as how many people
> click on which links as well as bounce backs and removals??
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php

Hi,

We're useing this: http://www.openemm.org/


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri May  4 10:26:34 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:26:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mail Campaign Manager
In-Reply-To: <463B3F2B.6010506@optonline.net>
References: <463B3F2B.6010506@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <B9B8B43A-C5F1-41FE-9C5A-7A63D5837218@jonbaer.com>

Check out SwiftMailer + forums to see if someone has already built  
something similar, I remember a posting about something similar, it  
will log and you can do something like $failed_array =  
getFailedRecipients(); for scrubbing ...

http://www.swiftmailer.org/
http://forums.devnetwork.net/viewforum.php?f=52

- Jon

On May 4, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Donald J Organ IV wrote:

> Does anyone know of a good open source Email Campaign Manager that  
> will handle tracking stats of the emails sent out such as how many  
> people click on which links as well as bounce backs and removals??
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri May  4 10:36:02 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:36:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mail Campaign Manager
In-Reply-To: <B9B8B43A-C5F1-41FE-9C5A-7A63D5837218@jonbaer.com>
References: <463B3F2B.6010506@optonline.net>
	<B9B8B43A-C5F1-41FE-9C5A-7A63D5837218@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <CC496B19-F7DF-437B-81E2-B567230813AD@jonbaer.com>

Another:

http://www.phplist.com/

Click Tracking tracks links and URLs. Statistics can be viewed by  
message, URL or subscriber.

- Jon

On May 4, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Jon Baer wrote:

> Check out SwiftMailer + forums to see if someone has already built  
> something similar, I remember a posting about something similar, it  
> will log and you can do something like $failed_array =  
> getFailedRecipients(); for scrubbing ...
>
> http://www.swiftmailer.org/
> http://forums.devnetwork.net/viewforum.php?f=52
>
> - Jon
>
> On May 4, 2007, at 10:11 AM, Donald J Organ IV wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a good open source Email Campaign Manager that  
>> will handle tracking stats of the emails sent out such as how many  
>> people click on which links as well as bounce backs and removals??
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
>> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>>
>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>



From patrick.fee at baesystems.com  Fri May  4 11:56:03 2007
From: patrick.fee at baesystems.com (Fee, Patrick J (US SSA))
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:56:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Mail Campaign Manager
References: <463B3F2B.6010506@optonline.net>
	<a9caffe50705040714u641e4bcao85c7d749fb4b93a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <728813C3358BF04CB3A3DA2341D44A71058D3554@blums0007.na.baesystems.com>

My issue with that would be that Corporate would have issue with it
being controlled by an outside source ("an online service").
I think they would like to control it themselves using some COTS
product.


Patrick J. Fee
Manager, Information Engineering Dept.
Technology Solutions & Services
Tel: (301) 231-1418
Cel: (240) 401-6820
Fax: (301) 231-2635
Patrick.Fee at BAESystems.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. 
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. 
It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us."    
                         --- Marianne Williamson

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Randal Rust
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 10:15 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Mail Campaign Manager

On 5/4/07, Donald J Organ IV <dorgan at optonline.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know of a good open source Email Campaign Manager

It's an online service, but I'm pretty happy with what we've seen using
CampaignMonitor.com.

http://campaignmonitor.com/

--
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com
_______________________________________________
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From ramons at gmx.net  Fri May  4 21:01:29 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 21:01:29 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Conditional break?
Message-ID: <463BD769.9010705@gmx.net>

Hi!

Try to make this short. I have an array with path/file names. I want to 
move each file unless it already exists at its destination. What I want 
to do is end the current go through the while loop, increase a counter 
that I use for the while condition, and then start at the top of the 
while loop again. I tried using break as such

while ($counter < $max) {
	$error = move_file();
	if (!$error) {
		echo "Failed!"
		$counter++;
		break;
	} else {
		do_some_stuff();
	}
	$counter++;
}

The problem is that the whole thing stops as soon as it hits break, but 
I just want it to stop what it is doing now, increase $counter, and go 
back to the top and loop again. Obviously, break isn't the right thing 
to use. But what is?

Hope this is a more intelligent question than the others I asked in the 
past days. Sorry for that.

David


From dirn at dirnonline.com  Fri May  4 21:11:35 2007
From: dirn at dirnonline.com (=?UTF-8?B?QW5keSBEaXJuYmVyZ2Vy?=)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 01:11:35 +0000
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Conditional break?
In-Reply-To: <463BD769.9010705@gmx.net>
References: <463BD769.9010705@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <858226490-1178327496-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-260289959-@bwe056-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Try continue instead of break.

Sent via BlackBerry from Cingular Wireless  

-----Original Message-----
From: David Krings <ramons at gmx.net>
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 21:01:29 
To:NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Conditional break?

Hi!

Try to make this short. I have an array with path/file names. I want to 
move each file unless it already exists at its destination. What I want 
to do is end the current go through the while loop, increase a counter 
that I use for the while condition, and then start at the top of the 
while loop again. I tried using break as such

while ($counter < $max) {
	$error = move_file();
	if (!$error) {
		echo "Failed!"
		$counter++;
		break;
	} else {
		do_some_stuff();
	}
	$counter++;
}

The problem is that the whole thing stops as soon as it hits break, but 
I just want it to stop what it is doing now, increase $counter, and go 
back to the top and loop again. Obviously, break isn't the right thing 
to use. But what is?

Hope this is a more intelligent question than the others I asked in the 
past days. Sorry for that.

David
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http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk

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From ramons at gmx.net  Fri May  4 21:17:46 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 21:17:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Conditional break?
In-Reply-To: <858226490-1178327496-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-260289959-@bwe056-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <463BD769.9010705@gmx.net>
	<858226490-1178327496-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-260289959-@bwe056-cell00.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <463BDB3A.1070608@gmx.net>

Andy Dirnberger wrote:
> Try continue instead of break.
> 
That works! Thanks!!

David


From randalrust at gmail.com  Mon May  7 09:54:12 2007
From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 09:54:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Overwriting files with copy()
Message-ID: <a9caffe50705070654t57819821m5851188b1466e70a@mail.gmail.com>

We have a new site that we just set up. We had everything set up on a
test server and then moved to production over the weekend, when we ran
into an odd issue.

We have several areas where users can upload files (PDF, XLS, etc)
into the system. The client found that they needed to update a few of
the files after the move, and some were uploaded and overwrote the old
file with no problems. Others failed for some reason.

When we looked into it further, we found that files uploaded to this
location were overwritten, as they should be:

/root/uploads/2/files/

But files on this path were not getting overwritten.

/root/uploads/2/files/documents

We get a permission denied error from the copy() function.

There are only three files in question, so it's not a huge deal, but I
was suprised that this happened. All of the folder file attributes are
set correctly, but the only way I can get the old file to update
properly is to set the attributes of the actual file to '777.'

-- 
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com


From dorgan at optonline.net  Mon May  7 10:10:42 2007
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J Organ IV)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 10:10:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP, Email & APPLEDOUBLE
Message-ID: <463F3362.4020208@optonline.net>

Has anyone has any experience with parsing emails with the subtype of 
APPLEDOUBLE??

Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated.


From tboyden at supercoups.com  Mon May  7 11:30:09 2007
From: tboyden at supercoups.com (Timothy Boyden)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:30:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to sort a multi-dimensional array by a given key?
Message-ID: <C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5E1@greenmonster.supercoups.local>

Hi All,
 
I have a multi-dimensional array such as:
 
$franchises['SCID1'] = SCNYC
$franchises['SCID1']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of NY City
$franchises['SCID1']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 20
$franchises['SCID2'] = SCBUFF
$franchises['SCID2']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of Buffalo
$franchises['SCID2']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 10
 
How can I sort this array so the businesses are sorted by the
DistanceFromCustomer key?
 
Thanks for the help in advance,
 
Tim
---------------------------


Timothy Boyden


Network Administrator

tboyden at supercoups.com

SuperCoups(r)

 

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From strudeau at umich.edu  Mon May  7 11:49:10 2007
From: strudeau at umich.edu (Scott Trudeau)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:49:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to sort a multi-dimensional array by a given key?
In-Reply-To: <C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5E1@greenmonster.supercoups.local>
References: <C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5E1@greenmonster.supercoups.local>
Message-ID: <90174f6c0705070849i2c0a7790h2edbca3839044635@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure there's probably a better way to do this, but uasort() sorts
an array using a callback provided callback function for item
comparisons -- which you can use to compare the specific key you want
to sort by.  It seems like there should be a more generic way to do
this by providing the name of the key on which you want to sort.


$franchises['SCID1'] = SCNYC
$franchises['SCID1']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of NY City
$franchises['SCID1']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 20
$franchises['SCID2'] = SCBUFF
$franchises['SCID2']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of Buffalo
$franchises['SCID2']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 10

uasort($franchises, "cmp_distance");

function cmp_distance($a, $b) {
	if($a['DistanceFromCustomer'] == $b['DistanceFromCustomer']) return 0;	
	return ($a['DistanceFromCustomer'] < $b['DistanceFromCustomer']) ? -1 : 1;
}



On 5/7/07, Timothy Boyden <tboyden at supercoups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a multi-dimensional array such as:
>
> $franchises['SCID1'] = SCNYC
> $franchises['SCID1']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of NY
> City
> $franchises['SCID1']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 20
>
> $franchises['SCID2'] = SCBUFF
> $franchises['SCID2']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups
> of Buffalo
> $franchises['SCID2']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 10
>
> How can I sort this array so the businesses are sorted by the
> DistanceFromCustomer key?
>
> Thanks for the help in advance,
>
> Tim
>
>
> ---------------------------
> Timothy Boyden
>
> Network Administrator
>
> tboyden at supercoups.com
>
>
>
> SuperCoups(r)
>
>
>
> 350 Revolutionary Drive | E. Taunton, MA 02718
>
> 508-977-2034  | www.supercoups.com
>
>
>
> We Support Alex's Lemonade Stand Foundation,
>
> "Fighting Childhood Cancer One Cup At A Time"
>
> Donations Accepted at: www.firstgiving.com/SuperCoups
>
> ---------------------------
>
> Local Coupons. Super Savings.(r)
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
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>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
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>


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Mon May  7 11:51:24 2007
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 11:51:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to sort a multi-dimensional array by a given key?
In-Reply-To: <C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5E1@greenmonster.supercoups.local>
References: <C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5E1@greenmonster.supercoups.local>
Message-ID: <463F4AFC.4090206@phpwerx.net>

Timothy Boyden wrote:
> Hi All,
>  
> I have a multi-dimensional array such as:
>  
> $franchises['SCID1'] = SCNYC
> $franchises['SCID1']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of NY City
> $franchises['SCID1']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 20
> $franchises['SCID2'] = SCBUFF
> $franchises['SCID2']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of Buffalo
> $franchises['SCID2']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 10
>  
> How can I sort this array so the businesses are sorted by the
> DistanceFromCustomer key?

Firstly, your array above looks somewhat suspect, you might want to use
actual code for your example.

That said, try the following:

$franchises = array();
$franchises['SCID1'] = array();
$franchises['SCID1']['BusinessName'] = 'SuperCoups of NY City';
$franchises['SCID1']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 20;
$franchises['SCID2'] = array();
$franchises['SCID2']['BusinessName'] = 'SuperCoups of Buffalo';
$franchises['SCID2']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 10;

uasort($franchises,create_function('$a,$b','return
strnatcmp($a["DistanceFromCustomer"],$b["DistanceFromCustomer"]);'));

Dan


From tboyden at supercoups.com  Mon May  7 11:57:36 2007
From: tboyden at supercoups.com (Timothy Boyden)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:57:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to sort a multi-dimensional array by a given key?
In-Reply-To: <90174f6c0705070849i2c0a7790h2edbca3839044635@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5E1@greenmonster.supercoups.local>
	<90174f6c0705070849i2c0a7790h2edbca3839044635@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5E6@greenmonster.supercoups.local>

Scott,

That worked great!

Thanks,

Tim 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Scott Trudeau
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:49 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How to sort a multi-dimensional array by a
given key?

I'm sure there's probably a better way to do this, but uasort() sorts an
array using a callback provided callback function for item comparisons
-- which you can use to compare the specific key you want to sort by.
It seems like there should be a more generic way to do this by providing
the name of the key on which you want to sort.


$franchises['SCID1'] = SCNYC
$franchises['SCID1']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of NY City
$franchises['SCID1']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 20 $franchises['SCID2'] =
SCBUFF $franchises['SCID2']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of Buffalo
$franchises['SCID2']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 10

uasort($franchises, "cmp_distance");

function cmp_distance($a, $b) {
	if($a['DistanceFromCustomer'] == $b['DistanceFromCustomer'])
return 0;	
	return ($a['DistanceFromCustomer'] < $b['DistanceFromCustomer'])
? -1 : 1; }



On 5/7/07, Timothy Boyden <tboyden at supercoups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a multi-dimensional array such as:
>
> $franchises['SCID1'] = SCNYC
> $franchises['SCID1']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of NY City 
> $franchises['SCID1']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 20
>
> $franchises['SCID2'] = SCBUFF
> $franchises['SCID2']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of Buffalo 
> $franchises['SCID2']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 10
>
> How can I sort this array so the businesses are sorted by the 
> DistanceFromCustomer key?
>
> Thanks for the help in advance,
>
> Tim
>
>
> ---------------------------
> Timothy Boyden
>
> Network Administrator
>
> tboyden at supercoups.com
>
>
>
> SuperCoups(r)
>
>
>
> 350 Revolutionary Drive | E. Taunton, MA 02718
>
> 508-977-2034  | www.supercoups.com
>
>
>
> We Support Alex's Lemonade Stand Foundation,
>
> "Fighting Childhood Cancer One Cup At A Time"
>
> Donations Accepted at: www.firstgiving.com/SuperCoups
>
> ---------------------------
>
> Local Coupons. Super Savings.(r)
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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>
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From ashaw at polymerdb.org  Mon May  7 11:58:21 2007
From: ashaw at polymerdb.org (Allen Shaw)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 10:58:21 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to sort a multi-dimensional array by a given key?
In-Reply-To: <C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5E1@greenmonster.supercoups.local>
References: <C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5E1@greenmonster.supercoups.local>
Message-ID: <463F4C9D.6000600@polymerdb.org>

Hi Tim,

array_multisort() should do the trick.  See the manual 
(http://php.net/array_multisort) for some examples ("Example 256. 
Sorting database results") much like what you're describing.

Essentially, you'll have to loop through the array to create another 
array something like:
	$sortDistance['SCID1']=>20
	$sortDistance['SCID2']=>10
and then call:
	array_multisort($franchises, $sortDistance);



- Allen


Timothy Boyden wrote:
> Hi All,
>  
> I have a multi-dimensional array such as:
>  
> $franchises['SCID1'] = SCNYC
> $franchises['SCID1']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of NY City
> $franchises['SCID1']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 20
> $franchises['SCID2'] = SCBUFF
> $franchises['SCID2']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of Buffalo
> $franchises['SCID2']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 10
>  
> How can I sort this array so the businesses are sorted by the 
> DistanceFromCustomer key?
>  
> Thanks for the help in advance,
>  
> Tim
> 
> ---------------------------
> 
> 
>   Timothy Boyden
> 
> /Network Administrator/
> 
> tboyden at supercoups.com <mailto:tboyden at supercoups.com>
> 
> *SuperCoups^? *
> 
> ** 
> 
> 350 Revolutionary Drive | E. Taunton, MA 02718
> 
> 508-977-2034  | www.supercoups.com <http://www.supercoups.com/>
> 
>  
> 
> We Support Alex's Lemonade Stand Foundation,
> 
> ?Fighting Childhood Cancer One Cup At A Time?
> 
> Donations Accepted at: www.firstgiving.com/SuperCoups 
> <http://www.firstgiving.com/supercoups>
> 
> ---------------------------
> 
> Local Coupons. Super Savings.^?
> 
>  
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
> 
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
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-- 
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Polymer (http://polymerdb.org)
slidePresenter (http://slides.sourceforge.net)


From tboyden at supercoups.com  Mon May  7 12:41:34 2007
From: tboyden at supercoups.com (Timothy Boyden)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:41:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to sort a multi-dimensional array by a given key?
In-Reply-To: <463F4C9D.6000600@polymerdb.org>
References: <C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5E1@greenmonster.supercoups.local>
	<463F4C9D.6000600@polymerdb.org>
Message-ID: <C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5EA@greenmonster.supercoups.local>

Scott's solution worked for me, but is there any performance/security
benefit from Allen's suggestion?

-Tim 

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On Behalf Of Allen Shaw
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:58 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How to sort a multi-dimensional array by a
given key?

Hi Tim,

array_multisort() should do the trick.  See the manual
(http://php.net/array_multisort) for some examples ("Example 256. 
Sorting database results") much like what you're describing.

Essentially, you'll have to loop through the array to create another
array something like:
	$sortDistance['SCID1']=>20
	$sortDistance['SCID2']=>10
and then call:
	array_multisort($franchises, $sortDistance);



- Allen


Timothy Boyden wrote:
> Hi All,
>  
> I have a multi-dimensional array such as:
>  
> $franchises['SCID1'] = SCNYC
> $franchises['SCID1']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of NY City
> $franchises['SCID1']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 20
> $franchises['SCID2'] = SCBUFF
> $franchises['SCID2']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of Buffalo
> $franchises['SCID2']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 10
>  
> How can I sort this array so the businesses are sorted by the 
> DistanceFromCustomer key?
>  
> Thanks for the help in advance,
>  
> Tim
> 
> ---------------------------
> 
> 
>   Timothy Boyden
> 
> /Network Administrator/
> 
> tboyden at supercoups.com <mailto:tboyden at supercoups.com>
> 
> *SuperCoups^(r) *
> 
> ** 
> 
> 350 Revolutionary Drive | E. Taunton, MA 02718
> 
> 508-977-2034  | www.supercoups.com <http://www.supercoups.com/>
> 
>  
> 
> We Support Alex's Lemonade Stand Foundation,
> 
> "Fighting Childhood Cancer One Cup At A Time"
> 
> Donations Accepted at: www.firstgiving.com/SuperCoups 
> <http://www.firstgiving.com/supercoups>
> 
> ---------------------------
> 
> Local Coupons. Super Savings.^(r)
> 
>  
> 
> 
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
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> 
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-- 
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From ashaw at polymerdb.org  Mon May  7 12:49:01 2007
From: ashaw at polymerdb.org (Allen Shaw)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 11:49:01 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to sort a multi-dimensional array by a given key?
In-Reply-To: <C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5EA@greenmonster.supercoups.local>
References: <C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5E1@greenmonster.supercoups.local>	<463F4C9D.6000600@polymerdb.org>
	<C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5EA@greenmonster.supercoups.local>
Message-ID: <463F587D.4030003@polymerdb.org>

Wish I could answer that for you, Tim.  I've always done it this way and 
hadn't thought of uasort() before Scott and Dan mentioned it.  Hopefully 
they'll be able to comment on it, because I'm curious, too.

- Allen

Timothy Boyden wrote:
> Scott's solution worked for me, but is there any performance/security
> benefit from Allen's suggestion?
> 
> -Tim 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On Behalf Of Allen Shaw
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:58 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How to sort a multi-dimensional array by a
> given key?
> 
> Hi Tim,
> 
> array_multisort() should do the trick.  See the manual
> (http://php.net/array_multisort) for some examples ("Example 256. 
> Sorting database results") much like what you're describing.
> 
> Essentially, you'll have to loop through the array to create another
> array something like:
> 	$sortDistance['SCID1']=>20
> 	$sortDistance['SCID2']=>10
> and then call:
> 	array_multisort($franchises, $sortDistance);
> 
> 
> 
> - Allen
> 
> 
> Timothy Boyden wrote:
> 
>>Hi All,
>> 
>>I have a multi-dimensional array such as:
>> 
>>$franchises['SCID1'] = SCNYC
>>$franchises['SCID1']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of NY City
>>$franchises['SCID1']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 20
>>$franchises['SCID2'] = SCBUFF
>>$franchises['SCID2']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of Buffalo
>>$franchises['SCID2']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 10
>> 
>>How can I sort this array so the businesses are sorted by the 
>>DistanceFromCustomer key?
>> 
>>Thanks for the help in advance,
>> 
>>Tim
>>
>>---------------------------
>>
>>
>>  Timothy Boyden
>>
>>/Network Administrator/
>>
>>tboyden at supercoups.com <mailto:tboyden at supercoups.com>
>>
>>*SuperCoups^(r) *
>>
>>** 
>>
>>350 Revolutionary Drive | E. Taunton, MA 02718
>>
>>508-977-2034  | www.supercoups.com <http://www.supercoups.com/>
>>
>> 
>>
>>We Support Alex's Lemonade Stand Foundation,
>>
>>"Fighting Childhood Cancer One Cup At A Time"
>>
>>Donations Accepted at: www.firstgiving.com/SuperCoups 
>><http://www.firstgiving.com/supercoups>
>>
>>---------------------------
>>
>>Local Coupons. Super Savings.^(r)
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>>_______________________________________________
>>New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
>>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>>NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
>>http://www.nyphpcon.com
>>
>>Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>>http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Allen Shaw
Polymer (http://polymerdb.org)
slidePresenter (http://slides.sourceforge.net)


From strudeau at umich.edu  Mon May  7 13:48:36 2007
From: strudeau at umich.edu (Scott Trudeau)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:48:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How to sort a multi-dimensional array by a given key?
In-Reply-To: <463F587D.4030003@polymerdb.org>
References: <C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5E1@greenmonster.supercoups.local>
	<463F4C9D.6000600@polymerdb.org>
	<C12F0900C695FF47AEE0A7C2C75760A09DF5EA@greenmonster.supercoups.local>
	<463F587D.4030003@polymerdb.org>
Message-ID: <90174f6c0705071048s6996c008ua4fcb5983fc250ab@mail.gmail.com>

Dan's solution is slightly more compact and a bit easier to generalize
if you're doing different kinds of sorts, but it's the same basic
idea.

Scott

On 5/7/07, Allen Shaw <ashaw at polymerdb.org> wrote:
> Wish I could answer that for you, Tim.  I've always done it this way and
> hadn't thought of uasort() before Scott and Dan mentioned it.  Hopefully
> they'll be able to comment on it, because I'm curious, too.
>
> - Allen
>
> Timothy Boyden wrote:
> > Scott's solution worked for me, but is there any performance/security
> > benefit from Allen's suggestion?
> >
> > -Tim
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> > On Behalf Of Allen Shaw
> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 11:58 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] How to sort a multi-dimensional array by a
> > given key?
> >
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > array_multisort() should do the trick.  See the manual
> > (http://php.net/array_multisort) for some examples ("Example 256.
> > Sorting database results") much like what you're describing.
> >
> > Essentially, you'll have to loop through the array to create another
> > array something like:
> >       $sortDistance['SCID1']=>20
> >       $sortDistance['SCID2']=>10
> > and then call:
> >       array_multisort($franchises, $sortDistance);
> >
> >
> >
> > - Allen
> >
> >
> > Timothy Boyden wrote:
> >
> >>Hi All,
> >>
> >>I have a multi-dimensional array such as:
> >>
> >>$franchises['SCID1'] = SCNYC
> >>$franchises['SCID1']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of NY City
> >>$franchises['SCID1']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 20
> >>$franchises['SCID2'] = SCBUFF
> >>$franchises['SCID2']['BusinessName'] = SuperCoups of Buffalo
> >>$franchises['SCID2']['DistanceFromCustomer'] = 10
> >>
> >>How can I sort this array so the businesses are sorted by the
> >>DistanceFromCustomer key?
> >>
> >>Thanks for the help in advance,
> >>
> >>Tim
> >>
> >>---------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >>  Timothy Boyden
> >>
> >>/Network Administrator/
> >>
> >>tboyden at supercoups.com <mailto:tboyden at supercoups.com>
> >>
> >>*SuperCoups^(r) *
> >>
> >>**
> >>
> >>350 Revolutionary Drive | E. Taunton, MA 02718
> >>
> >>508-977-2034  | www.supercoups.com <http://www.supercoups.com/>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>We Support Alex's Lemonade Stand Foundation,
> >>
> >>"Fighting Childhood Cancer One Cup At A Time"
> >>
> >>Donations Accepted at: www.firstgiving.com/SuperCoups
> >><http://www.firstgiving.com/supercoups>
> >>
> >>---------------------------
> >>
> >>Local Coupons. Super Savings.^(r)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> >>http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >>
> >>NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> >>http://www.nyphpcon.com
> >>
> >>Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> >>http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Allen Shaw
> Polymer (http://polymerdb.org)
> slidePresenter (http://slides.sourceforge.net)
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


From ken at secdat.com  Tue May  8 07:35:18 2007
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 07:35:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [ANNOUNCE] Andromeda adopts YAML for spec files
Message-ID: <46406076.3070009@secdat.com>

The latest version of Andromeda now makes use of the YAML format for our 
database specification files, replacing a home-grown solution used in 
the past.

The database specification file is the heart of an Andromeda 
application, as it contains a complete description not just of table 
structures, but of security, constraints, and automations.

Adopting YAML gives us the advantage of using a format that people are 
already familiar with (and growing more so), plus the advantage of using 
a freely-available parser, and of course not having to maintain our own 
parser any more.

The tutorials and Introduction on the website have been updated to 
reflect the new format.

-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software, Inc.
www.secdat.com    www.andromeda-project.org
631-689-7200   Fax: 631-689-0527
cell: 631-379-0010



From dorgan at optonline.net  Wed May  9 10:37:07 2007
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J Organ IV)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 10:37:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IMAP_FETCHSTRUCTURE
Message-ID: <4641DC93.9060202@optonline.net>

Has anyone that has done with with imap_fetchstructure run into the 
problem where in the parameters array the object containing the 
name/value pair the value is being truncated....

In this instance I am seeing some emails that the attachment filenames 
are being truncated to the first letter so in stead of being 
"file-name.txt" it shows up as "f"

Any help would be appreciated.


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Wed May  9 16:50:31 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 23:50:31 +0300
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IMAP_FETCHSTRUCTURE
In-Reply-To: <4641DC93.9060202@optonline.net>
References: <4641DC93.9060202@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <b76252690705091350l1a203701pb0159d8679d65d22@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/9/07, Donald J Organ IV <dorgan at optonline.net> wrote:

> In this instance I am seeing some emails that the attachment filenames
> are being truncated to the first letter so in stead of being
> "file-name.txt" it shows up as "f"
>

Any chance that it's not an array sometimes, but a string?


From dorgan at optonline.net  Wed May  9 17:28:34 2007
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J Organ IV)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 17:28:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IMAP_FETCHSTRUCTURE
In-Reply-To: <b76252690705091350l1a203701pb0159d8679d65d22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4641DC93.9060202@optonline.net>
	<b76252690705091350l1a203701pb0159d8679d65d22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46423D02.7000704@optonline.net>

Note in this instance.  And just so everyone on the list who is reading 
this here is part of the print_r() of what is returned from 
imap_fetchstructure:

[1] => stdClass Object
                (
                    [type] => 3
                    [encoding] => 3
                    [ifsubtype] => 1
                    [subtype] => POSTSCRIPT
                    [ifdescription] => 0
                    [ifid] => 0
                    [bytes] => 395650
                    [ifdisposition] => 1
                    [disposition] => attachment
                    [ifdparameters] => 1
                    [dparameters] => Array
                        (
                            [0] => stdClass Object
                                (
                                    [attribute] => filename
                                    [value] => P
                                )

                        )

                    [ifparameters] => 1
                    [parameters] => Array
                        (
                            [0] => stdClass Object
                                (
                                    [attribute] => name
                                    [value] => P
                                )

                        )

                )




csnyder wrote:
> On 5/9/07, Donald J. Organ IV <dorgan at optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> In this instance I am seeing some emails that the attachment filenames
>> are being truncated to the first letter so in stead of being
>> "file-name.txt" it shows up as "f"
>>
>
> Any chance that it's not an array sometimes, but a string?
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From ken at secdat.com  Thu May 10 10:25:19 2007
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:25:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IMAP_FETCHSTRUCTURE
In-Reply-To: <4641DC93.9060202@optonline.net>
References: <4641DC93.9060202@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <46432B4F.8030502@secdat.com>

Donald J Organ IV wrote:
> Has anyone that has done with with imap_fetchstructure run into the 
> problem where in the parameters array the object containing the 
> name/value pair the value is being truncated....
>
> In this instance I am seeing some emails that the attachment filenames 
> are being truncated to the first letter so in stead of being 
> "file-name.txt" it shows up as "f"
>
> Any help would be appreciated.

I did have some success about a year ago with various PEAR email 
packages.  There is one really nifty one that parses an entire email 
into its complete nested tree of text and attachments, a really cool 
Right Thing kind of package.  It saved me from having to learn too much 
about the internals of emails.

Don't know if you've tried that or if its relevant, but here's hoping it 
helps.


> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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www.secdat.com    www.andromeda-project.org
631-689-7200   Fax: 631-689-0527
cell: 631-379-0010



From dorgan at optonline.net  Thu May 10 10:33:46 2007
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J Organ IV)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:33:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IMAP_FETCHSTRUCTURE
In-Reply-To: <46432B4F.8030502@secdat.com>
References: <4641DC93.9060202@optonline.net> <46432B4F.8030502@secdat.com>
Message-ID: <46432D4A.7050200@optonline.net>

i don think the pear packages would have much success in this instance 
as well, because i believe they rely on the imap functions as well and 
this is the imap_fetchstructure function that i am having the issue with.

Kenneth Downs wrote:
> Donald J Organ IV wrote:
>> Has anyone that has done with with imap_fetchstructure run into the 
>> problem where in the parameters array the object containing the 
>> name/value pair the value is being truncated....
>>
>> In this instance I am seeing some emails that the attachment 
>> filenames are being truncated to the first letter so in stead of 
>> being "file-name.txt" it shows up as "f"
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> I did have some success about a year ago with various PEAR email 
> packages.  There is one really nifty one that parses an entire email 
> into its complete nested tree of text and attachments, a really cool 
> Right Thing kind of package.  It saved me from having to learn too 
> much about the internals of emails.
>
> Don't know if you've tried that or if its relevant, but here's hoping 
> it helps.
>
>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
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From dcech at phpwerx.net  Thu May 10 10:47:55 2007
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:47:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IMAP_FETCHSTRUCTURE
In-Reply-To: <46432D4A.7050200@optonline.net>
References: <4641DC93.9060202@optonline.net> <46432B4F.8030502@secdat.com>
	<46432D4A.7050200@optonline.net>
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Donald J Organ IV wrote:
> i don think the pear packages would have much success in this instance
> as well, because i believe they rely on the imap functions as well and
> this is the imap_fetchstructure function that i am having the issue with.

I have been using the PEAR Mail_mimeDecode class for a number of years
now.  In general it does a very good job, and doesn't use any imap_*
functions.

Dan


From dorgan at optonline.net  Thu May 10 12:58:38 2007
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J Organ IV)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 12:58:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IMAP_FETCHSTRUCTURE
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From dcech at phpwerx.net  Thu May 10 13:18:56 2007
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:18:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IMAP_FETCHSTRUCTURE
In-Reply-To: <46434F3E.7060008@optonline.net>
References: <4641DC93.9060202@optonline.net>
	<46432B4F.8030502@secdat.com>	<46432D4A.7050200@optonline.net>
	<4643309B.3020506@phpwerx.net> <46434F3E.7060008@optonline.net>
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Donald J Organ IV wrote:
> Dan Cech wrote:
>> Donald J Organ IV wrote:
>>> i don think the pear packages would have much success in this instance
>>> as well, because i believe they rely on the imap functions as well and
>>> this is the imap_fetchstructure function that i am having the issue with.  
>>
>> I have been using the PEAR Mail_mimeDecode class for a number of years
>> now.  In general it does a very good job, and doesn't use any imap_*
>> functions.
>>
> I assume this will give me a list of the attachments, and there attachmentid if 
> any??

Yes, if you look at the pear.php.net site there is some documentation
available.

http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.mail.mail-mimedecode.decode.php

You can easily work with each element in a multipart email.

PS it is good netiquette to post your response below the text you are
responding to, as well as trimming excess cruft from the mail.

http://linux.sgms-centre.com/misc/netiquette.php#toppost

Dan


From support at dailytechnology.net  Thu May 10 15:17:28 2007
From: support at dailytechnology.net (Brian Dailey)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:17:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CakePHP wins "Web 2.0" award
Message-ID: <46436FC8.5020402@dailytechnology.net>

I use this on a (semi-)daily basis, so I'm glad to see the CakePHP devs 
getting some more attention. I can't wait until the stable 1.2 release!

http://www.seomoz.org/web2.0#cat_51

"Cake is a rapid development framework for PHP whose primary goal is to 
provide a structured framework that enables PHP users at all levels to 
rapidly develop robust web applications, without any loss to flexibility."

