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[Hans Zaunere]

Hi,

> Really guys, what are you talking about? Now you code once and it
> works in all browser, I wish things where this easy 10 years ago!
> Browser improved a lot if you consider standards, compatibility,
> performances and security (less virus, adware)!

I think you raise a good point - there's a difference between quality and
capability.

While the capabilities of browsers have certainly increased as front-end
technologies have matured (Javascript, HTML, CSS of course), the quality of
the browser software itself has suffered.

And David, as you point out - the whole release-early/release-often mantra
is a good one, stemming from open source.  Now, unfortunately, it appears to
have become more of a marketing tool for releasing poor quality software.

H


> On May 11, 2012, at 5:19 PM, David Krings <ramons at gmx.net> wrote:
> 
> > On 5/11/2012 3:36 PM, Hans Zaunere wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> So, in a mix of rant-and-feedback-gathering - is it just me, or have
> >> browsers largely gone downhill in the last few months?
> >>
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > During the past few months? It is like that for quite longer.
> >
> > FF 4 and higher just sucks, the UI is horrible and the switch from 3.6
> to 4 broke a lot of things that are still not fixed....unless you happen
> to know the add-on that unfixes the 'fixes'. I also get the impression
> that the Mozilla folks got way more arrogant. They use to be thankful
> for constructive criticism or had at least a good reason for why things
> are the way they are. Now they ignore any user input and if a response
> comes along it is typically along the lines of "Go away!"
> > You can escape the rapid updating (which Google started with for no
> reason) by installing the FF10 ESR build. That branch is back to the
> old, reasonable update schedule.
> >
> >
> > Chrome is IMHO crap from the start and it did not get any better. Yes,
> it loads pages faster and uses less memory, but it also doesn't do
> anything other than that. I also like some UI with my fat client.
> >
> > IE is very dependent on the local settings, when they are a bit
> harsher than mildly restrictive a lot of things just stop working. It
> also get the impression as if we are back to being forced to IE-only
> development dragging around different code for IE while the typical code
> works just fine everywhere else.
> >
> > Opera is technically nice and can do a lot of things, but I find it
> utterly kludgy to use. Safari is like Chrome, a lot of sauce with not
> much meat.
> >
> >
> > As far as getting things to work the way I want I still have most
> success with FF followed by Chrome. I tend to not try it with Opera and
> IE and Safari are not even considered. I have the luxury to consider it
> the other's loss when they use these browsers and things don't come out
> right. Not everyone is as lucky.
> >
> > Generally, I agree, browsers are heading back to the stone age,
> especially with Flash getting thrown out all over the place. HTML5 isn't
> properly implemented in most browsers and the pieces that are included
> are working differently. The problem is that HTML always only specified
> the markup, but not the display or functionality. It suggests an option,
> but really leaves a lot to interpretation.
> >
> >
> >
> > Just my 2 ct.
> >
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > -- Sent from my desktop PC --
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