CakePHP got high marks in usefulness, usability, interface/design, and 
quality.

-- 

Thanks!
- Brian Dailey
Software Developer
New York, NY
www.dailytechnology.net
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Thu May 10 15:24:00 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:24:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CakePHP wins "Web 2.0" award
In-Reply-To: <46436FC8.5020402@dailytechnology.net>
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Message-ID: <70F4BE87-26EB-41A5-B160-7C28F40D54A0@jonbaer.com>

Congrats to Nate 2.0 and the whole team ...

On May 10, 2007, at 3:17 PM, Brian Dailey wrote:

> I use this on a (semi-)daily basis, so I'm glad to see the CakePHP  
> devs getting some more attention. I can't wait until the stable 1.2  
> release!
>
> http://www.seomoz.org/web2.0#cat_51
>
> "Cake is a rapid development framework for PHP whose primary goal  
> is to provide a structured framework that enables PHP users at all  
> levels to rapidly develop robust web applications, without any loss  
> to flexibility."
>
> CakePHP got high marks in usefulness, usability, interface/design,  
> and quality.



From ken at secdat.com  Thu May 10 15:27:55 2007
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:27:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] CakePHP wins "Web 2.0" award
In-Reply-To: <46436FC8.5020402@dailytechnology.net>
References: <46436FC8.5020402@dailytechnology.net>
Message-ID: <4643723B.8060000@secdat.com>

Congratulations to the team, it is well deserved.

Brian Dailey wrote:
> I use this on a (semi-)daily basis, so I'm glad to see the CakePHP 
> devs getting some more attention. I can't wait until the stable 1.2 
> release!
>
> http://www.seomoz.org/web2.0#cat_51
>
> "Cake is a rapid development framework for PHP whose primary goal is 
> to provide a structured framework that enables PHP users at all levels 
> to rapidly develop robust web applications, without any loss to 
> flexibility."
>
> CakePHP got high marks in usefulness, usability, interface/design, and 
> quality.
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php


-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software, Inc.
www.secdat.com    www.andromeda-project.org
631-689-7200   Fax: 631-689-0527
cell: 631-379-0010



From dorgan at optonline.net  Thu May 10 16:41:59 2007
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J Organ IV)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:41:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IMAP_FETCHSTRUCTURE
In-Reply-To: <46435400.3040501@phpwerx.net>
References: <4641DC93.9060202@optonline.net> <46432B4F.8030502@secdat.com>
	<46432D4A.7050200@optonline.net> <4643309B.3020506@phpwerx.net>
	<46434F3E.7060008@optonline.net> <46435400.3040501@phpwerx.net>
Message-ID: <46438397.30503@optonline.net>


> Yes, if you look at the pear.php.net site there is some documentation
> available.
>
> http://pear.php.net/manual/en/package.mail.mail-mimedecode.decode.php
>
> You can easily work with each element in a multipart email.
>   
Would you be willing to provide an example I am a little lost on how to 
get the message from the imap inbox to pass it to the decode function.


From cmerlo at ncc.edu  Thu May 10 19:47:35 2007
From: cmerlo at ncc.edu (Christopher R. Merlo)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 19:47:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT - Java Constants and Switch statements
Message-ID: <946586480705101647p67ecebc3v6ba99b3f2e69923d@mail.gmail.com>

Friends:
Sorry for the OT post, but I'm grading a student's Java project and trying
to be fair.  If you know lots of things about Java's compiler, especially
1.4 and 1.5, and how it handles the switch statement, please contact me
off-list.  Thanks.
-c
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From ramons at gmx.net  Thu May 10 20:35:59 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:35:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Checking 'mime type' of local file
Message-ID: <4643BA6F.3020807@gmx.net>

Hi!

When one gets a file via upload information about the file is in $_FILE 
and with that also the MIME type (although one cannot rely on that).

Is there anything like this that works on local files as well? In 
particular, I want to figure out if a file is really an image file and 
not just some junk file that happens to have a .jpg, .tif, etc file 
extension.
I thought about going by the exif header, but some image files don't 
have that, but are still valid, web supported image files.

Am I pushing my luck here?

David


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Thu May 10 21:02:49 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 21:02:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Checking 'mime type' of local file
In-Reply-To: <4643BA6F.3020807@gmx.net>
References: <4643BA6F.3020807@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <DAE670BD-6F05-4AFB-8104-BDF4185D5B47@jonbaer.com>

What you're really looking for the is the 'magic' of the bin file.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_%28programming%29

There is a PECL extension for diving into libmagic ...

http://pecl.php.net/package/Fileinfo

- Jon

On May 10, 2007, at 8:35 PM, David Krings wrote:

> Hi!
>
> When one gets a file via upload information about the file is in  
> $_FILE and with that also the MIME type (although one cannot rely  
> on that).
>
> Is there anything like this that works on local files as well? In  
> particular, I want to figure out if a file is really an image file  
> and not just some junk file that happens to have a .jpg, .tif, etc  
> file extension.
> I thought about going by the exif header, but some image files  
> don't have that, but are still valid, web supported image files.
>
> Am I pushing my luck here?
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
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>
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From paul at devonianfarm.com  Thu May 10 21:31:28 2007
From: paul at devonianfarm.com (Paul Houle)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 21:31:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Any alternatives to mbstring for PHP+UTF-8?
In-Reply-To: <463A004B.5040303@gmail.com>
References: <463A004B.5040303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4643C770.9010403@devonianfarm.com>

Jakob Buchgraber wrote:
> Hey!
>
> I was wondering whether there are alternatives to mbstring for 
> handling UTF-8 encoded data with PHP?
> I am asking, because I'd like to play around with as many 
> "technologies" as possible before I actually start developing.
> I somehow also looked at the way Joomla! did it, but I don't really 
> like their solution.
>
    Sometimes you can process UTF-8 without doing anything special.  For 
instance,  if you want to pull some text out of a MySQL database and 
display it on a web page,  you can pass the UTF-8 text through without 
using mbstring in PHP:  the one thing you need to do is set the 
character encoding of the HTML document to UTF-8.

    A big strength of UTF-8 is that UTF-8 is compatible with US-ASCII;  
all US-ASCII characters are the same in UTF-8.  This means that you can 
explode on ",",  "\t",  "\n" or a space just like you always do.

    Any regex on Unicode 'characters' can be translated to a regex that 
works on UTF-8 bytes.  This may be awkwards sometimes,  but it can be an 
efficient way to do many operations,  including those that "get under 
the hood" of your language.

    Avoid unnecessary character conversions.  If you can take UTF-8 in,  
process it as UTF-8,  and output UTF-8,  that's really the best.  People 
who work with languages like Java,  that do character conversions for 
you,  often find they're not in control of their character conversions.  
Years ago I discovered that the contents of a postgres database were 
double-encoded...  The bytes that made up the first UTF-8 encoding were 
treated as iso-latin-1 characters,  and re-encoded in Unicode...  If 
you're working with Unicode,  you'll probably need to deal with problems 
like this from time to time.

    The main weakness of UTF-8 is that it's a variable-length encoding.  
That means it's hard to pick out the N'th character of a string.  
mbstring has a function that lets you do this,  but be careful how you 
use it.  Getting the N'th character of a UTF-8 string is an O(N) 
operation,  and iterating over the whole string is O(N^2)...  Ouch.  
Efficient algorithms for UTF-8 tend to work sequentially -- and quite a 
few of them can be translated to string algorithms over the bytes.

    There's no substitute for understanding how Unicode and UTF-8 and 
related representations work -- if you work with it enough,  you'll see 
all kinds of malformed text and you'll need to be able to deal with it.



From ramons at gmx.net  Thu May 10 22:00:44 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:00:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Checking 'mime type' of local file
In-Reply-To: <DAE670BD-6F05-4AFB-8104-BDF4185D5B47@jonbaer.com>
References: <4643BA6F.3020807@gmx.net>
	<DAE670BD-6F05-4AFB-8104-BDF4185D5B47@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <4643CE4C.60804@gmx.net>

Jon Baer wrote:
> What you're really looking for the is the 'magic' of the bin file.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_%28programming%29
> 
> There is a PECL extension for diving into libmagic ...
> 
> http://pecl.php.net/package/Fileinfo
> 
> - Jon
> 
Thank you very much! I give that a try. Amazing what you know...

David


From dorgan at optonline.net  Fri May 11 10:59:59 2007
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J Organ IV)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:59:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] JSON
Message-ID: <464484EF.4080409@optonline.net>

ANyone had any experiences with large datasets and JSON, seems the email 
interface i am writing is starting to choke with the data that is coming 
into it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri May 11 11:15:56 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:15:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] JSON
In-Reply-To: <464484EF.4080409@optonline.net>
References: <464484EF.4080409@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <45CBA213-B45B-4B6E-B9DF-663204A67C55@jonbaer.com>

How large?  Im using a YUI datatable w/ JSON @ 250k and no issues so  
far.  I think anything over it Im going to have to page the data.   
The library does this automagically which is great, the very bad side  
is that its currently "beta" ... what library are you using?

- Jon

On May 11, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Donald J Organ IV wrote:

> ANyone had any experiences with large datasets and JSON, seems the  
> email interface i am writing is starting to choke with the data  
> that is coming into it.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From dorgan at optonline.net  Fri May 11 11:21:19 2007
From: dorgan at optonline.net (Donald J Organ IV)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:21:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] JSON
In-Reply-To: <45CBA213-B45B-4B6E-B9DF-663204A67C55@jonbaer.com>
References: <464484EF.4080409@optonline.net>
	<45CBA213-B45B-4B6E-B9DF-663204A67C55@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <464489EF.2030401@optonline.net>

What do you mean which library am I using....I am using php to convert a 
multidimensional array into JSON then using the eval statement in 
javascript on it.


 

Jon Baer wrote:
> How large?  Im using a YUI datatable w/ JSON @ 250k and no issues so 
> far.  I think anything over it Im going to have to page the data.  The 
> library does this automagically which is great, the very bad side is 
> that its currently "beta" ... what library are you using?
>
> - Jon
>
> On May 11, 2007, at 10:59 AM, Donald J Organ IV wrote:
>
>> ANyone had any experiences with large datasets and JSON, seems the 
>> email interface i am writing is starting to choke with the data that 
>> is coming into it.
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
>> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>>
>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri May 11 11:39:33 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 11:39:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Checking 'mime type' of local file
In-Reply-To: <DAE670BD-6F05-4AFB-8104-BDF4185D5B47@jonbaer.com>
References: <4643BA6F.3020807@gmx.net>
	<DAE670BD-6F05-4AFB-8104-BDF4185D5B47@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690705110839t74a1232cofe6e65f9e7fecc4c@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/10/07, Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:
> What you're really looking for the is the 'magic' of the bin file.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_%28programming%29
>
> There is a PECL extension for diving into libmagic ...
>
> http://pecl.php.net/package/Fileinfo
>

In the past, I've made use of the unix file command for this.

csnyder$ file -bi Desktop/DSC01060.jpg
image/jpeg

Command above uses -b for brief, and -i to get the mimetype of the file.

-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri May 11 12:09:00 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:09:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Checking 'mime type' of local file
In-Reply-To: <b76252690705110839t74a1232cofe6e65f9e7fecc4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4643BA6F.3020807@gmx.net>
	<DAE670BD-6F05-4AFB-8104-BDF4185D5B47@jonbaer.com>
	<b76252690705110839t74a1232cofe6e65f9e7fecc4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9C786B11-2AE5-451E-A109-0BF04D24A43C@jonbaer.com>

The interesting part is the magic db which file does use ...

G5:~ jonbaer$ egrep "jpeg|png|gif" /usr/share/file/magic.mime
0       string          GIF             image/gif
0       beshort         0xffd8          image/jpeg
0       string          \x89PNG                 image/png
G5:/~ jonbaer$

Also it has been recently updated (if you want to update your  
mime_magic.magicfile directive) ...

ftp://ftp.astron.com/pub/file/

- Jon

On May 11, 2007, at 11:39 AM, csnyder wrote:

> On 5/10/07, Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:
>> What you're really looking for the is the 'magic' of the bin file.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_%28programming%29
>>
>> There is a PECL extension for diving into libmagic ...
>>
>> http://pecl.php.net/package/Fileinfo
>>
>
> In the past, I've made use of the unix file command for this.
>
> csnyder$ file -bi Desktop/DSC01060.jpg
> image/jpeg
>
> Command above uses -b for brief, and -i to get the mimetype of the  
> file.
>
> -- 
> Chris Snyder
> http://chxo.com/
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri May 11 13:56:42 2007
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:56:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Database Design Patterns
Message-ID: <8d9a42800705111056j7c479dd4y750f33df9ff166d2@mail.gmail.com>

Guys,

We are using CodeIgniter for our framework that will run our sites,
however the database implementation that they offer is based on the
Active Record pattern.  I have been running into issues that are
making me think this is not the pattern for us to use.

I have been going through the php|arch guide to php design patterns
and I believe that we would be better off with the Data Mapper
Pattern.

All of these patterns bring up a concern with me though.  They are
stating that each class should be related to one table.  We have
things setup like this.

Tables
Content
JobPostings
Articles
Reviews

etc.  Each of the tables have an entry in the Content table since they
all share Content in common.  Currently we have the Active Record
pattern and our models extend a base Content model.

So for example our job postings would be like this

http://jobs.ere.net/job/3431/

It will call the JobPostings model with the $this->jobs->load(3431);
which will load the job info, which then in turn calls
parent:load(3431); which will load the content for that particular
job.  I could do this in one join query and there are other times
where it would make more sense such as when grabbing multiple
locations for a JobPosting, etc.

My question is how can you join tables and still stick to the patterns
that I am reading about?  Does joining tables completely bypass the
reason for using these patterns?

I am not asking how to do a join, i know how to do that ;)  I just
would like some insight on the best practice when it comes to using
these patterns.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
http://www.codebowl.com/
Blog: http://www.josephcrawford.com/
1-802-671-2021
codebowl at gmail.com


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri May 11 14:31:39 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:31:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] JSON
In-Reply-To: <464489EF.2030401@optonline.net>
References: <464484EF.4080409@optonline.net>
	<45CBA213-B45B-4B6E-B9DF-663204A67C55@jonbaer.com>
	<464489EF.2030401@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <955D5FC1-D939-4722-8FBC-7D4E849FA7B4@jonbaer.com>

Ahh I thought you were maybe fiddling w/ the data via a framework,  
anyway how much JSON data are you loading?

I wish there was a page containing an updated version of this benchmark:
http://www.jamesward.org/wordpress/2007/04/30/ajax-and-flex-data- 
loading-benchmarks/

5000+ rows.

- Jon

On May 11, 2007, at 11:21 AM, Donald J Organ IV wrote:

> What do you mean which library am I using....I am using php to  
> convert a multidimensional array into JSON then using the eval  
> statement in javascript on it.



From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri May 11 14:45:23 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:45:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Database Design Patterns
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800705111056j7c479dd4y750f33df9ff166d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800705111056j7c479dd4y750f33df9ff166d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEEC5F1E-4C61-49DB-BEC2-ABDE799C1E67@jonbaer.com>

The key you are missing is the idea of a "hasMany", "hasOne",  
"hasAndBelongsToMany", "belongsTo", and the other conventions.

With that many of the joins are automagically created for you and you  
generally dont need to worry about your bindings are they will happen  
unless you tell them not to.

I think its about more to using ActiveRecord than just that record  
itself, its about how the row is encapsulating other logic which  
saves you time and work from figuring out.

I just browsed through the CI docs @ http://www.codeigniter.com/ 
user_guide/database/active_record.html and (no offense) have to say  
that I really can't see what you get out of it, even the chaining  
part ...

$this->db->select('title')->from('mytable')->where('id', $id)->limit 
(10, 20);

(ehh looks like straight SQL to me ;-)

So it looks like you would have to join and do all the work vs. say  
Cake where you would stick w/ a convention and have it all wrapped up  
for you.

(BTW, anyone correct me if Im wrong since I too am trying to explore  
what the pros/cons of other frameworks are).

- Jon

On May 11, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote:

> Guys,
>
> We are using CodeIgniter for our framework that will run our sites,
> however the database implementation that they offer is based on the
> Active Record pattern.  I have been running into issues that are
> making me think this is not the pattern for us to use.
>
> I have been going through the php|arch guide to php design patterns
> and I believe that we would be better off with the Data Mapper
> Pattern.
>
> All of these patterns bring up a concern with me though.  They are
> stating that each class should be related to one table.  We have
> things setup like this.
>
> Tables
> Content
> JobPostings
> Articles
> Reviews
>
> etc.  Each of the tables have an entry in the Content table since they
> all share Content in common.  Currently we have the Active Record
> pattern and our models extend a base Content model.
>
> So for example our job postings would be like this
>
> http://jobs.ere.net/job/3431/
>
> It will call the JobPostings model with the $this->jobs->load(3431);
> which will load the job info, which then in turn calls
> parent:load(3431); which will load the content for that particular
> job.  I could do this in one join query and there are other times
> where it would make more sense such as when grabbing multiple
> locations for a JobPosting, etc.
>
> My question is how can you join tables and still stick to the patterns
> that I am reading about?  Does joining tables completely bypass the
> reason for using these patterns?
>
> I am not asking how to do a join, i know how to do that ;)  I just
> would like some insight on the best practice when it comes to using
> these patterns.
>
> Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
>
> -- 
> Joseph Crawford Jr.
> Zend Certified Engineer
> Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
> http://www.codebowl.com/
> Blog: http://www.josephcrawford.com/
> 1-802-671-2021
> codebowl at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
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From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri May 11 15:11:54 2007
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:11:54 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Database Design Patterns
In-Reply-To: <EEEC5F1E-4C61-49DB-BEC2-ABDE799C1E67@jonbaer.com>
References: <8d9a42800705111056j7c479dd4y750f33df9ff166d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<EEEC5F1E-4C61-49DB-BEC2-ABDE799C1E67@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800705111211v231e0877qd97f78c70ccce28d@mail.gmail.com>

Jon,

I was aware that the CI active record pattern is not the best
implementation and if we were to go with a true active record i would
roll my own and integrate it into CI in one way or another.

I am just not sure what the benefits are for this as I read
documentation i do not see how the joins are done for you as you put
it.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
http://www.codebowl.com/
Blog: http://www.josephcrawford.com/
1-802-671-2021
codebowl at gmail.com


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri May 11 15:43:18 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 15:43:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Database Design Patterns
In-Reply-To: <8d9a42800705111211v231e0877qd97f78c70ccce28d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d9a42800705111056j7c479dd4y750f33df9ff166d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<EEEC5F1E-4C61-49DB-BEC2-ABDE799C1E67@jonbaer.com>
	<8d9a42800705111211v231e0877qd97f78c70ccce28d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F125A4D-591B-419B-B500-5B4E99EE97E8@jonbaer.com>

Im biased and was talking specifically re: CakePHP AR HBTM  
implementation ...
http://manual.cakephp.org/chapter/models

Your simple join would be as simple as:
class A extends AppModel { $var hasMany = array("B"); }
class B extends AppModel { $var belongsTo = array("A"); }
$a = $this->A->findById($id);
$a['B']['field'];
(provided you have a b_id in table A)

This would be the core idea you would have to wrap a CI library  
around from what I can tell.  But like I said Id too would be  
interested to know if the facility already exists in CI.

- Jon

On May 11, 2007, at 3:11 PM, Joseph Crawford wrote:

> Jon,
>
> I was aware that the CI active record pattern is not the best
> implementation and if we were to go with a true active record i would
> roll my own and integrate it into CI in one way or another.
>
> I am just not sure what the benefits are for this as I read
> documentation i do not see how the joins are done for you as you put
> it.


From codebowl at gmail.com  Fri May 11 16:56:42 2007
From: codebowl at gmail.com (Joseph Crawford)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 16:56:42 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Database Design Patterns
In-Reply-To: <7F125A4D-591B-419B-B500-5B4E99EE97E8@jonbaer.com>
References: <8d9a42800705111056j7c479dd4y750f33df9ff166d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<EEEC5F1E-4C61-49DB-BEC2-ABDE799C1E67@jonbaer.com>
	<8d9a42800705111211v231e0877qd97f78c70ccce28d@mail.gmail.com>
	<7F125A4D-591B-419B-B500-5B4E99EE97E8@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <8d9a42800705111356r65810cb1w4a6580217c50df9@mail.gmail.com>

Jon,

AFAIK CI does not have this ability, that's the issue with CI is that it is
maintained by 1 person and not a community project.

-- 
Joseph Crawford Jr.
Zend Certified Engineer
Codebowl Solutions, Inc.
http://www.codebowl.com/
Blog: http://www.josephcrawford.com/
1-802-671-2021
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From ken at secdat.com  Mon May 14 09:40:10 2007
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:40:10 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [ANNOUNCE] Andromeda Database Reference now online
Message-ID: <464866BA.5010004@secdat.com>

The Andromeda main site now includes a complete reference to our 
database description format, listing all of the options available to 
build a database. These include the obvious columns, table, and indexes, 
as well as Andromeda extensions like automations, and our cascading 
security assignments.

http://www.andromeda-project.org/pages/cms/Database+Reference.

This is equivalent to a function reference or API reference. It details 
all of the options available when writing out a database specification. 
The publishing of the reference, following up the Introductions and 
Tutorials, finishes up the first pass of documentation about the 
database abilities of Andromeda.

Focus will now shift to making equivalently simple data-driven zero code 
interfaces that are aware of the data dictionary and make use of it.

-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software, Inc.
www.secdat.com    www.andromeda-project.org
631-689-7200   Fax: 631-689-0527
cell: 631-379-0010



From jakob.buchgraber at googlemail.com  Mon May 14 13:24:34 2007
From: jakob.buchgraber at googlemail.com (Jakob Buchgraber)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:24:34 +0200
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Test HTTP Headers with PHPUnit
Message-ID: <46489B52.30709@gmail.com>

Hey!

I was wondering whether it is possible to test with PHPUnit if a HTTP 
header was sent.
It is definitely possible with PHP if run by a webserver.

e.g.
<?php
header ("Some-Header: Value");
var_dump (in_array ("Some-Header: Value", headers_list ()));
?>

However I am running my Unit Tests via PHP CLI, so HTTP Headers aren't 
sent and therefore headers_list () returns an empty array.

So is there anyway to test if the header function was called with a 
specific value from PHP CLI?

PS: I'm currently testing with Exceptions, so if 
HttpResponse::trigger404 () throws an Exception the header couldn't be 
sent otherwise it was sent, but I don't really like this solution.

Cheers,
Jay


From support at dailytechnology.net  Tue May 15 10:45:19 2007
From: support at dailytechnology.net (Brian Dailey)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:45:19 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
Message-ID: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>


I have several large forms that I am putting together. I'm aiming to 
keep them flexible and make it fit within the database object schema 
that I have used so far in this particular program.

In the past with a large form I've seen some developers resort to tables 
with a multitude of columns... I thought that this was a kludgy solution 
and I'd like to avoid it if possible. Another way I've seen it handled 
is to have a header table and a detail table that works something like this:

table: documents (id, date, etc)
table: documentdetails (documentid, fieldname, fieldvalue)

All of the form values were stored in a fieldname=fieldvalue format 
inside the table. This worked nicely until you attempted to run reports 
on it - you couldn't easily combine data since it all existed in 
different table rows.

So, I humbly come before thee, o PHP gurus, and ask you, how would you 
advise approaching this? Are there other ways to handle huge forms? I 
have seen people serialize arrays and store them in a column, but I 
can't see that working well when creating reports.

I've googled and read around as much as I can on this one, but what I 
need is some advice from some more experienced developers. Opinions?

-- 

Thanks!
- Brian Dailey
Software Developer
New York, NY
www.dailytechnology.net
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Tue May 15 11:38:18 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:38:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>
Message-ID: <6CDB87B1-0D3D-4DC4-9AFB-C7B7EF1E9F34@jonbaer.com>

So here has been my latest approach (or idea) ...

Since *normally* your main objective is to reach a result page (view)  
of data, (either from a report or just a general link compiled from  
criteria), I normally include @ least one column of YAML-based data  
(a misc field of sorts).  Obviously this is based on what your doing  
but its a general idea.

Then from that data and any other indexed columns on your schema  
build an index using Zend Framework / Ferret / Lucene and interface  
the YAML w/ that data.

I normally take this approach when Ive labelled a situation "client  
can't figure out what data he really wants yet".

I think you have to think outside the box and have knowledge or  
querying the index ...
http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.search.query-api.html

But once you apply behaviors to objects (and ultimately forms) like  
"this object is searchable via x, y, and z" it makes managing it easier.

My opinion on the idea of microsearching your data and being flexible.

- Jon

On May 15, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Brian Dailey wrote:

>
> I have several large forms that I am putting together. I'm aiming  
> to keep them flexible and make it fit within the database object  
> schema that I have used so far in this particular program.
>
> In the past with a large form I've seen some developers resort to  
> tables with a multitude of columns... I thought that this was a  
> kludgy solution and I'd like to avoid it if possible. Another way  
> I've seen it handled is to have a header table and a detail table  
> that works something like this:
>
> table: documents (id, date, etc)
> table: documentdetails (documentid, fieldname, fieldvalue)
>
> All of the form values were stored in a fieldname=fieldvalue format  
> inside the table. This worked nicely until you attempted to run  
> reports on it - you couldn't easily combine data since it all  
> existed in different table rows.
>
> So, I humbly come before thee, o PHP gurus, and ask you, how would  
> you advise approaching this? Are there other ways to handle huge  
> forms? I have seen people serialize arrays and store them in a  
> column, but I can't see that working well when creating reports.
>
> I've googled and read around as much as I can on this one, but what  
> I need is some advice from some more experienced developers. Opinions?
>
> -- 
>
> Thanks!
> - Brian Dailey
> Software Developer
> New York, NY
> www.dailytechnology.net
> <support.vcf>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
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From support at dailytechnology.net  Tue May 15 12:12:03 2007
From: support at dailytechnology.net (Brian Dailey)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:12:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <6CDB87B1-0D3D-4DC4-9AFB-C7B7EF1E9F34@jonbaer.com>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>
	<6CDB87B1-0D3D-4DC4-9AFB-C7B7EF1E9F34@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <4649DBD3.90801@dailytechnology.net>

I wonder what kind of a speed hit you would take in using this
technique. I've always thought that indexing a huge column would be a
bad idea. Still, I supposed you could store the "reportable"
information in a seperate column and filter out the extra stuff that,
while appearing in the report, isn't necessarily needed for searches.

I'm not using any PHP framework for this particular application (woe
is me), so I can't use Zends tools necessarily, but I will look more
into their approach and see if I can garner any useful techniques from
it.

Thanks for your input!

- Brian

Jon Baer wrote:
> So here has been my latest approach (or idea) ...
> 
> Since *normally* your main objective is to reach a result page (view) of 
> data, (either from a report or just a general link compiled from 
> criteria), I normally include @ least one column of YAML-based data (a 
> misc field of sorts).  Obviously this is based on what your doing but 
> its a general idea.
> 
> Then from that data and any other indexed columns on your schema build 
> an index using Zend Framework / Ferret / Lucene and interface the YAML 
> w/ that data.
> 
> I normally take this approach when Ive labelled a situation "client 
> can't figure out what data he really wants yet".
> 
> I think you have to think outside the box and have knowledge or querying 
> the index ...
> http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.search.query-api.html
> 
> But once you apply behaviors to objects (and ultimately forms) like 
> "this object is searchable via x, y, and z" it makes managing it easier.
> 
> My opinion on the idea of microsearching your data and being flexible.
> 
> - Jon
> 
> On May 15, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Brian Dailey wrote:
> 
>>
>> I have several large forms that I am putting together. I'm aiming to 
>> keep them flexible and make it fit within the database object schema 
>> that I have used so far in this particular program.
>>
>> In the past with a large form I've seen some developers resort to 
>> tables with a multitude of columns... I thought that this was a kludgy 
>> solution and I'd like to avoid it if possible. Another way I've seen 
>> it handled is to have a header table and a detail table that works 
>> something like this:
>>
>> table: documents (id, date, etc)
>> table: documentdetails (documentid, fieldname, fieldvalue)
>>
>> All of the form values were stored in a fieldname=fieldvalue format 
>> inside the table. This worked nicely until you attempted to run 
>> reports on it - you couldn't easily combine data since it all existed 
>> in different table rows.
>>
>> So, I humbly come before thee, o PHP gurus, and ask you, how would you 
>> advise approaching this? Are there other ways to handle huge forms? I 
>> have seen people serialize arrays and store them in a column, but I 
>> can't see that working well when creating reports.
>>
>> I've googled and read around as much as I can on this one, but what I 
>> need is some advice from some more experienced developers. Opinions?
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Thanks!
>> - Brian Dailey
>> Software Developer
>> New York, NY
>> www.dailytechnology.net
>> <support.vcf>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
>> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>>
>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> 
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
> 
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> 
> 

-- 

Thanks!
- Brian Dailey
Software Developer
New York, NY
www.dailytechnology.net
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From lists at enobrev.com  Tue May 15 13:31:13 2007
From: lists at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:31:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>
Message-ID: <001401c79716$d6d868d0$6400a8c0@enobrev>

 > -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Brian Dailey
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:45 AM
> Another way I've seen it handled is to have a 
> header table and a detail table that works something like this:
> 
> table: documents (id, date, etc)
> table: documentdetails (documentid, fieldname, fieldvalue)
> 
> All of the form values were stored in a fieldname=fieldvalue 
> format inside the table. This worked nicely until you 
> attempted to run reports on it - you couldn't easily combine 
> data since it all existed in different table rows.

Reports aren't too difficult.  It depends on how in-depth your reports get.
Essentially you end up joining the data table for every field.  I haven't
done this in quite some time, but here's the idea of how you run reports
when using field-value tables (tested in mysql 4.0.23)

CREATE TABLE data (
	data_id TINYINT(3) UNSIGNED NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY,
	data_user VARCHAR(100)
)

CREATE TABLE data_fields (
	field_id MEDIUMINT(6) UNSIGNED NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY,
	data_id TINYINT(3) UNSIGNED NOT NULL,
	field_name VARCHAR(20),
	field_data VARCHAR(100)
)


INSERT INTO data (data_user) VALUES ('mark at example.com');
INSERT INTO data (data_user) VALUES ('brian at example.com');
INSERT INTO data (data_user) VALUES ('steve at example.com');

INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (1, 'name',
'Mark');
INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (1, 'city',
'Brooklyn');
INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (1,
'state', 'NY');

INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (2, 'name',
'Brian');
INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (2, 'city',
'New York');
INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (2,
'state', 'NY');

INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (3, 'name',
'Steve');
INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (3, 'city',
'Jersey City');
INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (3,
'state', 'NJ');

// All data with Name, City and State
SELECT d.data_id,
       d.data_user,
       fName.field_data  AS Name,
       fCity.field_data  AS City,
       fState.field_data AS State 
FROM   data d LEFT JOIN data_fields fName  ON d.data_id = fName.data_id  AND
fName.field_name  = 'name'
              LEFT JOIN data_fields fCity  ON d.data_id = fCity.data_id  AND
fCity.field_name  = 'city'
              LEFT JOIN data_fields fState ON d.data_id = fState.data_id AND
fState.field_name = 'state';
		
// output		
+---------+-------------------+-------+-------------+-------+
| data_id | data_user         | Name  | City        | State |
+---------+-------------------+-------+-------------+-------+
|       1 | mark at example.com  | Mark  | Brooklyn    | NY    |
|       2 | brian at example.com | Brian | New York    | NY    |
|       3 | steve at example.com | Steve | Jersey City | NJ    |
+---------+-------------------+-------+-------------+-------+

// data with Name, City, State in NY
SELECT d.data_id,
       d.data_user,
       fName.field_data  AS Name,
       fCity.field_data  AS City,
       fState.field_data AS State 
FROM   data d LEFT JOIN data_fields fName  ON d.data_id = fName.data_id  AND
fName.field_name  = 'name'
              LEFT JOIN data_fields fCity  ON d.data_id = fCity.data_id  AND
fCity.field_name  = 'city'
              LEFT JOIN data_fields fState ON d.data_id = fState.data_id AND
fState.field_name = 'state';
HAVING(State = 'NY');

// output
+---------+-------------------+-------+----------+-------+
| data_id | data_user         | Name  | City     | State |
+---------+-------------------+-------+----------+-------+
|       1 | mark at example.com  | Mark  | Brooklyn | NY    |
|       2 | brian at example.com | Brian | New York | NY    |
+---------+-------------------+-------+----------+-------+

// data with Name, City, State in Brooklyn
SELECT d.data_id,
       d.data_user,
       fName.field_data  AS Name,
       fCity.field_data  AS City,
       fState.field_data AS State 
FROM   data d LEFT JOIN data_fields fName  ON d.data_id = fName.data_id  AND
fName.field_name  = 'name'
              LEFT JOIN data_fields fCity  ON d.data_id = fCity.data_id  AND
fCity.field_name  = 'city'
              LEFT JOIN data_fields fState ON d.data_id = fState.data_id AND
fState.field_name = 'state';
HAVING(City = 'Brooklyn');

// output
+---------+------------------+------+----------+-------+
| data_id | data_user        | Name | City     | State |
+---------+------------------+------+----------+-------+
|       1 | mark at example.com | Mark | Brooklyn | NY    |
+---------+------------------+------+----------+-------+

// using WHERE instead of HAVING
SELECT d.data_id,
       d.data_user,
       fName.field_data  AS Name,
       fCity.field_data  AS City,
       fState.field_data AS State 
FROM   data d LEFT JOIN data_fields fName  ON d.data_id = fName.data_id  AND
fName.field_name  = 'name'
              LEFT JOIN data_fields fCity  ON d.data_id = fCity.data_id  AND
fCity.field_name  = 'city'
              LEFT JOIN data_fields fState ON d.data_id = fState.data_id AND
fState.field_name = 'state';
WHERE fCity.field_data  = 'Brooklyn'
AND   fState.field_data = 'NY';

// output
+---------+------------------+------+----------+-------+
| data_id | data_user        | Name | City     | State |
+---------+------------------+------+----------+-------+
|       1 | mark at example.com | Mark | Brooklyn | NY    |
+---------+------------------+------+----------+-------+

// EXPLAIN output of the last statement ('having' is a bit less efficient)
+--------+--------+---------------+------------+---------+---------------+--
----+-------------+
| table  | type   | possible_keys | key        | key_len | ref           |
rows | Extra       |
+--------+--------+---------------+------------+---------+---------------+--
----+-------------+
| fCity  | ref    | field_name    | field_name |     120 | const,const   |
1 | Using where |
| d      | eq_ref | PRIMARY       | PRIMARY    |       1 | fCity.data_id |
1 |             |
| fName  | ref    | field_name    | field_name |      20 | const         |
2 | Using where |
| fState | ref    | field_name    | field_name |     120 | const,const   |
2 | Using where |
+--------+--------+---------------+------------+---------+---------------+--
----+-------------+



Hope that helps.

Good luck!!

Mark Armendariz



From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue May 15 14:01:07 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:01:07 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <6CDB87B1-0D3D-4DC4-9AFB-C7B7EF1E9F34@jonbaer.com>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>
	<6CDB87B1-0D3D-4DC4-9AFB-C7B7EF1E9F34@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690705151101v73f7c98dt1d80fd490b88b44c@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/15/07, Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:
>  I normally include @ least one column of YAML-based data
> (a misc field of sorts).

At first I thought this would work with a MySQL FULLTEXT index, but of
course it won't because the field names would be in more than 50% of
the records and would therefore be considered stopwords.

Nifty as this is, then, it only works if all querying is handled by
your application or an application using a platform that includes its
own sufficiently reliable search index. Clients who want/need to
create their own SQL queries are out of luck, or forced to use LIKE
expressions.

-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue May 15 14:06:13 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:06:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <001401c79716$d6d868d0$6400a8c0@enobrev>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>
	<001401c79716$d6d868d0$6400a8c0@enobrev>
Message-ID: <b76252690705151106m58f486bbrf7de61eceada5620@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/15/07, Mark Armendariz <lists at enobrev.com> wrote:

> CREATE TABLE data_fields (
>         field_id MEDIUMINT(6) UNSIGNED NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY,
>         data_id TINYINT(3) UNSIGNED NOT NULL,
>         field_name VARCHAR(20),
>         field_data VARCHAR(100)
> )

Did you ever worry about record integrity problems?

What if a data record is missing some field values? Or has more than
one value stored for some field name?

I was glad to see Brian asking about this topic, because it's been
sitting in the back of my head for a while now.

-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From support at dailytechnology.net  Tue May 15 14:10:27 2007
From: support at dailytechnology.net (Brian Dailey)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:10:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <001401c79716$d6d868d0$6400a8c0@enobrev>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>
	<001401c79716$d6d868d0$6400a8c0@enobrev>
Message-ID: <4649F793.2070200@dailytechnology.net>

This looks like what I'll ultimately be doing. I played around with some 
SQL queries and what I ended up with was similar to this - joining the 
table for each data value that I wanted to look up (and since I expect a 
matching data value, I don't even have to LEFT JOIN everything, which 
speeds it up significantly).

Thanks for all of your help and suggestions!

Mark Armendariz wrote:
>  > -----Original Message-----
>> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Brian Dailey
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:45 AM
>> Another way I've seen it handled is to have a 
>> header table and a detail table that works something like this:
>>
>> table: documents (id, date, etc)
>> table: documentdetails (documentid, fieldname, fieldvalue)
>>
>> All of the form values were stored in a fieldname=fieldvalue 
>> format inside the table. This worked nicely until you 
>> attempted to run reports on it - you couldn't easily combine 
>> data since it all existed in different table rows.
> 
> Reports aren't too difficult.  It depends on how in-depth your reports get.
> Essentially you end up joining the data table for every field.  I haven't
> done this in quite some time, but here's the idea of how you run reports
> when using field-value tables (tested in mysql 4.0.23)
> 
> CREATE TABLE data (
> 	data_id TINYINT(3) UNSIGNED NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY,
> 	data_user VARCHAR(100)
> )
> 
> CREATE TABLE data_fields (
> 	field_id MEDIUMINT(6) UNSIGNED NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT PRIMARY KEY,
> 	data_id TINYINT(3) UNSIGNED NOT NULL,
> 	field_name VARCHAR(20),
> 	field_data VARCHAR(100)
> )
> 
> 
> INSERT INTO data (data_user) VALUES ('mark at example.com');
> INSERT INTO data (data_user) VALUES ('brian at example.com');
> INSERT INTO data (data_user) VALUES ('steve at example.com');
> 
> INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (1, 'name',
> 'Mark');
> INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (1, 'city',
> 'Brooklyn');
> INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (1,
> 'state', 'NY');
> 
> INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (2, 'name',
> 'Brian');
> INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (2, 'city',
> 'New York');
> INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (2,
> 'state', 'NY');
> 
> INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (3, 'name',
> 'Steve');
> INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (3, 'city',
> 'Jersey City');
> INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (3,
> 'state', 'NJ');
> 
> // All data with Name, City and State
> SELECT d.data_id,
>        d.data_user,
>        fName.field_data  AS Name,
>        fCity.field_data  AS City,
>        fState.field_data AS State 
> FROM   data d LEFT JOIN data_fields fName  ON d.data_id = fName.data_id  AND
> fName.field_name  = 'name'
>               LEFT JOIN data_fields fCity  ON d.data_id = fCity.data_id  AND
> fCity.field_name  = 'city'
>               LEFT JOIN data_fields fState ON d.data_id = fState.data_id AND
> fState.field_name = 'state';
> 		
> // output		
> +---------+-------------------+-------+-------------+-------+
> | data_id | data_user         | Name  | City        | State |
> +---------+-------------------+-------+-------------+-------+
> |       1 | mark at example.com  | Mark  | Brooklyn    | NY    |
> |       2 | brian at example.com | Brian | New York    | NY    |
> |       3 | steve at example.com | Steve | Jersey City | NJ    |
> +---------+-------------------+-------+-------------+-------+
> 
> // data with Name, City, State in NY
> SELECT d.data_id,
>        d.data_user,
>        fName.field_data  AS Name,
>        fCity.field_data  AS City,
>        fState.field_data AS State 
> FROM   data d LEFT JOIN data_fields fName  ON d.data_id = fName.data_id  AND
> fName.field_name  = 'name'
>               LEFT JOIN data_fields fCity  ON d.data_id = fCity.data_id  AND
> fCity.field_name  = 'city'
>               LEFT JOIN data_fields fState ON d.data_id = fState.data_id AND
> fState.field_name = 'state';
> HAVING(State = 'NY');
> 
> // output
> +---------+-------------------+-------+----------+-------+
> | data_id | data_user         | Name  | City     | State |
> +---------+-------------------+-------+----------+-------+
> |       1 | mark at example.com  | Mark  | Brooklyn | NY    |
> |       2 | brian at example.com | Brian | New York | NY    |
> +---------+-------------------+-------+----------+-------+
> 
> // data with Name, City, State in Brooklyn
> SELECT d.data_id,
>        d.data_user,
>        fName.field_data  AS Name,
>        fCity.field_data  AS City,
>        fState.field_data AS State 
> FROM   data d LEFT JOIN data_fields fName  ON d.data_id = fName.data_id  AND
> fName.field_name  = 'name'
>               LEFT JOIN data_fields fCity  ON d.data_id = fCity.data_id  AND
> fCity.field_name  = 'city'
>               LEFT JOIN data_fields fState ON d.data_id = fState.data_id AND
> fState.field_name = 'state';
> HAVING(City = 'Brooklyn');
> 
> // output
> +---------+------------------+------+----------+-------+
> | data_id | data_user        | Name | City     | State |
> +---------+------------------+------+----------+-------+
> |       1 | mark at example.com | Mark | Brooklyn | NY    |
> +---------+------------------+------+----------+-------+
> 
> // using WHERE instead of HAVING
> SELECT d.data_id,
>        d.data_user,
>        fName.field_data  AS Name,
>        fCity.field_data  AS City,
>        fState.field_data AS State 
> FROM   data d LEFT JOIN data_fields fName  ON d.data_id = fName.data_id  AND
> fName.field_name  = 'name'
>               LEFT JOIN data_fields fCity  ON d.data_id = fCity.data_id  AND
> fCity.field_name  = 'city'
>               LEFT JOIN data_fields fState ON d.data_id = fState.data_id AND
> fState.field_name = 'state';
> WHERE fCity.field_data  = 'Brooklyn'
> AND   fState.field_data = 'NY';
> 
> // output
> +---------+------------------+------+----------+-------+
> | data_id | data_user        | Name | City     | State |
> +---------+------------------+------+----------+-------+
> |       1 | mark at example.com | Mark | Brooklyn | NY    |
> +---------+------------------+------+----------+-------+
> 
> // EXPLAIN output of the last statement ('having' is a bit less efficient)
> +--------+--------+---------------+------------+---------+---------------+--
> ----+-------------+
> | table  | type   | possible_keys | key        | key_len | ref           |
> rows | Extra       |
> +--------+--------+---------------+------------+---------+---------------+--
> ----+-------------+
> | fCity  | ref    | field_name    | field_name |     120 | const,const   |
> 1 | Using where |
> | d      | eq_ref | PRIMARY       | PRIMARY    |       1 | fCity.data_id |
> 1 |             |
> | fName  | ref    | field_name    | field_name |      20 | const         |
> 2 | Using where |
> | fState | ref    | field_name    | field_name |     120 | const,const   |
> 2 | Using where |
> +--------+--------+---------------+------------+---------+---------------+--
> ----+-------------+
> 
> 
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Good luck!!
> 
> Mark Armendariz
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 

-- 

Thanks!
- Brian Dailey
Software Developer
New York, NY
www.dailytechnology.net
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From lists at enobrev.com  Tue May 15 14:50:35 2007
From: lists at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:50:35 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <b76252690705151106m58f486bbrf7de61eceada5620@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net><001401c79716$d6d868d0$6400a8c0@enobrev>
	<b76252690705151106m58f486bbrf7de61eceada5620@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c79721$ec7d2d50$6400a8c0@enobrev>

 

> What if a data record is missing some field values? Or has 
> more than one value stored for some field name?

Interesting points... For missing data, you can make the field nullable...

// set field_data to NULLABLE
ALTER TABLE data_fields CHANGE field_data field_data VARCHAR( 100 ) NULL
DEFAULT NULL;

// remove Steve's state
DELETE FROM data_fields WHERE data_id = 3 AND field_data = 'NJ';

// using People without States
SELECT d.data_id,
       d.data_user,
       fName.field_data  AS Name,
       fCity.field_data  AS City,
       fState.field_data AS State 
FROM   data d LEFT JOIN data_fields fName  ON d.data_id = fName.data_id  AND
fName.field_name  = 'name'
              LEFT JOIN data_fields fCity  ON d.data_id = fCity.data_id  AND
fCity.field_name  = 'city'
              LEFT JOIN data_fields fState ON d.data_id = fState.data_id AND
fState.field_name = 'state'
WHERE ISNULL(fState.field_data) = 1;

// output
+---------+-------------------+-------+-------------+-------+
| data_id | data_user         | Name  | City        | State |
+---------+-------------------+-------+-------------+-------+
|       3 | steve at example.com | Steve | Jersey City | NULL  |
+---------+-------------------+-------+-------------+-------+

// as for people with multi data per field, you end up with something like
this:
SELECT d.data_id,
       d.data_user,
       fName.field_data  AS Name,
       fCity.field_data  AS City,
       fState.field_data AS State 
FROM   data d LEFT JOIN data_fields fName  ON d.data_id = fName.data_id  AND
fName.field_name  = 'name'
              LEFT JOIN data_fields fCity  ON d.data_id = fCity.data_id  AND
fCity.field_name  = 'city'
              LEFT JOIN data_fields fState ON d.data_id = fState.data_id AND
fState.field_name = 'state';
			  
+---------+-------------------+-------+-------------+-------+
| data_id | data_user         | Name  | City        | State |
+---------+-------------------+-------+-------------+-------+
|       1 | mark at example.com  | Mark  | Brooklyn    | NY    |
|       2 | brian at example.com | Brian | New York    | NY    |
|       3 | steve at example.com | Steve | Jersey City | NJ    |
|       3 | steve at example.com | Steve | Jersey City | NY    |
+---------+-------------------+-------+-------------+-------+

// Which might not be pretty, but could be ok, depending on your needs...
SELECT fState.field_data AS State 
FROM   data d LEFT JOIN data_fields fName  ON d.data_id = fName.data_id  AND
fName.field_name  = 'name'
              LEFT JOIN data_fields fState ON d.data_id = fState.data_id AND
fState.field_name = 'state'
WHERE fName.field_data = 'Steve';

// all of steve's states
+-------+
| State |
+-------+
| NJ    |
| NY    |
+-------+

// Or Set a Unique Index on the parent field and field_name for one record
per field per user
ALTER TABLE data_fields ADD UNIQUE data_field (data_id, field_name);

// now try inserting
INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (3,
'state', 'NJ'); // works once because we just removed it
INSERT INTO data_fields (data_id, field_name, field_data) VALUES (3,
'state', 'NJ');
ERROR 1062 (00000): Duplicate entry '3-state' for key 2


Mark



From ramons at gmx.net  Tue May 15 15:11:22 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:11:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <4649F793.2070200@dailytechnology.net>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>	<001401c79716$d6d868d0$6400a8c0@enobrev>
	<4649F793.2070200@dailytechnology.net>
Message-ID: <464A05DA.7030608@gmx.net>

Brian Dailey wrote:
> This looks like what I'll ultimately be doing. I played around with some 
> SQL queries and what I ended up with was similar to this - joining the 
> table for each data value that I wanted to look up (and since I expect a 
> matching data value, I don't even have to LEFT JOIN everything, which 
> speeds it up significantly).
> 
> Thanks for all of your help and suggestions!
> 
Here is another one...some time ago I had to run a report that crossed a 
few tables and should do sorting and all kinds of other neat stuff. 
Since my SQL knowledge is limited, I created a temporary table and 
worked off that. That ended up being fairly easy and I could run any 
other subsequent SQL against that table. I have no idea what the speed / 
performance impact is as the app was not used by that many clients at 
the same time as that this issue would have surfaced.

David



From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Tue May 15 16:01:44 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:01:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <b76252690705151101v73f7c98dt1d80fd490b88b44c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>
	<6CDB87B1-0D3D-4DC4-9AFB-C7B7EF1E9F34@jonbaer.com>
	<b76252690705151101v73f7c98dt1d80fd490b88b44c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <105A3BAD-C7E0-4F35-8785-8CFD622E1B76@jonbaer.com>

Im not sure this does justice w/o any demo but Id never plan on doing  
a search like that ... the idea was that one field w/ key:value pairs  
would be split and put into a searchable index via Zend_Search ...
http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.search.html

The query (or report) from the index search into the db is trivial  
since the pk keys are exchangeable.  This is really a 2 layer  
approach not using MySQL for FT indexing.  Any other option gives you  
way more IR functions than MySQL does.  Although it would be fair to  
point out that it is pluggable: ( <http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/ 
5.1/en/plugin-full-text-plugins.html> ) But still pretty new.

- Jon

On May 15, 2007, at 2:01 PM, csnyder wrote:

> On 5/15/07, Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:
>>  I normally include @ least one column of YAML-based data
>> (a misc field of sorts).
>
> At first I thought this would work with a MySQL FULLTEXT index, but of
> course it won't because the field names would be in more than 50% of
> the records and would therefore be considered stopwords.
>
> Nifty as this is, then, it only works if all querying is handled by
> your application or an application using a platform that includes its
> own sufficiently reliable search index. Clients who want/need to
> create their own SQL queries are out of luck, or forced to use LIKE
> expressions.
>
> -- 
> Chris Snyder
> http://chxo.com/
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue May 15 18:17:02 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:17:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <105A3BAD-C7E0-4F35-8785-8CFD622E1B76@jonbaer.com>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>
	<6CDB87B1-0D3D-4DC4-9AFB-C7B7EF1E9F34@jonbaer.com>
	<b76252690705151101v73f7c98dt1d80fd490b88b44c@mail.gmail.com>
	<105A3BAD-C7E0-4F35-8785-8CFD622E1B76@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690705151517m4fee2602jdea7f1e1a1dd6522@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/15/07, Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:
> This is really a 2 layer approach not using MySQL for FT indexing.
> Any other option gives you
> way more IR functions than MySQL does.  Although it would be fair to
> point out that it is pluggable: ( <http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/
> 5.1/en/plugin-full-text-plugins.html> ) But still pretty new.

I'm all for the 2 layer approach -- at that point it doesn't really
matter how you store the data in the db. YAML seems especially
friendly, but it could be RDF, some other flavor of XML, or even a
serialized PHP object. As a developer you get a tremendous amount of
flexibility at a negative cost, because you don't have to write any
complex SQL, ever, once you take care of CRUD.

It scares the beejeesus out of anyone with a background in databases,
though. The people I work with think I'm completely off my nut for
storing data this way. They're asking me to use custom tables for even
the simplest business objects, despite the fact that the model changes
constantly. I'd love to find a technique that we could all embrace.

If Ken Downs is reading this thread, I hope next Tuesday's talk will
touch on this topic...

-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From rolan at omnistep.com  Tue May 15 18:51:49 2007
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:51:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <4649F793.2070200@dailytechnology.net>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>	<001401c79716$d6d868d0$6400a8c0@enobrev>
	<4649F793.2070200@dailytechnology.net>
Message-ID: <464A3985.7050803@omnistep.com>

Brian Dailey wrote:
> This looks like what I'll ultimately be doing. I played around with 
> some SQL queries and what I ended up with was similar to this - 
> joining the table for each data value that I wanted to look up (and 
> since I expect a matching data value, I don't even have to LEFT JOIN 
> everything, which speeds it up significantly).
>
> Thanks for all of your help and suggestions!
>

You may eventually reach a point where your data volume becomes 
monstrous and the queries start to take an unacceptably long time to 
run, or consume too much CPU, or maybe even lock up the tables from 
being written to.  At that point (or before) you may want to consider 
setting up a second mysql machine as as replicated slave - dedicated for 
generating reports. Once you have that you can create triggers or run 
periodic batch processes to index your data in more optimized tables so 
the reports can be generated on the fly or at least more quickly.

~Rolan


From support at dailytechnology.net  Tue May 15 22:41:34 2007
From: support at dailytechnology.net (Brian Dailey)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 22:41:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <464A3985.7050803@omnistep.com>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>	<001401c79716$d6d868d0$6400a8c0@enobrev>	<4649F793.2070200@dailytechnology.net>
	<464A3985.7050803@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <464A6F5E.9070108@dailytechnology.net>

I'm already looking at 100,000+ records, and I am somewhat nervous as to 
how it will perform as the load begins to get a little bit higher. I 
suppose I will have to do a little tweaking to make it work properly, 
but it seems like this approach would lend itself a little more to 
indexing rather than using the 2 layer approach.

Which leads me to my next question - Chris, in your 2 layer approach how 
do you handle indexing? If you have a fairly sizable chunk of 
YAML/XML/etc data, how do you handle searching it?

Rolan Yang wrote:
> Brian Dailey wrote:
>> This looks like what I'll ultimately be doing. I played around with 
>> some SQL queries and what I ended up with was similar to this - 
>> joining the table for each data value that I wanted to look up (and 
>> since I expect a matching data value, I don't even have to LEFT JOIN 
>> everything, which speeds it up significantly).
>>
>> Thanks for all of your help and suggestions!
>>
> 
> You may eventually reach a point where your data volume becomes 
> monstrous and the queries start to take an unacceptably long time to 
> run, or consume too much CPU, or maybe even lock up the tables from 
> being written to.  At that point (or before) you may want to consider 
> setting up a second mysql machine as as replicated slave - dedicated for 
> generating reports. Once you have that you can create triggers or run 
> periodic batch processes to index your data in more optimized tables so 
> the reports can be generated on the fly or at least more quickly.
> 
> ~Rolan
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> 
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> 
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> 

-- 

Thanks!
- Brian Dailey
Software Developer
New York, NY
www.dailytechnology.net
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From sukritd at sevenacross.com  Tue May 15 23:33:10 2007
From: sukritd at sevenacross.com (Sukrit D)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 09:03:10 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] [OT] unsuscribing
Message-ID: <443AE01A-0726-47BF-A6D8-852118690224@sevenacross.com>

Can someone please help me unsubscribe from this mailing list. I went  
to http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk and tried  
unsubscribing. but that didn't work.

SD.


From ken at secdat.com  Wed May 16 07:35:49 2007
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:35:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <b76252690705151517m4fee2602jdea7f1e1a1dd6522@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>	<6CDB87B1-0D3D-4DC4-9AFB-C7B7EF1E9F34@jonbaer.com>	<b76252690705151101v73f7c98dt1d80fd490b88b44c@mail.gmail.com>	<105A3BAD-C7E0-4F35-8785-8CFD622E1B76@jonbaer.com>
	<b76252690705151517m4fee2602jdea7f1e1a1dd6522@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <464AEC95.6070401@secdat.com>

csnyder wrote:
> On 5/15/07, Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:
>> This is really a 2 layer approach not using MySQL for FT indexing.
>> Any other option gives you
>> way more IR functions than MySQL does.  Although it would be fair to
>> point out that it is pluggable: ( <http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/
>> 5.1/en/plugin-full-text-plugins.html> ) But still pretty new.
>
> I'm all for the 2 layer approach -- at that point it doesn't really
> matter how you store the data in the db. YAML seems especially
> friendly, but it could be RDF, some other flavor of XML, or even a
> serialized PHP object. As a developer you get a tremendous amount of
> flexibility at a negative cost, because you don't have to write any
> complex SQL, ever, once you take care of CRUD.
>
> It scares the beejeesus out of anyone with a background in databases,
> though. The people I work with think I'm completely off my nut for
> storing data this way. They're asking me to use custom tables for even
> the simplest business objects, despite the fact that the model changes
> constantly. I'd love to find a technique that we could all embrace.
>
> If Ken Downs is reading this thread, I hope next Tuesday's talk will
> touch on this topic...

I've been following but I don't know enough about the underlying problem 
to comment beyond general rules.

The approach under discussion is known as Entity-Attribute-Value and, 
yes, it is considered a major mistake when used in a SQL database 
because SQL is all about using rows and tables, and you can't do any of 
that anymore.  You've left yourself with no reasonable query language.  
What used to be "select name,city from mytable" now requires a join (or 
left join) at very least.  The trouble only gets worse.  Since 
everything you are doing with a relational database requires SQL, and 
since SQL has no tables to query, simple concepts like JOINS become 
insane, performance drops, and as you said the database people start 
calling you names and will refuse to help.  Expect a sort of "it's your 
funeral" attitude.

Here is an unusually non-bitter presentation on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entity-Attribute-Value_model

The real underlying problems usually come down one or more of:

1) Unknown structure
2) Known structure, but seen as "too complex"
3) Structure *appears* to change often
4) Confusion between structured data and text data
5) Desire for "flexibility" in structure
6) Weak tools for creating/updating structures

For #1, we can probably agree if that if the structure is not yet known, 
nobody should be coding.  Go back to the users for more interviews.

For #2, the standard reply is that EAV is not going to solve the 
underlying problem, its going to make it worse.  Complex structures will 
require complex queries, which are impossible using EAV in a SQL 
database.  This is probably a sticky situation where somebody needs to 
go ask the paymaster for more money and time.

For #3, I underscore "appears" to change.  While structures do change, 
the appearance of rapid change can often be traced to other factors.  A 
skilled table designer can listen to the apparently random noise 
generated by the users and discern patterns that the users are unaware 
of.  They will often think in details, we are supposed to be thinking 
systematically.

For #4, what I mean is that you may have things like product 
descriptions for an electronic catalog, where many different product 
categories contain zillions of little details.  A great example of this 
is mwave.  EAV looks good when confronting the bewildering prospect of 
making a table for this stuff.  But it often turns out that all items 
have real attributes that must be in the database, not the least of 
which are price and weight, but a lot of the rest of it is descriptive, 
and can go into a text field (it can be html, or wiki text as well).

For #5, This is usually a symptom that the programmer does not yet know 
if his problem is 1,2,3,4 or 6.  He is having problems matching code to 
table structure, and wants to solve that problem with "flexibility", 
some way of lessening the pain of trying to keep these two coordinated.  
It may be that he needs a better tool to do so (see #6), or he may be 
confronting #3 and #4 and not realizing that he needs to nail down the 
structure more.

For #6, in Ken's humble opinion the absence of strong tools is the 
number one problem for those who handle tables every day.  It is quite 
simply a royal PITA to build tables, modify them, and then track changes 
and get them into production.  If you get into stored procedures and 
triggers the problems with basic chores of version control, debugging 
and so forth only get worse.  This basic chore was the first thing I 
coded in Andromeda, it's something that's crying out to be done.  The 
absence of these tools drives people to avoid structure changes and is 
the number one reason people find themselves trying to write code that 
will somehow not depend on the table structure.  My own answer was to 
write Andromeda so that it would be easy to match my code to the tables.

-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software, Inc.
www.secdat.com    www.andromeda-project.org
631-689-7200   Fax: 631-689-0527
cell: 631-379-0010



From support at dailytechnology.net  Wed May 16 07:41:11 2007
From: support at dailytechnology.net (Brian Dailey)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:41:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] May NYPHP - Anyone available to record?
Message-ID: <464AEDD7.5090109@dailytechnology.net>

All - I'm not going to make it to this month's presentation, but I'd 
very much like to hear what Kenneth Down has to say. Does anyone have 
the ability to record it using an mp3 player so we can get a copy of the 
presentation on the web?


-- 

Thanks!
- Brian Dailey
Software Developer
New York, NY
www.dailytechnology.net
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From patrick at hexane.org  Wed May 16 08:22:43 2007
From: patrick at hexane.org (Patrick May)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:22:43 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>
Message-ID: <2C61D3B8-A750-44A8-8C96-0B538497BFED@hexane.org>

Hello,

On May 15, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Brian Dailey wrote:

> I have several large forms that I am putting together. I'm aiming  
> to keep them flexible and make it fit within the database object  
> schema that I have used so far in this particular program.
>
> In the past with a large form I've seen some developers resort to  
> tables with a multitude of columns... I thought that this was a  
> kludgy solution and I'd like to avoid it if possible. Another way  
> I've seen it handled is to have a header table and a detail table  
> that works something like this:
>
> table: documents (id, date, etc)
> table: documentdetails (documentid, fieldname, fieldvalue)
>
> All of the form values were stored in a fieldname=fieldvalue format  
> inside the table. This worked nicely until you attempted to run  
> reports on it - you couldn't easily combine data since it all  
> existed in different table rows.
>
> So, I humbly come before thee, o PHP gurus, and ask you, how would  
> you advise approaching this? Are there other ways to handle huge  
> forms? I have seen people serialize arrays and store them in a  
> column, but I can't see that working well when creating reports.
>
> I've googled and read around as much as I can on this one, but what  
> I need is some advice from some more experienced developers. Opinions?

My question is -- when the forms change, who makes the change?  You,  
or a user via a tool?

If you are making the change, then I would go with the flat table and  
make your code flexible.  It's nice to have a straightforward and  
flat table.  You can get your code pretty tight.  This is can be most  
problem anyways -- If you have a giant form, you can spend forever  
fiddling with the html.

But if a user is the one making the change, then I would go with one  
of the aforementioned solutions -- store everything in yaml, or  
entity attribute value.  I prefer EAV.

Cheers,

Patrick


From lists at enobrev.com  Wed May 16 08:32:09 2007
From: lists at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:32:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <2C61D3B8-A750-44A8-8C96-0B538497BFED@hexane.org>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>
	<2C61D3B8-A750-44A8-8C96-0B538497BFED@hexane.org>
Message-ID: <000601c797b6$397d6630$0202fea9@enobrev>

 > [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Patrick May
> My question is -- when the forms change, who makes the 
> change?  You, or a user via a tool?

Though I'd offered a solution for EAV, I haven't gone that route in quite
some time (usually only for dynamic surveying tools where the forms / fields
are updated by the client daily or weekly).  Otherwise I generally agree
with Ken.  Unless absolutely necessary, EAV is quite messy and can get
painfully inefficient (in coding and query times) if not watched closely.

I've been offering clients a tool up to update the CRUD tables / fields.  It
helps that the queries throughout my framework  are dynamic and
automatically include any new / updated fields in all cached and live
queries.

Mark



From chsnyder at gmail.com  Wed May 16 10:34:44 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:34:44 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Flexible Forms & How to store them...
In-Reply-To: <464A6F5E.9070108@dailytechnology.net>
References: <4649C77F.4050009@dailytechnology.net>
	<001401c79716$d6d868d0$6400a8c0@enobrev>
	<4649F793.2070200@dailytechnology.net> <464A3985.7050803@omnistep.com>
	<464A6F5E.9070108@dailytechnology.net>
Message-ID: <b76252690705160734o4b15be42t8610611b12e8e3ef@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/15/07, Brian Dailey <support at dailytechnology.net> wrote:

> Which leads me to my next question - Chris, in your 2 layer approach how
> do you handle indexing? If you have a fairly sizable chunk of
> YAML/XML/etc data, how do you handle searching it?

Well, I haven't had to. I've been working in content and event
management, and using tags to give objects searchable properties when
they fall outside of indexed fields. It's amazing what you can fudge
with semantic categorization, but it's definitely a fudge. You can't
SUM() tags.

In fact, SUM() might be a great example of the problem here. I can see
how Lucene would quickly return all the orders with quantity:2, but
what kind of crunching is involved in finding the total quantity
across all orders?

-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Thu May 17 13:05:34 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 13:05:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Marketing
Message-ID: <A02B023B-CD23-4027-9173-21E7E3046167@jonbaer.com>

Looks like it needs to kick into overdrive ...

http://aatw.tumblr.com/post/2036104
http://aatw.tumblr.com/post/2036194

I even saw a "$this->sucks" t-shirt the other day.  What is up with  
that?

;-)


From anieshjoseph at gmail.com  Thu May 17 16:16:22 2007
From: anieshjoseph at gmail.com (Aniesh joseph)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 01:46:22 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
Message-ID: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,


I want to build a Support Ticket Sytem. I need to register for tickets
through mail.Two task is :

1. Whenever I recieved a mail from the clients, I have to register for a
ticket.

2. Read the contents of the mail.

I am working on LAMP. How can accomplish the two tasks in a PHP-MYSQL? Can
someone help me ?



Regards
Aniesh Joseph
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From mba2000 at ioplex.com  Thu May 17 16:35:53 2007
From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:35:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>

There are a LOT of support ticket systems around. You might want to
checkout freshmeat.net. Unfortunately it seems like no particular one
ever never suits your needs (which explains why there are so many).

The support ticket system I always wanted was one that just used IMAP
for everything where the "tickets" where really just emails. So when
someone searched tickets it really just used IMAP to talk to the local
IMAP server. Also there would be a mail processing script to identify
or insert a ticket number in the subject line. Etc. Never found such
a thing.

Mike

On Fri, 18 May 2007 01:46:22 +0530
"Aniesh joseph" <anieshjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> 
> I want to build a Support Ticket Sytem. I need to register for tickets
> through mail.Two task is :
> 
> 1. Whenever I recieved a mail from the clients, I have to register for a
> ticket.
> 
> 2. Read the contents of the mail.
> 
> I am working on LAMP. How can accomplish the two tasks in a PHP-MYSQL? Can
> someone help me ?
> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> Aniesh Joseph
> 


-- 
Michael B Allen
PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO
http://www.ioplex.com/


From lists at enobrev.com  Thu May 17 16:51:33 2007
From: lists at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:51:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003401c798c5$27644350$6600a8c0@enobrev>

 
	From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org
[mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Aniesh joseph

	1. Whenever I recieved a mail from the clients, I have to register
for a ticket. 
	
	2. Read the contents of the mail. 
	
	I am working on LAMP. How can accomplish the two tasks in a
PHP-MYSQL? Can someone help me ?

Look around for a pop3 php library.  Write a CLI script that uses the pop3
lib to log into your ticket email account.  Use cron to run the script every
few minutes and download the messages.  Compare the messages with your
ticket database and add it to a previous ticket or add the new ticket #.

I'd written a fairly robust one years ago for a client, but it's hard to
answer such a general question with much detail.

Mark



From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Thu May 17 18:10:46 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:10:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
Message-ID: <B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>

Im sure either TRAC http://trac.edgewall.org/ or TRAC-HACKS www.trac- 
hacks.org has it.

This is a great (and what seems like) defacto ticketing system, I use  
it all the time and rarely ever work w/o it.  I install it for free @  
client sites just so I can stay sane on a project.  But I can see it  
being used as a general ticket system w/ ease (however Python skills  
required).  A PHP version anywhere?

- Jon

On May 17, 2007, at 4:35 PM, Michael B Allen wrote:

> There are a LOT of support ticket systems around. You might want to
> checkout freshmeat.net. Unfortunately it seems like no particular one
> ever never suits your needs (which explains why there are so many).
>
> The support ticket system I always wanted was one that just used IMAP
> for everything where the "tickets" where really just emails. So when
> someone searched tickets it really just used IMAP to talk to the local
> IMAP server. Also there would be a mail processing script to identify
> or insert a ticket number in the subject line. Etc. Never found such
> a thing.
>
> Mike
>
> On Fri, 18 May 2007 01:46:22 +0530
> "Aniesh joseph" <anieshjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> I want to build a Support Ticket Sytem. I need to register for  
>> tickets
>> through mail.Two task is :
>>
>> 1. Whenever I recieved a mail from the clients, I have to register  
>> for a
>> ticket.
>>
>> 2. Read the contents of the mail.
>>
>> I am working on LAMP. How can accomplish the two tasks in a PHP- 
>> MYSQL? Can
>> someone help me ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> Aniesh Joseph
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Michael B Allen
> PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO
> http://www.ioplex.com/
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Thu May 17 18:15:20 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:15:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] jQPie - jQuery <-> PHP
Message-ID: <FF52FD5A-4D8A-4E9F-85ED-710B09452347@jonbaer.com>

Came across this today, interesting lightweight lib ...

http://projects.cyberlot.net/trac/jqpie/

-snip-
The idea of jQPie is to provide a lightweight PHP interface to  
jQuery. The lightweight interface allows multiple ways to interact.
What makes jQPie unique?
     * Lightweight
     * Supports XML, HTML and JSON Handlers
     * API is simple, while the handlers engine is PHP based the  
javascript library is usable by any language
     * Includes a powerful autocomplete plugin, plans to provide  
other plugins for use and as examples
-snip-


From joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com  Thu May 17 18:19:57 2007
From: joshmccormack at travelersdiary.com (Josh McCormack)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:19:57 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <e22ad7830705171519n6d9c027cl9ff6c8b50b374ffe@mail.gmail.com>

Mantis is a PHP issue tracker that's pretty good.

Josh


On 5/17/07, Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:
>
> Im sure either TRAC http://trac.edgewall.org/ or TRAC-HACKS www.trac-
> hacks.org has it.
>
> This is a great (and what seems like) defacto ticketing system, I use
> it all the time and rarely ever work w/o it.  I install it for free @
> client sites just so I can stay sane on a project.  But I can see it
> being used as a general ticket system w/ ease (however Python skills
> required).  A PHP version anywhere?
>
> - Jon
>
> On May 17, 2007, at 4:35 PM, Michael B Allen wrote:
>
> > There are a LOT of support ticket systems around. You might want to
> > checkout freshmeat.net. Unfortunately it seems like no particular one
> > ever never suits your needs (which explains why there are so many).
> >
> > The support ticket system I always wanted was one that just used IMAP
> > for everything where the "tickets" where really just emails. So when
> > someone searched tickets it really just used IMAP to talk to the local
> > IMAP server. Also there would be a mail processing script to identify
> > or insert a ticket number in the subject line. Etc. Never found such
> > a thing.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > On Fri, 18 May 2007 01:46:22 +0530
> > "Aniesh joseph" <anieshjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >>
> >> I want to build a Support Ticket Sytem. I need to register for
> >> tickets
> >> through mail.Two task is :
> >>
> >> 1. Whenever I recieved a mail from the clients, I have to register
> >> for a
> >> ticket.
> >>
> >> 2. Read the contents of the mail.
> >>
> >> I am working on LAMP. How can accomplish the two tasks in a PHP-
> >> MYSQL? Can
> >> someone help me ?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Aniesh Joseph
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Michael B Allen
> > PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO
> > http://www.ioplex.com/
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> > http://www.nyphpcon.com
> >
> > Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>



-- 
Josh McCormack
Owner, InteractiveQA
Web testing & development
http://www.interactiveqa.com
917.620.4902
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From mba2000 at ioplex.com  Thu May 17 18:26:18 2007
From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:26:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <20070517182618.a1947144.mba2000@ioplex.com>

On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:10:46 -0400
Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:

> http://trac.edgewall.org/

Just looked at it and clearly it's nothing like I described.

Mike


From Consult at CovenantEDesign.com  Thu May 17 18:28:52 2007
From: Consult at CovenantEDesign.com (CED)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:28:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com><20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com><B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>
	<e22ad7830705171519n6d9c027cl9ff6c8b50b374ffe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006801c798d2$bfe15c00$07d6f4a7@ced>

Eventum. Period. =D

Edward JS Prevost II
Me at EdwardPrevost.info
www.EdwardPrevost.info
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Josh McCormack 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem


  Mantis is a PHP issue tracker that's pretty good.  

  Josh

   
  On 5/17/07, Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote: 
    Im sure either TRAC http://trac.edgewall.org/ or TRAC-HACKS www.trac -
    hacks.org has it.

    This is a great (and what seems like) defacto ticketing system, I use
    it all the time and rarely ever work w/o it.  I install it for free @
    client sites just so I can stay sane on a project.  But I can see it 
    being used as a general ticket system w/ ease (however Python skills
    required).  A PHP version anywhere?

    - Jon

    On May 17, 2007, at 4:35 PM, Michael B Allen wrote:

    > There are a LOT of support ticket systems around. You might want to 
    > checkout freshmeat.net. Unfortunately it seems like no particular one
    > ever never suits your needs (which explains why there are so many).
    >
    > The support ticket system I always wanted was one that just used IMAP 
    > for everything where the "tickets" where really just emails. So when
    > someone searched tickets it really just used IMAP to talk to the local
    > IMAP server. Also there would be a mail processing script to identify 
    > or insert a ticket number in the subject line. Etc. Never found such
    > a thing.
    >
    > Mike
    >
    > On Fri, 18 May 2007 01:46:22 +0530
    > "Aniesh joseph" < anieshjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Hello,
    >>
    >>
    >> I want to build a Support Ticket Sytem. I need to register for
    >> tickets
    >> through mail.Two task is : 
    >>
    >> 1. Whenever I recieved a mail from the clients, I have to register
    >> for a
    >> ticket.
    >>
    >> 2. Read the contents of the mail.
    >>
    >> I am working on LAMP. How can accomplish the two tasks in a PHP- 
    >> MYSQL? Can
    >> someone help me ?
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Regards
    >> Aniesh Joseph
    >>
    >
    >
    > --
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    > PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO 
    > http://www.ioplex.com/
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From ben at projectskyline.com  Thu May 17 18:34:30 2007
From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyline))
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:34:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com><20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com><B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com><e22ad7830705171519n6d9c027cl9ff6c8b50b374ffe@mail.gmail.com>
	<006801c798d2$bfe15c00$07d6f4a7@ced>
Message-ID: <01ad01c798d3$89fc8e60$6b01a8c0@gamebox>

Hello, 

I've also been looking for something: Eventum looks really great at first glance.

- Ben
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: CED 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem


  Eventum. Period. =D

  Edward JS Prevost II
  Me at EdwardPrevost.info
  www.EdwardPrevost.info
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Josh McCormack 
    To: NYPHP Talk 
    Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:19 PM
    Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem


    Mantis is a PHP issue tracker that's pretty good.  

    Josh

     
    On 5/17/07, Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote: 
      Im sure either TRAC http://trac.edgewall.org/ or TRAC-HACKS www.trac -
      hacks.org has it.

      This is a great (and what seems like) defacto ticketing system, I use
      it all the time and rarely ever work w/o it.  I install it for free @
      client sites just so I can stay sane on a project.  But I can see it 
      being used as a general ticket system w/ ease (however Python skills
      required).  A PHP version anywhere?

      - Jon

      On May 17, 2007, at 4:35 PM, Michael B Allen wrote:

      > There are a LOT of support ticket systems around. You might want to 
      > checkout freshmeat.net. Unfortunately it seems like no particular one
      > ever never suits your needs (which explains why there are so many).
      >
      > The support ticket system I always wanted was one that just used IMAP 
      > for everything where the "tickets" where really just emails. So when
      > someone searched tickets it really just used IMAP to talk to the local
      > IMAP server. Also there would be a mail processing script to identify 
      > or insert a ticket number in the subject line. Etc. Never found such
      > a thing.
      >
      > Mike
      >
      > On Fri, 18 May 2007 01:46:22 +0530
      > "Aniesh joseph" < anieshjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
      >
      >> Hello,
      >>
      >>
      >> I want to build a Support Ticket Sytem. I need to register for
      >> tickets
      >> through mail.Two task is : 
      >>
      >> 1. Whenever I recieved a mail from the clients, I have to register
      >> for a
      >> ticket.
      >>
      >> 2. Read the contents of the mail.
      >>
      >> I am working on LAMP. How can accomplish the two tasks in a PHP- 
      >> MYSQL? Can
      >> someone help me ?
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Regards
      >> Aniesh Joseph
      >>
      >
      >
      > --
      > Michael B Allen
      > PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO 
      > http://www.ioplex.com/
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      > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
      >
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      >
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      > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php

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From anieshjoseph at gmail.com  Thu May 17 18:33:18 2007
From: anieshjoseph at gmail.com (Aniesh joseph)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 04:03:18 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re:Support Ticket Sytem
Message-ID: <1b3d2fde0705171533o59fb5f33x5be0fd42fc618847@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

I tried to forward mail to php script page by setting from cpanel. But
cpanel wonot allow to forward mail to script page.

Could someone suggest other method ?

Regards
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From cliff at pinestream.com  Thu May 17 18:35:20 2007
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:35:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Input whitelist validation warning
Message-ID: <C27250E8.459C%cliff@pinestream.com>

I just discovered a hole in a white list validation technique I bored from a
PHP security book ? no, not Chris? book.

Beware in_array($_POST/GET[?input?], $whitelist)

Type matters. All input is string type and PHP will try to force type
matching.

So the input string ?securityhole? will match the int number 0.

FYI,
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From chuck at horde.org  Thu May 17 18:37:32 2007
From: chuck at horde.org (Chuck Hagenbuch)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:37:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Input whitelist validation warning
In-Reply-To: <C27250E8.459C%cliff@pinestream.com>
References: <C27250E8.459C%cliff@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <20070517183732.3eyx0vk3esggcsos@technest.org>

Quoting Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com>:

> I just discovered a hole in a white list validation technique I bored from a
> PHP security book ? no, not Chris? book.
>
> Beware in_array($_POST/GET[?input?], $whitelist)
>
> Type matters. All input is string type and PHP will try to force type
> matching.
>
> So the input string ?securityhole? will match the int number 0.

This is the kind of thing that the third argument to in-array is for -  
forces strict type checking:

http://us2.php.net/in-array

-chuck


From Consult at CovenantEDesign.com  Thu May 17 18:38:05 2007
From: Consult at CovenantEDesign.com (CED)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:38:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com><20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com><B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com><e22ad7830705171519n6d9c027cl9ff6c8b50b374ffe@mail.gmail.com><006801c798d2$bfe15c00$07d6f4a7@ced>
	<01ad01c798d3$89fc8e60$6b01a8c0@gamebox>
Message-ID: <012801c798d4$0b5691e0$07d6f4a7@ced>

I've been using and customizing eventum for some time, I dinf it by far the easiest to use 'out of the box' and easiest to 'hack'.

Edward JS Prevost II
Me at EdwardPrevost.info
www.EdwardPrevost.info
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyline) 
  To: NYPHP Talk 
  Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem


  Hello, 

  I've also been looking for something: Eventum looks really great at first glance.

  - Ben
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: CED 
    To: NYPHP Talk 
    Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:28 PM
    Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem


    Eventum. Period. =D

    Edward JS Prevost II
    Me at EdwardPrevost.info
    www.EdwardPrevost.info
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Josh McCormack 
      To: NYPHP Talk 
      Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:19 PM
      Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem


      Mantis is a PHP issue tracker that's pretty good.  

      Josh

       
      On 5/17/07, Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote: 
        Im sure either TRAC http://trac.edgewall.org/ or TRAC-HACKS www.trac -
        hacks.org has it.

        This is a great (and what seems like) defacto ticketing system, I use
        it all the time and rarely ever work w/o it.  I install it for free @
        client sites just so I can stay sane on a project.  But I can see it 
        being used as a general ticket system w/ ease (however Python skills
        required).  A PHP version anywhere?

        - Jon

        On May 17, 2007, at 4:35 PM, Michael B Allen wrote:

        > There are a LOT of support ticket systems around. You might want to 
        > checkout freshmeat.net. Unfortunately it seems like no particular one
        > ever never suits your needs (which explains why there are so many).
        >
        > The support ticket system I always wanted was one that just used IMAP 
        > for everything where the "tickets" where really just emails. So when
        > someone searched tickets it really just used IMAP to talk to the local
        > IMAP server. Also there would be a mail processing script to identify 
        > or insert a ticket number in the subject line. Etc. Never found such
        > a thing.
        >
        > Mike
        >
        > On Fri, 18 May 2007 01:46:22 +0530
        > "Aniesh joseph" < anieshjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
        >
        >> Hello,
        >>
        >>
        >> I want to build a Support Ticket Sytem. I need to register for
        >> tickets
        >> through mail.Two task is : 
        >>
        >> 1. Whenever I recieved a mail from the clients, I have to register
        >> for a
        >> ticket.
        >>
        >> 2. Read the contents of the mail.
        >>
        >> I am working on LAMP. How can accomplish the two tasks in a PHP- 
        >> MYSQL? Can
        >> someone help me ?
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >> Regards
        >> Aniesh Joseph
        >>
        >
        >
        > --
        > Michael B Allen
        > PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO 
        > http://www.ioplex.com/
        > _______________________________________________
        > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
        > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
        >
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        >
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Thu May 17 18:38:02 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:38:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <20070517182618.a1947144.mba2000@ioplex.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>
	<20070517182618.a1947144.mba2000@ioplex.com>
Message-ID: <2B461CAA-FE73-46FC-9EF3-E56CA67B554F@jonbaer.com>

The system is called SARA, its a plugin for TRAC ...

https://subtrac.sara.nl/oss/email2trac

You were asking about email <-> email ticketing no?

- Jon

On May 17, 2007, at 6:26 PM, Michael B Allen wrote:

> On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:10:46 -0400
> Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:
>
>> http://trac.edgewall.org/
>
> Just looked at it and clearly it's nothing like I described.
>
> Mike



From ben at projectskyline.com  Thu May 17 18:42:16 2007
From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyline))
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:42:16 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re:Support Ticket Sytem
References: <1b3d2fde0705171533o59fb5f33x5be0fd42fc618847@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01c001c798d4$9fbc3970$6b01a8c0@gamebox>

Hello, 

You could have your script check the email account every X minutes.

You can do that by having it loop (while 1) { ... }
attempt to fetch the mail using the phpmailer class, then sleep(60 /* seconds);. Repeat.
http://phpmailer.sourceforge.net/

Else, you can have cron (*nix only) execute the file/script at specified intervals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crontab

- Ben
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Aniesh joseph 
  To: talk at lists.nyphp.org 
  Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 6:33 PM
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] Re:Support Ticket Sytem


  Hello

  I tried to forward mail to php script page by setting from cpanel. But cpanel wonot allow to forward mail to script page. 

  Could someone suggest other method ?

  Regards
  Aniesh




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From mba2000 at ioplex.com  Thu May 17 18:56:50 2007
From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:56:50 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <2B461CAA-FE73-46FC-9EF3-E56CA67B554F@jonbaer.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>
	<20070517182618.a1947144.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<2B461CAA-FE73-46FC-9EF3-E56CA67B554F@jonbaer.com>
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:38:02 -0400
Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:

> The system is called SARA, its a plugin for TRAC ...
> 
> https://subtrac.sara.nl/oss/email2trac
> 
> You were asking about email <-> email ticketing no?

Hi Jon,

Nope. That just converts between emails and trac tickets.

Let me explain further what I'm interested in. What I want is very
simple actually. I will no doubt write it myself eventually but I would
be delighted if someone "stole" my idea (provided I could use it too).

There would be two ways to submit a ticket. The first method is to simply
send an email to the support mailbox. The incoming mail component of
this thing would look at the subject of the message and determine if it
has a ticket number already. If not, it generates and insert a ticket
number. For example, if the subject of a message was 'big-time error',
the incoming mail component would transform this to '[TPF0844812]
big-time error'. It might also send an automated reply to the sender
with the ticket number in the subject with instructions that they should
include that number in any subsequent dialog about the problem.

There would also be a web interface that used PHP's IMAP interface to
allow support personnel to search on a ticket number. User's who were
logged in could also search tickets that contained the user's email
address.

Finally, the other way to submit a ticket would be through a simple web
screen that any visitor could use (of course they could not specify the
recipient - it would be hard coded to the support mailbox).

The nice thing about this system is that it can be managed entirely via
SquirrelMail. Using SquirrelMail you can search the subject line. You
can change ticket numbers if someone submits additional messages with
a new ticket number.

Depending on how you generate the ticket numbers you wouldn't even need
a database. It's just two php scripts - one for processsing incoming
mail and another for searching / submitting tickets.

Mike

> On May 17, 2007, at 6:26 PM, Michael B Allen wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:10:46 -0400
> > Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://trac.edgewall.org/
> >
> > Just looked at it and clearly it's nothing like I described.


From mba2000 at ioplex.com  Thu May 17 19:02:33 2007
From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:02:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <20070517185650.0f56fa74.mba2000@ioplex.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>
	<20070517182618.a1947144.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<2B461CAA-FE73-46FC-9EF3-E56CA67B554F@jonbaer.com>
	<20070517185650.0f56fa74.mba2000@ioplex.com>
Message-ID: <20070517190233.df64f56c.mba2000@ioplex.com>

Oh, and it can't have any XML, AJAX, Web 2.0 or fuzz like that. I
don't want to win awards, I just want to get s**t done.

Mike

On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:56:50 -0400
Michael B Allen <mba2000 at ioplex.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:38:02 -0400
> Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:
> 
> > The system is called SARA, its a plugin for TRAC ...
> > 
> > https://subtrac.sara.nl/oss/email2trac
> > 
> > You were asking about email <-> email ticketing no?
> 
> Hi Jon,
> 
> Nope. That just converts between emails and trac tickets.
> 
> Let me explain further what I'm interested in. What I want is very
> simple actually. I will no doubt write it myself eventually but I would
> be delighted if someone "stole" my idea (provided I could use it too).
> 
> There would be two ways to submit a ticket. The first method is to simply
> send an email to the support mailbox. The incoming mail component of
> this thing would look at the subject of the message and determine if it
> has a ticket number already. If not, it generates and insert a ticket
> number. For example, if the subject of a message was 'big-time error',
> the incoming mail component would transform this to '[TPF0844812]
> big-time error'. It might also send an automated reply to the sender
> with the ticket number in the subject with instructions that they should
> include that number in any subsequent dialog about the problem.
> 
> There would also be a web interface that used PHP's IMAP interface to
> allow support personnel to search on a ticket number. User's who were
> logged in could also search tickets that contained the user's email
> address.
> 
> Finally, the other way to submit a ticket would be through a simple web
> screen that any visitor could use (of course they could not specify the
> recipient - it would be hard coded to the support mailbox).
> 
> The nice thing about this system is that it can be managed entirely via
> SquirrelMail. Using SquirrelMail you can search the subject line. You
> can change ticket numbers if someone submits additional messages with
> a new ticket number.
> 
> Depending on how you generate the ticket numbers you wouldn't even need
> a database. It's just two php scripts - one for processsing incoming
> mail and another for searching / submitting tickets.
> 
> Mike
> 
> > On May 17, 2007, at 6:26 PM, Michael B Allen wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:10:46 -0400
> > > Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> http://trac.edgewall.org/
> > >
> > > Just looked at it and clearly it's nothing like I described.
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From Consult at CovenantEDesign.com  Thu May 17 19:14:58 2007
From: Consult at CovenantEDesign.com (CED)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:14:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com><20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com><B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com><20070517182618.a1947144.mba2000@ioplex.com><2B461CAA-FE73-46FC-9EF3-E56CA67B554F@jonbaer.com>
	<20070517185650.0f56fa74.mba2000@ioplex.com>
Message-ID: <017e01c798d9$307ad530$07d6f4a7@ced>

E-V-E-N-T-U-M

=D




> 
> Hi Jon,
> 
> Nope. That just converts between emails and trac tickets.
> 
> Let me explain further what I'm interested in. What I want is very
> simple actually. I will no doubt write it myself eventually but I would
> be delighted if someone "stole" my idea (provided I could use it too).
> 
> There would be two ways to submit a ticket. The first method is to simply
> send an email to the support mailbox. The incoming mail component of
> this thing would look at the subject of the message and determine if it
> has a ticket number already. If not, it generates and insert a ticket
> number. For example, if the subject of a message was 'big-time error',
> the incoming mail component would transform this to '[TPF0844812]
> big-time error'. It might also send an automated reply to the sender
> with the ticket number in the subject with instructions that they should
> include that number in any subsequent dialog about the problem.
> 
> There would also be a web interface that used PHP's IMAP interface to
> allow support personnel to search on a ticket number. User's who were
> logged in could also search tickets that contained the user's email
> address.
> 
> Finally, the other way to submit a ticket would be through a simple web
> screen that any visitor could use (of course they could not specify the
> recipient - it would be hard coded to the support mailbox).
> 
> The nice thing about this system is that it can be managed entirely via
> SquirrelMail. Using SquirrelMail you can search the subject line. You
> can change ticket numbers if someone submits additional messages with
> a new ticket number.
> 
> Depending on how you generate the ticket numbers you wouldn't even need
> a database. It's just two php scripts - one for processsing incoming
> mail and another for searching / submitting tickets.
> 
> Mike
> 




From mba2000 at ioplex.com  Thu May 17 19:26:08 2007
From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:26:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <017e01c798d9$307ad530$07d6f4a7@ced>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>
	<20070517182618.a1947144.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<2B461CAA-FE73-46FC-9EF3-E56CA67B554F@jonbaer.com>
	<20070517185650.0f56fa74.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<017e01c798d9$307ad530$07d6f4a7@ced>
Message-ID: <20070517192608.7fd23fda.mba2000@ioplex.com>

Hi CED,

That does look like it's worth a look but it still doesn't look like the
"IMAP server is the ticket database" paradigm I'm talking about. One of
the main benefits of what I'm talking about is that you don't have to use
the application itself - you can just use your regular email. Correct
me if I'm wrong but this looks like you would have to actually log
into eventum to initiate or processes a ticket at some point in it's
lifetime. No?

Mike

On Thu, 17 May 2007 19:14:58 -0400
"CED" <Consult at CovenantEDesign.com> wrote:

> E-V-E-N-T-U-M
> 
> =D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Hi Jon,
> > 
> > Nope. That just converts between emails and trac tickets.
> > 
> > Let me explain further what I'm interested in. What I want is very
> > simple actually. I will no doubt write it myself eventually but I would
> > be delighted if someone "stole" my idea (provided I could use it too).
> > 
> > There would be two ways to submit a ticket. The first method is to simply
> > send an email to the support mailbox. The incoming mail component of
> > this thing would look at the subject of the message and determine if it
> > has a ticket number already. If not, it generates and insert a ticket
> > number. For example, if the subject of a message was 'big-time error',
> > the incoming mail component would transform this to '[TPF0844812]
> > big-time error'. It might also send an automated reply to the sender
> > with the ticket number in the subject with instructions that they should
> > include that number in any subsequent dialog about the problem.
> > 
> > There would also be a web interface that used PHP's IMAP interface to
> > allow support personnel to search on a ticket number. User's who were
> > logged in could also search tickets that contained the user's email
> > address.
> > 
> > Finally, the other way to submit a ticket would be through a simple web
> > screen that any visitor could use (of course they could not specify the
> > recipient - it would be hard coded to the support mailbox).
> > 
> > The nice thing about this system is that it can be managed entirely via
> > SquirrelMail. Using SquirrelMail you can search the subject line. You
> > can change ticket numbers if someone submits additional messages with
> > a new ticket number.
> > 
> > Depending on how you generate the ticket numbers you wouldn't even need
> > a database. It's just two php scripts - one for processsing incoming
> > mail and another for searching / submitting tickets.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From michael.southwell at nyphp.com  Thu May 17 20:39:03 2007
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 20:39:03 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Input whitelist validation warning
In-Reply-To: <C27250E8.459C%cliff@pinestream.com>
References: <C27250E8.459C%cliff@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070517203747.028edbc0@pop.nyphp.com>

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From cliff at pinestream.com  Thu May 17 20:45:52 2007
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 20:45:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Input whitelist validation warning
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20070517203747.028edbc0@pop.nyphp.com>
Message-ID: <C2726F80.45B6%cliff@pinestream.com>

You are right ? I forgot about Chris Snyder?s excellent book.

On 5/17/07 8:39 PM, "Michael Southwell" <michael.southwell at nyphp.com> wrote:

> At 06:35 PM 5/17/2007, you wrote:
>> I just discovered a hole in a white list validation technique I bored from a
>> PHP security book ? no, not Chris? book.
> 
> uhh, there are actually two PHP security books written by someone named Chris.
> I can say that this is not Pro PHP Security by Chris Snyder ;-).
> 
>> Beware in_array($_POST/GET[?input?], $whitelist)
>> 
>> Type matters. All input is string type and PHP will try to force type
>> matching.
>> 
>> So the input string ?securityhole? will match the int number 0.
>> 
>> FYI,
>> Cliff 

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From rolan at omnistep.com  Fri May 18 01:09:06 2007
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 01:09:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
Message-ID: <464D34F2.8090607@omnistep.com>

Michael B Allen wrote:
> There are a LOT of support ticket systems around. You might want to
> checkout freshmeat.net. Unfortunately it seems like no particular one
> ever never suits your needs (which explains why there are so many).
>
> The support ticket system I always wanted was one that just used IMAP
> for everything where the "tickets" where really just emails. So when
> someone searched tickets it really just used IMAP to talk to the local
> IMAP server. Also there would be a mail processing script to identify
> or insert a ticket number in the subject line. Etc. Never found such
> a thing.
>
> Mike
>   

That does sound like a pretty simple solution, and simple elegance is 
usually quite hard to achieve!
What you're asking is not very difficult at all. I would suggest 
configuring a procmail or maildrop (or whatever scripting mail delivery 
agent you use) to feed the message to a php (I'm only saying php because 
this is the php list, but a perl or bash script would be much leaner) 
script which checks and rewrites the subject line. I can see it being 
done with about 20 lines of code.

If you plan to use a consecutive numbering system for the tickets, I 
would also suggest appending a stored hash code to the end of it. 
Without that, pranksters could change their ticket numbers or create 
other ticket numbers injecting garbage in with your legitimate tickets. 
This brings up another interesting question. What are you going to do 
about the incoming flood of tickets selling Viagra, weight loss 
miracles, and stock market tips? :)

~Rolan


From mba2000 at ioplex.com  Fri May 18 02:45:04 2007
From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 02:45:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <464D34F2.8090607@omnistep.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<464D34F2.8090607@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <20070518024504.05346e80.mba2000@ioplex.com>

On Fri, 18 May 2007 01:09:06 -0400
Rolan Yang <rolan at omnistep.com> wrote:

> Michael B Allen wrote:
> > The support ticket system I always wanted was one that just used IMAP
> > for everything where the "tickets" where really just emails.
<snip> 
> This brings up another interesting question. What are you going to do 
> about the incoming flood of tickets selling Viagra, weight loss 
> miracles, and stock market tips? :)

That's no problem. There's a bunch of things you can do. The procmailrc
or the input script could simply pass on anything that doesn't have
at least one of a list of keywords (e.g. the product name). You would
still get the message in the inbox but it wouldn't trigger the ticket
routines. You might get a few false negatives but you're almost guaranteed
to eliminate the spams. You can also whitelist senders you replied to.

Mike

-- 
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PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO
http://www.ioplex.com/


From Consult at CovenantEDesign.com  Fri May 18 07:19:47 2007
From: Consult at CovenantEDesign.com (CED)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:19:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com><20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<464D34F2.8090607@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <005501c7993e$71d9a6e0$07d6f4a7@ced>

Rolan,

Thats a good idea too for a homegrown.

-Ed

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rolan Yang" <rolan at omnistep.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem


> Michael B Allen wrote:
> > There are a LOT of support ticket systems around. You might want to
> > checkout freshmeat.net. Unfortunately it seems like no particular one
> > ever never suits your needs (which explains why there are so many).
> >
> > The support ticket system I always wanted was one that just used IMAP
> > for everything where the "tickets" where really just emails. So when
> > someone searched tickets it really just used IMAP to talk to the local
> > IMAP server. Also there would be a mail processing script to identify
> > or insert a ticket number in the subject line. Etc. Never found such
> > a thing.
> >
> > Mike
> >   
> 
> That does sound like a pretty simple solution, and simple elegance is 
> usually quite hard to achieve!
> What you're asking is not very difficult at all. I would suggest 
> configuring a procmail or maildrop (or whatever scripting mail delivery 
> agent you use) to feed the message to a php (I'm only saying php because 
> this is the php list, but a perl or bash script would be much leaner) 
> script which checks and rewrites the subject line. I can see it being 
> done with about 20 lines of code.
> 
> If you plan to use a consecutive numbering system for the tickets, I 
> would also suggest appending a stored hash code to the end of it. 
> Without that, pranksters could change their ticket numbers or create 
> other ticket numbers injecting garbage in with your legitimate tickets. 
> This brings up another interesting question. What are you going to do 
> about the incoming flood of tickets selling Viagra, weight loss 
> miracles, and stock market tips? :)
> 
> ~Rolan
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From shadab_w at yahoo.co.in  Fri May 18 08:11:40 2007
From: shadab_w at yahoo.co.in (Shadab Wadiwala)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:11:40 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Difference between isset() and empty() .
Message-ID: <173393.46504.qm@web8713.mail.in.yahoo.com>

Hi !!

        I want to know what's the difference between the functions ----
isset() and empty()

        I referred the function reference on php.net, but still couldn't the exact answer to my query.


Shadab .I. Wadiwala
  My homepage:--  http://shadabworld.110mb.com

 			
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From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri May 18 08:22:12 2007
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:22:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Difference between isset() and empty() .
In-Reply-To: <173393.46504.qm@web8713.mail.in.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C27312B4.45E2%cliff@pinestream.com>

See: http://www.php.net/manual/en/types.comparisons.php


On 5/18/07 8:11 AM, "Shadab Wadiwala" <shadab_w at yahoo.co.in> wrote:

> Hi !!
> 
>         I want to know what's the difference between the functions ----
> isset() and empty()
> 
>         I referred the function reference on php.net, but still couldn't the
> exact answer to my query.
> 
> 
> Shadab .I. Wadiwala
>   
> My homepage:--  http://shadabworld.110mb.com <http://shadabworld.110mb.com>
>  

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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri May 18 08:44:17 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:44:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <20070517192608.7fd23fda.mba2000@ioplex.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>
	<20070517182618.a1947144.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<2B461CAA-FE73-46FC-9EF3-E56CA67B554F@jonbaer.com>
	<20070517185650.0f56fa74.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<017e01c798d9$307ad530$07d6f4a7@ced>
	<20070517192608.7fd23fda.mba2000@ioplex.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690705180544i3affdca3rb438ccd37514574d@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/17/07, Michael B Allen <mba2000 at ioplex.com> wrote:
> Hi CED,
>
> That does look like it's worth a look but it still doesn't look like the
> "IMAP server is the ticket database" paradigm I'm talking about. One of
> the main benefits of what I'm talking about is that you don't have to use
> the application itself - you can just use your regular email. Correct
> me if I'm wrong but this looks like you would have to actually log
> into eventum to initiate or processes a ticket at some point in it's
> lifetime. No?
>
> Mike


Mike, build it this weekend, then sell it to Aniesh. ;-)

You're totally right that it's not rocket science. It's much simpler
than any open source project you're likely to run across, because why
would someone bother "open sourcing" something so simple? (tongue
firmly in cheek there)

Aniesh, use IMAP. PHP's support is easy to get, once you figure out
the right way to connect to your choice of server. You can create
folders and move messages around on the server in order to enable
workflows (seen, active, on hold, finished, cancelled). As Mike points
out, whatever web front end you build can be extremely simple, because
you can always perform complex admin stuff on the backend using an
email client.

Remember that in order to stay sane you absolutely MUST put a
top-notch spam filter in front of this thing.

-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From ben at projectskyline.com  Fri May 18 09:51:47 2007
From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyline))
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:51:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] File upload choices
Message-ID: <001201c79953$ae3b5dd0$6b01a8c0@gamebox>

Hello All, 

I'm working on a client spec now and I need to find the best way to allow
a user to upload multiple files at the same time.

What solutions are people happy with? I'm open to using any method to get
this done {flash, js, whatever..}. I'd really like it to take place without refreshing 
the entire page. I'm using JS functions with *ajax* to keep the wizard-like 
part of the application very clean and fun to use.

Thanks!

Ben Sgro, Chief Engineer
ProjectSkyLine - Defining New Horizons
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From apg88zx at gmail.com  Fri May 18 09:51:41 2007
From: apg88zx at gmail.com (Alvaro P.)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:51:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] File upload choices
In-Reply-To: <001201c79953$ae3b5dd0$6b01a8c0@gamebox>
References: <001201c79953$ae3b5dd0$6b01a8c0@gamebox>
Message-ID: <464DAF6D.4030502@gmail.com>

If you use GMail, check how they do their multiple file uploads, I 
believe they keep adding upload fields with the use of javascript.

Alvaro

Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyline) wrote:
> Hello All,
>  
> I'm working on a client spec now and I need to find the best way to allow
> a user to upload multiple files at the same time.
>  
> What solutions are people happy with? I'm open to using any method to get
> this done {flash, js, whatever..}. I'd really like it to take place 
> without refreshing
> the entire page. I'm using JS functions with *ajax* to keep the 
> wizard-like
> part of the application very clean and fun to use.
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> Ben Sgro, Chief Engineer
> ProjectSkyLine - Defining New Horizons
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri May 18 09:57:46 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:57:46 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] File upload choices
In-Reply-To: <001201c79953$ae3b5dd0$6b01a8c0@gamebox>
References: <001201c79953$ae3b5dd0$6b01a8c0@gamebox>
Message-ID: <AB4C8A3F-FEB9-4143-B0EA-7B455AB17300@jonbaer.com>

SWFUpload works pretty well ...

http://swfupload.mammon.se/

- Jon

On May 18, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Ben Sgro ((ProjectSkyline)) wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I'm working on a client spec now and I need to find the best way to  
> allow
> a user to upload multiple files at the same time.
>
> What solutions are people happy with? I'm open to using any method  
> to get
> this done {flash, js, whatever..}. I'd really like it to take place  
> without refreshing
> the entire page. I'm using JS functions with *ajax* to keep the  
> wizard-like
> part of the application very clean and fun to use.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben Sgro, Chief Engineer
> ProjectSkyLine - Defining New Horizons
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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>
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From ben at projectskyline.com  Fri May 18 10:02:24 2007
From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyline))
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:02:24 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] File upload choices
References: <001201c79953$ae3b5dd0$6b01a8c0@gamebox>
	<AB4C8A3F-FEB9-4143-B0EA-7B455AB17300@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <002901c79955$2a52ae40$6b01a8c0@gamebox>

Hello, 

1st glance - very cool.

Thanks.

- Ben
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jon Baer" <jonbaer at jonbaer.com>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] File upload choices


> SWFUpload works pretty well ...
> 
> http://swfupload.mammon.se/
> 
> - Jon
> 
> On May 18, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Ben Sgro ((ProjectSkyline)) wrote:
> 
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I'm working on a client spec now and I need to find the best way to  
>> allow
>> a user to upload multiple files at the same time.
>>
>> What solutions are people happy with? I'm open to using any method  
>> to get
>> this done {flash, js, whatever..}. I'd really like it to take place  
>> without refreshing
>> the entire page. I'm using JS functions with *ajax* to keep the  
>> wizard-like
>> part of the application very clean and fun to use.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Ben Sgro, Chief Engineer
>> ProjectSkyLine - Defining New Horizons
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
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> 
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From ramons at gmx.net  Fri May 18 10:05:32 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:05:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Difference between isset() and empty() .
In-Reply-To: <173393.46504.qm@web8713.mail.in.yahoo.com>
References: <173393.46504.qm@web8713.mail.in.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <464DB2AC.1000901@gmx.net>

Shadab Wadiwala wrote:
> Hi !!
> 
>         I want to know what's the difference between the functions ----
> isset() and empty()
> 
>         I referred the function reference on php.net, but still couldn't 
> the exact answer to my query.
> 
> 
isset() checks if a key exists in a server array such as $_SESSION or 
$_POST regardless of the value, which can be NULL or an empty string. I 
never used empty(), but just by the name of it that function checks if 
the value of a given variable or array key is considered "nothing" for 
the respective variable type.
I always check if something is set in $_SESSION or $_POST (I rarely use 
get) and then go with that value. In case it is not set I either set a 
known good default value or I set a value that is guaranteed to generate 
an obvious error (means a runtime error, crash, or such).

David


From ramons at gmx.net  Fri May 18 10:17:17 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:17:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] File upload choices
In-Reply-To: <001201c79953$ae3b5dd0$6b01a8c0@gamebox>
References: <001201c79953$ae3b5dd0$6b01a8c0@gamebox>
Message-ID: <464DB56D.9080209@gmx.net>

Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyline) wrote:
> Hello All,
>  
> I'm working on a client spec now and I need to find the best way to allow
> a user to upload multiple files at the same time.
>  
> What solutions are people happy with? I'm open to using any method to get
> this done {flash, js, whatever..}. I'd really like it to take place 
> without refreshing
> the entire page. I'm using JS functions with *ajax* to keep the wizard-like
> part of the application very clean and fun to use.
>  
> Thanks!
>  
I just came across this and went the ZIP file route. User creates a ZIP 
archive with any number of files or folders and then uploads that 
archive. I was impressed how easy it was to unzip and get the archive 
contents (after I was told that I have more than a hammer and that not 
everything is a nail). I also like the performance, although I haven't 
crash tested it yet with a huge archive.
The disadvantages are somewhat obvious, the user needs to perform an 
extra step, the upload time can be quite lengthy (script time out, 
although that is easy to address), and the file size can be big (several 
MB, but that is also somewhat easy to address). It also requires a user 
that is capable of using a ZIP tool and locating the resulting file.
The advantage is clearly that it doesn't require any JS, AJAX, Flash or 
whatever else, but works with a plain simple HTML browse box. Also, 
since the archive has a directory you know exactly which files and 
folders you get and where they are located after unpacking. That saved 
me from getting complicated and parsing through a bunch of unknown 
territory. You can also check the contents first and decide if there is 
anything in the archive that is useful for the purpose without handling 
the individual file. Hmmm, I should add this to my project.... In any 
case, this solution doesn't require fancy tools, the code needed is a 
few dozen lines, and all components involved are for free and exist on 
many systems. For what I want and can do this is the best solution.

David


From ntang at communityconnect.com  Fri May 18 10:18:20 2007
From: ntang at communityconnect.com (Nicholas Tang)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:18:20 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <20070518024504.05346e80.mba2000@ioplex.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com><20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com><464D34F2.8090607@omnistep.com>
	<20070518024504.05346e80.mba2000@ioplex.com>
Message-ID: <EE702CA684057843958BF6CE882E910108279C88@cci019.hq.communityconnect.com>

This is a really interesting concept.  How would you deal with a.)
priorities, b.) due dates, c.) simultaneous multiple users, and finally
d.) performance?

(The reason I ask about the last point is because we currently have ~200
non-closed (open, new, stalled, etc.) tickets, some of which have
threads 20+ replies long.  Even with an average of 2 replies per ticket,
that's still 600 emails, which would have to be read in, parsed, and
processed every time a user does anything.  Admittedly for just updating
tickets I'd assume it's ok if there's a delay, but when you're trying to
read through a ticket's history or do some queue management, it sounds
pretty ugly.)

Nicholas

> -----Original Message-----
> That's no problem. There's a bunch of things you can do. The 
> procmailrc or the input script could simply pass on anything 
> that doesn't have at least one of a list of keywords (e.g. 
> the product name). You would still get the message in the 
> inbox but it wouldn't trigger the ticket routines. You might 
> get a few false negatives but you're almost guaranteed to 
> eliminate the spams. You can also whitelist senders you replied to.
> 
> Mike


From dcech at phpwerx.net  Fri May 18 10:20:05 2007
From: dcech at phpwerx.net (Dan Cech)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:20:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Difference between isset() and empty() .
In-Reply-To: <173393.46504.qm@web8713.mail.in.yahoo.com>
References: <173393.46504.qm@web8713.mail.in.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <464DB615.4050007@phpwerx.net>

Shadab Wadiwala wrote:
> Hi !!
> 
>         I want to know what's the difference between the functions ----
> isset() and empty()
> 
>         I referred the function reference on php.net, but still couldn't the exact answer to my query.

Try this page:

http://www.php.net/manual/en/types.comparisons.php

Dan


From ben at projectskyline.com  Fri May 18 10:24:33 2007
From: ben at projectskyline.com (Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyline))
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:24:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] File upload choices
References: <001201c79953$ae3b5dd0$6b01a8c0@gamebox> <464DB56D.9080209@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <003b01c79958$42544820$6b01a8c0@gamebox>

Hello,

David, great points.

The stuff im building utilizes an activeX component to read into .STL 
(cad/cam) files
and actually display a picture of what the part looks like.

That code was written by someone else and Im just piggy backing off the 
modules
ability to draw a 3D image of the .STL file.

The zip is a good idea, its something to ask my client about. Right now,
the need is to allow users to upload multiple files and then display a
picture of what each part looks like. Zip is a good.

Thanks for the thoughts.

- Ben
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Krings" <ramons at gmx.net>
To: "NYPHP Talk" <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] File upload choices


> Ben Sgro (ProjectSkyline) wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>  I'm working on a client spec now and I need to find the best way to 
>> allow
>> a user to upload multiple files at the same time.
>>  What solutions are people happy with? I'm open to using any method to 
>> get
>> this done {flash, js, whatever..}. I'd really like it to take place 
>> without refreshing
>> the entire page. I'm using JS functions with *ajax* to keep the 
>> wizard-like
>> part of the application very clean and fun to use.
>>  Thanks!
>>
> I just came across this and went the ZIP file route. User creates a ZIP 
> archive with any number of files or folders and then uploads that archive. 
> I was impressed how easy it was to unzip and get the archive contents 
> (after I was told that I have more than a hammer and that not everything 
> is a nail). I also like the performance, although I haven't crash tested 
> it yet with a huge archive.
> The disadvantages are somewhat obvious, the user needs to perform an extra 
> step, the upload time can be quite lengthy (script time out, although that 
> is easy to address), and the file size can be big (several MB, but that is 
> also somewhat easy to address). It also requires a user that is capable of 
> using a ZIP tool and locating the resulting file.
> The advantage is clearly that it doesn't require any JS, AJAX, Flash or 
> whatever else, but works with a plain simple HTML browse box. Also, since 
> the archive has a directory you know exactly which files and folders you 
> get and where they are located after unpacking. That saved me from getting 
> complicated and parsing through a bunch of unknown territory. You can also 
> check the contents first and decide if there is anything in the archive 
> that is useful for the purpose without handling the individual file. Hmmm, 
> I should add this to my project.... In any case, this solution doesn't 
> require fancy tools, the code needed is a few dozen lines, and all 
> components involved are for free and exist on many systems. For what I 
> want and can do this is the best solution.
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php 



From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Fri May 18 10:31:53 2007
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:31:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Difference between isset() and empty() .
In-Reply-To: <464DB2AC.1000901@gmx.net>
References: <173393.46504.qm@web8713.mail.in.yahoo.com>
	<464DB2AC.1000901@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <721f1cc50705180731r52d25561n2224574643d99530@mail.gmail.com>

Yes but you certainly can check ANY variable with isset(), not just
superglobal arrays.

In addition to the technical differences between empty() and isset(), I
would add that empty() is quite convenient and under-utilized. Consider

if (isset($_GET['q'] && $_GET['q']) { ........ }

versus

if (!empty($_GET[) { ....... }


empty() also has a cooler, more Zen-like name.


On 5/18/07, David Krings <ramons at gmx.net> wrote:
>
> >
> isset() checks if a key exists in a server array such as $_SESSION or
> $_POST regardless of the value, which can be NULL or an empty string. I
> never used empty(), but just by the name of it that function checks if
> the value of a given variable or array key is considered "nothing" for
> the respective variable type.




-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
In a most delightful way.
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri May 18 10:41:53 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:41:53 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Difference between isset() and empty() .
In-Reply-To: <464DB2AC.1000901@gmx.net>
References: <173393.46504.qm@web8713.mail.in.yahoo.com>
	<464DB2AC.1000901@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <E578F072-D21A-401D-B5C0-B3AD44FD8F54@jonbaer.com>

Example of options, note the empty() when using 0/1:
<?php var_dump(isset($_REQUEST['var'])); var_dump(empty($_REQUEST 
['var'])); var_dump(array_key_exists('var', $_REQUEST));?>

http://localhost/
bool(false) bool(true) bool(false)

http://localhost/?var
bool(true) bool(true) bool(true)

http://localhost/?var=0
bool(true) bool(true) bool(true)

http://localhost/?var=1
bool(true) bool(false) bool(true)

- Jon

On May 18, 2007, at 10:05 AM, David Krings wrote:

> Shadab Wadiwala wrote:
>> Hi !!
>>         I want to know what's the difference between the functions  
>> ----
>> isset() and empty()
>>         I referred the function reference on php.net, but still  
>> couldn't the exact answer to my query.
> isset() checks if a key exists in a server array such as $_SESSION  
> or $_POST regardless of the value, which can be NULL or an empty  
> string. I never used empty(), but just by the name of it that  
> function checks if the value of a given variable or array key is  
> considered "nothing" for the respective variable type.
> I always check if something is set in $_SESSION or $_POST (I rarely  
> use get) and then go with that value. In case it is not set I  
> either set a known good default value or I set a value that is  
> guaranteed to generate an obvious error (means a runtime error,  
> crash, or such).
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From ajai at bitblit.net  Fri May 18 11:01:58 2007
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:01:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0705181101270.10343-100000@bitblit.net>

On Fri, 18 May 2007, Aniesh joseph wrote:

> I want to build a Support Ticket Sytem. I need to register for tickets
> through mail.Two task is :
> 
> 1. Whenever I recieved a mail from the clients, I have to register for a
> ticket.
> 
> 2. Read the contents of the mail.
> 
> I am working on LAMP. How can accomplish the two tasks in a PHP-MYSQL? Can
> someone help me ?

OTRS
(otrs.org)


-- 
Aj.



From ajai at bitblit.net  Fri May 18 11:06:23 2007
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:06:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0705181105020.10343-100000@bitblit.net>

On Thu, 17 May 2007, Jon Baer wrote:

> Im sure either TRAC http://trac.edgewall.org/ or TRAC-HACKS www.trac- 
> hacks.org has it.
> 
> This is a great (and what seems like) defacto ticketing system, I use  
> it all the time and rarely ever work w/o it.  I install it for free @  
> client sites just so I can stay sane on a project.  But I can see it  
> being used as a general ticket system w/ ease

Trac is great for working on a project but it is not a serious 
general-purpose ticketing system. For that, you need to look at more 
hardcore stuff like RT or OTRS (both of which work with email OOTB).


-- 
Aj.



From elizabeth at linuxbox.com  Fri May 18 11:23:06 2007
From: elizabeth at linuxbox.com (elizabeth)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:23:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0705181101270.10343-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0705181101270.10343-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <464DC4DA.2020507@linuxbox.com>

Take a look at dP-helpdesk 
http://linuxbox.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=dotProject+Packages



Ajai Khattri wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2007, Aniesh joseph wrote:
>
>   
>> I want to build a Support Ticket Sytem. I need to register for tickets
>> through mail.Two task is :
>>
>> 1. Whenever I recieved a mail from the clients, I have to register for a
>> ticket.
>>
>> 2. Read the contents of the mail.
>>
>> I am working on LAMP. How can accomplish the two tasks in a PHP-MYSQL? Can
>> someone help me ?
>>     
>
> OTRS
> (otrs.org)
>
>
>   

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From mba2000 at ioplex.com  Fri May 18 11:33:09 2007
From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:33:09 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <EE702CA684057843958BF6CE882E910108279C88@cci019.hq.communityconnect.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<464D34F2.8090607@omnistep.com>
	<20070518024504.05346e80.mba2000@ioplex.com>
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 10:18:20 -0400
"Nicholas Tang" <ntang at communityconnect.com> wrote:

> This is a really interesting concept.  How would you deal with a.)
> priorities, b.) due dates, c.) simultaneous multiple users, and finally
> d.) performance?
> 
> (The reason I ask about the last point is because we currently have ~200
> non-closed (open, new, stalled, etc.) tickets, some of which have
> threads 20+ replies long.  Even with an average of 2 replies per ticket,
> that's still 600 emails, which would have to be read in, parsed, and
> processed every time a user does anything.  Admittedly for just updating
> tickets I'd assume it's ok if there's a delay, but when you're trying to
> read through a ticket's history or do some queue management, it sounds
> pretty ugly.)

Hi Nicholas,

If you want a really sophisticated tracker then this solution would not
be for you.

You could do some of these thing though. You would need an actual database
but considering you need to consistently generate new ticket numbers, you
probably need one anyway. Then you could hang all sorts of ticket metadata
off of that. That information would not be accessible through email
however. There would have to be a separate web screen for that.

I'm sure there are a lot of people doing support entirely through email
right now (we are). So this is a nice gentle step up without changing
the procedures too much. Support personnel can continue to just do
everything with emails (but with an occasional ticket number fixup)
while devs can give interesting things a priority so that it shows up
in some colorful web table with priority, status, SquirrelMail links,
etc.

Than maybe later on when they want something more sophisticated they
upgrade to Eventum or Trac.

Mike

-- 
Michael B Allen
PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO
http://www.ioplex.com/


From mba2000 at ioplex.com  Fri May 18 11:37:39 2007
From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:37:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <b76252690705180544i3affdca3rb438ccd37514574d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>
	<20070517182618.a1947144.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<2B461CAA-FE73-46FC-9EF3-E56CA67B554F@jonbaer.com>
	<20070517185650.0f56fa74.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<017e01c798d9$307ad530$07d6f4a7@ced>
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	<b76252690705180544i3affdca3rb438ccd37514574d@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 08:44:17 -0400
csnyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 5/17/07, Michael B Allen <mba2000 at ioplex.com> wrote:
> > Hi CED,
> >
> > That does look like it's worth a look but it still doesn't look like the
> > "IMAP server is the ticket database" paradigm I'm talking about. One of
> > the main benefits of what I'm talking about is that you don't have to use
> > the application itself - you can just use your regular email. Correct
> > me if I'm wrong but this looks like you would have to actually log
> > into eventum to initiate or processes a ticket at some point in it's
> > lifetime. No?
> >
> > Mike
> 
> 
> Mike, build it this weekend, then sell it to Aniesh. ;-)

Ok, I'm gonna do it!

But not this weekend. And not next weekend. But maybe in June. Almost
definitely this year at least. Probably.

:->

Mike

-- 
Michael B Allen
PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO
http://www.ioplex.com/


From rolan at omnistep.com  Fri May 18 11:40:41 2007
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:40:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <20070518113739.abf68494.mba2000@ioplex.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>	<B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>	<20070517182618.a1947144.mba2000@ioplex.com>	<2B461CAA-FE73-46FC-9EF3-E56CA67B554F@jonbaer.com>	<20070517185650.0f56fa74.mba2000@ioplex.com>	<017e01c798d9$307ad530$07d6f4a7@ced>	<20070517192608.7fd23fda.mba2000@ioplex.com>	<b76252690705180544i3affdca3rb438ccd37514574d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070518113739.abf68494.mba2000@ioplex.com>
Message-ID: <464DC8F9.3070900@omnistep.com>

Michael B Allen wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2007 08:44:17 -0400
> csnyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Mike, build it this weekend, then sell it to Aniesh. ;-)
>>     
>
> Ok, I'm gonna do it!
>
> But not this weekend. And not next weekend. But maybe in June. Almost
> definitely this year at least. Probably.
>
> :->
>
>   

Maybe if you added the task to your ticket system...

~Rolan


From mba2000 at ioplex.com  Fri May 18 12:07:32 2007
From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:07:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <464DC8F9.3070900@omnistep.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<B6F0CB6D-9309-40C7-979E-3F20FF403C6C@jonbaer.com>
	<20070517182618.a1947144.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<2B461CAA-FE73-46FC-9EF3-E56CA67B554F@jonbaer.com>
	<20070517185650.0f56fa74.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<017e01c798d9$307ad530$07d6f4a7@ced>
	<20070517192608.7fd23fda.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<b76252690705180544i3affdca3rb438ccd37514574d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070518113739.abf68494.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<464DC8F9.3070900@omnistep.com>
Message-ID: <20070518120732.6e7082fd.mba2000@ioplex.com>

On Fri, 18 May 2007 11:40:41 -0400
Rolan Yang <rolan at omnistep.com> wrote:

> Michael B Allen wrote:
> > On Fri, 18 May 2007 08:44:17 -0400
> > csnyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> Mike, build it this weekend, then sell it to Aniesh. ;-)
> >>     
> >
> > Ok, I'm gonna do it!
> >
> > But not this weekend. And not next weekend. But maybe in June. Almost
> > definitely this year at least. Probably.
> >
> > :->
> >
> >   
> 
> Maybe if you added the task to your ticket system...

I already did:

$ vi ~/todo
:r!date
oWrite "IMAP server is the ticket database" support ticket system with ...

-- 
Michael B Allen
PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO
http://www.ioplex.com/


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri May 18 12:12:06 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:12:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0705181105020.10343-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0705181105020.10343-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <59EF09E7-B2FA-4611-A9E3-625C525DE3B6@jonbaer.com>

Hmmm ...

Developer needs source control, ticketing, bug tracking and billing  
system all in one :-)

Thanks for the otrs.org link, haven't seen it before ...

- Jon

On May 18, 2007, at 11:06 AM, Ajai Khattri wrote:

> On Thu, 17 May 2007, Jon Baer wrote:
>
>> Im sure either TRAC http://trac.edgewall.org/ or TRAC-HACKS www.trac-
>> hacks.org has it.
>>
>> This is a great (and what seems like) defacto ticketing system, I use
>> it all the time and rarely ever work w/o it.  I install it for free @
>> client sites just so I can stay sane on a project.  But I can see it
>> being used as a general ticket system w/ ease
>
> Trac is great for working on a project but it is not a serious
> general-purpose ticketing system. For that, you need to look at more
> hardcore stuff like RT or OTRS (both of which work with email OOTB).



From ken at secdat.com  Fri May 18 13:17:56 2007
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:17:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Outline of Tuesday's talk
Message-ID: <464DDFC4.1080004@secdat.com>

Yesterday I finalized my outline for the Database talk coming up this 
Tuesday.  I'll post the slides once I have them ready.

1. Pre-relational, eg. COBOL, implementing your own database
2. Arguments over hierarchical, network, and later relational models
3. Relational Revolution, using mathematics to prove a route to a goal:
 
  3a. Edjard Dykstra's contribution
  3b. EF Codd, first order logic
  3c. EF Codd and relational algebra, sets
  3d. EF Codd, self-containment, DDL, DML and system catalogs
  3e. Tangent: Why code generation is so easy with databases
  3f. Tangent, Ken's Law: People work well with tabular data
  3g. Review of a data model as compared to file formats (XML is a file 
format)
  3h. Conclusion: db theorists love relational because it is grounded in 
mathematics, compare objection orientation and procedure programming

4. Shocker: SQL is not relational
  4a.  Bags not sets
  4b.  World banking has not collapsed, non-relational must be somehow ok
  4c.  Dataphor to the rescue

5. Database Design Techniques, normalization, constraints, security, 
(automation if you use Andromeda hint hint)
  5a. first normal form
  5b. second normal form
  5c. third normal form
  5d.  The Primary Key
  5e.  The foreign key
  5f.  Constraints
  5g.  Security
  5h.  Automation (Only in Andromeda AFAIK), or manually with:
  5i.  Triggers
  5j.  Other stuff: stored procedures, indexes

6. Common Flamewars
  6a. E-A-V, recently discussed here
  6b. ORM, database people don't like it.  Don't try to turn an 
apples-bananas situation in apples-apples or bananas-bananas, use each 
tier as intended.
   6c.  Biz rules in application code or db server code?  Will the true 
encapsulation please stand up?

7. Conclusion: TGIFridays, Wings or Stuffed Skins? 

-- 
Kenneth Downs
Secure Data Software, Inc.
www.secdat.com    www.andromeda-project.org
631-689-7200   Fax: 631-689-0527
cell: 631-379-0010



From anieshjoseph at gmail.com  Fri May 18 13:55:49 2007
From: anieshjoseph at gmail.com (Aniesh joseph)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 23:25:49 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Email Piping
Message-ID: <1b3d2fde0705181055w2a79d2bja51dca75fbb58329@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Our hosting server does not support email piping. How can I get mail content
to php script ?

Regards
Aniesh Joseph
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From anthony at adcl.biz  Fri May 18 13:59:27 2007
From: anthony at adcl.biz (Anthony)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:59:27 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Email Piping
References: <1b3d2fde0705181055w2a79d2bja51dca75fbb58329@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901c79976$473b0770$6501a8c0@ADCL1>

You could interact with the mail server directly either using one of the POP3/SMTP classes out there or via raw sockets.

Anthony
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Aniesh joseph 
  To: talk at lists.nyphp.org 
  Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:55 PM
  Subject: [nycphp-talk] Email Piping


  Hello,

  Our hosting server does not support email piping. How can I get mail content to php script ? 

  Regards
  Aniesh Joseph



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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri May 18 16:19:32 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:19:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Input whitelist validation warning
In-Reply-To: <C27250E8.459C%cliff@pinestream.com>
References: <C27250E8.459C%cliff@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690705181319x2817db29j38ead9919c08efb3@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/17/07, Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:
>
>  I just discovered a hole in a white list validation technique I bored from
> a PHP security book ? no, not Chris' book.
>
>  Beware in_array($_POST/GET['input'], $whitelist)
>
>  Type matters. All input is string type and PHP will try to force type
> matching.
>
>  So the input string 'securityhole' will match the int number 0.
>

Hmmm, but it might as well be our book, because I don't immediately
see the problem...

$whitelist = array( 'foo', 'bar', 'baz' );
if ( !in_array( $_POST['input'], $whitelist ) ) {
  exit( "Denied, you cad!" );
}

What is the condition under which that is exploited?

-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/

From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri May 18 16:25:59 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:25:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] File upload choices
In-Reply-To: <AB4C8A3F-FEB9-4143-B0EA-7B455AB17300@jonbaer.com>
References: <001201c79953$ae3b5dd0$6b01a8c0@gamebox>
	<AB4C8A3F-FEB9-4143-B0EA-7B455AB17300@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690705181325t7612d451h237728fc61819bfd@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/18/07, Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com> wrote:
> SWFUpload works pretty well ...
>
> http://swfupload.mammon.se/
>
> - Jon
>

Seconded.

You need to move the uploaded files into more permanent storage with
each backgroup request made by SWFUpload, because PHP will delete the
uploaded files if you don't move them. Store the file's locations in
the user's session.

Then when the containing form is submitted, you can check for any
stored files in $_SESSION and process them all together at once along
with the rest of the form data.

-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri May 18 16:26:34 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:26:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] File upload choices
In-Reply-To: <b76252690705181325t7612d451h237728fc61819bfd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001201c79953$ae3b5dd0$6b01a8c0@gamebox>
	<AB4C8A3F-FEB9-4143-B0EA-7B455AB17300@jonbaer.com>
	<b76252690705181325t7612d451h237728fc61819bfd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690705181326j33dc32cds2b50e720642587f@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/18/07, csnyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
> backgroup

... special way of spelling background.


From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri May 18 16:32:06 2007
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:32:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Input whitelist validation warning
In-Reply-To: <b76252690705181319x2817db29j38ead9919c08efb3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2738586.465E%cliff@pinestream.com>

On 5/18/07 4:19 PM, "csnyder" <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 5/17/07, Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote: > >  I just discovered
> a hole in a white list validation technique I bored from > a PHP security book
> ? no, not Chris' book. > >  Beware in_array($_POST/GET['input'],
> $whitelist) > >  Type matters. All input is string type and PHP will try to
> force type > matching. > >  So the input string 'securityhole' will match the
> int number 0. > Hmmm, but it might as well be our book, because I don't
> immediately see the problem... $whitelist = array( 'foo', 'bar', 'baz' ); if
> ( !in_array( $_POST['input'], $whitelist ) ) {  exit( "Denied, you cad!"
> ); } What is the condition under which that is exploited? -- Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/ 
REFUND!!! The book goes back!

Here?s the condition that caught me:

$whitelist = (0,1);

in_array($_POST[?input?], $whitelist);

Since the values in the whitelist are ints, not strings, in_array attempts
type conversion. In this example, any string that converts to 0 will match.
At this point, since I had a match, I pass the bad input into the depths of
the code....

I should have used: $whitelist = (?0?, ?1?);

For input validation, any value in the whitelist should be a string. As a
quick safety bandaid, I changed my code to only return values from the
whitelist, not the source input.

Cliff
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From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri May 18 16:39:47 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:39:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <20070518113309.ff7bb9ae.mba2000@ioplex.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<464D34F2.8090607@omnistep.com>
	<20070518024504.05346e80.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<EE702CA684057843958BF6CE882E910108279C88@cci019.hq.communityconnect.com>
	<20070518113309.ff7bb9ae.mba2000@ioplex.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690705181339v57eb328am32ba831a8c665926@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 18 May 2007 10:18:20 -0400
> "Nicholas Tang" <ntang at communityconnect.com> wrote:
>
> > This is a really interesting concept.  How would you deal with a.)
> > priorities, b.) due dates, c.) simultaneous multiple users, and finally
> > d.) performance?
>

On 5/18/07, Michael B Allen <mba2000 at ioplex.com> wrote:
>
> You could do some of these thing though. You would need an actual database
> but considering you need to consistently generate new ticket numbers, you
> probably need one anyway. Then you could hang all sorts of ticket metadata
> off of that. That information would not be accessible through email
> however. There would have to be a separate web screen for that.

Each email message has a unique message id. Most modern mail clients
will show you threaded conversations by id, so it wouldn't exactly be
difficult to carry on conversations about tickets using just the IMAP
database. Priority is obvious as well, but due date not so much.

Simultaneous users could be an issue if you scale past 3-5. I always
cringe a bit when I realize I have email clients open to the same
account at work, home, and in two web browsers at once. But I've never
seen them do anything unexpected.

As for performance, how many messages are in your inbox right now?
Apple's Mail.app can search a mailbox with a few thousand messages in
real time, something no web frontend can do.

I'm not saying it's not crazy, but it is fun to think about. Until
someone selects all the tickets and hits 'delete'... :-(

-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri May 18 16:46:39 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:46:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Input whitelist validation warning
In-Reply-To: <C2738586.465E%cliff@pinestream.com>
References: <b76252690705181319x2817db29j38ead9919c08efb3@mail.gmail.com>
	<C2738586.465E%cliff@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690705181346g2b3fec95o1a2d1933f225dc76@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/18/07, Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:

>  REFUND!!! The book goes back!

Damn, no points for honesty in this town.


>  Here's the condition that caught me:
>
>  $whitelist = (0,1);
>
>  in_array($_POST['input'], $whitelist);


Oh yeah, that'll get ya. Same as if ( $_POST['input'] == TRUE )...
lots of funny stories about that one.

I guess the rule of thumb is that you should always be validating
against strings, since that's what you get in the request. Then if you
specifically need the value to be bool, int, or float, cast it as such
post-validation.

Thanks for illustrating!

-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From chsnyder at gmail.com  Fri May 18 16:50:26 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:50:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Email Piping
In-Reply-To: <1b3d2fde0705181055w2a79d2bja51dca75fbb58329@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705181055w2a79d2bja51dca75fbb58329@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690705181350k35f32471oc9df65e6673ac11c@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/18/07, Aniesh joseph <anieshjoseph at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Our hosting server does not support email piping. How can I get mail content
> to php script ?
>
> Regards
> Aniesh Joseph

Pick up the messages from a mailbox in a timely fashion. Then you can
do things like batch-processing and graceful failure / retry.

-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri May 18 16:55:58 2007
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:55:58 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Input whitelist validation warning
In-Reply-To: <b76252690705181346g2b3fec95o1a2d1933f225dc76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2738B1E.4665%cliff@pinestream.com>




On 5/18/07 4:46 PM, "csnyder" <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 5/18/07, Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:
> 
>>  REFUND!!! The book goes back!
> 
> Damn, no points for honesty in this town.
> 
> 
>>  Here's the condition that caught me:
>> 
>>  $whitelist = (0,1);
>> 
>>  in_array($_POST['input'], $whitelist);
> 
> 
> Oh yeah, that'll get ya. Same as if ( $_POST['input'] == TRUE )...
> lots of funny stories about that one.
> 
> I guess the rule of thumb is that you should always be validating
> against strings, since that's what you get in the request. Then if you
> specifically need the value to be bool, int, or float, cast it as such
> post-validation.
> 
> Thanks for illustrating!

Best regards,
Cliff Hirsch, President
______________________________
Pinestream Communications, Inc.
Publisher of Semiconductor Times & Telecom Trends
52 Pine Street, Weston, MA 02493 USA
Tel: 781.647.8800, Fax: 781.647.8825
http://www.pinestream.com




From cliff at pinestream.com  Fri May 18 16:58:05 2007
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:58:05 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Input whitelist validation warning
In-Reply-To: <b76252690705181346g2b3fec95o1a2d1933f225dc76@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2738B9D.4667%cliff@pinestream.com>

On 5/18/07 4:46 PM, "csnyder" <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 5/18/07, Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:
> 
>>  REFUND!!! The book goes back!
> 
> Damn, no points for honesty in this town.

Yeah, but your town has 4.2M women and only 3.8M men.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/17/fashion/17Dating.html?ex=1180152000&en=384
e1ad410bfa16f&ei=5070&emc=eta1




From mba2000 at ioplex.com  Fri May 18 17:18:38 2007
From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:18:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Support Ticket Sytem
In-Reply-To: <b76252690705181339v57eb328am32ba831a8c665926@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1b3d2fde0705171316w7e1bbc17n544226920545fddc@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070517163553.c611a54d.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<464D34F2.8090607@omnistep.com>
	<20070518024504.05346e80.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<EE702CA684057843958BF6CE882E910108279C88@cci019.hq.communityconnect.com>
	<20070518113309.ff7bb9ae.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<b76252690705181339v57eb328am32ba831a8c665926@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070518171838.3aec61d8.mba2000@ioplex.com>

On Fri, 18 May 2007 16:39:47 -0400
csnyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 18 May 2007 10:18:20 -0400
> > "Nicholas Tang" <ntang at communityconnect.com> wrote:
> >
> > > This is a really interesting concept.  How would you deal with a.)
> > > priorities, b.) due dates, c.) simultaneous multiple users, and finally
> > > d.) performance?
> >
> 
> On 5/18/07, Michael B Allen <mba2000 at ioplex.com> wrote:
> >
> > You could do some of these thing though. You would need an actual database
> > but considering you need to consistently generate new ticket numbers, you
> > probably need one anyway. Then you could hang all sorts of ticket metadata
> > off of that. That information would not be accessible through email
> > however. There would have to be a separate web screen for that.
> 
> Each email message has a unique message id. Most modern mail clients
> will show you threaded conversations by id, so it wouldn't exactly be
> difficult to carry on conversations about tickets using just the IMAP
> database. Priority is obvious as well, but due date not so much.
> 
> Simultaneous users could be an issue if you scale past 3-5. I always
> cringe a bit when I realize I have email clients open to the same
> account at work, home, and in two web browsers at once. But I've never
> seen them do anything unexpected.
> 
> As for performance, how many messages are in your inbox right now?
> Apple's Mail.app can search a mailbox with a few thousand messages in
> real time, something no web frontend can do.

Actually SquirrelMail is pretty good at this. I just searched my
Spam folder with 1600 messages in it for the word 'incredible' in the
Subject+Body and got 17 results in less than 5 seconds. I don't know if
it's issuing a server side search command but SquirrelMail and IMAP are
on the same host.

But if you're just searhing for a ticket number you could also limit the
search to the Subject line. And closed tickets could be moved to a
'Closed' folder so the search might also be limited by folder.

Overall I'm not really clear as to why you think performance would
be a problem. There would be nothing happening that you wouldn't do with
a regular mail client and AFAIK IMAP servers are supposed to be able to
handle a large number of users.

> I'm not saying it's not crazy, but it is fun to think about. Until
> someone selects all the tickets and hits 'delete'... :-(

True but I suspect someone could do the same on any ticket system.

Clearly an "IMAP server as the ticket database" ticket system would not
be ideal for everyone. But I think it would be ideal for me since 90%
of the time I would just want to handle tickets as email.

Mike

-- 
Michael B Allen
PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO
http://www.ioplex.com/


From selyah1 at yahoo.com  Fri May 18 19:35:20 2007
From: selyah1 at yahoo.com (selyah)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:35:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Difference between isset() and empty() .
In-Reply-To: <173393.46504.qm@web8713.mail.in.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <843777.71789.qm@web30806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

isset() checks to see if a button was pressed (usually the submit button), and as a result a "TRUE" flag will be "on".  The empty() function means , like it says, if a space is empty, with out a value.........hope that helps

Shadab Wadiwala <shadab_w at yahoo.co.in> wrote: Hi !!

        I want to know what's the difference between the functions ----
isset() and empty()

        I referred the function reference on php.net, but still couldn't the exact answer to my query.


Shadab .I. Wadiwala
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From ramons at gmx.net  Sat May 19 09:05:34 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 09:05:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to MS SharePoint
Message-ID: <464EF61E.2080006@gmx.net>

Hi!

Does anyone know how to or did before connect with an MS SharePoint 
system? I was asked to create some forms using InfoPath, but that app is 
fine for some stand-alone or barely interacting forms. I need way more 
dynamic forms than what I could click together in InfoPath. I don't say 
it is impossible, but using PHP strikes me to be quicker.
The goal is to post resulting documentation (Word documents) to 
SharePoint for as much automation as possible. Is there an easy way or 
do I need to poke around in the MSSQL database?

Any hints are greatly appreciated.


David


From ramons at gmx.net  Sat May 19 09:41:17 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 09:41:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to MS SharePoint
In-Reply-To: <464EF61E.2080006@gmx.net>
References: <464EF61E.2080006@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <464EFE7D.8080305@gmx.net>

Hi!

I forgot.... if there is a suitable SharePoint replacement based on 
PHP/MySQL, that would work as well.

David


From randalrust at gmail.com  Sat May 19 11:16:37 2007
From: randalrust at gmail.com (Randal Rust)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:16:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to MS SharePoint
In-Reply-To: <464EFE7D.8080305@gmx.net>
References: <464EF61E.2080006@gmx.net> <464EFE7D.8080305@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <a9caffe50705190816t25344587lb5cf431dd8d765bd@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/19/07, David Krings <ramons at gmx.net> wrote:

> I forgot.... if there is a suitable SharePoint replacement based on
> PHP/MySQL, that would work as well.

David, I haven't looked at this enough yet [1], but I wanted to share
it with you. I am actualy looking into the same thing. We have a
client that is interested in SharePoint, but there are some members of
their team that are very concerned about vendor lock and any solution
provided by MS.

[1]  http://www.springcm.com/v2/index.php?method=lp&sub=sharepoint01&track=CPC-GOO-070501-03.002.004_CATSHPT_ConShptHelp

-- 
Randal Rust
R.Squared Communications
www.r2communications.com


From ramons at gmx.net  Sat May 19 11:48:37 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:48:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Connecting to MS SharePoint
In-Reply-To: <a9caffe50705190816t25344587lb5cf431dd8d765bd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <464EF61E.2080006@gmx.net> <464EFE7D.8080305@gmx.net>
	<a9caffe50705190816t25344587lb5cf431dd8d765bd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <464F1C55.6010306@gmx.net>

Randal Rust wrote:
> On 5/19/07, David Krings <ramons at gmx.net> wrote:
> 
>> I forgot.... if there is a suitable SharePoint replacement based on
>> PHP/MySQL, that would work as well.
> 
> David, I haven't looked at this enough yet [1], but I wanted to share
> it with you. I am actualy looking into the same thing. We have a
> client that is interested in SharePoint, but there are some members of
> their team that are very concerned about vendor lock and any solution
> provided by MS.
> 
> [1]  
> http://www.springcm.com/v2/index.php?method=lp&sub=sharepoint01&track=CPC-GOO-070501-03.002.004_CATSHPT_ConShptHelp 
> 
> 

Thanks for the pointer, but this is a paid service. I am looking for 
something that I can host myself and expand/customize as desired. We 
currently use MS SharePoint in a pilot project and people like it. I may 
convince management to change to a cost neutral solution if that 
provides for more flexibility. Having this cost point attached to it 
makes this a no go right away.

I was looking at the SharePoint theme for Drupal, but also looked 
briefly at Joomla as a framework and yet have to figure out if PHPNuke 
may be a framework for creating something better suited.

I need to really get some convincing points as our IT is one of these 
shops that have MS-only blinkers on blindly following whatever MS claims 
is the best (typically that technology, that they lambasted a few years 
ago).

David


From cliff at pinestream.com  Sat May 19 16:46:21 2007
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:46:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Config file format and admin suggestions
Message-ID: <C274DA5D.468A%cliff@pinestream.com>

My config files are currently a bunch of define statements. I?m going to
change the format as I rewrite the admin back-end and am looking for
suggestions ? anything from database storge to yaml files.

I?m leaning towards PEAR Config to get me going. It appears to be fairly
flexible, but it doesn?t support yaml or a DB-based container. I?m also
curious about how people go about setting available white list values,
default values, etc. without hardcoding them.

Ideas? Suggestions?

Cliff
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From dell at sala.ca  Sat May 19 18:42:34 2007
From: dell at sala.ca (Dell Sala)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:42:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Config file format and admin suggestions
In-Reply-To: <C274DA5D.468A%cliff@pinestream.com>
References: <C274DA5D.468A%cliff@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <A8183258-320A-4475-B31F-079B26296E93@sala.ca>

On May 19, 2007, at 4:46 PM, Cliff Hirsch wrote:

> My config files are currently a bunch of define statements. I?m  
> going to change the format as I rewrite the admin back-end and am  
> looking for suggestions

ini files aren't bad. nice built-in php support with parse_ini_file()


> I?m also curious about how people go about setting available white  
> list values, default values, etc. without hardcoding them.

For validating and accessing the values I wrap the loaded config data  
in a class. I don't see how you can avoid hardcoding the default  
values or validation rules, except maybe storing those things in  
another config file.

-- Dell




From anieshjoseph at gmail.com  Sat May 19 20:36:34 2007
From: anieshjoseph at gmail.com (Aniesh joseph)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 06:06:34 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Download mail attachment automatically
Message-ID: <1b3d2fde0705191736i4dad5878h65110f03c7516b23@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I need to read the mailbox using php script. I find that it is possible by
IMAP functions. Using IMAP functions I can read header and body of the mail.
But I cannot download attachment.

 I am planning to use cron to check the mailbox and if new mail, then
download the attachment automatically and save the attachment details at
MySql Table. But I do not know how to accomplish this.

I need to download it without any user interaction.

Could you please help me ?


Regards
Aniesh Joseph
PHP Developer
India
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From cliff at pinestream.com  Mon May 21 08:41:06 2007
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:41:06 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Config file format and admin suggestions
In-Reply-To: <A8183258-320A-4475-B31F-079B26296E93@sala.ca>
Message-ID: <C2770BA2.46DB%cliff@pinestream.com>

On 5/19/07 6:42 PM, "Dell Sala" <dell at sala.ca> wrote:

> On May 19, 2007, at 4:46 PM, Cliff Hirsch wrote:
>> My config files are currently a bunch of define statements. I?m
>> going to change the format as I rewrite the admin back-end and am
>> looking for suggestions
> 
> ini files aren't bad. nice built-in php support with parse_ini_file()
> 
>> I?m also curious about how people go about setting available white
>> list values, default values, etc. without hardcoding them.
> 
> For validating and accessing the values I wrap the loaded config data
> in a class. I don't see how you can avoid hardcoding the default
> values or validation rules, except maybe storing those things in
> another config file.
> 
> -- Dell

Ini files are growing on me. Seems easy enough, although extra parsing seems
wasteful versus just using defines or array variables, especially with APC.
Cycles count. I don't want to lose my comments when I write to the file --
hopefully PEAR conf will handle this.

Cliff




From ken at secdat.com  Mon May 21 08:50:48 2007
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:50:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Config file format and admin suggestions
In-Reply-To: <C274DA5D.468A%cliff@pinestream.com>
References: <C274DA5D.468A%cliff@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <465195A8.2030503@secdat.com>

Cliff Hirsch wrote:
> My config files are currently a bunch of define statements. I'm going 
> to change the format as I rewrite the admin back-end and am looking 
> for suggestions --- anything from database storge to yaml files.

Probably the first thing you want to do is break them out.  Database is 
good for things that users (including admins) can change.  If it will 
not be changed by the user, only by the programmer, it is by definition 
code and should be managed with the rest of the code, not in the database.

That being said, I've just gotten into YAML myself for that stuff, and 
like it a lot.  I tend to think of it as associative arrays with less 
typing.  Gives you complete freedom on structure.

The other possibility I have not seen mentioned yet is to type the 
configs directly into associative arrays.  This is a bit of a pain, but 
it does solve all of the parsing problems.

>
> I'm leaning towards PEAR Config to get me going. It appears to be 
> fairly flexible, but it doesn't support yaml or a DB-based container. 
> I'm also curious about how people go about setting available white 
> list values, default values, etc. without hardcoding them.
>
> Ideas? Suggestions?
>
> Cliff
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From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Mon May 21 10:24:56 2007
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:24:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Input whitelist validation warning
In-Reply-To: <C2738B9D.4667%cliff@pinestream.com>
References: <b76252690705181346g2b3fec95o1a2d1933f225dc76@mail.gmail.com>
	<C2738B9D.4667%cliff@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <721f1cc50705210724u19ef7f3ai391c063f574aa399@mail.gmail.com>

Ladies, don't you see that all the hottest men are in front of their
monitors reading talk at nyphp,org? <rimshot/>

On 5/18/07, Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, but your town has 4.2M women and only 3.8M men.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/17/fashion/17Dating.html?ex=1180152000&en=384
> e1ad410bfa16f&ei=5070&emc=eta1
>
>
-- 
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http://davidmintz.org/

Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
In a most delightful way.
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From anieshjoseph at gmail.com  Mon May 21 17:13:28 2007
From: anieshjoseph at gmail.com (Aniesh joseph)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 02:43:28 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] powerpoint to html convertion
Message-ID: <1b3d2fde0705211413tbcb36b0r23d826f358205a1f@mail.gmail.com>

Hello


Do you know how to convert POWERPOINT to HTML using PHP script ?

Regards
Aniesh Joseph
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From cliff at pinestream.com  Tue May 22 10:54:59 2007
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:54:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Amazing application acceleration solution
Message-ID: <20070522145037.M9616@pinestream.com>

This will make you drool if you are frustrated by the spend my time on new
features versus spend my time on performance optimization dilemma.

http://www.strangeloopnetworks.com/

Of course, it's only available for asp.net. I had a briefing with the company
yesterday. The concept is way cool. A drop-in inline appliance that
automatically accelerates an application 10x without any coding changes. Yeah,
sounds like smoke and mirrors or just caching. But its way more than that.
Very cool -- wish they had something like this for php/mysql.

Cliff



From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue May 22 11:03:21 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:03:21 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Amazing application acceleration solution
In-Reply-To: <20070522145037.M9616@pinestream.com>
References: <20070522145037.M9616@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690705220803i60dcdc96x8175b9bcdf20050f@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/22/07, Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:

> sounds like smoke and mirrors or just caching. But its way more than that.

Caching is more effective than smoke or mirrors. But okay, what is it?
Caching + load balancing?
Gzip compression?
Philosopher's stone on-a-chip?


-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From jeff.knight at gmail.com  Tue May 22 11:06:12 2007
From: jeff.knight at gmail.com (Jeff Knight)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:06:12 -0500
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Amazing application acceleration solution
In-Reply-To: <b76252690705220803i60dcdc96x8175b9bcdf20050f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070522145037.M9616@pinestream.com>
	<b76252690705220803i60dcdc96x8175b9bcdf20050f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ca9ba910705220806v248c5f6ar1066b19d1b4df110@mail.gmail.com>

If it is asp.net, my guess is Kool-aid

On 5/22/07, csnyder <chsnyder at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/22/07, Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:
>
> > sounds like smoke and mirrors or just caching. But its way more than that.
>
> Caching is more effective than smoke or mirrors. But okay, what is it?
> Caching + load balancing?
> Gzip compression?
> Philosopher's stone on-a-chip?
>
>
> --
> Chris Snyder
> http://chxo.com/
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From cliff at pinestream.com  Tue May 22 11:11:45 2007
From: cliff at pinestream.com (Cliff Hirsch)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:11:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Amazing application acceleration solution
In-Reply-To: <b76252690705220803i60dcdc96x8175b9bcdf20050f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070522145037.M9616@pinestream.com>
	<b76252690705220803i60dcdc96x8175b9bcdf20050f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070522150711.M17014@pinestream.com>

On Tue, 22 May 2007 11:03:21 -0400, csnyder wrote
> On 5/22/07, Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:
> 
> > sounds like smoke and mirrors or just caching. But its way more than that.
> 
> Caching is more effective than smoke or mirrors. But okay, what is 
> it? Caching + load balancing? Gzip compression? Philosopher's stone 
> on-a-chip?
> 
Yes, yes, yes

It does a whole bunch of things. There is an agent of the asp.net server, so
the appliance can collect a lot of data and set a bunch of things. Apparently,
asp.net includes this monster (like 100Kish) viewset hidden variable in each
page -- sort of a piggish client-side session. The appliance can strip that
out, since its not necessary.

Most asp.net pages are not browse cached either. The appliance can change this
dynamically and intelligently. It can compress where necessary, serve static
content, even figure out what database queries can be cached and tell the
asp.net server to do so since asp.net is tightly integrated with sqlserver.

asp.net assume a dumb programmer, which creates a lot of bloat. The appliance
can intelligently strip a lot of this out.





From chsnyder at gmail.com  Tue May 22 11:51:02 2007
From: chsnyder at gmail.com (csnyder)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:51:02 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Amazing application acceleration solution
In-Reply-To: <20070522150711.M17014@pinestream.com>
References: <20070522145037.M9616@pinestream.com>
	<b76252690705220803i60dcdc96x8175b9bcdf20050f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070522150711.M17014@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <b76252690705220851l304ea269me90ffd1a931bc898@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/22/07, Cliff Hirsch <cliff at pinestream.com> wrote:

> asp.net assume a dumb programmer, which creates a lot of bloat. The appliance
> can intelligently strip a lot of this out.

... so even a robot can write better code than an asp dev?

Okay, it's probably true of the average php or rails app as well.
Certainly an itelligent proxy does wonders for scalability and
security.

-- 
Chris Snyder
http://chxo.com/


From ramons at gmx.net  Tue May 22 12:50:22 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:50:22 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Amazing application acceleration solution
In-Reply-To: <20070522150711.M17014@pinestream.com>
References: <20070522145037.M9616@pinestream.com>	<b76252690705220803i60dcdc96x8175b9bcdf20050f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070522150711.M17014@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <46531F4E.3040406@gmx.net>

Cliff Hirsch wrote:
> Most asp.net pages are not browse cached either. The appliance can change this
> dynamically and intelligently. It can compress where necessary, serve static
> content, even figure out what database queries can be cached and tell the
> asp.net server to do so since asp.net is tightly integrated with sqlserver.

That is why MS planned or still plans to can IIS and integrate it into 
MSSQL. A database engine as a web server....scary.

> asp.net assume a dumb programmer, which creates a lot of bloat. The appliance
> can intelligently strip a lot of this out.
That's why we use PHP and have control on how bloated things get.

David


From shadab_w at yahoo.co.in  Tue May 22 12:50:36 2007
From: shadab_w at yahoo.co.in (Shadab Wadiwala)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:50:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Some feedback about CakePHP ...........
Message-ID: <979249.15159.qm@web8703.mail.in.yahoo.com>

Hi !!
         I am trying my hands upon cakePHP these days.
I wanted to get some feedback about it . I mean what is it's learning curve, where to find its tutorials ( website links which provide free tutorials on cakePHP) etc....


Shadab .I. Wadiwala
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From 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com  Tue May 22 14:49:22 2007
From: 1j0lkq002 at sneakemail.com (inforequest)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:49:22 -0700
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Amazing application acceleration solution
In-Reply-To: <20070522150711.M17014@pinestream.com>
References: <20070522145037.M9616@pinestream.com>	<b76252690705220803i60dcdc96x8175b9bcdf20050f@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070522150711.M17014@pinestream.com>
Message-ID: <17864-85322@sneakemail.com>

Cliff Hirsch cliff-at-pinestream.com |nyphp dev/internal group use| wrote:

> Apparently,asp.net includes this monster (like 100Kish) viewset hidden 
> variable in each
>
>page -- sort of a piggish client-side session. The appliance can strip that
>out, since its not necessary.
>  
>
that is hilarious.



From thenov at gmail.com  Wed May 23 22:46:36 2007
From: thenov at gmail.com (Michael Novak)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:46:36 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shell exec
Message-ID: <b0d1b50705231946x1b2fca6eh18f3a1bca789df80@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
      I am trying to run a foundation tool on os x through the shell
exec script.  It is not working though. I have successfully run other
command line functions and it worked. I then copy and pasted the
command call in the php script into the terminal thinking there could
be a typo but it worked in the terminal.

Is there something I am missing?

Thanks,
Mike


From ajai at bitblit.net  Thu May 24 10:41:12 2007
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:41:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shell exec
In-Reply-To: <b0d1b50705231946x1b2fca6eh18f3a1bca789df80@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0705241039060.31445-100000@bitblit.net>

On Wed, 23 May 2007, Michael Novak wrote:

>       I am trying to run a foundation tool on os x through the shell
> exec script.  It is not working though. I have successfully run other
> command line functions and it worked. I then copy and pasted the
> command call in the php script into the terminal thinking there could
> be a typo but it worked in the terminal.
> 
> Is there something I am missing?

You may recall, that PHP scripts run under the same username as the user 
running the Apache server. So, any scripts you run from a PHP script will 
run as that user and not as you.

Therefore it could be permissions or some other issue that does not allow 
the script to run. You could look through your web server error logs and 
see if any messages are logged there.



-- 
Aj.



From thenov at gmail.com  Thu May 24 10:44:55 2007
From: thenov at gmail.com (Michael Novak)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:44:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shell exec
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0705241039060.31445-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <b0d1b50705231946x1b2fca6eh18f3a1bca789df80@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0705241039060.31445-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <b0d1b50705240744u721b70a6q358676da7ac9e49e@mail.gmail.com>

It could be permissions even though I can run other commands through
the same script?

On 5/24/07, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2007, Michael Novak wrote:
>
> >       I am trying to run a foundation tool on os x through the shell
> > exec script.  It is not working though. I have successfully run other
> > command line functions and it worked. I then copy and pasted the
> > command call in the php script into the terminal thinking there could
> > be a typo but it worked in the terminal.
> >
> > Is there something I am missing?
>
> You may recall, that PHP scripts run under the same username as the user
> running the Apache server. So, any scripts you run from a PHP script will
> run as that user and not as you.
>
> Therefore it could be permissions or some other issue that does not allow
> the script to run. You could look through your web server error logs and
> see if any messages are logged there.
>
>
>
> --
> Aj.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dirn at dirnonline.com  Thu May 24 10:54:15 2007
From: dirn at dirnonline.com (Andy Dirnberger)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:54:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shell exec
In-Reply-To: <b0d1b50705240744u721b70a6q358676da7ac9e49e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b0d1b50705231946x1b2fca6eh18f3a1bca789df80@mail.gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0705241039060.31445-100000@bitblit.net>
	<b0d1b50705240744u721b70a6q358676da7ac9e49e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c79e13$67574bd0$3605e370$@com>

You need to check the execute permissions on the utility you are trying to
run.  The Apache user may have execute permission on the other utilities you
are using and just not the one in question.

-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Novak
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:45 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] shell exec

It could be permissions even though I can run other commands through
the same script?

On 5/24/07, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2007, Michael Novak wrote:
>
> >       I am trying to run a foundation tool on os x through the shell
> > exec script.  It is not working though. I have successfully run other
> > command line functions and it worked. I then copy and pasted the
> > command call in the php script into the terminal thinking there could
> > be a typo but it worked in the terminal.
> >
> > Is there something I am missing?
>
> You may recall, that PHP scripts run under the same username as the user
> running the Apache server. So, any scripts you run from a PHP script will
> run as that user and not as you.
>
> Therefore it could be permissions or some other issue that does not allow
> the script to run. You could look through your web server error logs and
> see if any messages are logged there.
>
>
>
> --
> Aj.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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>
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From thenov at gmail.com  Thu May 24 11:09:23 2007
From: thenov at gmail.com (Michael Novak)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:09:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shell exec
In-Reply-To: <000001c79e13$67574bd0$3605e370$@com>
References: <b0d1b50705231946x1b2fca6eh18f3a1bca789df80@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0705241039060.31445-100000@bitblit.net>
	<b0d1b50705240744u721b70a6q358676da7ac9e49e@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001c79e13$67574bd0$3605e370$@com>
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thanks, where would those permissions live?

-mike

On 5/24/07, Andy Dirnberger <dirn at dirnonline.com> wrote:
> You need to check the execute permissions on the utility you are trying to
> run.  The Apache user may have execute permission on the other utilities you
> are using and just not the one in question.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
> Behalf Of Michael Novak
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:45 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] shell exec
>
> It could be permissions even though I can run other commands through
> the same script?
>
> On 5/24/07, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 May 2007, Michael Novak wrote:
> >
> > >       I am trying to run a foundation tool on os x through the shell
> > > exec script.  It is not working though. I have successfully run other
> > > command line functions and it worked. I then copy and pasted the
> > > command call in the php script into the terminal thinking there could
> > > be a typo but it worked in the terminal.
> > >
> > > Is there something I am missing?
> >
> > You may recall, that PHP scripts run under the same username as the user
> > running the Apache server. So, any scripts you run from a PHP script will
> > run as that user and not as you.
> >
> > Therefore it could be permissions or some other issue that does not allow
> > the script to run. You could look through your web server error logs and
> > see if any messages are logged there.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aj.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> > http://www.nyphpcon.com
> >
> > Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> >
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>


From dirn at dirnonline.com  Thu May 24 11:34:15 2007
From: dirn at dirnonline.com (Andy Dirnberger)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:34:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shell exec
In-Reply-To: <b0d1b50705240809x71ec570ep99485a3ab3ac72f8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b0d1b50705231946x1b2fca6eh18f3a1bca789df80@mail.gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0705241039060.31445-100000@bitblit.net>	<b0d1b50705240744u721b70a6q358676da7ac9e49e@mail.gmail.com>	<000001c79e13$67574bd0$3605e370$@com>
	<b0d1b50705240809x71ec570ep99485a3ab3ac72f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000101c79e19$03238920$096a9b60$@com>

The permissions live on the file (command) itself.  In a *nix environment I
use some variation of "ls -l /path/to/file" to check the permissions.  In
Windows I would right-click on the file and go to Properties->Security.  I'm
not sure the best way to do it in OSX, but I'm sure you can figure that out.


-----Original Message-----
From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On
Behalf Of Michael Novak
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:09 AM
To: NYPHP Talk
Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] shell exec

thanks, where would those permissions live?

-mike

On 5/24/07, Andy Dirnberger <dirn at dirnonline.com> wrote:
> You need to check the execute permissions on the utility you are trying to
> run.  The Apache user may have execute permission on the other utilities
you
> are using and just not the one in question.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
On
> Behalf Of Michael Novak
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:45 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] shell exec
>
> It could be permissions even though I can run other commands through
> the same script?
>
> On 5/24/07, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 May 2007, Michael Novak wrote:
> >
> > >       I am trying to run a foundation tool on os x through the shell
> > > exec script.  It is not working though. I have successfully run other
> > > command line functions and it worked. I then copy and pasted the
> > > command call in the php script into the terminal thinking there could
> > > be a typo but it worked in the terminal.
> > >
> > > Is there something I am missing?
> >
> > You may recall, that PHP scripts run under the same username as the user
> > running the Apache server. So, any scripts you run from a PHP script
will
> > run as that user and not as you.
> >
> > Therefore it could be permissions or some other issue that does not
allow
> > the script to run. You could look through your web server error logs and
> > see if any messages are logged there.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aj.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> > http://www.nyphpcon.com
> >
> > Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> >
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
_______________________________________________
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NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
http://www.nyphpcon.com

Show Your Participation in New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php




From thenov at gmail.com  Thu May 24 11:37:48 2007
From: thenov at gmail.com (Michael Novak)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:37:48 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shell exec
In-Reply-To: <000101c79e19$03238920$096a9b60$@com>
References: <b0d1b50705231946x1b2fca6eh18f3a1bca789df80@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0705241039060.31445-100000@bitblit.net>
	<b0d1b50705240744u721b70a6q358676da7ac9e49e@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001c79e13$67574bd0$3605e370$@com>
	<b0d1b50705240809x71ec570ep99485a3ab3ac72f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<000101c79e19$03238920$096a9b60$@com>
Message-ID: <b0d1b50705240837y5ffa89dcp53674706bda3d3e0@mail.gmail.com>

thanks.... i appreciate the help!

On 5/24/07, Andy Dirnberger <dirn at dirnonline.com> wrote:
>
> The permissions live on the file (command) itself.  In a *nix environment
> I
> use some variation of "ls -l /path/to/file" to check the permissions.  In
> Windows I would right-click on the file and go to
> Properties->Security.  I'm
> not sure the best way to do it in OSX, but I'm sure you can figure that
> out.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Michael Novak
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:09 AM
> To: NYPHP Talk
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] shell exec
>
> thanks, where would those permissions live?
>
> -mike
>
> On 5/24/07, Andy Dirnberger <dirn at dirnonline.com> wrote:
> > You need to check the execute permissions on the utility you are trying
> to
> > run.  The Apache user may have execute permission on the other utilities
> you
> > are using and just not the one in question.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of Michael Novak
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 10:45 AM
> > To: NYPHP Talk
> > Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] shell exec
> >
> > It could be permissions even though I can run other commands through
> > the same script?
> >
> > On 5/24/07, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 23 May 2007, Michael Novak wrote:
> > >
> > > >       I am trying to run a foundation tool on os x through the shell
> > > > exec script.  It is not working though. I have successfully run
> other
> > > > command line functions and it worked. I then copy and pasted the
> > > > command call in the php script into the terminal thinking there
> could
> > > > be a typo but it worked in the terminal.
> > > >
> > > > Is there something I am missing?
> > >
> > > You may recall, that PHP scripts run under the same username as the
> user
> > > running the Apache server. So, any scripts you run from a PHP script
> will
> > > run as that user and not as you.
> > >
> > > Therefore it could be permissions or some other issue that does not
> allow
> > > the script to run. You could look through your web server error logs
> and
> > > see if any messages are logged there.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aj.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> > > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> > >
> > > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> > > http://www.nyphpcon.com
> > >
> > > Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> > > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> > http://www.nyphpcon.com
> >
> > Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> > http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
> >
> > NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> > http://www.nyphpcon.com
> >
> > Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> > http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
> >
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
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>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
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From vtbludgeon at gmail.com  Thu May 24 13:23:14 2007
From: vtbludgeon at gmail.com (David Mintz)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:23:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] building an event manager
Message-ID: <721f1cc50705241023w59c3f390x2752da7754f05073@mail.gmail.com>

Ladies and Gentlemen:

I'm thinking about rolling an event manager and looking at the PEAR Calendar
module. Anybody have any experience with it? I notice that it's in beta and
the last release was November 2005, which makes me wonder if it has a
future.

Moving right along:  how did you NYPHP dawgz put together NYPHP's calendar?
Totally home-grown, or does it rely on any handy libs a person might be able
to use?

Many thanks,

-- 
David Mintz
http://davidmintz.org/

Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
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From rmarscher at beaffinitive.com  Thu May 24 20:19:55 2007
From: rmarscher at beaffinitive.com (Rob Marscher)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:19:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Marketing
In-Reply-To: <A02B023B-CD23-4027-9173-21E7E3046167@jonbaer.com>
References: <A02B023B-CD23-4027-9173-21E7E3046167@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <A6B0A188-B047-4B95-B0AB-EB0397626955@beaffinitive.com>

Sounds like RoR fanboys in action.  I just got my first chance to  
check this list in the last week and those links aren't active  
anymore... Know an alternate way to get to them?

Other than having to type dollar signs all the time, I think php is  
great :)  I like other languages too... some are much prettier... but  
every time I think I'll start a little project using something  
else... I can't think of a really good reason to spend the extra time  
it would take to do something I know I can do in php almost off the  
top of my head.

What about you, Jon?  If you were to start a new project, are there  
reasons you would choose ruby (or python or java or something) over  
php?  Obviously if a project already exists in another language,  
that's a good reason to keep using it.

Later,
Rob

On May 17, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Jon Baer wrote:

> Looks like it needs to kick into overdrive ...
>
> http://aatw.tumblr.com/post/2036104
> http://aatw.tumblr.com/post/2036194
>
> I even saw a "$this->sucks" t-shirt the other day.  What is up with  
> that?
>
> ;-)
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
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>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Thu May 24 21:24:41 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:24:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Marketing
In-Reply-To: <A6B0A188-B047-4B95-B0AB-EB0397626955@beaffinitive.com>
References: <A02B023B-CD23-4027-9173-21E7E3046167@jonbaer.com>
	<A6B0A188-B047-4B95-B0AB-EB0397626955@beaffinitive.com>
Message-ID: <1B044E1C-D070-4A81-BDC1-5B5D6767E410@jonbaer.com>

You can pick them up @ http://www.railsenvy.com

I think it really depends on the job @ hand, an app running under new  
JRuby and a JVM under EC2 cluster is pretty impressive, but that's  
just me.  I guess whatever language runs the looping functions getPaid 
(),payBills() fastest usually wins out these days.

- Jon

On May 24, 2007, at 8:19 PM, Rob Marscher wrote:

> Sounds like RoR fanboys in action.  I just got my first chance to  
> check this list in the last week and those links aren't active  
> anymore... Know an alternate way to get to them?
>
> Other than having to type dollar signs all the time, I think php is  
> great :)  I like other languages too... some are much prettier...  
> but every time I think I'll start a little project using something  
> else... I can't think of a really good reason to spend the extra  
> time it would take to do something I know I can do in php almost  
> off the top of my head.
>
> What about you, Jon?  If you were to start a new project, are there  
> reasons you would choose ruby (or python or java or something) over  
> php?  Obviously if a project already exists in another language,  
> that's a good reason to keep using it.
>
> Later,
> Rob
>
> On May 17, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Jon Baer wrote:
>
>> Looks like it needs to kick into overdrive ...
>>
>> http://aatw.tumblr.com/post/2036104
>> http://aatw.tumblr.com/post/2036194
>>
>> I even saw a "$this->sucks" t-shirt the other day.  What is up  
>> with that?
>>
>> ;-)
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
>> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>>
>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From ajai at bitblit.net  Thu May 24 22:54:59 2007
From: ajai at bitblit.net (Ajai Khattri)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:54:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shell exec
In-Reply-To: <b0d1b50705240809x71ec570ep99485a3ab3ac72f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0705242252530.26191-100000@bitblit.net>

On Thu, 24 May 2007, Michael Novak wrote:

> thanks, where would those permissions live?

What sort of permissions? It kind of depends on what the script is trying 
to do right? Is it opening files? Or is it running system commands? Or is 
it trying to open a network connection? Or listen on a port? Or what?

You should know what your script is trying to do and look in the 
appropriate place.



-- 
Aj.



From thenov at gmail.com  Thu May 24 23:46:32 2007
From: thenov at gmail.com (Michael Novak)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:46:32 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] shell exec
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0705242252530.26191-100000@bitblit.net>
References: <b0d1b50705240809x71ec570ep99485a3ab3ac72f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0705242252530.26191-100000@bitblit.net>
Message-ID: <b0d1b50705242046r1a90029csb5d8e7800820b8fc@mail.gmail.com>

I was able to figure it out.  I had to make that command available to all
users using the unix user groups...
it allowed me to brush up on the good old unix commands!

Thanks for all your help!

-Mike

On 5/24/07, Ajai Khattri <ajai at bitblit.net> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 24 May 2007, Michael Novak wrote:
>
> > thanks, where would those permissions live?
>
> What sort of permissions? It kind of depends on what the script is trying
> to do right? Is it opening files? Or is it running system commands? Or is
> it trying to open a network connection? Or listen on a port? Or what?
>
> You should know what your script is trying to do and look in the
> appropriate place.
>
>
>
> --
> Aj.
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
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>
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From ken at secdat.com  Fri May 25 07:45:17 2007
From: ken at secdat.com (Kenneth Downs)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:45:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Marketing
In-Reply-To: <1B044E1C-D070-4A81-BDC1-5B5D6767E410@jonbaer.com>
References: <A02B023B-CD23-4027-9173-21E7E3046167@jonbaer.com>	<A6B0A188-B047-4B95-B0AB-EB0397626955@beaffinitive.com>
	<1B044E1C-D070-4A81-BDC1-5B5D6767E410@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <4656CC4D.3000102@secdat.com>

It seems the real joke is comparing two languages, which appear to be 
equally expressive.

Jon Baer wrote:
> You can pick them up @ http://www.railsenvy.com
>
> I think it really depends on the job @ hand, an app running under new 
> JRuby and a JVM under EC2 cluster is pretty impressive, but that's 
> just me.  I guess whatever language runs the looping functions 
> getPaid(),payBills() fastest usually wins out these days.
>
> - Jon
>
> On May 24, 2007, at 8:19 PM, Rob Marscher wrote:
>
>> Sounds like RoR fanboys in action.  I just got my first chance to 
>> check this list in the last week and those links aren't active 
>> anymore... Know an alternate way to get to them?
>>
>> Other than having to type dollar signs all the time, I think php is 
>> great :)  I like other languages too... some are much prettier... but 
>> every time I think I'll start a little project using something 
>> else... I can't think of a really good reason to spend the extra time 
>> it would take to do something I know I can do in php almost off the 
>> top of my head.
>>
>> What about you, Jon?  If you were to start a new project, are there 
>> reasons you would choose ruby (or python or java or something) over 
>> php?  Obviously if a project already exists in another language, 
>> that's a good reason to keep using it.
>>
>> Later,
>> Rob
>>
>> On May 17, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Jon Baer wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like it needs to kick into overdrive ...
>>>
>>> http://aatw.tumblr.com/post/2036104
>>> http://aatw.tumblr.com/post/2036194
>>>
>>> I even saw a "$this->sucks" t-shirt the other day.  What is up with 
>>> that?
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>
>>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
>>> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>>>
>>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
>> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>>
>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php


-- 
Kenneth Downs
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From ramons at gmx.net  Fri May 25 10:04:13 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:04:13 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IDE recommendations
Message-ID: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net>

Hi!

Since years I am using Luckasoft's EnginSite PHP Editor as IDE. It works 
well and has many features that more expensive IDEs offer. There is one 
major drawback to this IDE: the implementation of the debugger (PHP dbg) 
is....well....goofy. If I want to debug a series of scripts I have to 
automatically set a breakpoint at the beginning of each script. So when 
I start at login and want to debug something 6 script files down, I have 
to stop and continue six times before I get to the real breakpoint where 
I want to look at things. That is so utterly annoying and Luckasoft is 
kinda unresponsive to this issue that I set out to look for another IDE. 
I really like EnginSite PHP, but when adding a bunch of echos for 
debugging is faster than using a debugger, something's not right.

I looked so far at Zend, but don't get the GUI. It seems to be overly 
complicated. I then tried some of these Eclipse based hodgepodges, but 
they lack a lot of features if I ever can get them to run. And I tried 
NuSphere PHPEd. I like it a lot and consider the Pro version, but I and 
my wallet can't get over the sticker shock of 299$. I'm not saying the 
app isn't worth that, but for a hobbyist with a budget of about 0$ that 
is a bit pricey.

So, the question of the day is: Which other IDEs do you recommend that I 
look at?

Any pointers are welcome.


David


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri May 25 10:23:31 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:23:31 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IDE recommendations
In-Reply-To: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net>
References: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <ACB6F3A1-8BDA-406B-B3D4-D5DF81AB4DF3@jonbaer.com>

Not sure what OS but ... It may or may not work for you, but going  
the reverse route of lightweight editors and FirePHP is a good free  
simple route.  Originally I felt the same that the more tools in an  
IDE the better and was excited about the idea of a DB query tool in  
the IDE but things really slow down after that.

A new OS X editor for PHP that is pretty nice is Coda.  No Windows  
clone yet.

Linkage
http://www.firephp.org/Reference/Documentation/Introduction.htm
http://www.panic.com/coda/

Other lightweights for Win ...
http://www.e-texteditor.com
http://intype.info

It would be nice to see a "How I Work" section on nyphp.org for IDE  
recommendations.  I feel the topic comes up alot w/ good pros and cons.

- Jon

On May 25, 2007, at 10:04 AM, David Krings wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Since years I am using Luckasoft's EnginSite PHP Editor as IDE. It  
> works well and has many features that more expensive IDEs offer.  
> There is one major drawback to this IDE: the implementation of the  
> debugger (PHP dbg) is....well....goofy. If I want to debug a series  
> of scripts I have to automatically set a breakpoint at the  
> beginning of each script. So when I start at login and want to  
> debug something 6 script files down, I have to stop and continue  
> six times before I get to the real breakpoint where I want to look  
> at things. That is so utterly annoying and Luckasoft is kinda  
> unresponsive to this issue that I set out to look for another IDE.  
> I really like EnginSite PHP, but when adding a bunch of echos for  
> debugging is faster than using a debugger, something's not right.
>
> I looked so far at Zend, but don't get the GUI. It seems to be  
> overly complicated. I then tried some of these Eclipse based  
> hodgepodges, but they lack a lot of features if I ever can get them  
> to run. And I tried NuSphere PHPEd. I like it a lot and consider  
> the Pro version, but I and my wallet can't get over the sticker  
> shock of 299$. I'm not saying the app isn't worth that, but for a  
> hobbyist with a budget of about 0$ that is a bit pricey.
>
> So, the question of the day is: Which other IDEs do you recommend  
> that I look at?
>
> Any pointers are welcome.
>
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
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From lists at enobrev.com  Fri May 25 11:50:52 2007
From: lists at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:50:52 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IDE recommendations
In-Reply-To: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net>
References: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <002401c79ee4$79cb57d0$6400a8c0@enobrev>

> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of David Krings

> Subject: [nycphp-talk] IDE recommendations

> I looked so far at Zend, but don't get the GUI. It seems to 
> be overly complicated. I then tried some of these Eclipse 
> based hodgepodges, but they lack a lot of features if I ever 
> can get them to run. And I tried NuSphere PHPEd. I like it a 
> lot and consider the Pro version, but I and my wallet can't 
> get over the sticker shock of 299$. I'm not saying the app 
> isn't worth that, but for a hobbyist with a budget of about 
> 0$ that is a bit pricey.


Have you tried Zend's Eclipse IDE?  I know there's another one out there
which I tried a while ago - unhappily.  Been using PDT for about 6 months
now.  Still a ways to go until 1.0, but I'm a fan.  Especially with the SVN
and Mylar plugins since I use Trac.  The debugger is pretty good (proper
breakpoints - including conditional breakpoints - in the ide), though a bit
slow at times.
http://www.eclipse.org/pdt/index.php

At least you can see their progress in bugzilla, much unlike the zend ide.
Oh, and it's open source, which is always fun.

Still hoping to dive into vi/m some day (beyond the basics).  Seems so
damned powerful if you've the time to beat the learning curve.

Mark



From ramons at gmx.net  Fri May 25 11:57:33 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:57:33 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IDE recommendations
In-Reply-To: <ACB6F3A1-8BDA-406B-B3D4-D5DF81AB4DF3@jonbaer.com>
References: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net>
	<ACB6F3A1-8BDA-406B-B3D4-D5DF81AB4DF3@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <4657076D.9000600@gmx.net>

Jon Baer wrote:
> Not sure what OS but ... It may or may not work for you, but going the 
> reverse route of lightweight editors and FirePHP is a good free simple 
> route.  Originally I felt the same that the more tools in an IDE the 
> better and was excited about the idea of a DB query tool in the IDE but 
> things really slow down after that.

I currently do the development on Windope, but I plan to redistribute 
the usage of my PCs in such a way as that I can reduce the number of 
Windope boxes in favour of (K)Ubuntu. I don't mind either platform, but 
for right now I'd tend towards Windope just to keep the fear of the 
unknown out of the equation.

While I like Luckasoft's MySQL client a lot, I don't need to have it 
integrated into the IDE and do all kinds of stuff. My SQL skills cover 
the basic insert, update, select, and delete queries, so I don't need a 
DB client that is so much smarter than I am. Also, I find that the free 
MySQL tools aren't bad, but a bit clumsy and sometimes a bit broken.
But I do want some project management, a debugger, and a link between 
code word and PHP manual (such as F1 help in Enginsite). Can I do 
without all that, sure, but then I'd use notepad and write perfect 
code...ehem.


> A new OS X editor for PHP that is pretty nice is Coda.  No Windows clone 
> yet.
> 
> Linkage
> http://www.firephp.org/Reference/Documentation/Introduction.htm
> http://www.panic.com/coda/
> 
> Other lightweights for Win ...
> http://www.e-texteditor.com
> http://intype.info

I took FirePHP for a spin and it works, it for sure gives a nice 
overview what is happening on the page, but for me it is like riding a 
bike without training wheels - and yes, I still need those.

> It would be nice to see a "How I Work" section on nyphp.org for IDE 
> recommendations.  I feel the topic comes up alot w/ good pros and cons.
> 
> - Jon
I can wrap up my evaluations / findings in a document. I need to edit it 
  once written as I tend to be very wordy....seems to be a German thing 
that doesn't go well with Americans, see 
http://www.atlantic-times.com/archive_detail.php?recordID=143

David




From lists at enobrev.com  Fri May 25 11:58:23 2007
From: lists at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:58:23 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IDE recommendations
In-Reply-To: <ACB6F3A1-8BDA-406B-B3D4-D5DF81AB4DF3@jonbaer.com>
References: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net>
	<ACB6F3A1-8BDA-406B-B3D4-D5DF81AB4DF3@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <002a01c79ee5$86885710$6400a8c0@enobrev>

> 
> It would be nice to see a "How I Work" section on nyphp.org 
> for IDE recommendations.  I feel the topic comes up alot w/ 
> good pros and cons.
> 
> - Jon

Absolutely agree.  Dev Server Setups (local and remote), Source Control,
Upload / Build Strategies, Bug Tracking, IDEs, Configurations, etc.  Could
be damned useful to compare and contrast methods.

Mark



From agfische at email.smith.edu  Fri May 25 12:04:01 2007
From: agfische at email.smith.edu (Aaron Fischer)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:04:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IDE recommendations
In-Reply-To: <002a01c79ee5$86885710$6400a8c0@enobrev>
References: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net>
	<ACB6F3A1-8BDA-406B-B3D4-D5DF81AB4DF3@jonbaer.com>
	<002a01c79ee5$86885710$6400a8c0@enobrev>
Message-ID: <9CAA97A4-6277-4C9E-828E-EDF810A12C69@email.smith.edu>

+1

That would be a great resource.  Probably be good to standardize to  
require version numbers, date of user post, etc. since features vary  
from version to version.

-Aaron


On May 25, 2007, at 11:58 AM, Mark Armendariz wrote:

>>
>> It would be nice to see a "How I Work" section on nyphp.org
>> for IDE recommendations.  I feel the topic comes up alot w/
>> good pros and cons.
>>
>> - Jon
>
> Absolutely agree.  Dev Server Setups (local and remote), Source  
> Control,
> Upload / Build Strategies, Bug Tracking, IDEs, Configurations,  
> etc.  Could
> be damned useful to compare and contrast methods.
>
> Mark



From lists at enobrev.com  Fri May 25 12:17:12 2007
From: lists at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:17:12 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IDE recommendations
In-Reply-To: <4657076D.9000600@gmx.net>
References: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net><ACB6F3A1-8BDA-406B-B3D4-D5DF81AB4DF3@jonbaer.com>
	<4657076D.9000600@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <002c01c79ee8$27387080$6400a8c0@enobrev>


> 
> I currently do the development on Windope, but I plan to 
> redistribute the usage of my PCs in such a way as that I can 
> reduce the number of Windope boxes in favour of (K)Ubuntu.

Have win32 on my desktop and Ubuntu on my laptop which is why I went after
eclipse, which works pretty much the same cross platform (with some minor
inconsitencies, but nothing memorable thus far)

> But I do want some project management

Eclipse Mylar

> , a debugger

Eclipse PDT

>, and a link 
> between code word and PHP manual

Eclipse PDT: Mouseover for a description or Shift+F2 for the manual (browser
tab in the ide)

Sorry, don't mean to over-sell, but if more people use it I'm hoping it will
make it to 1.0 a little faster.

Mark



From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Fri May 25 12:55:08 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:55:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IDE recommendations
In-Reply-To: <002a01c79ee5$86885710$6400a8c0@enobrev>
References: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net>
	<ACB6F3A1-8BDA-406B-B3D4-D5DF81AB4DF3@jonbaer.com>
	<002a01c79ee5$86885710$6400a8c0@enobrev>
Message-ID: <23722CA0-7D76-4B9D-81DC-B703A828C3B1@jonbaer.com>

You nailed it.  In the past 4 gigs Ive worked @, each had a different  
deployment strategy, each w/ good techniques and a few wtf?

The situation always comes up w/ how to properly work independently w/ 
o a) changing policy and b) with multiple developers and same codebase.

I have to say that Capistrano 2.0 is something to possibly look @  
(even if you don't know Ruby) as it does work extremely well w/ a PHP  
app.

http://www.capify.org
http://www.simplisticcomplexity.com/2006/8/16/automated-php- 
deployment-with-capistrano
http://presentations.jamisbuck.org/railsconf2007/

Im still unsure what a PHP equivalent would be, Phing maybe?

- Jon

On May 25, 2007, at 11:58 AM, Mark Armendariz wrote:

>>
>> It would be nice to see a "How I Work" section on nyphp.org
>> for IDE recommendations.  I feel the topic comes up alot w/
>> good pros and cons.
>>
>> - Jon
>
> Absolutely agree.  Dev Server Setups (local and remote), Source  
> Control,
> Upload / Build Strategies, Bug Tracking, IDEs, Configurations,  
> etc.  Could
> be damned useful to compare and contrast methods.
>
> Mark
>
> _______________________________________________
> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php



From lists at enobrev.com  Fri May 25 13:10:01 2007
From: lists at enobrev.com (Mark Armendariz)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:10:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IDE recommendations
In-Reply-To: <23722CA0-7D76-4B9D-81DC-B703A828C3B1@jonbaer.com>
References: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net><ACB6F3A1-8BDA-406B-B3D4-D5DF81AB4DF3@jonbaer.com><002a01c79ee5$86885710$6400a8c0@enobrev>
	<23722CA0-7D76-4B9D-81DC-B703A828C3B1@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <003c01c79eef$88b78790$6400a8c0@enobrev>

> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:talk-bounces at lists.nyphp.org] On Behalf Of Jon Baer
> The situation always comes up w/ how to properly work 
> independently w/ o a) changing policy and b) with multiple 
> developers and same codebase.

Also how people collaborate with designers (communications, templates, etc),
which comprises the majority of my clients.



From ramons at gmx.net  Fri May 25 14:10:11 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:10:11 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IDE recommendations
In-Reply-To: <002c01c79ee8$27387080$6400a8c0@enobrev>
References: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net><ACB6F3A1-8BDA-406B-B3D4-D5DF81AB4DF3@jonbaer.com>	<4657076D.9000600@gmx.net>
	<002c01c79ee8$27387080$6400a8c0@enobrev>
Message-ID: <46572683.7050906@gmx.net>

Mark Armendariz wrote:
>> But I do want some project management
> Eclipse Mylar
>> , a debugger
> Eclipse PDT
>> , and a link 
>> between code word and PHP manual
> Eclipse PDT: Mouseover for a description or Shift+F2 for the manual (browser
> tab in the ide)
> 
> Sorry, don't mean to over-sell, but if more people use it I'm hoping it will
> make it to 1.0 a little faster.
> 
> Mark


Nah, I think the Eclipse thingie is really slick and I gave PDT a spin 
as well. Of course, I cannot do an in depth analysis in half an hour, 
but since I know what I'm used to, what I want, and what I am looking 
for in an IDE, I get a good first impression.
Unfortunately, PDT is similar to the other PHP solutions bolted onto 
Eclipse. It seems never to work out for me, for example, I couldn't get 
the debugger to work and after reading some docu and googling around I 
already got annoyed. So much for an "out of the box" solution.

I did hear back from Mr. Lucka at Luckasoft and he explained what their 
motivation and plans are. The difference supposedly is between the free 
and commercial version of dbg and Luckasoft doesn't sell enough licenses 
to warrant the investment into the commercial version. Mr. Lucka wrote 
that after three years of selling EnginSite PHP they recovered about 1/3 
of their development expenses. I didn't want to go down the path and 
discuss with him why that most likely happened that way. Luckasoft makes 
  money selling software for product packaging, a PHP IDE is a side 
product that they apparently work on in slow times. Mr. Lucka was so 
nice to point out PHPEdit from WaterProof (www.waterproof.fr). It is 
reasonably priced (80$) and seems to not require the annoying start/stop 
of the debugger at script start. I put it through a quick test and I 
really like it. This is for sure one candidate that offers the features 
I want at a price I am willing to pay. I will compare it against 
NuSphere PHPEd Pro which strikes me a bit overpriced for what it can do.

I'll report back.

David


From greg.rundlett at gmail.com  Fri May 25 22:09:34 2007
From: greg.rundlett at gmail.com (Greg Rundlett)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:09:34 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IDE recommendations
In-Reply-To: <46572683.7050906@gmx.net>
References: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net>
	<ACB6F3A1-8BDA-406B-B3D4-D5DF81AB4DF3@jonbaer.com>
	<4657076D.9000600@gmx.net> <002c01c79ee8$27387080$6400a8c0@enobrev>
	<46572683.7050906@gmx.net>
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For open source on Linux, Quanta is an excellent PHP IDE
http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/

Comes with integrated debugging, structure parsing/browsing, project
management, network transparency through fish:// and even svn
integration, plus all the possibilities in the world to customize it
with custom actions, toolbars and local (integrated) documentation.

Example of customization: I created an action (button on a toolbar) to
convert phpMyAdmin schema export (SQL) into mediawiki+geshi markup
(e.g. ==tablename==<sql>SQL</sql> ) so that I can do a history-diffed,
annotated schema in the wiki

For as long as I've done the web, people invariably ask: What IDE do
you use? What is your toolchain like?  The idea of capturing this
information into an organized discussion of methodology and tools is I
think key to promoting webmastery and apprenticeship.


-- 
A: Yes.
> Q: Are you sure?
>> A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation.
>>> Q: Why is top posting annoying in email?


From patrick at hexane.org  Fri May 25 23:01:37 2007
From: patrick at hexane.org (Patrick May)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:01:37 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] PHP Marketing
In-Reply-To: <1B044E1C-D070-4A81-BDC1-5B5D6767E410@jonbaer.com>
References: <A02B023B-CD23-4027-9173-21E7E3046167@jonbaer.com>
	<A6B0A188-B047-4B95-B0AB-EB0397626955@beaffinitive.com>
	<1B044E1C-D070-4A81-BDC1-5B5D6767E410@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <F746D8DB-4738-4176-98AC-1D0AF8B553F8@hexane.org>

http://www.cafepress.com/apperrorrails

On May 24, 2007, at 9:24 PM, Jon Baer wrote:

> You can pick them up @ http://www.railsenvy.com
>
> I think it really depends on the job @ hand, an app running under  
> new JRuby and a JVM under EC2 cluster is pretty impressive, but  
> that's just me.  I guess whatever language runs the looping  
> functions getPaid(),payBills() fastest usually wins out these days.
>
> - Jon
>
> On May 24, 2007, at 8:19 PM, Rob Marscher wrote:
>
>> Sounds like RoR fanboys in action.  I just got my first chance to  
>> check this list in the last week and those links aren't active  
>> anymore... Know an alternate way to get to them?
>>
>> Other than having to type dollar signs all the time, I think php  
>> is great :)  I like other languages too... some are much  
>> prettier... but every time I think I'll start a little project  
>> using something else... I can't think of a really good reason to  
>> spend the extra time it would take to do something I know I can do  
>> in php almost off the top of my head.
>>
>> What about you, Jon?  If you were to start a new project, are  
>> there reasons you would choose ruby (or python or java or  
>> something) over php?  Obviously if a project already exists in  
>> another language, that's a good reason to keep using it.
>>
>> Later,
>> Rob
>>
>> On May 17, 2007, at 1:05 PM, Jon Baer wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like it needs to kick into overdrive ...
>>>
>>> http://aatw.tumblr.com/post/2036104
>>> http://aatw.tumblr.com/post/2036194
>>>
>>> I even saw a "$this->sucks" t-shirt the other day.  What is up  
>>> with that?
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>>
>>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
>>> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>>>
>>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> New York PHP Community Talk Mailing List
>> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>>
>> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
>> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>>
>> Show Your Participation in New York PHP
>> http://www.nyphp.org/show_participation.php
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
> NYPHPCon 2006 Presentations Online
> http://www.nyphpcon.com
>
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From ramons at gmx.net  Sat May 26 07:30:49 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 07:30:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IDE recommendations
In-Reply-To: <46572683.7050906@gmx.net>
References: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net><ACB6F3A1-8BDA-406B-B3D4-D5DF81AB4DF3@jonbaer.com>	<4657076D.9000600@gmx.net>	<002c01c79ee8$27387080$6400a8c0@enobrev>
	<46572683.7050906@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <46581A69.9090908@gmx.net>

David Krings wrote:
> I did hear back from Mr. Lucka at Luckasoft and he explained what their 
> motivation and plans are. The difference supposedly is between the free 
> and commercial version of dbg and Luckasoft doesn't sell enough licenses 
> to warrant the investment into the commercial version. Mr. Lucka wrote 
> that after three years of selling EnginSite PHP they recovered about 1/3 
> of their development expenses. I didn't want to go down the path and 
> discuss with him why that most likely happened that way. Luckasoft makes 
>  money selling software for product packaging, a PHP IDE is a side 
> product that they apparently work on in slow times. Mr. Lucka was so 
> nice to point out PHPEdit from WaterProof (www.waterproof.fr). It is 
> reasonably priced (80$) and seems to not require the annoying start/stop 
> of the debugger at script start. I put it through a quick test and I 
> really like it. This is for sure one candidate that offers the features 
> I want at a price I am willing to pay. I will compare it against 
> NuSphere PHPEd Pro which strikes me a bit overpriced for what it can do.
> 
> I'll report back.

OK, here is my report back. Generally, NuSphere, WaterProof, and 
Luckasoft have about the same feature set. The big difference is the 
debugger implementation. Luckasoft uses the free dbg, WaterProof uses 
XDebug, and NuSphere the commerical dbg.
XDebug doesn't require stopping at the start of every script, but blows 
up after hitting a rather harmless header("location:.... redirect. I use 
  those all over the place to send the client to different places after 
the user made a decision as to what he/she wants to do.
The only one debugger that doesn't have to run in hiccup mode and 
doesn't get confused by a redirect is the commercial dbg....exclusively 
for NuSphere. :( That may explain the price tag.
WaterProof's PHPEd also comes with a personal license. One can write to 
WaterProof and explain why one needs a PHP IDE for free and depending on 
their good will one gets a personal license for free. Nice move!

So, the conclusion so far is, unless I can come up with the 300$ for 
NuSphere there isn't any reason to change IDEs...at least not on 
Windows. Really disappointing and not because I want a pro IDE for free 
or on the cheap. If I'd have the bucks I'd buy NuSphere in a heartbeat, 
but you know, they don't pay much for a tech writer.Next try is to bug 
the dbg people.


Gee, this rapidly inhales!

David


From ramons at gmx.net  Sat May 26 20:20:14 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 20:20:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] IDE recommendations
In-Reply-To: <46581A69.9090908@gmx.net>
References: <4656ECDD.7030803@gmx.net><ACB6F3A1-8BDA-406B-B3D4-D5DF81AB4DF3@jonbaer.com>	<4657076D.9000600@gmx.net>	<002c01c79ee8$27387080$6400a8c0@enobrev>	<46572683.7050906@gmx.net>
	<46581A69.9090908@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <4658CEBE.70908@gmx.net>

David Krings wrote:
> So, the conclusion so far is, unless I can come up with the 300$ for 
> NuSphere there isn't any reason to change IDEs...at least not on 
> Windows. Really disappointing and not because I want a pro IDE for free 
> or on the cheap. If I'd have the bucks I'd buy NuSphere in a heartbeat, 
> but you know, they don't pay much for a tech writer.Next try is to bug 
> the dbg people.

Turns out the dbg people are NuSphere as it seems. Anyhow, after digging 
around on the NuSphere website I came across the sales page that lists 
quite different prices. They currently have a promo that ends tomorrow 
and anyone evaluating their apps gets a 10% coupon. I then looked deeper 
into the various things that differs in Standard vs. Pro version. I took 
the advice to heart that less is often more and went with the standard 
version that clocks in at 53$ after promo and coupon. That is a fair 
price for a quite nice environment.
I worked with it this afternoon and really like it, especially the 
debugger that works "VisualStudioish". One nice thing is also that if 
the script generates a PHP error it instantly stops the script at the 
offending line and turns into debug mode. That's sweet! The only beef I 
had so far with it is the quite crippled PHP version that comes with it. 
I replaced it with the one from the Luckasoft IDE and only had to change 
the dbg dll entry to match the file name and version.
I save you all the ooohs and aaahs and write it up nicely with a 
comparison between the IDEs I tried and tested with my opinion.


Thanks for all your pointers and hints. Although I didn't go with 
anything that got proposed, I tried most of it and it helped me a great 
deal to separate the lights from the darks and go with something that 
really suits my needs and wallet.


David


From ramons at gmx.net  Sat May 26 20:23:27 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 20:23:27 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SERVER
Message-ID: <4658CF7F.7040102@gmx.net>

Hi!

Every web server generates a different $_SERVER array in PHP. I got 
burnt by it once. I used several keys/values that are present in the 
Luckasoft EnginServer, but not in Apache. I am sure that IIS again has a 
different $_SERVER and the whole picture may look different on Linux or 
Mac OS.

The question of the day is: Which keys/values are guaranteed to be 
present in $_SERVER on all/most of the modern servers?

David


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Sun May 27 11:51:56 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:51:56 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SERVER
In-Reply-To: <4658CF7F.7040102@gmx.net>
References: <4658CF7F.7040102@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <686E14DF-74DF-4CF4-9136-1A7A50733374@jonbaer.com>

 From what I recall this depends on what's thrown into it @ the SAPI  
handler level which you can view via source ...

http://lxr.php.net/source/php-src/sapi/
http://lxr.php.net/source/php-src/sapi/apache2handler/sapi_apache2.c
http://lxr.php.net/source/php-src/sapi/isapi/php5isapi.c

- Jon

On May 26, 2007, at 8:23 PM, David Krings wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Every web server generates a different $_SERVER array in PHP. I got  
> burnt by it once. I used several keys/values that are present in  
> the Luckasoft EnginServer, but not in Apache. I am sure that IIS  
> again has a different $_SERVER and the whole picture may look  
> different on Linux or Mac OS.
>
> The question of the day is: Which keys/values are guaranteed to be  
> present in $_SERVER on all/most of the modern servers?
>
> David
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From nate at cakephp.org  Sun May 27 12:15:15 2007
From: nate at cakephp.org (Nate Abele)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:15:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SERVER
In-Reply-To: <20070527155434.EBC6410A8070@cakephp.org>
References: <20070527155434.EBC6410A8070@cakephp.org>
Message-ID: <85303B62-5A15-46E6-A8E3-708F4E33C67C@cakephp.org>

> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 20:23:27 -0400
> From: David Krings <ramons at gmx.net>
> Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SERVER
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>
> Hi!
>
> Every web server generates a different $_SERVER array in PHP. I got
> burnt by it once. I used several keys/values that are present in the
> Luckasoft EnginServer, but not in Apache. I am sure that IIS again  
> has a
> different $_SERVER and the whole picture may look different on  
> Linux or
> Mac OS.
>
> The question of the day is: Which keys/values are guaranteed to be
> present in $_SERVER on all/most of the modern servers?
>
> David

Hi David,

This may or may not be helpful for your specific situation, but I  
wrote a $_SERVER compatibility layer into Cake in the form of an env 
() function, which you can check out here:

https://trac.cakephp.org/browser/branches/1.2.x.x/cake/basics.php#L978

It's not super-comprehensive, but it covers the basics, and uses  
fallback accessors if the $_SERVER variable is disabled entirely (I  
know Yahoo! does this, as there are some advantages in reduced  
overhead).

- Nate



From ramons at gmx.net  Sun May 27 13:30:45 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 13:30:45 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SERVER
In-Reply-To: <686E14DF-74DF-4CF4-9136-1A7A50733374@jonbaer.com>
References: <4658CF7F.7040102@gmx.net>
	<686E14DF-74DF-4CF4-9136-1A7A50733374@jonbaer.com>
Message-ID: <4659C045.5060306@gmx.net>

Jon Baer wrote:
>  From what I recall this depends on what's thrown into it @ the SAPI 
> handler level which you can view via source ...
> 
> http://lxr.php.net/source/php-src/sapi/
> http://lxr.php.net/source/php-src/sapi/apache2handler/sapi_apache2.c
> http://lxr.php.net/source/php-src/sapi/isapi/php5isapi.c

Thanks, but are you sure about that being a PHP dependent thing? As 
mentioned earlier I walked into the trap with EnginSrv, which is fairly 
similar to IIS. I used the exact same PHP binaries on EnginSrv as well 
as Apache and $_SERVER was different.
And in NuSphere I replaced their stripped down stock PHP version with 
the one from Luckasoft (which comes straight from php.net) and $_SERVER 
is different in each instance using the internal server and different 
again when using Apache.
It seems to be server app dependent and PHP just packages up anything it 
can get into a nice array. Or is that what you wanted to point out? I'm 
not that versed in reading C code. :(

David


From ramons at gmx.net  Sun May 27 13:41:08 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 13:41:08 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SERVER
In-Reply-To: <85303B62-5A15-46E6-A8E3-708F4E33C67C@cakephp.org>
References: <20070527155434.EBC6410A8070@cakephp.org>
	<85303B62-5A15-46E6-A8E3-708F4E33C67C@cakephp.org>
Message-ID: <4659C2B4.4090407@gmx.net>

Nate Abele wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> This may or may not be helpful for your specific situation, but I wrote 
> a $_SERVER compatibility layer into Cake in the form of an env() 
> function, which you can check out here:
> 
> https://trac.cakephp.org/browser/branches/1.2.x.x/cake/basics.php#L978
> 
> It's not super-comprehensive, but it covers the basics, and uses 
> fallback accessors if the $_SERVER variable is disabled entirely (I know 
> Yahoo! does this, as there are some advantages in reduced overhead).

Thank you! This is sweet! Right now I use my script in a 'controlled' 
environment as I am the only one who uses it. I do plan on releasing it 
to the public at some point, especially after adding the modularized 
internationalization and the context sensitive help portion that is 
intended to work with MadCap Flare's WebHelp.
I need to make sure that it likely works on various servers and not only 
on a specific XAMPP version on the first Monday in March if the Friday 
before was full moon and the tide in San Diego is right.
I doubt it will be a big problem, after all there are as many PHP based 
image galleries as lines in Cake's basic.php.

I will need to investigate which keys/values I end up using in $_SERVER. 
Gee, we manage to standardize toilet seats, why not environment variables?

David




From mba2000 at ioplex.com  Sun May 27 17:55:47 2007
From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:55:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How not to save HTML entities to the DB when using
	htmlentities()?
Message-ID: <20070527175547.614a3a34.mba2000@ioplex.com>

Hi List,

I don't do a lot of websites so pardon me if this is a stupid question.

I am using htmlentities($text, ENT_COMPAT, 'UTF-8'); to escape text from
the db to be displayed in form fields. This works fine but when the text
is saved in the database the entities are saved with it.

For example, if the text in the db is 'Mike & Ike', the form field looks like:

<input type='text' name='foo' value='Mike &amp; Ike'/>

This is displayed correctly but when I submit this to the server it is
saved to the database as 'Mike &amp; Ike'. The next time it is output
in HTML I get:

<input type='text' name='foo' value='Mike &amp;amp; Ike'/>

which is, of course, NOT displayed correctly.

How can I protect my pages from script injection and display content in
form fields correctly?

Mike

-- 
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PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO
http://www.ioplex.com/


From rolan at omnistep.com  Sun May 27 18:07:17 2007
From: rolan at omnistep.com (Rolan Yang)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:07:17 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How not to save HTML entities to the DB when using
	htmlentities()?
In-Reply-To: <20070527175547.614a3a34.mba2000@ioplex.com>
References: <20070527175547.614a3a34.mba2000@ioplex.com>
Message-ID: <465A0115.5010406@omnistep.com>

Maybe you're looking for something like:

mysql_query("insert into mytable (`tablekey`,`rowvalue`)
values 
(NULL,'".mysql_real_escape_string(html_entity_decode($datafrompage))."'");

You shouldn't have to do the html_entity_decode though. I think you're 
double converting it somewhere.

~Rolan



Michael B Allen wrote:
> Hi List,
>
> I don't do a lot of websites so pardon me if this is a stupid question.
>
> I am using htmlentities($text, ENT_COMPAT, 'UTF-8'); to escape text from
> the db to be displayed in form fields. This works fine but when the text
> is saved in the database the entities are saved with it.
>
> For example, if the text in the db is 'Mike & Ike', the form field looks like:
>
> <input type='text' name='foo' value='Mike &amp; Ike'/>
>
> This is displayed correctly but when I submit this to the server it is
> saved to the database as 'Mike &amp; Ike'. The next time it is output
> in HTML I get:
>
> <input type='text' name='foo' value='Mike &amp;amp; Ike'/>
>
> which is, of course, NOT displayed correctly.
>
> How can I protect my pages from script injection and display content in
> form fields correctly?
>
> Mike
>
>   


From shiflett at php.net  Sun May 27 18:14:15 2007
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:14:15 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How not to save HTML entities to the DB when using
	htmlentities()?
In-Reply-To: <20070527175547.614a3a34.mba2000@ioplex.com>
References: <20070527175547.614a3a34.mba2000@ioplex.com>
Message-ID: <465A02B7.8030708@php.net>

Michael B Allen wrote:
> I am using htmlentities($text, ENT_COMPAT, 'UTF-8'); to escape text
> from the db to be displayed in form fields. This works fine but when
> the text is saved in the database the entities are saved with it.
> 
> For example, if the text in the db is 'Mike & Ike', the form field
> looks like:
> 
> <input type='text' name='foo' value='Mike &amp; Ike'/>
> 
> This is displayed correctly but when I submit this to the server it
> is saved to the database as 'Mike &amp; Ike'.

This is only true if you escape it again.

Since there is no abomination like magic_quotes_gpc for HTML escaping,
it means you're doing this double escaping yourself, so the problem
should be easy to track down.

Hope that helps.

Chris

-- 
Chris Shiflett
http://shiflett.org/


From michael.southwell at nyphp.com  Sun May 27 19:27:26 2007
From: michael.southwell at nyphp.com (Michael Southwell)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 19:27:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] .htaccess redirect with $_GET
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070527192145.028cf060@mail.optonline.net>

I have been unable to confirm in the Apache docs or elsewhere what 
experience shows, that something in .htaccess like this:
RedirectMatch permanent somefile.htm 
http://example.com/anotherfile.php?variable=something will not work. 
There is of course a certain logic to its not working. Can somebody 
definitively either confirm or deny this?

Michael Southwell, Vice President for Education
New York PHP
http://www.nyphp.com/training - In-depth PHP Training Courses




From mba2000 at ioplex.com  Sun May 27 20:49:18 2007
From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:49:18 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] How not to save HTML entities to the DB when using
	htmlentities()?
In-Reply-To: <465A02B7.8030708@php.net>
References: <20070527175547.614a3a34.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<465A02B7.8030708@php.net>
Message-ID: <20070527204918.caf4da87.mba2000@ioplex.com>

On Sun, 27 May 2007 18:14:15 -0400
Chris Shiflett <shiflett at php.net> wrote:

> Michael B Allen wrote:
> > I am using htmlentities($text, ENT_COMPAT, 'UTF-8'); to escape text
> > from the db to be displayed in form fields. This works fine but when
> > the text is saved in the database the entities are saved with it.
> > 
> > For example, if the text in the db is 'Mike & Ike', the form field
> > looks like:
> > 
> > <input type='text' name='foo' value='Mike &amp; Ike'/>
> > 
> > This is displayed correctly but when I submit this to the server it
> > is saved to the database as 'Mike &amp; Ike'.
> 
> This is only true if you escape it again.
> 
> Since there is no abomination like magic_quotes_gpc for HTML escaping,
> it means you're doing this double escaping yourself, so the problem
> should be easy to track down.
> 
> Hope that helps.

Indeed. I was escaping again in my form field formatting code.

Thanks,
Mike

-- 
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PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO
http://www.ioplex.com/


From nyphp at dynamicink.com  Sun May 27 21:56:38 2007
From: nyphp at dynamicink.com (Dynamic Ink)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:56:38 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Modifying an XML tag name OR cloning an entire node
	including childnodes
Message-ID: <002a01c7a0cb$71e97900$0401a8c0@e6300>

I need to modify an XML tag name and am having quite a few setbacks trying to do it with DOM.

Basically I am trying to turn something like this:

<div>Hello <i>Joe</i>, nice to meet you</div>

into this:

<p>Hello <i>Joe</i>, nice to meet you</p>

I could not figure out any way to change the readonly nodeName property, but I was able to make a new node, insert before the old node and then remove the old node. The problem is that I am populating the value of the new node with the $oldNode->nodeValue property which apparently only includes text, not child nodes, so I end up with:

<p>Hello Joe, nice to meet you</p>

Anyone have any ideas how to get the entire node value including any subnodes that may appear within? Or better yet, how can I just modify an XML tag name and avoid this hassle altogether?
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From ramons at gmx.net  Sun May 27 23:27:40 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 23:27:40 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Modifying an XML tag name OR cloning an entire node
	including childnodes
In-Reply-To: <002a01c7a0cb$71e97900$0401a8c0@e6300>
References: <002a01c7a0cb$71e97900$0401a8c0@e6300>
Message-ID: <465A4C2C.2080504@gmx.net>

Dynamic Ink wrote:
> Basically I am trying to turn something like this:
> <div>Hello <i>Joe</i>, nice to meet you</div>
> into this:
> <p>Hello <i>Joe</i>, nice to meet you</p>

In my naivity I'd propose doing a simple find and replace. After all, 
XML is nothing else than a string or a text file, so replacing the <div> 
with <p> and the </div> with </p> is almost trivial. You can do that 
line by line or for any size portion or even across one or more files.
If it is really only about replacing all instances of one tag with 
another tag then throwing all this complicated stuff at it strikes me as 
a bit of overkill. Chances are that I am missing something here.

David


From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Sun May 27 23:30:26 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 23:30:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SERVER
In-Reply-To: <4659C045.5060306@gmx.net>
References: <4658CF7F.7040102@gmx.net>
	<686E14DF-74DF-4CF4-9136-1A7A50733374@jonbaer.com>
	<4659C045.5060306@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <B72D078D-E52C-41A5-9062-AAC36C01BD7F@jonbaer.com>

Well I remembered it from a PHP internals talk I saw once and the  
same question was asked about how $_* variables are pushed up from  
the server layer.  Although Nate's solution is definitely what you  
want.  It makes sense though as you work up the stack to have common  
variables to depend on even if they need to be set in the environment.

- Jon

On May 27, 2007, at 1:30 PM, David Krings wrote:

> Jon Baer wrote:
>>  From what I recall this depends on what's thrown into it @ the  
>> SAPI handler level which you can view via source ...
>> http://lxr.php.net/source/php-src/sapi/
>> http://lxr.php.net/source/php-src/sapi/apache2handler/sapi_apache2.c
>> http://lxr.php.net/source/php-src/sapi/isapi/php5isapi.c
>
> Thanks, but are you sure about that being a PHP dependent thing? As  
> mentioned earlier I walked into the trap with EnginSrv, which is  
> fairly similar to IIS. I used the exact same PHP binaries on  
> EnginSrv as well as Apache and $_SERVER was different.
> And in NuSphere I replaced their stripped down stock PHP version  
> with the one from Luckasoft (which comes straight from php.net) and  
> $_SERVER is different in each instance using the internal server  
> and different again when using Apache.
> It seems to be server app dependent and PHP just packages up  
> anything it can get into a nice array. Or is that what you wanted  
> to point out? I'm not that versed in reading C code. :(
>
> David
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From jonbaer at jonbaer.com  Sun May 27 23:43:00 2007
From: jonbaer at jonbaer.com (Jon Baer)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 23:43:00 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Modifying an XML tag name OR cloning an entire node
	including childnodes
In-Reply-To: <002a01c7a0cb$71e97900$0401a8c0@e6300>
References: <002a01c7a0cb$71e97900$0401a8c0@e6300>
Message-ID: <CEB61EFE-A241-41EA-8816-CF81815E19C4@jonbaer.com>

Is it something you can do client side?

http://docs.jquery.com/DOM/Manipulation#remove.28_expr_.29

SimpleXML will remove HTML but I think if you wrap w/ CDATA and use  
that instead of text might work?

- Jon

On May 27, 2007, at 9:56 PM, Dynamic Ink wrote:

> I need to modify an XML tag name and am having quite a few setbacks  
> trying to do it with DOM.
>
> Basically I am trying to turn something like this:
>
> <div>Hello <i>Joe</i>, nice to meet you</div>
>
> into this:
>
> <p>Hello <i>Joe</i>, nice to meet you</p>
>
> I could not figure out any way to change the readonly nodeName  
> property, but I was able to make a new node, insert before the old  
> node and then remove the old node. The problem is that I am  
> populating the value of the new node with the $oldNode->nodeValue  
> property which apparently only includes text, not child nodes, so I  
> end up with:
>
> <p>Hello Joe, nice to meet you</p>
>
> Anyone have any ideas how to get the entire node value including  
> any subnodes that may appear within? Or better yet, how can I just  
> modify an XML tag name and avoid this hassle altogether?
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nyphp.org/mailman/listinfo/talk
>
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From mba2000 at ioplex.com  Mon May 28 00:20:01 2007
From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 00:20:01 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Array Reference Strangeness
Message-ID: <20070528002001.79ed2354.mba2000@ioplex.com>

Hey,

I'm having trouble with array references.

Consider the following code:

#!/usr/bin/php -q
<?php
$top = array();

for ($i = 0; $i < 3; $i++) { 
    $arr = array("a$i");
    $top[] = &$arr;
    $arr["key$i"] = "val$i";
}

print_r($top);
?>

I want to be able to update elements in $arr after it has been added to
$top. However, the assignment appears to make a copy (adding elements to
$arr are not in the $arr added to $top). So I thought perhaps I need to
assign $arr to $top by reference with '&'. However this yields strange
behavior. Even though I feel like I'm creating a new $arr with each
iteration of the loop, the reference has not changed in $top. Elements
are updated in $arr within $top but it seems there is only one $arr.

The output shows that the keys and values added are all the same:

$ ./test.php 
Array
(
    [0] => Array
        (
            [0] => a2
            [key2] => val2
        )

    [1] => Array
        (
            [0] => a2
            [key2] => val2
        )

    [2] => Array
        (
            [0] => a2
            [key2] => val2
        )

)

The behavior I want would yield:

Array
(
    [0] => Array
        (
            [0] => a0
            [key0] => val0
        )

    [1] => Array
        (
            [0] => a1
            [key1] => val1
        )

    [2] => Array
        (
            [0] => a2
            [key2] => val2

What's the problem?

Mike

-- 
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PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO
http://www.ioplex.com/


From nyphp at n0p.net  Mon May 28 08:55:39 2007
From: nyphp at n0p.net (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 08:55:39 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Array Reference Strangeness
In-Reply-To: <20070528002001.79ed2354.mba2000@ioplex.com>
References: <20070528002001.79ed2354.mba2000@ioplex.com>
Message-ID: <465AD14B.7020708@n0p.net>

Remember from the php manual: References in php are not like C pointers.
 (they are symbol table aliases)

On 05/28/2007 12:20 AM, Michael B Allen wrote:
<snip>
> for ($i = 0; $i < 3; $i++) {
>     $arr = array("a$i");
>     $top[] = &$arr;
>     $arr["key$i"] = "val$i";
> }
</snip>

So what that is saying is that $arr and $top[n] are both pointing to the
same symbol table (or zval), so each iteration of your loop, you never
/create/ a new zval, in the first line, you (re)assign new data in the
zval which $arr points to. The second line keep pushing another
reference to the same zval.

I usually do all my work to $arr first and then push a *copy* onto top,
however, in order to get the effect of what you wanted "I want to be
able to update elements in $arr after it has been added to $top", you
could do something like assign the value into $top first, and then grab
a reference to that value.

<?php
$top = array();

for ($i = 0; $i < 3; $i++) {
    $top[$i] = array("a$i");
    $arr = &$top[$i];
    $arr["key$i"] = "val$i";
}

print_r($top);


Hope that helps.

flav



From mba2000 at ioplex.com  Mon May 28 10:43:04 2007
From: mba2000 at ioplex.com (Michael B Allen)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:43:04 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Array Reference Strangeness
In-Reply-To: <465AD14B.7020708@n0p.net>
References: <20070528002001.79ed2354.mba2000@ioplex.com>
	<465AD14B.7020708@n0p.net>
Message-ID: <20070528104304.7891c4b9.mba2000@ioplex.com>

On Mon, 28 May 2007 08:55:39 -0400
Flavio daCosta <nyphp at n0p.net> wrote:

> Remember from the php manual: References in php are not like C pointers.
>  (they are symbol table aliases)
> 
> On 05/28/2007 12:20 AM, Michael B Allen wrote:
> <snip>
> > for ($i = 0; $i < 3; $i++) {
        unset($arr);
> >     $arr = array("a$i");
> >     $top[] = &$arr;
> >     $arr["key$i"] = "val$i";
> > }
> </snip>
> 
> So what that is saying is that $arr and $top[n] are both pointing to the
> same symbol table (or zval), so each iteration of your loop, you never
> /create/ a new zval, in the first line, you (re)assign new data in the
> zval which $arr points to. The second line keep pushing another
> reference to the same zval.
> 
> I usually do all my work to $arr first and then push a *copy* onto top,
> however, in order to get the effect of what you wanted "I want to be
> able to update elements in $arr after it has been added to $top", you
> could do something like assign the value into $top first, and then grab
> a reference to that value.

Hi Flavio,

Actually one way that I found that seems to work fine is to simply
unset($arr) at the top of the loop.

Thanks,
Mike

PS: Flavio is a cool name. I envision you as a cross between Flavor Flav
and Fabio (Yhea-boyieeee, I can't believe it's not butter.). Am I right?

:->

-- 
Michael B Allen
PHP Active Directory Kerberos SSO
http://www.ioplex.com/


From nyphp at n0p.net  Mon May 28 12:00:55 2007
From: nyphp at n0p.net (Flavio daCosta)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:00:55 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] OT: Array Reference Strangeness
In-Reply-To: <20070528104304.7891c4b9.mba2000@ioplex.com>
References: <20070528002001.79ed2354.mba2000@ioplex.com>	<465AD14B.7020708@n0p.net>
	<20070528104304.7891c4b9.mba2000@ioplex.com>
Message-ID: <465AFCB7.3070406@n0p.net>

On 05/28/2007 10:43 AM, Michael B Allen wrote:
> PS: Flavio is a cool name. I envision you as a cross between Flavor Flav
> and Fabio (Yhea-boyieeee, I can't believe it's not butter.). Am I right?

Ha, rol. No clock necklaces or romance novel covers in my history, just
a pointy hair php developer ;-P


<http://n0p.net/hackergotchi_flav.png>


From nyphp at dynamicink.com  Mon May 28 14:04:14 2007
From: nyphp at dynamicink.com (Dynamic Ink)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 14:04:14 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Modifying an XML tag name OR cloning an entire
	nodeincluding childnodes
References: <002a01c7a0cb$71e97900$0401a8c0@e6300> <465A4C2C.2080504@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <001e01c7a152$9bf91110$0401a8c0@e6300>

I can do it easily with regex, but the solution needs to be XML and in PHP 
5, so either DOM or SimpleXML. I need to be able to control other aspects of 
the nodes that get modified so using regex will end up yielding a series of 
hacks. Also, I do not have control over the original XML content, so making 
fields CDATA does not appear to be an option. 



From shaijudavis at gmail.com  Mon May 28 14:08:22 2007
From: shaijudavis at gmail.com (shaiju davis)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:38:22 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Warning: Unknown(): Your script possibly
Message-ID: <30ce306c0705281108y34f70ed0l4c6b889a3c3a0084@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm Shaiju Davis a PHP Programmer. When I submit a page I get the following
warning.
Warning: Unknown(): Your script possibly relies on a session side-effect
which existed until PHP 4.2.3. Please be advised that the session extension
does not consider global variables as a source of data, unless register*globals
is enabled. You can disable this functionality and this warning by setting
session.bug*compat*42 or session.bug*compat_warn to off, respectively. in
Unknown on line 0
I'm using PHP Version 4.4.6. If you have any solution to this please update
me.


Thanks &  Regards
Shaiju Davis
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From shiflett at php.net  Mon May 28 14:11:30 2007
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 14:11:30 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Warning: Unknown(): Your script possibly
In-Reply-To: <30ce306c0705281108y34f70ed0l4c6b889a3c3a0084@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30ce306c0705281108y34f70ed0l4c6b889a3c3a0084@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <465B1B52.8050001@php.net>

Shaiju Davis wrote:
> Warning: Unknown(): Your script possibly relies on a session
> side-effect which existed until PHP 4.2.3. Please be advised
> that the session extension does not consider global variables
> as a source of data, unless register/globals is enabled. You
> can disable this functionality and this warning by setting
> session.bug/compat/42 or session.bug/compat_warn to off,
> respectively.

Just use session_start() and the $_SESSION superglobal, then you won't
see this warning.

Chris

-- 
Chris Shiflett
http://shiflett.org/


From shaijudavis at gmail.com  Mon May 28 14:25:58 2007
From: shaijudavis at gmail.com (shaiju davis)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:55:58 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Warning: Unknown(): Your script possibly
In-Reply-To: <465B1B52.8050001@php.net>
References: <30ce306c0705281108y34f70ed0l4c6b889a3c3a0084@mail.gmail.com>
	<465B1B52.8050001@php.net>
Message-ID: <30ce306c0705281125l391a24adme8b69a5af2089917@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris,

  I'm using session_start() and $_SESSION an the register globals off. Then
also I get this warning

Thanks & Regards
Shaiju Davis
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From shiflett at php.net  Mon May 28 14:30:49 2007
From: shiflett at php.net (Chris Shiflett)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 14:30:49 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Warning: Unknown(): Your script possibly
In-Reply-To: <30ce306c0705281125l391a24adme8b69a5af2089917@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30ce306c0705281108y34f70ed0l4c6b889a3c3a0084@mail.gmail.com>	<465B1B52.8050001@php.net>
	<30ce306c0705281125l391a24adme8b69a5af2089917@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <465B1FD9.7050209@php.net>

Shaiju Davis wrote:
> I'm using session_start() and $_SESSION an the register
> globals off. Then also I get this warning.

Can you show us a small example that demonstrates this problem?

Based on the information you've given us, my only guess is that you've
got a naming collision that would have behaved differently in an earlier
version of PHP, and the warning is meant to inform you of this.

Chris

-- 
Chris Shiflett
http://shiflett.org/


From shaijudavis at gmail.com  Mon May 28 15:10:38 2007
From: shaijudavis at gmail.com (shaiju davis)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 00:40:38 +0530
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Warning: Unknown(): Your script possibly
In-Reply-To: <465B1FD9.7050209@php.net>
References: <30ce306c0705281108y34f70ed0l4c6b889a3c3a0084@mail.gmail.com>
	<465B1B52.8050001@php.net>
	<30ce306c0705281125l391a24adme8b69a5af2089917@mail.gmail.com>
	<465B1FD9.7050209@php.net>
Message-ID: <30ce306c0705281210v39e294e5je76518d0aecf4dfd@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris,

 It happens while I edit a page with the server information. It contains
almost 20 fields to submit.
sample code
session_start(); // Starts the session

if(isset($_SESSION['authen']) &&
$_SESSION['authen']=="Ddlj2N3Ko0J32kHm3Gyi") // Check if the user logged in
{
if($_SESSION['Pending Servers_status']==1) //Check whether  the page is
enabled
{
if($_SESSION['pending_access']==1) // Check user access rights
{
 form-data
}}

Thanks & Regards
Shaiju Davis
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From selyah1 at yahoo.com  Mon May 28 16:56:57 2007
From: selyah1 at yahoo.com (selyah)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:56:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nycphp-talk] random image selection
In-Reply-To: <465B1FD9.7050209@php.net>
Message-ID: <275562.15148.qm@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



is there a simple way of selecting random images to be displayed from a library of images.
Thanks
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From Consult at CovenantEDesign.com  Mon May 28 17:16:41 2007
From: Consult at CovenantEDesign.com (CED)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:16:41 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] random image selection
References: <275562.15148.qm@web30801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006001c7a16d$7cc2d900$6401a8c0@ced>

$i = rand( 0, count(imagesArray));
$imagesArray[$i];
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  Subject: [nycphp-talk] random image selection




  is there a simple way of selecting random images to be displayed from a library of images.
  Thanks



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From Consult at CovenantEDesign.com  Mon May 28 17:18:59 2007
From: Consult at CovenantEDesign.com (CED)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:18:59 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] random image selection
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OR

foreach(glob("imageDirectory/*.gif") as $item){
 $sort[] = end(explode('/',$item));
 
 }
$i = rand(0, count($sort);
echo $sort[$i];

HTH,
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Me at EdwardPrevost.info
www.EdwardPrevost.info
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From ramons at gmx.net  Mon May 28 22:11:28 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 22:11:28 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Displaying time and date of the client
Message-ID: <465B8BD0.7020405@gmx.net>

Hi!

After a year on the to do list I finally finished the portion for my 
script that generates a date and time display - of the client time.
It requires that the client accepts a cookie, executes ECMAScript (fka 
JavaScript), and that the client computer time zone is set correctly. 
The client doesn't need to have the correct time, but the server should. 
It should compensate correctly for DST and will also work with the 
'half' time zones such as the one for New Foundland.

I don't know how you all feel about unsolicited code postings, so I 
won't do this right now and ask instead if anyone is interested in this. 
I find it to be quite clever, although the core piece being the client 
side script is from a good soul from the ECLUG list. Unfortunately, I do 
not have the original post anymore, so I cannot nail it down to a 
person. I asked about it over a year ago, if not longer. A few system 
crashes and mail clients later....I guess you know these stories.

David


From tim_lists at o2group.com  Mon May 28 23:23:21 2007
From: tim_lists at o2group.com (Tim Lieberman)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:23:21 -0600
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Displaying time and date of the client
In-Reply-To: <465B8BD0.7020405@gmx.net>
References: <465B8BD0.7020405@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <465B9CA9.1030508@o2group.com>

I'd love to see this.

-Tim

David Krings wrote:
> Hi!
>
> After a year on the to do list I finally finished the portion for my 
> script that generates a date and time display - of the client time.
> It requires that the client accepts a cookie, executes ECMAScript (fka 
> JavaScript), and that the client computer time zone is set correctly. 
> The client doesn't need to have the correct time, but the server 
> should. It should compensate correctly for DST and will also work with 
> the 'half' time zones such as the one for New Foundland.
>
> I don't know how you all feel about unsolicited code postings, so I 
> won't do this right now and ask instead if anyone is interested in 
> this. I find it to be quite clever, although the core piece being the 
> client side script is from a good soul from the ECLUG list. 
> Unfortunately, I do not have the original post anymore, so I cannot 
> nail it down to a person. I asked about it over a year ago, if not 
> longer. A few system crashes and mail clients later....I guess you 
> know these stories.
>
> David
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From nate at cakephp.org  Tue May 29 11:01:47 2007
From: nate at cakephp.org (Nate Abele)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:01:47 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] $_SERVER
In-Reply-To: <20070528032528.1159410A806D@cakephp.org>
References: <20070528032528.1159410A806D@cakephp.org>
Message-ID: <1A710F73-22CE-42FF-8646-235DCE1CDA6A@cakephp.org>

> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 23:30:26 -0400
> From: Jon Baer <jonbaer at jonbaer.com>
> Subject: Re: [nycphp-talk] $_SERVER
> To: NYPHP Talk <talk at lists.nyphp.org>
>
> Well I remembered it from a PHP internals talk I saw once and the
> same question was asked about how $_* variables are pushed up from
> the server layer.  Although Nate's solution is definitely what you
> want.  It makes sense though as you work up the stack to have common
> variables to depend on even if they need to be set in the environment.
>
> - Jon
>
> On May 27, 2007, at 1:30 PM, David Krings wrote:
>
>> Jon Baer wrote:
>>>  From what I recall this depends on what's thrown into it @ the
>>> SAPI handler level which you can view via source ...
>>> http://lxr.php.net/source/php-src/sapi/
>>> http://lxr.php.net/source/php-src/sapi/apache2handler/sapi_apache2.c
>>> http://lxr.php.net/source/php-src/sapi/isapi/php5isapi.c
>>
>> Thanks, but are you sure about that being a PHP dependent thing? As
>> mentioned earlier I walked into the trap with EnginSrv, which is
>> fairly similar to IIS. I used the exact same PHP binaries on
>> EnginSrv as well as Apache and $_SERVER was different.
>> And in NuSphere I replaced their stripped down stock PHP version
>> with the one from Luckasoft (which comes straight from php.net) and
>> $_SERVER is different in each instance using the internal server
>> and different again when using Apache.
>> It seems to be server app dependent and PHP just packages up
>> anything it can get into a nice array. Or is that what you wanted
>> to point out? I'm not that versed in reading C code. :(
>>
>> David

Jon,

Thanks for posting those links, btw.  They'll be of help in emulating  
other environment variables.

- Nate


From ramons at gmx.net  Tue May 29 20:11:26 2007
From: ramons at gmx.net (David Krings)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:11:26 -0400
Subject: [nycphp-talk] Displaying time and date of the client
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c281f4e12f8c@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <465B8BD0.7020405@gmx.net> <p06240801c281f4e12f8c@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <465CC12E.3050905@gmx.net>

Hi!

Here is the script that shows the time of the client system. I added 
quite a bit of commentary to it, so it should be obvious what it does.
I wrapped it into a function, but that is not really necessary.

As mentioned earlier the core piece is the JavaScript, which I did not 
create, but some smart person on the ECLUG mailing list. The rest may be 
trivial to you, but I think it is darn smart and I'm proud of it. :)

Have fun and show your clients that you are ticking right.

David

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